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Cortex 0:12 Yeah, I don't know. I guess we just do like a cold start. Hey, it's episode 179 of the metal filter podcast. Welcome to you from me Josh cortex Mullard.

Jessamyn 0:21 And welcome to you from me. Jessamine. That was weird phrasing. Call. Yeah.

Cortex 0:30 Yeah. Thanks for running with my bullshit there. I didn't know what's gonna happen. Maybe this is takes seven? Who knows? Yes, this is here we are. It is. It is the end of November. It is the podcast. And we're doing this thing again, where we talk to each other about metal filter and stuff.

Jessamyn 0:46 Right? Right. Yeah, it's not even like late in the month. And it's not even. It's not even the next month yet. Yeah, just reminds me, maybe I'm gonna be smart. And for the first time in probably 18 months, maybe flipped my calendar on the exact day the calendar is supposed to be flipped.

Cortex 1:03 Have you been doing like ahead of time or No, behind the no,

Jessamyn 1:06 I've been months behind sometimes. Well, it's always got like seasonal birds on it, you know, so I'm just like, oh, shit, like, I'm still looking at the spring bird. And it's like, it's safely autumn now. And it's just, you know, it's it's just an indicator of the weird times we found ourselves in, but I'm really trying, I feel like it's a sign of kind of mental or emotional health, combined with, you know, just the health of the world around me that I can stay on top of it. So

Cortex 1:36 yeah, you know, it's, it's a funny thing. Like, I never really used paper calendars very well. And I use digital calendars slightly better. But like, I feel like one of the weird experiences of having sort of grown up before that was a thing. And now like Google Calendar is like much more sensibly the thing or like shift for people use that is like, you know, I can see what's wrong with both of them. I don't have a solution. But like, I think they both don't do a good enough job. What I what I really want is just like a perfect internal calendar. And that's definitely on your mind. Yeah, in my brain, I want my brain to work. But short of that, like, it's okay, let's use external tools, and

Jessamyn 2:13 works pretty well. And it's a little weird, because of course, as you get older, it works a little less well. And that's normal. And yet it does mean you have to kind of patch it up with other ways of, you know, I set more reminders now than I did like 10 years ago. And the one thing I used to have like a year of a wall calendar, that was one big year, right, because when I used to travel a lot, I would want to know that maybe I had something coming up at the beginning of next month or so. And I can didn't use to do that you'd have to click to the next month to see the next month. But if you're traveling on the first that can make the 30th a little what. But like for, I think last year, maybe was the first year I didn't buy one of those calendars, because I've pretty much switched to the digital calendar. But in an iCal, the Macintosh calendar program, I guess it's called calendar now changed so that it's now just a continuous scroll, you know, like so instead of clicking to December, I scroll to December, and it's actually at the bottom of the November calendar. But what it does is it has the month headings kind of move fluidly up and down. And as a result, sometimes I'm not sure if I'm looking at like December sixth or November 6. Like I'm scrolling, you know, six months ahead or behind and it's just it's a my brain thing. But it's definitely like, man, what I had just a piece of paper on the wall. This was handled.

Cortex 3:49 You know what month it is, you know what month you're looking at spatially? Yeah, and

Jessamyn 3:53 I swear to God, I wouldn't know what day it was if I didn't have like a daily pill container. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which again, fine, but it seems like a slightly sad reason for that, but also kind of a happy reason because like, it means I don't have some dumb job that I don't like that's, you know, outlining, outlining my day.

Cortex 4:14 It is an interesting thing. Like I I can keep track of the days of the week because you know, I have a shift schedule, automatic filter,

Jessamyn 4:22 right? Not a dumb job at all. Sorry, I didn't mean to be No, no, no, no, but

Cortex 4:26 like, no, no, but But no, the concept like like, is is right there. It's like I have I have a job and that keeps me like it's a job with a weekly schedule. So that keeps me moored in the way that I think it was sort of just like we were still doing it the old always on sort of thing. Not so helpful. Like I remember not really having a sense of the day of the week back in 2009. A lot of the time. Yeah, because we were just all I want to say free ball and that's not even the

Jessamyn 4:52 absolute right?

Unknown Speaker 4:55 No, but anyway,

Jessamyn 4:57 well and then I found out Matt took weekends off And then that's when

Cortex 5:01 that's when it all started to change.

Jessamyn 5:04 But yeah, my, you know, Jim has weekends, like real weekends. Yeah, so a lot of my schedule gets a little framed by his schedule, because Monday is a workday for him. Whereas it's not for me. I mean, it is kind of like, I do shit. But like, I do shit on Sundays, too. Yeah, in fact, this morning, my work today was waking up. And there was like, a message and texts on my phone. And I was like, What the fuck What, what? And it was like, some lovely random person who I've worked with in the past, whose computer got packed, or more likely malware. And he was gonna be in my town, like in an hour and was not your route. And, you know, normally I just be like, ah, but like, you know, malwares probably simple for me, tough for him. And literally, all he wanted to do was drop it off. Like he didn't want to hang out or anything. Yeah. So, uh, you know, I got into some clothes that looked like not pajamas. And put on some moisturizer. So I looked like not just woken up, and you know, met him at the door with my mask. And now I have a little windows 10 machine to fuck around with later today.

Cortex 6:13 Yeah, I like in principle, the idea of having sort of like a response driven schedule of like, you know, well, you know, when when I decide something is going to come up, then then, you know, but like, there is a certain amount of stress involved with that, I think, when it's combined with a fixed schedule, like when it's my schedule, and endless because like, like Angela has a steady like, weekly schedule, too. And like our schedules are slightly different, but we've managed to overlap them. Days regular at her job. Yeah, yeah. No, she's working like Tuesday through Saturday, basically. So she's got Sunday, Monday, often I do too. Nice accent really nice. So we mentioned a line those up. But yeah, it's like it's, I like the response, like just sort of responding to things as they come up and the spontaneity in principle, but in practice, like that collides with, like a schedule in a way that's trickier. Sometimes.

Jessamyn 7:07 Yeah, I've got a bunch of like, you know, civic group meetings, which are often kind of in the evenings, which is fine, except when I also have like, a talk to prepare for the next day, or a writing deadline, or whatever the thing is, and like, you know, there are a few like people and things in my life that will take priority over work, but not most of them. And so then I'm like, my writing deadline is usually not a big deal, unless I've got some stupid two and a half hour meeting to figure out if somebody needs to pay their water bill or not. Which is, you know, good work. And I'm happy to do it. But I'm a lot more grumbling about it. If another thing that pays money to do kind of also.

Cortex 7:50 Let's see. So we're, we're on it's been a shorter span again, because we're getting closer. Well, we've successfully gotten to like not we've gotten successfully for the month, boy. Oh, yeah.

Jessamyn 8:04 I was delighted to hear from you. Instead of like, Josh, are you aware of the passing of time? It's a new month.

Cortex 8:12 Yes, yes. No. I've had a slightly more shit together the unusual couple of days in turn. Congratulations.

Jessamyn 8:20 Actually so great. I expect great things from us.

Cortex 8:26 Yes, we're gonna we're gonna fucking knock it out of the park is what we're gonna do.

Jessamyn 8:29 Yeah, see, knock it out of the park. That's a lot better than like free balling.

Cortex 8:34 I don't know. I don't know. I didn't see it. Like I saw Tom Petty reference earlier, it was freefall. And so maybe it was just like jumping around my head and trying to find a way out. Yeah, should we talk about meta filtering, I don't know. Meta filter,

Jessamyn 8:48 join meta filter. I enjoyed meta filter a little bit this morning even and this month, I've been paying more attention, I think than usual, because I've made some posts. And Jim's made some posts. And I'll talk about those as well as some other people

Cortex 9:02 it helps this is this is a thing I will say confidential to our listeners, if you are someone who posts on meta filter sometimes, and sometimes you don't get around to posting on my filter, just make a post on medical turbulence while like just some little thing you liked. And it turns out that like, oh, yeah, then you go read that thread knit like, yeah, these these secret tips from a from a pro person who was on the web, that engagement often involves engagement. This is tautologies one to one with cortex.

Jessamyn 9:30 Engagement equals engagement. Well, yeah. And sometimes what happens to me is, you know, I, a lot of times what happens to me is, you know, I'm reading something or I'm somewhere else on the internet. Like, I saw some post on malt chop about somebody or maybe I made this post over fucksakes. Jessamine, I'm on mug chop. There was a thing about a person who had a medicine cabinet full of fake money. Did you see this? I did. And it's like a way for them to prank like put tend to like they're like a props manager. Yeah, so they've just put 5000 $500,000 in fake money in the medicine cabinet just to fuck with Tinder dates. And so that was funny. But then Archie was like, Oh my God, there's a really interesting story about the history of, of what the laws are governing fake money in the United States. It's weirder than you might think. And I was like, Yeah, what a weird story. I'm going to take it to metta filter. And then I took it to a metal filter. And the double post thing was like, somebody already posted about this in 2014. And I was like, at that's kind of recent. So

Unknown Speaker 10:36 I passed on it, you should have gone for it. That's

Jessamyn 10:39 my page. And I was like, oh, since I'm here, I'm gonna start reading some stuff and had a delightful time.

Cortex 10:45 See, I learned that story. I learned about some of that weirdness. From probably that meta filter posts that feels about the right amount of time that it feels like it's been, which Yeah, I had no idea and well, you should you should toss it in like, you know, toss it in the postman? Yeah, yeah. Well,

Jessamyn 11:03 yeah, well, was it because like, yeah, 14? Yeah, it was actually Oh, that's nice. Cuz I just make some of the stuff up, cuz I figured nobody's gonna check. But like, it was actually last year or something. But yeah, I know, the fraud business of making fake money for movies and TV a crisis. Tom? Chris. Chris. Awesome. Thank you. Yes, they're post and very interesting. And the thread was really kind of fun.

Cortex 11:28 Yeah. No, I remember being like I had no idea about at the time. Like, if you're listening, go go read the post. It's interesting. But the short version is basically for anti counterfeiting reasons. In particular, there's a great deal of regulation on stuff that looks a lot like money, but isn't, because that is also known as counterfeit money. And so owning or moving or distributing fake cash is really, really tricky. If you don't want to accidentally go up on federal charges.

Jessamyn 11:57 Yeah. And they talk in the article that's linked here about, you know, before stuff was regulated, here's wave stuff went poorly with fake money. Here's ways stuff went poorly with real money. And, you know, the different the different ways people tried to manage that. Yeah, that, Nick, and it's, it's so interesting, because a lot of the sort of counterfeit II stuff isn't people trying to pass a 20 at the local supermarket, it's somebody taking you know, a stack of 20s to a different country and exchanging it because people know less what an American 20 Looks like, I'd be hard pressed to tell you what an American 20 looks like. Like, specifically enough to tell it from another one. You know what I mean? Like, my childhood 20s I could tell because I'm more familiar with them, but like, they keep fucking around with new ones. Not sure I know what it looks like anymore. Especially 100. Which I don't see that often.

Cortex 12:54 It'd be interesting to see a like web based sort of quiz on like, you know, spotting right?

Jessamyn 13:00 Is this such one of it? Well, cuz they were making the

Unknown Speaker 13:04 getting up on for now I'm sure they were like nobody

Jessamyn 13:07 was nobody would confuse this counterfeit money with real money. It says in dog we trust on it. What the fuck, but like, you know, the Secret Service was like, No, can't No, you can't have that cancels. Very, very interesting. So I guess that's the my opener is this post from 2014 that I wish I'd been making last week.

Cortex 13:29 I genuinely enjoy those moments, honestly. Like, that whole like, like, it's you want to have been the person to post it. But also, like, the fact that has been posted is like such a validation of your instinct. Like, okay, well, you know, I was right. I wasn't first, but I was right.

Jessamyn 13:44 Well, and the problem that I'm having right now is that I'm reading an absolutely fascinating book. It's you Have you read any of Mary roaches books, she wrote, the conch and a whole bunch of like, single word titles about getting interested in Topic stiff is all about the curious life of human cadavers. Bonk is about sex researchers sex and sex researchers. And I'm reading one called fuzz. Do you want to guess?

Cortex 14:10 Is it about the history of policing?

Jessamyn 14:13 Kind of, it's a double meaning. You want to learn about

Cortex 14:18 the history of police who are also furries

Jessamyn 14:22 close the history of wildlife management police, oh, like the cops in Aspen who have to spend all of their time it's not cops. It's like a different brand. Sure, you know, enforcement people, but they have to keep people you know, on top of dealing with their trash to keep the bears out of aspen. Like, because if you don't lock your trash, the bears gonna get into your trash, but it's, you know, it's one of those public health issues, right? It's very difficult as we have learned, to get people to do the right thing for community health reasons, you know, And so basically, I'm learning a whole bunch of neat things. One was about this, like moose wildlife research thing up in Alaska. And so I'm reading about it in the book. And I'm like, That's really interesting. I should make a meta filter post, but like, none of the stuff in the book has a good link on the internet, you know, and I'm waiting to find somebody that's got a good web presence. Like she goes to this like, wildlife attack seminar for these wildlife management people like how do you deal with, like, looking at, like crime? Maybe crime scene? And how do you figure out if somebody was attacked by a wolf or attacked by a human trying to make it look like a wolf? And like, fascinating, right? I want to I want to know more about those classes, but they have the world's worst website. There's no information on it. She makes them sound cool. But they're just not on the internet. So I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Yeah. But the bugs, great fuzz. Fuzz.

Cortex 16:01 I think Angela's read at least one of hers, but I don't think I have read any. Yeah. And I really

Jessamyn 16:06 like her writing. She's a little jokey jokey, which made like the stiff book a little weird of a read, you know, because, you know, she's like joking about these dead people. And it's funny because, like, I'm not against that. But it just it didn't sit right with me in a way that I don't know. It's just hard to get around. But with this, which is just like, you know, bears in the trash, leopard attacks, blah, blah, blah, it's a little easier to get extra feeling

Cortex 16:32 like tone in pop nonfiction is always sort of a weird thing. To have something that's not incredibly dry, but how you manage to make it not dry is also a real like

Jessamyn 16:42 Malcolm Gladwell, that smug fuck. But like he's an example, right? Like I think one of the reasons people either react well to him or not well to him is because he has a very particular tone in his books. Yeah. I'm on the not well, side, in case that wasn't clear. Yeah.

Cortex 17:09 Let's do a quick jobs round up. Okay. I put a job up, you did you put a job, job up, I

Jessamyn 17:15 got a response to the job on Thursday of all things, which was American Thanksgiving. And then I followed up, and then I haven't gotten a follow up to my follow up. But I'm pretty excited about this. My job was just somebody who could make a Greasemonkey script. Because I have to do this fiddly thing for the volunteer work I do at the Internet Archive, somebody sends me a URL, I need to trim that URL, change one part of that URL. And that takes me to a hidden download page where I can download the item that I can make available for print disabled users. Pardon me, and I'm doing it a lot more now. And you know how nerds are? Yeah, I want it to be two seconds faster. But I don't have the capability to write that script myself. But I do have somebody who maybe is going to help me with that.

Cortex 18:08 Nice, straight straightforward optimizations to repeating tasks are a good thing because they feel good like it's not even just like it's not the two seconds it's the two seconds and the knowledge of the two seconds

Jessamyn 18:20 great like smart keywords all over my browser so that I can search Wikipedia just by typing Wk block. And it feels good every time I do it.

Cortex 18:32 There's also a job from RSA basically looking for someone to go be their eyes on the ground at a store in Portland

Jessamyn 18:46 How is that not full? already?

Unknown Speaker 18:48 Don't know it might be like Oh, fuck, I

Jessamyn 18:50 love those restores them.

Cortex 18:54 Yeah, basically go to restore and look for a few specific items. Which actually go there again some time because yes, there's always such a weird variety of stuff. If net net next time I'm sitting around feeling like really, really art right, I should just go to restore because like walking around and getting like weird ideas for collage.

Jessamyn 19:11 Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 19:13 It's like, it's so good books there.

Jessamyn 19:14 And they have a lot of like, weird around here. Anyhow, weird deadstock like craft supplies, and sometimes like home furnishing stuff, like new in a package, but the package is 50 years old, you know? And sometimes it's exactly the weird shit you need for your 100 year old apartment. You know, yeah, the perfect drain stopper or whatever the thing is, yeah, that's an interesting job.

Cortex 19:40 And then Chang Han has three different software related. posts up.

Jessamyn 19:45 I was surprised that was not Jesse Chan. But it's actually Jason Chen. I think. I did not look. Jessie Chan is, you know, older, you know, blogger, internet user guy who worked at Bitly for a long time. I'm not sure where he's at right now. Yeah, but you know, friends of friends and I was like, oh my god, is that him? No, it is not. Anyway,

Cortex 20:05 there's three different levels of sort of four roles of software design the sounds like it's remote. Canada based in Hey, check. Oh,

Jessamyn 20:12 nice. Wow, I bet working in Canada is great. Oh, there's that chunky, there's a really fat nut hatch that comes around here.

Unknown Speaker 20:21 Do we have a name for that yet? Has it come up on the

Jessamyn 20:23 pike chunky nut hatch? Yeah, no, cuz chunky. Not hatch is new. But there's like two and one of them's really fat. And the other one's normal size. Like it's weird to be able to tell birds apart because

Cortex 20:35 it's not just this nut patch. It's these nut patches. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jessamyn 20:43 Yeah, I guess. But yeah. Working working in Canada. These jobs pay well. And I don't know. It seems kind of interesting. So yeah. Good. And I think that's all the jobs right?

Unknown Speaker 20:56 I think so. Yes.

Jessamyn 20:57 I hope shade in tents got their document dropped off from last month. Yeah. I'm always just kind of curious. Oh, and projects, which you know, as I spend more time on metal filter comm I spend less time on projects that meet a filter that comment I should

Cortex 21:14 it goes back and forth. You know, you end up in different places. Yes, projects. There are some projects, one of which is a waxy wax pancake, Andy Bale has launched skittish which is this thing he's been working on for the last forever, right? Yes, the thing? Yes. And it's a well, I mean, it depends on how long forever he's worked on several things. But this is the the recent thing he's been working on for a while, which is a weird little virtual space. That is kind of delightful. It's browser based. And it's, it's neat. There's a demo, you can play with it. I kind of like the doing some sort of like meta filter get together on skiddish. I just haven't like figured out what to do yet. But it could be like,

Jessamyn 21:58 a community engagement person.

Cortex 22:00 Maybe, maybe. But anyway, it's neat. Is the actual title here.

Jessamyn 22:06 Cuz I think that would be cool. And I would attend. I think that would be nifty.

Cortex 22:11 We will do it for sort of a holiday thing.

Jessamyn 22:13 Oh, that's a great idea. I love it.

Cortex 22:15 So yeah, that is very cool and exciting. It's it's like yeah, it's neat. So yes, that is a thing.

Jessamyn 22:22 Exit doc has the Bible with added swearing.

Unknown Speaker 22:28 It did not see this yet.

Jessamyn 22:30 So National Novel generation. My Oh yeah. Nanogen. Mo Yeah, with the personalized Bible. And it's, you know, seven and a half megabytes of profanity laced, goddamn Project Gutenberg goddamn edition of the fucking King James motherfucking. Bible motherfucking TABLE OF GOD DAMN contents. So I think what is happening is they're using you know, AI to determine, like, where you can put swears, which are actually you know, determined by certain things. You can't do a swear yes, there's

Cortex 23:08 there's chromatic limitations on that. For what will sound correct,

Jessamyn 23:14 yeah, but it basically takes the Bible which is you know, public domain and ah, fucks it right up. So cool. chickadee titmouse to the as as we go bird recital, because they didn't show up. They This is they just started showing up. They've been gone.

Cortex 23:33 You need to make a sound board with like, a little, like two seconds song for each bird and press that,

Jessamyn 23:40 you know, so that is a good idea.

Cortex 23:42 Because people love it. What have people have novelty? soundboards on podcasts?

Jessamyn 23:46 Do they they don't. They don't they? Well, I don't know. I also I have speaking of what people love on podcasts. I as you probably remember, I asked that question about please help me find podcasts. And the meta filter community responded with a great list of podcasts. And I was like, Oh my God, thank you. I'm gonna start listening to this. And then on Twitter, somebody just recommended some other random podcast, not even to me, but just to the internet. And I was like, that's what I want to listen to. So I haven't yet looked through the wonderful thread of wonderful suggestions. Because I've been listening to like Kevin Hart's comedy gold mines, which I would not have thought I would have liked. But it's him talking about the comedy business with like, famous people in comedy right now. He's interviewing David Letterman. Like, you know, old David Letterman is become a fascinating individual in his later life, which I guess anybody who's seen his Netflix show would know, but I hadn't seen it. So it's been interesting listening to it, and Kevin Hart isn't interesting, capable interviewer. So once I've burned through these, I will then go back to the podcast Well, in my asked meta filter thread, start listening again.

Cortex 25:00 If you built an actual Well, it's just like put all the, like, lightweight, like wrote each suggestion down like little wooden block and toss it down there. And every time you were like, time for other podcasts, you would go out to the well and lower bucket and bring it back. No, you're

Jessamyn 25:13 kind of kidding. But

Unknown Speaker 25:14 I'm gonna kind of kidding. But I'm also kind of not I'm

Jessamyn 25:16 gonna tell you specifically that one of the biggest parts of cleaning out my mother's house. In the last, you know, big project that everybody's probably tired of hearing about was locating the wells that nobody knew where it was what you know, the actual well, where the water comes from, it doesn't have one of those little buckets, it doesn't have one of those. But literally, we had never known where it was, we had to find it. And, you know, that involves people like, you know, doing stuff from the pipes in your house and making some good guesses. And our fear was the well was going to be under the deck my father belt, which was going to mean taking the deck apart. But in fact, it was about six feet next to it. And yeah, so now I have one and I know where it is. You can't really talk stuff down at though. Yeah, kind of a problem. Yeah, but I do like that metaphor. And I like that idea in a general sense. Just a specific it

Cortex 26:19 would be such a miserable thing to actually have to accomplish but given this sort of figurative thing. There is a whole flurry of books out from MMA fights. Let's see There's

Jessamyn 26:35 put him in the mall if you've got a new book or listening to this all 17 of you

Cortex 26:40 submitted to the metal filter mall and get out there so yes, peach has written the stick Princess The third book in a series called The ways of magic and you can get that online you can get that on Kindle. Paul Slade who we've talked about photography and such posts on projects before has a murder ballads book that went out of print and now it's back in print. So that's that's a nice accomplishment. Yankee frog has a

Jessamyn 27:12 big Do we have a Yankee frog

Cortex 27:16 it's probably just Yankee fog and i i parser this frog once upon a time forever ago and then never checked it ball search in a second anyway

Jessamyn 27:27 see them a lot because they were the one that had the helped me find this address in Vienna classic

Unknown Speaker 27:34 Yeah, yeah, I think I just I think I liked it

Jessamyn 27:38 really Yankee frog though.

Unknown Speaker 27:39 Yeah

Cortex 27:41 yeah, let me check let me check and see if there's a lurking Yankee frog but anyway again key fob also has a a book.

Jessamyn 27:47 So wait, what's their book?

Cortex 27:49 I linked it that's the princess unlimited.

Jessamyn 27:54 Oh, I thought I got the two. Oh, yeah, it's two different Princess different Princess books.

Cortex 28:00 We're playing on hardmode today.

Jessamyn 28:03 Yeah, definitely Yankee.

Cortex 28:05 far there's no Yankee frog, which would be a good username not Yankee Yankee frog me but there is no Yankee frog would also be a good day usernames.

Jessamyn 28:13 Oh, yes. Also, Princess unlimited comes to with a link to a free activity kit and peaches book. Peach got the rights to their previous two books. And so it's a nice trilogy as if I'm understanding correctly.

Cortex 28:31 Yes, I believe that is the case. That's cool. So yeah. There's that I'm wrong. There's four books because veggie boy has the How to Suvi cook. I

Jessamyn 28:43 feel like veggie boy comes out with a holiday book every year.

Unknown Speaker 28:45 I think I feel like that too. It feels like I'd like to know how

Jessamyn 28:49 to cvwd I've got some chicken in my freezer. I think I think you can do that. Oh no. Kid. What?

Cortex 28:59 Sorry. Chicken in the corn. I'm trying to remember even like when I learned this was oh my god, oh, well, I'll link it whatever.

Jessamyn 29:10 My sister who like we did three person Thanksgiving this year which was better than zero person thanks or one person Thanksgiving and then spending the next day in the ER last year for me. But like my sister just when she's doing well, which she has been lately, really loves to cook and so she made like a crazy, you know, seven or eight different things for Thanksgiving. But she tweaked into the fact that like you don't actually have to cook your turkey until the internal temperatures like 165 you can actually cook it till the internal temperatures like one I don't know. Don't take my word for it. But like look it up. We cooked are tricky to a lower internal temperature. And it was actually significantly better than it has been years past because of whatever this is. witchcraft is that she found out about you know if you cook it to this much but then you let it sit it'll continue to cook a little bit more and then that'll be adequate for all of the stuff you need to cook meat for to take place. And yeah, it was a revelation was really cool. Nice. Yeah Do you guys have a good Thanksgiving by the way? Did you do?