Podcast 9 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 9: ColdChef goes six feet under (2007-05-25).

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Unknown Speaker 0:07 Gentlemen, welcome to the metal filter, podcast.

Unknown Speaker 0:16 Punched if you are new which thou shalt not worship favorites have fallen on troubles. Thou shalt not take the names of Matthew Howard Jessamyn west to Josh Milan, Paul Vash, Todd Lockwood, Matthew Chang with Green Bay. There's nothing any girl over size of 14 that needs a sandwich is buttery. Some people just be

mathowie 0:37 listening to the metaphor, their podcast, and this week, we're gonna do something a little bit different. This week, we've got an interview with cold chef, otherwise known as GJ Charlet. And we're gonna do that upfront and then followed up with recaps from Metafilter and AskMe netfilter.

Jessamyn 1:04 Down in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, we're going to talk to him about Kool Aid pickles and his very fascinating job and maybe a little bit about his adorable children sat good.

ColdChef 1:16 When I agree to this, I said Kool Aid pickles are off the table. Well, anything that's part of my private life, and I don't share that,

Jessamyn 1:24 dude, I've seen all your pictures. I've seen your daughter's topless Don't give me that.

ColdChef 1:31 That's gonna that's gonna win the Father of the Year awards when they get older,

Jessamyn 1:35 your daughter topless with like, $1 bill down the front. on Flickr,

ColdChef 1:40 you should mention that she's too She's not like 14.

Jessamyn 1:44 And she's too

mathowie 1:47 I mean, I'm fascinated by the funeral home thing of over 1000 Questions about that?

Jessamyn 1:52 Well, your generation right culture if you're like, a family business,

ColdChef 1:56 third generation as as most funeral homes are as most small funeral homes, our family run grew up actually, in the funeral home. Like connected to the back of it. You could walk from my bedroom and be in the funeral home and 10 seconds.

Jessamyn 2:13 I've seen that bedroom on Flickr.

ColdChef 2:16 Yeah, it's it's, it's kinda creepy, kind of like the way the way it worked was that the the original plantation was built. And then my grandparents just kept adding on to it and adding on to it. So nothing matches in the house. And as you go further back in the house, it's like, time warp. You go from like the 50s up front, and then the 60s bedrooms. And then you know, the 70s green dining room and then the 80s wood paneling.

Jessamyn 2:44 That's pretty impressive. I just remember the picture of you as the young Dorcas with the waterbed. And I believe the Star Wars

ColdChef 2:51 curtains. So Star Wars curtains. Exactly. Exactly. I will style and

mathowie 2:56 so did you have a strange childhood being around bodies and funerals?

ColdChef 3:02 Yeah, it. I mean, it was pretty weird. I figured out really early on what was going on. And then my parents for their, they never really tried to hide from us what was going on. And they never really sugarcoat it, you know, we knew what it was the the earliest memory that I have of what was going on in the funeral home. I remember one of my classmates was playing in his front yard was up in a tree and he fell out of a tree and on the way down, he hung himself accidentally got hung up on a rope swing. And his parents found him there. And my dad went and picked up his body and prepared him and came and walked my brother and I up in the middle of the night, probably two or three in the morning, and brought us up to see him and asked us, you know, is this the way he looked? Does this look? Right? And, you know, he explained to us what had happened to him and everything like that. And that's the first time I remember thinking, Oh, okay, I get it. You know, he's done.

mathowie 4:17 How old? Were you at that point?

ColdChef 4:19 I was probably like, seven or eight. Yeah. And then you know, the one thing that I always remember was being weird about us. We were all in the scouts and stuff like that. So we always had sleepovers at the house and parties at the house and I never thought it was weird, but apparently it was quite an occasion for everybody in the town to go to the funeral home and drink funeral home cooks. We had the old cooks in the bottle that are nice. funeral home cooks.

mathowie 4:51 So you've you've always done the funeral home thing like is a

ColdChef 4:54 no no. And it's it's one of the gods it's like The Godfather. thing I tried to get away from it. I went to LSU and studied creative writing. After I graduated, I moved to Austin and did screenwriting for a while, worked for the University of Texas for a while. And then when I got married, I moved back to Louisiana work for LSU. And I was back here for about three years before I got, you know, the godfather call, my dad sat me down and said, Look, you know, this is your family business. This is your heritage. This is, you know, and I was, I'm the last of four siblings, they all work for the funeral home, my uncle works for the funeral, my mom, everybody else was in the business except for me. And they were like, look, you know, this is, we want to offer your position here. So they drugged me in kicking and screaming, I'm still trying to claw claw my way out.

Jessamyn 5:50 And your siblings don't work there. They do work there.

ColdChef 5:54 They all they all work here at the funeral home, the greatest thing in the world is that every day when I go to work, I get to work with my brothers and sisters side by side. Worst thing about what I have to deal with every day, when I go to work, I have to work with my brothers and sisters. So I've been I've been full time at the funeral home for about two years now. I've always kind of, I've always kind of done, you know, even when I was in college, I would come home and work funerals on the weekend or keep chapels or go make removals stuff like I've always

mathowie 6:32 make what, what's a removal,

ColdChef 6:34 removal, like, like when you gotta like when someone dies at home, you have to go remove them from now it's different from when, you know, when somebody dies in the hospital, they usually move them to the morgue. And then it only takes one film director to go pick up the body. But when someone dies at home, we usually send to people, you know, to make them on mobile.

mathowie 6:55 Wow. So yeah, I got the feeling from your past metal filter history that you were like a computer nerd or something in a job like five, six years ago, or seven or eight years ago, probably when you started. And then like you'd gotten quiet for a while.

ColdChef 7:11 I've been here for that long. I'm aware that you've spent in college, you've been on this one website.

mathowie 7:21 And then I was aware of like, well, there's a lot of activity, you must have moved to Louisiana at that point and then changing the funeral stuff. And now I can tell you don't have as much time anymore and child and stuff.

Jessamyn 7:33 room two kids, two kids and that

ColdChef 7:35 little girl, they are attention magnets. drag you away from everything else. Exactly. Yeah, it's hard to justify daddy's on the computer honey is dicking around

mathowie 7:45 the internet, that he's talking

ColdChef 7:47 to his imaginary friends.

Jessamyn 7:49 Well, and when I first became aware of what you did was was in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, when there was a whole bunch of people just talking about the area and you had a lot of stuff to say just about Louisiana proper, in addition to some of the work you actually were doing during Katrina, and that must have been right around when you started doing this full time. Yeah. Is that right? Or am I am I it

ColdChef 8:11 was it it was about a year was about a year after I started doing it full time. And you know, even looking back on that original Hurricane Katrina thread. It's painful to me. Because the very first thing I said in the thread was oh, yeah, big deal. Not a hurricane Bring it on. Benches. What actually said? It's, I mean, hurricanes are so commonplace down here that you're like, what another one Hanukkah, you know, can go fishing on Saturday. I'll be there Sunday night. I mean, it's that kind of thing. And even with this hurricane with Hurricane Katrina, I went to the movies that day, I went to the movies, not the day of the hurricane, but two days before. And I come out and like My cell phone's going crazy. And people are like in the Barnes and Noble grabbing all the Fiji water. And I'm like, What in the world is going on? And they're like, well, that's that's the hurricane. And I'm like, give me the one that hit Florida. That's no big deal. And they're like, No, it's in the Gulf. It's coming right at us. And

mathowie 9:09 then you're like an hour west of it?

ColdChef 9:12 Yeah, we were actually just north of Baton Rouge. So we got I mean, we didn't get as much rain, but we got the full force of the wind. I mean, trees and everything flying all over the place debris.

Jessamyn 9:26 Well, and you had you had a bunch of work, right. I mean, there was a whole bunch of people that were being evacuated, as I recall coming your way that you had to deal with, and whatnot. I mean, you say

ColdChef 9:40 the night before the hurricane, they evacuated all these nursing homes in New Orleans. And my wife didn't want to ride out the storm at our house. She wanted to go to my mom and dad's I am M for him completely useless. I can't work you know, a chain fall camp. If the lights are out, I'm no good for anything. Yeah, so forget it. Exactly. My wife is like not we're going to where your mom and dad are and your brother because they can do anything my parents can do. I mean, they're ready for every emergency possible. So she's like, let's go up to their house. So we went up there to their house the night before Sunday night, and they were evacuating all the nursing homes in New Orleans to this nursing home in our town. And they call for volunteer. So the entire Fire Department, all the local high school football players were up there. And basically, they just drove a bus after bus, nursing home patients from New Orleans, and we unloaded buses full of people for about three or four hours. And it was just the most gut wrenching thing you've ever said, you know, we're trying to blow up air mattresses and let them sleep in the hallway for this nursing home. You know, nobody's getting the right pills. And in fact, I don't know if this to grizzly for the podcast, but there were a few people that didn't make the trip up.

Jessamyn 11:08 Well, I remember you had said you had said that and kind of that, you know, you had to spring into action in that in that regard as well. And you were really talking about it, I'm gonna filter because there was a whole bunch of people who didn't really know what was going on or how bad it was. And you were like, No, this is real serious, like people are getting hurt, and people are dying. And, you know, everybody's very, very concerned about it.

ColdChef 11:30 I'm kind of an info junkie and and I don't post as much as I used to, but I'm, I'm constantly on the internet whenever I can be. And the lights went out the morning of the hurricane at about 730. And by nine o'clock, I couldn't stand it. So I had my laptop, but the battery was dead. So I actually ran a power inverter from funeral coach through a through an extension course, this is absolutely true. I ran a power cord from the hearse into the back of the funeral home. And all of our telephones are on an electrical system. So they were all out. We had one working phone line that we use for faxes. And I plug my laptop in there, I had to reinstall AOL onto my iBook. And I sat in a closet with a power cord coming out of the funeral coach and then the phone cord. And I sat in his closet and was live blogging and trying to check in with people during the entire hurricane. And alerting everybody Oh, the levees have collapsed in New Orleans. No way they have it. No, yes, they have. Now we haven't. How

mathowie 12:43 long did that battery hold out in the car? It

ColdChef 12:47 did really? Well. We had to add the engine rocking so it didn't die. I mean, it was pretty ridiculous looking, you know. And then I had to explain, you know, my life. You know why I'm going through all this trouble. I'm like, people want

Jessamyn 13:03 to know the closet. Why is Daddy in the closet? In the closet? That's a question

ColdChef 13:07 that's gonna come up later. And then, and then, of course, the aftermath. And everything was just just life changing. I mean, it was it was really weird. And I never really had a chance to thank metal filter for all the help that they gave us. I mean, real, real, tangible help.

Jessamyn 13:33 I kind of I kind of followed along, but wasn't totally sure.

ColdChef 13:37 Well, I mean, there was a lot of different things. I mean, you know, amberleigh was keeping me in touch with all the news. He's for me emails he sent me, you know, text messages. All the news that I couldn't get down. I mean, it was like a wasteland down here. It was. It was two weeks before power got restored in my town. Wow. I mean, two weeks, you know, picture what you would do without any electrical appliances for two weeks. It's it's unnerving. You know, in the heat of summer, people sitting outside in their yard fanning themselves. I mean, it's that kind of thing. So I my wife's family. Everyone in her family lost their home. And I had 22 people move into my two bedroom house for five weeks. Wow. And it was the most ridiculous thing I mean, they it they just swamped us on math and you know, when of course you know, we whatever you need whatever you want. We opened up our house we opened up our hearts to them. But that all goes away in about four days and after that right and I ate was it was hard. It was really hard to keep track of, you know, we would go by just food to feed an army every single day. And I got an email from Fiona be on meta filter and she said, look, we've taken up a collections, you know, and I was like, oh, you know, I don't I appreciate it, but I don't need anything she's like, No, you know, look, this is something that we're gonna send you. So, you know, let us know, and, and I said look at you know, I guess I could use something whatever, you know, to buy groceries or whatever and and they set us we got from Metafilter a very generous check. And the day that I got it was one of them. It was just one of those days where nothing went right. You know, you couldn't even bag gas and some places, cell phones don't weren't working. And it was one of those days where I just felt the muscle was crushed. And then I go to the post office, and there's this check in from strangers. And a note that says, Look, you know, we're, you know, just trying to help you out trying to, and it just what that did for my soul I could never repay. And it wasn't just stuff like that. I mean, it was it was members. I got emails and phone calls from Tizzy and why HBC? I mean, I would call them up and just, and just break down and just cry, and they would listen to me and they would laugh at me. And they would, you know, they would let me make fun of my situation, and they would tell me what's going to be all right, and that kind of stuff. And, you know, for the for it sounds weird, but it was the first time I really considered netfilter like a community in the, in the way that a traditional community is. I mean, like, your family is like your small town like your church. It was, I had a need. And these people I didn't know, reached out to me. I mean,

Jessamyn 17:04 I felt they knew you to write. I mean, didn't know it was kind of relative, I think.

ColdChef 17:10 Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, that's, it's like you were saying earlier, you know, people that had seen, you know, pictures that put up on Flickr, you know, I had strangers calling me up. You know, offering me you know, Georgia needs some clothes. And I thought, wow, that's, that's kind of weird and kind of sweet mom kind of creepy to

Jessamyn 17:31 write, but there's a ton of pictures of her on the internet. So

ColdChef 17:34 she is he's a little internet celebrity.

mathowie 17:41 The check for like, roughly,

ColdChef 17:43 it was. And I feel awful. I don't even remember. But it was it was a couple of $100. And, and it was but not even like the money. Just the fact that I knew that somebody cared that somebody you know was that just kind of blew me away and really, really, really lifted my spirits up, you know? And then like, so I go and I'm like, depositing the check. And my wife's like, where did you get the money from? I'm like, Oh, my internet friends.

Jessamyn 18:21 Your wife isn't going to filter it.

ColdChef 18:23 She's not she's mad. She shamed now. She now understands it. But she's not quite ready to get her own account. Sure. And I'm not encouraging it because I'd hate to have to log out and login just seems like such a hassle

Jessamyn 18:39 post into your wife's name by accident. Oops.

ColdChef 18:42 It's bad enough that she's got a Gmail account. I listen to my Gmail and be like What is all this

Jessamyn 18:50 we need to get your mom your wife or own computer.

mathowie 18:55 Entity they'll do it. Next thing you know, I

Jessamyn 18:57 have to give her shoes.

ColdChef 18:59 When I got my I got I got one of those sweet 24 inch IMAX last fall. And she's like Target to keep the iBook and I'm like no, they're both. They're both still daddy's

Jessamyn 19:11 working in the funeral home though, right?

ColdChef 19:14 She does not. She does not get it. She's baby Raven right now.

Jessamyn 19:19 Nice work.

mathowie 19:20 That's cool.

ColdChef 19:21 It's fantastic. It's she's there's nothing better than you know, having mama there to take care of the kids all the time.

Jessamyn 19:29 But then you work in to or do you live? You guys live someplace else.

ColdChef 19:34 I live two blocks from a funeral home now.

Jessamyn 19:36 I have a family member that lives there still.

ColdChef 19:40 My parent we have two funeral homes now and my family my mom and dad live in one. And the other one is just used for funerals but there's an apartment in the back where you know if somebody is up here late at night like if I've been go pick up a body late at night, and I've got a family coming in first thing in the morning I'll sleep here on the sofa Right, right, right. It's kind of there's something different every single day. And that's what I like about it. It's always something, you know, bizarre and unique. And it's something I never thought I would see myself doing. But now that I'm doing it, it's pretty comfortable.

mathowie 20:17 That's cool. Do you ever get Do you ever? I mean, ever, like three really bad funerals in a row? Do you ever get overwhelmed with sadness? Like, do you have to go to Vegas just to unwind or something?

ColdChef 20:29 It's yeah, absolutely. You can, and this is gonna sound so awful, but you can very old people day in and day out old people. God bless them. You know, somebody's 70 year old, Bas. And it's fine. They've lived a life, you know? And that's no problem. Teenagers and little kids are the hardest.

mathowie 20:57 Especially children. I bet. Like that's really rough.

ColdChef 21:02 Yeah, we had just had. I started working here at the funeral home just after our first child was born. And about two months after I was here, we had our first infant funeral that I had been here for. And it was, I can't remember if it was a little boy or little girl. But when I looked into the casket, it kind of just took my breath away. And I said, told Mark laughs and she looks just like my daughter. And they all look like you know, your daughter and offline. And that was one of the first I just went home and just played with my baby and wept. You know, one of those kinds of things in my life is like, are you okay? And I'm like, perfectly fine. I'm okay. But, you know, after that after you, after you deal with a couple of suitcases, man, I'm sure my daughter's gonna have lifelong problems with sleeping because Daddy would sneak into her bedroom every now and then to make sure she was still breathing all hours. Give her a little poke up, she's moving her nose hold up the mirror. I'm probably a little more freaky about that than most people are. But otherwise, no permanent damage so far. I have this thing where I call my friends and I'm like, Okay, if you want to hear the most tragic thing you've ever heard in your entire life.

mathowie 22:35 You can one up but Exactly. I'm

ColdChef 22:37 just like, Alright, here's the most depressing thing you've ever heard. Okay. Mom and Dad died within a week of each other. And

mathowie 22:46 what's the current worst thing ever right now?

ColdChef 22:48 The worst the current worst thing at will? Luckily, we've, we've we've been on a pretty good streak lately. Not a lot of funerals. You know, always around graduation season and prom season, you know, your throat gets tired. And you know, my dad called me up the night of the local prom and he said, Go make sure all the cars are gassed up and I'm like, Okay, wow. And he's like, Well, you know, it's prom night. And I'm like, Okay, what does that have to do with? Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, yeah, you just want to be prepared for every contingency. But luckily, it was a real quiet real, you know, peaceful season. So the most tragic recent thing is a 30 year old 3032 year old mother, who died nine months after her husband. Both really freaky, unusual circumstances. Both traumatic circumstances. And now there's these two teenage girls who are just lost in the world lost and angry. And it's, it's beyond what I do, to make sure they're okay. And that's if the limitations are kind of like God, because what you want to do is every single time you just want to, like, grab these kids and hug them and say, Look, I'll take care of you. I'll make sure everything goes right. You know, you don't have to be you don't have to live your life in fear. But that's, that's not what we do here. We get them through the funeral and then that you have to count on their family and their community to get them. Yeah, and you know, also check on them out, I'll call them or if I see them at the grocery store, you know, always stop and ask them how they are. And you know, I'm usually pretty blunt and usually saying how have things been since the funeral? It cuts out all the, you know, chatter give you Yeah, it's exactly to what Do you know what you're trying to eat? It sounds kind of weird to say that to somebody like right in the middle of the grocery store. And maybe that's not where their mind was. But it's the fastest way to find out if somebody really is okay. Because if they're not, and you asked about it, you know, if you have somebody if they're okay, and they're not, they will tell you, they will say, You know what, I'm not, I can't sleep. I can't eat, you know, I haven't been able to do the things I normally did. And that's why you, it's like, you know what, maybe there's some people you talk to, you should talk to, and you and you try to help them, you know, you can't obviously do that for everybody. But

mathowie 25:41 do you have any funny or strange stories from the funeral home?

ColdChef 25:46 Fair, every thing is bizarre and strange. I'm trying to think of some, really, I mean, the very first time I ever did anything related to this, we had to pick up a guy that had hid that on his sofa. And he had been there for about three or four days. And he's kind of a bad guy anyway, but he was kind of full of gas. And I was probably 16 or 17. And it was one of those deals where my dad didn't get anybody else was like, but honestly, come with me. And, you know, where are we going, dad? I'll tell you when we get there. And you know, you always know it's just something awful if I tell you to do it, exactly.

mathowie 26:38 In a nice suit. Did you have to wear a nice suit, or we're talking like some cleanup suit.

ColdChef 26:43 Like a like a nicer I mean, no, like tie in everything. And I think this was probably when I was still wearing like those real skinny leather ties. I was just a mess. So we got we got his house to pick up this body. And we he's still sitting up sitting straight up on the sofa. And we saw he put down the crash bag, which is a big black plastic zippered bag to kind of control the smell and everything like that. And the smell wasn't too bad because the air conditioning had been on you know, he had started decomposing, but because the air conditioned everything, it wasn't like, you know, maggots and grows and everything like that. By the way, if I get too disgusting, feel free to cut me off. So he was just kind of gas and slow it up. And I'm trying to be like real cool. You know, I'm like, Oh, yeah. And we fly the guy off the sofa into the crash bag. And he says

and it's like, you feel like somebody grabbed your skin in the middle of your back and you're kind of cold it didn't want to like freak out in front of a family. But my eyes get really big and my dad looks at me and mouth You know, it's normal. Not normal. So that was that was a quick introduction to you never know what you're gonna find when you get to these houses. It's, it's always something interesting.

Jessamyn 28:31 So last question for you that I have. What do you think about like, the sort of popularity of like the six foot under, like, Does that have any effect on your life whatsoever? The fact that watching Undertaker's on television and thinking they know something.

ColdChef 28:47 I you know, I gotta tell you the, one of the first funerals I worked after I started working here at the funeral home professionally. I was at this really? I'll, I'll be vague here. It was one of those kind of really big churches in Baton Rouge, you know, one of the 1000 membership churches. Kind of a megachurch. Yeah. And so we go there, you know, and we set up and, you know, we're getting ready for the funeral. And I'm sitting there in the back and this guy comes up to me, and he says, Let me ask you some, and it's always happening, you get the most, so I'm like, ready for anything and like nine times out of 10 I was go, you know, I really don't know. I don't do that kind of thing discusses. Let me actually he says you're watching HBO. And I said, Yes, sir. I have HBO. You ever seen that show? secrete under? Yes. Yes. I've seen that before. Is that realistic? I mean, that is that really what happens at funeral homes? I mean, without all that fagot crap. And my immediate answer was, I believe it is realistic portrayal. The way sometimes things happen, things happen and Family Funeral Home. Much later, I realized what I should have said is that we have our fair amount of fagot crap. And then if you ever forget that you're in the south, they'll quickly remind you, you know, as to whether I think it has any effect on people. I don't know it, you know, we always hear about people saying things like, well, this is how what my funeral and this is how, you know, I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do that. And, you know, we're going to release doves, and, you know, I'm gonna have a chorus singing Hallelujah, and everything like that, and. And every now and then we will have a funeral that does have personal touches, and, you know, interesting things. And we and I love personally, I love that I love when it's not like a cookie cutter funeral. It's something unusual and different and reflects the personality of person. The truth is, that hardly ever happens. And it's because people don't plan ahead of time. People don't express what they want. And, you know, here comes your family at their worst possible point. And all they want is what everybody else does. I want the

Jessamyn 31:40 nice and not to. Yeah,

mathowie 31:43 so and if you want that to happen, you should write it down. And it should leave like 10 grand in an account somewhere and tell your mom you want drunken clowns on unicycles juggle Absolutely,

ColdChef 31:53 absolutely. All that stuff, put it in writing. And then when you die, your family will do absolutely what they want to do, without any regard to what you wanted. It like I explained to somebody the other day. It's your party, but it's not a party for you. You know, the party is for everybody that's still here. So, you know, you may say, look, I want people to cry, I want everybody to have a good time and cut up. But the truth of the matter is, is they miss you, they're losing you. They don't want to party they don't want to have, you know, they don't want to laugh and cut up a lot of

Jessamyn 32:35 times they want to hang out with you. And they can't. Yeah,

mathowie 32:38 and they don't associate celebrations with your death. Like,

ColdChef 32:43 sure. And when people people say that to me, you know, I probably hear 10 times a week. You know, when I died, just stick me in a wooden box. And you know, I don't need a big ceremony. I don't need this, I don't need that. Or they'll say, you know, just cremate me and scatter me, you know, the winds and everything like that. And I just kind of nod and go Yeah, sure. That's absolutely, you will definitely do that for you. And the truth of the matter is, that's as far as most people ever go thinking about it or planning it. And then when it happens, the last thing their kids want to do is scatter them to the winds, they want to hold them in there where they are, and

Jessamyn 33:22 get in the box. And yeah,

ColdChef 33:26 it sounds even to me, believe me. I know. I know more than you know, most people do about the the finances of funerals and the industry and the way that it's it's kind of exploded into this whole other kind of thing that's really not focused on, it's more focused on merchandising than it is on actual mourning. And it's a sad fact. But the truth is, is we've have, you know, society been bearing people for 1000s and 1000s of years, and it's going to take more than just a few years for us to get that out of our system. We we honor our dad, we you know, do these elaborate things for them for a reason. And it'll take a while for it. It's kind of hardwired into us right now. So but then, you know, I've got really wild elaborate plans for my funeral. I want to I want to be carried on the backs of 20 virgins and I've actually got all mine in writing. So it's kind of weird that you bring this up because I I've been writing out all the plans for my funeral recently. And one of the things that's in there that it's, you know, when somebody dies, they run an obituary in the newspaper, or you hear about it at church. But But how does that be? You know, reflect on the global age that we're in, you know, with the internet and smoke in your will, I did actually have it in writing that if something tragic happens to me and I die, unexpectedly, to send to send an email to Matt and Jessamyn, and I've got your email addresses, and give them the details so they can share with the community. It sounds really bizarre, but

Jessamyn 35:27 I think it sounds sensible.

ColdChef 35:30 It's one of those things where it's like, you know, nobody heard from you for like, a long time. And then all of a sudden, you found out oh, here's the reason why he's dead. You know? I don't know that. That seems really sad to me. Better than you know, having somebody send emails from beyond the grave.

mathowie 35:53 Well, that's awesome. We've got so much good stuff here. That's probably interesting. Yeah, of course, the cat Katrina story is amazing. So I think everyone's gonna love to hear that.

ColdChef 36:06 Oh, I appreciate that. It's been fun talking to me on and I appreciate everything that y'all do for the side. And, you know, for the community that job created.

Unknown Speaker 36:18 Remember, the flames call last names were never part of the four elements, and never will be doubled and doubled

mathowie 36:30 in two weeks. For the US Civil War, and four minutes was like a huge one. I thought that was awesome. Did you see the YouTube comments on it?

Jessamyn 36:39 I didn't see it at all. I don't even know what you're talking about. What not, I did not see that post.

mathowie 36:44 Someone did a really cool animation. I can't remember what it was for, like some sort of condensed PBS special or something. It's been removed from YouTube, which sucks because it was great. It's sort of the Civil War where a day is a second god, okay, so it's four minutes long. And it's just a shot of like the southern US, you know, you can see from I don't know, maybe like West Virginia down, you know, all the way and, and there's a red, it becomes the shows, you know, it starts 1860 and all sudden you see red pop up as the South and then blue is the North. And it shows all the states that unifies the Confederation and the south and then the red grows and then there's sort of this half red half blue country. And then they start the battles and they have like little tickers with the deaths totals on the right. And it's all done in like a nice little Lewis and Clark he kind of like 18 Looks like you're staring at an old 1800s map. And it just basically start animating the red and blue border starts going up and down. There's little battles like explosions. And then you'll see the blue you know, move down a quarter inch or something.

Jessamyn 38:00 Taken off the YouTube because it was like from some PBS something or other

mathowie 38:03 I can't remember who even did it originally. Yeah, but it's been removed by the copyright holder, which totally blows because it was like the best thing is like the whole thing condensed you see how important coming around from the sea and taking New Orleans is because then they sort of set up this break in the middle that was pure north in between these two islands of South hold. They sort Yeah, just sort of spreads like a virus it takes forever just because it's so slow. There's all these battles going on the death totals are going crazy the whole time. So it was a great illuminating. Kirk Rochor asked like how the hell do you do that? And flash and AskMe edit filter as a result. Oh, nice. There's some good follow up there too.

Jessamyn 38:50 Jeremy nice.

mathowie 38:51 I love the Alaskan fishermen one that was great. Did you see that?

Jessamyn 38:56 I did not. I had a whole bunch of ones that I love from the last week or two. But I haven't seen any of these. What was that one?

mathowie 39:02 That's like a photographer. I mean, he's got to be a photographer. The photos are just stunning. Yeah, it's like a guy in Seattle who you know for the hell of it. Just like wanted to learn about fishing like the the Alaskan fishing sort of world. This is like before, a whole reality show about it came out. So even when I was a kid, like in the late 80s, early 90s Like Alaskan fishing was this thing on the west coast that everyone

Jessamyn 39:30 know I had it. I lived in Seattle then I had a friend who did it and wrote this whole long article on it.

mathowie 39:35 It's sort of there's an allure to it right like you're gonna somehow go up to his wild country make like 20 grand by working insane hours for like a month or something.

Jessamyn 39:44 You don't cut your songs off, then you just go home and get to blow that money on. Yeah,

mathowie 39:49 but no one ever talks about that. Like, is it a dumb punk guy? You're like, awesome. I can make a shitload of money. I don't need any skill whatsoever. I just work hard. Whatever. I'm young, I

Jessamyn 39:59 can do it. No one tells me what to do fuck it. Yeah.

mathowie 40:02 So this guy kind of just plunges into it. Oh, it's like him and a buddy in like high school or college just jump in a car in San Diego and drive to Alaska and they're like gonna do it. They have no idea. They have no context, nothing, they just drive. So he talks about like all the dudes he meets on the dock, how people don't actually hire you for anything, people don't trust you. You gotta run and talk to these guys face to face. And then he got these little shit jobs like clean fish for a month or two. And then they trusted him enough to put them on the boat. And then he talked about the hierarchy like crab boats versus, you know, salmon boats versus halibut fishing and all this stuff and in the whole world is like populate with all these cagey? Like, boat captains that like don't pay you and stuff. And that's really like the pinnacle is doing like crab stuff. And the stuff is just totally dangerous and crazy, super dangerous. And like super elite, or you need like five years of experience is really hard. And and these photos are just like, exquisite. Here, I'll just send it to you so you can see them.

Jessamyn 41:08 Yeah, I totally had a friend that did that and wrote a big article about it that was in like one of the Seattle papers.

And he was like, you know, you you never get to sleep like the food is terrible if anything goes wrong. Like you we had a like somebody who like, broke their boot open or something like that and was getting like frostbite and was worried he was gonna get gangrene. But like, there's no medical attention. And at the end of the day, like you come back with a shitload of money or you sometimes do right, because it depends on the catch. Yeah, and then you come back with a shitload of money. But when you average it out, you're still making like 350 An hour it's just that you don't have to pay for rent or deal with your normal life and what have you. Like it's just it's a dream in a in a really specific way.

mathowie 41:53 I think it's a it's probably drug dealing, you know, we're just a few people the top actually make money and live up to the stories but yeah, it's way harder. It's way riskier. It's wait. Yeah, so he talks about he's, you know, he's been like hanging out with these guys for I know, five years. It sounds like going in and out of Seattle and Alaska, and just taking photos all along the way. And it just, yeah, the reality doesn't even come close to the stories of how great it is or something.

Jessamyn 42:23 Right. But if you can write about it, you know, it's one of those things that like everybody's really interested about, and maybe you can save them from having to Yeah, exactly. Go up there and figure it out. Right. How do you spell cura Chaka? I was looking at the filter posts.

mathowie 42:38 It's Kirk of Rapture. Oh, right. Right. Right. That's what I've got so many. I mean, it's cool. There's been so many good posts. I've got the fishermen. We've got we did the Woodstock thing happened since the last time like that was the most popular thing forever that every every act at Woodstock on YouTube compiled? Oh, yeah, yeah, that was super popular.

Jessamyn 43:02 Well, there was the public resource thing where they took all 6000 Plus public domain images and put them up on Flickr. Did that step post? It wasn't like a super favorite. But it's like it's it's a great like web story.

mathowie 43:15 Yeah, right. Charles Mellon would like would suck down every Smithsonian image and posted on Flickr was very cool.

Jessamyn 43:22 Well, they didn't just post them on to Flickr, but they created a whole bunch of derivative works, just to see, you know, like, we put some of these in a book that you can buy, and we're giving them away. And I mean, in the library world, of course, people are interested in that kind of thing. Because, you know, a lot of libraries make money by kind of selling prints of their public domain images. On the other hand, if it's public domain, you can't have like 1000 rules about what people can and can't do with them. Yeah,

mathowie 43:48 I just see the post last night about the digital versions of libraries and how to get access to New York Public Library and various other places. No one met a filter. Yeah, I think it was last night.

Jessamyn 44:02 No, I did not. I was out last night. That is cool.

mathowie 44:06 Public Library course, content.

Jessamyn 44:08 We all know what

mathowie 44:11 there is Public Library's online content and people start breaking it down with like every other state that they know of that offers online access. Oh, right.

Jessamyn 44:20 Right. Right. Well, I mean, that's the great thing about Boston Public Library, all you have to do is live in Massachusetts. You know, and every now and again, there's a whole bunch of listeners, for librarians were when they find like, posted lists of library card numbers that people are trading to give access, you know, that the librarians are like, wow, what are we gonna do blah. And at the same token, it's like these amazing resources that are hid behind like an easily crackable library card number, like the authentication and a lot of this stuff is just ridiculous. Like, it's

mathowie 44:52 just crazy. I mean, librarians have limited resources, but we're talking about digital stuff and like, you don't check people's ID when they want Knock in the door, you don't kick out Canadians, like if someone's there and wants to try stuff out what? What's wrong with that?

Jessamyn 45:08 I mean, it's your university library, in which case, you may kick somebody out who

mathowie 45:12 the New York Public Library will sell anyone on Earth, a public library card for 100 bucks, which is awesome.

Jessamyn 45:19 100 bucks. 100 bucks a year, probably. Yeah. Still, whatever. It's 10 bucks a month. It's, you know, cheaper than dial up at this point.

mathowie 45:26 Yeah. And they've got a shitload of digital databases.

Jessamyn 45:30 Yeah, I mean, I keep a list on my computer. Like all my friends. We all have like lists of library card numbers. So if we need access to a database and some other library, we sort of know how to get it. Yeah. But it's like that weird librarian mafia saying that post

mathowie 45:43 is cool, because there's a whole bunch of everyone's posting like, well, here's what California does. Here's what's like Wisconsin, etc. Right? Um, oh, another sort of pseudo pseudo similar thing is the public domain. Movie. Did you see the fairly the use tail? Like, explanation? Was that the Disney thing? Yeah, it's annoying at first, I could sit

Jessamyn 46:07 all the way through it. I mean, I was like, this is brilliant. I can't watch the whole thing,

mathowie 46:12 the knowing for about a minute. And then once you get used to it, they just keep using the same copy, like, quote, copy. But I thought it ended beautifully. It gets

Jessamyn 46:22 better. How does it end are the good guys win?

mathowie 46:26 No, the good guys leave. But they use more clips as they go into it. But the first minute or two is kind of annoying, but the rest of it it's like really fun. And I liked that a lot.

Jessamyn 46:37 Nice. No, I thought that was brilliant. You know, it was, it was a really good week or two for book things. Tommy Tommy Gnosis, Gnosis, Gnosis, and how you pronounce that word, how to post that was like, just a good website of where to get free books. Like how to get how to get free books online. Oh, cool. And it was a, you know, it was just a kind of a toss away. But like 50 people marked it as as their favorite because it's just like a great like, it's it was an excellent, like, one link resource post

was really short. It was seven words. And people were like, dude, awesome. Nice, blah. And you know, Cata said something nice about the library. And a lot of people just got to talk about was another one those library posts. Everybody gets talked about their favorite place to?

mathowie 47:26 Oh, wow, I didn't see that one. That's really cool.

Jessamyn 47:28 No, no, it was really it was really cool.

mathowie 47:30 Did you try that? Book Netflix thing came out?

Jessamyn 47:34 What do I book Netflix for? I

mathowie 47:35 know exactly. But somebody's actually started a service where you pay like a small monthly of 10 or 20 bucks a month. And you get to have like three or four books out and they have hundreds of 1000s of titles offered. You know what I did? Oh, sorry. It's just like book rental by mail.

Jessamyn 47:51 You know, what I did join this week, which is kind of off topic. But I joined the paperback book swap.com, which is one of these sites where like, you list eight books or nine books that you're willing to get rid of. And then you get like three book credits. And then you can search the huge database of everybody that's got books online, and you can request them with your credits. And all you pay shipping. So it's a big database, and you can just search it and then you can like print a label and mail your book off and then request books and one of my students showed it to me. And it's like, easy enough that like one of my like, 60 year old students, she totally could navigate the whole website and she's like, I read 80 books a winter and this is where I get them all so I mean, I'm sure Netflix for books you can get like new books, maybe this one's a little bit harder. There's like huge waiting list for Harry Potter books and stuff like that sweet look for books you just want to like read and get rid of totally awesome. Are there any other paperback books swapped out calm?

mathowie 48:46 Are there any other Nephi posts you liked? We can go to

Jessamyn 48:53 the only other one that I really liked a little bit was just one that was on trash. It was really it was really long post about garbage and recycling but there was a whole bunch of freegan stuff didn't even it didn't even get a whole bunch of a bunch of discussion. frequence are like people that like they eat whatever they don't have to pay for. So they don't well you live in Oregon.

mathowie 49:20 But so like it's not about the name that's funny free

Jessamyn 49:23 well you should read this post it was great.

mathowie 49:24 It was a cruise Costco all day and

Jessamyn 49:27 cruise the dumpster mostly Yeah, totally. But it was just talking about waste disposal and how different communities in you know Canada and the US and the UK are dealing with it. It was just a really smart post.

mathowie 49:38 Wow, time comments. I haven't seen that in a long time. I know there was like no comments,

Jessamyn 49:42 but I just really liked it. I thought it was really cool and people.

mathowie 49:48 here's the here's the the thing that didn't hook people in the second word in the post is excellent 8000 word essay. I filtered out like, Oh, I've got an hour.

Jessamyn 50:05 And then St. Paul back is like, actually, it's 1274 words. Worse, even longer. That was the only other posts that I really kind of liked though, which, you know, people did fall in love with it, but I thought it was I thought it was super.

mathowie 50:21 There are lots of great questions and asked me to filter this week.

Jessamyn 50:25 Oh my God, my favorite one. Oh, sorry, go 10 astronauts on the space station, get satellite TV.

mathowie 50:33 Oh, you know, I saw that. And I thought that's an interesting thought experiment, but didn't follow it through what happened there?

Jessamyn 50:40 Ah, no, because of how they are in orbit. And because how the space station it's physically impossible to the earth.

mathowie 50:48 It's physically possible, like they're blocked by the planet or their geostationary. But then the way

Jessamyn 50:55 their orbit works with the orbits of the satellites. The satellites are like stuck above the equator. But the space station moves in what dendrite calls a sinusoidal path relative to a square map of the earth. And so they might be able to watch it for about five to 10 minutes.

Every now and again. It was like when my friend lived in Antarctica. They got their internet through satellite but because they were the very bottom of the earth. They only got it like part of the day. I mean, I can't imagine it would just totally suck.

mathowie 51:26 Did you see the most popular is for the last month has been the what can you because it's interesting for 30 to $50. Oh, yeah. Which was great because it reminds me the old contest, that one guy Jeremy or something used to throw every year for no reason whatsoever. He started that Do you remember that? It's like ancient metaphysics or folklore, where he just started a post on metal filter saying I'm going to do a contest. You know, like $30 contest. Give me the coolest thing get for 30 bucks, and I'll buy it for you. Like there'll be one winner, but the we're all winners because the thread would be filled with like 100

Jessamyn 52:05 Awesome. $30 things. I don't remember that. It

mathowie 52:10 was like titanium spork. One one year he did like three years I think. And they're just be awesome, crazy Japanese stuffed animals and like, crazy balsa wood sculptures like stuff he just didn't know existed. So the Ask medical questions, pretty much the exact same thing. It's just loaded with crazy cool stuff.

Jessamyn 52:32 You know, when I lived in Seattle, the Henry Art Gallery had like a design contest, which is like the best designed thing that you can buy for under $5. Oh, cool. And they had people buying like weird, different shit. And just displaying it like this is a great thing. And I think one of my favorite things was like one of those like kind of pill shaped magnets that you feed your cow so that all the metal in their stomach gets attached to it and doesn't work its way through their digestive system.

mathowie 52:57 Holy crap.

Jessamyn 53:00 It's called a bolus. Or you know, I think a bolus is the shape but that's what it's for. So your cow swallows this like magnet pill. And then it attracts whatever, whatever metal they ate.

mathowie 53:10 That's awesome. There's like so many amazing things in this thread. There's so much cool stuff. And the other one did you see the ultimate boys backyard killer boy

Jessamyn 53:23 backyard was the one that I saw that I thought was great. I mean, it's right up there with with sweet fort as Yeah. And it's sad. The one that was on FARC which was the one that was on fire. Oh, no, no,

mathowie 53:35 the one on FARC was we'll get to where's it? Where's the popular? Oh, it's I think 13 years of surfing the internet has ruined my brain.

Jessamyn 53:46 Right? That person actually? Oh, sorry.

mathowie 53:49 Yeah, that showed up on FARC got picked up and like 20 Like, I don't know, it was Tuesday or Wednesday. The server was really crappy. And there was like 30,000 farmers slamming the server that day. Oh,

Jessamyn 54:02 no shit. I didn't know that. I didn't know. That's why that happened. Yeah, the the original poster actually emailed me and said, I posted this thing like a week and a half ago. And I'm wondering why you didn't approve it. And it just been like a totally busy week for anonymous asked Metafilter posts. So it's one of those ones that we almost, I almost skipped and then turned out to be months later. It

mathowie 54:25 only has 30 comments. It's got twice as many favorites. You know, it's like 30,000 people in Farquaad. It's really amazing that like, there wasn't a lot of advice. I think everyone just sort of identified with it.

Jessamyn 54:38 Right? Please tell me what the answer to this pressing problem of our time of our time is

mathowie 54:43 no magical answer. Oh, yeah. No spark in the thing you've been marked. Huh? I'm gonna have to redo the anonymous thing. So that anonymous people I mean, I was going to redo the anonymous system. So it's like shout add a link to the original question in the background. I did a paranoid setup where nothing ever is linked to anyone. But I'd like to do it so people can pick the best answers, like anonymously the original question. Asker

Jessamyn 55:15 Yeah, I followed up actually for like a different anonymous posts, like somebody was like, Look, I don't want to put my own name next to this comment, but would you mind commenting for me, and I added their comment and then like, eight people favorited that person's comment. And I felt like, I mean, I emailed I think it was the guy, whatever, whoever it was, like I emailed and was like,

just that you'd like to know a mess up people favorited that comment so eight of the favorites that I have next to my name really belong to you. But ya know, it would be cool to be able to do that.

mathowie 55:48 So going back to the ultimate boys backyard does the awesome it sounds like the awesomeness mom in the world. They must have a ton of land if they have like just a dirt area and a dirt pile they play with and stuff. And that they have tree forts. And what else do they have? Yeah, and they just want to know what the heck to do with the rest of the land. And they got and there's a billion ideas that are great. Building

Jessamyn 56:12 bike bike ramp. Three, four. Yeah, underground tunnels, bamboo forest Treb you che and then somebody's like, bamboo is invasive stuff, right? And I told her shower zip lines.

mathowie 56:26 I said not like bamboo is not invasive, actually. Just certain varieties.

Jessamyn 56:31 It just grows like crazy. Um, dinosaurs. Yeah, I had an awesome backyard when I was a kid. All of these things are like, we'd like a tire swing and you know, big sandpit and you know, a forest and some really tall grass where you could like roll around and make little rooms or whatever.

mathowie 56:50 How do you make a paved reconfigurable go kart track? I guess you just pay the humongous square then throw cones around.

Jessamyn 56:59 Probably or you can not pave it, but you can have like wooden, you know, slot card type things that you can line up next to each other. It doesn't have to be paved, per se.

mathowie 57:07 Well, it's it paved reconfigurable and like it's not very reconfigurable to move pavement around.

Jessamyn 57:15 mud hole rope swing.

mathowie 57:19 Mud sounds like a mess but

Jessamyn 57:21 BlackBerry patch Oh, I had one of those like a Blackberry patch with like a tunnel in the middle of it

mathowie 57:27 really fast. Yeah. I mean BlackBerry gnarly and scratches you up.

Jessamyn 57:33 You wear overalls and like a jacket. And then you go in with like a machete. And then you can have like a clubhouse in the middle and like your mom will like never come in. She will never come in. It's the best.

mathowie 57:45 Awesome, rockin

Jessamyn 57:46 rocket ship. And yeah, zipline totally the best.

mathowie 57:51 A lot of stuff do. You should just let the kids build whatever they want. Like BMX tracks, give them a shovel and just say, you know, whatever you want is what you get to build.

Jessamyn 58:00 Right? Right, right. Yeah, totally. No, I loved I love that. I mean, yeah, it's just, I always think it's because of the weather. But there's been a lot of really interesting. Interesting back and forth asking Metafilter stuff.

mathowie 58:12 Yeah. Is there anything else you'd like to ask better filter?

Jessamyn 58:16 Those were my those are my major favorites. I mean, the only other? No, I think those were my I think those were my major favorites. Like I just keep the list of like, as I'm looking like, Oh, yeah. Awesome. Oh, yeah. Awesome. Oh, yeah. Awesome. Well, the only other metal filter news I wanted to mention is our tagging project is going great. Guns.

mathowie 58:36 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I

Jessamyn 58:38 find that people are pretty much okay, typing, but like right now there's like 41,000 untagged metal filter and asked me to filter posts, or there were when we started and there's now like, almost 3000 of them are tagged. I mean, we started this, what, two days ago? Yeah. And it's just like, I can watch it on that sort of admin interface. And it's just like, inexorable legs, zoom. There's probably like 30 or 40 people helping thanks everybody. But it's great. Like people are just going through like adding stuff, adding stuff, adding stuff, adding stuff, there's a mess of people on the list. And everybody just sort of does a couple and then it just sort of helps I mean we'll be done in a week and a half if we keep going at this rate we're at like a percent right now.

So we've got 50,000 people if everybody tags one we're done tomorrow you know so I'm excited about that and I'm excited about all the all the work you MPB did on the the Flickr pictures on the user profiles and the new Recent Activity tab which I love I didn't think I was gonna love it but I but I kind of love it.

mathowie 59:41 Yeah, there's definitely a vocabulary problem all over meta filter like we have more features now then we know what to do with so I think eventually we're gonna have to move to like a Flickr you know, mid here's the giant footer and or No, not that but like the the menu on Flickr, you know, everything's a draw up down to like seven versions of whatever the top nav thing is called, like, you know, there's just so many options, we're gonna start folding stuff. So when I saw someone say, you know, I've heard a lot of like, my favorites is repeated four times in four different contexts. And they're right, right. But right, of course, they're right. My comments and my posts that never was quite right, you know, and it matches up with other stuff, but doesn't make sense. So yeah, I just started combining stuff. And I mean, we'll do this a lot. I think in the future that those tabs are just gonna start being ubiquitous because there's seven versions of every feature or option that was

Jessamyn 1:00:35 that everything happens in ask meta filter, meta filter and meta stock. Everything happens in comments, posts, and yeah,

mathowie 1:00:43 yeah. And we'll just start offering three views. If you had a favorites, you know, maybe it's me, you know, yours popular ones, your friends ones, like, we just have to start folding all these things together. For the view, all

Jessamyn 1:00:57 activity thing is just hot. It's hot. It just mostly works. And almost nobody hates it.

mathowie 1:01:02 Oh, the user history stuff. Yeah, it works great for people that are new, because they have a few things, you can kind of get in a single page, get overview of everything you've ever done.

Jessamyn 1:01:13 Right. And I like it, because there's like one number that shows how many comments you've made in the entire Metafilter universe, which I've never had before.

mathowie 1:01:21 I thought it'd be problematic for people with like 1000s and 1000s of, of contributions, but it's still not that bad. And you can filter stuff down to just what they've done on AskMe. Edit filter and such. So yeah, no,

Jessamyn 1:01:34 I think it mostly will be good. And of course, in the retro tag post where I commented like 14 times, like still manageable, not terrible.

mathowie 1:01:42 What else? I guess I should probably talk about the big Portland party, because

Jessamyn 1:01:49 it's coming up. Yeah, so

mathowie 1:01:50 the eighth anniversary of metaphors coming up. I'm renting out a huge arcade slash bar in Portland. We can fit 125 people though, I went down there the other day. Like, it would it feels like it'd be busy with 50 people. There's a I think looking at the zip code of Portland, there's about 200 people in the Portland area, you know, if every single member went we'd be slammed but then, you know, some people want to fly in. So I don't know, like what balance to promote it on, you know, feels like about 30 people are interested in really going right now.

Jessamyn 1:02:30 My guess is you're gonna get a lot more people, though, because people are going to come down from Seattle to

mathowie 1:02:35 say nothing. Like, maybe we only have 50 people if I say everyone should do this sounds fun. I mean, friends in San Francisco are like, dude, I'd fly up for that you rent out the whole arcade. Right? Right, right? Oh, yeah. It's like a 12 year old nerd dream. I didn't set out to like, throw a party for like, my 13 year old self. But it was just sort of like, Hey, I'm looking for a bar that can run out and do an open bar thing for a few hours, who can just hang out and be semi private? And then someone said, Hell, you know, Ground Controls is 80s arcade, you know, that has a bar in it. And they rent their stuff out. So that was a sort of a happy accident. I mean, so it's like every cool game from the 80s on free play. You Can Play all you want for free. And

Jessamyn 1:03:23 yeah, I'm gonna kick cortex acid, Tetris. I think

mathowie 1:03:27 they just serve beer and wine. And I have a few Oregon microbrews. And it's cheap. So I think I'm going to be paying for like five drinks for everybody. But yeah, it's should be fun. I just don't know how much to promote it. So I mean, super fans know about it in meta talk and maybe on the podcast, but I don't know who else there's only like 300 people that you know, even read, listen to the podcast. That's probably the entire meta talk. Right? Super User Group.

Jessamyn 1:03:59 Well, I'm part of it, too. It's one thing being like, Oh, we're gonna have this party in this bar. And it's another thing to be like, this is the official meta filter event. Because, you know, there's never been like an official meta filter event before. And so, you know, there definitely would be a bunch of people who were like, blah, you know, I think yeah, you want to watch that at least a little bit. Yeah, I

mathowie 1:04:19 don't know if it's to RSVPs or something. Did evite some sort of controlled way? Should there be a guest list? Like it's gonna be I don't know what we're gonna do. I feel like not enough people go if I don't say anything, but too many would go if I like announced it on my personal blog or something.

Jessamyn 1:04:37 What if you put it on like upcoming.org or something like that? Well, too many

mathowie 1:04:41 public Yeah, I don't know.

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