Podcast 7 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 7: LA Meetup at the Strip Club (2007-05-02).

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Summary Keywords

people, filter, strip club, guns, post, buster keaton, thread, harley, question, talk, crazy, day, totally, cd, week, meta, metal, myspace, exploits, nice

Transcript

mathowie 0:14 They stuck out or they stuck out. stuck out. Stuck so we'll probably start out with stuck out on downer.

Jessamyn 0:34 Well, and was it that it's white

mathowie 0:38 lines in the middle or the end with that?

Jessamyn 0:41 Yeah, you know, I know the bone I met him in, in LA.

mathowie 0:45 What's his real name is first name?

Jessamyn 0:47 I don't know.

mathowie 0:48 I just want to know like, because that was a nickname of a friend in college and I hate for it to be the same guy. Oh, says Christopher. So it's not him. Thank you.

Jessamyn 0:55 Yeah. And Christopher is this real? His real name? He was one of the people who did not accompany us to the strip club.

mathowie 1:01 We you? Ma.

Jessamyn 1:03 You remember that? No. When me when me and Scotty went to the strip club with high tech underpants in LA at the meetup.

mathowie 1:10 What are you talking about? I don't remember this. Like a year ago.

Jessamyn 1:14 Yeah. Well, at the end of last year, so November

mathowie 1:17 so you go you're What were you in LA for?

Jessamyn 1:20 Ah work? Because I was on my way to Hawaii.

mathowie 1:23 Oh, right. Right. I did. I never heard strip club. That's crazy.

Jessamyn 1:27 Yeah, well, it wasn't like strip club. It was like, dance pole dancer. naked girls almost naked girl.

mathowie 1:33 Oh, that's not at all. No, that's completely different.

Jessamyn 1:37 Whatever. What do you call it? A strip club dancing pole dancing bar girl. What is it?

mathowie 1:43 Was she wearing clothes or not? Mostly no, but she has a strip club. She had pasties word strip is in the title, strip. Club.

Jessamyn 1:54 It is a strip club. Okay, so me and Scotty and Scotty his boyfriend and high tech underpants went to the strip club.

mathowie 2:00 Were you the only two chicks in the strip club?

Jessamyn 2:03 Well, besides the dead girls, right? And they're all like eight feet tall because they wear these crazy. Shoes. But like Scotty is eight feet tall too, right? Like she's tall and has nice hair and all this stuff. So I was I was the only like, weird. What is she doing here? stare at you know, they don't care. You throw money at them. They don't care what you look like or who you are what your gender is. Awesome.

They're very talented. Those women I know

mathowie 2:29 that they can walk in those ginormous shoes. Can't walk in those shoes. I don't understand why that's sexy to anyone

Jessamyn 2:37 says those crazy shoes. Yeah, well, there was this one girl who wore them with like these leg warmers. And I'm not usually into that hipster aesthetic. But there's something about like legwarmers high heeled shoes and like, you know, walking around in your underwear. Yeah, feeling. That's probably feeling I think anyone would agree. But then that was the day I met the bone can interpret that any way you want. A strip club playing at the strip club. He met us at the bar beforehand and then had to like go to work or do something so didn't come with.

mathowie 3:08 Cool. Last week. You're in Wichita on DC, right?

Jessamyn 3:13 Dodge City, Kansas and DC Baltimore area and then I just got back from New York

mathowie 3:20 is what do you do in New York? give a talk. Oh, wow.

Jessamyn 3:24 Library 2.0 stuff? It's Suffern. It was in Suffern. Suffern. Suffern. Yeah. Just north of the city. But I just went down and came back because I wanted to come back and work on my yard and do some laundry. And you know, I don't know I should have gone to the city. But I haven't been home in a while.

mathowie 3:42 Are there any meetups on your swinging trips across the nation?

Jessamyn 3:46 Ah, no, actually, I ran into some metal filter people. In fact, some lady whose metal filter name I don't know came up to me at the computers in library conference and was like, Is there a PHP version of meta filter? I think we need to like an ask me. Like I think librarians need to like get get into the sort of asked me model

mathowie 4:05 Oh, cool. You can do WordPress like I mean, medicine. I always point people in meta chat is go look at meta chat. It's using the same thing that's behind WordPress, pretty much. It's the other version, but it's like b2b or Yeah, b two and WordPress. Both are like the same fork off the same code. And I'm like, no look at meta chat that it's pretty much meta filter, and it's just php. It's free and worked.

Jessamyn 4:27 Yeah, it's the same. It's the same WordPress loop saying, yeah, so that was cool. And then I saw some other Metafilter people kind of randomly around. And yeah, it was totally fun. But no, no official meetups.

mathowie 4:38 I was in New York, and there was no meetup. I was only there for four days. So I didn't really have time for it. But I did meet a bunch of metal filter users at at the gel conference. Yeah. What is the gel conference? Um, it's good experience live, and it's put on by a company called Good experience.com. And it's like Ted for regular people. I would call When I met someone from Ted at gel that like knew me and knew everything about me. And the coolest person I met it gel was a metaphor to remember it was Aaron McKean, who's like the worst for the New Oxford Dictionary. She's one that makes up words. I didn't know she was part of meta filters. That was cool. She's a blast. She, I guess, gave a talk at Jill. And the next year gave a talk at TED. I think she was at TED this year. Oh, cool. Blown people's minds talking about dictionaries. She's really cool. Because he's very open minded about like how words and dictionaries should be, you know, democratic, and she's go ahead and make up a word, and maybe it'll be in the dictionary next year. She's not old school, you know, every word has to go through me or it's not official.

Jessamyn 5:52 Right? Or it's not English. You know, I did meet. I had a miniature meet up at my house between coming back from DC and going to New York tariff and came over he's my neighbor, and blueish orange Allison, who's a metaphysic. Remember? Oh, wow. Across the country with her dog, and stopping in and visiting a bunch of people and she was in Vermont,

mathowie 6:16 Jesus Christ. She left Houston and made it to Vermont. Yeah. Wow. She added me on Twitter the other day, and I was like, oh, what's Allison? I saw her at South by Southwest and said, I

Jessamyn 6:27 Yeah, that's what she said. Yeah, so she was in Vermont, and we had some coffee and hung around and talked about the inner blogs and South by Southwest.

mathowie 6:37 She covered on blueish. orange, blue. Well, she's

Jessamyn 6:40 got Twitter pictures linked up, but I didn't see. I didn't see your cultures. I mean, sorry, Flickr pictures.

mathowie 6:48 Probably a contact on Wow. She's in Syracuse,

Jessamyn 6:54 but like she was in Toronto, and like, Randy took pictures of her and I was like, ready, you know, ready? She's like, you know, ready, and you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's one of those tickets fun to meet someone who knows all the people that you know, yeah, even though you've even though you've never met them fully. She's

mathowie 7:09 on day 38 of a road trip. That's fucking

Jessamyn 7:11 awesome with her dog. That is incredible. And so she stayed with terrapins little girl up the road. I mean, literally, like five miles away, and they came over for breakfast it during the like, 48 hours that I was home. Wow. Yeah, it was so cool.

mathowie 7:27 No way. I'm on the most favorited page in the last seven days. I've liked the fourth most favorited thing in the last week on AskMe edit filter.

Jessamyn 7:35 Oh, well, big surprise. Oh, look, Matt how he asked the question. It's the most Oh,

mathowie 7:40 it was what we talked about last time was cooking. Everyone loves to talk about cooking. So

Jessamyn 7:47 do you love to talk about cooking and they like to talk about grilling, especially because that's like dudes talking about cooking.

mathowie 7:53 They got picked up by food blogs too. I noticed I've sought some refers. So what were your favorite? It had to be the Buster Keaton is the most favorite thing ever in the last month probably

Jessamyn 8:06 well everybody loves Buster Keaton specifically because I mean you know it's got to be good if Pet Sounds calls it out for being good.

mathowie 8:14 Yeah, that was first post ever Wow,

Jessamyn 8:18 that was first post ever. And it had like I mean, the basic Link was like some links to some Buster Keaton stuff but it linked to some Buster Keaton stuff on YouTube some free Buster Keaton stuff on the Internet Archive it at a really good setup a little bit more inside. Yeah, and

mathowie 8:34 like it wasn't it wasn't the stuffs not immediately accessible just in my nano second attention span on the web. But like a lot of the Internet Archive stuff was like 96 minutes long you know slow stream or download and you'd have to

Jessamyn 8:50 watch has huge huge usability problems. I know they know me I've always happy when somebody points something out there because otherwise I just don't go there because the interface makes me so crazy. Yeah, and I love them like they do the most amazing thing yeah yet oh my god, they need a front end redesign.

mathowie 9:08 The YouTube likes the three YouTube links he posted. Awesome. That was

Jessamyn 9:12 just the one about Buster Keaton and all his crazy stunts. What was it I actually

mathowie 9:16 that was the he's using a real train and a real cannon that was fucking

Jessamyn 9:20 cameraman had orders to keep shooting until Buster yelled cut or was killed. Yeah, that was the thing I pulled out. Yeah, put on Twitter if

mathowie 9:29 that was the thing I remember. But yeah, so I just the only thing that kept this from being a perfect 100 It's a 99 is I wish there was more YouTube stuff because it's so quick and accessible and easy to watch and

Jessamyn 9:41 yeah, but I mean, you know, write that as soon as you're like, I wish there was more YouTube people are gonna be like,

mathowie 9:50 no YouTube, when someone now I'm finding when someone posts something with nine YouTube videos, it's like digital Doritos for me.

Jessamyn 9:58 Where you just like click read somebody I was talking about digital different

mathowie 10:01 angles one of the Yeah, where you watch it. Click Click Next. I'll take one more. All right, one more. One more Sure. Hey, what an hour went by whatever. Join my digital Doritos. How weird was it that they the Roger Ebert thread got reposted Chicago Sun Times like as a that was a little weird.

Jessamyn 10:23 Zoom. There's some kind of inside something. So basically that was the the Roger Ebert. What was it? He showed up at? What was it the film festival or he just really kind of he wrote an

mathowie 10:35 essay saying, Yeah, I've been going through this illness. I've been like having surgeries. I'm not looking that great right now. But I plan to go to my film festivals coming up.

Jessamyn 10:45 This week. Everybody was like, way to go. That's awesome. Yeah, it was just off. And

mathowie 10:48 yeah, he kind of went on a tirade about, you know how Hollywood stresses your appearance so much. And he was like, fuck that. I like film. I don't care if my throat doesn't work anymore. And I look hideous. I'm going I want to go watch movies. Right? And then like, all the all the nicest comments, were just printed in sort of the sidebar. You know, here's what people are saying on the web about the article.

Jessamyn 11:12 Well, and they said, Here's what people are saying on the web, but it was just

mathowie 11:15 people on the web are saying But justice.

Jessamyn 11:21 Right, but really where the web equals metal filter? Yeah, I thought that was I thought that was fairly amusing. And nice to just like nice. It's nice to get like, just nice out of metal filter, you know? Yeah. Filter is good at many things, but I don't often. Nice.

mathowie 11:38 I don't see it in the last seven days. It must have been from two weeks ago.

Jessamyn 11:42 The crazy didn't talk last. Oh, yeah.

mathowie 11:44 I would say this falls under this podcast. It'd be crazy. Yes. cable access SEC show about the mighty penis.

Jessamyn 11:53 I missed it entirely. And that sounds like something I would like to include.

mathowie 11:56 You did not see this. Oh my god, I couldn't even watch is so fucking insane.

Jessamyn 12:05 I was oh, no, no, now I know what you're talking about. The fucking insane was the was the tip off? Yeah, well, in that thread was

mathowie 12:14 really the power of the penis. That was it.

Jessamyn 12:17 Because people started getting into this whole side discussion in the thread about like, transcribing dialects, I mean, need to know because because the woman the woman in the video was black. And she talks, you know, in a kind of slightly slang the way somebody copied down some of what she wrote. Very like, kind of word literal, like hanging out instead of hanging out. And then somebody else kind of picked on that. And then Miko had this really great post, you know, because she's a folklorist about, you know, the decision that you make to transcribe dialect or not. And and it became this really interesting side conversation from what was essentially a batshit insane cable show.

mathowie 13:05 Insane. I couldn't even read through. I could I couldn't even watch more than five minutes of it was just, I just could not frickin believe it. But

Jessamyn 13:14 that was that was my feeling. I was like, Oh, my eyes.

mathowie 13:17 Find the side discussion that you can send me a link later. And I'll paste it in. So what were your favorite questions this week with launch back into stuff I'll actually use.

Jessamyn 13:30 Well, let's see there. We had another How do I live on very little sleep question that was really popular. See that? That sounds Yeah, it was a it was a newish one from yesterday, I'm about to start a job. We're all expected to live on five hours or less sleep per night on weekdays. I feel that these questions come up pretty much every six months, everybody's trying to find the body hack that will let them be more productive in the same amount of time. But people have, you know, some decent, some decent feedback. It wasn't like, Oh, I think this question is so awesome. It was just like, it's interesting listening to people talk about sleep, you know, it's like cooking, like everybody has to eat. And so they all have their own little kind of mojo about how the best way to eat is and I feel like sleep is kind of is kind of the same. Yeah, the same thing. You know,

mathowie 14:19 although I would be tempted to say like, why even do that? Why even set yourself up to? That sounds like, you're gonna be miserable. tional

Jessamyn 14:27 my personal feeling is Yeah, totally. Don't do it. On the other hand, you know, I have

the world is a complicated place with lots of people who want to do different things. So yeah, it's it's hard to tell how to sort of, but I mean, it was nice. Actually, people mostly stayed out of the thread, like don't do it. You're a fucking idiot, you know, they were just like, hey, here's what you might want to think about doing and maybe you should try this and that the other and you know, he's going for a job that he really wants and wants to figure out how to do it. So good luck.

mathowie 14:57 What are the constraints like why Nobody works.

Jessamyn 15:02 Got a 12 hour a day job but then he wants to like read scripts and network. Oh, wow. Like Hollywood Hollywood job. Well, there's your Pro which which ties in very nicely and interesting to the what does it mean to be hospitalized for exhaustion?

That created a interesting spin off

mathowie 15:20 in your king of the AskMe. Edit filter segue.

Jessamyn 15:24 Queen we'd like to rain sorry, yeah, I'm a lady. Yeah, but no, I mean, those those go together, I think because for some people hospitalized for exhaustion just means you're a crazy party person, whatever. And for other people, it just means you push yourself too hard and you're sick.

mathowie 15:40 It's a popular Hollywood problem, too. Yeah, well, and

Jessamyn 15:43 that was the point people were like, are you hating on this question just because it happens to celebrities. And then it went back and forth? Well, which of course the other really hot topic and asked me to filter was the concealed carry questions. Oh, god. 300 Answer meta talk. She's met the talk.

mathowie 16:00 Kimberly, people still want to talk about guns so badly.

Jessamyn 16:04 Well, that's the thing that sort of surprises me. I'm surprised that they want to talk about like every idiot thing that George and Laura Bush say, and every nuance of the gun issue. But I think in light of what happened at Virginia Tech, people are thinking a lot of things about guns and they want people to talk to about them. Maybe metal filter is or is not the best place to do it. But I felt

mathowie 16:24 like we've had three or four release valve questions or threads already has see another one that garnered 300 comments, it blows my mind. People two weeks later, still want to talk the hell out of single issue. Which one of the things in which like No one moves forward on it?

Jessamyn 16:43 One of the things that's really interesting about meta filters, it has people a lot of people on both sides of that issue. You know, as opposed to like abortion, there's not that many pro life people on metal filter, there are some there's not that many, like very devout Christians who contribute a lot though there are some, but like gun control, there's a lot of like, concealed carry pack in metal filter people just as well as there's as many guns are idiots. You guys are idiots, or just guns scare the fuck out of me. You know?

mathowie 17:15 1/3 to two thirds, but yeah, which is like balance from NFL turned out to be about a controversial issue.

Jessamyn 17:21 Well aren't afraid to talk about it. You know, it's like, you might not be like, Oh, I had an abortion, whatever. But you'll totally be like, oh, yeah, I have a gun. And I've gotten like instant messages from other people who are like, Yeah, I didn't really post in that thread. But I've got a gun.

mathowie 17:36 Yeah, a lot of people with guns on medical, they're pretty level headed. And some of them are longtime members. And it's just like, whoa, you know, I'd like to target shoot, I like to hunt whatever I have these like wants. I mean, hardly anyone. I mean, there's only one or two people in the original Virginia Tech thread that posted these trollish. Like, if only there were guns in the classroom would have been over which is like crazy. For a million reasons.

Jessamyn 17:58 Well, and like Charlie talk, yeah, but yeah,

mathowie 18:02 it's, uh, it's just shocking that we've probably SUCKED UP 1200 1500 comments total about gun control in the last two weeks. And there's like, no sign of stopping. Oh, it's probably more than that. Yeah. I just assume it would be like, there's another one. It'd be like, are we done with this? Like, five comments? Well,

Jessamyn 18:22 and coming from Vermont, where people really are armed the same way Canadians are like, there's lots of guns and people don't shoot each other.

mathowie 18:30 Canadians have lots of guns. It's a medium

Jessamyn 18:33 amount of guns. Yeah, it's against the law, though. It's gonna control. They have gun control that it's not against the law. It's just heavily heavily controlled.

mathowie 18:42 Well, most of its farmers with three foot long shotguns,

Jessamyn 18:46 farmers and hunters, farmers and hunters. Yeah, but they have a lot of farmers and hunters. Yeah, that's all but they have nowhere near the sort of gun injury per gun owner. stats that we do. Yeah, that's

mathowie 18:57 like 20 people a year to get shot versus 20,000. Here

Jessamyn 19:01 something crazy. Yeah. So that was that was interesting, I thought but the other asked the filter post that I liked. That was also kind of popular. And I kind of suspect I know why it's so popular is the I always like all the questions about ears and hearing because my hearing is always really weird. And this is basically somebody who posted like, is it possible to be hard of hearing without having anything wrong with your ears? And it's an it's it's a I don't know if humble pigeon is male or female Hold on just a second.

Dude, humble Pidgin, the dude. Talking about like, look, my hearing seems fine. But then I get in a noisy room and I'm immediately deaf. Oh, yeah. And I don't understand it. Yeah, well, lots of people have gone to

mathowie 19:45 like a specialist. And they're like, they gave her all the beep tests. And they're like, No, you're fine. He's like, I if there's more than two people in the room, I can't hear anything. So Right. It's

Jessamyn 19:54 well, and everybody talks about the thread has a lot of people being like, nope, totally me. Totally me. too, everybody got me? And everybody says like, they take the quiet room test, right? You go into a room and you shut your eyes and you wear the little headphones. And you hear the little noise. Yeah. And those people have fine hearing like I have perfect hearing, I was really surprised to find that my hearing was perfect because I go immediately deaf, like, I'm getting to the point where I become one of those people who's like, can we not go to a really noisy bar with a big television? Because then I'm just gonna sit there and like smile and nod all the way through.

mathowie 20:27 So what was the final findings here?

Jessamyn 20:30 Well, people were just talking. I mean, they brought up a couple things that like some people can pick out sounds, they call it the cocktail party effect that some people are really good at having the brain do whatever it is to differentiate that sound. Those sounds people talking to you. And other people aren't other people were like, oh, maybe it's some kind of low end central auditory processing disorder, which is another like spectrum type thing like autism, right? So

mathowie 20:57 regular, regular, like the auditory version of Where's Waldo, some regular people are fine, you know, and the cacophony and then other people are just overwhelmed by it.

Jessamyn 21:08 Yeah, yeah, that their brain isn't doing the sorting that it's got a lot less to do with your ears. My wife,

mathowie 21:14 and Kay is a cognitive psychologist and should know this stuff. Why didn't ya

Jessamyn 21:19 crack a book?

mathowie 21:20 What the hell wants?

Jessamyn 21:23 It's fascinating stuff. And, I mean, it's like, it's like when I was in like, taking a lot of linguistics classes, how you can be in a room of a whole bunch of people. And suddenly someone will say your name across the room, and you're like, do what, you know, like, you can hear your name, even when you're not listening to other people. So there's a sense in which your ears receive a lot of data that your brain then breaks up into pieces and makes sense of, and, and I think it's part of that, but there was a lot of people who said, like, this happens to me, this is what I know about my ears. This is and it's just fun to hear people talk about like their own personal experiences. Once again, it's like yours, so people aren't really fighting about it. And, and everybody kind of learned something along the way. And since it's up my alley, personally, just with my own kind of weird hearing, I'm like, oh, yeah, I feel like it's gotten worse since I've been in the country. Yeah. Not sorting out sounds all the time. Yes.

mathowie 22:18 Yeah. You're probably getting worse at it.

Jessamyn 22:21 Yeah. I'm out of practice.

mathowie 22:23 Let's practice. Oh, I've got to show this to her. Because this is like, she's got the same problem. And yeah, I can't believe she's never

Jessamyn 22:32 and yet if I'm like, sitting in a room and talking to somebody like I don't even notice, but if somebody's like putting away dishes, like there's, there's certain noises that I can't not hear. Yeah, and I feel like this total, like pre Madonna pain in the ass. Yeah. Could you turn the NPR down while we're having this conversation? And like, whatever. NPR drives me crazy. Can

mathowie 22:51 I hear you? I can't hear you over the smugness.

Jessamyn 22:56 It's totally true. But yeah, so I usually tell people I'm hard of hearing but then I went to an audiologist because of my tinnitus and they were like, No, you're not you're hard of hearing. Yeah. And I was like, fuck, really?

mathowie 23:10 Yeah. Kay was pissed she's like, fucking Kaiser they employ these shitty doctors because they say I'm not deaf you know? And I can't believe that

Jessamyn 23:19 to same problem the same thing that I have that's very funny. So that was you know, that was that was high on my list of of asked metal filter things that were really interesting. I'm trying to find if there was any like super fun or super stupid. topics from asked me I was gone for a lot of time so I have more. More skin. Oh, I

mathowie 23:40 love the Harley day. Or Harley Davidsons for posers and midlife crisis yuppies only or can low key folks like me ride ride ride one without fear of getting the stigma assigned to them. So this is like a guy who did not see that. Yeah, it's Tommy Gnosis which is like from a movie as a guy who's written like motorcycles his whole life, and he's written like really fine BMW motorcycles his whole life. He's like, and now he's like, so nice. I know they have a heated grips and like, Oh, great. So he's like in his late 30s. And he's like, Yeah, I was just bored the other day and I was like, at a Harley Davidson dealer next door to something I was doing. I rode one I was like, this is fun. But he's like I'm in my late 30s Am I gonna be seen as like accountant guy, you know? Everyone universally was like, You should probably just he was like, should I get this a nice new BMW or should I get this Harley? They're about the same price but they ride completely differently. He's like, I'm not going to seriously be you know, tearing through corners anymore. So the Harley would be fine riding style wise. Right everyone universally it was like don't wear freaking if you do get the Harley don't wear like leather chaps and leather vests you know with brand new patches on them and stuff. Because you will look like the lawyer guy? Well, because there

Jessamyn 25:01 was that movie, right? Whatever that crazy was where like Tim Allen and a bunch of dorks are riding around on hogs like, yeah.

mathowie 25:08 But that's but that's a reflection of reality. You know, every Sunday when it's sunny here in Oregon, like, my neighborhood just rumbles with, like, all these dudes have motorcycles in their garages. They only ride on Sundays when it's sunny. And it's really loud.

Jessamyn 25:25 See, I had a motorcycle in college. And it was definitely like a cafe racer crowd. And like the some of the guys had beamers and like I had some little Honda that I kind of painted to look like it was a little Laverda. And my friend had a triumph that she painted it look like it was a Norton and we would ride around on him. But yeah, you know, they would like make fun of the Harley guys with the ape hangers and like, the way you sit with your feet forward and whatever. But then like I went out with a guy from Milwaukee for the longest time, and you know Harley's kind of from there. And if you go closer to the source, you find more kind of regular biker types riding them as opposed to just weird.

mathowie 26:06 Middle Aged dudes. Yeah.

Jessamyn 26:08 My other favorite asked Metafilter question I forgot. I have one more is the helped me diagram this 94 word sentence. I put it in the sidebar. So awesome. Didn't read it yet. But yeah, oh, well, it's just this long, crazy sentence. And a whole bunch of you know, word nerds are all like, oh, do this, do this, do this. But then great good filter actually drew a picture of a syntactic tree for the sentence and uploaded it to image shack. And it's the most amazing, super geeky ridiculous.

mathowie 26:38 Why did they want to? Oh, yeah. Oh my God. He actually drew it and scanned it.

Jessamyn 26:46 It's amazing. It makes me realize,

mathowie 26:50 Oh, I see some mistakes didn't pin Wow. Good. Wow, that is a word nerd like Rubik's Cube. I was personally happy to see a post from a week I guess or two. It's one a week ago, one from like two or three weeks ago about like, How in the hell do subway systems come up with their naming conventions, specifically? The San Francisco Muni subway system is totally nuts. Where, you know, N, Judah is the name of it. But there's a J line. But that's church, a church. And you think in your mind, why didn't they make Jay Judah when they make C church? And there's this long drawn out thing, like going back to the 50s? And why they named things the way they named them. And it's like, why don't they just wipe it out and start over, but they want to like be backwards compatible forever. So I was just happy to see that it's this wasn't some old clusterfuck decision made. 50 years ago, we're sticking with

Jessamyn 27:50 when when I went to college, we lived in on campus apartments that were numbered a certain way. And then they changed like the year before I moved in to a different numbering system. So like I lived in like, new mod 90, new mod 95, old mod 100 or something. And so all the students knew all the older students knew the Old numbers, and they didn't know the new numbers. And like it used to be that like everything on the first level was numbered, and then everything on the second level was numbered. And then they did it by stairwells later, where the numbers were the same. And so you'd have to like when you were ordering pizza, be like, Yeah, I'm in old mod 84, new mod 76 Because you didn't know if the person delivering your pizza was the old number or the new number. So now it doesn't matter. In fact, anybody who went to college after me probably doesn't even know that the mod said different numbers. Sorry, the apartments. We call them mods. Yeah, it's hard to scrap something and start over you get hate mail hate mail.

mathowie 28:51 Well, who cares if it's going to be more intuitive to everybody else later on?

Jessamyn 28:56 Well, but you know, the whole idea of intuitive to everybody never works.

mathowie 29:01 As long as it's intuitive, it's intuitive.

Jessamyn 29:04 And then the last two weeks wasn't that when you rolled out the and rolled back the user changeable style sheet?

mathowie 29:10 Yeah, maybe I did it on a weekend. I don't think we talked about last time. Yeah, it was fun for a few hours.

Jessamyn 29:17 I could probably bring it back. I wish there was a way

mathowie 29:20 I could bring it back with if I filter out to exploits, one for IE and one for Firefox. And if I do one tiny thing, which is really hard programmatically to do, which is when people pull in PB spend like 10 or 15. Yeah, someone has to do a monster regex to make sure when they pull in an image as an actually an image, then pretty much safe, but that last part's pretty hard, but we can filter out the two exploits easily. It'd be so great to bring him back and I can't believe that one do Chris Muir like maybe it was the funniest thing I've ever made my space you did put Be Cool, he, I saw it, it was amazing. He in His bio area just kept expanding all the texts he needed with like, he just put like em like, you know, italics around it, you know, the emphasis around it. And they made emphasis class and you know, put it here and make it look like MySpace. So then he could have like all the cheeseball MySpace stuff. And it looked right, because he was just like, using new classes and stuff. That was, yeah, that was incredible.

Jessamyn 30:28 Yeah, it was great. Of course, a lot of people thought it was just your way to get all the old timers to change their,

mathowie 30:33 you know, I thought it would stick I was like, and I even showed it to that one researcher due to bill at Princeton, who just found all kinds of exploits on all kinds of sites. And he was like, No, you probably will be okay. And then he had no idea about the Firefox hole. He was like, Holy crap.

Jessamyn 30:51 Well see, that's what's so great about, you know, the hive mind is that if you want to see like, in this shit be broken. Yeah, it will tell you authoritatively whether they can break your shit or

mathowie 31:02 not. Yeah, I mean, I was bummed that I had to take it away. And like 12 hours later, but on the flip side, I was like, I'm so glad. It wasn't one of those things where nobody says anything. And everyone just lets it run. And then one guy figures it out doesn't tell anyone and actually uses the exploit. Apparently, with MySpace one of the morning, Yeah, apparently MySpace, they don't do any filtering on anything. And you can do all the exploits you want in your account. And the way they get around it is by constantly logging you out, like every minute or something. Like if you've ever been on MySpace, you realize you have to log in a billion times. It's because it's

Jessamyn 31:34 awful. I have to log in to Blogger a billion times to so I'm never sure if that's just me.

mathowie 31:39 They're keeping you logged out. And they're like doing stuff with cookies to like, minimize the damage that anyone's profile can do to you, which is like Yank up your password and stuff and have it post to another site and stuff. So right, right, currently, yeah, my space is completely insecure, and lets people run all these exploits. So yeah,

Jessamyn 32:03 yeah, I was showing my space off to a whole bunch of librarians. And one of the things people ask is like, what about safety? And I'm like, forget it.

mathowie 32:12 Oh, I saw this. This is awesome. I actually marked as a favorite. Oh, really? I watched the metal filter tag on Flickr. So I found this.

Jessamyn 32:21 Oh, is that true? So if I want to, like send information to you, and I can't get a hold of it any other way? I can just put a little a little Matt, how are you alert and flicker and tag it metal filter. And you see it

mathowie 32:31 was Chris mir he actually owes me five swap liner notes are crazy. People are nuts on the Nephi swap.

Jessamyn 32:38 Yeah, I sent out mine. I've gotten one back so far. I love them. If I swap people listen to good music at me five, I've got like two or three international people in my group to which was fun. Oh, cool.

mathowie 32:49 I didn't join it last time. I only did it once. And I put way too much effort. It took me like a week and then I put so much effort into

Jessamyn 32:58 it getting things done is not going to help you match problem.

mathowie 33:03 I spent so much time on it. And I realized as these CDs came in, I hardly listened to them and listening once I didn't like them I'd stop or something. Yeah,

Jessamyn 33:10 usually, I mean, it's hard, right? Because depending on how people make them, you can put them on your laptop, and they'll have all the song information, or you'll put them on your laptop, and they'll just be like track one. track two,

mathowie 33:21 three. Yeah, that was something. Yeah, it would take me six more hours to upload them to every free CD database there is like, Yeah, I mean, that's if you're gonna go overboard, you have to like upload the free D b.org. And you have to upload the cddb

Jessamyn 33:37 Well, and you're not supposed to upload your MCs cases to C dB.

mathowie 33:41 But when you have friends like loading the CD, most apps will only talk to CD dB. So

Jessamyn 33:47 right yeah, so it's a it's a quandary. It's an ethical quandary

mathowie 33:51 plus it takes like eight hours to make sure that even got approved so you end up like waiting around right I ended up spending like a week just concentrating on my CD and I made a webpage for like I went nuts. I made a web page I made

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