Podcast 41 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 41: Yet another mention of Diplomacy (2009-05-20).

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Unknown Speaker 0:07 Gentlemen, welcome to the metal filter Podcast,

mathowie 0:12 episode 41 of the podcasts we are recording on May 10. Hopefully posting later this week, this cover the last 30 days or so the sites. We just had the music podcast, the second music podcast happened a week or two ago. Yeah, that worked out really nice. I love that you interviewed a new user, Josh, because I rarely hear from new users or I guess we hear complaints from new users.

Cortex 0:40 We hear from new confused users mostly

Jessamyn 0:43 banned me from new users.

mathowie 0:45 Why did you ban me for spamming users? But it was nice to hear. You know, just someone's completely otherworldly take on the site. You know, that Miss never seen it before? A few months ago?

Cortex 0:59 Yeah. Well, yeah. And it's like with brand new people part of it. And he, it was funny. I was talking to raise in debt, and he jumped in and answer the question before I got to ask it. And so there went my interviewing technique, but uh, I wanted to ask him, you know, how he had come across Metafilter and come across music specifically. Because it feels like one thing you kind of lose when you've been here for a while is any sort of real clear memory of what was like when you first found the site. And sort of hearing from someone who has just gotten here? Sounded like sort of an interesting way to go. Although he you know, he said he'd been lurking for a while so he'd been around for a year or two. I think at least just sort of watching the site.

Jessamyn 1:36 Everyone always says They lurk. I'm always curious if they really lurk or they just think they have to say that you know to avoid

mathowie 1:44 to lurk. Don't you lurk on sites I lurk on site?

Jessamyn 1:47 No, I don't recall the time you guys visit other websites? I don't

mathowie 1:51 really, I lurk on things and then it's always like, I guess I'll finally make an account today. These people piss me off enough.

Jessamyn 1:59 No, I set up accounts like immediately just cuz I want to make sure that I get the Jessamyn username. There's the other Jessamine?

mathowie 2:07 Well, I know I don't the race for me ta to WA.

Jessamyn 2:10 I'm gonna start registering Matt, how are we? To keep you from lurking.

mathowie 2:18 I was trying to learn community culture before I signed up,

Cortex 2:22 jerk, jerk I was I, I've been I've been using, I still use cortex when I sign up for something that's like explicitly metadata related. But otherwise, I pretty much use Josh Mullard now. And I've come to this metric where any site that I can't sign up with my own name, because that's already taken is probably bigger than anything I really gonna be involved with anyway, so it kind of works. I was like, you know, there's no way I'm gonna get it on Yahoo. But like, if it's if it's an if it's a newish site, and it looks kind of interesting, and I could sign up under my own name. I know it's not completely saturated already. I know. They don't have 5 million users. Yeah,

Jessamyn 2:57 I was a little sad. I couldn't sign up@mint.com With Jessamyn. Yeah, yeah, I even got a little note from them. Like, are you Jessamyn from Metafilter? And I was like, I am indeed, not that it helped me at all. And I still can't get my bank working there. But it was, you know, fame almost.

mathowie 3:16 I guess we were talking about the 10 years shit. Right off the bat.

Jessamyn 3:20 Could you use nicer words to describe it? The 10 year awesome party.

mathowie 3:24 Let's talk about the 10 year anniversary meet up. We kicked that off a couple of weeks ago and it's gone swimmingly? Probably better than I ever expected. I thought, you know, we all have these internal pools of how many cities are going to have a meetup 2030 66 Justin, you know, what if

Jessamyn 3:43 planning stages, how many do we have confirmed something like 1012 Something like that?

Cortex 3:47 I think it's got to be at least a dozen looking at the man

mathowie 3:49 for most of us. 789 1011 1213 1415 1617 See,

Jessamyn 3:57 you're great at counting.

mathowie 3:59 What Wait Wait one of them has one of them has one attending and it says confirmed.

Cortex 4:06 Well, he knows he's gonna be there.

Jessamyn 4:11 Dude, I'm gonna meet up at my own house right now by those standards.

mathowie 4:16 I guess it doesn't really count a one person meet up but we have to compensate for like how much we're gonna find out No. Like, what else? What's the basement? Like more than two?

Jessamyn 4:34 Yeah, well of course it's gonna be more than two. Well, two, I guess I mean, right. Yeah,

Cortex 4:39 I think if you're thinking if you're a one person meetup know you're probably buying your own drinks Yeah. Although you know if they want to if they want to take that occasion to say I want to ring in the 10th in a T shirt maybe

Jessamyn 4:52 well and then the two person meetup then all of our sort of married couple me five meetup. So we'll just be like we're having a meet up at home in our living room. Thanks for the bucks. Yeah, cases are really good beer.

mathowie 5:06 Maybe I should require they download some coupons.com. Plugin. That was Zanzibar I'll pay 50 bucks or something to drink alone in Zanzibar? That's kind of cool. Well,

Jessamyn 5:18 exactly. Of course,

Cortex 5:20 I think, you know, we can probably once we get closer, you know, once we're within a couple of weeks, and we want to sort of like make sure everybody all right, where's the grounds? What's up, then we can sort of, you know, look at what we're actually what we have, how many meetups there are, how many people are coming in? Sort of, yeah, do it there. And it might be as simple as doing sort of a sliding scale up to a certain ceiling or something like I didn't

mathowie 5:39 want anyone to think Oh, my God, you're pulling the rug out from under me. I was gonna pay my rent with that. $7.33.

Cortex 5:46 I would say anybody planning and meetup specifically around that sort of premises? Probably not doing it in the right. Spirit.

Jessamyn 5:54 Yes, Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

mathowie 5:57 So anything more to say about the 10 year anniversary sites?

Jessamyn 6:02 Paul did a really good job. And you did. And I think they went live. And everyone pretty much liked him except for like, a couple of little things we had to hammer out, which was pretty terrific.

Cortex 6:13 Yeah, I think the rollout was really smooth.

Jessamyn 6:15 The sides beautiful people seem to know how to use it. And a lot of our kind of defaults that we built into it seemed to make sense to people. So yay, for us. That's

mathowie 6:23 no surprise. Africa does have better coverage than South America.

Jessamyn 6:30 Yeah, I was surprised that that too, actually. But I guess all the people who are being social on the internet and Brazil are over on Orkut and not metaphor.

mathowie 6:38 Well, isn't it? There's a whole bunch of longtime members in Chile, Colombia. Yeah.

Jessamyn 6:45 Well, there we have. We have some longtime members who like Andrew Cook is down there. But I haven't seen it on the site in a while, but signals down there. And yeah, there's a couple other people who are long timers. They don't have meetups very often, though.

mathowie 6:57 So we haven't found anyone officially in Antarctica yet.

Jessamyn 7:02 I've been trying somebody put me in touch with somebody down there who's supposed to email me they have really like Not a lot of internet. So yeah, even just back and forth over email takes a little bit of time.

mathowie 7:13 I keep forgetting this is their winter, and the overwinter crew is only like 10% of the summer crew. So

Jessamyn 7:20 it's yeah, they're tiny, busy.

mathowie 7:23 Maybe 300 people, suicidal people,

Jessamyn 7:27 my friends who have winter over, it's not that terrible. But yeah, it's a long shot, but it would really be cool. If we could pull it off. We could probably get some media attention.

mathowie 7:35 When war to map dot I guess we'll just do projects. I guess the last podcast we totally skipped over music since the music podcast covered music pretty well.

Jessamyn 7:51 I feel like we should keep doing that. I mean, I don't know.

Cortex 7:54 I mean, there's there's there's things that aren't going to make it into that podcast. But yeah, I feel like it kind of works as a way to segment it out a little bit and still thrown in bumper music on this. And that kind of works.

mathowie 8:04 Yeah. When I was putting the bumper music together, I was like, oh, geez, we didn't even mention it once. So yeah, no, no disrespect meant. Music. dotnet filter.com For not being mentioned at all in the last podcast. But hey, you got your own podcast now. Grow up. Shut up.

Cortex 8:23 Oh, that'll go get a job. Tell it to me.

mathowie 8:27 What was your favorite project over the last month? Anyone?

Jessamyn 8:30 Let me see I'm going to my

Cortex 8:32 favorites. You know, I really liked Matt did that. Yeah, okay. Fandango Matt, but this is so such a shame. It's a great little thing. He made up photographers licenses that were fake, sort of permits with Department of Homeland Security logos on him saying hey, you're a you know, you I am a licensed photographer that you could present if someone hassled you Yeah. About taking pictures of public place, which is brilliant. And they looked great. And he pulled them down I think within like a day for as you unexplained reasons, presumably friction over potential legality.

Jessamyn 9:11 Right now. Are you are the backup Are you guys in the same chat?

mathowie 9:16 Let me click. Whoa, wow, it's back. Yeah. Well, is it awesome?

Cortex 9:21 He put it back. It was totally not there for a while. So yeah, this is great.

mathowie 9:26 Oh, he doesn't have the template

Jessamyn 9:28 anymore. But I enjoyed it anyhow. Oh,

mathowie 9:32 I couldn't get that Buddha machine to work. It doesn't work. Oh, really?

Jessamyn 9:36 Oh, yeah. That was that was the other one. Josh and I like the same stuff.

mathowie 9:40 Oh, it worked. It's totally stopped working when I tried to play it twice.

Jessamyn 9:47 And the thing I liked about it is it started with loquacious as post, which was this which was one of the first mental filter threads in a long time where like everyone who posted like the first time Then posts are all like, oh my god, this is awesome. Like that never happens, that never happens. Like it never happens. I'm like looking at all the above the fold comments and they're like, holy shit, that's amazing, awesome. Blah, blah, blah. Thank you. Eloquent Wow, I love this very cool though it's like somebody's like, you know, eBay feedback or something a plus plus would listen again. But people were like it so explain what the what the project's thing is

Cortex 10:30 the project thing, it really is just an extension of the post. So it's kind of explaining both the post was a bunch of YouTube clips that I think were basically found video, I don't think the guy commissioned this stuff so much as just went searching through YouTube and found this stuff or searching through other video stuff. And every video has to some degree or another or some element of the note B flat in it, you know, people playing some music in the key of B flat or in something that's sympathetic to it. And the idea was, you could just hit play on these various little YouTube embeddings. And it would create this sort of texture of kind of B flat, et cetera going on. It just made this nice, really sort of great ambient, accidental music thing. And the project does the same thing except for it autoplays those, you know, so it's the page that when it's working correctly, at least, it just sort of toggles the play button on random videos on the page. So you don't have to go clicking around, it'll just sort of automatically do that for you, which is kind of neat, because then with one click, you can just sort of let it run and you've got this thing doing its thing, and it's a little bit different every time. It's cool. Yeah, I got I was really excited by actually, I've been trading meta filter mail with at least one person sort of talking about ideas how you could extend it. I think I was chatting about that in the in the metaphor thread too. So it's just it's a great idea. It's one of those. Why the fuck didn't I think of that thing.

mathowie 11:58 I didn't understand how they all work together so

Cortex 12:01 well. But the B flat thing. Yeah, just I think careful curation by the guy who went and found the video.

Jessamyn 12:06 There's a musical explanation. Yes, that's cool. I also liked

mathowie 12:12 musician under escaped my non musician understanding. Yeah.

Cortex 12:18 One of those more locks.

Jessamyn 12:20 I also like wax, he's crowdfunding Kickstarter thing. Because it's, it's like, you know, we've seen examples of this, like, hey, I need to raise money for the blah, blah, blah, everybody chips in and whatever. But it kind of has an added bonus that the person who's doing the thing instead of like, help me, you know, ride in a hot air balloon, like there's an element where they can return something back to you. So like, Eric Berlin is one of my favorite crossword puzzle makers. I know, this is like you have a favorite Crossword Puzzle Maker. But I do. And that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, seriously. And so he's, you know, soliciting money so that people can help him. Make some crosswords, and he'll pay his tester and whatever. And then everybody gets.

mathowie 13:10 Oh, and if you don't reach the funding goal, nobody has heard he never gets it. Yeah, they

Jessamyn 13:15 don't even take your money, you pledge it. And then they take it at the point at which, if it's all collected,

mathowie 13:22 it's and I think, I mean, I helped beta test this and I couldn't tell if it was gonna go either way, if it was going to be good or not. I mean, I played with it, like six months ago when there's like four guys in New York using it making up projects to test it. Yeah, I couldn't. I mean, people tried this idea like, you know, hundreds of times before lots of like, pledges to you know, just give me money or donate tip jar but then there was like, let's all pledges to make art together. Like there's been several sites for that. And this one might, you know, has enough like sort of mainstream looking it looks like a professional sites trustworthy. It has a whole bunch of like, you know, moderate internet stars using it for stuff I just saw Hodgman will like, sing you a song if you give $1,000 to some tiny band. But like, you know, this might be the one that breaks out and actually works well. That's

Jessamyn 14:15 kind of what I was thinking because I've seen lots of sites that do it but this one was actually I could totally understand it. People seem to be using it. I don't know the balancing really right and people on Metafilter really liked it. So that was good.

mathowie 14:29 And that was the use for the kind of Bluetooth project Andy launched which was on metal filter and totally surpassed its funding goal like two times over which is

Jessamyn 14:41 Oh interroll Bangs book. Oh, cool.

Cortex 14:45 Yeah, I think there may have been I think he made a project post about it like a while back, not about the book, but just about the the whole

Jessamyn 14:54 that isn't talking about Matt, what were you talking? No,

mathowie 14:57 no, I'm talking about to these kinds of blue The first kind of blooper,

Cortex 15:02 I thought I thought I thought Jasmine was just really done with that.

Jessamyn 15:07 No, I just read it and I thought you were finishing that sentence for him as

mathowie 15:12 it is. And he loves it. He loves chip tunes, which is like dudes doing eight bit music. Oh, yeah, like Nintendo controllers and stuff. If you ever heard Jay con metal filter, his song, he did thriller like yeah, it's thriller basically on the hardware that came with like a Commodore 64. And it sounds incredible. So, you know, Andy camp, the ideal is to the classic kind of blue, you know, jazz album from the 60s as chiptune so using five different like chiptune artists to do each part and stuff. I don't know how they'll bring it all together. But you needed I think $2,000 To produce it. And I think they're up over five grand or something.

Jessamyn 16:03 So wait, what happened? How do you get over five grand if all you need is some smaller amount of money?

mathowie 16:08 Yeah, everyone who gives more money keeps getting like a CD or you know the get stuff out of it. So yeah, cool. Yeah. Sorry.

Cortex 16:25 That was pretty much all I have to say is like I was in terror banks got a lulu printing of his story. The hole in the wall, which is this wonderful bit of ink and watercolor about his cats. Fantastic journey. Yeah, potato and yeah. Oh, God, I feel terrible. Yes. Thank you. So yeah, that's all I was just really pleased by that as part of what came out of his whole year in comics in which itself was pretty fantastic. So I was pleased to see us doing the book. Meet him.

mathowie 17:02 I guess my favorite post, or is that this straight neuron metal filter is guy. It was a freelance writer in Philadelphia.

Jessamyn 17:13 We know. We talked about him every month. Yeah.

mathowie 17:17 12 projects is crazy. So yeah, he's done a lot of projects. Whenever he writes something significant. He posted two projects. This last one was really cool. The little video that accompanies it is awesome. It's this little town in Pennsylvania. Oh,

Jessamyn 17:32 is it the one that is on top of the coal seam or whatever?

mathowie 17:35 No, no, the talent will stop burning is a reference to its crazy racist arsonists. Yeah, it's this little depressed town that's got a huge black population a small white population they believe too few white guys getting access to some really highly explosive materials. burning houses down 50 fires in the last 15 months. It's like you read this. If you watch this watch cycle oil three minute video when you get time. It's basically encapsulates the entire article is really cool. And it's like haunting these these streets with like, these burned out buildings all over the place. The people they're like, kinda, you know, there. There's just a level of anxiety among everybody that lives there. Like what the hell's going on? Like, nobody's been caught for this like, and nothing's happened. Like, we can't get to the bottom of this. And it's gone on for like, almost two years. It's just crazy. Just, you know, wake up one morning building. next day's burned down. It's kind of crazy. Horrible. Yeah. Sorry to be captain bring down. Thanks.

Jessamyn 18:49 Let's talk about other things we like. Yeah. Shall we move on to Metafilter on the AskMe edit filter?

mathowie 18:56 Oh, I guess we got two jobs seen a good job.

Jessamyn 18:58 I didn't see any jobs that I mean, there was just there's been three jobs since the last time we we spoke well,

mathowie 19:05 this was like working at Sandia Labs is kind of fun. But it's doing like lame marketing. I don't know. I seem to call it that. But indications I know via communications first and how many do annual reports and stuff for Sandy? Sandy is pretty cool. I mean, that's like I know a lot of scientists, hip scientists cut their teeth out there in the middle of Albuquerque.

Jessamyn 19:29 I do not know much about Sandia. So I will defer to your better judgment though. Did you see that we have a user whose username is basically gallery who signed up to post a job about commission sales for their gallery.

Cortex 19:41 Yeah,

mathowie 19:41 did we take that down? No, maybe not.

Jessamyn 19:45 I mean,

Cortex 19:49 they're not being abusive, but it's that's like, that's exactly like the far outer edge of what it's like somebody told me not a user. Yeah,

mathowie 19:57 well, they chose the username for you. No, quote, SEO reasons even though there's no benefit to doing that. But yeah, cheesy,

Jessamyn 20:06 does anything but douchebag at this point?

mathowie 20:09 I know it's

Cortex 20:12 it's such an entrenched vocabulary that there's people who do perfectly legitimate, you know, search engine optimization, you know, it seems like when I hear people defending it when it gets into SEO douchebag No, no discussion, aside from actual douchebags defending it, you've also got people who, you know, work in search, and they work in design, and they might be part of a corporate SEO department, you know, I mean, Google's got people who do SEO, and they're not douchebags, but unfortunately, the speed at which corporate names for departments moves a lot slower than the speed at which people hating the fuck out of something that shows up in spam moves. So you know, I don't know if they'll still be calling themselves Seo 10 years from now. But they might be

Jessamyn 20:56 good at Google. What did the SEO people at Google do?

Cortex 21:00 Well, I mean, in a sense, they are the ultimate SEO guys, right? You know, they're their holy optimizing the hell out of search engines. So it's just that they happen to they happen to own the truck in this case, and everybody else is trying to jump onto,

mathowie 21:13 I would say this other job. I mentioned that mobile application software engineer making some mobile apps at some new media Institute's lab for the next 10 months on a contract that pays pretty well. It's in bands, which is like here, look at Google image search for Banff. It's like the most beautiful spot in Canada like crazy glacial lakes in amazing colors. Like what a crazy awesome ski town and

Jessamyn 21:39 swear up in Calgary.

mathowie 21:41 God. Yeah.

Jessamyn 21:42 I mean, if you like snow,

mathowie 21:46 and well, in the summertime, it's beautiful. These are mostly summertime picks. Just beautiful, crazy Mountain Village, I'd, you know, hack some software there. Okay, metal filter,

Jessamyn 22:00 metal filter. You know, there were like only like two threads. What? Is he laughing your coffee?

Cortex 22:07 I laugh at everything. I'm so easily amused. You're so good. I will. You know, I'm anticipating the difficulty that you know, it's like when we move on to Metafilter. And then there's that slight pause. And I read into that the notion that Well, here's the problem with moving on to metal filter and just imagining some of the possible explanations for for why it would

Jessamyn 22:29 here's one of them. My favorite post is probably not any of you all's favorite posts. And I delete that. No, you didn't delete it. You commented in it. I went over deleted but then I saw you commented on it. And then I fell in love with it.

mathowie 22:44 I think I wanted to make a joke about it first, and then I want to delete it. You know, I'm

Cortex 22:48 always tempted by that sort of. Well, we don't really have a rule against that. Do we just don't do it? Yeah, I did that the other day actually with a post that guy. What was it about? It was about it was something we'd been talking about. Oh, it's talking about Evie, do Wi Fi card, things like that. When we were talking about an email you were like

Jessamyn 23:11 to talk more about this, but my bus is going into a tunnel.

Cortex 23:17 I don't know I was jumping in the conversation. I left like to like talky comments. And then I realized why am I doing this the post is kind of bad the way it was done. And so I went up and deleted it. And I felt kind of weird about that.

Jessamyn 23:28 You can always tell me and and I'll delete those for you. Yeah,

Cortex 23:33 I don't know. There's been

mathowie 23:34 some lame single like YouTube posts lately. That's why I was like, there's no payoff

Jessamyn 23:40 turned out to be really interesting. Because it turned into a little discussion at the end about the the the I'd hit it. The retired I'd hit it discussion because there were people who I guess hadn't heard of it. Who had their eyes open to the history on Metafilter.

mathowie 23:59 Oh, cuz it guys wanted to speed Oh, got it. Yes.

Jessamyn 24:03 And somebody was like, this does not play to my demographic. And I was like, and sometimes it plays to other people's demographics. And people are like, Are you saying you'd hit it just spit? And I'm like, No, that's so weird. And then somebody was like, No, seriously, but would you and then we had a very nice discussion about it. It was funny, but actually the other real posts that I really liked was the one about Amanda Palmer meta filters on Amanda Palmer who went to the High School in Lexington, Massachusetts, and was doing original music based on Neutral Milk hotel's in the airplane over the sea, which was kind of interesting, because it's Amanda Palmer, but it was more interesting because the last comment in the thread is somebody who actually went to the play and saw it and that was just kind of neat and a lot of people were familiar with the school or the area or what have you. So neither of them were like total popular favorites list but they were both personal favorites.

Cortex 25:00 increasingly complicated crossovers Neutral Milk Hotel, as established in the first music podcast is one of corduroys favorite bands and I saw him last Sunday he came out to an open mic because he's in Portland now, right? For reasons I still haven't figured out. I don't know what he's doing in Portland, but I'm glad he's here. And he actually played one of his Neutral Milk Hotel covers on the banjo Lele on stage at his first open mic

Jessamyn 25:24 related I have seen Steve Goldberg from the Steve Goldberg experience playing Neutral Milk Hotel at a metal filter meetup and brought Abro

Cortex 25:31 they're the glue. They're the unwitting glue. Neat

mathowie 25:36 that's all that was the song I had on my iPod when the when you went off the road Weiss know the chair of my wife's department goes, Hey, my daughter is dating a guy from metal filter does music too. And I'm like Steve Goldberg. And I showed him my iPod and he went holy shit, and he saw the vortex and saw through it. Blew his mind.

Jessamyn 26:03 I should listen to right now. I liked that band so much.

mathowie 26:08 Think of what oh, I guess I loved Keyboard Cat. I gotta say I still love Keyboard Cat.

Cortex 26:15 I laughed my ass off a Keyboard Cat I mean somebody thinks Keyboard Cat

Jessamyn 26:19 board cat to me.

mathowie 26:23 I laugh my I just it's it's instantly explains itself. Have you just watched three videos? They know what it is.

Jessamyn 26:29 You have to like have watched sports or something that whole play me off thing didn't make any sense to me. Oh. Is it a television? I

mathowie 26:38 think of it as a TV thing. I think of it like as a Tonight Show thing.

Jessamyn 26:45 person but whatever reference this pointed to I missed it entirely.

Cortex 26:49 Well, I couldn't think of like a specific reference. But it struck me as something out of like, Yeah, sort of old school talk show stuff. Or, you know, space goes play me up to the desk Zara. You

Jessamyn 26:59 were the one that explained it to me. Thank God that was like Space Ghost.

Cortex 27:03 Oh, am I am I just repeating what I said to you already? Well

Jessamyn 27:06 on chat, but you tell them Yeah, tell the audience.

mathowie 27:11 Or before that, you know,

Jessamyn 27:14 I was like the cats wearing like a hockey jacket. Is this a hockey reference? It just took me a while to it.

Cortex 27:20 And the cat, it turns out is like, there was an interview with a guy who made the original film. And that was like 20 years ago. I think that he made it and then he just uploaded it to YouTube a couple of years ago. And it sort of took off with this meme just now or something like that. But I found all this out from an excerpt from a video that someone posted in a more recent thread where someone mentioned Keyboard Cat, and some of them else was like, Yeah, well, I can't wait until keep gored cat has to play off Keyboard Cat. And someone else posted a link to Keyboard Cat video featuring a little bit of the interview with the guy who made the original film explaining that when the lady asked how the cat was doing, he said well the cats actually dead now. And so then it goes to black and white footage of Keyboard Cat playing himself off. Pretty fucking fantastic. So

mathowie 28:07 there is a Keyboard Cat maker, you can Keyboard Cat any video, which is fun. So

Jessamyn 28:14 yeah, I just clicked on the first video and I was like, it's people yelling at each other about atheism. Like this is so Oh, no ban, you

mathowie 28:22 know. Go ahead. Yeah,

Cortex 28:25 that first video is kind of harsh because it comes off much more like a weird sort of Rick Roll feeling with that. And yeah, that's not the video I would have led with which was which

Jessamyn 28:33 original deleted thread that was then reposted as a better

Cortex 28:37 yeah. Yeah, exactly. So So yeah, that was kind of questionable. Because yeah, it started off seeming like some really awful Hey, look at people having a really stupid angry argument. And it's like, but then keyboard comes in, you're like what and shock value that I want to

mathowie 28:54 most of my interest in like something funny on metal filter is, you know, just this super quick, spiky parabola of just like, Oh, that was great for about 30 seconds. And then I'll never want to see that again. The Keyboard Cat. I mean, the cat was cute and funny for an entire day. And then you know, you can watch 10 or 20 of these and then suddenly, it became a thing where you like, like, looking through filtered fingers like what's gonna happen to this guy?

Jessamyn 29:22 Because you knew it was something bad was gonna happen. Yeah,

mathowie 29:25 somebody would be titled keyword cat. So somebody's horrible son to have this kid on the bike please for the love of God. And then and then like, oh, it was nothing that he got a flower. Awesome.

Cortex 29:35 Yeah, I kind of wonder if people are gonna start exploring the genre of Keyboard Cat fake outs where something awesome happens and then the Keyboard Cat plays a song or like, hey, the world and okay place. Yeah, it's like disappointed because nobody got hurt.

Jessamyn 29:49 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

mathowie 29:52 That's what it was great that people started playing. I mean, yeah, you can see like, um, it became a thing where, yeah, when there's a certain phase famous joke and people start telling famous jokes in the same style and you're like, I'm braced for it. And then they blow your mind.

Jessamyn 30:07 Do you Mr. Kratz, right? Yep.

mathowie 30:11 That's what I was thinking of.

Jessamyn 30:13 I can read your mind. So what does this tell

Cortex 30:17 me? It's Oh, it's you it Yeah, sorry. It's one of those nerdy game things. No, it's a it's a game called Wayfair that I haven't played yet. I'm so excited about it, that I'm endorsing it without looking

Jessamyn 30:34 at these links, did you? Well, no,

Cortex 30:37 I follow. I follow the link. I just haven't downloaded and played it yet, because I was busy with other stuff this weekend. But, uh, but but okay. roguelike net hack is like the classic roguelike and the original roguelike is a game called rogue and these are these super, super Spartan graphically, completely not even in the neighborhood games that started out as games on Unix systems like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and you know, you're a little at sign wandering around fighting and exploring in a dungeon made up nothing but you know, ASCII character that's like, net, is what you're seeing, like, net hack is like the biggest of them, but you know, there's a ton of them. And so this is a this is a new rope like

Jessamyn 31:17 that, like really a noun.

Cortex 31:21 It's a noun. It's an adjective to have a rope like is something that is

Jessamyn 31:25 but you don't say like, like game you say it's a roguelike Yeah,

Cortex 31:29 it's just gotten collapsed.

Jessamyn 31:31 As a see, blew your mind like

mathowie 31:35 this. So yeah,

Cortex 31:36 this is really nice, because it's like it's a 3d engine, but it's still totally low tech graphics. So it's kind of a wonderful sort of, like, what if, what if there was a OpenGL library on your Apple two we sort of look to it and yeah, I'm really excited about digging into it. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. And in there, J Harris, who has gone on my hero list pretty much since forever when I first saw him mentioned this he writes a column about roguelikes for the site game set watch and it's a it's it's good stuff too. And so the post reminded me of that and that made me happy beaten cool. Anyway, that's all I just I just wanted to throw that out there for anybody who was needing some high tech low tech gaming

mathowie 32:25 principles likes are assume like though it's not like text adventure.

Cortex 32:29 Well, yeah, let's it's still got the it's got like the turn based thing is one of the essential things with roguelike you know, so it's, it's not real time things aren't just running around attacking you if you don't Twitch is one of the things I really like about roguelikes is you can get in a bad situation and then instead of being throwing the controller across the room a second later, you sit there for 15 minutes contemplating your doom and it's it's it's a much more intellectually enriching way to lose it a video game

mathowie 32:56 basically stopped beating me let's talk about comparative forms of government I'll go first what an awesome game

I love the did you guys see the vintage cutaway illustrations? That was a very popular post and any of them they're just amazing like the examples up there just incredible. stuff. Yes. Blast.

Jessamyn 33:30 Oh, like old stuff from the Saturday Evening Post. That's terrific. Terrific.

mathowie 33:33 And it's like it's like an adult version of what I see every night reading Richard scary again through my daughter's eyes which is like Richard scary did this kind of stuff crazy cutaway stuff of what's inside of a house.

Jessamyn 33:49 Scary and all of his normative gender role. Except for this means

mathowie 33:58 that the wrong way. Oh, that's what he also did.

Jessamyn 34:01 Yeah, this is this

mathowie 34:04 is the same artists, how cold rubber is made. Wow.

Jessamyn 34:09 I know. I had no idea.

mathowie 34:11 Way complicated. I also

Jessamyn 34:12 like this like one story post, which was basically a 14 Times article about an astronaut who died in space whose rocket went up, it didn't come down and now he's somewhere somewhere perfectly frozen. traveling away from Earth for the last 45 years.

mathowie 34:35 Whoa, where's the URL for that?

Cortex 34:37 It's funny when you die and drift alone in space for decades. I can't help but laugh

Jessamyn 34:43 at anything you need medicine.

Cortex 34:45 You know what it is, is I'm just constantly huffing non stop.

Jessamyn 34:50 Whatever Josh has, I want some of that.

Cortex 34:53 Just you know, go down to the hardware store, get a sort of a brown paper bag in a in a canister Spray paint or whatever. I don't even know about huffing enough to make proper jokes about how it's fun to say huffing. It's its own drum.

Jessamyn 35:09 Oh, look at that guy on the mugshots page who has the gold spray face? Yeah, that's a good joke about how Thank

mathowie 35:19 you. Standard visual joke now is Yeah, glitter paint face of like person who's whacked out of their minds.

Cortex 35:30 I liked I liked this is more of I'm interested. Yeah, the Wolfram Alpha thing launching. It's, uh, I'm deeply curious to see where it goes. And it's almost like this is my worst qualities coming out because it has the potential to be a wonderful sort of shitstorm of an internet phenomenon. The threads kind of like that, you know, people are really goofing around in there. But it's, you know, if Wolfram could find some way to dial back the hubris, I think these things go a little bit more smoothly for him. You know, he really is a smart guy.

Jessamyn 36:05 Wait, what is the dude's name?

Cortex 36:08 Yeah, Stephen Wolfram is Yeah.

mathowie 36:11 Mathematica Oh,

Cortex 36:13 I think I think you're going robotic man is

Jessamyn 36:15 that because we're all searching Wolfram Alpha

Unknown Speaker 36:18 jungle Kelly's bothering me. She stood as chi My God, is

mathowie 36:45 there any other metal filter favorites? I think I'm all tapped out. Did

Jessamyn 36:49 I tell you guys about the Yeah, the astronaut? No, those were those were all of mine.

mathowie 36:54 What was the astronaut thread on metal filter you never showed the showed me the Oh, it

Jessamyn 36:58 is it's lost in space. Timestamp. 153.

mathowie 37:01 Okay, yeah, there it is.

Jessamyn 37:03 So it was just it was just one of those interesting like, whoa, traveling in space forever. Whoa, kind of things. That's all.

mathowie 37:11 I guess we should mention the lastly, the Shawn Tavis again. Doing? Hey, I want to get back on the horse and campaign and

Jessamyn 37:19 Devis. Yeah, yes. Shawn. On the horse, Matt, how you contribute narrowly,

mathowie 37:25 narrowly missed his spot on the in his State Representative race, like lost by a couple 100 votes after what seemed like some sketchiness dirty tricks, big dirty tricks. So now he's going around talking to congress people and trying to remind them of what their constituents really care about, in a set, amusing way. And if you read that thread and the new comic, I will say the message is kind of complicated. It has something to do with Twitter and something to do with T shirts and something to do with $9,000 of raising money.

Jessamyn 38:02 People were pointing out in the thread. Maybe he needs to get together with wax pancake and they can raise money through kickstart.

mathowie 38:10 Yeah, well, yeah. He's sort of proceed to kickstart. Barely, but yeah, like I couldn't tell what of the three things he's really pushing for. But yeah, it's the it's he's trying to, you know, remind politicians that they should be transparent and not take money from lobbyists. So

Jessamyn 38:27 hey, transparency, always good idea, I think. Yep,

mathowie 38:31 totally. Except on Twitter. Following people.

Jessamyn 38:38 Medic filter, we're in beta. That's, that's my new my new T shirt cush. Fuck beta out of beta since 1999.

mathowie 38:47 Go fuck a beta, who? What? Let's move on to AskMe edit filter.

Jessamyn 38:54 I have a short list on AskMe Metafilter. Not not a very long list I enjoyed asked me to filter over the last month, but there weren't a lot of things that got me like, you know, oh, my god. Everybody's talking about about this stuff. And the ones that I really like are the ones that are a little a little on the chatty side. I think I'm a little ashamed to admit it. This one should have been a meta talk, but whatever. It was, somebody's putting together like a best of AskMe Metafilter. So people chimed in with their favorite posts.

Cortex 39:23 Oh, man. That's, that's totally the funniest

Jessamyn 39:26 thing is, it's got like 17 comments, which is really not that many for AskMe Metafilter. And 130. Users marked it as a favorite. I don't know. I thought it was gonna be closed or

mathowie 39:38 I was no they just wanted to know it's a good question. I want to know what comes out of it. Even early on but yeah.

Cortex 39:47 There's a yeah, there's a I was talking about the idea of because this came up in meta talk. The question someone asked about why some threads get so many favorites. Compare into number of comments. And I think I made up the word reference ability. While it probably didn't make it up, but it's not the spellchecker anyway, talking about that, and how Yeah, it seems like some threads just I think they just have a nature where something seems promising to readers who aren't necessarily going to contribute to it, who aren't necessarily going to answer it. And even if it doesn't even have answers, yet, they still identify that as something that they think will produce interesting results, something that they'll want to come back to, to make reference to. And and yeah, this seems like a perfect example that because yeah, it's a ton of favorites. And there's only so many answers, and there could be more answers. Maybe more will show up. But, uh, but people just on the face that they liked what was promised by that, right, suddenly, you've got a so yeah, I'll see if I can find my comment about that. Cuz me trying to recreate right now is probably not

Jessamyn 40:50 right now. But I totally, I totally know what you mean. And it's interesting, you know, once again, like, what are people doing when they favorite it? Like there's clearly not that much there. But yeah, it's that promise, that promise thing?

mathowie 41:02 Yeah, lots of times I mark something as a favorite that like, oh, I always wonder what the answer is that there's clearly no answer yet. And there'll be like, 28 people who marked as a favorite, let's like a really like, oh, my gosh, I wish I

Jessamyn 41:13 knew how to do that also, and don't, right. Yep. Similarly, this one that was actually fairly recent, but simple concepts that have most helped you understand the world, it's supposed to be kind of like something you learned in school, but then you learned that it has kind of broader applications. But just a lot of people have some good ideas of some really simple ideas that you know, when extrapolated become useful in sort of other parts of other parts of your life again, you know, almost 100 favorites. And people get a little a little far afield, but it was interesting reading start to finish. See, that was pretty recent.

mathowie 41:52 I like I like this one about relationship advice books wanted, but like, so I always think in these terms as well, like, I like smart people who are with it, they're from my generation that have dropped all the baggage of previous generations like Dan Savage, for instance, giving sex advice. Now if I wanted to get like a relationship book or a psychologist, or you know, someone that should read like, who should I follow who is not like going to be in the Sunday Parade Magazine talking about, you know, my grandmother's problems? Who's like someone who's 30 in hip and with it in giving advice in a similar way though, so you know, it wasn't really there wasn't a great answer. Looks like there's someone called Kerry tennis and someone else called Carolyn Hax and Dr. Drew comes up a bunch but Dan Savage hates Dr. Drew

Jessamyn 42:54 decide to do Hey, Dan Savage though.

mathowie 42:57 Probably they get that one gets dropped but a lot of people talking about this carry tennis being someone who's similar. So you know, I just thought I thought it was awesome question can be applied in all sorts of things, you know, because that format has been done to death for older generation of stuff I can't relate to.

Jessamyn 43:17 And then lastly, my last one was one from this morning, which was another one of those kinds of survey filter ones but starts the way many of these survey filter questions start which is I'm having a fight with someone and so this was basically I

mathowie 43:34 guess so many of these I could be posting I fought all the time I always fight the urge

Jessamyn 43:38 to to be like help me settle a dispute. Yeah, when people do dumb things are that I argue with people about

mathowie 43:47 this is great tucked in sheets or not? Right? What did they mean the sides

Jessamyn 43:51 are just see that was my question.

mathowie 43:54 Because the sides are suck, because that's too confining. But we're talking the bottom.

Jessamyn 43:59 I don't know some people don't apparently, I don't have no specifically

mathowie 44:03 do you tuck the top sheet into the bottom of the mattress? Yes, of course. Why not?

Cortex 44:08 Me, me and Angela actually disagree about this. But I I've gotten to the point where I just sort of I run with the let's tuck it in thing because she seemed to feel a lot more strongly about than I do. But I have much longer legs of thing and so I ended up sometimes sort of kicking the sheets out from underneath. So it's like tuck it and then it's gonna get untucked and we sort of you know, have to do a little bit of maintenance on it

Jessamyn 44:29 but recheck eggbeater feet

mathowie 44:31 foam six, four, and I like it tucked if I want to stretch out I stick my feet outside beside Yeah,

Cortex 44:38 I don't know whether you're You're weird.

Jessamyn 44:39 I five two, and I don't have a top sheet. I'm one of those Europeans. Yeah, your winter cover. Yeah. Thank you.

mathowie 44:49 Thank you for that.

Cortex 44:51 I just I'm putting together a hierarchy of mod weirdness. And currently, what are the top yes I don't know.

Jessamyn 45:01 She's very weird.

Cortex 45:05 But isn't that herself kind of weird?

mathowie 45:09 We all can we all name a stupid petty argument that we vote wanted to post the aspetta filter because here's mine I've been dying to for, but I know I probably shouldn't. So someone has to take out the garbage from the kitchen trash, right? According to my wife, the person needs to return from the taking the garbage out and get a new bag and put it into the CANS because they have they have garbage cans. But here's my point, that new bag is not garbagey it's everything's clean. If you put it in the pail without touching anything. Yes, it's possible to stay clean. I

Cortex 45:45 agree with your reasoning about cleanliness. But I agree with Kay's dictum, regardless of her reasoning, because you don't want to come back and not put a handful and

Jessamyn 45:55 then find out the jerk you live with didn't put a trash bag exactly.

Cortex 45:58 You want to have it in there. You don't want to.

mathowie 46:04 My position is I've done have I've done work by going I'm always the guy taking out the garbage. It's like I've gone out, I put on shoes and gone outside to take out the garbage. Like, meet me halfway and put in the new bags. Like that's your

Jessamyn 46:17 that's crazy. How does she even know that needs to happen?

mathowie 46:21 She's standing in the kitchen telling me to go take off the car.

Cortex 46:26 It seems like there's a more complicated dynamic. Okay, so related, though, I put

Jessamyn 46:29 it back, take the trash out. And I would just like to complain that I have to drive my trash up the road to the transfer station.

Cortex 46:37 That seems uncivilized. So you

Jessamyn 46:39 and you're whining about your bags,

Cortex 46:40 right? the lint screen on the dryer? Do you clean it out? When you put the new load in? Are you to clean it out? See I actually pulling the

Jessamyn 46:50 ambiguity to that one. Because I think you can just as easily clean it out before or after you just have to agree.

Cortex 46:57 I think this one deal I agree. But my thinking is clean out before because you're never going to not clean it out before if you forget to clean it out after you know, if you always clean it up before you never have to clean it out after and you never have to wonder I wonder if it got cleaned out after the last lesson.

Jessamyn 47:13 Like back when cameras had film. And you had to like advance the film manually, like I live with somebody who thought you should not advance the film after, you should always advance it before you took your next picture. So I'd always get the camera and be ready to take a picture and the film wouldn't be advanced. And I'd be like, Ah, so I think this is my way of saying I agree with you, Josh.

mathowie 47:36 Yeah, I think I came to the same conclusion that you might as well just do it before I load. But I will have to say since a couple of years ago, we got high tech, you know washer dryers that are, you know, set sideways like they're supposed to be to be low energy, low water, there's hardly any lint we can go like five loads between lint to drive up the road and do my laundry.

Cortex 48:01 Don't even have soap in Vermont, you gotta go. Gotta go

Jessamyn 48:06 out of ashes.

mathowie 48:08 That's gonna continue to be funny. Even if you run that into the corn dogs. I gotta drive down the street to get a corn dog.

Jessamyn 48:16 Are you kidding? Where I can get? That was like the sorry about this. Like, where's the nearest x to me? I don't know where the nearest corndog is. It's gotta be like, 30 miles away.

mathowie 48:26 That should be I know, I

Jessamyn 48:27 got my fried chicken at KFC. And I don't think anybody else did. Why Oprah coupons fried chicken

mathowie 48:34 chicken to people in your county that

Jessamyn 48:37 Well, I had to basically drive to New Hampshire to get it. But it was tasty. Chicken free or don't have any ongoing domestic disputes in my household. I'm right at all of them.

Cortex 48:52 I want to say my favorite thing from AskMe. Metafilter is is the thing that I just deleted. And it's, you know,

Jessamyn 49:01 it's just gonna delete that. Yeah, it was given

Cortex 49:05 plagues fast. And it's one of those things where like, you can totally see why someone wants to post this. But you can also tell that they really, really aren't thinking about it in terms of AskMe NFL, they just like, you know, right, am I right? Yeah, it's a classic. Am I right? That's like, that's FAQ gold right there. You know, I feel like we should put together a collection of classically problematic posts for everything in the FAQ to link to just as an example sometime. But uh, but yeah, so So can

mathowie 49:33 I defend that guy and a drunken fighty guy? If no, that's just that guy. You know, everyone's mellow and there's one guy who's just Okay, so I was at the very first Lollapalooza tour like in 90 or 91 or something. And it's like, you know, the first sort of mega tour, you know, to start them all and the concert starts at like 1pm and goes to like, 1am And just you got to be it's a fucking marathon even for an 18 year old. So I go I show up, Henry Rollins opens like with his first solo band ever. And it's like everyone's just dead silent and, and like mellow because they're just, you know, they're in for 12 hours rockin the guy, take it slow. But one guy in front of us was that guy and the entire stadium, like took his shirt off screaming at the top of his head. And I was like, Wow, this Henry Rollins is pretty fucking cool. I haven't ever can count like because of that guy. A totally.

Jessamyn 50:38 So because of your appreciation for Rollins. Or did

mathowie 50:42 Yeah, I think I did. He became a crazy crazy.

Jessamyn 50:47 That may have wasted some of your time there your valuable time.

mathowie 50:52 It was a fun two year diversion into liking Henry.

Jessamyn 50:56 We've all been there, man. We've all been there

mathowie 51:01 was only 20.

Jessamyn 51:04 Josh, did you like anything from AskMe? Metafilter.

mathowie 51:09 Did you guys see the weekend long game thread that was quite popular. have like

Jessamyn 51:17 you know, I think I was one of those like, Oh, I'll come back to this.

mathowie 51:21 Yeah, well, 60 people you know, marked as a favorite really quickly. But it was I mean, we've had a zillion these threads lately of

Jessamyn 51:28 summertime coming out. What are we gonna be cooped in? Well,

mathowie 51:32 we've had like three or four variations on I get home from work at five the kids go to sleep at seven. Me and my wife or adults? We're gonna 30s What the hell do we do? We hate TV. What

Jessamyn 51:42 do you realize we were spending two hours on the internet every night for the last two years of our marriage.

mathowie 51:47 Yeah. They're like, we don't want to do that. What else can we do? What games can we play? So this one's like covariant, which is like I get home Friday night from work. I gotta go to work on Monday. What can we do that takes the entire weekend. And it's like, we're like weird games that take all weekend to play. And there's as few answers and a zillion people America's favorite course diplomacy comes up.

Cortex 52:09 Well, you know, speaking of which, actually. There's a new meta talk thread organizing a new round of diplomacy games, for anybody who's interested in getting in on it. Who didn't last time when this came up six months ago. But just I'm just gonna I'm just gonna put it out there and leave it at that. That's all I have to say on this.

mathowie 52:29 We got to there was a popular What was the last 30 days it was a super popular ask me if I thread on like, remember the books show me the books that would teach me about any you know, genre or job. But was it something like tell me one thing you it was more like an action thing?

Jessamyn 52:56 Books about cryptozoology. No, it was like broke is broke. These are all my kind of runner ups. How do I save? How do I shave my junk? That came up. How do I shave my junk? That was awesome.

mathowie 53:12 No, no. Where? What's the link? Was it a male or female?

Jessamyn 53:18 Sorry, it was it was like, you know, testicle shaving questions. I enjoyed it.

mathowie 53:25 It's a it's a dangerous endeavor. I think for both sexes.

Jessamyn 53:27 Yes. I was just surprised how people I don't know.

mathowie 53:35 That was that was the that was the reasoning behind making the anonymous feature entirely. It was people would like email me all the time. I need to know how to shave my junk. Yes, people email go people in that talk that say like, you know, for instance, perhaps you might shave your pew. And how would you asked that? I think you're talking

Jessamyn 53:55 Oh, sorry. I think this is the thread you're talking about. Oh, yeah, my greeter I got your number how?

mathowie 54:08 I forgot that. As I was looking for it. I found the Ferris Bueller thing which became a huge

Jessamyn 54:13 this was not the last podcast or not. No, it wasn't my podcast. Really?

mathowie 54:18 Yeah. So this is this is fair game. What crimes is Ferris Bueller commit during his day off it actually grew way beyond AskMe edit filter everyone loves

Cortex 54:27 Yeah, this kind of exploded on the internet. It was flying around Twitter and ever lose blood. It was

mathowie 54:33 it was fun to aim you know, our well tuned search, you know, expertise towards fun goofy thing that nobody gets hurt on?

Jessamyn 54:42 Yes, yes. Anybody?

mathowie 54:46 Yeah, instead of outing a fake cancer patient or something you know, the same nerd Rage was applied to going through the Illinois state code of laws.

Jessamyn 54:57 Ferris Bueller frame by frame

mathowie 55:00 Yeah. We all win in that sort of situation. So that was awesome.

Jessamyn 55:11 Oh, Jezebel has a worst comment of the day feature.

mathowie 55:16 You want to highlight that

Cortex 55:18 just came up in recent activity. There's never there has been a very long couple of threads in meta talk in the last just in the last week, I guess, one talking about basically, race on meta filter and how it's handled in discussion. That was focusing specifically on a couple of asked Metafilter questions that had had these really sort of clueless New Year. Yeah, yeah, sort of clueless ignorant questions about, you know, what's the deal with black people and flaws sort of thing? You know, where it's kind of a, you can hear the collective head slap? Yeah. And then some of the comments within AskMe meta filter from people saying, well, this is, this is what black people do that got other people saying, What the hell you said, you know, it's, yeah, so it sort of came from that. And it was a very sprawling sort of thread, it was kind of hot under the collar at some points, but actually turned out pretty okay. In general, I think it went pretty well. And then there's one more recently talking about dealing with cruelty to fat people, essentially. And that one's been, I think, bumpier. But uh,

Jessamyn 56:26 but it's certainly talk about a whole bunch of other image issues, which is kind of interesting. And people are talking about, well, hey, you go on Jezebel, and everybody, like, you know, just about claims, you have to be really cool about size acceptance. And then on the other hand, they always make fun of every, you know, female celebrity is a bag of the antlers. And people were saying, but those comments always wind up in decibels worst comment of the day feature, which,

mathowie 56:50 so when you have a feature like that, my hypothesis is people know it and like, become fans of it, and then just try to, you know,

Cortex 56:59 it's possible. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know how much that is likely to happen or not in the Jezebel culture. Exactly. It's it's, it's a place that I don't know well enough to really judge how much that's operating there. But yeah, it's always kind of concerned if you're going to, if you're going to canonize it, but at the same time, maybe there?

Jessamyn 57:17 Maybe there isn't we do.

Cortex 57:21 Yeah, and maybe public shaming is more effective. Maybe maybe people will pile on someone who gets up there so badly that it's an effective deterrent to be featured. I don't know. I mean, it I really don't know what the sort of social dynamic is enough to know what sort of effect positive or negative is having for them. But it is kind of weird. You know, it's, it's, it's something that in principle kind of makes me uncomfortable as sort of a sanctioned way of dealing with it. If what you're trying to do is have like an actual community site, rather than just someone saying, here's the bullshit mail I get for my personal blog,

Jessamyn 57:55 or just like a snarky ad magnet, basically, which is I think, what some people have accused decibel of being from time to time.

mathowie 58:02 Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,

Jessamyn 58:07 how do we, team? Yeah.

Cortex 58:15 I had a good time in New York. It was fine. Oh, yeah.

Jessamyn 58:17 You were in New York. There was a big Mita

mathowie 58:21 It was, yeah, that meetup was loud.

Cortex 58:25 Very loud.

Jessamyn 58:26 I saw some pictures. It looked fun. I was on my way back from the New Jersey Library Association. So I just barely missed you.

Cortex 58:33 Yeah, what's with that time, it

mathowie 58:35 was cheese. It was really cool. It was really cool to have like the private room nerve cells, which at first is the quietest room in the entire bar then became the loudest Yeah. And over the entire bar.

Cortex 58:46 Well, that was funny, because yeah, we had it to ourselves, because the ping superhero would actually set it up and booked it for the night for us. But apparently, it turned out the place that double booked it, so they booked it for us, but they also booked it for some guy doing a comedy act. And he was supposed to like go in at 730 or something. And and so instead of doing anything about it, or even telling us about it, they just tried to wait us out. And then I guess it started to go in at like nine o'clock or something or something like nine ish, I want to say, and they just decided to set up anyway, so we collectively moved to another place and I stopped and get palm fruits on the right. Yeah. Bunch of a bunch of fries and a big paper cone with some some sauce on them. And you

Jessamyn 59:33 go to New York and you start speaking French,

Cortex 59:36 I guess. Yeah.

mathowie 59:37 Belgian fair. Yeah. That was fun. How would you think of the conference?

Cortex 59:42 I enjoyed it. I still don't really entirely know what it was. I not really clear on what it was about in any concrete sense, but it was a fun time. The speakers were by and large, interesting. It was great hearing. Bruce milski played a fiddle like that and And the workshops on the first day were fun. It was neat meeting Aaron McKean.

Jessamyn 1:00:05 And you did a big chunk of Cha. Yeah, those slides online anywhere. I would like to they are

Cortex 1:00:09 even slides I can, I can send them out, I'll track him down. It's just it's literally like 18 or 19 URLs that I loaded up in tabs in Firefox, so I hadn't like prepared at all. Oh, sweet. I just sort of threw it together while I was there. So anyway, I was just talking about the theme was basically how to spot a spammer on metal filter. So I could try and make a sort of recap of the presentation. Maybe it's just I think

Jessamyn 1:00:33 it would go viral. I think it would be cool. I'd like to see it. Yeah, but don't don't

mathowie 1:00:37 reveal too much secret sauce. Yeah. Keep it a hand waving. It's basically a recipe on how to trick it.

Cortex 1:00:43 Don't make it a manual. Right. But yeah, so that yeah, that was fun. And and doing some soldering was cool with the the folks that resistor. Who made that I think there's a post about it. The the make bot, I think it was called. It's like a robot that creates

Jessamyn 1:01:00 robots. Oh, no, well, I'm

Cortex 1:01:03 not sure if it makes other robots, although I think they have used it to make its own parts for other versions of it. But it's like it uses I think they use sort of like a heatable plastic as material to build 3d models of things based out of input to it. So it just sort of lays down layers of this plastic to create a solid object of whatever your 3d model is. So it's pretty badass fat. Yeah. So yeah, that was that was pretty neat. It was a good time. Good. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for sending me the New York man that was

Jessamyn 1:01:38 no problem. Thanks for being and not going long here.

Cortex 1:01:41 Hey, thanks for thanks for bailing on that thing. So I can take your place just right. I'm so

Jessamyn 1:01:45 happy it all worked out great.

Cortex 1:01:49 I did introduce myself in a couple of cases as Hi I'm here because Jessamyn isn't and so that was kind of fun.

Jessamyn 1:01:57 Terrific. Terrific.

mathowie 1:01:59 All right, cool. Let's call it a day and I'll send you the recordings I guess Josh Okey dokey

Jessamyn 1:02:05 I'll upload and where I do nice talking to you gentlemen. All right going down said before that as I think about the last smile a smile so I want better because today is just days around staring blankly at the wall Why did you Why were you as laughs got a smile caravan. So our guest today is just Days. Going to go Bastion wearing leather off NIOSH seeds with sand for that. As I've talked about the last smile In this days just days