Podcast 31 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 31: The Big Picture (2008-08-28).

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Unknown Speaker 0:07 Gentlemen, welcome to the metal filter podcast.

mathowie 0:12 Welcome to Episode 31 of the metaphor podcast this episode features an interview with Alan Taylor otherwise known as Kodiak on meta filter he's done the big picture most recently for the Boston Globe and tons a little web hacks over the last decade or so. Other than that, we've got recaps from around meta filter with Jessamyn and myself

Unknown Speaker 0:32 not commented on in the in the past seven days, dot dot dot space, the need for the FBI in your life in your life. In your life,

mathowie 0:49 they ask you to username Anthony, you explained on your site.

Jessamyn 0:53 It doesn't have anything to do with the Anteater. That's the icon with the what? The anteater Don't you have an anteater icon

kokogiak 1:00 looks like an anteater. It's not an anteater. No, it's a little tiny version of a gigantic, it's theoretical animal, mythological animal.

Jessamyn 1:11 It's not an anteater. No,

kokogiak 1:12 it's not it's not like a polar bear.

mathowie 1:15 That's what the Kodiak is supposed to be. It is the Alaskan to macabre or something. Yeah.

kokogiak 1:24 What's kind of cool though, is it's the legend. It's all over the Arctic, the northern Greenland northern Canada, northern Alaska and Russia. Everyone has this legend that this 10 legged polar bear stories have it with his head being like 10 feet wide and it's this massive creature

Jessamyn 1:39 we don't have this in Vermont.

mathowie 1:43 Where did it come from? And how did it get shared like people walked along and ice shelf and told other people like

kokogiak 1:49 I have no idea but they found carvings of it in one place they found stories of it and another place they found drawings of in another place. And yeah, it was just kind of this shared legend. The story I heard was something along the lines of a hunter who was kind of up to no good went out there he was kind of a lazy Hunter and you went out and was challenged by the cocoa Jack managed to defeat it learned his lesson something along those lines.

Jessamyn 2:17 And you used to live in Alaska I'm looking at your Google Map mashup which looks like you were down somewhere and what anchorage Do you know, where did you live in Alaska?

kokogiak 2:26 I was in Anchorage for I was a tour guide for Holland America, which meant that I worked there in the summers I stayed there one winter. And then I worked for them offseason driving all across the United States and Canada. So most of the time based in Anchorage a couple of years in Valdez

Jessamyn 2:43 was that an awesome job? Or did it suck?

kokogiak 2:46 That was it dependent? You know, when you when you when you get out of your 20s than your 20s you start to look back on and go oh, those are fun. And you kind of forget about the about the harder parts like having no life other than work and things like that, but

Jessamyn 3:03 it's sleeping on a skanky mat on someone's floor. Yeah. And

kokogiak 3:07 not minding you know, then

mathowie 3:10 you're only in Alaska for a little bit. This Yeah, this

Jessamyn 3:14 map says five years, three

kokogiak 3:16 years. Yeah, four or five, something like that.

mathowie 3:19 There's something about Alaska and that people identify with it really strongly when they've been there i i just have history of people who people, friends who you know, live somewhere else, but at one time are either born or raised in Alaska, and you'll know it and you'll know it for the rest of your life. So like the Kodiak name I just assumed you were like born and bred in Alaska.

kokogiak 3:40 Well, I picked that name because I wrote a book about a small town in Alaska and when I was writing the book and reading the how to publish your own book books, which are always picks others one of the first things I said was in order to deal with all these companies that do publishing and printing, etc, etc. You need to be a company yourself. So pick a name. And that just happened to be top of mind to pick a name for my book company, self publishing company. And then that

Jessamyn 4:11 was available I'm sure right. Yeah, it was.

mathowie 4:15 And you did the did you do a book on that little Alaskan town with a tunnel on the train that Yeah.

transition to talking about big picture stuff. I've heard the stories of how you got it started. Do you sort of you came up the idea right, or you were doing Yeah, well, I can't. We can't publish this. I know. It's like It's like saying Voldemort or something.

Jessamyn 4:55 Oh, yeah. All my jokes from 4chan.

mathowie 4:59 Was it Was it that like you got such a good reception on the site that won't be named that you decided, hey, I should just make this public and make a blog out of it. That would be cool.

kokogiak 5:09 Oh, yeah, that was kind of it. I mean, it was, what I was doing on the site, which will not be named was kind of what you see on a lot of, you know, Russian blogs and things like now where people just, people just gather images from all over the place. Don't worry about credit, or copyright or anything like that. Stack them and make a make a little story out of it.

mathowie 5:29 It's really hard as like, mi fi, you know, mod admins to like, we delete, like half of those. I mean, always, it's always Russian. Why is that? But yeah, like just grabbing images from 20 different sites and making this thing is covered in pictures are amazing. Yeah. Like, do we keep that Olympic one up? I mean,

Jessamyn 5:51 yeah, we did. Because we're boobies in it.

kokogiak 5:55 One, one brief? Yeah.

Jessamyn 5:58 Four times in the thread. I was

mathowie 6:02 like, Yeah, I felt the I didn't like seeing the not Not Safe For Work mentioned is that everyone would scroll down looking for that? Because it was really like, there's so many funny photos that I thought were amazing. Yeah.

Jessamyn 6:16 Yeah, posting like incredible. Like I knew you first. I mean, besides on metal filter, your crazy astronomy stuff that just made its way? I mean, the first place I saw it was on Flickr. Yeah. Like, your particular I don't know, the backstory on that. Was it your particular thing? Or were you just really into it? Or was that what you were using Flickr for? Or? I mean, I guess we'll start backwards and work forwards a little bit?

kokogiak 6:40 Sure, it was, you know, I've always been a fan of space exploration since I was a kid when I, I remember sending a mail off a fan mail off to NASA, when the Apollo Soyuz thing was happening when they were actually docking the two and it was a big deal. And they sent me back this massive packet of, you know, basically PR photos and things like that, but I was in heaven. That's the coolest thing ever. And, you know, that just sort of stoked a lifelong love of that sort of thing. And with Cassini hooligans, it's kind of like, you know, when, when, when I was a developer, and Amazon opened up their API, I thought, Oh, my God raw data, I can go in there and do whatever I want with it. And when the with a Saturn mission, and Cassini Huygens, they opened up all their raw images, they said, Here you go, look at him. And I thought, how cool, everyone's going to be looking at these. But nobody wanted to comb through 1000s and 1000s of images and find really interesting ones. I didn't find anybody highlighting them the way that I liked. So I just started doing that since I was spending the time there looking at him anyhow, I figured I'd snag the ones that I want their public domain,

Jessamyn 7:47 and six other public domain, which is awesome, right? Yeah. So

kokogiak 7:51 I just would put them somewhere, but I didn't have any place really, particularly to put them. And I thought maybe Flickr would be good for this. And I know, they weren't too thrilled with you know, people putting photos up that aren't actually photos taken by me. But it work on

Jessamyn 8:07 I like to pretend you took them. I like to think of you as like this, this Aardvark kind of astronaut creature. Because icon I think is a Aardvark, though you've cleared that up for me in space, taking these pictures of Jupiter and the moons and those kinds of things. I mean, you were one of my really Flickr following people.

kokogiak 8:29 You can't just let people think of you, sorry.

mathowie 8:35 Well, you take photos, and you could probably take a photo with a telescope.

kokogiak 8:42 Yeah, I take photos, but I can never make them be what I want them to be. That's the frustrating bit. I was telling somebody that and they said, you know, sound like a born photo editor. It's always been a frustration, I can look at a scene, I can know exactly how I want it to look in the camera. But I just can't make the damn little box do the thing I want to do. I can take 20 pictures and look at them all and I don't like any of them.

Jessamyn 9:05 Do you feel Photoshop in that regard? Well, because people do that a lot. They're like, well, I couldn't get like the two people standing next to each other. So I just took these two photos and then you know,

kokogiak 9:18 depends on the content. Yeah, I mean, if it's a family photo, yeah, I'm gonna take you know, you know if my dad's got a fly on his cheek when in the family photo, Photoshop that out no problem. But where I am now and photos that I'm doing are purportedly news, which means reportedly truth, which means I don't touch it, other than to crop and maybe do contrast once in a once in a blue moon. I don't touch anything on

mathowie 9:44 that even contrast can be a contentious issue. Yeah,

kokogiak 9:49 I think that I just do that if I think it looks particularly too dark or too light just aesthetically but yeah, I mean, there can be connotation you know if it's somebody's face really? No, I'm not gonna do that.

mathowie 10:04 I'm amazed at. Yeah, especially with people's faces, but still just like scenes, you know, I guess war scenes. It's a big deal you can't possibly touch.

kokogiak 10:14 Yeah, well, everything you get is somebody's snapshot, you know, you're never gonna the that's the one of the most, one of the most surprising things about big pictures. I can hardly seem to put anything up without some sort of controversy

Jessamyn 10:33 about any of those are they all like probably like, they're

kokogiak 10:36 all They're all obvious in the comments. But my favorite one recently was I put up a a celebration of the new King of Tonga so small. Was that picture? Yeah, was that? Well, if you scroll down, and there you see there's this giant, basically a gigantic luau celebration, where they have over 100 pigs. And there were people who were upset in saying that vegans who didn't want to see dead pigs laid out

mathowie 11:02 are delicious. That's a lot of pigs, though. But celebration

kokogiak 11:07 was a lot of pigs and they weren't too upset. They just said, it would have been nice to have a little this may be graphic disclaimer and ask for

Jessamyn 11:17 the more images part. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I'm scrolling down looking at it right now

mathowie 11:23 might not be such a people mood.

kokogiak 11:26 Yeah. And you know, I love when,

mathowie 11:28 yeah, that is gross. It's a little gross.

kokogiak 11:32 It's a little gross. But yeah. I think it's fun when that sort of thing happens. Because by the time I see it, and think to have anything to respond to, there's already like five or six other people responding to whatever's going on. And I just, I'm fine. Just let you know, you you in the comments, have your conversation amongst yourselves. I don't need to step in and take a particular position. You know, it's sorry, as my

Jessamyn 11:55 life that's cool. Well, how much does it

mathowie 11:58 even? Does it even need comments? The big picture?

kokogiak 12:02 You know, it's becoming half the story these days?

mathowie 12:05 Is it getting our entries getting better with people's comments? Because I mean, since it's still what, like only two months old or something? I don't I seem to scroll down and every, the first 20 comments are like great photos. And it's so hard not to do that, you know, I've done that myself. I've said these are awesome. I like that one.

kokogiak 12:26 Yeah, you know, it's in the sense, the entries don't go away, you know, since they stay there forever. It's kind of fun to see how they develop over time. In some cases, the comments are more almost more than the photos. And in other cases, they're Yeah, they're a whole bunch of people go on cool, neat, you know, like volcanoes, what can you say about volcanoes? Those are neat. Those are scary, or share your own story. Yeah. And

Jessamyn 12:54 keep doing that.

kokogiak 12:56 Yeah, I do. And the one where the comments are actually more than the photos, I think, is that I've done two on fires in California. And the second one, had some phenomenal photographs. And I started watching after about maybe 40 or 50 comments, and people started using the comments box there as a way to express gratitude to the firefighters. And then they started passing the link around so people, I it seemed to me and I'm totally reading in this but it just you can read through the comments and see for yourself. It seemed to me there was this massive pent up need to express gratitude to the people who are working so hard at fighting these fires. And you know, especially, you know, the volunteers, the people out on the line, and people who had friends and family and they were looking for a way to do that. And they found this, I'm sure they found millions of different ways. But they found this way in for a lot of them. They said, here's a place where I can say thank you. And they didn't necessarily direct it in anybody but to the firefighters I guess and hope that the firefighters might see it or just a way to express it. But it was really amazing.

Jessamyn 14:05 Well, and you get the kind of comments that I mean, I think lots of places are sort of I mean, I'm looking at the opening Olympic ceremony thing and there's 2000 comments. Am I reading that

mathowie 14:15 correctly? You're right over.

Jessamyn 14:19 I mean, a lot of these have like, you know, 5060 whatever hadron collider 1700 Like what's happening when those things take off? You guys press places. I mean,

kokogiak 14:30 the the Olympics, the opening ceremony won a lot of it. A lot of it is proud Chinese people, expats and people who live there, people who were like, wow, I can't believe that. The Western media is giving us a fair shake. I can't believe that we are seeing this without you know, it being framed as the evil empire or whatever. And then a whole bunch of them just a many, many of them in Chinese thing go China, I'm so proud, so happy, so beautiful. And they were so excited. And that's it because it's so largely visual and almost no text. It's, it's the most internationally successful thing I've ever done. I can't read more than half of the comments and blog links to it anymore. They're all in Russian or Farsi or over Korean and I have no idea what's going on. If I go and do a rough translation once in a while, I'll see that, you know, it's people just saying, Wow, great side or not so nice pictures, but once in a while it's somebody American spreading lies about the war. And I said, Yeah, you know, things like that. And it's interesting. Wow,

Jessamyn 15:42 do you get that in trackbacks? Does the blog have trackbacks? Or do you just see it when you're like checking your own stats and referrers and stuff like that?

kokogiak 15:49 Yeah, I get I get referred. So it's, it's, it gets a lot of a lot of traffic. And so for sure, I ended up watching referrers, just to kind of see where it's coming from, because it being a property of boston.com. And they're interested in who their audience coming in is, and since their audience has historically been largely local, you know, great, great for local local advertisers. This is definitely not local. And so they're still, you know, trying to figure out how, you know, what's the ad sales aspect to it?

Jessamyn 16:23 Do they love you? Do they love you?

kokogiak 16:26 They do, they still don't quite know what to do. It's still just a part time thing. You know, it's,

mathowie 16:33 like hours a week do you spend on it? Um,

kokogiak 16:36 it used to be two to three hours. It depends. It's, it's somewhere between two and four hours for each post.

Jessamyn 16:43 Do you do come? Oh, sorry, Matt.

mathowie 16:45 Yeah, I was wondering, do you have like some sort of Lightroom app where you look at 2000 at once, or you just do searches in a Getty secret world to find.

kokogiak 16:55 It's kind of like the second part, we have a we have a, a web interface to on our own internal network, a list of wire feed photos that come through, and I can see, I have to page through but I can see I think 618 or 20 at a time. And I've written a bunch of Greasemonkey scripts to it myself hotkeys and go through stuff really fast. And, and I can zip through it really quick. Yeah, so it's not you do

Jessamyn 17:26 comment moderation at all? Like, do you do some none? Are there other people that are involved in that? Or? You do almost all of

kokogiak 17:34 it? Almost all? Well, I had the only time I wasn't, was when I was on vacation. Last week, I had somebody else watching them

Jessamyn 17:39 actually went on vacation. Yeah,

kokogiak 17:41 I was on vacation. What was that? Like? You mean, being on vacation or being away from being away from your web? It was okay. I had, I went to visit family back in Seattle family and friends and in Washington State. And I was on the web off and on for the first week. And then the second week just sort of signed off for a while. It was nice.

mathowie 18:03 Sweet. And the post has 60 comments, say I wouldn't be on vacation. 50 comments?

kokogiak 18:09 Yeah, so that's what you get. It's weird. I look at those. And I still, I don't know, it almost feels like they're talking about some character that I play once in a while. I don't know. I don't know how to react to that yet. But yeah, it is. It is interesting. And I tried to keep it personal. I mean, because it is personal. You know, it's, it's, you're a real guy. Yeah. And I see a lot of other places didn't Yeah, there's there's a lot of other sites that are doing very similar things these days, funnily enough, and, but they don't seem quite corporate still, you know, or from a large entity. You know,

mathowie 18:45 I would say, if this becomes super popular, and, you know, there's all these copycat sites, if you ever get pressure, I think the thing that makes it work amazing is that you first wait for something to happen, then you wait for like appropriate distance. And then you do a post about something. And it's awesome that it's not up to the minute that it's like his great Compendium A few days later. And I could totally see like an editor. If this became like a money making operation. Boston would be like, dude, the night of finishing, you must have a post with 35 photos or something. Don't go to bed, right? Yeah, that would suck that would like suck. Yeah, the magic out of it.

kokogiak 19:26 So far, I've only had one or two times where I've felt some pressure, either either indirect or direct to do certain things. And it's, it's been tough. And so anytime, but you know, 99% of the time, I'm really left alone to my own whims, my own news, whatever, and just put these things together.

mathowie 19:46 Yeah, I imagine any copycat site would be more interested in timeliness and low quality. You know, just getting something out there to

kokogiak 19:54 Well, I don't know. I mean, there are a few and I'm not afraid to name them. I'm actually going to you know, when I do a blog, roll a minute Do this. So the Denver Post has won. The Sacramento Bee has won and Wall Street Journal has won. And that was the kind of that happened while I was gone on vacation. The Wall Street Journal came out with one, they didn't just copy the look, but actually use the title, the big picture.

mathowie 20:21 And eggs,

kokogiak 20:23 and so they changed the name. And they actually said, you know, in the comments of

Jessamyn 20:28 synthesist like, Well,

kokogiak 20:31 no, no, no, because it's a very common name. You know, there's actually another blog out there, called the big picture, which is all about finance. And he was yelling and screaming when I put mine out. And, you know, to me, it's like, it's a pretty common title. And I'm not, I'm not really married to the title necessarily. It's the format and the story. So

mathowie 20:50 the Wall Street Journal, and that, it's,

kokogiak 20:53 I think it's blogs.wsj.com/photo journal, they changed the name sense. And somewhere in the comments, there's, there's an acknowledgement that they, you know, got inspired by the big picture and among other sites,

mathowie 21:08 oh, my fucking god. Did they? Did they have access to your publishing template? Holy shit, it's exactly the same.

Jessamyn 21:18 URL, though. Just goes to like the driest 404 I have ever seen. Check that out, man.

mathowie 21:24 How that looks like the big picture. Oh, I know. Wow.

kokogiak 21:28 Yeah. And, you know, and to be to be honest here. I actually don't mind. And I kind of kind of actually like the fact that there, there are copycat sites out there for two reasons. And this might sound kind of pretentious, but one, if they're good, awesome, more good photography out there and large format. If they're not job security for me, you know, it's a way for me to go to my, my bosses, who may want to change the way I do things. And say, it's not about pictures being big. It's not about it's not about name photographers. It's about editorial choice, and presentation. And so I look at some of the sites that have put up pictures. And yeah, the pictures are interesting, mostly because they're big, or because they're from a particular photographer who's got really something interesting to say. But some of them, you know, just in my opinion, my personal opinion, not so exciting to look at the whole group of photos, you know, and it's but if they're, but there are some that have really good ones and when they do, great, you know, I don't I don't have a need to corner the market on big images. That's that's kind of silly. Yeah.

mathowie 22:40 Wow, I can't believe that the total rip off Wall Street turtle. Astounding. Wow, oh, my God. They don't

Jessamyn 22:49 get the web. You know, please make us something that looks like this. And then they don't pay their web team enough. And then the web team is like, well, this is pretty much yeah, what? Oh, man.

mathowie 23:00 This is funny. And you should delete this guy, Eric Stoller. I just saw him on it. posts on your site going, I liked these photos. And here's my blog and this URL. And then he goes, he leaves a comment every single Wall Street Journal 196. This is my blog.

kokogiak 23:16 Well, he was one of the people shouting loudly in their first post. Pays nice, nice rip off of boston.com Blah,

mathowie 23:23 blah, blah. But here's my blog. Everyone go look at Yeah, you know,

kokogiak 23:27 there's about five or six people who, when I first started, they started posting and I didn't really have a comment policy, per se. And I thought, well, I'll you know, I'll let these people get through and then Then suddenly, there were a lot more I'm like, Okay, so I've got these five or six in my head that I just sort of grandfather. Yeah, they get to plug their blog until I establish a policy that says nobody gets to put their blog, or

mathowie 23:50 is this gonna be another SEO hole that people can?

kokogiak 23:53 It is and I junk, almost everything that has a URL in it, except if it's really relevant, that makes moderating fun.

mathowie 24:02 I am astounded. They just totally fucking copied it. I mean, unbelievable. Stupid. What's his name?

kokogiak 24:10 I think the Denver Post

Jessamyn 24:11 I forget looking at their blog right now.

mathowie 24:15 Are you looking at their beautiful on a dark background? Yeah, I

kokogiak 24:19 think I think they've done a really nice job in the Sacramento Bee one. I forget what they call

Jessamyn 24:25 it. We've got them all in a in a chat with like sac bees slash static slash web blog slash photos. They're clearly working within a CMS. Yeah, yeah.

kokogiak 24:35 Yeah, that was so when I was putting mine together. I asked a couple of people. Is this okay, can I do this? You know, basically, since I'm not editorial, I'm a developer. And I'm sort of wandering over to the editorial world. And after I got enough people to sort of, you know, agreeably shrug and let me do this. I stopped asking questions. I stopped asking things like I didn't ask like, how many ads do I have to put on here or What format does it have to be on? Or what URL does it have to have, I just did it my way that I wanted to, I figured I better make this better to make this exactly how I want it from the beginning. And backtrack if I need to make changes than the other way. And so

Jessamyn 25:14 I gave it a really easy to remember to ask forgiveness than permission. Exactly. So I

kokogiak 25:19 gave it a really easy to remember URL and and gave it a format that's larger than anything else on the site, and only one ad per page. So no, click through no page after page. Nothing. Just, that's just how I wanted it to be.

mathowie 25:36 I see one good idea you can steal the Denver Post, each photo has a permalink. Like you click the photo is just the photo.

kokogiak 25:46 Yeah, I've got I've got some, I got some things that I need to catch up. If I can catch a breath. Yeah, I want to I want to put numbers next to each of the images. So people can refer to them in comments and say, Hey, picture number 16. So you don't have to actually count the images, give each one a permalink. So you can link directly to them. And have easier access to archives. And the thing definitely took off way, way, way more than I thought it was going to so that's

mathowie 26:11 like a visual archive almost look like a Flickr stream, you know of like, something along those lines cross or something?

kokogiak 26:18 Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure how I want to do it. Yeah.

Jessamyn 26:23 Is the CMS did you build this? Or is this using some Boston back end thing that you just had to suit your

kokogiak 26:29 it's movable type. I mean, it's just, it's just a template that I that I had to put together. And I you know, so the process, the process is, I go through all the images that I want, if I'm going to do something big, like for the most recent one I did, just this morning was the final week and the closing ceremonies of the Olympics, I think I gathered about 70 images out of over the past week. And basically 70 good images, and then in my opinion, good and then gather those into Photoshop, kind of do a tile horizontal. So I've just got little tiles all over the place of each image. And very quickly, you know, cut out the bad ones, anything that's repetitive, anything that's, you know, kind of if I if I look at and go, it's out, and I ended up with 39 Total out of the 70 I started with and then scaled them all, to the right size, do a little bit of hand cropping where I need to where I want to save them upload them, I have a script that will take those images and create the raw HTML with all the correct image sizes, height and width and everything in Photoshop. And then I take that script or I take the result of that script, paste the captions in that are appropriate. And then type up the title and add a couple links and boom, there's the post.

Jessamyn 27:49 And the captions aren't yours, right, they come along with the images from whatever the

kokogiak 27:53 image is, and with all the baggage that they have with them too. So yeah, there's always typos there's always miss identifications there's There's always problems and everybody notices those and I'm usually

Jessamyn 28:06 fix those or buyer do licenses mean that you can't touch those. So no,

kokogiak 28:10 I can actually I can I can I can do whatever I want pretty much to the to the captions, as long as I got proper credit. don't even really need a caption as far as I can tell, I all I need is proper photo credit to the to the agency and the photographer. Okay. But, you know, I always think that the captions add something to it. And in some places, they're unnecessary. But, you know, with everybody reading the comedy reading where people put in the comments, most people seem to think that I'm the one writing all. And I'm like, yeah, there's that. And it's kind of hard to put the same eye to every single caption when you're trying to get through this in a day. It's hard

mathowie 28:51 to tell I was gonna ask you how much editing you do have those? I mean, they seem they seem like they're provided, but sometimes you can't tell is it and

kokogiak 28:59 and the captions are meant to be standalone. So if you get something where it's all of one event, it can be very repetitive.

mathowie 29:06 Yeah. Is is the Associated Press or getty images or Reuters. Like are they interested in you guys selling the photos on their behalf? Like could you click to order a big printed version of them and they would get some kickbacks someday?

kokogiak 29:20 I don't know how that would work. All I know so far is that the people who have sent me mail asking how can I buy that I have to refer them to the other companies where it came from and I know I'm the only one who followed up with me after the fact was a woman who contacted Getty and she wanted to buy something from the Tour de France I can't remember which which photo but she said that the print was that she was looking at that they they quoted her a price of 400 something and so I don't really know what the exact century I'm gonna actually

mathowie 29:50 yeah, totally follow up with the Boston Globe itself because that can be a revenue generator for everyone involved.

kokogiak 29:57 I think we can only sell photos that we take ourselves and And I don't know if they have any kind of affiliate program or anything that we go through our partners if they do, yeah, that'd be great. Yeah.

mathowie 30:05 I mean, you basically got a giant supermarket of photographs. And people want to pull them off the shelves and take them to the checkout line. But there's no cash register. They should be interested in like, Yeah, we could automate that. And you could get $1 to kick back and

kokogiak 30:25 Oh, wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, that's, that's the thing. My wife keeps saying to me. And you're putting all this extra work in? Yeah. And you still have to do your old job. And you're seeing any extra benefit from this how?

Jessamyn 30:38 It's fun, like people think I'm a genius. I saw your name and National Geographic last week. That was what kicked off this whole. We should talk to him thing.

kokogiak 30:51 Yeah, it was unrelated to big picture. But yeah, it was a National Geographic. And it's, I have to explain to my kids, I'm not famous, internet famous. And so that means

Jessamyn 31:00 the National Geographic is a magazine, you

mathowie 31:04 know, what was my? What did they cover in the National Geographic?

kokogiak 31:09 A thing that I did a while ago on my blog was the, my personal blog was how far is the farthest distance you could plot on Google Maps? Oh, right. And that just came from a competition. I think it was on another site, I can't remember where. But it was just a little competition, see how far and we figured out that you could go from way out on the Aleutian Islands, from they're taking ferries and then get onto the mainland and go all across North America to someplace up in Newfoundland or Nova Scotia. And it was like 7000 miles or 7500 miles or something like that. Yeah, somebody saw that referred it to National Geographic, and they did the reporting. And they did a massive amount of error checking or not error checking, but what is it where they call you back? And make sure to check that fact check. And

Jessamyn 32:01 you'll really say this on your blog, and you're still there, isn't it? Yeah. Your

kokogiak 32:05 name really? Alan Taylor. Yes. We know that for what it was like a paragraph

Jessamyn 32:09 10 Like a polar bear? Yeah, I took a picture of it, actually, and put it up on Flickr. In fact, I should, I should, and friended only, so that we can link it to the podcast, but um, yeah, I put it up on Flickr and was like, Oh, hey, you know, that's awesome. Because I always think of you as the guy that lives near my mom. Oh,

kokogiak 32:31 yeah. It's hard to say without sounding Cavalier. But I've, I've had stuff that I've done in a lot of different magazines now in just small ways and big ways. So it's cool. And it's a big magazine. But it's the I don't know if you saw there's a thing I did a while ago on the solar system. 88 largest bodies in the solar system. And it's just a very long image of whole bunch of planets. Yes. Scrolling. Yeah, there's a Polish astronomy magazine that use that as a centerfold. And put that on there. And

Jessamyn 33:04 Polish centerfold on your resume then, right. Awesome. Yes.

kokogiak 33:10 And there's one I did a mega Penny project a long time ago. You know, just visualizing big numbers. And that was featured in a little, little sidebar in Playboy magazine once. And that was hilarious going around my neighborhood. Since I don't subscribe to Playboy, and I wanted a copy of it. I had to go to all these little thrift stores in Seattle, or convenience stores and say, Do you sell Playboy magazine? What am I gonna say? I am in it. I've got something and it was funny because they

Jessamyn 33:43 deal with that now. Yeah.

mathowie 33:45 I literally need it for the articles Shut up.

kokogiak 33:49 Really? No, no pennies. No, nevermind.

mathowie 33:54 So ironically, National Geographic seems like a huge influence on the big picture. Because it just reminds me of paging through a National Geographic about something.

kokogiak 34:03 Yeah, yeah, it is. My mom. We had growing up, we always had, you know, Life magazine and National Geographic in the house that was, you know, all over the place. And I absolutely love those, especially, you know, in life when you get to the center part of Life magazine, the old the old version. And just like, here's a spread on, you know, some small village in Turkey. Wow. And then it would take up the whole page, bleed off the border, and really just take you there completely, and very little text enough to just kind of give you a sense of where you were, but it was so visual, and I really love that.

mathowie 34:37 Yeah. Well, I think that's about it.

Jessamyn 34:42 Anything else you would like to tell the people for metal filter we haven't talked about metal filter pretty much at all. I think we have to know I am

kokogiak 34:49 such a lurker on meta filter these days, but I still it's still in my RSS feed and I read it all the time and AskMe edit filter is one of my best friends. Although it is the level of traffic and AskMe at have filters. Wow, there's a lot of

Jessamyn 35:04 question this week. Yeah, it's not. We had our 100,000 numbered question this week, which isn't a literal 100,000 question, but it is question number 100000.

mathowie 35:16 That's kind of you gotta you gotta like track the popular.

Jessamyn 35:21 Go to the my ask section and just look for like questions about planets

mathowie 35:25 or you could just track tag names and are there ways to cut it down? Yeah, it's a bit. Yeah. That's about it, though. All right, thanks.

kokogiak 35:37 Yeah, no problem. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker 35:39 I never know I have a lot of such spunk as the alligator fighter. Young Devin funk, battled beast. Way down in the slide l when Devin lost his arm. But Devin lived down in the water Crystal Lake lurking below.

Jessamyn 36:04 Oh, but the big thing on music actually was the leaven, the legend of Devon funk and the young Devin funk songs from literally two days ago. I don't know if you saw them, but it's another one of these like, Astro zombie love fests. Basically, cold chef. Cold chef did a sort of a post about a boy who lost his arm battling an alligator. Yeah. And then Astro zombie wrote the words and I think just read them. And then cortex turn them into an actual song. And of course cortex is a genius. And B doesn't do enough. Music lately, I think and so. Yeah, there was a meta talk post about it as well.

mathowie 36:49 Ah, that's fun. Synergy. Synergy, baby.

Jessamyn 36:53 Yeah, so it was like fixed gear Astro zombie cold chef cortex. I hope I'm not leaving anyone out there who did the words no Astro zombie did the words 100 solid favorites.

mathowie 37:07 Someday think of some mechanism to make collaborations more possible like all this back end. backroom stuff doesn't have to be a new music posts like I did the lyrics. Here's the drums you know, you can sort of be like here's the finished product of these four people. And you can go back and listen each part of it if you want to make your own mix so much stuff you could do

Jessamyn 37:32 it's an interesting idea. Well there's somebody right now and meta talk talking about allowing people to upload musical parts to metal music. Music metal talk Oh yeah. Music

mathowie 37:45 talk calm I forget that it exists sometimes.

Jessamyn 37:48 I check in on it just because you know I like to see that people are using it but you know I'm not much of a musician. I do the occasional not on display collaborations and that's pretty much it. So and you know, minor unrecognizable.

mathowie 38:02 Singing oh my god people talking about how to do throat singing

Jessamyn 38:07 do throat singing is awesome. Our throat singing Do you know how to do

mathowie 38:11 it? No, God no. When you do the full on not just the guttural up and down at the same time. It's impossible. Well,

Jessamyn 38:23 it's not impossible. It's just hard.

mathowie 38:25 It's impossible. This is awesome. How to do it.

Jessamyn 38:29 Sweet. Oh, and then there was the thing about Iggy and the Stooges equipment stolen, which I did hear about and yeah, it's fun. I'm just I'm happy that the music talk thing is really is really seems to be taking off. I

mathowie 38:43 mean metaphor. I

Jessamyn 38:44 got a metal filter. Filter.

mathowie 38:46 We usually do metal filter first, I

Jessamyn 38:48 think let me see what's on

mathowie 38:51 greaser gangs that was awesome. Just bizarro.

Jessamyn 38:57 Pretty sure gangs did not see. Tell me a little bit about it.

mathowie 39:01 Someone's website's history of Chicago's greaser gangs of the 60s and 70s like young white men trying to be like Fonzie 50s Greasers but

Jessamyn 39:11 oh, like December that was a December blog post. Boy has a lot of really good posts like every now and again. I've been noticing like oh, just Oh boy. Oh, boy again. Oh, wow. This is funny. Yeah. And

mathowie 39:24 it's all about like sort of racially motivated, you know, gang activity. And they all had like cards. They had interesting ephemeral bits. Like the websites if you click them have like, their calling card and they beat someone up or something. They're just like, kind of ridiculous. So I'm even adopted like, not the symbols and

Jessamyn 39:43 stuff. The all mighty Gaylords that for laughing at

mathowie 39:47 that. I know. I know. Like yeah, how could you be a tough guy named Gaylord

Jessamyn 39:53 Wow, the world changes right? Yeah.

mathowie 39:58 Oh, the Shire. That was my favorite post was the The Hobbit themed resort development out in Oregon out and bend like totally ridiculous round doors hobbit holes you know like bats roofs in foreclosure they built like one or two model homes and then the whole thing went difficult foreclosure

Jessamyn 40:24 doesn't foreclosure mean that like we can go buy it for pennies on the dollar

mathowie 40:28 yeah apparently so yeah they sell one giant Hobbit whole house that was worth 800 grand for like, you know a few 100 grand or a couple of 100 grand or something? Yeah. If you really Oh, what if you really wanted the hobbit hole house? Yeah.

Jessamyn 40:43 Good. And if I wanted to live in Bend Oregon, yeah. Which has like one of the largest lava tube caves in in the country and believes

mathowie 40:52 place to visit but I don't know about living there.

Jessamyn 40:56 Oh, and I think we have to mention the video the posts that I believe nobody has clicked all the links in like one of those like save for future reference. flibbertigibbet presidential campaign videos. Yes,

mathowie 41:08 this must have taken days to research.

Jessamyn 41:11 And this other one, which was a little like simpler to do, but I also kind of liked it was the literary voyeurism. It links to a lot of different pages on the Guardian, but it's all about like, where writers write or like, what's on the bookshelves of famous people, that kind of thing. You know, big props to my book, reading homies

mathowie 41:32 as a billion length. Yeah, there's something for everyone in the presidential campaign is you can just scan over the text and like, click on the ones you like that sound interesting and stuff. Well, well, exactly.

Jessamyn 41:45 And you know, I felt like flibbertigibbet was good at being like, this was a really annoying introduction, by the way, and broke certain things up into little pieces. And the thing that was so interesting to me is it goes all the way back to like 6468 Like a lot of that stuff was not only televised but very heavily covered and so you know, the DayZ ads, remember the days yet, I mean, all that kind of stuff, you can still find it on YouTube and pretty good. in pretty good shape.

mathowie 42:13 So a pretty good demonstration of why it's cool to have the inline YouTube player because you can not leave your place pretty easily. I just use Command click middle click on the mouse wheel.

Jessamyn 42:29 What middle click

mathowie 42:31 if you have like a Microsoft Mouse of the wheel in the middle, you push down on it usually opens in a new tab.

Jessamyn 42:38 Oh, I never knew what that shit does. No, I have like the crazy mouse with like the.in the middle you know the iMac

mathowie 42:44 Oh yeah, hate that. Just Oh really. I

Jessamyn 42:48 hated it for like 30 seconds and now I'm in love with it.

mathowie 42:50 The only thing I like about that is you can scroll sideways with the ball. The Magical Ball.

Jessamyn 42:55 Shut up. Yeah, it goes. My light Yeah, it

mathowie 42:59 goes in any direction, which is kind of cool.

Jessamyn 43:03 Is the Mystery Science Theater 3000. Archive still up, like obscure reference man made this post and all the Mystery Science Theater things and people were like, Dude, shut up. You just ruined it for everybody.

mathowie 43:18 Wonderful. It's traded on I was noticing on Usenet. People still trade all the MST 3k episodes like as these collections with DVD intros that they've made like fanmade.

Jessamyn 43:32 I love that. I love it.

mathowie 43:35 And it's it's already a derivative thing in the first place. Right? I mean, they probably secured rights, but it's sort of, you know, the comments on culture itself. So why not, you know, spread it around, like, why try and obtain ownership?

Jessamyn 43:49 Right, right. Right, right. I think oh, there are a couple of posts that I really enjoyed in the last. In the last, just a couple real quickies that don't require sort of chit chatting about anything. But there is the worst colleges in America post, which was only interesting. It's one of those idiot Radar Online articles. Yeah, but there was like a fuck ton of people who went to Hampshire. Like, I know that. There's like a lot of people that went to Hampshire and Metafilter who talk about it, but like, I found like six more in that thread, maybe four more. So it was just interesting with people talking about it. And I liked this one only because from a geeky perspective. It was one of those like, we made CGI of a girl talking and it looks better than most CGI. But the discussion was actually pretty interesting. Yeah. Anyhow,

mathowie 44:42 I was amazed by it until I learned that it's really just our head. Yeah. And it's like that other video, which is probably a popular favorite, the one with the Lenin statue that was completely made out of photographs stitched together, that it's pretty convincing. You know, it's pretty hard to fake. I mean, it looks a little fake if you're staring if you're looking for it, but what the how to find the link for that? You know, I'm talking about no remind me. Some researchers somewhere came up with a way to just stitch like hundreds of photographs into a clip that's like, super, like high band high, it just super sharp. So you go, they did it with this Lenin statue and this public square in Europe somewhere. You know, they basically walked around it and filmed it. So you had like all the angles, then they applied photos they found on Flickr of it, and like, just sharpened it up, like twice as much, three times as much. And they had some Oh, interesting, okay, yeah, they had some crazy algorithm for how long each photo should be displayed there. And it was pretty seamless. I mean, you had to be staring at it to try and figure out that like, it was it was kind of a sham. And the, you know, thing people are all worried about is like, you know, no video evidence no longer becomes untampered trouble. You know, we've always had photoshopping for photographic evidence. But video evidence has always been like, there's just no way to completely fake video evidence. But this is a pretty, pretty convincing thing, this show that you kind of could start to write neat implications for us all.

Jessamyn 46:25 You think so? It could be? I don't know, I wonder if you know, I'm gonna like hearken back to a time where I believed the things that I saw on film. And yet, I don't know if there was ever a time that I believed anything I saw on film.

mathowie 46:41 Well, that's true. But there's sort of this like, a maybe as a false honesty to it, you know, at least you figure what they filmed what they chose to film actually happened. Right, right. Right, right. What about us moved to AskMe Metafilter?

Jessamyn 46:57 Because this podcast is gonna be long already. Yeah, asked me to filter. We had two very popular, slightly chatty, hot patata posts. That were, what do you use all the time and wonder how you ever lived without it, which was one of them. And then the other one, which of course I liked, because I like every single time these posts come up, what are the best ways to cut costs and live cheap, but like, it had the open door of like, I don't even care if it's shady. Like, just let me know. And so it was interesting listening to people being like, yeah, what you need to do is like go or water and then ordered lots and lots of lemons and the free sugar packets and then make lemonade, or, but it was there was a whole bunch of you know, like, some stuff like just by us furniture, and then some stuff, which was totally like, I don't even remember. You know, a bunch of people who wash their hair and baking soda, and I've never used shampoo in yours. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. But it was just kind of an interesting thread. I thought and so there was two hot potato favorites, which I yeah, I sort of enjoyed,

mathowie 48:14 um of the most popular is the Give me your favorite photography hack, basically. Which, right, right? Talk today? Yeah, the soup. Yeah. Cuz people are kind of disagreeing with each other people disagreed with it. I said, so that's fine.

Jessamyn 48:35 Really, what's your favorite hack?

mathowie 48:37 Just go out and buy the biggest memory card you possibly can. Or even what is the biggest memory card now that you can possibly buy? I just bought a 16 gigabyte card for my huge Shut up,

Jessamyn 48:47 I'm selling 216 megabyte cards on eBay, just to get them out of my house. Like I should practically throw them away. But I figure somebody can

mathowie 48:56 do you can use them for like data holding data on some sort of like, you know, like Linux dumb terminal or something. But the whole point of having a gigantic card is like then film, the idea of how many shots you can take is limitless. So go ahead and take can play more than you think. Like, I always shoot in burst mode. So any times

Jessamyn 49:18 when it's burst mode, where you take like 10 pictures in a row or whatever. Yeah, like

mathowie 49:21 it's just going it's probably to a second for, you know, a second or two. So even casual versus and also even posed like just take 10 photos in a matter of two or three seconds, and you'll get one where, you know, everyone's everybody looks exactly perfect. Yeah. And you can delete all the rest either off your camera or you can pull them down and then trash them but I mean, I trash 75% of the photos I take but I went out in the backyard the other day while my daughter was playing on the swings, and it took some photos of her and some plants and I came back inside. I swear to God like 10 minutes later and I had 300 photos to do, which was ridiculous but like I can quickly weed out like they're five and they're there. I liked or doesn't.

Jessamyn 50:01 I think I saw the one you put online that looked on so

mathowie 50:03 yeah, so it's just you just like, like, it's fine. Just trash the lame ones. So yeah, that's how you don't miss like an a magical moment like, you know, take more than one shot of it. Some people said it was stupid and you shouldn't treat photos that way is so expendable and that you think more about your shots if you compose them and some people,

Jessamyn 50:23 that's what's great about the what's your favorite blog threads? Yeah, it was like, you know, some people are like, Matt, how are you? So right, and other people are like, Matt, how are you so wrong?

mathowie 50:33 What works for you is what you should do.

Jessamyn 50:37 Right? But you should at least know all these different ways. Yeah. There was the beautiful math, science and music posters, which I just kind of liked. Just because people had really good links to places that have really good kind of things that look beautiful, the butterfly alphabet poster, look at, you know, look up, Escher look up, you know, and in fact, somebody actually linked to cocoa GX

mathowie 51:09 saying, Hey, you're the man.

Jessamyn 51:11 Yeah, you use it. Best answer. Now we've come full cycle. I guess we're done. You can pay pal

mathowie 51:15 this gigantic elements poster. Wow.

Jessamyn 51:21 Oh, can I just tell you I used a metal filter plus Kevin Kelly to go buy myself a four by eight foot piece of shower board. And I'm gonna have a whiteboard by the end of Oh, yeah,

mathowie 51:29 he put that on cool tools. Like a year or two ago, I've heard the erasing sucks compared to a real whiteboard.

Jessamyn 51:36 But that otherwise I don't even have a real eraser. So we'll see.

mathowie 51:40 I heard I heard stainings a problem. So if you you write something down on it, you leave it up for two weeks on a normal whiteboard. If you use the solute doesn't matter, or a little elbow grease, you can get rid of even like a year old. But I heard with the shower board, sometimes it impregnates the top layer if left for a long,

Jessamyn 51:58 interesting See, I used to live with crazy people. And so all my whiteboards from home, like little crappy ones all have permanent marker on. So this will be better than that. Yeah.

mathowie 52:08 And mostly, it's the total cheapest for like, you know, foot by foot, you know, cost nothing.

Jessamyn 52:14 It was like 20 bucks. Plus you got like, you know, six or seven bucks worth of clips and whatever. And I'm gonna have one wall like just one small wall. It's just a whiteboard. Yeah, there's

mathowie 52:25 something magical and secret. Like, when I heard about it, I read it. And it was like, Oh, you can get this magnetized amazing like doing an entire wall and whiteboards awesome, but like can cost 1000s of dollars for the high end stuff. And then and then I you know, Kevin Kelly's like just go to your home improvement store and get something called shower board. And like, I've never heard of that. And I checked

Jessamyn 52:45 when they call it something crazy here to even call it shower board. It's called like Andy Pandy or something like that. It's got some bizarre name. I

mathowie 52:53 was like, maybe at some hardcore plumbing supply store. So was that like my local Lowe's, you know, went down the plumbing aisle, and there was big old boards and said, Shall I'm a whiteboard and I cost nothing. And it was like $8 or $11. And I went holy four by eight sheets. Holy cow,

Jessamyn 53:11 as I know. So you can you can make anything for them. You can sort of experiment.

mathowie 53:16 Yeah, I once worked@a.com with like, the entire hallways, floor to ceiling who

Jessamyn 53:22 didn't that was like what you spent all your.com venture capital,

mathowie 53:25 whiteboards. It was like it was it was actually amazing in the hallway, because you could stop someone in the hallway. You could draw while you chatted. Or you can draw something in a public space where everyone can see your idea. Like he actually was this killer thing for sharing information

Jessamyn 53:42 and ideas. As if there I wish there was some electronic way to do that.

mathowie 53:45 No, I want to dump everything I take. I often take photos of whiteboards after I'm done with them. And

Jessamyn 53:52 oh, yeah, me too. Totally. Well, and the problem that I always used to find in like.com Whiteboard Land was that it was always unclear which whiteboards you were allowed to erase and which one you weren't. And so everybody would write these like don't erase this or erase this or you could never figure it out.

mathowie 54:06 And yeah, they're just like, cleaning staff issues at a real big company. Right? They are raising it there's a million interesting anonymous questions, but I thought this one was interesting. If I saw

Jessamyn 54:20 that the one about the girl whose parents like cleaned her laundry while she was gone yeah, turns

mathowie 54:26 clean the apartment while she was gone, or she was away for a few weeks she moved in new

Jessamyn 54:31 parents had the key they were supposed to watch keep an eye on her stuff and they washed all our laundry they wash it put her stuff away packed

mathowie 54:37 everything and everyone who's 20 who's answering it goes oh my God, never speak to your parents again. change the locks everyone who's over 30 goes dude send them a thank you card. That's awesome. That's

Jessamyn 54:48 like to say you're sorry for yelling at them. Yeah,

mathowie 54:51 yeah, there's there's all kinds of more issues in it but I I was I was completely stricken by that divide of older young new people I would be stoked even though my parents are crazy. I wouldn't want them going through my stuff I would be. There's so much work involved.

Jessamyn 55:07 I think when you hit a certain age, you realize I don't I mean, and obviously like her parents are like Chinese and there appeared other Chinese people who mentioned it in the thread were like, Oh, God, yeah, I totally know. Yeah. But like, with my parents, I'm old enough now to know that if they did something like that, and they found something that made them feel weird, like they just shut the fuck up about it. Yeah. Like, they're no longer in a position where they're gonna give me a hard time about any of my things. And so it doesn't really matter if they touch them. Even if they think bad things about me. Like just that doesn't matter.

mathowie 55:38 It doesn't matter what they even think, you know, if they found Yeah, exactly. Who cares? Really?

Jessamyn 55:45 Exactly. Yeah, that was a very interesting thread. And I also sort of like this one. Like, I'm an introvert. And I don't really understand what's going on an extroverts head when you just like, go talk to somebody. Oh, and unfortunately, it had like a very early kind of it was unclear if it was a jokey answer or not. But like, the question was about whether extroverts have kind of an interior monologue like, Oh, should I go talk to that person? What happens if I pull a blog? What if they're gonna, someone said they didn't like that at all? They just react. Yeah, they just react and real extroverts aren't going to answer your question. Anyhow. So

mathowie 56:25 I wanted to read that I thought that I would read there's something just from today that's similar, which is introvert woman who's never dated anyone watching her friend who's like, drunken party girl, like, get with men all the time. She's in college and going do I? Am I supposed to act like that? Is that how do I? What's step one of acting like a drunken party girl, it's really funny. It's because it's just so.

Jessamyn 56:51 Right. And I'm a feminist. Yeah, bring the men away. Yeah. It's

mathowie 56:54 totally honest and upfront, like if I just want to have a little like goofy sex, am I supposed to just, you know, suppress, suppress every urge to be who I am for just one night? Could I do that? It's very much like, hey, extroverts, how do you do it?

Jessamyn 57:11 Yeah, and my favorite early answer in that thread is box, the librarian from Arkansas, who's like, yes, obsession with books, feminism and pop culture will scare a lot of men away. The good news is that these aren't the men you'd be. Yes, yes. Which is a very nice way of saying I'm sure what lots of people in the thread would sort of otherwise say, which is like, what's your number?

mathowie 57:35 Right, like, yeah, that's what I was going. I saw this early on as an answer that basically, yeah, it's gonna take you longer to find someone but it'll be so much better than the one night drunken Stan's party girl,

Jessamyn 57:46 I think the answer is put your photo in your profile. I mean, seriously, get on Facebook. Right, right. I mean, based on what I've heard. Oh, and then last thing that I wanted to mention, which wasn't an asked me to filter, but we did sidebar it, but I wanted to mention it here anyhow, is the all time favorite comment thread and Mettaton, which just was full of when and that's it. It was just great. Like, there was nothing wrong with it. It was just great. Full of when wonderful. At first,

mathowie 58:17 I was like, Oh, I don't know if people are gonna play along. Or I was kind of worried about this thread. Because it can go anyway.

Jessamyn 58:27 Yeah, people can be like, I really liked it when user A gave the smackdown on user B and then he was crying

mathowie 58:33 for recalled my pick the humor Oh my god. A long time ago, a long time ago, that webpage that played the Pixies one time for one user, because they asked for it was like 2000 this is back when you took back when you took requests. Oh, it was early 2002 Someone says a joke, you know, in a feature request thread. I think everything should do this. I think like the 20th answer was I think the Pixies MIDI file should play every time I'm on this page. So I did that for them. And then they posted like a few days later because everyone else hearing this off and everyone's like, What are you talking about? And then that was Yeah, I can't wait so remember that that's funny. So then did they had a tail between their legs email me go can you turn off the Pixies MIDI file?

Jessamyn 59:24 See I read that first and I thought it was that Valentine's Day when you had all those little Cupid's flying around? Yeah,

mathowie 59:32 that was pretty acceptable.

Jessamyn 59:34 I think we changed that

mathowie 59:35 it was Yeah, we did. Santos once

Jessamyn 59:39 said as we did the little alarm thing flying around one time Yeah, there was one thing that was broken. Oh Donruss and that's funny Don resin who wrote the book about Paris Hilton's cat

mathowie 59:50 dog, Chihuahua. Yeah? Yeah, he was the one asked for it.

Jessamyn 59:58 That was pretty good. And it was one of those Like Old, old old. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah, that's it for me. I probably already talked too long anyhow 345