Podcast 30 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 30: Punched in the dick (2008-08-08).

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Transcript

Unknown Speaker 0:00 and gentlemen, welcome to the metal filter podcast you've got a ring of radiation god

Jessamyn 0:36 there's a whole bunch of like great Not Safe For Work music pieces that I liked this time

mathowie 0:44 what's not safe for work of Adam buck this fuck that

Jessamyn 0:48 they've just got Not Safe For Work lyrics yeah you can you can see I'll leave them in your

mathowie 0:53 Oh punch them okay

Jessamyn 0:57 and punch them in the dick I thought that was pretty good it was one of a couple of mediocres Not Safe For Work lyrics and this one is actually a fellow librarians song so lots oh yes those are my what makes them yeah and then this one I just like because I liked the name of the band royal quiet Deluxe because I have that typewriter. Oh, it's the name of a typewriter. Yeah. And it's Chinese fashion who I don't know too much about from Metafilter music so I just thought it'd be good I mean sleepy Pete is the one that did I kill you you die? Oh which is very popular.

mathowie 1:40 Do you know who Chinese fashion is? No, do you is the guy who this month tried to get some espresso poured over some ice he's the guy he's the guy he's the guy that he's he's that's his mug. Yeah, he asked for the espresso over ice

Jessamyn 2:06 and then was a jerk about it.

mathowie 2:08 Ya know the the what he caught the post about him

Jessamyn 2:16 going away for two weeks.

mathowie 2:18 This is from two weeks ago three weeks ago. Oh it's been a big metal filter month is what we need to catch up on. We have three major stories for sort of involving metal filter people. I would say the espresso over it Yeah. And so over ice

Jessamyn 2:36 Yeah, but he's the one that left a really he's the one that left a really shitty tip. Yeah,

mathowie 2:40 but they got the Nazi presso bar owner who like wrote the punch in the deck like blog post. The owner of the coffee shop.

Jessamyn 2:50 Oh wait So is that where punch him in the dick is? Yeah. From for the music lyrics. Yeah, that is the that's not she's not even the one from real quiet Deluxe. That's a totally different user. Are they friends? Yeah, I was so confused.

mathowie 3:10 Explain the Internet to your mom the

Jessamyn 3:16 yeah get these flashcards so

mathowie 3:18 yeah, so the guy goes into the espresso gets the attitude and then writes the fuck you note on the dollar tip which is really weird. But then the owner of the coffee shop like because the guy's blog post writing about it got so much traffic from boiling. Here at this thing about like, no customer isn't always right. We do things the way they should be. We don't we don't ruin the integrity of the coffee. And because he made some joke he made some offhand lame joke about but the next time I ever set foot in that place, I would have I don't know matches and gasoline or something. It was like a subtle goofball, like, hyperbole about like, yeah, burn the place down. So the owner took it seriously. It was like arson. If you stepped foot in here. I'll punch you in the deck. Like and it's like wow, that's yeah, that was like his letter to the internet. Dude.

Jessamyn 4:08 Awesome. Good. So wait, the other song that I picked on Metafilter music called punch him in the dick. Yeah. From

mathowie 4:15 I would say. I would say yes. That is the

Unknown Speaker 4:20 less I mean, my God. That's hilarious. And I had no idea. But yeah. If that's Oh my

Jessamyn 4:27 God, that's great. And I just liked the Chinese fashion song because I liked the name of their typewriter name band. And the music has nothing to do with anything.

mathowie 4:36 That's from Oh, except.

Jessamyn 4:40 Okay, they've totally got to be friends because mediocre who wrote the notes to punch him in the dick. Yeah, also commented on the real quiet Deluxe post. But I mean, those guys were all friends. In fact, the right quiet Deluxe post has comments by three of the people whose music songs I picked music songs elsewhere. At any rate, That's it for metal filter music, except that there's a new metal filter music challenge up. Oh, is it up that everyone should know about? Yeah, it's up because it's August 1. And because flapjacks at midnight is the one who is the coordinator and he's like a day ahead because he's in Japan. So I get them like two days early.

mathowie 5:20 Oh, cool. So the little challenge players worked out so you can see last month challenge all the nice player

Jessamyn 5:29 the challenge players weren't great. And I just thought last month's songs were really fun. Yeah, lyric challenge. Music challenge and the style you despise challenge.

So I was looking at when's the last time we Oh, when's the last time we talked? When was the last podcast?

mathowie 6:07 It was like a month ago. It was end of June. So it's been like all of July is Open Season. And I think this is podcast. So

Jessamyn 6:16 it was like we were on vacation or something. Yeah, I was asked.

mathowie 6:19 I was literally on vacation. You were literally on vacation. In those overlapping

Jessamyn 6:24 vacation vacation. Yeah. So Josh was on vacation cortex was on vacation. PB go on vacation.

mathowie 6:30 No, he stayed home. I hope so. So that was like three weeks, three weeks. We're gone by four weeks total. Josh too, though. Yeah.

Jessamyn 6:40 Well, Josh and I were gone. The same week. I was actually in Portland while he was out of Portland, and we missed each other entirely.

mathowie 6:47 Did you move stuff around and then leave?

Jessamyn 6:51 I should have had him just leave me keys. Right? Because he lives like right downtown. Yeah. I bet he's got I bet he's got faster broadband.

mathowie 7:01 Hopefully. Let me see. Where's that? Find one more post. I haven't looked at jobs or projects.

Jessamyn 7:14 Jobs was Jobs was pretty straightforward. Oh, my God, though. There are some awesome projects, the factories one tremendous project, and then a couple other really good projects. But there was one that was like one of the top projects of all times. It's I think it was hope we didn't mention it last time. Let me just check.

mathowie 7:38 Oh, that real estate?

Jessamyn 7:41 Yes. Oh, my God. Did you see it? It's, it's lovely. I'll take it. Yeah. And basically, it's like, it's just like the perfect simple blog idea. It takes photos, actual photos of homes from real estate ads, and basically makes fun of them. And it's by our own corpse in the library, I think, yes, it's by the corpse in the library. And it's just basically sort of snarky, but like, it's one of those things where it's like, on the one hand, it's kind of snarky. On the other hand, your apartment looks like a zombie playground. And that's the photo that you think is going to sell it to somebody else. You know, I just read through the whole thing, like just kept clicking back, back, back, back back and laughing What, like, some of these houses have been burned. Some of them have people asleep in the beds, some of them have, you know, graffiti, or like poop in the toilet or whatever. Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah,

mathowie 8:41 I can't I've never seen a real is hilarious. I've never seen a real estate photo with like humans in it. And there's just so many it's unbelievable.

Jessamyn 8:51 Yeah, you're just kind of like, what's going on? Why? Like, don't you guys have a friend with a camera? I mean, I understand like, people don't take very good pictures, but like your realtor should. These aren't all on Craigslist. You know, some of them are like real, real realtor stuff. And it got 84 votes, which is actually pretty incredible.

mathowie 9:10 Yeah. I love the where's it though? That wasn't it. Stupid filters amazing.

Jessamyn 9:20 Stupid filter is amazing. Why don't you explain what stupid filter does for people who maybe haven't.

mathowie 9:24 So how on earth they don't know how on earth what I mean? I didn't read about the creation behind it. It just sort of analyzes text input and tries to figure out if it's stupid or not, if it's going to be a dumb comment, the chances of it being dumb. So it's sort of like a spam filter. But for stupidity if you put in a ton of YouTube or dig comments you often get this thing is stupid. I grabbed some metadata comments took me a while to find one that was stupid. But you know when when people revert to all caps, or they say something crazy, like it shows up as stupid. And I thought that was It's awesome. Like, it's almost like we should have this running internally to just have internal ratings for, you know, things that get flagged or something. Well,

Jessamyn 10:09 isn't that what people were saying that they were like, You should run this alongside the comments so that you could then have like a Greasemonkey script that would basically basically, auto rate, yeah, show people and then they could mod up and down. That would be like,

mathowie 10:27 filtered Slashdot on the fly kind of just on based on stupidity rankings.

Jessamyn 10:34 Yeah, I think it would probably affect the level of discourse, although, wow, I'm not totally sure. But

mathowie 10:41 do it. It's a fun project idea, though. But yeah.

Jessamyn 10:48 Well, and it reminds me of, you know, just the whole idea of like, prophylactics for medically transmitted diseases, which is what this page says, reminds me of that big trolling article that was in the New York Times Magazine that everybody was talking about this week.

mathowie 11:06 About the V tardes. And

Jessamyn 11:09 yeah, about the beat tarts and trolling and don't you kind of feel like moot from like, 4chan, like, has a publicist now and like all he does is like tries to get himself in the New York Times, like every couple of weeks looking like a normal guy compared to these kinds of slavering dorks, I feel that way.

mathowie 11:25 Sort of a critical mass thing, like something awful was probably in the same position two or three years ago, where it's just like, so many memes started from there that people just started to go, you know, every No at all was like, Oh, that was something awful six months ago, that like, you know, it's eventually a reporter figures that out and starts following them. I don't know. Like, I mean, everything comes from Fortune Chan. That's funny or mean or stupid. Or, you know, though, it's kind of like this default source now.

Jessamyn 11:57 Yeah, and that reporter got paid money to, you know, live with live with trolls for for some amount of time, which I always thought was kind of whenever I like, kind of amusing

mathowie 12:08 if I read one sentence or two sentences about that, and hero thing I just stopped. I stopped reading like, it's just so like, awful, like, so unfunny and stupid that I didn't even read more

Jessamyn 12:21 than right because they made fun of the they made fun of the kid who killed himself, which is horrible.

mathowie 12:26 Yeah, it was just sort of like, that was the fodder for like, years and years of goofy little projects was some dead kid who committed suicide like what 13 or something? It's just like, so dumb. It was just so dumb. And

Jessamyn 12:43 then they were like, calling his family at home and

mathowie 12:45 oh, yeah, I read that. That was I just stopped reading the article. I was just like, why it's gone that far. Like, I just saw the goofy fake online memorials and stupid comments on his MySpace page. So awful like the worst of the worst of the worst.

Jessamyn 13:05 I was trying to find the thread on metal filter about that New York Times trolling article, but it whatever it was, didn't use the tags troll or trolling.

mathowie 13:16 It was like 9pm the other night, just like a night or two ago, maybe last night it got posted,

Jessamyn 13:23 but I did find this. Have you seen that before?

mathowie 13:27 No. What is this? Like?

Jessamyn 13:28 Make an O'Reilly book? Oh, make an O'Reilly book. It's not. But have you seen it?

mathowie 13:35 Yeah. It's funny. This is a self like.

Jessamyn 13:42 It's funny.

mathowie 13:43 I haven't seen this actual one.

Jessamyn 13:45 Somebody said that I sound like an annoying American on the podcast.

mathowie 13:50 So that we I forget who it was reading email. Now

Jessamyn 13:53 I deleted somebody's asked Metafilter thread. About like, why are Americans so obnoxious? And then I got a whole bunch of like, really shitty mi fi mail about like, you should listen to yourself on the podcast. You sound horrible. So I just thought I would throw that out there. I was, you know, depressing.

mathowie 14:11 Did I tell you? I heard that in the UK. When I was in London, in the UK, while I was in London last year, I heard you know on the podcast, you guys say awesome about 64 times in an hour. And I was like, yeah, that's just sort of,

Jessamyn 14:30 we probably we probably do. We're just enthusiastic things but they're some of those tracks. We probably do need a source though, don't we?

mathowie 14:37 Someone was trying to explain to me that the phrase awesome is only used by the very lowest classes of sort of like world. I don't know professional wrestling fans or something in the UK. Like nobody says awesome. There's over like the age of 12 or something. And that it was like, gosh, I had no idea. Yeah, like it's just a weird they're like that's just a really weird word you never hear over here especially from educated people. I was like, Wow, sorry. I had no idea.

Jessamyn 15:05 I had no idea. That's great. Yeah, I was like it said terrific. It's or

mathowie 15:12 something. Yeah, we tried to come up with new words to replace awesome, but it wasn't easy. God, I can't find the New York Times thing either. It was a really like bad.

Jessamyn 15:23 No, somebody somebody did. And I didn't comment on it. I saw I didn't remove any comments in it,

mathowie 15:30 double of it. But yeah, the original is not very easy to find. She's I can't find

Jessamyn 15:36 well, we'll check it down a little bit later. One more project I just wanted to like mention, is the Herf derf data eater, which is just basically a different way to, like get the meta filter info dump.

mathowie 15:49 Yeah.

Jessamyn 15:50 It's nice. It's just a little project.

mathowie 15:52 Yeah, I think. I think someone else had a nice SQL web based SQL thing. Oh, this is like the massage the data. That's kinda cool.

Jessamyn 16:03 Yeah, it puts it all into a really nice database and it'll go grab it for you. And it's cool.

mathowie 16:09 Very nice.

Jessamyn 16:13 Call anything awesome ever again.

mathowie 16:18 Worried about it.

Unknown Speaker 16:20 I'm totally self conscious. Yeah,

mathowie 16:22 let's do that. A filter II stuff. Any big metal filter II meetup? You got it? Several meetups, probably last month.

Jessamyn 16:32 Ah, you know, I only went to the one in Portland, which was like nice. And like really small. It was like some people I knew. And some people I didn't know. But it was like at my friend's house, like my friend was like, I'm going out of town, have people over stay at my house. So I said great. Had a bunch of people over it was like a small meet up like eight or nine people. And then. And then somebody came through on stilts. Looking for my friend. Oh, we had to like tell her who? I know. We had to tell her who he was. We were like he's on stilts. Is that enough to identify him? Well, maybe we should mention he's got Spiderman tattoos on the back of both of his calves. And it should turned out she did actually know who he was. And you know, who came to the metal filter meetup who I had never met before. Douglas. Oh, god, what's Douglass's username on metal filter? Doug Wulc, who just won an Eisner Award for his book? Reading comics?

mathowie 17:33 Wha, Jesus.

Jessamyn 17:35 I know, he's famous. And I had never met him before. And he's super nice. And he's a friend of a friend of mine. And he's my friend too. And so you know, I was just like, just like, right there. Right there.

mathowie 17:49 Walls work and what they mean Douglas walk.

Unknown Speaker 17:54 Yeah, and he's a user

mathowie 17:57 see this window fronts all over the place? Oh, because I was in San Diego. Yeah. This is everywhere.

Jessamyn 18:04 Comic Con. Yeah. And at one at Comic Con, an Eisner Award. I think it was at Comic Con. We Yeah, so that was kind of neat too. And it was also like, you know, the sort of usual suspects but then some then some new people and

mathowie 18:19 it wasn't too weird.

Jessamyn 18:24 I sort of like being in houses because then people who don't kind of like drink can kind of hang out I mean, I don't know maybe it's just me and I hang out with like, a different crowd but like going to bars fun. And then like, not going to the bar is fun. So I like doing both but that was the only meetup I went to. Okay. Did you go to any meetups down in San Diego anywhere that you went? Oh

mathowie 18:48 no, we we passed over the ninth anniversary without even doing the meet up I totally forgot to like the day before.

Jessamyn 18:59 Oh, I didn't forget I just you know was like that we're not going to be around. That's not gonna happen. But the anniversary Yeah, I'm making stickers. So we are gonna make T shirts we're gonna meet an iOS somewhere so that everybody can go get cheap tickets. It's gonna be great.

mathowie 19:19 Wow, he got a kiss from Jane Whelan awesome.

Unknown Speaker 19:23 Pretty cool huh? Pretty cool huh?

mathowie 19:28 So metal filter stuff huge metal filter month for people on metal filter involved in goofball stories. The Affer mentioned talk about it. Talk about it. Yes, presto one. I'll just go from quick the espresso one the DNS exploit humongous DNS exploit.

Jessamyn 19:47 That was my favorite. Yeah, that was that was my favorite meant to talk about what that is a little bit because Yeah. The DNS exploit.

mathowie 19:55 The Steve is running for Congress, state Congress. That was Awesome.

Jessamyn 20:02 Talk to talk about them for people who didn't. Who didn't you know?

mathowie 20:06 So let's do the DNS one. Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker 20:12 filter user,

mathowie 20:14 a focus or something. F foo. EF foo. Gosh,

Unknown Speaker 20:18 fu few

mathowie 20:20 pronounce these things. I just have to read. Where did he go? There is a food. Food gas. That's probably like some Spanish word for meatball soup or something. I don't know. Sounds like familiar.

Jessamyn 20:33 Fu gas. That's what I

mathowie 20:36 Oh, yeah. Is that not a fan of the oil? Yeah, so major security flaw in the deep underlying DNS system a really complicated, you know, exploit that could rock the entire web was like announced by a super white hat researcher, you know, like a month in advance of some conference. And then it turns out 10 comments in that it's fu gas

Jessamyn 21:03 from that. It's one of our guys like one of our low user number guys.

mathowie 21:07 I love this cheapest sheepish. Oh, yeah. I'm Dan Kaminsky, the guy in the article. Sorry. But then he went on to explain stuff and answer your questions. It was great.

Jessamyn 21:19 Yeah, no, it was totally great. I'm pretty sure I sideboard that because I just thought it was it was terrific. And everybody was

mathowie 21:26 really happy about it. Love, love the sheepish. Oh, yeah, that's me. That was just became sort of national news. And Apple just released their security update for all their stuff last night. And like Apple was like leaving users out in the lurch for like a week or two there after it was revealed what the what the hack was, and there wasn't really a fix for Apple computers, aside from like, use open DNS for your DNS or something like

Jessamyn 21:54 that. Because they were or use some other DNS. Yeah. Wow. That was

mathowie 21:58 like every Linux nerd, you know, it was like patched and 30 seconds before it ever was even revealed. But yeah, a lot of Apple computers weren't I don't know what Windows boxes were like, but there were a few actual exploits in the wild, you could basically claim your fake site is google.com through you know, lots and lots of difficult hacking, but it was a really bad pain. That looks like you know, it's been patched.

Jessamyn 22:29 And it was our dude. Yeah. And looking at the service thing. Steve is stevis was on the sidebar on the same day as meta filter got our millions

mathowie 22:39 favorite? Yeah, that was weird. Yeah.

Jessamyn 22:42 Cuz I was like, I already puts up on the sidebar. Ah, so Yeah, talk about the the campaign in Kansas. Basically, it got posted. This was another one of those situations where there was a metal filter post.

mathowie 22:54 Yeah, we didn't even know I yeah, I never I didn't connect the dots. I was like, I didn't recognize Sean Tevis has stevis from the site. But yeah. So yeah, some internet nerd. Like, I love this just because especially on metal filter. When we talk politics, it's all about, you know, what outrage, fatigue, exhaustion? Why won't someone do something?

Jessamyn 23:19 And then, so like, nobody's got a clue. These campaigns don't speak to me. Yeah, totally.

mathowie 23:24 Yeah. And what can I do in the middle of nowhere? You know, like, there's a sense of power, right?

Jessamyn 23:30 My, my state's gonna go for someone else, why should I even bother leaving the house.

mathowie 23:34 So he, he makes a beautiful, goofy little x k CD inspired comic about how the internet can take over? Because this is a really small potatoes, Kansas representative State Rep. You know, in the States State Congress, not in the National Congress. And these these campaigns can be won or lost for like, $10,000. I mean, if you can, like put up enough signs and meet enough people in your little area, it's usually I mean, where I'm from my little state congressional district is only like, three towns around here. It's only like 50,000 people voting for you total. So see, we've

Jessamyn 24:14 only got one representative in the whole state.

mathowie 24:18 State level, even on the state level,

Jessamyn 24:20 at the state level. No, it's like yeah, it's three towns. Yeah. So these

mathowie 24:24 things are small potatoes. They're not that hard to do. So yeah, he's he's opponent spent, you know, this old guy who wants to run public school from a Bible and creationism all the way and you know, he's raised something like 20 grand and it was a lot of money. So he thought, Oh, if I can get what was it 3000 people to give 10 bucks, I can blow him out of the water in terms of raising money. And then what 24 to 36 hours he got $95,000 And the thing

Jessamyn 24:56 that was so great too, was like watching for me. Who knew nothing about this until metal filter and I think I happen to be in Portland because I was hanging out with sleepy Pete and Melissa May who are from Kansas. And yeah, and so is hanging out with them and like reading the thread and watching the numbers, you know, tick tick off like, Oh, hey, now we've got whatever, you know this many donors that that many donors, these many donors, whatever. And you know, people took them up on stuff like in the thread like, you know, what do you believe in and what's your thing and him and Nico kind of went back and forth on this and that and it was it was interesting watching that happen? Yeah. 4000 donors 3000 donors, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You could actually watch it. watch it unfold in sort of real time. And it was it was very exciting. Yeah,

mathowie 25:47 I was reloading it for like a day and a half, like hoping. Yeah,

Jessamyn 25:50 and I don't do that that often. For threads I'm not really participating in. And it was, yeah, it was

mathowie 25:55 great, I think because such a small potatoes race that a candidate can be completely open about like, I mean, in the thread, people were attacking him, especially over immigration issues. And he was like, he's like, I'm gonna rethink my position on it by the end of the thread, which was great. It was like, you know, well, because

Jessamyn 26:13 people were like, You need to have Yeah, a thought out position and not be glib about it. Because your opponent is pissed off and gonna have a whole bunch of things to say.

mathowie 26:21 Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was just so great. Like, it'd be awesome if he wins. If he does it. That's such a bummer. But it was a very internet friendly approach. Funny as heck and yeah, it looks like he's blown the guy away in terms of raising funds. It'd be great to see him actually win.

Jessamyn 26:45 And we'll see Yeah, what happens. One of the other things that I loved only because it was another one of those like everybody in the thread has like kind of a sit back and go off moment. And it also involves Astro zombie, who I believe everybody is in love with this month is the is the lion in a sidecar on vertical wall of death. Link to a vintage photographs Live Live Journal group. And like number one, the photo is awesome. It is exactly what it says it is. And it is real. Number two, there's a whole bunch of like other neat photos and then people in the thread just all have exactly the same response to the lion in the sidecar on the vertical wall of death, which is just like, Holy fucking shit. You know? Somebody was like, the only thing I would like better is a link that would let me go back to two minutes ago so that I can see the lion in the sidecar for the first time again.

mathowie 27:41 That is an awesome photo. This is like this is the greatest I could totally see why he titled it what like, finally a Live Journal that's readable or something. This is the greatest line ever.

Unknown Speaker 27:53 I detect your cat a little pissed off at that.

mathowie 27:57 Oh my god, this is so creepy. The skin of an elephant

Jessamyn 28:01 isn't it? I don't even know what that is a picture of elephant skin? Or is it like an inflatable elephant? Or what do they do with them?

mathowie 28:09 Just like 1940? Do they skin the elephant?

Jessamyn 28:13 Did you ask the people in the UK if they all call each other dude?

mathowie 28:16 Probably not. It's probably something

Jessamyn 28:19 to do. That would make sense. I don't mind the source doesn't say anything by dude. I'm out of I'm out of ideas. Make gov. Gov.

mathowie 28:30 They make like elephant skin clothing or something. It's creepy.

Jessamyn 28:35 Yeah, I think so. Well, they make walrus jackets and stuff and polishes and elephants are like the same animal. Basically one's got a nose.

mathowie 28:45 Creepy. These are great. This is like great. And Astro zombie

Jessamyn 28:49 like picked out some cool ones like the dog and the gas mask. But yeah, yeah, the whole thing is just frickin awesome. It's freaking awesome. And it's like just one of those things where you're like, oh my god, I love metal filter. Yeah, what is? What's the deal with the flattened elephant? It makes me creeped out.

mathowie 29:08 Oh, you know, they'd kill elephants all the time back in 100 years ago, you know, what's his name?

Jessamyn 29:14 It's like museum people. Yes, I was linking it to closely with like, the sidecar story. So I was like, what what? No, that makes sense. Yeah, the first couple comments are in Russian so I can't

mathowie 29:28 hilarious yes

Unknown Speaker 29:32 it's hilarious.

mathowie 29:34 Where did that go? The best thing ever in the Make sure this is yeah, this is just missed the last podcast like by a day or two was the Wally thread about Wally the reactions and

Jessamyn 29:48 this is also about Astro zombie. Should we just make this I forgot Yeah. Music by Astro zombie meta talk thread about Astro zombie disastrous zombie need a job? Maybe someone can employ Like, astral zombie or astral zombie two or three I just loved

mathowie 30:03 how this wonderful beautiful story saved this horrible awful politicized thread about the movie Wally being mean to fat people and what else? Is it mean to fat people? Yeah, it's kind of I mean, people turn fat and lazy and kind of makes light. Oh, and the environmentalism felt like the right it's like curved or fugly American kind of thing. Yeah. And right wingers freaked out about the Oh, it's like watching the fuck you know Gore movie for two hours. But having that all saved by an awesome story of Astro zombies girlfriend, who watched the wily

Jessamyn 30:41 trailer video of herself watching the Wally trailer and what

mathowie 30:45 while she she cried the first time, it happened at the theater, and he thought it was kind of sweet and funny. And then she watched it when she got home on YouTube and cried, so then she recorded it. She was like, I can't, I can't stop doing this. And you know, it doesn't stop being touching. So then she posted the video, and then it got a lot of traffic and exposure. And then people at Pixar started watching that. And the story is about how

Jessamyn 31:10 she got invited to the preview, I think and everybody was awesome to her. Yeah, totally awesome. To her. It was about and then him

mathowie 31:17 Yeah, the her video was done about nine months before the debut of the movie and like they had, you know, 14 hour days for the next nine months ahead of them as programmers and they sort of used it as a, I think a motivational tool internally at Pixar. Like everyone wants this this you know two minute video of a woman crying at our freakin animated. That's what we're here to do Make Movie Magic go people. And so she started became the internal mascot, I think. And then they invited her to the preview and she got to stand up and everyone sort of applause like you're awesome. Yeah, it's so great. He has all these great pictures are touring the studios and like they got the red carpet treatment out west with a nice preview and yeah. coolest thing ever. And it Oh, which actually Oh, sorry. So it reminds you Yeah, Pixar is a huge Disney Corporation, they actually still as humans at the controls, doing nice things.

Jessamyn 32:14 Well, and it was interesting, juxtaposed with this post, which I wasn't otherwise necessarily in a mansion. But it was navel gazers post about Disney that shut down their Florida animation studio, basically, that they're done with. They're done with today animate 2d animation, and they shut down there.

mathowie 32:35 Yeah, that was a long time, Kevin. But I guess they're coming back.

Jessamyn 32:40 But But then that will that was it. They shut down the studio to in 2004. And then I guess two years ago, part of the Pixar deal was saying that two day 2d animation would come back. And I didn't actually just see the thread. This was one of my like, metal filter gives me my headlines. So I didn't even read it. But it kind of goes goes in with the rest of the Pixar story. I thought I thought it was interesting.

mathowie 33:06 Yeah, that's cool. Did espresso over ice. I love the library story is great. The

Jessamyn 33:17 one about the cake pans or the one about because there was a library story today about cake pans.

mathowie 33:21 That patron with the gay marriage and a kids book that must be removed from shelves. That was pretty cool.

Jessamyn 33:27 Yeah, well, and then what happened was the librarian wrote back this like very long, very public, I think letter that many people describe as like, ooh, Smackdown.

mathowie 33:37 Yeah, but not really, you know, it's respectful. Yeah. There's a lot of like, that was a smackdown I can't believe you maintain composure and other people are like, Dude, that's how you're supposed to be a professional.

Jessamyn 33:49 And librarians have to deal with this shit all the damn time. Yeah,

mathowie 33:53 someone tells a story of someone just walking in and going. You need to get rid of all the what Oscar Wilde books because I heard he's a bag. Like, what? Like, that's crazy. Oh, there it is. It's like one of the first comments and then somebody faces the books a couple weeks later after they refused. Somebody just ruined all the books.

Jessamyn 34:14 Yeah, and you know, anybody who's like spent any time in the world of libraries knows that this kind of stuff happens all the time. It's like Hey, welcome to working with the public.

mathowie 34:23 He didn't he didn't post the original request but he posted details about it and I thought it sounded angry from the get go because it was like, You need to respond to this serious request from me as a patron and it must be over email and I read that must be over email so she could forward it to everyone that you know

Jessamyn 34:41 agrees must be over email and also like yeah, for like legal paper trail reasons. No, I don't want to have a conversation. Yeah, you have to email it to me so I can send it to my

mathowie 34:51 it was it wasn't I thought it said something about like no printed things that allowed either and that's why I thought this is someone wants to like forward it to our chair. which groups start a campaign are so well

Jessamyn 35:02 because the person was like, I shouldn't have to discuss things like this with my five year old and people are like what weddings, gay weddings, like you're not talking about, but sex. It's just a frickin wedding. And that's up to you, you know, you're the mom go. Yeah, I that was a lively conversation, because there's a lot of librarians on Metafilter. And a lot of them had, you know, interesting. I mean, it's a little bit preaching to the converted, you know, because pretty much everyone metaphors like, yeah, that's totally fine. That person's batshit insane. But, you know, there were a lot of people talking about having to deal with that kind of stuff in their, in their communities. But I thought you were talking about the Midwestern libraries that checkout cake pans. What? That filter again, blows your mind.

mathowie 35:48 Wow, that's like a Tool Lending Library as well, which people talk

Jessamyn 35:53 about which in Berkeley, California, of course, can borrow tools. Yeah, San Francisco and a lot of libraries. I mean, it makes total sense, right. 20 foot ladder. Yeah, so like your kids turning eight. You want a Batman cake pan, but you don't want to frickin buy a Batman K only

mathowie 36:09 one at once. That's awesome. Totally,

Jessamyn 36:13 totally. 52 comments, 17 favorites. And it's been up since like, yesterday, two days ago, and it's death delicious. Who's another one of them the fiber and

mathowie 36:24 that is awesome. I had no idea that's so funny.

Jessamyn 36:28 Somebody of course is like her. I'm gonna lend him my penis pan. Her so? Yeah. Which is interesting from an intellectual freedom perspective. But yeah, I don't know. But once you have a

mathowie 36:39 blog of strange things, you can get a library for regional reasons or something like that for Yeah,

Jessamyn 36:45 to good idea. There's a bunch of libraries that lend out art and then there's the Oh, the library in Europe somewhere the one that like was a lending library for people you could like, like borrow a person that was from like, a different sort of cultural background. You could you could rent it. A gypsy or a gay person, Muslim or something. know shit. And it's supposed to end it's it's yeah, it's Europe. So it's not the crazy sort of hotbed of insanity that America is about stuff like that. And it was actually kind of an interesting, but there was a thread on metal filter was years ago.

mathowie 37:22 The earlier mentioned espresso over ice thing. The only thing I was it was interesting about it, it sort of went everywhere on the entire blogosphere. And I thought it was hilarious watch reading food blogs in that most people sided with the coffee shop owner that you don't put espresso over ice. They're like no the customers not always right. Sometimes, you know, a chef or a barista or you know coffee jockey, what have you, you know, knows what is best. And

Jessamyn 37:54 it's like asking for your filet mignon. Well done, right? Like,

mathowie 37:58 if that's what they want, though. Like you can't refuse dog.

Jessamyn 38:03 Well, you can tactically but it's not a savvy business decision. Yeah,

mathowie 38:07 it's a terrible business decision.

Jessamyn 38:09 It just makes you seem snotty. Well, we always used to do I think I told you about this before I used to go to like Dick's drive in, which wasn't really kind of a driving there was like a burger joint and Seattle. Yeah. And like, you'd go to Vijay, which had like the best espresso and all of Seattle and get like a double shot of espresso, carry it with you go to Dick's drive in and get like a 50 cent ice cream sundae. And then pour the espresso over the ice cream sundae and just walk down Broadway and be like the happiest person alive. It's like one of the things that I miss out here where there's not as much espresso. So it's kinda like ice and I'm the customer. You know, this was three bucks and I am wrong. I told

mathowie 38:47 the story of going to a she she restaurant in Soma, South of Market and San Francisco in 2001 or so. Like right after sort of the boom is busting and it's sort of this, you know, fancy restaurant that is propped up by those kinds of people, you know, the biz dev people from dot coms. Sure. It was like one of the last meals I started went out to eat with before, you know, save all my money before you got depressed and now we're with four friends and a friend asked for a mojito. And you know, I think someone else is drinking, you know, sidecar. And with that lemon thing, Lemon Drop. Yeah. Those are all delicious. These are all like the drinks of the day, and he does a brand new sorta. And the way to return about five minutes later, he goes, I'm sorry. We can't do Mojito and he was like, Oh, why what's wrong? Like, you don't have mint or sugar or whatever it takes. It was like, No, the bartender thinks they're too trendy.

Jessamyn 39:53 He's not well, we don't want to sell anything. He goes,

mathowie 39:56 she's not he's not gonna make it. It's too trendy seizes a call So really to order one, like, which is also like,

Unknown Speaker 40:02 oh my god, that's so fuck you. Yeah.

mathowie 40:05 And we were like, Why did you just say that? Can you repeat that? And they did. And we were like, I can't believe you didn't just get up and walk out. But you know, he drank water or something. But yeah, could not believe a bartender refuse to serve something for being too cliched. But yeah,

Jessamyn 40:22 I'm sure they're trendy. You can buy him on a JetBlue flight. They are also delicious. Seven

mathowie 40:28 years later, they're everywhere. But they're kind of like, new ish at the time. It was kind of a hot drink, and it was too hot for that bartender.

Unknown Speaker 40:38 And he just refused. Poopoo Yeah, no,

mathowie 40:41 I can't I couldn't believe some of the food blogs I read. Were just like, Yeah, fuck the customer. He was gonna ruin it. Yeah, fuck, kick him out.

Jessamyn 40:51 Well, and especially it's a coffee shop. Like I couldn't see it. If it's like, you're like, Yeah, can I order the duck, whatever, whatever, without the sauce. And they're kind of like, dude, the sauce is kind of part of the meal like, but like with a coffee drink. It just seems like there's a lot more room to move

mathowie 41:06 there. Yeah. And you have a lot more competition. And I got a personal message from Jason Levine who lives down the street and goes I hate that place. They're such freaking jerks. And they're like, so glad to see someone take them down a peg.

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mathowie 41:24 I think that's about everything from metal filter.

Jessamyn 41:29 What else you were in love with metal filter? Yeah, I mean, you know, oh,

mathowie 41:33 Van. Van hacking. Oh,

Jessamyn 41:35 yeah. Van hacking is another one of those things where it's like, because, yeah, the sort of median age of metal filter. I feel like a lot of times is my age. Yeah.

mathowie 41:45 That was remembered, you know, lovely goofball, airbrushed Star Wars on the sides of vans in Southern California when I

Jessamyn 41:56 was my first boyfriend's family had one of those. And I went to see my very first concert, which was rush in one of those vans. So you know, it's nothing but fond memories for me. And I lived on the East Coast. Like that's even weirder. His parents were all doing

mathowie 42:15 that, like in 96. And they kept it she had it in college, like old orange shag carpeting and a table and a couch. And like it was weird. It Well,

Jessamyn 42:25 my boyfriend did get to drive it later in high school, which was pretty damn cool.

mathowie 42:29 They eventually had to like take it out and shoot it. But yeah, they it was driven for 20 years.

Jessamyn 42:34 When they get like two miles to the gallon.

mathowie 42:37 Yeah, it wasn't something to use as a daily driver.

Jessamyn 42:40 No, no, no. But yeah, no, I love that. I love that post. I loved it very much.

mathowie 42:46 I think that's about it.

Jessamyn 42:48 If your meta filter. So the good news is we can look at the 30 days most favorited posts. Oh, yeah, I haven't looked at that. And asked meta filter and it's actually going to be the Oh, well. Here's another sort of AskMe Metafilter Metafilter, tandem, the Scrabble post and asked betta filter about how to do well on Scrabble, which of course, devolved into a fight about whether the Scrabble dictionary words are words or not. And the let me see,

mathowie 43:21 those are all good. Tons of good, simple techniques for how to basically maximize your scrabble score. That was great.

Jessamyn 43:29 Well, and the whole deal is it's not somebody being like, I want to go do competition, right? Somebody's being basically like, my girlfriend's good at Scrabble. I'd like to be better at Scrabble so that we can play together and have fun. Yeah. You know, how great is that? Like, that seems nice. So it got a little feisty, but not Yeah,

mathowie 43:47 it was this one too terribly. Like 10 steps to kick ass and Scrabble or something

Jessamyn 43:53 great. Yeah. Is it inertia or is it unedited

mathowie 43:57 reading it out in edit the video too fast

Jessamyn 44:02 and then it partners with Facebook shutting down scrabulous which for many of us Facebook was really the scrabulous was like the only reason we were even on Facebook so

mathowie 44:13 yeah, that's a long time coming like they should have shut it down within a month or

Jessamyn 44:19 so original thread about about the lawsuit starting was in January.

mathowie 44:26 And like I I've been at like five tech conferences are scrap delicious as mentioned because like it's the only reason why delicious. It's the only reason it's the only reason any like adult over 25 uses Facebook is just to play Scrabble. But a lot

Jessamyn 44:43 only because there wasn't a decent scrabble game. Otherwise you have to play it by email or like jumps through all these hoops to play it otherwise Yeah,

mathowie 44:51 for the last year I've been at conferences going like, look here Here we're watching like the death of an old industry in slow motion like it already happened with me you make movies like it. Look, Hasbro, they could buy two guys from India who made this and have the most popular application on Facebook, sell ads and sell more Scrabble board sets and make it good for everyone involved. Or they can shut it down and be idiots and

Jessamyn 45:18 they chose Pat and that's what they did. This was another thread that I just really enjoyed just in terms of like being a whole bunch of really good stuff to to sit around and mess around with. Question is simple. Who are some great comedians I've probably never heard of that I can watch on YouTube. Yeah, it was a good it was I had no idea that um, oh, who was it? One of the comedians that I really, really like, who's I? Of course, I'm total Oh, Jake Johansen, you can see like our long Jake Johansen stand up routines. on YouTube. I didn't even know you could watch stuff. That was an hour long. Yeah, I think so.

mathowie 46:00 Like, I've noticed this. Specially in LA comedians, they all have what's a special thing.com? I think it is. They've also they embrace the web like way early, like the LA comedy scene. And it's really it's about getting yourself seen. And it's not like making people buy each other's material. And there's a whole culture of you know, Joe Rogan is a thief. Yeah. But for the most part, it's like, there's no money to me. Like there's no secret, right? Like, the jokes are in my head, like, I need to get them out. You need to know who I am, then you'll book me. So, right. They've totally embraced like, I mean, I remember seeing like, eight hours of every set ever by comedians from LA, like posted on their own sites for everyone to download for free and keep so that they would like like them and ask for them at bars and stuff are. So it's great to see them, like totally embracing YouTube, like there's nothing, they don't lose any money. They just they just gain, you know, possibility of more money by putting all their routines up. Great, great, right? I loved this one for personal reasons, which is

Jessamyn 47:09 Oh, the intermediate swimming advice. Yeah.

mathowie 47:11 I'm a 30 year old, you know, 30 Something person who knows how to swim and knows how to prevent drowning. Yet I can't swim a lap to save my life. And

Jessamyn 47:21 you know, runners can't swim. That was like one of the old asked metal filter thread.

mathowie 47:25 When I think of people, I think of like, how good are you at swimming? If I asked everyone I know, it would be this bimodal it wouldn't be a bell curve for everyone's averages, swimming, it'd be this like to peak curve where everyone can barely swim to keep from drowning. A lot of people cannot drown in a pool, right? And then everyone else they like to flap around. Everyone else is kick ass and can do 10 miles and there's nothing in between. So I had personally it was like, I K is like a crazy swimmer. And she can go out and swim two miles. And like, I don't even know how to do that or what to start with or what to wear. Or I don't even know why I need goggles. Like what? And I actually don't wear goggles. Oh, you're hardcore.

Jessamyn 48:10 I just, I can't they always leak and they make me spazzy. So I just deal with like Blinky.

mathowie 48:16 So I'm like, where is the? There's nothing There's pro swimmers. And there's like people that don't want to drown. That's it. Like there's no classes at my local pool for people that are like, I would like to become a swimmer, you know,

Jessamyn 48:31 but I don't drown. So I don't take a beginner flaperon class it was and people had a lot of different advice. Like should you take the beginner class if you do know how to swim, but you don't know how to swim? Well, because that's really the thing, right? For a lot of people, they can swim from one end of the pool to the other and then they get to the other end. And they're like

mathowie 48:51 scuba class 10 years ago, and like, Yeah, our warm ups would kill me like we'd have to do two or three laps. And by the end of that I was like done, and like add two hours of swimming things to do and it was horrible. But I mean, like I've been thinking about this a lot because I'm a pretty good cyclist and okay runner, a terrible swimmer. And you know, the first thing you do when you're in your 30s and you're bored is like make yourself do triathlon, but I have to learn how to swim better. I have to learn

Unknown Speaker 49:17 how to swimming in a triathlons. Not a ton of swimming, right? Well, they know quarters of a mile half a mile.

mathowie 49:23 Everyone is famously terrible at swimming in triathlon. So they don't make them very really Yeah, like See,

Jessamyn 49:28 the reason that I don't do triathlons is I can't run and running is easy, right? I mean, relatively speaking to learn it's just time you can get better faster.

mathowie 49:40 I wish Yeah.

Jessamyn 49:41 I think you could be a swimmer. Well I'm part of the issue too is dude sink. Because they're not no seriously because they don't have as much body fat. And so as a result there's a lot more flailing just trying to keep like your your ass out. Like yeah, not dragging behind you. Because what a lot of people do is they paddle and then like their whole body kind of drags behind them through the water. So learning how to keep your body floating if you're a guy if you're a girl, most women anyhow float better. So it's mostly dealing with propelling not staying above the water.

mathowie 50:12 I was in a pool just last week at a hotel. And I was like, oh, there's a first long pool I've been in I'll try to swim a lap and I after it tells never had long. This is like a 25 yard meet or like real pool. Oh, that's, that's what I swim. And I was like, after 20 feet, I stopped. I was just like, I don't even remember how to do a freestyle stroke, like, time to go back to the beginning of class for me, but yeah.

Jessamyn 50:39 And the difference between knowing how to do it well, and not knowing how to do it well is a lot. So yeah, I always love this.

mathowie 50:45 Oh, and I had, I've had people the thing I hate about so many people tell me, you'd be a great swimmer. You're so tall and I bet you'd go through the water like a freaking yacht. And I'm a bulky guy and I have to fight like I'm like I don't even know I'm good. I need to figure it out.

Jessamyn 51:01 Bulky guys float though. I mean, unless they're just all muscle heavy, you know bigger guys taller guys just have more weight to drag around. Regardless, you know, they just look at like Olympic swimmers. And they're all like tall but they're all been eating. I love

mathowie 51:15 I can't wait for the Olympics coming up to see freakish body types on parade. I know just like softball women, swimmer men like dislike swimmer men. I mean, this is I'll cut this from the podcast, but they're always like, they have way too long of arms and crazy shoulder muscles and like

Jessamyn 51:35 huge, huge shoulders, waist and they're almost naked

mathowie 51:39 and their way and they have gigantic chest cavities for the lungs. Like, you know, like they would look weird on the streets, but they just happen when they can't find clothes that fit. They won the genetic lottery a case brother was a pro swimmer. His waist was like 28 and his shoulders are like 40 or something ice. Oh God, like an upside down triangle. Is Yeah, it's close still fit weird to this day, even though he put on 50 pounds. You know, he was a pro swimmer. But yeah, like, right, right? I but I love the Olympics are just like, everyone looks the same in each sport.

Jessamyn 52:18 Right? It's like because there's an optimal body. Yeah, and

mathowie 52:20 the sport selects for that. Like you can't be great at you know, cycling and be over six feet tall. It's impossible. is too much. Like the wattage just doesn't work out like bodies can't do that. Right. So yeah, love bodies on parade. Is there anything else in AskMe? Edit filter.

Jessamyn 52:40 Um, there were a lot of like, you know, comments that I saw, I was kind of interested, although, you know, I don't know if other people would sort of find this interesting. But this gal I think bought like, a Timbuk. Two bag, did you see this? Like somebody bought like a computer bag. And it has, I didn't know this, they have tags on the inside of them that just say quality shit since 1989. And this person was, you know, vaguely kind of annoyed by it and was like, How do I complain without seeming like a pretty pain in the ass and do it

mathowie 53:18 on faction, the whole company is on that site.

Jessamyn 53:21 I think that's what somebody suggested there was basically, you know, some people who were like, Bri, you are a pretty pain in the ass. But there was a lot of people who gave good advice. And I feel like that's one of the things sort of AskMe Metafilter is good for is being like, Ah, this didn't really go my way. And I'm not sure why, like, you know, whether it's like people think I'm rude, and I don't think I'm rude. Or, you know, I want to complain about this thing, or, you know, we got stuck with this hotel, you know, whatever the heck it is. I feel like having like 100 people tell you like, actually, that does seem totally rude, or whatever it is, like, I think can really help people with those kinds of problems. So that was a good example,

mathowie 54:03 to start with bike messengers in San Francisco and in sort of totally mainstream and legitimize so some of that baggage, kind of weird.

Jessamyn 54:15 Yeah, well, and she was just sort of like, I really wasn't expecting that. Like, what's, what's the deal?

mathowie 54:26 The resolve, the resolution is really like, hey, maybe I'm a little too uptight.

Jessamyn 54:32 Well, she was like, Yeah, you know, maybe I'm not their target. I mean, because a lot of people were like, maybe you're not their target market. I mean, one of the things about the sort of global shopping mall is that, you know, you can basically afford to piss off a certain amount of customers. As long as you know, you can keep enough customers, you know, your 1000 people paying you 30 bucks or whatever the heck it is, right? Yeah. Like I think that's part of the stevis thing. He could basically be like, it's okay for me to dislike Like my opponents position on immigration, I just have to have the people who like me want to support me. Yeah, blah blah, blah.

mathowie 55:05 Yeah, that yeah, that came out a lot.

Jessamyn 55:09 And I feel like I see that a lot in AskMe Metafilter stuff. What did you see on us? Metafilter that,

mathowie 55:13 um, I covered everything I like. There's seems like there's been a billion anonymous posts that were interesting, but I can't, can't think of one off hand. There's just been so many. And there's, you know, 10 a day or something. There's been some hilarious ones.

Jessamyn 55:34 There's been like, Yes, three or four a day, people are taking a lot more. I mean, popular favorites winds up with an awful lot of useful an awful lot of exercise stuff, the funny blurting thing that got favored by so many people, which is something that I know nothing about. Basically, when I remember something embarrassing from my life, I compulsively make some kind of noise and

mathowie 55:59 this was sort of the poor in the woods. Like it's not just me like everyone just went yeah,

Jessamyn 56:04 like 113 people mark this is a favorite

mathowie 56:07 blogging about it going like on other blogs going everyone go read this asthma filter says the best thing in the world.

Jessamyn 56:15 Yeah, I and I've never like it's not a thing that I do. So I don't know anything about it and was as surprised as everyone else. And then it turned into a meta talk thread. Um, I don't remember

mathowie 56:29 I could identify with it. I don't think I do it. But like, yeah, if I think of this one embarrassing thing, I if I just thought of it without thinking about like him now I probably would go go or like just thinking about it. Rethinking you know, some moment from sixth grade or something.

Jessamyn 56:47 Yeah, see that? Never. I have no familiarity with that whatsoever. So it was interesting for me

mathowie 56:54 Never. He didn't ever self reflect ever. No, I'm

Jessamyn 56:57 embarrassed all the time. But it doesn't cause me to involuntarily make any noise. You know, I think of like embarrassing things. And I'm like, huh, that was embarrassing, like, in my, in my mind with my mouth closed. So yeah, I was I was a little a little surprised. Oh, yeah. And then it generated the meta talk thread that had you know, 75 comments, which also had more people talking about other kind of twitchy things that they did. I mean, it's one of the things I think about having like a bunch of sort of high functioning nerdy, geeky people together as they two tend to have the same some of the same affectations, whatever they are not affectations, I don't know what you call it, like their brains work the same way. So they share this website and then it turns out the fact that their brains work the same way mean that they also share other weird things in common Yeah, who knew?

And the metal filter one of the metal filter teams, one at bar trivia and Cambridge, Massachusetts. Whoa, something I learned from adatok art you know the metal filter teams are unstoppable at bar trivia. Well, one of the teams one and I think the other team was in third because they had too many of them. Like there was too many people from one team you're allowed

mathowie 58:17 to pull up an iPhone and Wikipedia with 13 Bar Bar quizzes or no

Jessamyn 58:25 are you serious? You're not googling quizzes Matt

mathowie 58:29 who's fastest on the touchscreen type pad that's competition to have right That about wraps it up for the podcast Great. A minute puts him in the

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