Podcast 25 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 25: The Train Episode (2008-04-14).

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Unknown Speaker 0:07 Jessamyn Welcome to the metal filter podcast

mathowie 0:12 Welcome to Episode 25 of the metal filter podcast this week's features recaps from metal filter and asked metal filter adjustment and myself all music for this week is from a member named King Benny who's posted for just amazing songs over the last two weeks

Unknown Speaker 0:36 they're all tucked away in boxes tucked away they're all wrinkled up and faded like things I keep America's I still love you love you be there all I find when I don't find what

mathowie 1:10 25 water

Jessamyn 1:12 oh my gosh, injury. Yeah.

mathowie 1:17 So 25 loves the music. I haven't listened yet. But every time I listen, I'm always pleasantly surprised.

Jessamyn 1:24 It's all great. All of it.

mathowie 1:25 Yeah. Good stuff. I don't know if we have anything to announce. Separate from recap through the sites. We have meetups coming up. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:39 You and me and probably PB are going to be are going to be at Raphel con. Yeah, some kind of a Cambridge meetup. This now means you have to finish the podcast before Raphel con.

mathowie 1:51 It needs to go on the sidebar or isn't on the sidebar. Nobody put it up on April 26 or something? Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:58 the meta tag sidebar. You mean because we hadn't decided on a location yet? Oh, no. They made a new post today. I know but I don't think they was in a time all set

mathowie 2:07 April 26 They're pretty sure it's Cambridge Brewing Company. 7pm. Yeah, they pretty much good new plant site. But I wonder how these midweek meetups work. So I see the 26 because always four or five on the weekends somewhere in the world. But then there's a Wednesday meet up in Salt Lake City or Copenhagen, Denmark, you know, like, how many people show up to Wednesday meetups.

Jessamyn 2:33 You know, I think if they're like after work happy hour meetups, people probably totally show up. Right? Like, you know, whatever. If you're in Chicago in the loop, hey, let's all go to the bar after work blah. Around around here. They're impossible.

mathowie 2:45 Yeah, it's always location aware problems because a lot of people like I got a drive from upstate. You know, I gotta leave at three o'clock. No way.

Jessamyn 2:52 Yeah, well, I mean, we had the Northampton meetup. It wasn't on a weekday but we got people from like, all over like people came from like, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, New York, Connecticut. And I don't know what the fuck Rhode Island but like everywhere else in New England. It was it was actually kind of nifty.

mathowie 3:11 I saw on the Chicago recent Chicago thread media posted meetup video I think on a

Jessamyn 3:20 no shit really? Yeah. Oh, neat.

mathowie 3:23 actual video of a meetup out to bring.

Jessamyn 3:26 Oh, Mrs. Pants slapping Amon daily. I know both of those nice people.

mathowie 3:31 I've never seen a picture of him and daily eemaan daily. And yeah, that was cool.

Jessamyn 3:37 Oh my God, that's adorable. Put a face to the name and Mrs. Pants is wearing a wonderful outfit.

mathowie 3:43 This is pants is a user on the site, right? Yeah, so many people have pants in their name is a funny word. Name another one. It's pants Pants. Pants pants.

Jessamyn 3:54 Go go slack ago. Go. Slack and word for pants.

mathowie 3:58 Sorta. Yeah. Let me do a search for pants. Users pants. It's gonna be a lot. You think so? Safe pants whistle pants pants on fire. Shooting

Jessamyn 4:12 like shooting? Shooting you know shooting make gun pants we all do?

mathowie 4:17 Yeah, should you make gun pants Mrs. Pants see my pants? Monkey pants. Any pants? I see pants all that pants the guy was I thought I thought Mrs. Pants was pants with the exclamation points wife or something. Oh, and corduroy pants JimBob high

Jessamyn 4:34 tech underpants who I know personally Of course. Yeah. Rabbit only

mathowie 4:38 shows. Robot there's another Mrs. Pants. There's a nice pants and a Mrs. Pants. Mr. Fancy Pants Fancy Pants thunderpants.

Jessamyn 4:48 Doctor, Doctor party pooper cranky pants Esquire

mathowie 4:51 this bitchy pants.

Jessamyn 4:54 We should do dramatic

mathowie 4:55 readings. Like yeah, see? I see pants all the time. I Can't keep them all straight. There's so many people pants in

Jessamyn 5:02 there. There's the pants and the pinks and the the numbers and yeah, and the oranges and the clocks and the

mathowie 5:10 Yeah. Confusing. A lot of them has has nothing

Jessamyn 5:13 to do with anything. Ah, well, I was gonna say that all the jobs are like blah, blah blah work for my work for my coding, coding salt mine, but there's actually like two really good metal filter projects, at least one of which I know you saw because you commented on it. The bicycle, the bicycle tutor device.

mathowie 5:37 That one's fucking amazing. Just because I had, it's amazing. I had already seen it. linked on other cycling sites. I started following just the cycling tag and delicious because I'm bored and obsessed with bikes lately. But yeah,

Jessamyn 5:50 I think you have too much too much free time is that yeah, I've

mathowie 5:52 watched like tons of these, like how to justify bikes. I used to work at a bike shop in high school. And I was terrible at some of this, like, harder shit to do. But it's great, like super nice intro videos by a bike mechanic. I think it's from Vancouver or Seattle or somewhere up there.

Jessamyn 6:08 But Alex rim a LX and kind of a new user to Yeah, brand new users in Vancouver, Vancouver, Vancouver. I'm not gonna clock hey, look, and he's a library worker, as contact colleague. Yes.

mathowie 6:23 So I yeah, I saw them, like linked on a few sites. They're like, here's how you're just a derailleur. Here's a gesture breaks. And like, these are all totally useful things that take two seconds that are paying the butt to take your bike all the way to a shop to

Jessamyn 6:35 get fit well, and you're probably afraid if you're gonna like, take it apart and fuck it up. Maybe you're not going to start. But if it's not that tough, and you can like know all the steps in advance, like I'm always afraid I'm going to take part of my car apart. And then realize, I don't know what like step 11 is and then I can't even get it to the mechanic and then all my neighbors come over to make fun of me and like, what do you do? It's horrible. With a bike, at least you can pick your bike up. So

mathowie 6:58 yeah. Um, what else do you like? And

Jessamyn 7:01 I also liked the paper doll blog as somebody who briefly went through a paper doll phase, you know, couple weeks ago, well, when I was six, but you know, she just has like printable paper doll outfits. It's this one user, Shiro Barra, who is not a new user, she's a four digit user. And she has a little blog where she puts up drawings of different clothing that you can put on paper doll and it's nice. Yeah, it's just nice and simple. And it looks awesome. And she's a good drawer. And her job is paper, doll artist and TOEFL rater Test of English as a foreign language, which is funny. That's, that's a job that I used to do. Yeah, I saw that I'm gonna go be friends with her

mathowie 7:48 daughter. Not really into paper dollars yet, probably, like, seven, eight years old. But I thought that was dressing her in those. Yeah, like an awesome way to have tons of traffic, like a great blog idea. I never in a million years thought of like, just post a new, I mean, it's not that hard to come up with something new drawing every couple days. And like a lot of people can get a lot of use out of that.

Jessamyn 8:09 Well, and it lets you be creative, and it kind of keeps you encouraged to be creative. You know, I mean, sort of like why like Metafilter music or whatever. It's like, oh, I can put a new thing up I can put a new thing up and you know if that's your thing, blogs make it really really easy to do that. And then I'm sure you get lots of great email from eight year olds.

mathowie 8:30 Like purple, big purple princess. If

Jessamyn 8:35 so, yeah, I thought that was I thought that was great. So projects was very, very full

mathowie 8:38 medical versus YouTube comments was on projects since our last podcast.

Jessamyn 8:44 Oh, was it and in meta talk, you have

mathowie 8:47 the New York Times Freakonomics

Jessamyn 8:50 and cortex and I both commented, did you comment

mathowie 8:53 there? You gotta like he had said everything and then I saw you say everything.

Jessamyn 8:57 Yeah, this was cool. The meta filter comments versus YouTube comments. How does it do that? And where are the comments come from? Oh, I remember reading

mathowie 9:04 about he's ripping down like, I think with Yahoo pipes you could say

Jessamyn 9:11 I is raping the little boy fuck it I'll stand under your umbrella.

mathowie 9:17 I just love like every time I load it it's like you know well if you look at this from several in the metaphor side like you know there's many things going on that make and the other side is always like yeah, you are all gay or fuck you all or go to my crews land fight you know, here watch my video. It's like horrible.

Jessamyn 9:35 Oh, yeah. And by the retard comment I mean pones or master UV noobs I want cortex to do a song that's just a dramatic reading of the whatever YouTube comments show up on the top of this page.

mathowie 9:49 Knock knock. Who's there? Me. I kill you.

Jessamyn 9:54 Oh my gosh.

mathowie 9:55 I don't know why I think that's so funny. Check my porn vids, please. Oh, and people are

Jessamyn 10:01 talking about like, where the I kill you meme comes from. I mean, you know, even on meta filter talking about YouTube, I get sort of interesting, interesting stuff from it. So I enjoyed it and not just because it's like or meta filter rules, YouTube drools, but because, you know, the discussion, whatever. freakanomics but like the discussion about, well, why is some commenting better than others? I mean, it's not just that like, I don't know, no, cortex and PB are awesome. It's just that you know, YouTube is huge and they don't have real moderators. YouTube

mathowie 10:33 is hitting some news is like Geist of the crappiest sinkhole on the internet for comments. Like, you know, if ever I had to like give a talk about community, I would use Yahoo News, like comment on this news article as like a like the joke. Like, here's the worst of the web, which everything is like Nazis, Nazis, Nazis, like, everyone's a Nazi Clinton's in it, like they used to be the cesspool of the internet, then I guess it's kind of like Craigslist forums are pretty bad. But like YouTube is the nicest or

Jessamyn 11:03 has strong opinions about Craigslist forums having taken an aggressive downhill turn, then good or no like that. They used to be good. And now like, basically, the moderators have abandoned them. And they're horrible.

mathowie 11:16 Yeah, I mean, I've talked to Craig about before, and he's just like, it's too big of a job. So we kind of let him go.

Jessamyn 11:24 Part of the thing for Google YouTube, for me is just that. Google always kind of like brands, everything like aggressively Google. So like, you can't have like a standout moderator like Oh, cortex, he does this because everybody's got to be kind of a replaceable cog in the Google machine. You know, like, that was the big thing about Google answers. Like I never knew who I was working for. All I knew was I was working for a Google editor. Like I had a job that paid real money, and I didn't know my boss's name. Because like, that's their thing. Like, I mean, not entirely, but like, you never figure out who made certain tools the same way you would on, you know, even like Digg or meta filter or whatever. It's all just the Google machine. And for something like community moderation, I think it really helps to know there's human beings, like, Hi, my name is Jessamyn. And we use say, horrible, you know, baby raping jokes, it hurts my feelings, you know, and I feel like that helps set set a tone, even if, you know, there's no more people there banning people or I don't know, whatever the heck it is. The meta talk discussion about it was interesting. Also.

mathowie 12:27 Yeah. I think I don't I mean, it's just so big, it doesn't scale. I don't think you could scale humanity into YouTube specialists.

Jessamyn 12:38 I think you could, but you'd have to spend a lot of money and give those people frickin health care, you know, and Google's just not. That's not how they scale

mathowie 12:45 be like, Yeah, I know. They don't scale humans, they scale code, but it'd be like, you're assigning these 10 Video threads today that were on the featured page. This is your job today. You have to police all 10 there's also all

Jessamyn 12:58 all you'd have to do is have like, you know, you could have a spam bot that just I mean, can you they don't delete like racist shit. Yeah. And that's like embarrassing. Like you could have a computer do that. Yeah, on something that big and be like, I'm sorry, you're spewing racist shit. I can also against the rules.

mathowie 13:17 Who wrote the forum, stupid filter. That's the site that like, has written sort of like an AI bot to figure out if something was written by a dumbass 12 year old versus like an adult trying to make a point.

Jessamyn 13:30 Oh, I love that thing. Where did somebody posted about that? A meta filter? Yeah, I actually read about it somewhere else

mathowie 13:36 at a talk or something might have been there just have to search for stupid filter, but like it's stupid filter. They have all these test cases that up. And like they look like YouTube comments for the ones that fail the test. And they should just basically absorb those guys's code into YouTube and just auto kick all this?

Jessamyn 13:57 Well, I sort of feel like anything you do would be better than what they have. Now. There is a lot of filter posts. Oh, sorry.

mathowie 14:07 There's a lot of anti Google you know, oh, Google censored me Oh, for Oh, for heaven's sakes,

Jessamyn 14:14 which would be like whatever, suck it up. That's what being the big fish is all about. So meta filter talked about it in October was the original filter. And of course, ambrosia voyeur comment number one, this will wind L. But he went okay, well, okay. Anyhow. So I didn't hear it. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. I just think Anything's better than nothing. But as soon as you start trying to do something, yeah, then you have to admit that you're actually trying to deal with it, which I think what they're trying to do now is just kind of like la la, la, la. You know, give us more content. And, you know, whatever. I guess it's worked. Okay.

mathowie 14:53 So, learn the truth about Scientology. Add on something the other day at YouTube. Like they have a YouTube channel. Then their pay

Jessamyn 15:01 wasn't there. Wasn't there a Scientology filter? Wasn't that in?

mathowie 15:04 Oh, yeah, that's pretty easy. I just like anything from scientology.org Do not display any more ever again, Google, and then against the rules and they write and they drop them. I think so far I've only dropped payperpost Fine ontology and something called human events. It's like some right wing think tank that like just basically swift boats everything.

Jessamyn 15:28 Can you like, can you block a lot of stuff? Like what if you just started

mathowie 15:33 100 or 200 dote, domains like the domain they add points to? So of course, the cytology could just put like Scientology, the truth.com and start doing ads, and it would start showing up until I blocked it. If they were clever. Yeah. Listening.

Jessamyn 15:54 Who said that? Okay. Over to AskMe Metafilter? Over to Metafilter? Um,

mathowie 16:00 I guess Metafilter?

Jessamyn 16:01 I've organized mine in categories.

mathowie 16:06 All right, hit me.

Jessamyn 16:07 Tell me you're surprised. Um, well, no, I've organized I only have like three, but like they're like lined up next to each other my bookmarks. My favorite posts was actually from two days ago yesterday, which was just it was just kind of a normal, a normal post. But it was about something that, like, I liked the subject, but I haven't read that much about. And it's the Wendell Berry post. It didn't get that many comments, but message, people marked it as a favorite. And it's just about Wendell Berry. He's a writer and a farmer. And he doesn't have a computer. And, you know, there's some there's some essays by him. But the reason I wanted to point this out, besides the fact that I think Wendell Berry is great. And everybody should know about him and learn things from him. It was a really good example of like, a post about something that could set people off like What do you mean, he doesn't use a computer, we're in love with our computers. And yet another panacea did like a really good job of just kind of framing it and like leaving it, you know, and being like, this is really good go look, and then left it alone. And then other people kind of talked about it and said, Oh, thanks or whatever. And it was just neat.

mathowie 17:13 I'm surprised people then jump on his political opinions, anti war, anti state anti capitalist conservationists

Jessamyn 17:20 about it without fighting about, you know, like, people were like, wow, the anti capitalist thing, blah. It's kind of I mean, I said, that easy to be anti capitalist, if you're already born, you know, into privilege, but you know, people sort of talked about it and also new user em Hutchinson, that was her first comment. And she was like, please be nice. This is my first posts, and her middle name is meta. So I just wanted to give a shout out to em Hutchinson user EMR. Because I thought that was adorable. And everybody was really nice. So that was the first one I liked. What was another one that you liked? What

mathowie 17:53 kind of live Wendell Berry?

Jessamyn 17:56 Yes, is the frickin post my god you're so terrible.

mathowie 18:01 It's only been 30 seconds and there's links. I was busy having conversation. You're right. I should have been clicking on links. Yeah, multitask My bad. This wacky wacky WHAT THE FUCK Enos is what the fuck pneus and multiple doses? essentially just a weird weird home video of a guy.

Jessamyn 18:25 I didn't get anywhere near that one. Tell me more.

mathowie 18:29 Why don't you click on the video, you click on the video. It's a video videos take forever.

Jessamyn 18:33 And I'm again,

mathowie 18:35 that's why we shouldn't have a flicker. You, you click on the YouTube link on that post. And you actually it's good to just fast forward for four and a half minutes. And then you'll see like magic. It's there's like literal magic. Yeah, it's like this short movie, this guy made of himself, like opening a present on Christmas. It's like a four track recorder or something. And he can play a bunch of instruments. So then he starts playing one instrument at a time and recording and all sudden, he goes this I can't remember if he's in a dream sequence or something. Suddenly, he starts doing and essentially looking at it now. Essentially, like crazy. Insane, brilliant camera work for like 1958 or whenever he made it or 65 1970 Matt really? Wow. So he's doing this all practical. Like there is no software involved. These are all like, he's like cutting pieces of film together or something or using mirrors or something like he's basically a pioneer in like multi tracking video. And so he basically plays a video of himself. I don't know playing six different instruments all at once.

Jessamyn 19:42 Oh my god. No. Yeah, I'm

mathowie 19:44 watching it and it's fucking weird. And it's like, creepy if you watch the first four minutes, just because like filming an old man walking around his house, and then making

Jessamyn 19:54 but it's but it's like something awesome. The Web? Yeah. Oh my god. That's great.

mathowie 19:59 Yeah, and Apparently this guy's somewhat famous or something like that for his expertise, like later on you, you realize you're doing that thing you mean? Well, like he did a whole bunch of other things like, I don't know, like, I just remember reading about it. I don't know if it was on metal filter, but yeah, like you've written books about this and this kind of this like breakthrough technology. You know,

Jessamyn 20:18 this is another one of those posts that is like, in a format that could be really terrible. Like, I went to see this guy's films and I think like, you know, for kids, when, you know, when saw this guy's films and decided to make a post out of it. Yeah, it was great. Oh, he's

mathowie 20:35 alive. He's turning 100. This year, he used to be in vaudeville as a one man band, and he still makes films of himself like this. That's crazy.

Jessamyn 20:43 Oh, my God. That's great. Yes.

mathowie 20:45 So awesome.

Jessamyn 20:47 And he made the Library of Congress National Film Registry in 2000. That's a great post. What a happy making post. Let me see. Well, there was the two sorts of interesting sort of comment mentions one of which was in the slightly odd but I guess, okay, like Eric B's, political ties to a secret of religious group post, which is all talking about? Oh, you know, Hillary Clinton and the National Prayer Breakfast. Yeah. And the fellowship. And you know,

mathowie 21:21 it was a little too like, oh, Skull and Bones.

Jessamyn 21:25 Right, secret people taking over the world, blah. Well, and also, I think I feel like anything that like slags, a candidate around election time is sort of destined to be odd and sketchy, but it was basically like, took some stuff off a book jacket that Jeff Charlotte, wrote, Charlotte, Charlotte, and Jeff Charlotte signed up and said, Oh, hey, you know, you should probably understand what my what my book is about. And what is what does he say here? The book doesn't say there's a conspiracy, but you really should. But but you know, how how to understand Christian conservativism in the US. Yeah, he

mathowie 22:04 kind of deflated the like, weird. He's like, it's not

Jessamyn 22:07 weird and spooky. Well, it's like Chomsky does that all the people are like, are you saying there's a conspiracy? He's like, No, I'm just saying all these people agree on things. And so they all do things. The same,

mathowie 22:17 I thought was interesting. He said, There's a populace front and elitist, avant garde to like, Christian conservatism. And that those are nobody ever talks about the elitist avant garde that you turn the knobs in Washington. Yeah,

Jessamyn 22:32 that has money. And it's really sort of pushing stuff as opposed to just the Yeah, small town or whatever. Bible Belters. Yep. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting. And I was happy to see it. About you.

mathowie 22:44 I was stoked on baby loves hip hop, just because I love Jurassic five. And they're doing a kid album called dyno five.

Jessamyn 22:53 I saw I saw that everybody seemed to really love that.

mathowie 22:58 Sounds awesome. Because, you know, I have like, I have to, like, always be on the lookout for a kid music I can stand and Jurassic five. Oh, my God. That'd be awesome. Like,

Jessamyn 23:06 I do love Jurassic five. Definitely. The URL is kind of funny, right? Because I just think it says baby loves hip hop.

mathowie 23:17 Oh, yeah. Baby lush, hip. Hop. Yeah. That's like my local movie theater. It's like, see a theater stop calm. And it's basically catheters cat haters. Catheter catheters.com. Go see a movie check. catheters.com

Jessamyn 23:36 Oh, I thought it was cat haters. Cat heaters?

mathowie 23:40 Yeah, it's almost like really close to Cat catheter, which isn't like an unpleasant thing to think.

Jessamyn 23:46 Well, it's, you know, the whole therapist, the rapist thing I think

mathowie 23:52 horror presents for presents is the Hollywood agent, agency. It's who represents.com But

Jessamyn 24:01 what are those things called? Yeah, I asked the lazy web someone will tell me

mathowie 24:06 a word for like synonym, but for URLs, you know, some word.

Jessamyn 24:10 I remember trying to explain to somebody or somebody explained to me that they had this group that was doing like, I don't remember microlending or something. And it was called the Women's exchange. But yeah, but so the web address is women's sex change. Yeah, and it was not at all what they were looking for. And like what do you do? You can't even explain to people that stuff like that matters until they start getting crazy man presents

mathowie 24:36 is funny because they all over the site. They're like, capital W capital R represents like they have to over and over and over like tell people it's not horror presents. Oh, you picked the wrong URL. See Italian power company? I think it's the worst URL possible.

Jessamyn 24:55 Oh, I remember. I had a friend who worked for us. Um, like Wisconsin something energy and now I think we've talked about this before because their website was like Wiener g.com Like W E Energy

mathowie 25:11 oh here it is and and worse company URLs Italian power Gen. Wiener Geez. Oh yeah experts exchange is like the popular like one of the proto AskMe Metafilter sites for coders, but it looks like expert sex exchange.

Jessamyn 25:27 Awesome. Well, that's good.

mathowie 25:30 Oh yeah, that's right power genitalia. That's power Jin Italia, but pretty much power. genitalia.com That's awesome. Oh, and the first. The first coming Methodist Church. I forgot about that one coming first.

Jessamyn 25:46 Oh, God, really? That's a totally that's a totally different problem.

mathowie 25:50 Like they knew and they bought that like, probably shouldn't do that speed of art looks like Speedo fart. Penis land.net, which is pan Island. Oh, God, that really is whore presence. I mean, there's no way to misread that. Yeah.

Jessamyn 26:10 Yeah, and it's one of those things like I'm not like a huge fan of like the hyphenated website. Really? A hyphen would have solved your problem there.

mathowie 26:19 What's wrong with mall station? nursery.com. Oh, molestation, there's

Jessamyn 26:26 I love listening to you sound these out? I'm like

mathowie 26:31 funny sex joke.

Jessamyn 26:33 Oh God, or fart jokes.

mathowie 26:38 We'll cut this in post.

Jessamyn 26:40 I wouldn't cut the whole thing. It'd be pretty funny.

mathowie 26:42 Last thing I talked about was drastic five. Which segues into Hey, that

Jessamyn 26:48 reminds me of that awesome Snoop Dogg post where it was like the post was kind of like, whatever. It's like a video and I don't really get it. But then, like,

mathowie 26:57 thinking about sexual eruption or whatever. That's just like, Snoop Dogg. Funny last couple months?

Jessamyn 27:03 Well, he's just Snoop Dogg on the view, right. And he's just like, be in his badass self. We'd like Barbara Walters, like coming on to him. And so there's

mathowie 27:13 three levels of craziness here where it's Snoop Dogg is suddenly singing like weird Barry White SEC songs. Like that's pretty crazy. He's on the view that hit me. He

Jessamyn 27:22 does that all the time. Well, I

mathowie 27:23 mean, he raps but this is sort of like he's trying to be like a singer. And then he's on the singer. Yeah. Well, he's on the view doing this, which is like a weird mismatch. But the third one is the I don't know how someone has video of this.

Jessamyn 27:37 I think it's somebody who works with that person.

mathowie 27:39 Someone records like a rehearsal for lighting, like blocking out a shot. Yeah, for like, for that show. Yeah. And it's what like an old man from the show like

Jessamyn 27:49 an old man, but he's like, kind of this pear shaped dude with white hair, who's basically got a walk around on the stage to all the blocking areas so that they can get the lighting. I guess, the lighting and the sound right hammer

mathowie 28:00 blocking this morning? Oh, for some reason, you gave me the wrong URL. But

Jessamyn 28:06 yeah, whatever. But But yeah, and so he's kind of like waving his hands and moving around, while the thing that thumpa thumpa music.

mathowie 28:14 One of the guys is also acting like a background person in a cape. Wow, I

Jessamyn 28:19 know. I know. That's the best part. That's the best

mathowie 28:22 video of the pre rehearsal is like funnier than, like the two levels of craziness of Snoop Dogg on the view and trying to make conversation with Barbara Walters.

Jessamyn 28:33 The Snoop Dogg on the view part is pretty amusing, too, though, just because he's so like, nice and gracious, and congenial. And they're totally like, you still smoke pot. And he's like, What? Yeah, you know, like, he's like, just there. Right, right there. He's like, Oh, I quit drinking. They're gone. You quit smoking dope. And he's like, What? No, but I mean, he's like on TV saying that I always kind of appreciate that about the man. And then yes, the video on the inside makes it just triple triple plus awesome. And I don't any got like so few comments and so few favorites. So hopefully,

mathowie 29:07 yeah, it's a hidden gem that like deserves wider,

Jessamyn 29:12 wider podcast. dispersal.

mathowie 29:16 The only other thing I thought was cool on Metafilter was the recycled bowling balls. Just because the idea is weird. And it's

Jessamyn 29:23 I did not see it. I mean, like, it's like,

mathowie 29:25 people putting bowling balls in their yard and using it for edging on their lawn and like building Oh,

Jessamyn 29:31 yeah, no, I remember that. That's from a while ago. Yeah. Last week, I guess. And it's from user to poo. Yeah, I've known from Seattle. He's a he's a old like,

mathowie 29:43 this has been this week in context.

Jessamyn 29:46 Sideshow for former I can't help it. They're all my cons.

mathowie 29:50 See the Japan circus guy.

Jessamyn 29:52 His username is tube dude, what do you think he did? I don't know. Smoke posh. No, you should check his website. So Time. He's a really nice guy. Now he's a pharmacist

mathowie 30:05 to recover the pharmacy thing and the last podcast, that probably was

Jessamyn 30:09 what pharmacy thing there was a Why does the pharmacist take so long? Yeah,

mathowie 30:13 yeah, it boggles my mind. Because we have a soup. We go to a super old school tiny neighborhood pharmacy where you can literally see the entire back of the pharmacy like it's

Jessamyn 30:22 yeah, like takes pharmacists so long. No way Did that was totally after. Well see. Now this is a wonderful segue over to AskMe Metafilter. No, that was great. No, you should mention that.

mathowie 30:32 Yeah. Is that from Tell me about your pharmacist, our pharmacist tiny like we purposely askew the Rite Aid and Walgreens because that's 20 to 30 minutes for them to do anything for you. And it's like once every six months, I just need like antibiotics for something. And then we go to our local neighborhood one and you can watch them it still takes five to 10 minutes. Because they're like looking stuff up. And but

Jessamyn 30:56 well, there's all these laws that govern all the crap they touch pie overdone for the win on this thread. Her answer was perfect. Yeah, it was great. Lots of people had like good information, but she was like, Oh, hi, I work in a pharmacy. Yeah. Ba this is the total answer. I didn't think there is no other answer. And

mathowie 31:12 think works in the pharmacy is a very popular job. But there are several people in this thread that worked at a pharmacy explain it. It looks like they look stuff up. So they're doing the you know, the compliance stuff. And then they

Jessamyn 31:25 gotta make sure the person doesn't have contraindications with their other medications, they

mathowie 31:29 gotta go find it, and then they gotta go pull it out, and they gotta dispense it. And then they gotta like, bottle it and then they gotta like, put it on another rack where it goes.

Jessamyn 31:36 Some of the controlled substances, you only can have the licensed pharmacist, not the pharmacy assistant touch. And that's where everything gets all bought.

mathowie 31:44 Yeah, no look, I can sort of watch like a sort of manager or the pharmacy have to write off what they've done. And then they might call my name. But yeah, this was good place to sit except

Jessamyn 31:55 for the blood pressure chair. At my pharmacy, that's the only way I know what my blood pressure is.

mathowie 32:02 The other thing about like, last time I had to go to Walgreens for something and when I had the flu or something was

Jessamyn 32:08 well first of all, you had the flu. Yeah.

mathowie 32:11 Half of it is like Oregon, you know, meth capital of the world. They're really weird now like, oh God, you

Jessamyn 32:17 go out here to any place where you've got a rural passion or or an urban population bored

mathowie 32:22 people and in the rural area, you have to like sign so many things, and now they treat you like an idiot like it was. I mean, I know antibiotics is really important to get people to actually use them correctly. But it's something I learned 20 years ago. But what was the other like, alcohol was I guess?

Jessamyn 32:41 Well, they did a photocopy of your driver's license. That's what they do here.

mathowie 32:45 I think if you get something gnarly like gnarlier than you know penicillin, they do

Jessamyn 32:50 no dude I'm talking about Sudafed. Oh yeah, over the counter OTC I gotta

mathowie 32:54 I gotta Oh, well, Sudafed used for that um, I had like this prescription ibuprofen for my wife I think after the baby or something like it was just barely gnarlier than over the counter Stefanos pharmacy quality and like had to sit there privacy quality I had to sit there and get like a five minute lecture on how use ibuprofen correctly and I was like it

Jessamyn 33:15 can fuck up your butt your liver your kidneys but it was like you remember any of what they told you

mathowie 33:21 just the whole time I was going Can I fucking go I'm really tired. I want to go I've already waited 20 minutes like you take this with water 20 minute like, like I was an idiot like i

Jessamyn 33:34 Are you insulting our pharmacist? metal filter?

mathowie 33:37 No, I'm saying that like Walgreens is sort of like has to get a lowest common denominator with everyone now like they won't give you the stuff until they you get the five minutes. That's

Jessamyn 33:46 like the law right? Yeah, I always have to sign something that says if I did, I

mathowie 33:51 understood what they just told me. It was like how to take cough syrup. Like they told me that one time I was like up God.

Jessamyn 33:57 Well, if you operated heavy machinery who's whose ass is on the line? There they have a signed piece of paper. I told them not to drive the tractor a back and ask Metafilter I would like to talk about spring cleaning.

mathowie 34:11 Where is that? I didn't see that. I've been reading it first

Jessamyn 34:14 April 1. Oh, no. I don't think really there's anything particular to say about the April Fool's Day thing except Oh, that if people miss it, or if they don't know that you can get back to it. There is a link in the footer of every page that says Make It starred and you can click to it and then show it to your friends by the way.

mathowie 34:34 Yeah. Might want to do it on a friend's computer then walk away.

Jessamyn 34:37 I forgot. Yeah, that's a really good idea.

mathowie 34:39 It was a pretty good April Fool's I thought.

Jessamyn 34:41 I felt like it went really well. I mean, cortex and I had like a bunch of like, really complicated ideas. But man this year everybody was really busy and I felt like this went really well despite us not having like the person hours like I wanted to have my last fm que all like say some thing and my Flickr Photo Stream all the pictures of something and but yeah, this year not gonna happen

mathowie 35:06 yeah, we're like, what can we do you know that's not like requires 12 hours of writing and planning. And then someone said like, hey, why don't we just try swapping the colors I'm like, like a green metal filter and a blue ask, like, sort of funny. And then I suddenly remembered like, the old blogger CSS template Erik Costello, who works like so good. That would change colors slowly. And it was weird. And I was like, he could fuck with people. We slowed it way down and add it like,

Jessamyn 35:37 and we made PB like do it slower and slower? No, it's still too fast. Do it slower? Well, and I found it perfect. Because I've always got like three or four Recent Activity tabs open at once because I'm a total dork like that. And so I could actually tell which was the newest Activity tab. I turned it back on Sometimes for fun. I just I don't know what to

mathowie 35:56 tell you. I only got a couple you know, 5% blowback on it that it made one of the page I think AskMe edit filter eventually turned white. So it was white on white for the colored version. You can't read it. They're like you're devaluing our content by making it unreadable for a fucking joke. How's that make us feel? And I was like, ah, you know, it takes 10 minutes to get there. And it's kind of funny. But yeah, it worked out really good. It's a subtle joke. I would say if you click on it, you expect magic to happen and takes a while

Unknown Speaker 36:34 my friends are gone. They've gone move

mathowie 36:52 what was so great about spring cleaning.

Jessamyn 36:55 Well, what was so great about it is I still have snow outside. And so thinking about spring cleaning really got my head in a very nice place where I will eventually see the grass and it will eventually be warm out. And I will clean this place up and it will be nice. So it made me very optimistic about the seasons eventually changing.

mathowie 37:15 Do you ever think of moving to Florida? It's pretty funny.

Jessamyn 37:25 Yeah, but like, you know, it's so empty here. I mean, I'm whatever. I'm near my family and it's beautiful. It's the most beautiful place on earth, Florida. Like the change in altitude over the entire state of Florida is 14 feet. I can't hack it. I can't hang. But it's like eat down.

mathowie 37:41 They see the color green for me to September October.

Jessamyn 37:45 Needs more green than that rough green. Time is awesome. I got snowshoes this year, and I'm in love with winter. But this isn't winter. This is like dirty snow and mud. Yeah. So So I like I'm you know, I'm trying to be positive. You know, like, what I like I just remember the first

mathowie 38:04 time I went to New England in the winter, like I was in Boston and blizzard in, you know, February or something and I thought okay, I could see landing here from a boat from England 300 years ago and being like, well, this is where we're living. But now I know Florida exists even the colonists knew it existed in Georgia was you know nicer why didn't they move?

Jessamyn 38:30 Because they didn't know any trees that's true because there's just huge books down there have you been down barely, but like things you've everything rots frogs move into your bed like it's horrible. It's

mathowie 38:42 like dying of starvation with no farming you know farming is gone six months of the year like how the hell do you live 300 years ago up there just shoot deer all day.

Jessamyn 38:52 You eat potatoes and walnuts in fish Wow. I would have moved that's why we're also smart up here. We had to figure it out man. That's why everybody down in Florida so relaxed

mathowie 39:05 and that's why all the crazy shit happens in Florida.

Jessamyn 39:09 Well we can start talking about that meta filter post about the schools but I don't recommend it.

mathowie 39:14 Yeah disaster porn one or whatever it

Jessamyn 39:17 was a no the one that turned into a fuck the self threat.

mathowie 39:20 Oh noes are always pleasant. Yeah, no,

Jessamyn 39:23 I recommend this be stricken from the record entirely but like that's what happens right? Like everybody in the south gets totally complacent and then they don't pay for anything and then their children goes stupid. Don't quote me dude. I'll have to I'll have to quit. Oh, well. Plug safety. I think we should issue just a little memo about plug safety. Yes. If you pull the plug halfway out of the outlet and put your finger on it. You will get a nasty shock. Many metal filter people shared with us the nasty shocks they

mathowie 39:51 have gotten those. Yep. Yeah, yep. We do need Jesse to test that out. So what was great about sprinkly just put you in the mindset of spring cleaning. Are there any, like amazing tips? Ah, that you never heard before.

Jessamyn 40:09 The one that I, what I really sort of enjoyed was, it's one of those things where like, you read the thread and you realize that other people are totally different from you. So like unsane, the user unsane talks about how for him he plants several 100 Trees walk in the spring, like that's part of what he does

mathowie 40:26 you have 1000s of acres.

Jessamyn 40:29 I don't know now I have to go figure it out. Let's see. I'll click on the little

mathowie 40:34 tons of lives driveway. Wow, he must live in some

Jessamyn 40:37 crazy musician. Oh, Meaford. Well, at any rate, he's planning hundreds of trees. And so what I enjoyed about that post generally, is the whole idea that you know, spring cleaning for different people involves very different things, clearing up fallen timber, putting a few tons of gravel on the driveway. Just a few tons of gravel. Some people are starting vermut Verma, post Burma, post Verma composting, you know, some people power wash the house, some people put away clothes. I mean, it kind of depends if you had like a real real winter or just kind of a, you know, change of the seasons or whatever. Yeah, but I thought it was I thought it was really interesting. And I just think about unsane and planning hundreds. That is planning hundreds of

mathowie 41:27 fucking work.

Jessamyn 41:28 How would you know? How would I know? I just guessed that it would be I've

mathowie 41:31 planted a dozen trees in my life. And each one took an hour. So I couldn't imagine.

Jessamyn 41:36 I used to, like get stuck into planting trees when I was a kid when my parents were doing

mathowie 41:40 maybe those little tiny baby trees in your hand kinda. It's still

Jessamyn 41:45 hard. It's just still really hard. Oh,

mathowie 41:51 yeah. My other favorite posts is me and Andy. Were talking I am and he's like, you're gonna ask this. This is a good idea for a question. I said, Nope. Can't. So he did. And

Jessamyn 41:59 we don't wouldn't. You wouldn't ask it. You wouldn't ask it for him. I already

mathowie 42:02 asked like we were both talking about like, why is this this

Jessamyn 42:06 thing whereby he was like, asked about a filter. And you're like, I already asked him something I

mathowie 42:09 already asked. Yeah, I was like, I can't I already asked something a few days ago.

Jessamyn 42:13 My anonymous relationship filter question forbids me.

mathowie 42:18 This is awesome. You've seen tilt shift photos and fake tilt shift photos where you have like, yeah, yeah, so you have this variable sort of blur. And it basically makes the world look like a bunch of Toy Trains. So our, our question was, like, is that like a brain perception tweak that, like me and him?

Jessamyn 42:39 Why does it make everything look like little toys? And why do I have to tell

mathowie 42:42 myself those aren't toys? Those aren't toys. It's real, though. Those aren't toys. I'm like, That's toys every time I look at it, my first response is that's toys. So we're trying to figure out if is that natural? With someone that's never seen a picture of Toy Trains think that the consensus seemed to be no that you had to have seen pictures of toy trains to know what toy trains look like. And then you sort of like have this record in your brain like, well, if you're taking pictures of Toy Trains, you know, you can't focus on much because everything's so small. So you end up with photos that look like this. And then someone goes out and makes a fake photo basically have large things that look like in the same style. And yeah, there's a lot of like, discussion of camera lenses. No one could figure out like, brain, even my wife who does like brain perception stuff. Couldn't figure out like, if it was like a thing in your brain, or if it's just like your memories with how you've seen photographs.

Jessamyn 43:39 Today, was there an answer? I mean, did they really

mathowie 43:41 it's more, I would say, because that's how your eyes work. There's no consensus. It's mostly like how camera lenses work in depth perception works and object perception. There's like, yeah, there's kind of like, and then we're trying to tease out if someone's never seen a photo of like a train set, like would this work? And seems like the answer is no, but I think when you look at anything small with your naked eye, and you really focus on it.

Jessamyn 44:09 I mean, I know the naked eye. Oh, you just mean with my eyes? Yeah, if

mathowie 44:13 I'm just staring at like a crumb on the table in front of me like if I stare at and then I kind of like think about something six inches away it's pretty much all blurred out in the same kind of way. So I think no, I think someone even that didn't see toy trains might you know, associate toys with how these photos go? I would say there's no satisfying answer yet.

Jessamyn 44:36 So people didn't know if anybody does know they should go right there and

mathowie 44:41 check it out. Check it out. Something I always wanted to know. I guess the other great one was the how to speak with someone who stutters thread. Oh, right.

Jessamyn 44:54 We sideboard that? Yeah,

mathowie 44:56 I mean, there's just a lot of I remember there's this movie It came out, I think it's called Rocket science by guy who wrote a really funny movie. And then this is like a second movie is about like a kid. It's basically about Him, being in high school and being on the debate team and being a starter just trying to get over it by forcing himself to be on the debate team. And there was a lot of like, you know, this is how you should treat a stutter don't complete their sentences. Like he had a lot of stuff to say about that. And then, so this was, you know, I have a co worker stutters, I'm not stutter, what's the nice thing to do? And it's just a wait for it? Am I supposed to make a big deal out of it or not make a big deal out of it? What would be better in the long run? And there's a lot of question, answers here for people who stutter about like, they hate it when people you know, finish their sentences and stuff. Here's the things you should do. And there's a bunch of great stuff.

Jessamyn 45:48 Yeah, no, I thought it was really great. My, my first boyfriend in high school had a stutter like a serious stutter. And so I found it really interesting to read this like, and it was one of those things like, whatever you're like, 14, and like, we never talked about it. Like, he just had a stutter. And whatever that was just the way it worked. And so it was really interesting, listening to people who had stutters, talking about what it was like, or how it impacted them, or whether they sort of move beyond it or aged out of it, or didn't. I mean, I haven't seen my high school boyfriend in 20 years. And so I'd be really interested to know, like, if he if he's still stutters, or sort of what the whole thing is, because I, you know, pretty much always known somebody who stuttered. But yeah, the tall thread was really fascinating. Yeah,

mathowie 46:31 there's a bunch of great stuff on you know, just getting a you know, walking a mile in someone's shoes getting like some knowledge about what's like from the other side for people like they hate it. You know, there's all this stuff like don't get please

Jessamyn 46:44 don't finish my sentences right

mathowie 46:47 now. Yeah. There isn't the moon like I did that movie I mentioned. The key remember, I heard a radio interview on NPR interview with him when he talked about it was like, he always drag one word to keep himself talking like because he knew he would eventually stutter on the next sentence. They had like all these top two Yeah, you had all these tricks like to himself to basically prevent stuttering that he got pretty good at. So he just constantly be humming or something like that. But there's a lot of stuff about how people psych themselves out sucks when you're a kid, man, Jesus.

Jessamyn 47:21 Well, and especially in school, where I'm sure your teachers are, like, are we don't know what to do. I mean, sort of this was before anyone could hop on the internet, and, you know, type, how do I deal with this into Google? And like, figure it out? You'd have to go like read a book or something? Read a book. So yes, the internet has made our lives easier. Yep. And then my favorite, the internet? is exactly how you think it is, is the do I need more of a social life? AskMe add a filter thread that 45 users marked as a favorite. Did you see that? I

mathowie 47:54 saw it early on. I didn't follow up later. I was like, this is interesting that like

Jessamyn 47:59 it was a basically just an anonymous post was like, I don't really enjoy social activities. Is there some reason? What am I missing out on by not being social? And you know, there was lots of people, of course, who were like, Hey, I'm not very social, either, including probably me. But people talked about like, well, I'm an introvert, or Well, I used to be like you and then I decided to do this, that or the other thing, and I don't know, I just thought there was a lot of people chiming in from various angles. The lead

mathowie 48:26 in was funny, it was like, Yo, I used to hang out with coworkers used to have this bunch of friends, you know, and then I went through this period where I just hardly saw, there's nothing wrong with me, right? And the funny part was like, and then you know, I didn't see anyone I didn't even speak to another human being for four days. And then I realized, hey, nothing's changed. What's wrong with me? Or is there anything wrong with me? Like it was pretty cool? Yes, yes, exactly. accidentally discovered they are an introvert seems like

Jessamyn 48:55 you just sent it to her baby. That's okay. Yeah, exactly.

mathowie 48:58 Ah, there's anything really amazing. I have a whole bunch of like personal like, oh, that's neat. I always Oh, yeah, that's funny. But none of them had really satisfying solutions. One that was awesome.

Jessamyn 49:14 Awesome and solved. See? Yeah, I kind of loved a lot of the ones from last time and this time, whatever I've been, I've enjoyed them. But there weren't any where I was like, this is the total I think this is the total best Oh, except sorry, catalogs. It was probably one

mathowie 49:29 of the most popular but that was on a bunch of blogs and people probably saw that.

Jessamyn 49:34 What was it? Oh, the US catalogs one useful

mathowie 49:37 catalog? Like what are the best catalogs in any sort of world that I don't know about? Was it was it an adventure box? Yeah,

Jessamyn 49:44 it was on Kottke only see metal filter? I

mathowie 49:47 you know, it was on kaki that it showed up on meta talk for being on Kottke which was kind of funny. No,

Jessamyn 49:52 no, that was about the outside thing. This did too.

mathowie 49:55 Yeah, yeah. Oh, wait, no. Yeah, the outside one was the one on meta talk. But yeah, Oh, that's right. But he did link to this too.

Jessamyn 50:03 I like this one, too. Speaking of trains, um, this was basically a question. I want to buy a train car and travel in it. How do I do? That's

mathowie 50:12 awesome. That's what Yeah, I always thought that would be when I was like, 12. I thought that'd be the coolest thing in the world. Oh, no.

Jessamyn 50:18 Well, and it's really expensive. And people tell you how to do it, but it can. It can be done, you know, actually

mathowie 50:26 possible. I thought this is the stuff of like, 1930s comic books or something.

Jessamyn 50:31 You just have to I mean, it's a money thing. It is. I mean, people used to be able to do it more, I guess, because like rich people on the railroads,

mathowie 50:39 someone who worked I can't imagine it's this essentially like a commerce transportation thing that's away from the regular. I can't imagine how you schedule your own train to pick you up and take you somewhere amid all the shipping that's going on.

Jessamyn 50:56 And then Peter and has the one year I had job as it attendant on a really rich guys private rail car.

mathowie 51:03 Awesome. I guess you just tack on to Amtrak trains.

Jessamyn 51:08 Yeah, somebody includes a link about how to do that. But the first, the first comment, basically points to the AAA PR co.com The American Association of Private railroad car

mathowie 51:22 charge,

Jessamyn 51:24 it gets expensive, but like some of those people will actually do tours like so you can it's like a cruise ship. Like you pay somebody and ride around in their real cars

mathowie 51:32 this on the like level of owning your own jet like in terms of

Jessamyn 51:37 like owning a Cessna where you can rent it or like a little plane where you can rent it or you can lease it or you because I mean otherwise, you can't really get the thing on and off. I mean, you have to it's like a boat. You have to moor it somewhere.

mathowie 51:51 Here we go. About that. I'm trying to see $100 per car per day, but there's a train track that connect dollars a mile

Jessamyn 52:00 Holy shit, the town that I live in to the town that I work in, and it's actually more direct than driving there. I want to get one of those little cranker card you know things

mathowie 52:11 you go to Portland is $225 A Night to keep your car on the tracks. If I go to Portland, Portland where you are, yeah, like if your car rolls if your train rolls into Portland like City of Portland, they'll charge you 225 Odd sits overnight like on Amtrak's tracks. God, can

Jessamyn 52:28 you leave it? Can you leave it on? Like a side? Whatever those things are called? You know, like you pull it off to the side?

mathowie 52:34 Yeah, $2,000 a month if you want to store it at a that's like a lot of money. $2 a mile if you're going across the country, so cost you four grand.

Jessamyn 52:46 Five grand Jesus. How big do you think the country is? Matt?

mathowie 52:50 I don't know. 3000 miles across 2500. Yeah, sir. 3030 500 $250 per car per year. For administration fees. This is crazy. Well, it's expensive. There's some tracks.

Jessamyn 53:07 This is what happened when we gave the railroad eminent domain Oh, there's this.

mathowie 53:11 There's these tracks outside of town that I guess are serviced a lot. And the other 12 year old fantasy I see driving around or like rail company trucks where it's like a giant ford f 250. With, you know, the up and down actual, what would you call them, you know, train wheels, their train axles and train wheels attached to a truck that like raise up and down so they can drive it on the street. That is the ultimate car like because you can just jump on the tracks anywhere you want. Put down wheels and use the truck for like, you know, we can lift the front wheels completely off onto the railroad wheels.

Jessamyn 53:53 Those are neat. Those are really neat. And of course, the dead tree catalog. The dead tree catalog posts the whole thread the first the first catalog is for go to catalog for model railroaders. So maybe this is art. Maybe this is our train episode.

mathowie 54:10 Yeah, I remember I was in college I worked at like my old junior college, basically being the chem lab guy, sort of like a TA and I'd set up and have to set up all the labs before students would come in. And then I'd have to like sit there for about two hours and watch them go through the class and sometimes help out and answer questions and stuff. But I had a lot of downtime. And when I wasn't doing homework, I was reading the someone mentions it the Fisher Scientific catalog.

Jessamyn 54:40 Oh Edmond scientific or is Fisher

mathowie 54:43 Fisher's different company. It's like the people who just based supply chem labs and biology departments and stuff but this thing came as like full color like phonebook and it just reminded me like the Sears catalog as a kid because it has so much stuff in it. And you like kind of get away from it. Embry by subject it was always fun to look into like the biology section. Because it was Oh yeah, where you can get like buckets of frogs. Yeah. And you could get like real dinosaur bones and which bone on the dinosaur do you want like and there's things like oh, they're only 200 bucks or something like hey, that'd be kind of cool on my desk a giant like dinosaur leg bone or something. It's just the stuff was so random.

Jessamyn 55:22 So we used to have the Edmond scientific catalog in my house when I was growing up, because I don't remember why. But at any rate, same kind of thing like little fidget things and weirdos. I mean, if you like grew up and like living in Seattle, Archie McPhee like has some of their stuff surplus and like Boeing surplus has other similar stuff, but getting to kind of pour through a catalogue where you can look at 1000s and 1000s of things

mathowie 55:46 Yeah. And like weird stuff like you can just buy rocks and things that you're like wow, like that's yeah, how do you keep that frogs? Yeah bucket bucket a dead cat fetal pigs you know for all the classes

Jessamyn 56:02 Yeah, great. Yes horrible but you could get them delivered to your enemy

mathowie 56:08 they do steak

Jessamyn 56:10 All right, but is that it? Yeah, I think

mathowie 56:12 that's about it

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Unknown Speaker 58:58 if there's any justice in the world is my company that this be a lesson that there's not that there's never done

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