Podcast 24 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 24: Jill Sobule Interview (2008-03-25).

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mathowie 0:00 and gentlemen, welcome to the Melville to odd cast. Welcome to Episode 24. The meta filter podcast today features an interview with singer songwriter Jill Sobule and recaps from around metadata adjustment.

To that, so we covered a Jill's next record on meta filter and you signed up, which was cool. Yeah, that was great. And then you met your goal. So, welcome to the metal filter podcast, Jill. And I just wanted to talk to you for a few minutes today and ask you how it's gone.

Jill Sobule 0:47 Well, other than having a call today, I'm, I'm fine. I reached my goal. Yeah. And now Now I have to now look, now I better do a good record. That's now

mathowie 0:59 a friend of mine did this he raised $5,000. But it was just for the production. Like he already had the songs. He had actually demos. And he just needed like pressing CDs and, and promoting it. At what point are you on this record? Like you start to write the song? Um,

Jill Sobule 1:15 well, I never feel like I have enough or the songs but I have so many songs. So now it's I'm gonna go in and record figure out which songs I want to do probably do more way more than I need, and then pick and choose. But I'm going to start Thursday actually recording.

mathowie 1:34 Oh, sweet. Yeah, like, schedule in your mind, like something like Christmas time or,

Jill Sobule 1:42 ah, that would actually be great. Because I assume I'm going to start, my idea is to do three different records. And one would be a studio record. And the other is want to do a live record, which will be more with a a either just mean guitar, or probably a live band on the back half of the tracks. And then I want to do a record of just, that's where it will be just guitar on me and play to a click track or a grid, and then have the audio files so people can produce mix, do whatever they want with those. Oh, very cool, make make make a disco track or whatever. But I thought it'd be great. And maybe if I had with some money to say whoever, you know, give 10 songs and give a prize of a $500 to the best mix or something.

mathowie 2:36 Yeah, that'd be really cool.

Jill Sobule 2:39 Yeah, so that's, that's, I'm still I'm still trying to I'm still very spontaneous on this.

mathowie 2:46 Are you going to be I guess releasing it from like, all these albums would be released from your site?

Jill Sobule 2:52 Yeah, what I'll probably do with from my site, but also you know, maybe try to get some distribution and but it won't be going through any other record company but maybe just distributing it CD Baby or something. Right, right.

mathowie 3:09 I know on some of the bigger donations you offer, like the right people jingles or Let them sing on your album like, in the end, how many people how many jingles you have to write and how many people are on your album?

Jill Sobule 3:21 Oh my god, well, well, which was kind of ridiculous. The Platinum what was the weapons grade plutonium level which was 10 grand, which I did kind of a joke or someone can sing with me or do a duet with me. And I got one person Joe Pittenger from the UK who I don't know who she is. But she's planning on coming in a couple of weeks. Oh, wow. I don't know what we're going to do. But Joe is going to do a duet with me. And I have a lot of I have, like 40 theme songs to write Oh, my God. I know, I've got a lot of work to do.

mathowie 3:57 Wow. Like a month of work.

Jill Sobule 4:01 I know. And it's really it's the thing is, I'm having so much fun doing it. I mean, the drag of cutting off the Jill's next record.com, when I hit the 75,000 was not so much that I wanted to get more money that it was just really, it was just a ball doing it. And in I contacted everyone who gave $5 to to Joe who gave 10,000 And, and talking to people like us, it was fantastic. Actually. Yeah,

mathowie 4:33 that's great. Do you see this as a one time deal? Or I would assume, you know, creative ways of funding your record after this will probably be in your future, right?

Jill Sobule 4:44 Well, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. I mean, we joke, of course, I want to but you know, Jill's first kondo.com. But then I'd have to figure out what the gifts would be. Come come live in my ad. Oh,

mathowie 5:00 this project got received really well because I think you're like the exact right size of artists in the music industry for it to work. Like you're not you're big enough that everyone's kind of heard of you, you know, they probably heard one or two songs from the 90s. And but you're not so big that people just assume you're a big rich, like musician. And, you know, asking for small donations like, seems perfectly fine to you know, pretty much everyone on metal filter. I didn't see too many naysayers or anything.

Jill Sobule 5:33 It was funny. I only got a couple nasty comments and a couple of them were on like there was a prog rock site. And I loved I loved you know, it's always horrible to Google yourself. Google blog yourself. It's just bad. But I had to go on and defend myself because I felt some people didn't understand it. Some people were saying it doesn't cost that much to record a record. Well, of course it doesn't now but this is trying to do everything touring. And so I just felt I had to defend myself and I and I did it in a nice way. And I went on the prog rock, fine. And the guy emailed me, he sent me $10 and emailed me thanking me that I was probably the only woman that ever went on the PROG rocks. Which I got a kick out of the other one was that, you know, Perez Hilton. Yeah. Which I thought I got a call saying you're on Perez Hilton. And I'm like, Why me? It's usually, you know, nasty things about Lindsay Lohan. And, and, and he put up this horrific picture of me and had that I was begging for, you know, this one hit wonder from the 90s No one has known about is begging for money. And I got so upset because why why would it be so mean? And he didn't seem to understand what the whole thing was about and and then maybe four hours later, I guess more people go to Perez Hilton than they do the New York Times. Yeah. And which says something, but I guess it got me a lot of traffic's and got me a lot of donations. That's great. So that was the case of a humiliating picture. Maybe not not being that bad. You know, I always have the fear that this record isn't going to be as good as my last one, which I really liked the last two ones. That, but now it's even more because I'm not doing it for the man.

mathowie 7:39 Yeah.

Jill Sobule 7:41 So, but I'm not, you know, I'm going to give it my best shot and I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to stop till they till those donators like it.

mathowie 7:57 Who came up with the idea for Jill's net next record.com. I

Jill Sobule 8:01 had it a few years ago, and I was just so lazy or procrastinated in getting it done. But originally, I wanted the idea of the people's records, my kind of chills Marxist model, or just where everyone chips in but everyone has or my capitalist model, rather, where everyone has a piece of the action. I could not find a lawyer or anyone that would say that that was a good idea. You know, all the paperwork and the headaches, no one would do that with me, which I still think I would love to figure out if there was a next time. That's how I would like to do it. So whether you are a $5 donor or Joe Pittenger with the 10,000 that you would get, according to your donation, a piece of the pie. But since I didn't do that, this seems to be the next best thing.

mathowie 8:56 What else that's about everything I had to talk about today. So anything else? Well,

Jill Sobule 9:03 yeah, I'm gonna, you know, now Jill's next record.com is kind of there's nothing on it right now. But I'm gonna put a little blog on it where people can talk and I'm going to put some, maybe some songs on it and tell people the progress. And also, I want to let people know if there's songs that they've heard over the last three years that they like, or they want to hear on the record. So those are the kinds of things I'm going to have on Joe's next record.com. So I continue to have, you know, a dialogue with with everyone.

mathowie 9:40 Yeah, that'd be great. Posting demos or early ideas would be great.

Jill Sobule 9:44 Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna post demos and also the silly songs that I'll even put the songs that

mathowie 9:52 will never make a record or you should put up all the theme songs you're making for people. Oh,

Jill Sobule 9:57 that's a really good idea. Exactly. I although I have a feeling for a few of them, I'm going to do the same track. Make the kind of Mary Tyler Moore kind of love American style theme and then just the the lyrics will be different. Yeah. I haven't decided yet if everyone's going to get a different kind of musical thing.

mathowie 10:20 You could put your five favorites on the site or something. So everyone thinks that guy unique song.

Jill Sobule 10:26 That's what if that's actually yes. Good idea.

mathowie 10:30 Okay, that's, that's about it. Thanks for taking time to talk. Talk to you. Thank

Jill Sobule 10:34 you very much. And now I'm a Skype person

Unknown Speaker 10:44 How dark is the sky? How deep is the hill? Done that don't get you then the avalanche will be sister looks good. Your mother.

Jessamyn 10:56 So tell me about? Tell me about your project that you like

mathowie 11:00 Adrian. Adrian Hahn.

Jessamyn 11:04 Here we go. Adrian Mehta filter wiki, Adrian.

mathowie 11:08 Yes. The metadata wiki man who also is like Mr. AR g of the EU. That means I just spilled alphabet soup. Alternate reality games are the sort of real world Yeah, weird, you know, web mystery, but with real world equivalents. He started like the God of it. In the UK. And I guess Europe in general started a couple of companies doing it, and he'd done Microsoft things. But his latest project was this story set in Google Maps, which also remind me sort of my like, you know, Google Maps annotation project, but so you go through, like zooms you through Google Maps. And there's this story attached. It's all part of some massive thing around some book publisher and ended up on meta filter, and I saw it on a zillion blogs. And I got to meet Adrian when I was in London last fall, and oh, just really? Yeah, I

Jessamyn 12:06 saw those projects. I saw the pictures.

mathowie 12:09 Yeah. So yeah, this is on meta filter out to find the link to that. But yeah, everyone seemed to like it. And I saw it everywhere. It's just a really cool way you tell a story within Google Maps, like a novel concept, which also ties into some real world game mystery.

Jessamyn 12:26 Remember, last, I think it was last year that we were talking about that post that like, you could watch a video and watch a line get drawn on Google Maps as you like, drove through France, or whatever it is, am I making

mathowie 12:40 Oh, yeah, something. Yeah.

Jessamyn 12:43 That was the first time that I saw that kind of like, not just data crunching, but like, oh, you can actually kind of experience something and watch it on a map. And it just seems more normal now that like, you know, people have iPhones that are like you are here and do your directions. And yeah, that sort of thing. Okay. Oh, the other project I liked, I totally forgot about this one was a forked, you and I both both voted for it. But it's just like a, you know, nice look in recipe site. And I just liked it, because it's just, it's really nice. Like,

mathowie 13:17 it was like what I saw the cooking filter would always be like some sort of recipe tag based, like every ingredient is a tag every description of the tag some way to serve, like food, recipes and ideas like as easily as possible.

Jessamyn 13:35 Yeah, it's just nice. It opened just a couple weeks ago. And you know, they're, they've got I sort of like it because if you look at their blog, they've got a little to do list down the side. Like this is what we're working on. And they're gonna get like Open ID sport and an API and whatever I just it just seems like it's doing everything right. And I didn't really think there was anything else you could 2.0 In this day and age without being totally redundant and

mathowie 13:58 then forked is not done by court people or what's the other one they have a beer one there's worked for. There's that court is a wine community, which is really cool. So are like wine 2.0. And then they made a beer one, but so it doesn't sound like it's the same, but that's pretty cool.

Jessamyn 14:17 Yeah, and I just I don't know.

mathowie 14:19 Very nice. Very nice. There was a couple jobs. So one job was a Flash developer job making six figures which was nuts.

Jessamyn 14:29 I am too afraid to look at the Jobs page because I'm afraid I will fall in love with it and go get another job. So the last thing I need is like another job. Everything I looked at I saw that all the puppet

mathowie 14:42 Yeah. All the jobs are like it unfortunately, the last month of jobs. But this one's least for someone I actually know. And there's a nice guy and a cool app. They need a systems engineer at wasabi, the sort of like personal budgeting Quicken for the web. kind of software. I guess puppet is

Jessamyn 15:03 Wasabi. Wasabi is amazing. Are you kidding?

mathowie 15:06 They put in cash support for you. I remember,

Jessamyn 15:09 they did put in cash support for me and how did I repay them by never going back there again, because I have this like stupid credit union that makes it I don't know, Oh, it feels

mathowie 15:19 stupid. I've been trying to like, you know, keep track of my money lately. And my bank my credit union gives me some output in text. And then there's, you know, a download of Quicken format. And then wasabi wants the Quicken format, or I can type stuff in. And then there's like, there's all these budget websites. There's a expense website, and you have to type stuff in by hand. There's no import allowed. And there's a like pair budget is another like former project on meta filter. Oh, yeah. Pair budgets. Great. Yeah, it's like a metaphoric dude who just made a really cool Excel macro document he's gave away and now he's turning into like a web based business sort of, like budget app, where for like, you know, for a couple bucks a month, you do all your budgeting online, it's kind of cool. Except, it's like this is digital numbers on a server and a credit union. And I'm sitting here like a monkey like repeating it four times in different websites. It's so Cynthiana

Jessamyn 16:14 was a little older, you could give her a job doing I know, it's

mathowie 16:18 so dumb, it's like, these are computers, why can't they, I mean, there's obvious security risks, but like, God can't wait common format, something like I shouldn't have to type in something that's already on a server somewhere.

Jessamyn 16:31 Well, and I wound up tracking my finances, like for the first like three months of last year, and one of the problems is when you travel a lot for work, like you spend a lot of money one month, but then you don't get it back for like two or three months. And I was kind of doing it month to month. And what I found out was like, I just saved money, like, uh, you know, aunt, or whatever, like the aunt and Grasshopper story. And so what I really needed was, like, you know, tracking investments and everything else. And it was just too. I don't know, I didn't want to be one of those people. Like, let me show you my spreadsheet of my blah, blah, blah, my IRA is up, whatever. So now I just trust that it's mostly working.

mathowie 17:08 Yeah, I also found that when I was trying to figure out, you know, what, am I wasting all my money on? There was just wacky stuff every other month. That was totally you couldn't. You just couldn't like, plan for?

Jessamyn 17:20 Right? Well, and I pay my property tax, like once a year. So it's like, every August, you know, I'm in the hole by whatever. Yeah, and

mathowie 17:28 it's kind of dumb when you look at these things where like, property tax cost you $64.38 a month, you know, like, what it's the $600 bill, like what I don't even think of it is $60 a month.

Jessamyn 17:40 Right. And I don't need to budget particularly so yeah, at any rate. Oh, and I wanted to plug Vito 90s I hope he's already found a lawyer. But he's like somebody that I've known for metal filter for basically since forever since I used to live in Seattle. Oh, yeah. He's like the super nice guy I used or empire. Yeah, doing doing like brewery stuff. And now he's like starting a pet store. And it's just totally awesome. And some lawyers should help him incorporate because he's great. And I remember his old dog, and I just want him to

mathowie 18:12 be happy. So corporations pretty easy. Yeah, I

Jessamyn 18:15 don't think it's that tough. But you know, it's good to have a lawyer help you right? Yeah.

mathowie 18:19 Did I didn't mention this last time. We talked that he gave me the whole lowdown on the pet store versus vet store like dynamic Yeah. Like I have to use this like special food for my cats are having some liver problems. And I can only buy it at a vet and there's all these exclusive backroom deals where the people who make prescription food and quotes like only sell through veterinarians and the markup he told me is outrageous.

Jessamyn 18:48 Like it's like those like beautician shops where like all the good shampoo and yeah, but you can't buy it unless you're a wholesaler fake

mathowie 18:55 scarcity. Like he said he would love to sell it. He has people come in every day going, Hey, I'm paying 20 bucks for like $2 a can for cat food. Like he would sell it for half as much but he said he can Okay profit. Yeah, he said something like that. This basically pays the rent at vet offices, all this prescription food, the markup is like four or 500% Like it's so against the rules. Yeah, like they buy a case of food for four bucks and sell it to you for 22. And you're sitting

Jessamyn 19:25 here like in love with your cat being like, takes for fluffy and yet it's got nothing to do with your cat. Your cat would be fine with something that cost 25% as much you just wouldn't be papering. The vet's office. Yeah, what you need is a friend who's a vet

mathowie 19:41 exam. Yeah, but they gotta pay the rent, I guess. But yeah, yeah, he's pretty cool.

Jessamyn 19:49 He's a wonderful person.

mathowie 19:51 I'm trying to think too easily do metal filter AskMe edit filter first.

Jessamyn 19:55 I think we usually do men. Oh,

mathowie 19:56 I guess we should talk about the meta talk posts. The entire back tagging project

Jessamyn 20:03 Yeah. About how you are all heroes. Did we ever figure out how would shut up

mathowie 20:09 just sound like cold baths except like cold bear to me it laughs You You people are the heroes.

Jessamyn 20:16 You know, that was the greatest thing about being in Austin for South by Southwest, besides being at South by Southwest was getting to watch The Daily Show. And the Colbert Report right after all that Spitzer stuff happened. Oh, wow. Because I don't have TV up here. And it was like the one day I really wanted to watch it. And my friends had it. And it was great. So I don't know what Colbert sounds like. Did we ever figure out how many people how many back tigers?

mathowie 20:39 No, I didn't do any count yet. Looks like someone just did another post about it? No, I don't know. I think I'm guessing it's in the 100 to 200 range.

Jessamyn 20:50 Yeah, like a couple 100 people we'd be interesting

mathowie 20:52 to see like a distribution. I'm sure it's like power law. Where, like someone showed three people that 36% of the work that probably trails to near zero.

Jessamyn 21:04 Yeah, yeah. I mean, basically. And it's weird, because I did probably 1000 posts sometime in like, April in May, when I was having kind of a bad time last year. And then I did like, 20 a month since then. But it still was enough. Because it was like, you know, an obsessive couple of weeks to Yeah, I don't know. Maybe in the top 10. It's hard to

mathowie 21:23 accurately describe the enormity of the project. And how much work it actually takes until you've done it. Like, it's, oh,

Jessamyn 21:33 it was like if the 711 was like a mile away, and you went there and you got to Slurpees every time.

mathowie 21:39 It'd be like the 711 has no price tags on anything. They ask the people that come in to please put them on it and like, yeah. And then the entire store is done. Like a day later. You read the Slurpee thing? Yeah. So I thought this Slurpee thing was awesome. What the reference that? I just did, it was very funny. No, no link to it. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. I mean, you look at a page of 10 posts. And you have to think I mean, this isn't fast work. You have to like read it, synthesize it, sometimes you have to follow the link. Sometimes you have to look at the discussion, and then come up with like, four or five key words and then think of the keyword pile that already exists and how they best fit in.

Jessamyn 22:22 I think the most interesting thing about it was out of like 43,000 posts, somebody said like there's what 7000 of them were broken links. Wow. Yeah,

mathowie 22:31 let me I can go web is broken.

Jessamyn 22:34 Well, the web isn't broken. I mean, certain like news outlets, basically just

mathowie 22:39 oh, news.yahoo.com Totally, I think only worked for a week or two still to this day. Cuz look at this bag, right? Broken Lady

Jessamyn 22:48 400. Broke. And those were ones that like a human being looked at, and added the broken link tag to Oh, my God. Yeah,

mathowie 23:01 there it is. Wow.

Jessamyn 23:03 Politics, USA music, internet, Bush war flash. I mean, those are all the top tags. No surprise, I guess.

mathowie 23:13 Yeah. So it's pretty insane achievement, going through just one page of 10 of them was taking me like 15 minutes. And then well, and

Jessamyn 23:21 we did have the Yahoo recommender that, yeah. Times helpful. Yeah.

mathowie 23:27 Yeah. I tried it once or twice, and then gave up it has it just auto summarize. And it's like auto summarizing words. Sometimes it's right. And a lot of times, it's really, really wrong.

Jessamyn 23:36 Or it'll just pick some adjective. And you were like, What are you doing with that? Yeah, it didn't say, do with anything?

mathowie 23:42 I don't think anyone used it. So yeah.

Jessamyn 23:44 I mean, it was it was I was happy. Paul built it. Yeah. No, it was

mathowie 23:48 cool. Yeah, we were gonna do this for all posting pages. So that, like when you make a post,

Jessamyn 23:57 your post is about lamas. And

mathowie 23:59 basketball, it would run the text to Yahoo and come back and go, yeah, here are four words, we're guessing your post is about, feel free to accept or edit. So it was a cool proof of concept.

Jessamyn 24:12 So for anybody who hasn't checked, who was a back Tiger, and who hasn't checked their user page, we put a little, a little tag and a little

mathowie 24:19 Yeah, and I'll add a count later today for how many you tagged. If it's a lot so people can

Jessamyn 24:26 if it's more than 10. Was that? A lot? It's fun.

mathowie 24:29 Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. It's funny to have a metric you can't goose at all, because we're done.

Jessamyn 24:36 Right? You did as many as you did. Although for us

mathowie 24:39 the second one had 4999 they really tag one more thing.

Jessamyn 24:44 I think it was 98 wasn't it? Yes. So close. Well, and they didn't know I kind of didn't think about it, but like, yeah, I didn't know how many they did. I could see how many I did Yeah, I

mathowie 24:55 thought we I thought we all had screens showing how many we had done but I guess only that was like Some weird admin back in when we made oops. It is useful. It was it was nice to watch it tick up and also pointless when you saw like 12,000 ago.

Jessamyn 25:12 Well, and once we were down into the sort of triple digits, I mean, that took a day. Yeah, I think because everyone was like, Cool. Yeah. And very exciting. So now we have to, like, do interesting things with that giant tag cloud of data.

mathowie 25:25 Yeah. And there's so many Yeah, like, this is just tip of the iceberg. There's so many things we could we could do with this. And we still need to do so.

Jessamyn 25:33 Yeah, no, now cortex will go crazy. So thanks. All right. Thanks, everybody.

mathowie 25:38 I guess there's a good meta filter history, which kind of ties into this, because that's a popular old tag. Someone had a meta talk post about what are all this sort of serendipitous history moments on meta filter. I thought that was Yeah, which encapsulate the entire wiki into 30 seconds.

Jessamyn 25:58 And it was a little bit different than Carson B's shadowy back alleys of metal filter, saying,

mathowie 26:05 yeah, that kind of just mentions every little one off wacky thing. And this is sort of like here, the the one clusterfuck thread from, you know, meta talk, or, you know, here's why people reference orange juice inside of a whale for no reason, like, you know, whatever. I

Jessamyn 26:21 don't know that orange juice. Like, I read that.

mathowie 26:25 I'm just Yeah, I'm just totally, you know, making stuff up, but like,

Jessamyn 26:30 and this one, the perfect meta talk thread, where the guy asked a question, and then nobody answered, No bonds to himself. I feel like we've mentioned that before, but Oh, my God, I every time I read that, and laugh,

mathowie 26:42 this was like, a long time ago, and I didn't have time to answer everything. And this is possible, and nobody answered anything. It was very funny.

Jessamyn 26:50 And user Jim Jones really hasn't been back to Metafilter in quite some time.

mathowie 26:55 Yeah, we need to step up our customer service game.

Jessamyn 27:00 We did though. Yes. And then he went away.

mathowie 27:05 Let me see AskMe Metafilter filter trying to group all my favorites. yank them around in Firefox? That Fave icons are almost the same color. It's hard to tell. I'm old.

Jessamyn 27:23 You're not as old as I am.

mathowie 27:24 I know. I find in my eyes are going to be the first thing to go. You think so? Why are is over? Yeah, stupid computers.

Jessamyn 27:35 I can't wait till I get to work glasses. I totally

mathowie 27:39 nerd up. Plus one nerd points to just

Jessamyn 27:44 wandering around South by Southwest being like my perfect vision makes me unable to fit in.

mathowie 27:50 So on metal filter, I have a whole bunch of just random good comments. And only one post.

Jessamyn 27:57 And I've been sideboarding stuff a lot. Yeah, metal filter, because I've been finding like these hilarious things, you know, buried in the just buried in the comments, are you so I've, well, you know what I mean? If you're not already reading the organic farmer thread, you won't know that the organic farmer featured in The New York Times story followed up.

mathowie 28:20 Yeah, that was the That's the mystery metal filter post I have here. I'm like, Why did I have this thing about Beatles and CSAs? It's because yeah, the guy answered it and Miko had a good comment there. And then the guy in the article Ponyta. Yeah,

Jessamyn 28:35 he was like, yeah, the New York Times made us look like a bunch of hipster nerds. But really, like, We're serious farmer types. Yeah. We have tons of those people around here.

mathowie 28:45 Oh, yeah. I have personal friends that are like that. They just like, you know, studied biology in college. And then we're like, what the, you know, went and worked on a farm. And then we're like, they bought a plot of 40 acres and like, What the hell, let's do farming. The interesting thing is they understand economics. I think this is something you know, two, three generations back in Iowa. No one cared about they just sort of made corn because everyone did corn. But they're like, they're like really strategic like, what can we sell at the high end farmers market with all these rich people from Portland? Like, what will they pay top dollar for? And what what are artisanal? Whatever? Yeah, yeah. So like they did eggs, and they've done free range chickens, and now they're doing beef and they've done sheep, and they find that per pound of input, you know, what can you sell at a high rate? All the food they make is great. But they're just trying to figure out what's the longest dollar they can get out of it? So you know, because they also have two other jobs and stuff.

Jessamyn 29:44 Well, and because they're not, you know, farming 1000 acres. Yeah. I mean, you saw King corn, right? Yeah. Yeah. And how it talked about you know, corn subsidies meant that people basically started farming more and more land but then you need bigger and bigger tractors, which means It's big loans from the bank and that's what's make makes all that stuff unsustainable. Yeah, in a lot of ways.

mathowie 30:06 New York Times tries to make everything reduce everything down to like a bunch of EMO hipster kids doing this old thing in a new way. That really isn't. Right. Oh, they

Jessamyn 30:18 have a printing press. Yeah. To print thing.

mathowie 30:23 Oh, they're subverting the hierarchy.

Jessamyn 30:27 I just think it's one of those like news or where the reporters are, you know, and when the reporters are in Brooklyn, that's what happens

mathowie 30:33 to skew everything to the Brooklyn eyes everything they see. Well, they just

Jessamyn 30:37 don't know anything else. You know, like around here farmers aren't ironic.

mathowie 30:43 rhotic farmers

Jessamyn 30:48 they were trucker hats because they drive trucks if I said this before, are you on AskMe Metafilter are metal

mathowie 30:54 or metal filter stuff? Okay, um, so Paul, PB mentioned to me that we hardly ever highlight the good comments we've been doing on the sidebar a lot lately. So I had a whole bunch of good ones. This one there was a you know, Bear Stearns buy out thing that happened this weekend slight financial collapse of the stock market. There was a post about it. And

Jessamyn 31:22 yeah, somebody asked me about that, like in Michigan, they're like or stock market. I'm like, what what I've been on an air

mathowie 31:29 Sunday night, everything's just sort of melted down. But there's, you know, there's like, here and there inside the threads are some just really good either financial advice or how the system works from people that are aren't used to it. One of these posts is like, you're like 25, economics blogs or 15, economics blogs, they're all going gangbusters over this and explaining add them to your feed reader and play yeah, or just cruise them and check them out. And like because a lot of stuff is like totally nonsense to most people or, you know, and this stuff I find like marginal revolutions on they're totally accessible, and totally makes economics interesting explains a lot of the weirdness of our world.

Jessamyn 32:10 Yeah, no, it's been I felt really lucky to have like Metafilter people who kind of understand this like, even if they don't always agree, like whatever mutant was apologizing for getting in a fight with I don't know Maelor.

mathowie 32:23 Yeah, they fight over money and how bad the money situation isn't every thread that comes up, I think,

Jessamyn 32:29 is if they're not being jerks about it. I feel like people really learn a lot from like, understanding like, well, there's this one perspective that says this and this other perspective like this. Yeah. Not like the fake two perspectives that you get news. Yeah,

mathowie 32:43 yeah, I learned a lot from both of them. I think one of them is pessimistic and one of them is optimistic so that for never the twain shall meet, they always butt heads. But right now or in a very conservative viewpoint on, you know, money and futures and markets. And I think mutant is the opposite. I forget. And you know, there's be Ron Paul jokes back and forth, because a lot of gold standard stuff comes up that Ron Paul talks about, but yeah, I think it's just sort of a What's the more the more he's gonna do next, and how how fucked are we I think, is what everyone's asking. And so you can argue to death like we're really fuck, no, we're really, really fucked. Like,

Jessamyn 33:24 we're only medium fucked. No, no,

mathowie 33:26 some people that thread are like, yeah, there's gonna be, you know, kudzu vines over schools and fire in the streets and like kids and wearing potato sacks. And

Jessamyn 33:36 well, that's actually one of the favorite. I mean, we're sort of jumping around a little bit, but one of the favorite posts from AskMe Metafilter was offer a Blonko. Like, okay, everything's falling apart. What do I do with my money? And for you know, he's like, What about the FDIC? And people were like, dude, if the FDIC goes tits up, like, you have worse problems.

mathowie 33:59 Yeah, that's like one of the last things ago, but it can't cover $100,000 for everyone. So yeah, that yeah, this was sort of the panic mode question, I think asked, you know, in light of last week's stock market happenings but yeah, I'm essentially in the same place where like, investments suck savings accounts. Put it in your mattress sucks because the dollars inflating, it'll be worthless. It's gonna be not worth the paper. It's printed on and then you're like, I'm fucked everywhere. Like, what the hell do I do? Yes, that's a very good question.

Jessamyn 34:40 Yeah, I've been mostly in like reading, you know, reading and learning mode this the last couple of weeks since the last podcast, I think so. What else? What else? Yeah,

mathowie 34:48 I think we mentioned this from the the dances dragons guys passing the awesome story of meeting the Creator.

Jessamyn 34:58 Didn't we mention that last time well, It's not like Right. Oh, no

mathowie 35:01 last podcast came out before this a couple days.

Jessamyn 35:04 Oh, interesting. I guess I was telling somebody else about this.

mathowie 35:08 Yeah, it's on the sidebar. But yeah, I was gonna sum it up the best story of

Jessamyn 35:14 Yeah, like, a kid 132 favorites.

mathowie 35:17 Yeah. Wow. So it's a story of how a user came to learn about Dungeons and Dragons just by accident and played a little and it's like life is topsy turvy with divorced parents in the 80s. And, you know, this is he has no control in his life as he's, you know, going from house to house and then Dungeons and Dragons is sort of this little small world of control. And it goes to meet Gary at a you know, fan calm and I guess he's just super nervous teen, you know, stammering out something and I guess Gary calls them on it. Like, what do you like so much about it? And he thought he thinks with some perspective now that maybe, you know, he was kind of calling his shit on like, you know, just being a babbling fan or something. And he said, What d&d lets me be in charge. I can make my own rules and it still works. When I'm playing it. No one makes fun of me. And then he burst into tears and then

Jessamyn 36:12 he starts to cry. I

mathowie 36:13 know. I'm like, oh, man, I've been there he especially stuff I'd never broke down in front of you know, someone I idolized. But I could totally imagine myself in those shoes. And it turns out the guy was a really cool guy. And he hung out with him calmly for like 30 minutes and talk to him and sent him stuff in the mail and they met years later and he still remembered it stuff. And how totally totally awesome yeah, it's so hard to tell your idols when you're a teen or even older when you're like, you know, it's so hard to thank them for you know, it's turned me into the person I am or something or saved me at a certain time. Right. But yeah, it was awesome. Awesome, awesome story. Thank the only other thing that ultimate Cheech and Chong post

Jessamyn 36:57 I did not see that this is telling me that wasn't not on display.

mathowie 37:03 Not on display. Flop Jackson midnight. No.

Jessamyn 37:09 Does that guy have a job?

mathowie 37:10 I don't know. I'm certainly got hobbies here.

Jessamyn 37:15 Scott. He's got a kid and a piano. And this

mathowie 37:18 is like the ultimate Peewee Herman posts. This is the ultimate. Cheech and Chong post a billion YouTube links to Cheech and Chong clips and information on every what they're doing now. Everything I've ever done. Every movie they've ever made. Interviews.

Jessamyn 37:37 That was my mom's birthday. That was on my mom's birthday.

mathowie 37:41 Cheech and Chong that post

Jessamyn 37:42 Yeah, no, it's the total reference we should probably like start a page on the wiki where everybody is just has like these these big epic reference posts

mathowie 37:58 Yeah. The definitive post on X subject we've had like

Jessamyn 38:03 Carl's why to Carl's done a lot of them. Oh, yes.

mathowie 38:05 Lose And historically, what's his name? Django Reinhardt. There's been posts about like yeah, are in there actually wiki pedia like, except sort of YouTube beer.

Jessamyn 38:20 Well, I don't know if you've the the Cheech and Chong thing that I saw, which of course was not undisplaced comment in a totally different post was the crazy Burton Ernie. speed metal. But you know, where people take like Sesame Street things and then they edit them to be over some other music. Yeah, or whatever. But the two post, which is the Dave's not here, I don't know if you

mathowie 38:49 pick casino one,

Jessamyn 38:49 the casino one.

mathowie 38:52 Or they did you know De Niro and Joe Pesci fighting from the movie Casino. Oh, I haven't commented that. The comment right above it. The one you

Jessamyn 39:03 is it? Yeah, right above it is music is dead.

mathowie 39:07 See? On let me see I have it right here. Copy is right there. Just like this whole script. My wife's

Jessamyn 39:22 Okay. Well, I won't watch it now because it'll make my voice all wobbly. But

mathowie 39:27 it's very funny. There's lots of these. Dave's not here.

Jessamyn 39:32 So do we really do this on March 1? Is that really?

mathowie 39:36 We recorded it like February 27 or something and then I released it on right around March 1. Or second.

Jessamyn 39:42 Okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Because that means my favorite asked Metafilter post about stargazing falls under the Oh, is

mathowie 39:51 that the one where you're supposed to travel? Where can you travel for the best stargazing? Yeah,

Jessamyn 39:56 where can I go for the awesome start? I didn't know

mathowie 39:58 there was a such thing as dark areas that are cordoned off as being dark that you would go to to see more stars.

Jessamyn 40:06 Yeah, well, I mean, they put observatories in those kinds of places, and a lot of people sort of go to them. And there's also like these big maps that you can see from

mathowie 40:16 Yeah, I didn't know there's an International Dark Sky Association with locations lumens and like ratings and stuff.

Jessamyn 40:24 Yes. According to bitter old punk.

mathowie 40:27 Did I ever tell you my Milky Way story?

Jessamyn 40:31 I don't know. Did you? Is it about Australia?

mathowie 40:33 No. I'd never seen in my entire life. I had no idea where you're from California. I'm just from Southern California. I don't even know what people are taught. I mean, I knew it's like it's there. But you can't see it. You know, it's just sort of this thing in the heavens, just people in Southern California. You don't see it anywhere, ever. Even though I would go outdoors. I just never saw it. I was 19 or something. And I backpacked into the bottom of the Grand Canyon with an uncle who lives in Arizona. And that was like, my first major backpacking trip. It was just insane. Like, you know, in the canyon, you're in the canyon, you look up and there's sort of like blackness from the walls of the canyon. They're sort of the strip and it's just pure white. You know, clearly you can see the entire, because there's no real lights for 50 miles. You can see the entire thing and I'm like, What the hell is that?

Jessamyn 41:26 Like? Why Why? Why didn't I know that was up

mathowie 41:29 there. I was just like, completely like, you know, like caveman. Like, what on earth? Is that? Like? I've seen a few stars a few dots. Why are there so many dots? And why are they all in the middle? What what is something happened is something blow up today. And they're like, Are you a fucking idiot? Like? That's the Milky Way. I'm like, Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it kind of looks like something. I seen a science book before. But

Jessamyn 41:52 all right, Google, I think I saw that on the internet. Like

mathowie 41:55 before, it was it looked like Like, I've only seen it in science books. I didn't know it actually could be seen from the ground. Because, you know,

Jessamyn 42:03 that's a really interesting point. Like, I had seen the Milky Way. I in person, I guess you say before I saw it on the internet, it wouldn't even occur to me what it would be like to see it first. You know, in a book, and then like, be like, Oh, but this isn't what the sky looks like to normal people.

mathowie 42:20 On the same page, they show it they'd be like, here's a picture of Andromeda, you know, like the horse in the smoke. And you're like, Yeah, that's what it looks like. And you're like, Oh, sure, with the fucking Hubble like 1000s of miles off the Earth's surface. Looking at that one point, maybe it looked like that. So I assume that the Milky Way would look like how it looks in a book if you're way out there. And using a certain telescope. I didn't know you can even see it with the naked eye. That was the first night I slept under the stars. I was 19. Like really? Holy. Teen Yeah. Holy, Crazy, Stupid upbringing in a city like where there's just no backyard at all. I had no backyard whatsoever. So it's like no tent. Sleeping. My favorite. This is awesome. One. What part time or full time job allows lots and lots of reading time.

Jessamyn 43:15 I come into

mathowie 43:18 life garden. That's not very smart to all the time. But yeah, it's

Jessamyn 43:22 really funny, because lifeguard depending on what you're doing, is either the perfect answer the totally terrible answer. Like for me being a lifeguard it's like me sitting at the pool with like, 50 or 60 kids all trying to kill each other. But like for a lot of people, there's like two or three lifeguards and like to like old people swimming laps, and they're kind of like, like, what else are you supposed to do?

mathowie 43:44 But it's like a master of efficiency kind of question. Like, you know, I'm in college, I might have to have a part time job. I also have to spend six hours a day studying and reading do my homework. What if I could combine the two like, you know, that's essentially what they're asking for is, and there's like all these, you know, nighttime operators of a gas station that's automated. All you do is sit there. Once an hour you make change?

Jessamyn 44:10 Well, I know some people who work in like data centers, you know, and the big thing that they do is if something goes crazy, they have to freak out and call people and do stuff. But otherwise.

mathowie 44:22 Yeah, yeah. And watch the screens.

Jessamyn 44:24 And I just

mathowie 44:26 saw there's a lot of a million great ideas in here. Love the one work at a one screen arthouse movie theater, because you work once every two hours for 10 minutes. I thought that was hilarious, right? You give people popcorn and then and then there's nothing because there's only one screen. I thought there was a nice little story from David J here about how his dad you know, his second job was a nightwatchman and he read and he actually like read towards getting a job at the place. He was the nightwatchman for, which Oh, sort of Ella Did his branch of the family from dirt poor to middle class like II read a programming book and became a programmer? Because he was a security guard at IBM? Oh, killer? Yeah, his dad sort of set the path.

Jessamyn 45:13 I have to admit I do sometimes look and work at Metafilter when I'm lifeguarding. So, you know, I was all like, you can't read when you're lifeguarding, but yes, children,

mathowie 45:24 1000s of children drown in horrible internet browsing accident. Well, this

Jessamyn 45:29 girl, like cut her foot open, and I actually had to like spring into action and keep all the blood out of the pool. And it was like,

mathowie 45:36 alright, that's what the red phone that didn't work.

Jessamyn 45:39 Yeah, and the red phone is broken, and nobody cares. Nobody cared. I think they still haven't fixed it. I mean, there's a certain pleasant laid back attitude to where I live and work. But sometimes that's a problem. The next time somebody has a heart attack, and that happens, I'm going to be the person like I told you, you know, whistleblower what else what else and asked me to filter Did you like,

mathowie 46:06 um, I had kind of a slow

Jessamyn 46:10 insert a lot of stuff and asked me to filter but I didn't. This was a whole mess of fate.

mathowie 46:16 This was an awesome comments card that I saw on delicious on a friend's delicious feed. Because it's like someone's asking about these things called Webkinz. Which seemed like these weird engineered like, reimagination of Beanie Babies, and I see signs for him everywhere. And kids apparently are into them.

Jessamyn 46:36 And Fiona doesn't have any.

mathowie 46:38 No not I'm you're like, oh, never parent ever. So never gonna get. But so this this comment here them linking it's like, explain to me the subculture of this Webkinz thing, and this thing is awesome. Just breaks down like, what do they mean? What like, how do they hook kids in every which way possible? How do you play the game with your stuffed animal toy? And why? And what do you get out of it? And what do you do online? And how does it like there's all these points and systems and charms and it's like, engineered to like turn into crack for children and essentially

Jessamyn 47:17 turn kids into web addicts at age. Yeah,

mathowie 47:19 it's like, there's like a cards you collect. And then there's these like stuffed animals. And there's a web component. And then when you do things on the web, you get credits towards fake web, things, and also more cards and more animals, and you have to buy more and more animals to get more stuff online. It's like, it's insane, like World of Warcraft really needs to come to three year olds when I was reading it when I was thinking about it. Like, oh, but it's nice to read this and like hear about like, here's that weird sub genre. And here's how it works. And here's why people are crazy about it.

Jessamyn 47:53 Well, and it's so great to like get a summary of that. That's not something you read in the frickin newspaper. ever read the newspaper trying to explain anything about the internet to you? Yeah. So like, listening to it from someone who's actually like been there or know somebody who could be like, ignore the bullshit. This is what this is one of my favorites. This person

mathowie 48:13 doesn't hate it or love it. They're just sort of like, this is how it works. You know, my whatever cousins do it and you know, here's how they do it. And here's why they do it. And here's what most kids do. It's great to like peel back the curtain on some weird thing.

Jessamyn 48:27 Right? Which reminds me speaking of World of Warcraft, I saw this the librarian question about Yeah, this was posted today how to stop young dudes from taking over library computers. Yeah, that

mathowie 48:38 was shocking.

Jessamyn 48:41 What do you mean, it's shocking, it happens all the freaking I know, it's

mathowie 48:43 shocking. They have this lockdown computer workstation where you like sign up for computer time. 10 year olds walk in with a USB key and they're all playing World of Warcraft? Like, that's shocking, like, how is that possible? It's such a, like, bad security and and then this is and this is the problem and I totally understand the one overworked it librarian has to cover all the branches and all their problems and can't get this get to this.

Jessamyn 49:10 Well, and the thing that makes me crazy as a librarian is because people kind of can't find viable technological solutions to this because like people in the thread are like, Oh, just blocked the USB ports and other people are like to fuck, like, library computers are already like messed up enough. You're saying I can't print my boarding pass bla, um, is that basically what winds up happening is then libraries start blocking things based on content, you know, and they make these stupid ass like raw, no more World of Warcraft rules, which makes us look like assholes because we can't solve the problem. You know? It's like all the people who are talking about like, how do I block MySpace on my home network for my 12 year old and people like just talk to your kid. Right? Like you're They're looking for a technological solution for a social problem. And it's the same thing in the library, like I totally feel this person's pain, because they're like, look, I'm really just trying to figure it out so that we can stop it from happening. But

mathowie 50:12 someone did find someone did find like up like a what he called a bug in a patch that made it easy to disable it. So I think I could be using that exploit.

Jessamyn 50:22 Thank God. I mean, because we've seen libraries, you know, in library land in the library news, who are basically just like blocking Facebook and blocking MySpace, because teenagers come to the library to use

mathowie 50:33 them. Teenagers in the library?

Jessamyn 50:37 Well, you know, teenagers like then they start playing a bunch of grab us and bugging people, but like, so what their teenage people like, ah, and so then they block Facebook and MySpace, my

mathowie 50:47 library problem solved. As my library normal, there seems like there's two banks of computers one only does like book look up in the library system. The other is sort of open range computers. And there's almost always five year old. No, there's always like 512 year olds playing, like first person shooters with each other, like almost on the library lookup terminals. No. And the other ones, like I don't mind, because I'm just like, using the library, look up computers, which are almost always like, open and dead.

Jessamyn 51:19 Yeah, that's pretty normal. I mean, what basically happens is libraries that have public access computers, like, have them open until nobody can use them anymore, because they're full of kids playing first person shooters, and then they go to a PC reservation system. And then, I mean, there's like an evolution of public access computing and libraries. And a lot of people use basically one of three software management tools to sort of handle this.

mathowie 51:44 Now, it's makes it easy to exploit too, because there's everyone's running the same software.

Jessamyn 51:49 Yeah, yeah, totally. And you know, a lot of them, I mean, where I am, are running exactly the same computers like their gates computers, and they haven't been patched and all this other stuff. So yeah, it's a little easy to mess around with. So at any rate, I really hope. Who is that user, Nicole Hildur, who's like a newish user who's not on my list of

mathowie 52:08 me phi library, library? group support for metal filter, so we can group people?

Jessamyn 52:15 Yeah. Why don't you start announcing features that you're not going to build this right out here in the open house travel coming?

mathowie 52:22 It's still 90% Done.

Jessamyn 52:25 Twitter tells me that PBS is on the road.

mathowie 52:29 Traveling.

Jessamyn 52:32 Yeah, I would love to write about my Dubai story for travel and maybe

mathowie 52:36 draft a love to this post. Yeah. So yeah, so this, this last one is other posts I liked was second last post I liked. It's like, how much weight can I gain from just drinking soda? Well, if I drink soda, nothing else would I gain weight? Still some sodas makes everyone gain weight, like regular sugared coke. And maybe it's like overthinking to play to beans a bit. And people are like, No, you know, this is how normal metabolic rates work. And if you drank less than that many calories, you'd actually lose weight. But then I like it because people go like two steps farther with it, which is show the actual organic chemistry reactions that take place inside soda inside your body. And then actually triglyceride Yeah, and then actually figure out how much sugars are left over after the combustion, you know, for energy. And it turns out, there's two in a case of soda there, everyone's talking about this. Like, if you just sat around, drank a case of soda, and did nothing else, you know, would you gain weight? The people were like, yes, you would, and you would gain two pounds, and it would be two pounds of sugar, which had no nutritional or it was after the sort of like metabolic processes, you'd have two pounds of unused sugar sitting in your gut. And like, that's essentially someone. It's I just loved like the math and the Oh, Kim. They got right, right, right. In the show. I was like, Well, you know, I like new the first part, like the basics of Yeah, how, you know, calories, calories in calories. I was like, That's how a sugar molecule breaks down. And that's the leftovers and that's how much they weigh. And like, that's how many calories and I was like, wow, kilogram of sugar pretty much in a case of coke, which turns into 1.44 kilograms of fat, which is a pound or two pound point. You're the soil scientist. I thought it was fascinating to just go the extra few steps to show like, this is how, you know, digestion works and stuff

Jessamyn 54:45 for some reason, like hypothetical food filter questions, like people really love them like this was one about the same time. Like I eat three breakfasts and then I don't eat for the rest of the day. Did you see that? Like big favor. But you know, there was a whole bunch of people who were like, well, you know, Baba Baba,

mathowie 55:06 they mean they just like breakfast foods like eggs and potatoes or something.

Jessamyn 55:11 No, they mean they get up and they eat like as much food as their stomach can hold and then a little more and then don't eat for the rest of them. Oh, yeah, probably not a good, but but then it's also like, I also smoke about a gram of weed. And people were like, oh my god, like it was all like, deleting the lay off the weed bro. Yeah, jokes. Yeah. And answers that totally, totally didn't help anything. No,

mathowie 55:35 I mean, there's actual like good nutritional stuff about the one giant meal a day and when should you have it? And why shouldn't you have one giant meal the day that you should have lots of little meals?

Jessamyn 55:45 Right? That's like five or six teeny meals. Oh, the

mathowie 55:48 last thing I liked is just sort of a cool reference post was the wires over what next? And it's just sort of like, here's all the TV that doesn't suck. And here's all like, things are sort of like the wire like books. I

Jessamyn 56:00 really wish we could talk about the end of the wire at this point. But there's probably people that haven't seen the last Oh, yeah,

mathowie 56:06 we don't have to talk about we just say the wires over the series is over. Things happen. But I just totally want to complain. So yeah, I just read that gang leader for a day book. It was pretty awesome. Gang leader for it. It's one of the popular things there. The Freakonomics guys talked about one of their crazy students had this awesome dataset of drug dealer. But I remember that this is a guy who went into the projects and was pals with the drug dealers that got the data. He wrote a whole book on like 10 years of how he went from like, a goofy grad student, you know, with no fear to to being like pals. And in the middle of the book, he runs the sort of gang for a day because he thinks it's not that hard, and then gets in an argument with one of the leaders and leaders like you run it. So he runs it sort of for a day.

Jessamyn 57:00 You know, I was principal for a day in fifth grade once

mathowie 57:03 sweet ice cream in the streets. I didn't get

Jessamyn 57:07 to do anything. You realize it like one day of being in charge of anything is good for nothing. Yeah, nothing at all. Yeah. Oh, I'm trying to figure out.

mathowie 57:18 I definitely thought of the wire when I was reading the book about how things work.

Jessamyn 57:25 I was looking for that post. Oh, fun wall house bounce. This was another one that I liked, just because it's a whole bunch of people with sort of creative suggestions. Like, let me see. Yeah, so I broke a whole bunch of bones and I had to lay on my back for a month. Give me things to do besides watching the wire. Well, I mean, I recommended the wire. But you know, you can only sort of watch so much television.

mathowie 57:48 Oh, well, like TED Talks.

Jessamyn 57:51 Don't you think that would kind of be neat. I mean, if you're inclined that direction. Yeah.

mathowie 57:54 Ted Talk sound good. Podcast. Recommendations are good. Add a filter.

Jessamyn 58:01 Yeah, get really good at meta filter.

mathowie 58:04 Scrabble Licious.

Jessamyn 58:06 Scrabble is pretty good. I've started playing Scrabble with my mom all the time.

mathowie 58:09 It's a story core deck is that

Jessamyn 58:12 story course like an America thing where people go like record their own stories and they store them online. Somewhere, it's kind of a way to do oral history, some of the groundwork being laid with you for you, and then

mathowie 58:25 so they get a cool sight out of it. But then also a bunch of students get to run around with tape recorders. Recording

Jessamyn 58:32 and the whole idea of like, yeah, oral tradition kind of stuff that just goes away when like your old people pass out of your community is I think it's worth paying attention to it. They came through Vermont and it was really the like a lot of people got to like tell their sort of non traditional stories and it wasn't just NPR is versus traditional story. You know what I mean? Yeah, and so and so on. So are high powered lesbians that raised their twin daughters in Brooklyn and you're like holy fuck, like leave Brooklyn but so yeah, it's a whole bunch of different

mathowie 59:04 stages like where's the Ira Glass editor to tell me which ones I should care about

Jessamyn 59:12 I feel like I met somebody at South by Southwest who new Ira Glass said he was really short that's the big thing when you go to South by Southwest you think all of your like everyone you media idols are all really tall. I mean, I'm sure well, they are they're like really tall. Like I met Ryan Ganske.

mathowie 59:30 Actually, but what is what is this website?

Jessamyn 59:34 six foot six. I was looking at this, you know, meta filter username,

mathowie 59:38 meta filter, last minute filter launched his whole life of web blogs. You never even heard of a web blog till I linked to him. Are you serious? Yeah, it's like it's like in the first month or two of Metafilter I know first six months I linked to him destroying his car and like he made pictures on like a personal website and looked hilarious like very Jackass II like they saw or drove the shit out of a car and like, some old you know, 80s car. And then he's like what? And he figured out like these people are linking to me what the hell is this? And then

Jessamyn 1:00:11 did you know him before? No, no sighs website Oh,

mathowie 1:00:14 he was still in college, just some random kid in Phoenix or something. Yeah. And I was just like, This is hilarious. This dude destroys a car. And yeah. And then, like a year or two later, he had a blog and he sent me an email after years going, Hey, by the way, thanks for linking to me way back when I was like, the first time I ever heard of a weblog and it sort of blew up my whole universe because I started reading them all and started doing it and now I have a computer job and go to South by Southwest and actually build them and yeah,

Jessamyn 1:00:47 yeah, I had dinner with him and like, you know, whatever. 45 other web blog people at South by Southwest It was cool. He's one of those like old school web blockers I'd actually never met.

mathowie 1:00:57 Oh, yeah, he's great. You knew Alex thank you and everybody probably Yeah, yeah. There it is the ruthless destruction of in 1981 Dodge Omni

Jessamyn 1:01:07 oh five

mathowie 1:01:10 he was already had six foot six.com and know what to do with it yeah, I was just basically he was doing Jackass stuff before Jackass

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