Podcast 22 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 22: Librarians, librarians, everywhere (2008-02-01).

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mathowie 0:07 Jessamyn Welcome to the Metafilter podcast. Welcome to Episode 22 of the meta filter podcast. The show features recaps from around meta filter for the last two weeks featuring me and Jessamyn.

Unknown Speaker 0:28 Lady bad luck fell down from above with a tongue on the pole saw the one that you love, and you'll never let go. Whoa, is it to be so lucky? No. I don't need you to fill me. No, I don't need you to fill.

mathowie 0:48 I'm trying to find a cool job. It's not AmeriCorps thing. And

Jessamyn 0:51 I saw two cool jobs. Oh, cool. One corpse in the library is looking for a babysitter.

mathowie 0:58 I saw someone was looking for a babysitter. I didn't look it up.

Jessamyn 1:02 But that's kind of adorable. You know, it's like, I need somebody to come by on Monday while I work at home. Oh, my kids like my kids like each other.

mathowie 1:11 I think this is the coolest big ticket job is the being the national online editor for PRI Public Radio International. Like,

Jessamyn 1:21 oh, I said that. I saw that. Does that have anything to do with the fact that sound of young America guy is on? Oh, all right.

mathowie 1:27 I don't know. Maybe the person fell over here from there? I don't think so. Well, we published the podcast today. He didn't even mention it for a few days. I think it's true person that's been around. And then of course, I remember. So.

Jessamyn 1:42 I like this job too. Because I mean, there's metal filter jobs is so great, because there's a lot of like library jobs. Yeah, it's so sad. Have you noticed, like programming jobs and library jobs? Well, this is like Donna girls job at K State libraries, which is in Kansas State. And so if you can, if you can see yourself living in Kansas, and I have to admit Kansas is like probably my favorite Midwestern State at this point. I'm like wincing because I don't know if Kansas is technically in the Midwest. But like I've been out there and like they do. They're doing all this like interesting online sort of bloggie social stuff. And Donna girl is great. And I went to A to person to person meet up with her.

mathowie 2:26 In Manhattan, Kansas, which is the little apple.

Jessamyn 2:29 I've been there. I've been there. Yeah. So and but they're doing like gaming and libraries and like, a whole bunch of interesting online techie stuff. And it's like 75% Special Projects. I went for it because it says library resident and I thought maybe you'd get to live like an apartment in the basement. But no, that's that's not quite it. But I was

mathowie 2:48 special projects means you get to screw around, basically. Well, it means

Jessamyn 2:52 you get to kind of run around. And whenever anybody asks you to do something you don't want to do you say you're very busy working for somebody else.

mathowie 2:59 But it's kind of like a cool floater position that you're not you do a little bit of day to day library stuff, but not much.

Jessamyn 3:06 Yeah, and there's a bunch of awesome people in Manhattan, Kansas. So you know, anybody who's really looking for like, a good a good library job, I think that's probably as good as as good as academic library jobs are gonna get for you.

mathowie 3:18 Yeah, sounds fun, like, processes fun.

Jessamyn 3:22 Totally, totally.

mathowie 3:23 So what is the current state of games and libraries at the moment,

Jessamyn 3:28 I'm probably not the person to ask. But basically, there's been a whole sort of resurgence based on the fact that you know, more and more sort of young people are gaming and it's becoming, you know, sort of the structure through which they understand their world as well as teaching a bunch of useful skills and whatever. I mean, it's a different set of skills than say playing baseball, but in some ways, it's a lot the same and so a lot of libraries have started gaming programs both to sort of bring in teens and younger people but also to sort of teach those kinds of cognitive online skills that you know are good for kids to have and they're not learning in school because school like views the computer is like this is a resource machine you know, you type a resume and you get on the internet to look things up but you don't really learn to kind of process elements in online space I guess for lack of a better word and and that's where a lot of like you know, that's how you understand the world in a in a super techy universe like we have in Big City USA. So it's it's a popular topic and for librarians it rocks because well games are fun, you know? Yeah, I just wanted a

mathowie 4:36 while for work once in a while I'd stumble upon I mean, I've seen it on like young librarian you know, fresh at school bloggers and stuff are all sure but once in a while I'll just see like scare stories about oh my god so run X box into our library dammit, you know, written by sometimes the librarians themselves are usually parents freaking out well,

Jessamyn 4:57 and in some respects, like You're always gonna have librarians who hate their jobs and hate what they're doing. But like the person who really talked to is, uh oh, I don't know how to pronounce his name old tortious alter? Yeah. Who works at Ann Arbor District Library, and they have a really good gaming program. And he talks about it when it comes up on Metafilter. Yeah. But like, you know, Jenny Levine, who's a big librarian works for the American Library Association. And so if you go to like a big library conference, they've got a booth with where you can go play guitar hero like that's, well, that's kind of cool, right? People totally come to your booth. I mean, I'm the one who's totally out of it not having, you know, I have no games here. So I'm falling behind the times. Personally, I have to like travel half an hour to play DDR, with my friends. So that's what I know about gaming and libraries. That's what I know about jobs.

mathowie 5:54 Cool. Let's see. Do we have any best of meta talk, I've marked anything as a favorite. It's been kind of

Jessamyn 6:04 meta talk has been really, really hoppin. Lately, not that people are necessarily grouchy, but just people are talking about a lot of stuff. It's been really busy. And I felt a little bad that there was actually that one meta talk thread that none of the mods responded to, like, it just hit the sweet spot when like, none of us saw it. Well, what was like about it was the pony request about like, it would really be nice if the original poster could be identified and asked me so that when they follow up, people can kind of see that.

mathowie 6:36 Oh, yeah, that features the best mock up ever, right?

Jessamyn 6:40 Yes. And there was the most amazing, totally acoustic mock up, which made everybody fall in love with. What was it user numinous? Yeah, I believe, which was probably the most favorited thing that I've ever seen

mathowie 6:52 weird that we didn't even see the original quest. Well, none of us did. Like, I don't know, midnight on Friday, and like, we'd already gone through everything.

Jessamyn 7:02 No, no, it was like on the 15th. It made no sense. It was like a Tuesday afternoon.

mathowie 7:07 Weird. Yeah, I don't know. I think I was just like that again. Yeah, I'll get to it later. And I just didn't.

Jessamyn 7:12 Yeah, and but I think one of the great things about that awesome mock up is it makes it like seem like a doable thing. Instead of like, oh, we'll have like, left slanty background on the best answer and right slanty background like I just couldn't see it in my head of how it would work. And I thought numinous his example was awesome.

mathowie 7:31 And the screenshot from I knew, like every there's so many extensions that do this already. But yeah, the extension that just doesn't settle. I want settle. I don't want it to be crazy. And over the top.

Jessamyn 7:44 Yeah, no, I think that's true. But if you can do it, it's totally helpful. Because then you know, the original poster can be like, Hey, I tried that. And it didn't work. Yeah, give me some more. Give me some more advice. And, you know, you can't rely on people to have grease monkey to see that. Yeah. My

mathowie 8:00 I've been looking at how other sites do this. They have no qualms about reordering stuff completely. You know, like, here are the three best answers at the top. And then here's the rest of the threatened touched and sometimes the original poster will be highlighted big time on some of them. And it's, it's great for going back to something as a year old and scanning for information that's vital. It's great. But for conversational stuff, it breaks it all to hell,

Jessamyn 8:28 places that use avatars, too. I think that kind of stuff is a little easier. I'm not recommending this. The last thing I want is an avatar. But I think for places that use it, it's a little bit more obvious, you know, because you see the little picture and you're like, oh, it's

mathowie 8:42 the little purple horse. Yeah. Question. little purple horse

Jessamyn 8:47 with the bunny. Yeah. The only other thing for meta talk was that we had a completely awesome San Francisco birdwatch beer drink meetup. And it was totally fun. Thanks to everybody who started it like one and went to like, no, eight was really long. It was super

mathowie 9:07 fun. The bird wants to like for something and then yeah, we

Jessamyn 9:11 went out to Chrissy Park, which is like, oh, yeah, it was freaking beautiful. And there was like eight of us. 10 of us. There's some really good pictures. I'll have to find

mathowie 9:19 some on Flickr for some of them. Yeah, there's like deserts there. It's kind of like a

Jessamyn 9:24 people play spot. No, no, there's totally, there's totally birds there. Okay. And yeah, Ursa I think,

mathowie 9:33 be in like one giant green soccer field, like, the size you could lay into 747 On last time was like, well,

Jessamyn 9:41 that's the thing. It used to be an air Park, right. Oh, now? Yeah, I mean, it used to be an airfield for I don't know,

mathowie 9:47 I just fans of grass I've ever seen uninterrupted in San Francisco. It felt like first time I was there.

Jessamyn 9:54 Yeah, that's totally true. But there was like what I'm looking at the picture like L Fitzgerald, slow Berg, you know low I was there and quiet gallon mudpuppy and okie blue and ambrosia Boyer and contraption and Jasper for will want and me and ginger beer and Eartha and Claudia center and tangerine and I think that's it. It was a ton of freaking people and everybody had like binoculars and we looked at birds and there's like ribs or somewhere where they like there's there's like water yeah, there's like little water features or I don't know what you call it. So that's that's the the adorable picture of everybody.

mathowie 10:50 Guess we should mention new features from Metis talk that were mentioned there. Recently, activity now has a tab for your favorited posts across all sites. So if you don't leave a comment in something if you just see an interesting post that you want to come back to

Jessamyn 11:06 later tracks you can favorite it and follow it or in recent activity. Yeah, mark it as a favorite.

mathowie 11:10 And now it's in recent activity has a new tab called my favorites. I should change that to my favorite posts as the tab name but you can remove after you know week if you're not into it, but it's great for I just been tracking lots of stuff for the podcast, but works out awesome. Cool. Keeping up with 10 Things that you swear you're gonna get to Sunday. It's kind of

Jessamyn 11:34 Yeah, so weird, regular all recent activities, just to say, Yeah,

mathowie 11:37 recent activities turning into like this weird monster RSS reader for just this site. But it's

Jessamyn 11:44 it's kind of awesome, though. It's kind of awesome.

mathowie 11:47 It's a good tool. Then we did the favorites are the favorites. Now your own personal favorites are highly searchable,

Jessamyn 11:55 searchable. You can go through tab you can search favorites by sub site, right.

mathowie 12:00 I don't think so. I think it shows all I think the search is pretty general right now. But you can sort by making sure you know, recent favorites by

Jessamyn 12:10 sorted by date, by sort by date or sort by relevance.

mathowie 12:14 Oh, yeah. In search results. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. So there's sorting of just your favorites. So you can just say, look at only my AskMe edit filter favorites, just my favorite songs. We should

Jessamyn 12:25 write you can search all your favorites for the word music or something like that.

mathowie 12:29 Oh, cool. It sticks when you jump from comments to posts.

Jessamyn 12:33 I know. Isn't that nice? It's really nice. It's really well designed.

mathowie 12:37 I didn't even notice that. Yeah, and the search is cool, because it highlights the word in your search results, and

Jessamyn 12:42 it'll find the results, even if it'll search in the HTML. Yeah, so kinda cool. Yeah, that's pretty useful. All right, dig into the site. Yes. I had a whole bunch of stuff. I like this time around. So

mathowie 12:55 I have a billion things. Let me we did it on January 18 16th. or so. Yeah, go? I will.

Jessamyn 13:06 Okay, well, you know, some of them were like little and stupid. And some of them were awesome and big. And some of them like a lot of the ones that I really liked this time. We're not like big mob scene favorites. So for example, this one was just one of those great like, somebody loses a camera, somebody finds a camera and tries to track down the camera people. Oh, yeah, story. Like I found a camera in a cab and I went nuts using clues from 350 photographs to try and figure out who owned the camera. It's Eric B's post. Yeah. And like it had like 36 comments and eight favorites. But it's amazing. Like it's just one of those great stories about you know, we saw them standing in front of this bar and other pictures were of Ireland. And so we asked and blah, blah, blah, and it's got a happy ending.

mathowie 13:56 We should have a perfect counter or, you know,

Jessamyn 14:01 these people lost something and never got it back.

mathowie 14:04 Perfect. Similar one to favorites. Me and somebody else like this photo. This thread on super duper insider background tour of Alcatraz led by a ranger like personal tour for a guy who's like a host on MacBreak weekly and writes for the Chicago Sun Times for tech. I

Jessamyn 14:24 was gonna say I thought that name sounded from Andy a

mathowie 14:26 knocko. He's really cool. And he's got 1000s of dollars of cameras. He's a good he's a great photographer. So there's this you know, Flickr. He just has a Flickr set of like, total, the underground dungeon in Alcatraz I've heard of never seen and just off there's, you know, like 100 photos from a back back alley tour of Alcatraz. That's totally awesome. I've never seen any of these parts of the place. I don't even bend Alcatraz. But I've seen 1000s of photos of it online before and thought I'd seen it all but

Jessamyn 14:59 yeah, I've only taken he'd like to Sausalito ferry around it, you know, so I've seen it, but I don't but like, you know, the, the history of the sort of American Indian occupation was pretty. Yeah, pretty interesting. Yeah,

mathowie 15:12 he's got lots of shots. Yeah, it lasted two years. That was something I, you know, learned about as an adult and Rican school never even mentioned. Right? Of course not. Yes, yes. Awesome. I lived there for two years. And there's lots of like graffiti from the Indian occupations.

Jessamyn 15:29 Great. Well, and I read when I was in San Francisco, there was some editorial that some people are saying that the police should be turned into like a Peace Center, you know, for global peace and harmony and the city council are thinking about it. And I'm not sure what the status of that is. So you know, it's in the hearts and minds of people in a whole bunch of different ways. Yeah, it's

mathowie 15:50 clear, if you look at the photo tour of it, that the thing is just rusting, falling apart. I mean, the ocean air is gonna kill it in, you know, 50 years. And right away. So you know, it's never going to be a maximum security prison again. Might as well do something cool with it, like, yeah, Peace Center or something.

Jessamyn 16:08 Alright. And then, let me see this other just happy. Like one favorite, just story that I really liked was basically this men's basketball coach decides to like, collect shoes for charity by coaching barefoot. Yeah, he was hoping to collect 40,000 pairs of shoes and collect 110,000

mathowie 16:28 was that during the course of like, an entire season, or just over a short time span? I read this. I mean, I saw the story. I didn't read it in depth. Let's see what is one of those happy, feel good stories.

Jessamyn 16:43 That was that was fresh parts filter, um, sports? Yeah, it makes me happy all the time. Because, you know, it's the people that like to talk about sports all the time, but they're better filter people and occasionally stuff that's like, more general interest percolates up to the website, even though whatever, there's seven comments, and one user marked it as a favorite. It's

mathowie 17:03 Yes, of course filter is awesome for find that sports filter, or like mostly smart guys. Mostly, mostly, mostly smart people talking about sports, instead of like the entire my entire half my TV dial is dominated by dumb guys talking about sports, and the radio and stuff. And it's like smart people talking about sports. Like it's nuanced. It's not just, you know. So it's cool.

Jessamyn 17:37 This was just the season. By the way, this for all cool for all the shoes. I get what

mathowie 17:42 I'm saying. First, yeah, I'm used to sports. I'm used to sports for dumb guys. That's all I'm used to like sports center sports for dumb guys. And this is like,

Jessamyn 17:51 one of the things about TV though, is you actually have to interview. I mean, a lot of the people on TV One of the things they do is they talk to athletes a lot. And there's not that many athletes who are like incredibly gifted athletically and incredibly gifted intellectually. I mean, there's some and they definitely stand out and everybody wants to talk to them. But a lot of times, you know, being like super astute and being like, what was going through your mind as Yeah, you know, well, I was really thinking about corporate hegemony and how it's really up to you in a number on the underclass, like, you're just gonna get this like, oh, well, we really decided we had to try hard and then we, you know, we got it together and really pushed and you know, I mean, what can you do like you're not rewarded for having a real deep cover analysis

mathowie 18:34 read online, you can pull up you know, three or four different sources, you know, highly technical information about you know, stats and stuff. It's cool. Yeah,

Jessamyn 18:43 I mean, it's cool from like a number swonk perspective.

mathowie 18:46 There was definitely I mean, when sports fields are started I had a huge fear it would just be like, right like that's all it'd be like guys would be posted and people they just banned people that did that. Let's just shut up just go. Patriots Stop dude. Like, Lucky Red Sox. Yeah, so they just banned those people and kept the smart ones around.

Jessamyn 19:08 Yeah, well, it's international too. So they talk about you know, whatever American football soccer I mean, they talked about

mathowie 19:16 that was remember those earliest feature class can we get rid of the word soccer and make it football and then change football to American football? Because the whole world except America doesn't call it soccer. Now,

Jessamyn 19:28 I know it's like Labor Day and May Day, right? Like May Day is Labor Day, the whole world around except in America, where we call it like commie Day and Labor Day is, you know, a holiday that other places don't really recognize. Yeah, I know. It's a little embarrassing. Oh, okay. Oh, sorry. While the other one was just like, you know, that ridiculous white and nerdy video that went out?

mathowie 19:54 Yeah, I didn't even see I didn't watch this. It's basically

Jessamyn 19:57 weird owl and like it You know, a puffy jacket, gesturing and then like Donny Osmond is behind him like freaking out doing these like totally hilarious freaky dances. Oh, I remember the kind of a green screen. Yeah, so it's different. I missed this like

mathowie 20:13 rehearsal and stuff. Yeah, it's the first take. Oh my god. Awesome. Wow. I wonder how drunk he is his own in that.

Jessamyn 20:24 He's well that's the thing. He totally he totally. Yeah, Donny Osmond totally owned it. And I'm always like, happy when? Yeah. People who kind of had their day in the sun can then go like, do something interesting. You know, I have mixed feelings about William Shatner, you know, like Donny Osmond. Yes. But

mathowie 20:45 don't take themselves seriously down the liner. I have a lot of respect for even Shatner, who's like kind of getting sticky with is making fun of himself.

Jessamyn 20:53 But still, yeah, when he first started as like a spokesman for Priceline, where I really saw him doing a bunch of other stuff. Yeah, it was just it was just hilarious. And like, I grew up listening to like weird, Allen. Dr. Demento. Yeah, like, the fact that he's still doing stuff that's taking off, you know, making parodies of current ridiculous music. Yeah, just makes me laugh.

mathowie 21:16 I had a cool a triad of cool things that happened on metal filter.

Jessamyn 21:21 Three comments. Awesome. Awesome comments, three comments

mathowie 21:25 from the subjects of a post, like, Oh, really? Three in one week, which is like three in the last four days. Five days? Yeah, it was like, wow, I saw one I was like, ah, two of them are awesome. One of them's so so but it's just great. This used to be like something that happened once every six months that someone notices the referrer logs or something. And then, you know, signs up and says Hey, glad people like it. Their most popular one is Jill saw Sobule Sobule. I always thought soluble, like chemistry. Jill Sobule, raising money to do an album and sort of been around a lot of blogs. So she signed up meta filter, just say thanks to everyone. And Eric bopped it. Uh, yeah, I was very cool. And then the middle one is there's this awesome thread about

Jessamyn 22:21 Oh, my God, because Oh, sorry.

mathowie 22:24 The middle guy is like a newspaper photographer taking photos of like farms, and I think Colorado or something, or Chicago, and then maybe it's Illinois. It takes the farms like eight years ago, lots of them life on the farm. And that turns into a subdivision of track homes, and he takes photos to the sheriff somebody. And then the present seems as diptychs, like you know, here's a guy milking a cow behind a fence on the left side of the page. And then the right side is like, kid in a bouncy house at a kid's birthday party behind the fence of that it's like the photos are awesome, because they're just awesome juxtaposition of that exact piece of ground within 10 years of each other is like completely different.

Jessamyn 23:08 Oh, my God, and the photographs are just really, really good.

mathowie 23:11 Yeah, it was like a professional newspaper, photo journalist, doing this as a personal project for like 10 years, like he had just been doing it even talks about

Jessamyn 23:21 Oh, my God, the one with the farmer. And then the little kids in the house with the birthday cake with a little plastic barn on it.

mathowie 23:28 Oh my god, funny and cute. There's a lot of humor in how he chose to display them. But it's cool. Yeah. People like mock the title of it. He was like, Yeah, editors at the magazine came up with it. I didn't have any choice.

Jessamyn 23:45 That was cool. Oh, yeah, the title sucks. I named it echoes of the past, not another country.

mathowie 23:51 And then the last, the subject of a post was, there's something about steroids in baseball, there's like a pro. There's a I mean, even though this has been among my friends, there's two or three friends that are definitely like down on the all drugs and baseball are bad. And when you look at the limits of that, it is kind of interesting that all the top hitters have had like Lasik eye surgery, and nobody says anything about that. That's not a drug, though. I know. But it is body modification to give you better than 2020 vision, like they're purposely going out and getting LASIK to get like 2015 vision and stuff so that they're hitting averages go up like 20% The next year. That's no idea you could do that. So it's yeah, it's kinda like, Whoa, yeah, I guess. Drug? No, it's not, but it is definitely a body modification to improve your sports ability.

Jessamyn 24:44 Just like all those tattoos Mike Tyson has. Yeah.

mathowie 24:49 But yeah, so the author of some site looks kind of like a crazy person wrote it because it's like so much text. It looks kind of like it's 1995 and the design He showed up to rebut a bunch of stuff.

Jessamyn 25:04 I like the fact that the Jill Sobel thing or they say that she's becoming the next Jewish Dear Abby, and everybody was like, Dear Abby was Jewish. So So was Ann Landers. Like, what the hell dude? Oh, and then my last just one that I totally enjoyed just because it's stupid. And I'm 11 years old. Is the new epic fail.

mathowie 25:29 Oh, yeah.

Jessamyn 25:31 I can't help it.

mathowie 25:32 A blog is funny. I don't like seeing comments or everything is like on the car crash one someone wrote epic fail, like summing up like a kind of dude,

Jessamyn 25:42 that car crash post should never have survived. It was horrible. What? Oh, it was interesting.

mathowie 25:47 I thought it was very interesting. Well, I

Jessamyn 25:49 thought it was interesting, too. But there was I mean, there was no way that thread was gonna go any better than it went, which was terrible.

mathowie 25:56 I thought people would grow up. I really do believe people can be good at heart. Well, I'd be that. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, somebody had to be jerky like somebody had to get off their shift and making $10 An hour and read about some guy crashing $100,000 car at 200 miles an hour and killing his friends and Thank fuck him.

Jessamyn 26:17 I hate him. Wash dishes all

mathowie 26:19 fucking night. Fuck him is rich ass and fuck him. I'm glad he's dead. I knew someone. I didn't think it would be like 10% of paralysis after classism thing. But oh, it's fascinating that the guy had this online life of talking about trying to be safe, like by pushing a car to its limits, but like, ridiculously so.

Jessamyn 26:42 Right? Well, it's a kid. I mean, that's the whole point. Yeah. And I

mathowie 26:45 think it came. I think it came around. And it's good when everyone recalls their batshit insane things they did at 70 and 18. In a car, especially men are like bored, guys. Just man.

Jessamyn 26:57 Well, especially in the country. I mean, that kind of stuff happens around here all the time. Yeah. Because there's nothing else to do but run your car up and down the road, you know,

mathowie 27:05 but the whole, like, the close shaves, like, you know, every guy I know, growing up had some close shave story that was just, yeah, things are different. For one second, everyone would have been dead. Right? Like, I have so many stupid stories like that. I can't believe I'm alive. And so some people I mean, it's just like the Star Wars fat kid. Like some people just took it as an opportunity to laugh at a fat kid like being stupid and then everyone else that are reflected on their life of being a fat kid being weird,

Jessamyn 27:35 right? They were like that was me. Like we gotta

mathowie 27:39 roll it back and like admit that like that could have been us, all of us. Even though it's a spoiled rich kid. I didn't even know there was a such thing as having a jet runway that you could drive your plane to your house like I had no idea that existed in anywhere in the world.

Jessamyn 27:57 Dubai Can you about

mathowie 27:59 what so this happened Lear jet or something? Yeah, this crap this crash happened on like an 8000 foot runway like you know over a mile so you can land a pretty big plane on it is in the middle. At the kids house. It was in the middle of a gated community in South Florida. And that was the John Travolta jokes that for for no reason. The

Jessamyn 28:21 newsroom is totally wondering.

mathowie 28:23 Oh yeah, John Travolta lives here like it made no sense but they mentioned it offhandedly that this is a really really high end community. And a John Travolta lands his own plane and then takes it to his garage and then gets walks into his house. And I was like, maybe in Dubai? Like how why? No, because that Yeah.

Jessamyn 28:44 Right. How would you know unless somebody crashes a car there? Nobody ever goes inside? Yeah. That's why you live in a gated community. So dorks I'm gonna filter Don't make fun of you.

mathowie 28:54 My favorite. My favorite stupid new blog for laughing at is white wines. The Why do you think God i That is funny. And people fly because they don't have a sense of humor about themselves or something. But one of the white wines of a friend whose parents own a jet was that it is so hard after you land in a strange airport to get a car into town like ah not like taxi service in small town. So you're like stuck at the airport, which is always on the outskirts of a town. Right? Yeah, no, we remember weather weather wise was that they had to leave an old suburban at their like vacation house airport, like all the time just so they have a car to get into town to their house.

Jessamyn 29:37 It's difficult. It's difficult,

mathowie 29:38 which is a hilarious white wine that should be on the site, but also reminds me that oh my god having a jet runway outside your house, like someone actually went and built a community for those people.

Jessamyn 29:48 Sure. Well, you'd want to be with other people so that when you complain, they'll make fun of you. It's horrible. Well, that actually segues interestingly into the very, very Very popular asked Metafilter. What do I do about my rich friends? Oh, did you see that

mathowie 30:06 I saw that I didn't read, followed up on it in a few days.

Jessamyn 30:11 It's basically you know, it's got 29 favorites or whatever. But I've ton of comments and it's somebody who's like, you know, I went to college and I have these friends and they're kind of wealthy. But like after we graduated, it became clear that like, they're really wealthy, like, their parents are buying them houses and cars, and I've got to have a job and they totally feel connected. I don't really like where I am. And

mathowie 30:34 a lot of resentment was also the connections thing, which is like we all went to college together and they're just like traipse

Jessamyn 30:40 connections to get jobs. Yeah, I'm having a hard time.

mathowie 30:43 Yeah, they seem to not work and make 10 times more than I do. And I seem to be working hard, even with my connections and seem to be making less.

Jessamyn 30:51 Yeah. So I mean, the question was sort of one thing, but like, lots of people had different, different viewpoints. I mean, it's meta filter, right? So some people are like, Yeah, fuck those guys. And other people are like, Dude, I am your rich friend. Like, let me tell you how it looks from my perspective. And I don't know, I just like listening to people talk about sort of class situations, because I feel like

mathowie 31:12 there's a good thread that few days before that was how did you get rich and get rich there is like, relative, it's just like, at one point your life, you made less than $1,000 a month and you were fine. And then you're an adult now and you probably make over $5,000 a month. Like how did that happen? Which is great, because just a bunch of stories of people met a filter who like you know, didn't have a lot growing up, or they grew up white trash, or they just like surf,

Jessamyn 31:40 or I bought Google at 110 and sold 50. Now, almost all of them are,

mathowie 31:46 oh my God. All the stories are like, I got out of my shithole jerk Waterberg, and like, I went to college. And you know, no one in my family ever went to college. And then I worked my ass off. And now I'm doing pretty good. But there's a lot of resentment that ties into the last one, which is like, you know, it's almost you know, saying I make six figures. I don't feel any happier than when I was in grad school scraping along because I think I have too many rich friends. You know, too much shit.

Jessamyn 32:15 And they complain about their planes, your first wife and your first house. So

mathowie 32:19 my favorite one? Yeah, keep your first wife and your first house.

Jessamyn 32:22 live below your means invest wisely and safely.

mathowie 32:25 Yeah, that I mean, there's so many long stories. And that was the best short, jokey summation,

Jessamyn 32:31 which is probably actually also true. Oh, yeah. This leads into my other another. All my favorites seem to be about money this time. But the one talking about like, Steve Gutenberg, if Steve Gutenberg never worked again, how much money would he earn yearly? It's it's a question about residuals. It's, like really a question about Steve Gutenberg.

mathowie 32:51 Economics of, you know, the acting profession and stuff. That's how points

Jessamyn 32:56 work and whether Steve Gutenberg would have been. Yeah,

mathowie 33:01 yeah. Cuz, you know, Jerry Seinfeld is weird in that he skewed in the, like, seemingly wrong direction on that. You know, Jerry Seinfeld makes $60 million a year in residuals, because I think he was the producer, because he got points on the TV show. Yeah, he was the producer only as a writer, and it was named after him. And he had a whole bunch of ownership. And it's just, you know, just playing at 10:30pm. On Channel 13, you know, makes him a boatload. I can't He's He's beyond I mean, there's no way he could possibly spend the money he's making this time in his life.

Jessamyn 33:32 Right. So what wonderful philanthropic things he's doing with it. I'm sorry, Matt. I didn't mean to make you choke, nothing. He isn't dizzy. That's annoying.

mathowie 33:43 But this is cool. So what we'll come up with?

Jessamyn 33:47 Well, I mean, people don't know. I mean, there was there was a couple things that sort of talk about how sag works. That basically, there's a Google answer. It's interesting how some of the answers to these turn up in Google answers. About like, would you say,

mathowie 34:04 is it the new resuscitated Google answers?

Jessamyn 34:09 Or do you know, say, you know, I haven't heard anything about that,

mathowie 34:13 oh, I met then they bring Google answers back, like back?

Jessamyn 34:17 No, they call it something else. And I haven't really heard about it. But basically, somebody did. I mean, this was like three or four years ago, somebody did a thing that talks about the Screen Actors Guild and all the sort of steps they took to figure out who got what, for residuals and I guess somebody had asked a totally different question about Dave Coulier, from Full House, and an LA Times article about this character actor talking about making a ton of money and residuals from his TV work. But like they talked about how stuff switched in the 80s. It's just really interesting, because I don't know how any of that stuff works. I know that like, you know, my uncle is a movie actor and he talks about that kind of stuff. I believe that when he was in et, which turned out to be huge, like he worked out some sort of deal where there was some tiny fraction of whatever that movie made that he made from it. I may be like talking about my butt here, but I'm pretty sure that's how that worked. And that that was like an incredibly savvy decision instead of getting more money at the time. I mean, it's always tough, right? Because if your movie doesn't take off, then you wind up with nothing. Yes. But if it does take off if you even have like a tiny fraction of a tiny percent, you know, the movie gets released 20 or 30 years later, and all of a sudden, you've got like a check.

mathowie 35:35 Yeah, yeah. I'm curious. Yeah, I've always I'm always curious, especially with like reality TV taking over TV. People don't get paid very much anymore. Like you can be on TV and not make much of anything anymore.

Jessamyn 35:49 Well, the thing about reality TV to me that I find so disturbing is you don't really get to own your story either. Like theoretically, they're getting you on TV because of the way you look or the way you act or some situation. And then they pay very little and then they can like, decide what you are and are not allowed to basically talk about about this episode for the rest of your life. Yeah, totally crazy. Yeah,

mathowie 36:14 they kind of own your story. And you just did it for like, I know, a little bit of money and wiki goes, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I was dying to ask like Adam Savage. Point, Blake. Like, what do you make like 10 grand an episode five grand an episode. I think it's some ridiculously low, like, you know, five grand a week kind of thing for considering how much work it is.

Jessamyn 36:34 Really, I can't believe that's true. I've heard probably get like an unlimited budget to like, buy all sorts of cool explosives

mathowie 36:42 to be approved by the producer. I mean, they they run it so lean. Remember, like a friend was on the real world. I think you made $1,000 a week, which when you're like 20 is like, Oh my

Jessamyn 36:52 God, but you get to live for free in an apartment for however long Yeah, holy, whatever,

mathowie 36:57 six weeks or something. But like, as an adult? I'm like, Yeah, what a fucking rip off. They made Shitloads off that.

Jessamyn 37:04 I mean, that was like the ads on it and made you look like a dork and

mathowie 37:07 they sold DVDs of it. And you never make a penny off. I mean, you get the $1,000. And that's it. Like each week you're on it. And that's it?

Jessamyn 37:15 Well, I think a lot of people hit that kind of eye opening phase, when all the economics of CDs started coming out when people realize they could just burn CDs and burn their friend CDs. Yeah. And and then people started freaking out about it. And they're like, Look, do the artists makes like two bucks? off my $15 CD? Yeah. So, you know, whereas you think like Van Halen, or Metallica? Like you pay 15 bucks for a CD, like, you feel like they get a lot of that money. And they don't, it's just volume.

mathowie 37:47 Yeah, and the worst part is CDs came out in 85. They're like, Oh, we're sorry. They're like 17 to $20 each. But you know, CDs cost so much physically now the price will come down, we swear and like and never I never did like, I mean, it works. And then it never went down. Even when it was a penny for a desk or a fraction.

Jessamyn 38:08 Well, right and you buy your own desk at home and you realize it's not that expensive. The technology is not complicated. And it's just in big embarrassment all over all.

mathowie 38:15 Yeah, they really screwed the pooch for the last 20 years.

Jessamyn 38:19 Right. So television, same thing talent exploited?

mathowie 38:23 i Yeah, it would be cool. Someone's got to just come out and say it someday, I think someone who's just, you know, really secure in their whatever, and never wants to work again, should just say whatever I make 25 grand a month. And you know, I live like a retired person and I don't spend any money and it's okay.

Jessamyn 38:42 Right, right, right.

mathowie 38:44 Obviously, other good AskMe edit filter post. I love the food triad thing. It's sort of

Jessamyn 38:51 like oh, yeah, did they ever figure out the answer to that? What was there's three foods that no two of them taste good together? Or what was it

mathowie 38:59 all two of them always tastes good together. I think it started out as one of the two combinations is disgusting. So if I have food a like yogurt, I can add fruit to it. Or I can add something savory to it, you know, curry, and it's not that bad. But if I add curry and three yogurt, what I'm just trying to remember is like you get up you hit a food that's versatile. And then you get like a sweet and savory and you can combine them and those are standard meals. But if you combine the sweet and savory directly, it's disgusting. So there's some examples something with like salt and

Jessamyn 39:34 butter, chocolate and mint. And peanut butter and mint are shitty together. But the other to the other. Yeah, yeah. When peanut butter and chocolate are awesome together. Chocolate and mint are awesome together. There's

mathowie 39:45 another way where people do it where it's like a plus b is fine. B plus C is fine. A plus C even as fine. A plus B plus C is disgusting. That happens a lot. That was I think a lot easier but uh, yeah, nobody really I'll do it but I think the peanut butter chocolate mint one's pretty good.

Jessamyn 40:03 Well, it's good. It's sort of explaining it. I thought it was just Yeah. Because I didn't even really understand the question.

mathowie 40:11 What if you follow the link to the incompatible food triad?

Jessamyn 40:17 Which wacky bread and one being posted within like 30 seconds of each other?

mathowie 40:21 And it's like, you know, it's this it's paid yes,

Jessamyn 40:24 that durian or I just ate one of those

mathowie 40:29 that a bird or something or fish they've been trying to like that

Jessamyn 40:32 is on the the little things with the spikes and I'm I ate one of those when I was in Dubai.

mathowie 40:36 The funny thing is that there, this is like a page from 2004. It's like the guys month by month trying to figure it out in 2003. And four, you know, it's 2008. And I wonder what he ever came up with.

Jessamyn 40:48 But a lot of these numbers, sugar, yogurt, this is fascinating. Yeah, most

mathowie 40:53 of us a plus b plus c is gross, but all the combinations are okay.

Jessamyn 40:57 Are delightful. Yeah, lemon cocoa. What was the other one? Oh, whatever.

mathowie 41:01 Yeah, but lemon cocoa and curry is disgusting. Yeah, I liked the one where the two combo I think it's harder doing the two combos. Were like the peanut butter chocolate mint. Once an awesome example.

Jessamyn 41:16 Peanut butter and bacon. I think it depends on taste too. But I guess that's the whole point. Right? Like, somebody's guaranteed to hate one of them even if most of the time

mathowie 41:29 anything else good?

Jessamyn 41:31 Client Klaxons pistol laser question. I noticed now because I've been looking at your favorites. Now. I know what you favorite all the time.

mathowie 41:39 That was funny.

Jessamyn 41:41 It turned into a total lols fest

mathowie 41:45 Board Office humor man I used to just like revel in games to make up for myself because I was so bored at work every day. So yeah, race the flush is a big game. For dudes Yeah. For dudes like race to flush try to time it perfectly. So you end right when the flush end. It's almost impossible. Piss laser.

Jessamyn 42:07 Clean clothes, which was which was clang clang C and trying to carve out a year was

mathowie 42:11 the most efficient way to piss a urinal cake in half in the shortest time possible. I will you know, drink something strange if it helps, even though Yeah.

Jessamyn 42:22 These are the games we play. I don't know if he got any really good answers.

mathowie 42:26 He did have day one. Like he was gonna keep

Jessamyn 42:29 Oh, he took a like a horrible phone cam picture of the urinal cake. But you know, there's too many variables, I think, yeah,

mathowie 42:35 maybe someone comes to clean it probably once a week, and they probably just replace it anyway. So yeah, let us try to build up strength and try to get through your days. Right. People

Jessamyn 42:44 are like Cagle, Steve. Yeah. That was oh, and then there was my favorite list question. Speaking of movies, again, just the like, you know, what, what movies does everybody need to have seen? Yeah, but they got a whole bunch of people chit chatting about it. And, you know, it's almost like

mathowie 43:00 common culture. I mean, a lot of people just said, here are the 100 Greatest Movies of All Time lists at every site in the world. But a lot of it's like, yeah, here are these like, common bits of culture, people are good to go into quote from all the time that you better be aware of.

Jessamyn 43:16 Right. Well, I think I've talked about that, that I didn't see like Blazing Saddles until like way after college and I would have these friends who were like, you've never seen Blazing Saddles, you know, as if, like, I was raised somehow deficient. Yeah. Which, you know, I probably was, let's be honest, but like whatever Blazing Saddles like it's a great movie, but

mathowie 43:34 I had a spinal tap moment, like 22 or something a friend just literally, we dropped everything, went to Blockbuster and got Spinal Tap went back to his house to watch it. Because it was so important. To good movie. It's good. I've never actually seen Blazing Saddles.

Jessamyn 43:50 Oh, really? See, I think you should see it. It's very funny.

mathowie 43:52 There's like two common movies. I've never seen three probably. I've never seen Blazing Saddles. I've never seen et. I've never seen Titanic.

Jessamyn 44:01 Do that's the second time we've talked about. It's like well, you should go see it because Fiona would like it.

mathowie 44:06 To et really? My mom told me it was too scary. I was like 11 or something. She's like, too scary. You can't see it. No, there was no there were no like VCRs back then like 83 or whatever and like it just never came out on videos. I think Spielberg was weird about like video quality. And I don't think it came out like like 1990 or something on VHS and that that point of forgot about it was like yeah,

Jessamyn 44:31 I don't think it's that scary. I mean, it's not that awesome either but like you should see it I probably should yeah you know it's it's a kid movie and like once Fiona get grows up, you'll never see it. So yeah,

mathowie 44:42 I like to Best Global Warming. Real estate deals.

Jessamyn 44:49 very mixed feelings.

mathowie 44:51 But it's just funny though. Long term thinking people can be in such short term. I don't know types of worlds like I've heard winery people, some friends went to this wine, like conference, they had a whole conference presentation on global warming changes to the wine industry. And they're like, what happens in Napa is going to happen in Oregon. What happens in Oregon now is going to be in like, Vancouver, Canada. And you know, ice wine is going to have to go all the way to Alaska or something. And they're, but they're saying it's so matter of factly that it was like, Oh, my God, I need to buy property now. You know, things aren't gonna move overnight. It's gonna take 3050 years, who knows?

Jessamyn 45:31 Right? Well, and I think it's a hard thing to deal with the fact that like, in 50 years, like, where am I going to be in 50 years? Yeah, like underground probably like as much as I'd like to think I'm gonna live forever. And as much as I'm really looking forward to that for Mont oceanfront property. Realistically speaking, I don't have that long view.

mathowie 45:52 Yeah, and a lot of it's like, it's the question is about sort of like investment sorta, I mean, I think he said he was gonna live in it, but it's gonna be cold for decades before it's warm again. So yeah, it's kind of funny. It's like overly optimistic. That's just kind of funny and pessimistic. Same time.

Jessamyn 46:14 Right. What does everybody think about Patagonia? I mean, I also felt like it was a little bit of a it was a little bit of a you know, blog post as asked me Yeah, to be honest.

mathowie 46:25 Oh, this was like neato stuff was the I don't want to give my girlfriend a ring with a diamond in it. I want a moon rock in that damn thing. Something from space. I want you to see that yeah, how much does that cost? Apparently actual slices of real rocks of the moon are like illegal to trade in and insanely expensive but people point out meteorites are all over the place little rocks fall from the sky and you can know what a meteorite is it's not like you have

Jessamyn 46:58 to go you use your science background before it is

mathowie 47:02 you have to go anywhere to get a meteorite they fall to the earth and you can just find one in your backyard yeah, there's some there's some links to one of the highlighted best answers has the link to like actually nice looking jewelry made with meteorite

Jessamyn 47:17 that's really that's really cool. I like Moonstone which isn't stone from the moon but it's this really pretty rock anyhow, as as a cue to says the love that fell to earth. And then Manolo for brides actually had a post about meteorite rings which is probably not at all a coincidence

mathowie 47:36 sweet Yeah. So yeah, that's about it. Oh, how do you wiki roar with your voice that was another super PA. Yeah, bro.

Jessamyn 47:47 I was like away for a couple days and I feel like I owe

mathowie 47:51 walkie rose came back from the dead I saw this on Twitter the talking about this is from 2000 I know I saw this on like three blogs and the same day that I saw it on delicious like 30 times and I was like, oh, that's hilarious. When did that come up? I don't remember originally coming up.

Jessamyn 48:07 So wait, did it just make it go round again? Yeah,

mathowie 48:09 somebody found it. Marlin man or somebody like was the first one to post it. They just found it like from a Google search and then everyone just splayed out from there.

Jessamyn 48:20 I thought this is brand is such a tastemaker. It's crazy.

mathowie 48:24 I thought this is brand new.

Jessamyn 48:25 That's funny. 2005

mathowie 48:27 I just read the best answer on how do you make a rookie sounding roar and it's there's some tongue thingies and gargling things you have to do to make it work

Jessamyn 48:36 see if I had known we were going to talk about this I would have practiced

mathowie 48:42 it try right now go nuts

Jessamyn 48:46 I don't have enough spit

mathowie 48:49 without water

Jessamyn 48:50 well yeah like you'd like tip your head back oh

mathowie 48:54 it's gotta be yeah I couldn't do that's pretty respectable

Jessamyn 49:01 checks. I mean there aren't any lady with these anyhow are there

mathowie 49:05 there are conventions well I think that's about does it for the

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