Podcast 188 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 188: Big Stride Moonshot (2022-12-05).

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Cortex 0:13 Yes, so Yeah,

Jessamyn 0:15 gotta we gotta late August podcast out.

Cortex 0:17 Yeah, we did our start of August podcast at the start of September and then then we just skipped doing a podcast for September. And here we are, and it's October and we're doing a So yeah, this is a two month or this is a, this is a big big, big, big, big stride. A big Yeah, looking for a good fun metaphor here. This is This is episode 188 of the Metafilter monthly podcast, by the way, I'm Josh cortex Mullard. And I'm Jessamyn and here we are. So yeah, we're, we're taking our big, our big leap. Our This is our moonshots our, I'm really now, I was like, you know, like a great, you know, I was saying giant, you know, big leap giant leap mankind. Neil Armstrong, I don't know, I'm, I'm swimming in a sea of, of unjust stated metaphors. I yeah, I don't know.

Jessamyn 1:21 Do you remember when we recorded the last podcast?

Cortex 1:24 I think I think it was, I think it was the start of August. So I think we are just hitting about like, I think we're basically kicking everything from August and September into the up for grabs been here. Interesting. So

Jessamyn 1:36 that was that was just what I was sort of trying to figure out looking at my bookmark lists, trying to figure out which ones because as you know, I use bookmarks as podcast indicators.

Cortex 1:46 Yes.

I, you know, I use basically entirely on site tools for that. I go through my recent activity, and I go through the occasional favorite all throw on something. And if it's not there, then I've forgotten about it entirely. Which is not great. Because sometimes I look at a thread like, oh, that's kind of fun. And then I don't like do one of those things. But it also means I don't have to think about you know, any other sort of formal bookmarking process at all. I have less material to work with. Right? Which is why our guests are so famously brief.

Jessamyn 2:23 Yeah, okay.

Cortex 2:24 How was how was How's How's how's life?

Jessamyn 2:27 Ah, you know, it's super mixed, right? Like, I'm sort of telling everybody, it's the worst Airbnb I've ever stayed in.

But it's kind of like almost what you want out of like a weird Airbnb, in that it's kind of big, you can move around in it and, you know, look at various things. It's weird. It's a neat location. So like, I moved.

I bought this house in the middle of August, I moved at the very end of August, meaning the movers showed up and move my stuff two and a half blocks up the road. And then I've been unpacking since then, and you know, running into people to store like, Hey, you unpacked yet I'm like, really? Who says that? That's so weird. Um, so, you know, I've got the important stuff set up, I've got my office, I've got my bedroom, the kitchens working and nice. It's way too big, which I knew, you know, like I knew going into it, it was the right house at the right price. Or it was almost the right house, it was the right location and the right price and the right time. So the fact that it wasn't quite the right house is like, not that big a deal. But, you know, as anybody knows, with home buying, there's an awful lot of front loading of shit you have to deal with, you know, like, turn the furnace on or the boiler on earlier in the week, and it started pissing water on the floor. So you got to call a guy, right? And it's got two bathrooms. And in the main bathroom, the toilet is basically not working. So you got to call a guy, you know, and it's like, kinda like that on and on and on. If you're lucky to get the guy. Very lucky to get a really good plumber, still trying to figure out an electrician, don't need an electrician, but will at some point need an electrician and it's good to like, have a guy.

Cortex 4:23 Yeah, and the older the house, the more you might need an electrician. Yeah, and

Jessamyn 4:29 this house is 100 years old. It's got some original wiring and mostly redone wiring, which is good, but almost no grounded outlets, not very many outlets, you know, like my bedroom has one outlet. It's not grounded. And that's wild, you know, because like I've got like a charger and a lamp and a fan. And maybe that's it but it's still like three things and I've got two plugs. Oh and my electric mattress pad warmer

Cortex 4:59 based based on very small sample sizes that feels like a very, like, old New England house thing. Yeah. Like just not enough outlets and not enough grounded outlets by far. I mean, like, it's an old architecture thing to it was like it was that it was like that in the apartment building I lived in for years downtown in the early 2000s, where it's like, but it was like an old 1930s apartment building that had been, you know, not all that redone since the 1930s. And

Jessamyn 5:29 yeah, like, there's a couple of rooms that have like a panel of grounded outlets that were clearly put in decently recently, right, but like, you know, house was built in 1900 1910, something like that. Yeah, when like, electricity wasn't really a priority. And it was lived in by like, one family that kind of got old in this house, and then bought by another family, who got old in this house. So kind of, really, by the time you know, it was a rental property for a couple years before I bought it. And no one was really living here besides like, the very elderly lady who lived here. So like, not as many improvements were done as might have been done. On the other hand, it was priced to sell like, cool, right? So, you know, it's, it's really kind of mixed, like, I'm not at the point where I can just walk into the house and feel like I can be like, Ah, I'm just gonna live in this house. You know, I'm like, Oh, I got a pile of curtains, I gotta figure out where they're gonna go. Or like, I got a bunch of windows I have to replace or I have a bunch. You know, I need a couch. How do you get a couch kind of thing? Yeah. But the house itself? Great neighborhood. Great. I live next door to someone I banned from Metafilter. who's actually a friend? And it's just not right for metal filter. And

Cortex 6:56 no, I think I think I remember the context there. Yeah. And so,

Jessamyn 6:59 you know, there's a bunch of people who've been helping me out with various stuff, which I appreciate. But it's a little weird being like the lady who lives alone in the big house, you know, because people have a combination of like, Oh, are you gonna get roommates? Or like, Oh, my husband keeps going over to help you with stuff. And I'm like, Ah, like, I don't need him to like, you know what I mean? Like, I've never I don't want to I don't want to grab somebody else's helper to be my helper. So I'm mostly my own helper. But every now and again, I get in kind of over my head.

Cortex 7:35 Yeah.

Jessamyn 7:37 But yeah, you know, internet works. Offices. Nice. radiators are cool. The bathroom, Reno we'll wait. The kitchen is fine. I like it. Even if other people don't

Cortex 7:48 feel it. That's the nature of bathroom rent us.

Jessamyn 7:51 Yeah, I mean, it's a weird bathroom. It's got like two sinks. And like tile. I mean, that tile, but like those sorts of vinyl floor tiles that have to date from like the 60s or 70s. Like I get the feeling that place was renovated once by the people who bought it in the 60s. Oh, listen, it's actually somebody honking outside. And then and then they kind of didn't touch it again. And like it doesn't matter, you know? But it's a little wild. Because they clearly lived in it. Like have you ever like gone into somebody's house and you're like wow, you live in this like this? That's really huh

Cortex 8:35 I gotta find the goofy meme for that. It's like Damn girl you live like this I think is the

Jessamyn 8:42 fight. Wait, there's a meme.

Cortex 8:46 There is Oh, excellent snack girl. It's that's the B word.

Unknown Speaker 8:52 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Cortex 8:55 I'll just find it. I hate know your meme.com on like principle because I feel like it's exactly the sort of like gross quasi information source monetized cheeseburger bullshit. But sometimes it's definitely the most forthright way to

Jessamyn 9:12 I find it helpful for me looking up and no, yeah,

Cortex 9:17 no, it's like it's helpful. It's like It's like if there was you know

Jessamyn 9:25 wow, I have never even seen this one

Cortex 9:27 information kiosk in a shit filled guilty pool. Sort of the five I have. I don't know. I feel like I'm being mean but also I feel like I'm not. I don't know. Know Your Meme dot coms like design and Information and Management and ad tech decisions are firmly on the side of boy you are not motivated by us specifically desired do the right thing here. Are you? Yeah, whatever.

Jessamyn 9:55 Yeah, so at any rate, like the bathroom is bizarre, but like, again And I've just sort of move past it in my mind because I'm like, I'm going to deal with it later. Okay? But every, you know, every now and again, somebody walks in and they're like, what? And I'm like, Well, I don't know what came this way.

Cortex 10:15 I like a weird house. Like, it's easier to like a weird house that you don't actually have to deal with a weirdness of long term. So like, I like a weird house away. I like a dog. You know, it's great to like, scratch other people's and not have to think about it after that. But But I do like a word house. I'm I'm glad in a entirely sort of selfish, I appreciate this as that experience, you're having sort of way that you have. I appreciate that.

Jessamyn 10:39 But it's more helpful if I think of it is not my house, you know what I

Cortex 10:43 mean? Sure. Having some sort of like, trying to give a good fake DSMB title for, like, you know, psychological house rejection or something.

Jessamyn 10:57 Yeah. Well, because it's so funny. Like, you know, I walk people around, people want to see the inside of it a lot. And I walk them around, and I'm like, Oh, this, that. And the other. And this I like, and this I don't like so much, and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, and this is my fake bedroom. And they're like, what? I'm like, Well, this is the bedroom I tell people is my bedroom. But my real bedroom has a cave in the back of the house. And I don't want to talk about it. Because like, I like being in a room that it's almost entirely dark. I've got a platform bed. Like, it's just and it's fine. Like I really like it. But if you show it to somebody and you're like, This is the bedroom of the person that owns the house, like they're like, Why didn't you take like the big Sunday bedroom? You're like, cuz I'm not a big Sunday person. But there is a guestroom. That's lovely. And I think it makes people feel better. They think that's my bedroom. You know what I mean?

Cortex 11:48 Yeah. Give it you're giving them psychological support. Exactly.

Jessamyn 11:54 Exactly. There's definitely a lot of that going on, where they're like, Well, this is weird. And I'm like, oh, no, I love this. Oh. Oh, whoops. So yes, that's my, that's my little house thing. I moved entirely like I overlapped in September just so I could get my old place cleaned and whatever. Oh, and that's my other complaint. This place was filthy. When I moved in. Like, the renter's hadn't cleaned it. The woman I bought it from hadn't cleaned it. She spent like lots of time making videos on Facebook of like closing down her childhood home, which like, you know, hey, people have their nostalgia feels and you can tell them to feel otherwise. All the time. Yeah, like it was really just dirty. And like she was moving stuff out until like, Monday afternoon. And Monday was our closing, you know what I mean? Not great. And she's gonna live next door with the guy I banned for Metafilter when I like she lives in Paris most of the time. But she comes back here, which is the town she grew up in for, you know, a couple of weeks through two or three weeks every so often. And so when she comes back, she'll be living next door. All right, in my friend's guestroom, in a window with a with a window that overlooks my fake bedroom, which is another reason it's not my real bedroom. And like she and I are friends, we get along, but it is just a strange story. You know what I mean?

Cortex 13:28 Yeah, it's, I think, I think any any existing relationship that also somehow takes onboard, the transfer of ownership of a house is gonna like, it just gets a little bit lumpier Yeah, well, it's a strange big thing.

Jessamyn 13:45 There's stuff. I have questions. I don't want to ask her a bunch of questions about it, because I don't want to get a whole bunch of stories about her mother. And growing up here. I just want like, where's the shut off for the thing? So I figure I'll just like keep a list and Yeah. But yeah, well, it is. It is good. It was nice to shut down my place, which I got professionally cleaned. My little apartment. Go you can be. But yeah, it's um, it's interesting being in the same neighborhood living in a different place, because I lived in that old place for 14 years. Yeah. Alright. Enough, enough house stock. I assume your house is fine.

Cortex 14:27 My house is fine. Cool. Let's see. I I bumped around aggressively yesterday because I was feeling like absolute dogshit after getting a booster on.

Jessamyn 14:40 Oh, yeah, I gotta get mine on Sunday. I think

Cortex 14:42 so. I'm glad I did that. And I'm glad I feel like a human being again today. But yeah, yesterday was like, boy, that was a bullshit waste of a day.

Jessamyn 14:50 Well, it wasn't a waste of a day now. You've got more immunity to effects of COVID.

Cortex 14:55 The day itself was

Jessamyn 15:00 And we didn't podcast last month because you were sick. And you're right wasn't COVID But like,

Cortex 15:07 I continue to be pretty sure. No, I mean, I came clear on a series of things and it didn't like it didn't persist in symptomatically relevant ways. I think I just like yeah, it was gut something and was down for a couple days there. Because yeah, that's right. We had we had tentatively scheduled sort of a mid month one that I'm like, I am just Nope. And then time passed, as it is want to do. Right? But now here we are. Here we are.

Jessamyn 15:35 And I hadn't heard from you. So I was like, I assume he has not died. Yes,

Cortex 15:39 exactly. Well, it's good. Trust me if I if I wouldn't fucking caught COVID Everyone would find out because I'd be absolutely fucking pissed about it. Right. Fucking mask wearing homebody. vaccin boosted doing the things correctly. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 15:54 but Yeah, same, same. Yeah.

Cortex 15:59 But no, I'm perfectly healthy and have nothing to complain about. It's stupid.

Ah, yes. Here we go. I'll get I'll get my brain into this podcast game here any second now? metal filter stuff. Let's talk about Metafilter stuff.

Jessamyn 16:26 metal filter stuff. Yeah. Cool. Well, one of the things I have noticed is I have spent an awful lot of time in my home, trying to figure out what the fuck goes where, you know, because like, this room is shaped differently than the room this piece of furniture came from? Where does it go? Is this post by Thoreau burrow, which is basically talking about lumping and splitting, which you probably know about loosely, just assume you know about taxonomy stuff. It tickles

Cortex 17:01 something I'm trying to remember the the specifics that it's getting into, but please continue.

Jessamyn 17:12 Well, you know, lumping is when you categorize stuff, and more stuff gets connected to more stuff, like, Oh, these two birds are more or less the same, we're going to just call them the same bird, you know, variants on the same bird splitting is when you make more and more increasingly granular taxonomic categories from one larger category. And so you're like, these two birds have a subtle difference. We're going to call them two different birds. Yeah. And so this post by Thoreau burrow is kind of like a chatty post. But also, you know, because like, tag yourself which, which, which are you and it links to a an out fog thing talking about? Oh, thank you easy YouTube Video Downloader. That is up updated itself, man. Yeah. But it's talking about, like, you know, with native and rare plants, the difference between, hey, these two plants are the same. And these two plants are different, or with any endangered species can really be the difference between, you know, saving the one species and not the other or saying these two are the same, and maybe they're not endangered, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So it just turned into kind of an interesting you know, chatty, chatty, thread, not not even super chatty, but I just kind of liked it because I think for people who know, who know about that kind of taxonomy thing, they have opinions. And so that is, that is fun. Yeah, absolutely. You know, talking about Pluto, is Pluto a planet? If you think so, are you a bumper

Cortex 18:59 series if you Yeah, are you You

Jessamyn 19:01 know, it's like there's two kinds of people blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So it's from August so unfortunately nobody can go in there and comment but I liked it and I thought it was neat.

Cortex 19:11 And maybe someone can chin up and loosely related posts that come you know let them make the argument that they would have made if the thread bill still been open you know always be Kenny

Jessamyn 19:22 use all the same tags

Cortex 19:24 yeah pull it up my time. I'm trying to you know, let's just let's just start with something like low low hanging fruit there's a post on the blue from yesterday about oh god Musk coming back around on the whole Twitter thing that I'm not even gonna sum it all up. There's good stuff in the in the post and in the thread in particular is a good roundup of different people doing explainers on the whole situation, which if you've not been following it, and haven't heard me try and some of up on a previous one that I'm not gonna, like, do the whole thing right now. But basically, maybe Elon Musk will be buying Twitter after all,

Jessamyn 20:08 why he wasn't going to it first. Like I remember when this started. And then it was all like breaking news that wasn't breaking, and I stopped paying attention.

Cortex 20:17 I mean, the very short version is no one knows really exactly why he decided to try and buy Twitter, but he did a he did try to and he made a genuine offer. And he even sort of shot himself on the foot for reasonable ways to back out of the offer if he didn't like it. And then like two weeks later, he seemed to want to back out of it after having shot himself on the foot on that front, and then Twitter sued him to basically say, no, look, you made a fucking deal with us. We expect you to do that.

Jessamyn 20:46 And he decided and that's this is where I came back in again. So like the lawsuit was gonna, like, start in a couple of weeks, and he decided it might just be easier to buy it, right. That's

Cortex 20:57 sort of the theory, although people have been reading closely or more like the theory is by saying, hey, drop the lawsuit, and I'll just buy it, he might get out of having to deal with embarrassing discovery and losing the case. Oh, there's been like, there's been some text messages between him and other millionaires. Going around that's been stupid and embarrassing in a way that's not really surprising. Anyone who's dealt with like a shitty tech person before but like, definitely goes against the grain of like, oh, this billionaire genius who has really dumb fucking conversations with people over text messages, it turns out, yeah. Anyway, thanks. So who fucking knows? Like I I kind of immediately regret bringing it up because like, I'm tired of the guy entire the whole thing. But also, it's, it's a weird big fucking legal and business spectacle. And a lot of us use Twitter. So if you're curious about the current details of that the thread is a decent source of like, all know what's going on? And yeah, right, right, right.

Jessamyn 21:59 Meat. Okay. I may skip that. But it's there.

Cortex 22:04 It's one of those things like, it's like I'm recommending it. And also like, I'm not like recommending recommending it. This is not like, oh, but this is my thread of the last two months. It's like, well, you know, if you're gonna read about this shit, you might as well read about it on metal filter.

Jessamyn 22:17 So this is a post that I liked by Metafilter world peace. Which is, I know, right?

Cortex 22:29 Probably, I probably knew about username, but I, which links to

Jessamyn 22:33 a post a website called the squeaky wheel, which is essentially the onion for disabled people, by disabled people. And so it basically takes a lot of the trophy shit that disabled people have to deal with all the time, and turns it into, you know, amusing articles about stuff. So like, opinion, neurological condition might be all in your head as an example of like, things people hear all the damn time colleagues competing for Employee of the Year scrambling to help perfectly capable disabled woman, the real superheroes, the mothers of the mothers of disabled children, et cetera, et cetera. But like, it's funny, the entire staff are people with disabilities. They, you know, it's well designed. It's interesting. It's got a whole bunch of current stuff. And I just thought it was, it was neat. And then the thread has, you know, disabled monopoly player panics as assets approach $2,000. Because that's to get in the way of your disability payments, cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Some

Cortex 23:50 grim Chuck's because like, yeah, right, like, it's a good joke. And also, it's a good joke, because fuck the way,

Jessamyn 23:57 right? Yeah, but I enjoyed it. And I feel like for people who want to sort of more fully understand the disability community if they're not a part of it, or if you're part of it, and just want to be able to, like, get some laughs out of stuff. It was it was good. I just thought it was really interesting. And I was really interested in, in, in reading it.

Cortex 24:21 Yeah. No, that's great. I have not seen that. Yeah. There is. Okay. There's chess drama. I think this has all played out since we last talked. This is this is a thread that I liked. It's pretending to be a different thread that I also followed with interest.

Jessamyn 24:42 I don't understand

Cortex 24:44 what I realize I'm trying to think of a better way to set this up, but then it's just explaining because it links there. Okay. There was let me talk about different things for which there probably is a metaphor thread that I might have followed, but I haven't found it yet. There was drama in professional chess, a guy named Magnus Carlsen, who's like currently, like the best chess player in the world. Quit a tournament and accused sort of vaguely his opponent of cheating. His opponent 19 year old who has been sort of shooting up but is not rated as well as Magnus Carlsen. But who beat Magnus Carlsen and Carlson quit the tournament and then sort of like hinted at like, God smooth cheating. But like, for whatever reason, didn't just say, Oh, yes, I know for a fact this guy cheated. Well, it's kind of hard to prove that someone cheated. Because, you know, if they get away with it, then how would you know? And if they get away with it? How do you know that? They didn't not cheat and just have a good game. Anyway, it's a big thing. Because this Carlson guy is like a big, big, huge name, like, you know, he's like the reigning World Champ, I think. And this hit the popular consciousness a little bit more, because instead of just being a story about like chess and cheating, it was a story about chess and cheating. And someone speculating that there could have been the use of concealed vibrating material to communicate the cheating information, which then transformed into like material, which then well, like, like, you know, you can have a device that vibrates. And then that translated into a yes. What if we were or whatever. Yeah, like, you know, Morse code via vibration, something about like the state of being sent in by a third party watching. And then relaying it to your chest simulator or something to get more information and come up with a good move. And then maybe that was, maybe it's a vibrating butt plug is how that worked was. I don't remember how it came in the conversation. But like,

Jessamyn 26:38 that sounds like it's the butt plug guy on Twitter. Right. Like, like, I don't know, what is that? i Oh, yeah, it's an open source software project for controlling intimate hardware. And I follow them on Twitter, because they're a good follow.

Cortex 26:59 Yes, I think I them or someone else, had some stuff up on GitHub specifically about this. I think this is older than the like, this blog.io stuff is definitely older than the

Jessamyn 27:10 Yeah, but I'm just saying they're on Twitter and interact a lot. So

Cortex 27:16 they've been all over that. So if yes, if you've seen an uptick in discussion of like, butt plugs. It's probably because of the professional chess world. So that's like,

Jessamyn 27:28 Okay, so now what does that have to do with this thread?

Cortex 27:31 This post is pretending to be related to that by having the title of chess dramas over and you know, summing stuff up. But this is actually about a much sillier milder thing where there's a guy who is a very good chess player, and also plays a lot of online stuff, who guested on a podcast with a guy who is a good chess player, and like a chess podcaster. And the guy who's the host, the merely very good player, really likes this opening called the Stafford opening, which is a sort of oddball opening that not a whole lot of people like because it's not that great. And he got like, the really, really good chess player to sort of commit to say, yeah, no, I'll play that in that tournament. I'm gonna play next week, I'll use the Stafford opening. And then the guy got around to that tournament, like, you know, I really spent some time think about the Stafford opening, and it just sucks. I'm not gonna play it. And then look, I was like, hey, you know, he made a promise. And he didn't do it. And I'm just heartbroken. It's just indefensible. And then finally, the guy's like, you know what, I'm gonna play it and did it. Anyone and the whole thing is like, it's non drama, but it's like, right. It's a very

Jessamyn 28:33 drama. I get it. I get it. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Well, and it's a masterful made posts, right, because you've got to understand the first story to understand why the post itself is

Cortex 28:44 exactly funny at all, like out of context, it just wouldn't work. Yes, but there's a link there's a link in there in classrooms post below the fold to some of the Magnus Carlsen hands, Neeleman butt plug stuff.

Jessamyn 29:00 Nice. You know it this is I mean, that is ingenious, really? If you were doing that?

Cortex 29:05 Oh, sure. Yeah. Like it's not going to show up on a pat down. I don't know that they pat down for but like, you know, they definitely like the specter of cheating is certainly an issue in chess, just like it would be in poker and whatnot. So like, I'm sure there's attempts at security and limitations on available devices and whatnot. So yeah, if you can, if you can make it worth a buck plug, go for it. But also, I think people just, like an excuse to talk about butt plugs. nanobeads Sure. So like, you know, who

Jessamyn 29:33 does it. I mean, you and me, but other than that,

Cortex 29:36 I mean,

Jessamyn 29:37 I don't want to talk to you about plugs. I'm just telling you, I don't know. Nope.

Cortex 29:45 Yeah, what else you got? Shit.

Jessamyn 29:47 I always have to sort of break out to people. I'm like New England and I really like Titleist and whatever that is, I don't want to talk about it. Like I'm never sure if that's like evidence that I'm on the autism spot. germ or if it's literally just evidence that I'm from New England, you don't I mean, but I'll like just not even butt plugs. But just in general, like, I'll just slide up here. Like, I don't want to talk about that. And he'll be like, what? me like, I want to talk about it. And like, that's just not the way. I think people operate like that, you know, they change the subject or do other things that are more elegant. Yeah. And I'm just like, No, no, I'm talking about stuff talking about blood plugs. No, or whatever. So thanks, Josh, for not talking about blood plugs. Thank you for what else? I have 20 years of language hat. Oh, I also had a birthday last month. We could have been Yeah, happy birthday, like, Hey, happy birthday, but I'm now 54 years old. It's cool. It's at the upper end, when you're filling out a survey of like the second to last,

Cortex 30:53 like age range before you get into like 55. Plus,

Jessamyn 30:56 yeah, either 55 Plus, which I think means I can join AARP or they'll take anyone, right? Or it's like 55 to 65. And then it's like 65 and older. You know what I mean? So I enjoy good people my age one

Cortex 31:09 of those. And yeah, 54 is nice. It's a

Jessamyn 31:14 great, it's a great number.

Cortex 31:17 It's two times three to the third. Right? Right. How

Jessamyn 31:21 cool is that? It's it's a good one. Jim was like, it's three times three times two times two. And I'm like, No, it isn't close. But like, he went to Carnegie Mellon, like he knows math, he just, you know, but yes, 54 Good. Age 53. Ridiculous. So, yes, this thread by Beagle about language hat, who? Who is kind of, you know, you know, how people say, and here's another thing I don't know, like, I've never said this out loud. But like, somebody's texting you and you're done texting with them. And so you just like you leave it on read? Or you leave it on read? What read? Is

Cortex 32:01 it? I think read like, like as it has been read.

Jessamyn 32:06 So you leave it that you've read it, but you're gonna leave it on? Yeah. Leave it on bread. Cuz Yeah, we're selling my mother's house, our realtor likes to text. We don't like to text with our realtor, because she's just blah, blah, blah. And she's in a group text with me and my sister and like, so I'll be back chilling with my sister, like, do we have to reply to this case? Like, leave it on read? I'm like, why? Since when are you hip? I don't understand this at all. The whole reason I'm mentioning this is because language had basically has metal filter on read. You know what I mean? Like, I can see him coming into favorite, but like, he doesn't interact as much as he used to, although I believe I believe he showed up in this thread.

Cortex 32:44 Yeah, he's there.

Jessamyn 32:46 Yeah. And he's occasionally around. But his walk earlier, became 20 years old. And like, man, not only was he like an early, very intelligent blogger on a niche topic that I think a lot of people were really interested in. But like his blog is like, consistently, just really good. And he's still doing it. And it's just cool. Like, the world is better for him being in it. You know what I mean? And I appreciated this post as basically being a the world is better for you being in it, post. You know what I mean? Made me really happy. So bagel, thank you. And, you know, just a lot of people in the thread that are like, Hey, nice job. Nice job. Nice job, you know, more of that sort of thing.

Cortex 33:36 Thanks for being out here. Yes.

Jessamyn 33:38 Um, another thing, which you probably saw on your social media was there is a glass flute at the Library of Congress. Yes. Carla Hayden, is the black woman who is the Librarian of Congress. They were talking about the flute for reasons. And Lizzo was going to be in DC Lizzo, as you probably know, also is a classically trained flutist. Yes. So, Carla, Hayden's Twitter, tried to get Lizzo to come to the Library of Congress to play James Madison's glass flute, not a metal crystal. It's okay. It's crystal glass.

Cortex 34:39 Cheese's I just walked myself into a fucking bland mine here because like I like my, my wife. Like does mineralogy

Jessamyn 34:46 Alright, let's move on. But I think crystals class and I think you just interrupted me in order to apply me

Cortex 34:54 I guess. Well this is I'll come back to it. I agree white friends here, I should get the fuck out of the way.

Jessamyn 35:03 But at any rate, long story short, with the exception of social media outrage machine, it all went amazing Lizzo got to play this historical flute that used to belong to James Madison notable fucking asshole. And she was adorable, like on social media and in person. Carla Hayden was cool. The Library of Congress was cool. And so then there's a thread by Etrigan, which is essentially, history is freaking cool you guys, which I think is a quote from Lizzo. And just every librarian, loved this, I think a lot of people loved it, except for again, the social media outrage machine and they can go fuck themselves, frankly. I just I just, you know, I love Alyssa. She makes me so happy that she exists in the world. Carla Hayden makes me so happy that she exists as a librarian of Congress. This was just crate made me very happy. And the thread happy people.

Cortex 36:06 I follow almost no, like, celebrity or big, follower count people on social media because like,

Jessamyn 36:13 oh, there's my noisy muffler neighbor.

Cortex 36:15 Hold on sort of

Jessamyn 36:21 all right, sorry.

Cortex 36:22 All right. I did hear a little bit. So that was it. Yeah. All right. Well, cuz

Jessamyn 36:26 I don't know if this was pre roll or post roll. But like, I'm getting a window fix. So all I have is the screen and right now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I'm sorry. Go on.

Cortex 36:37 Yes, like she's one of the few like, famous people I follow on on the social media, because like, she is consistently delightful. And it's not just weird fucking goop ads or something. Right. So yeah, I sort of saw like, the initial bits was like, yeah, oh, this is fucking great. And then like, you know, she did like, a little bit on stage. And they did a few different, like, internal things. At the library.

Jessamyn 37:02 Yeah, they had a whole bunch of like, behind the scenes, like footage of her looking at the flutes and, you know, practicing and that kind of stuff. And they pointed out that, like, it's actually better if these flutes get played. Because they're musical instruments, right? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, animacy has a really good point in the thread that's like, this is what happens when you put it a librarian in the role of being the Librarian of Congress, not just some academic jerk, kind of, yeah, really cool.

Cortex 37:34 This is, you know, a living archive, ideally. Not just like a closet full of stuff that no one ever touches or looks at her interacts with. Yes, no, I managed to not see any of the shitty outrage stuff. I didn't see it either actually go looking for like, where the shitty comments are gonna be. But I saw people reacting to the shitty stuff. I was like, well, not shocked that there was shitty stuff, but also fuck these morons.

Jessamyn 38:01 That's always been kind of my thing with like, social media generally is like, I think people have a better time on social media, if they can ignore the 10% of the shittiest comments. And honestly, the 10% of the kind of blubbering over the top. This is so amazing. Watch this puppy, you know, snorkel this turtle kind of thing. And then like, if you can focus on that, like middle 80%, you usually have a better, more authentic time. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, obviously, there's people who are harassed that don't, I'm not telling them to ignore their harassment, you know what I mean? But like, if other people are just being shitty to other people, not even directly, just leaving, like stupid comments, like, there was a lot of people being like, Oh, of course, like, loser gets all this like, and I think it's absolutely worth making the point that like, as many people did, if she were a skinny white woman, this would be much less of an issue. That said, figuring out how to manage the fact that there are terrible people in the world, and most places are open forums, and like, you know, block, mute, et cetera, et cetera. I just think can make the tools ones that you're able to use. Like we had. Oh, sorry, go on.

Cortex 39:16 You don't know as I say, yeah, like it's, there's a difference between saying, Oh, well just block it, and then it doesn't matter. It's there. But you know, it's still man. Absolutely. You know, you can still do mitigation to improve your fucking quality of life. And you know, remove yourself from some of the systemic like, feedback loops there by saying, hey, you know, not gonna fucking consume or participate in this gross horseshit.

Jessamyn 39:38 Yeah. Yeah, and not amplify the shitty people honestly, it's I think

Cortex 39:44 the biggest issue is like when I when I see a lot about something, obviously unabashedly shitty and intended to get attention and I'm seeing a lot about it despite not engaging with at all. That's kind of that's people fucking up like, you know, if you are shoveling their shit into my face to make sure that I know that you know that it's shitty day you can be Who are you working for at that point? Difficult? Yeah.

Jessamyn 40:08 Yeah, no, I know what you mean. And it's it's it's a tricky needle to thread we had a really interesting is the wrong word but there was a dust up here locally, local transgender kid on a sports team, you can kind of imagine what the outrage was right?

Cortex 40:24 Yeah, yeah, I saw you tweeting something related to that. But

Jessamyn 40:27 it basically had to do with like locker room politics, some local transphobic kids, or maybe probably their parents, like were pissed. And they manufactured a story that they pitched to the news before the actual story that they were harassing this kid made the news. And so there was a whole bunch of like, outrage machine, but very little, they're there because nobody knew what happened. They just knew this one kid who was like, I don't have an issue with trans kids, but and it's like, well, then you have a fucking issue with trans kids. Like, you can't just say that and like, you know, our state legislature, legislators showed himself to just have an absolute lack of understanding about trans issues. So now I'm gonna have to give him a call and have a conversation with him. Because he said some shit, he shouldn't have said, Be just because he's ignorant. You know, he's a, he's a young guy in a rural community, but so I like was like, Well, I'm gonna make a statement because somebody should and etcetera. And like, I got a bunch of like, weird ankle biters on Twitter who were like, my right, and I was like, you know, I'm really torn between my library and desire to be like, Hey, you're wrong about that. Let me talk to you about where you got your facts wrong. And being like, I don't even think they even sincerely feel how they feel. You know, I just think they're on social media to like yell at people, even though some of them are like actual Vermonters and not like Russian bots. You know what I mean? And it's, and it's hard because if you want to, like write people's wrongs, or like, right peoples misunderstandings, but sometimes it's better to just not get into a conversation with somebody who's going to turn it into a like, Baba Baba Baba. But what about but what about, you know, what about Islam all over the place? So yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's interesting to think about for me, and I really enjoy watching Lizzo play the flute.

Cortex 42:29 Yep. She's, she's, she's super fucking fantastic. I was lucky enough to see her. She she performed at XOXO years ago, and it was sort of like, pre as much of a blow up as she has had, but she must it was already on our way. Yeah. But yeah, it was it was delightful. Then, you know, she she hung out and like sang karaoke later that evening with Oh, yeah, it was. It was really fantastic. But I pretty sure I found about her from originally, like years ago from someone on metal filter and Twitter like tweeting about probably Good as hell. I think the video for that. I love that video. Anyway, Liz. Oh, this was great. Fuck the haters. Fuck the morons. Yes. And yes, I did a little bit of research while we were going through that. So you are correct. That crystal is in fact just class, although it's not just class, but it's class. Well, the thing that the thing that fucked me up was like, I was like, white, but crystal like, see glass is not crisp. But isn't crystal a rock? Yeah, well, it's specifically, glass is a amorphous, right. It doesn't have an actual crystalline structure to it. Yeah, it's, you know, just sort of blobby and whatnot. So by definition, crystal as in glass, that is of the sort that we call crystal is not a crystal.

Jessamyn 43:53 Exactly. There's there's the adjective and Crystal the now.

Cortex 43:58 Yeah. And that was that my brain started going into a little like, wait a second thing there. Hence, my dumb interruption. No, it's fine. But now, but what I realized is like, I have no idea what the deal is with like crystal as in like, you know, Crystal where, cuz there's no it can't. It can't be carved out a crystal. Right? It can't be just carved, like extremely clear quartz. That'd be insane. But what if it is and yeah, no, it's not. It's it's just a specific formulation or sort of like a categorization of formulations of class with the certain percentages of different things, above or below certain thresholds and whatnot, that makes it just have different characteristics. But it's just, it's just, it's just specific glass. So now I know now I couldn't stop trying to imagine people carving classes out of huge chunks of pristine quartz, I guess is the other possibility I was considering I don't know.

Jessamyn 44:56 Well, and you know, I didn't know either. I just was pretty Sure. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, we've all learned here today. Yes, exactly.

Cortex 45:04 There we go. Let's see other things. I liked this post from hippy bear about a project loosely called a sink. I guess. That's like a found footage thing. I'm a sucker for found footage, which Yeah, you know. Yeah, I've talked about that before. But anyway, it's like weird labyrinthine corridors, which I'm also a sucker for. And this is basically a bunch of footage generated by some kid I think I if I remember, I think it might be like a 1617 year old cane pixels. Yeah, there we go. Making this stuff and like, you know, 3d rendering software like blender I think and such. So like, most of this is not actual footage, there's a little bit at the main link and the the, the main link in the post is a good one because it's like 10 minutes long and sort of gives you the whole vibe of the thing and it starts with like, some actual kids fucking around doing some shit, you know, shabby filming by a dumpster or something. And then the guy with the camera falls through the hole into this weird strange underground Oh, series of corridors. And at that point we're firmly into, okay, now we're just gonna do a bunch of like 3d generation and then also convincing camera movements and good sound effects and film debris degradation to give it a feel like it's actually just grainy video footage.

Jessamyn 46:25 Well, points out a lot of people have used it as source material for like Tic TOCs and stuff like that. So you may have seen it without knowing you've seen it or

Cortex 46:33 might have might have Yeah. Anyway, it's, it's, it's really well done working with the resources, you have scrappy, horror, but like, you know, just like scary rather than like, you know, Gore stuff, and I really liked it. It's just my vibe. I mentioned House of Leaves on Twitter in passing the other day, and I realized that like, oh, yeah, that's, that's also in my wheelhouse. And also, it'd be bears. I think he responded that saying, yeah, that leaves

Jessamyn 47:04 well, and hippie bears like, listen to the interview. If you want to know more about this, he answers a lot of the questions that people are raising in the thread. Yeah. And other sort of billionaire news, I can't believe I'm saying this, but this thread by will, on the 14th of September, talking about the Patagonia founder who essentially gave away their company that was worth billions. And this links to a it's an archive.ph link, which is just a it's a New York Times article about the guy who founded Patagonia, and you know, his kids work there, and they're all incredibly wealthy, and he's just a guy who's not that into hoarding his wealth. And so they made a trust and part of the trust is all going to give the profits to combat climate change, protect undeveloped land, it's really it's a story that I saw somewhere else. But it's it was neat to see the kind of Metafilter conversation on it, basically, and he did it without getting a tax deduction. And so threads interesting go check it out. If you haven't heard about the story already. I am sorry to talk about billionaires even good billionaires.

Cortex 48:30 Speaking of horror film there's a post from African speaking a veteran about a movie coming out called Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey. Yes. Because yes, the expiration of the A Milan, Winnie the Pooh? Yes, copyright. And the movie looks like just absolute shit. Oh, it looks like trash. When when your trailer is not good when your trailer can.

Jessamyn 49:02 You can make it it's like looking at like Mark Zuckerberg, like testifying before Congress. And you're like, that's the best that guy can look.

Cortex 49:09 Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, there's a thing like there's a long history of not very good horror films that had pretty decent trailers because like if I feel like that's a lot of where especially in like this sort of indie like horror territory, you get a lot of people who want to make a movie, but making a whole movie is just literally too expensive. And so what they'll do is they'll make basically a trailer or a teaser short, they'll make like a six minute short film or a 10 minute short film or they make like a two three minute trailer where they'll like get their best ideas there and they can you know, afford to do that. And then sometimes they manage to do exactly what they were hoping to do, which is get that in front of someone who says oh yeah, give me some money, make the whole thing and then make the whole thing it turns out. They didn't make a very good movie. But what the trailers not right, right. It was it was consequently a fun, goofy thread and that also involves them Adjusting about the specific nature of the copyrighted question and whether or not this does or doesn't affect Disney. Well,

Jessamyn 50:06 because it's weird, right? Because Disney made certain versions of the character and also I believe Tigger is like entirely a Disney creation. If I remember correctly, this is just, you know, remembering for my copyright things. So there's certain things you can do that are out of copyright, but other things you can't do that are still in copyright. Also, Disney notoriously litigious. Yeah, so like, you want to stay the fuck away from them if at all possible.

Cortex 50:31 Yep. But I've got a twofer here. Because the the other horror movie post that will hopefully be about a better movie and definitely about a better trailer is the new Hellraiser movie.

Jessamyn 50:45 Hey, it's

Cortex 50:46 coming along. And, and, and I'm very excited about that. Like, I don't know if it's gonna be good, but it can't be as bad as the last half a dozen so. So yeah, that's that's an exciting thing. I'm excited for some pinhead. I'm sure I'll talk about it more once like it exists. But just throwing that out there.

Jessamyn 51:04 Cool. I love it. The only other post I had for Metafilter was just this one by Brandon blancher, who, as you may recall, lost his wife Lisa, earlier, I believe this year. And this is basically an article talking about how the Stages of Grief are not really thing really, like a lot of people read on death and dying that came out like the year after I was born. And you know, there's the model, which basically says there's like whatever denial whatever something. Yeah. Denial again, what is it bargaining?

Cortex 51:39 pression? Acceptance? dabka Yeah, but not Darboe. If you're trying to talk about grief, and you actually say accidentally, say Darboe tarvos? What? Deny attack reverse victim and it's something that basically abusive people do.

Unknown Speaker 51:56 Oh, yeah.

Cortex 51:58 It's abuse. Yeah. And so essentially very different, very different specific roadmap.

Jessamyn 52:04 Brandon was basically talking about, you know, people commonly think they know this, but really, it's just much more complex than this. And there are, you know, things you can, like she was only talking to people with life threatening illnesses. This is not the same as like, you know, people grieving blah, blah, blah. And there's some just stories from people talking about their process, and different things that have happened to them. Who that that brought grief into their lives for periods of time. So I thought it was a good, a good thread and another one that's good to talk to the metal filter people within about. Yeah, that's it for me for metal filter you.

Cortex 52:48 I've got a few more I'll do a quick link roundup on stuff that I don't have a ton to say about but would like to mention, which for one, Louise Fletcher passed away. The actress who played nurse ratchet in Oh, yes, famously

Jessamyn 53:05 posed by Winnie the Pooh,

Cortex 53:07 Winnie the Pooh. And also as mentioned in there, I never

Jessamyn 53:10 knew until right now that was Winnie the Pooh. Oh my god.

Cortex 53:19 I think I probably process that at some point, but I don't remember having done so. So I'm sort of right there with you. Yeah. Anyway. Fletcher was great. And it's a nice like thread of little bit anecdotes and whatnot. There's a post on the post I need to get around to actually consuming the content of from Nigeria, Nigeria.

Jessamyn 53:45 Oh, I love these weird these

Cortex 53:47 projects. Thomas Thomas Thwaites is a guy who does weird stuff. And I have at least bounced into a couple of the previous things he's done. But anyway, the one at the heart of this post is creating a toaster from scratch, like from literally from scratch, not using any sort of existing materials. And it's that sounds fascinating, and the thread was fun to read. And I look forward to digging into at some point, but I haven't gotten there yet. So I have nothing further to say on that specific subject. Okay. I would also like to mention this sort of round up after the fact post from Jack Bishop about September 21. And oh, yeah, Julie Bayes Earth Wind and Fire

Jessamyn 54:38 stuff. All I know is that Demi didn't do a thing this year that isn't said last year that he wasn't doing it again. No, no, but he said that before, too, right. Yeah. But last year, he said it and it was true. Well, I

Cortex 54:50 think I think what he said in previous years was like, you know, it might not happen again. And I think last year he was like, Oh, I understand that. I'm established a bit here but you This is actually like he just needed to not have this hanging over his head every year for the rest of life. So it didn't happen but a lot of people did like their own goofy things and good people talked about enjoying it.

Jessamyn 55:11 So that was a chill day that went good.

Cortex 55:14 I hope so too. He's on some new kids show too. I think ah,

Jessamyn 55:20 again, good energy brings brings light into the world.

Cortex 55:24 Yeah, that means great. Then he does good stuff. No, no, the ninth is out now. Yeah, that's this is this is from

Jessamyn 55:34 a lot of posts for Metafilter. You just let me sprint away thinking you didn't have stuff?

Cortex 55:38 Well, I mean, I got nothing for us metal filter.

Jessamyn 55:42 Oh, good. Well, we're gonna listen to me.

Cortex 55:44 I forgot what exactly. Anyway, getting the ninth and Harold the ninth or two novels in a series that no, the ninth is the third in if you're not familiar with them at all. There's some good stuff in this post talking about aspects of it. But it might be a little bit spoilery. If you totally dig in, people were pretty good about being

Jessamyn 56:02 like Ng and who is another Pru poster. And it's true, though. What

Cortex 56:08 I always assumed it was Proust. Is it true? Well, I mean, for much of my life, I assumed it was Proust. So, you know, I'm getting there and baby steps anyway. Well, I'm not I'm not

Jessamyn 56:21 make sense? Well, but

Cortex 56:23 I mean, we need to Proust still works. Because, you know, you're, you're rhyming the major. It's a slant rhyme. But

Jessamyn 56:30 yeah, I guess Proust according to what Wikipedia says if we believe them and my ability to read IPA.

Cortex 56:40 Can you how are you on your ability to read IPA? I'm not good.

Jessamyn 56:44 i But I learned it at one point. And so I can kind of it? I know most of it. Yeah. So if it doesn't use the unfamiliar sounds, to me, I do pretty good.

Cortex 56:56 I do okay with the vowels like and that's, that's, I think, the most useful thing a lot of the time anyway. But yeah, anyway, anyway, if you haven't read, get in the ninth and herald the ninth, then the new one coming out is probably not super exciting news for you. But I'll take this as an opportunity to say hey, they're fucking great. And if you'd like a weird, funny fantasy strange series, written by someone who is like, genuinely of a contemporary generation, and seems like they hung out on Tumblr, in terms of their capacity to have contemporary rhetoric tied into a fantasy story, absolutely read because I loved it. It's great. And there's some great talk in there from folks about, among other things, the weirdness from people who read it as queer folks being like, how did anybody not get how queer this book? Yes, yes. But then again, like, isn't that pretty much always the story like, right? How did how did straight, you know, salespeople not figure out that there was something going on? Well, you know, how many. But one more thing, one more thing, and it's actually my post, but it's not like it's I'm doing a service, showing it up. Not anything I accomplished, that it's really waxy is post. Andy Bale was trying to figure out what was going on with some posts about a strange voice showing up. Oh, yeah, I

Jessamyn 58:24 saw that come across Twitter, but I didn't did. Can you cut to the chase? And let me know if they figured it out?

Cortex 58:31 I don't think that there's been an answer. So I'm sorry. Go on and go on and explain it for pizza. Yeah, there's no TLDR for what actually happened. But basically, some, the really precipitating factor is a guy named Emerson Collins, who I don't know he is, but he's some guy on Twitter, posted some video of himself sitting on flight to TikTok. He just like added together chunks of video I took during a flight where weird noises were coming over the intercom and the flight crew didn't know what was going on. And everyone was like, What the fuck is this? And it was like, weird, like wordless vocal human noises like you know, stuff like that just periodically round and throughout the site. And people are like, What the fuck is going on there? And then a couple other people like solid tours, like, oh, you know, I was on a flight, like in the last month or two. And that happened to and it's been all American Airlines flights. And no one knows what happened. Or at least no one who knows know what's happened and the

Jessamyn 59:29 noise is alarming to the people who can hear it like yeah, if you're on the plane, you're like, what is happening?

Cortex 59:35 Yeah, and it's like coming over the intercom so everyone can hear it and like it's yeah, it's it's it's bizarre. And the question is, like, how did it happen and who was responsible? And you know, is this a security issue is this is a problem someone like hacking the planes, like announcement system? Because if someone could do it to make weird, like groan noises, they could do it to announce a hijacking or something right and cause a real panic, you know,

Jessamyn 1:00:00 Although announcing a hijacking would probably wind you in jail.

Cortex 1:00:04 Oh, sure, sure. Yeah. I mean, whether or not you should, like an actual hijacking would land you in jail too. So someone who didn't want to go to the trouble of actually hijacking a plane could like, you know, try and do something a little bit on the cheap side, I suppose. Yeah, maybe. Anyway, it's fascinating. There hasn't been an answer. But there's been a bunch of theories. I enjoyed the conversation in the Metafilter thread. I enjoyed waxes ongoing cataloguing of various theories and conversations. On the blog post that I linked

Jessamyn 1:00:29 to amaze. No one's been able to figure it out, though.

Cortex 1:00:33 Yeah, well, it's, here's the thing, like the people most likely to figure it out is American Airlines, right. And American Airlines has the least incentive to like, say anything publicly once they do. Like, you know, as far as we've seen, no one else has done this since then. There hasn't been for the reports because like, now that is a thing on the internet next time it happens. Up dozen people are gonna get footage on their phones, and that's gonna be a big holy shit that happened again, and there's been nothing. There's nothing so maybe whoever was doing it, realize that, you know, it had blown up and he knew that fucking cut it out. Maybe American Airlines quietly figured out what was going on and like, fixed the problem. Maybe someone got fired? I don't know. But it is fascinating that like, no one has figured it out and talked about it. No one has found more evidence. No one's come up with like a rock solid, foolproof theory. And it's just a mystery. It's like, it's a weird.

Jessamyn 1:01:27 Like, thank you couldn't have mysteries about steal. Yeah.

Cortex 1:01:32 Yeah. It's like, it's like, it's it's like a hacking cryptid situation. Like somebody pulled something off. And no one's quite sure how or why or who. And it's just, it's there. But it's undeniably there. It happened. Like it's no good. There's no getting away from it. So it's right. Yeah. It's not a hoax. It's just what the fuck is it? Right. That that I think that concludes my tour of the last couple months of Metafilter stuff that I kept tabs on. Okay. Do you have any asked Metafilter

Jessamyn 1:02:07 stuff I talk at length about I do not even so much talking at length, or at least not most of them. But like, you know, some list generating ones that I really enjoyed this one by racer six, six. What is your favorite song covered by another band? Like I'm tired of listening to ring of fire by social distortion, though. Oh, sorry. No, they're they're not tired of that. They love that song. But they're like, kinda like that, you know? Like, like, tired of

Cortex 1:02:36 listening to their existing playlists. They just they're making something.

Jessamyn 1:02:39 Yeah. So like, what are some cool covers that are just absolutely your jam. And I guess I didn't comment in this thread. Because I like there's a lot of covers I like and I've been thinking about it. But clearly, then I just wandered off. This was the middle of August and I was oh my god packing. You know, little NAS X cover of choline is one that somebody mentioned, which was kind of kind of amazing. My Bubba and me covers peaches, fuck the pain away. Stevie Ray Vaughn does little wings, and a couple people point to stuff that's on Metafilter music, which is just cool. And there's just a there's just lots of great, lots of great listening. Similarly, and this is a thread that I thought should have gotten a lot more attention. Not last posted, like any particular topic, what video or video channel is the best at that topic. You know, so like, who talks about a thing? The best? So like, this is a real like lock picking lawyer or is the best things about lock picking or why you should be a Marxist. It points to a video city nerd gives the best quote bitty reviews of freeway intersections, unquote. And like there should be a lot more in that thread. Because I think a lot of us love watching like YouTube, vaguely explanatory things. And, and well, if you've got ideas, threads still open, you should you should go over that. Go over there. I asked a question that actually.

Sorry, I asked a question that referenced an earlier question. And I of course only linked to the earlier question. So I will link to the earlier question and then track down my question. But essentially, as you know, I am a justice of the peace and up for election this year. Again, I've been elected every two years since 2012. It's a little bit wild. And I do a lot of weddings just because I'm easy to contact. I'm happy to do weddings, I do weddings essentially for free because they are my joy. But also if somebody wants me to do a free wedding, I'll often kind of stay Ah, something together from other weddings that I've done or other things that I think are nice. I'll toss my own stuff in there. And you know, most of the time, not always, but most of the time, what people want is they want to be married. You know what I mean? They don't want to write a wedding ceremony. They want to be married, they want to be married in front of their friends and family at an event in a place that is beautiful, and then eat food with all the people they love and dance until it's late at night, right? They don't want to think about their fucking vows or like, what to say, when you put the ring on somebody's finger, like some people care, most people don't. But what I like is making a wedding ceremony a little bit sort of topical and meaningful. And I often include, like poems that I really like, but after you've done like 25 weddings, maybe you've used the autumn poem enough. You know, there's, there's one by Mary Oliver that I love, that just, you know, makes me it makes me so happy. If I'm in a certain mood, I'll just, you know, start to cry. Like last night, the rain spoke to me by Mary Oliver. And so I asked for autumn wedding poems. And I noticed as I was searching like AskMe Metafilter posting page says you should do that my friend Matthew had asked a similar question in 2009. Because he puts out a little regular thing about for the autumnal equinox, like just a little like, hey, it's autumn equinox. Here's a poem in a song and a picture of the sun rising, and it's beautiful. And so I just asked for autumn poems. I got a whole bunch of really good autumn poem advice from people. And I think I'm actually going to use the one from IRIS gamble, which is a Walt Whitman poem, which is actually a gay love poem, but I don't think the straight people I marry, know or care. And it doesn't matter, right? Why shouldn't I mean, it's like what we were talking about before, why shouldn't you get to use a poem about gay love for straight people getting married? Right? It's just about someone you love. Who cares? It's great. You know, it's not gender specific. But I know. So thank you, Iris Campbell. Thank you, everybody who gave me some good poems. I got some really good ideas. And yeah, I'm excited about

Cortex 1:07:23 that. I have a very sideways call back to another dumb internet thing. Hey, via Mary Oliver.

Jessamyn 1:07:33 Well, somebody gave me another Mary Oliver poem too, which was really cool. That was also apropos.

Cortex 1:07:39 I wonder if I can find the path this is gonna be I don't know if I think I'll just explain it but there's the you know, Mary Oliver poem, you know, where you just need to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves. Whichever one that is. Which someone quoted in reference to the Adam DeVine sexting thing oh god because like one of the one of the texts going around was like that body versus observed and they were like, Mary Oliver when they see your soft animal body you're such a perfect like, this is this is this is great a fucking tweeting bullshit. That's all. Yeah, no,

Jessamyn 1:08:23 I appreciate it. I appreciate I missed that when it happened. I had to have know your name. explain that one to me. You'd like to cite everybody?

Cortex 1:08:33 Yeah, there wasn't much to miss, but it was a good day of roofing. Yes. Yeah. And autumn poems.

Jessamyn 1:08:42 Yeah. And now that I am 54. I had some advice. Actually, I don't know if I had advice in this thread. At any rate, unicorn chaser asked a question about like, Hey, are you in older mefite Enjoying a happy, healthy, older age? They're taking care of elderly relatives who are 67 and 88. And, you know, thinking about health and, and what things sort of to pay attention to like, what, what is what can I be doing now, that will help ensure a healthy, older age? Yeah, basically, and, you know, lots of lots of good, lots of good advice from people things to think about things you can do. Just little changes you can make in your life now. That will make a difference when you're older. Yeah, it was just a really good, a really good, really good thread, and I liked it. Nice. And I think I have one more actually. All right. This thread by Lorch which is talking about how you say we don't know in your field specialty. So like if you're a doctor and you don't know, how a disease started, you say it's idiopathic. You know, if you've got an archaeological artifact, and you don't really know what it was used for, you're like, well, ritual purposes, you know, which is kind of a joke, but also maybe happens like, what are technical terms? That mean we're not really sure about the thing? You know? So like in the art world back a painter points out, you might say, attributed to meaning we're not really sure who did it, but we think this is who did it and somebody were mentioned. So the thing I often bring out, you talk about birds, you talk about lb jays, little brown jobbers. That that kind of thing. And so it's just kind of a neat thread with people talking about their specific, their specific areas, miles per flower talked about in crosswords, you put var at the end of a clue. And it says this is like a variant spelling, you know, or maybe it means this is just not spelled right. But it needs to fit in the grid kind of thing. So at any rate, it's a it's a neat thread TLS three letter acronyms. Nos not otherwise specified in psychiatric does diagnoses. flb I don't know. I didn't write reading, reading it while I'm talking to you. But it's kind of a delightful thread where a lot of metaphysical people get to talk about their specialties. And just how, how how they say, We don't know, in their specialty.

Cortex 1:11:47 Yeah, it made me wonder if anyone brought up like, you know? Well, the idea of being trivial, which was like something like, math is not my specialty, per se, but like the idea in general in math that you see people, you know, describe things as trivial, when what they mean is like, you know, we actually know this, you know, so if you're doing a proof, where you're like trying to, like, make some specific new observation, then all you need to do is like, establish that observation, and then point to something that otherwise, you know, has been ever done and say, well, it's trivial. And the trivial thing might be like a 20, page proof. That's,

Jessamyn 1:12:21 it's credibly. What it means is, we all share the knowledge that this is a thing that is no,

Cortex 1:12:25 yeah, yeah, we've all agreed that at this point, the work has been done. So this is now trivial. And so in that sense, like, you could probably describe anything, like any problem as non trivial that you just fucking don't know. Right? But I'm not sure how, like, properly, that's even lingo.

Jessamyn 1:12:42 But right. But no, I know, I know what you mean. I bring that up a lot. When people are like, Well, why don't you just recode the site and PHP, you're like, it's not a trivial problem.

Cortex 1:12:50 Like, yeah.

Jessamyn 1:12:53 I actually changed like one of the words in the footer just to test out that I knew how to do this thing. Excellent. Although, as I'm saying that,

Cortex 1:13:06 did you change it on staging? Or did you change it?

Jessamyn 1:13:08 I changed it on staging fumble, said they push it to live, and now I'm looking at it and it is not on the page that I'm looking at?

Cortex 1:13:16 Is it Oh, I understand the sub sites you're looking for. They might be I want I want to say the footer is something that fribble eventually got standardized, actually, across all sites, but I'm not going to quote anything or put anything on them there. Because like that's, we've probably talked about this before. But that's one of like the N unlikely bits of things people don't assume about the code base is that like, anything that shows up on more than one sub site probably has a very good chance of being its own copy of a similar stack of code for that sub site rather than all being built around one and boy howdy, what a decision that was.

Jessamyn 1:13:57 At some point. Yeah, no. They pushed it to live and I'm not seeing it. So I'll take it up.

Cortex 1:14:05 Yeah, could also be a thing where there was some sort of conflict in eMERGE, and it got nobody's

Jessamyn 1:14:11 nobody's messing with the footers. I just changed metal filter network incorporated to metal filter, LLC. Just just to test that I knew how to update files. So I'm not seeing it. I do see the little Unicode snowman. Let's see if we can figure it out.

Cortex 1:14:29 Yeah, and I can't find it either. Oh, I was gonna say are we? Are y'all an LLC? Now? Is that the new corporate structure with the new incorporation?

Jessamyn 1:14:40 Yeah. Were you incorporated before?

Cortex 1:14:43 Yeah, we were does it matter? I mean, it, talk to your lawyer. It doesn't particularly matter. The nature of the business structure changes some things for like, Whatever, I'm not even going to hide on it. I ultimately I don't think It probably does matter. And I think you know, if you decide it does matter, you can always reincorporate under Griffin form if you want to, but LLC uses what almost everybody does. Because if you're a small business, it's sufficient. Yeah. Yeah, that was my taxes might be slightly different than mine were, but you know, whatever. We'll figure that out next year, right? Yes.

Jessamyn 1:15:21 Yeah. That is all of my ASP Metafilter stuff. Did you have anything else you wanted to point to? The only thing I was gonna mention was the steering committee has checked in. And so there's a nice long thread about, you know, who they are, what they're doing, what's going on, etc.

Cortex 1:15:39 I might even read that at some point. Yeah. Well, you don't have to, but other people could. It's nice, right? Yeah. I think other people should read it. But ya know, yeah. I've, I've been pinged a couple times over the last, you know, while to help out with like, answering this or that question, but I've mostly been just blissfully unaware. And happy other people are doing work on this stuff. So thanks during community. Thank you, Jasmine. Thank you. Thank you, mod team. You're all great. All there was also meant to talk post about somebody buying Metafilter but there was a post about the podcast you were on with.

Jessamyn 1:16:25 Oh, right. Right. Right. I was gonna say what are you? Sorry? Yeah. Well, I just read about it in my local paper. So I don't know about Yeah,

Cortex 1:16:33 yeah. In fact, that's, I thought that was the post I was pulling up. I grabbed the wrong one. But well, not the wrong one. But yeah, well,

Jessamyn 1:16:40 cuz anyway, I only mentioned it in the paper, like on Twitter, because, yeah, you know, hey, I made my local papers. Not interesting news for Medicare. It's more interesting news. Like for me.

Cortex 1:16:52 Yeah, there was a post about this thing in your local paper, I want to say or something. I don't know. I'll find it. Anyway, yeah, that was

Jessamyn 1:17:02 that was nice. Yeah. It's been kind of neat.

Cortex 1:17:05 I've been I've been enjoying seeing little bits of like, you know, Oh, yeah. This is a thing.

Jessamyn 1:17:10 Well, and that was a particularly good interview, because Ethan Zuckerman is really like a an old internet person like myself. And so we could really, you know, really dig deep and talk about stuff and he's also a civics nerd. So the second half of the podcast was all me talking to him about civics and really not about Metafilter at all.

Cortex 1:17:32 See, here's it was a post on the blue was the other one I was thinking of. With the texts of simply meet the new boss, which I enjoyed. Yes. But yeah, that was yeah, that

Jessamyn 1:17:44 was like right after my birthday. And so I think I think I missed it entirely. And you made a funny joke about them misspelling your name, but then they fixed it. And then you deleted your comment.

Cortex 1:17:53 Yep. Exciting days here. Tried to I feel like there were a couple other things on meta filter, or on meta talk that I

Jessamyn 1:18:08 well and I have access to upload the podcast now. So you don't even have to worry about that point. What that file is so exciting that isn't it?

Cortex 1:18:17 I think I think I wanted to mention this just random this was this this is I just liked this as something that I like, glanced at the page. And I saw it was like that is that is a classic meta talk discussion. There's a discussion, zoom, but or post asking for people about their use of TFA as you know, shorthand for the fucking article to refer to an article and whether people are using that with an intention of it having the same sort of like edge and a service ism, that the classic RTF a Republican artifical assertion has or using a more neutral way, it's like, Hey, here's gonna be

Jessamyn 1:18:51 just like, yeah, just using the word fucking just for emphasis.

Cortex 1:18:54 I started classes, like, I bet this is gonna be a mix of people who have different feelings about it. And it was a mix of people who have different ends on and it's like, Yes, this is just classic, how we talk about how we talk. Yeah, I enjoy. I enjoy people having that kind of meta talkie. Let's just sort of like think about rhetoric. When there's not like stakes, it's not something that like, let's talk about this like actively marginalizing rhetoric or you know, something like that. We're like, those are good conversations to but they're harder. It's a lot more high stakes when people are disagreeing about that stuff. Whereas this is like oh, yeah, this is a thing that we variously do for some reason I don't know. So yeah, it was nice to see a little bit of that that sort of thing. I don't think I have anything else we you know we skip right past project Oh projects and jobs paying enough attention to projects so I think we're just say well, if you miss it, come back next time. But also go look at projects and jobs. Go do it.

Jessamyn 1:19:53 Yeah, there's a couple there's a couple jobs man one of them space getting needs help putting the couch together. I wish I were closer. I'm Pretty close. Oh, no, I'm not I'm confusing space kitty with kids. Forget it. I assume because this was early September, they're done.

Cortex 1:20:09 Because they're just still sitting there with the pieces just like Oh, man. I mean, honestly, I say that but then like, I just cleaned out a bunch of shit from my basement that's been sitting there for like months. So maybe, maybe it's still Yeah, it was good. It was a it was a it was a it was a dumb. It was like, it was just like a You always hope that like you'll get stuff done because like you're feeling like sort of energized and peppy and like, ah, you know what, I'm gonna get some stuff today. But sometimes you get stuffed into like, you know, fuck it, I'm gonna get some more that five. But I mostly

Jessamyn 1:20:39 get stuff done because I'm out running other terrors,

Cortex 1:20:43 you know, that can do it

Jessamyn 1:20:46 too. And I need to stay busy and not just like whatever waiting for a phone call or whatever the thing is, you know, like, like waiting for the results of my mammogram or something which came out fine. But like until you know, it's fine. You're worried.

Cortex 1:20:59 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, at the risk of just wandering off into some 10 minute fucking divergence that something else maybe we should just call a podcast and say, Hey, we did there. We got that.

Jessamyn 1:21:12 I call it a podcast. I told the guy who's putting in my window I'd be done about 415. And remarkably, we're

Cortex 1:21:17 very close to this. Yeah, we're hitting it on the fucking head.

Jessamyn 1:21:21 I appreciate you making the time as always, and I like talking to you. It

Cortex 1:21:24 is as always delight. And it's, it's yeah, it's good. It's good stuff. I like talking to you. I like talking about this. This place and I like that people like us talking about this place. Yes. I like it

Jessamyn 1:21:37 all. Yes. All right. Well, bye. Okay, goodbye.