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A transcript for Episode 181: Pivot Table the Calendar (2022-02-04).

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Jessamyn 0:00 Oh you're the black water Tiger.

Cortex 0:10 I'm the black water tiger.

Jessamyn 0:12 The year of the black water Tiger. Okay, you're the tiger.

Cortex 0:16 Oh, that's like that's a weird thing to tell me. About myself. Yes, yes. Happy Happy Lunar New Year.

Jessamyn 0:22 I mean, maybe you're the Blackwater Tiger. I don't know and Happy Black History Month in America.

Cortex 0:27 Yes. Happy happy happy non leap February. So happy. You are is over just an even solid for seven weeks. Seven day weeks? Yeah. Here we are. Welcome to the medical

Jessamyn 0:42 seven day weeks is if there's an alternative.

Cortex 0:45 Well, like normally a month is like four weeks and remainder normally Yeah, like an only February is a nice boom you just got like, you know, you're going out and about the way you came in. You know if it was Monday at the on the first that it's going to be Monday on the first again, you know, there's a hell no, I don't know why anything about Groundhog's Day is anything. That whole thing is just I'm saying it now Punxsutawney Phil is is propaganda from big weather. Nice. tell you more weather.

Jessamyn 1:21 I don't need any more weather right now. But you were you were talking about drama if I recall.

Cortex 1:26 Oh, yeah. No, like drama, drama. Like, like actual drama in high school. Yeah. My brother and I were both drama kids to degree in our respective high schools, like four years apart at different schools. Alex? Schools. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, we were four. Yeah, yes, we did. I went to the school. That was the public high school that you could get to in seven minutes that are run in the morning, if you relate. My my brother went to a school that had programs that were good for what he wants different approaches to the world.

Jessamyn 2:00 And you can sorry, I, I'm fascinated by this, because like for me, you just went to the school? Well, I mean, there was no option there was no school or you went to private school was he had private school? It was it's not a trick question. No, no,

Cortex 2:16 I'm just really it was a Catholic school. And I guess in that, like, it wasn't Yes.

Jessamyn 2:21 Insofar as money for him to go to school, the probably I

Cortex 2:25 wasn't paying attention to his like high school tuition fees. So I don't know. But I think logically speaking, it probably was a private school because I don't think it would have been part of the public school system, by definition. So yes, anyway, fascinating. Yes. And so Catholic, but yeah, they had a good drummer program and the

Jessamyn 2:43 kid went to Catholic school, we can you know, every time

Cortex 2:46 there's a lot of Catholic schools out there. Yeah, but like he acted, and when I was in drama in, in high school, I was mostly on tech crew after a couple very small, not great performances. I was like the the disapproving King Dad guy, maybe at the start of some Shakespeare play, and I completely zoned out in the middle of a performance staring at the lights. But what was what was saying before we hit record was like, you know, it's like I, I switched over to tech route because I couldn't act basically. But I think really what it is, is like whether or not I could act, I don't know if I would become like, at all remotely good of an actor. I tried to be an actor, but I never tried to be an actor. I never tried to learn about acting. Before I tried acting in plays, which I think I did. We probably talked about this, like it was anything for me with sports. I played little league baseball in fifth grade, and I played basketball in middle school in like seventh or eighth grade. And in both cases, I didn't really know how either those sports worked. I had impressions of them, but I certainly didn't know the rules and they don't teach you the rules as part of teaching, like coaching those because I think there's an assumption that like, you would just know what you're doing.

Jessamyn 4:00 Like me in soccer, and like offsides, I just never quite understood it. Yeah, you

Cortex 4:05 find out the rules when you break them and arrest yells at you about it. And you're like, I did the what now? Right? So anyway, I feel like acting in like, there was drama class, and I think to some extent drama club in high school, but like, you could also just like be involved in one of the plays that they put on every year. And if you showed up and did your thing, you're fine. So like if sharply I feel like saying lines on stage, you know, you do what you can and try out and then you get the parts you have. There's not necessarily a whole lot of you know, coaching or directing that happened in that context. Cuz I mean, yeah, it's anyway, it's interesting to look back and think of like, you know, did I not get into drama because I was bad at acting or Was I bad at acting because I've never tried to learn how to act, you know, questions like that that are interesting to consider.

Jessamyn 4:56 Well, and I hung out with the drama kids in high school too, which We'll surprise no one but like I didn't. I didn't do any acting. It was just like they were the cool, interesting kids to hang out with, you know. And also, they did a bunch of theater stuff. And there was a whole bunch of kind of like unsupervised time you could spend. Yeah. You know, in that in that way. And I wasn't into sports. So there you go.

Cortex 5:22 Yep. Anyway, this is episode 181 of the medical term monthly podcast. I am Josh cortex. Mullard. And I'm Jessamyn and here we are. It is. Feb one. One Feb.

Jessamyn 5:35 Yeah. Rabbit, rabbit.

Cortex 5:39 Rabbit. What's like, I don't remember what

Jessamyn 5:42 that's like the thing you say at the beginning of the month. It's like a good luck thing.

Cortex 5:46 Okay. I mean, I've heard it, but I've never had any context for it. So that's, that's good. Oh, see,

Jessamyn 5:50 I'm actually a person who like really tries to say it. Now see, now I'm reading. Maybe it's maybe it's a New England thing? I don't know. First day of the month people survive forever. It's a rabbit, rabbit rabbit. For God's sakes, this one those long essays where they're clearly paid by the word. All right. Like a good luck thing.

Cortex 6:20 We'll look into it. Well, yes, yes. Things and stuff metal filter month things whenever you want. Yeah, yeah. 181, which is a palindrome. So hey, that's something.

Jessamyn 6:34 Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna tell you. It is a palindrome and it's a prime. And it's a whole bunch of different kinds of primes, including a palindromic prime, which is I guess, a thing. Sure. Plus, it's just like a pleasing looking number. I think. Aesthetically, I, you know, don't care for most of the numbers, but I thought that was a nice one.

Cortex 6:52 If you draw your ones without like a clear sort of diagonal tick. I do think it's read it as like the absolute value of eight, which is also just eight. But oh, yeah. But yeah,

Jessamyn 7:05 like, it's not only a palindromic prime, but like it's, it's got rotational symmetry. You can flip it upside down if you don't do the tricks on your ones. Yeah. Huh. Pleasing. Good stuff. I can't believe we've been doing 180 podcasts.

Cortex 7:21 It's a little bit. It's a little crazy.

Jessamyn 7:24 It's always when did you come in? Oh, that's

Cortex 7:27 good question. Early ish. But yeah,

Jessamyn 7:30 I mean, I feel like you've always been here, but it occurs to me. Maybe you haven't. Yeah,

Cortex 7:33 no, there. Yeah, there was there was definitely a period before I was on the podcast. I'll do a little research here. Once you tell the folks about some jobs. Oh,

Jessamyn 7:42 sure. Thank you. I am of course ready to talk about some labs. I do have to again, thank Greg Lind for the little script that he made for me two months ago, I guess because wow, it has made my work at the Internet Archive that much better. But there's a whole bunch of like little random things after the girl needed help with some little basic sewing projects. She needs some stuff in Southern California kind of sewn straightforward. Rockin data has like a cool weird job working with the USGS water mission area integrated information dissemination division. Oh, it closed like weeks ago. Too bad because it paid really well. Cricket neighbor needs a typist. Just someone who can type up some handwritten draft, put them into Microsoft Word files, do a couple basic stuff. This is in Brooklyn. I know there are some people there. And Lincoln Square psychotherapy is looking for a nurse. Also pretty good pay in New York area and that is 100% of the jobs. I think I'm gonna make another job remind me this podcast is always where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to make a job for someone to help me with my bookless software because I needed to do three different things than the 100 things that currently does.

Cortex 9:22 I see. I was on the podcast, as of episode 34.

Jessamyn 9:30 Oh, that's right. You've been doing some research. Sorry. Yeah. Episode 34. What year was

Cortex 9:36 34 was November 2008. Circa when I started working Metafilter full time, so. But was I on it before?

Jessamyn 9:48 I feel like we had you on as a guest once.

Cortex 9:51 Yeah, yeah. It was on like, I think the second episode, as it

Jessamyn 9:55 was, I didn't really know you at that time. And I was like, Where are we having Josh on the podcast? Max like he's great. And you know, was not more specific. But yeah, you were are etc. So

Cortex 10:10 maybe it started there. Maybe it was pitching in. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know there's a starting point to add to date if possible.

Jessamyn 10:20 Right, but 2008 I mean, that's practically so long stuck in

Cortex 10:23 time. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yes. 1414 1314 years of,

Jessamyn 10:28 yeah. That's what I met Jim. Actually, that's about five months after Jim and I met and how

Cortex 10:34 much total running time of podcast we have. Early ones were a lot shorter.

Jessamyn 10:40 They were a lot shorter. Matt was

Cortex 10:42 trying to like, Ira Glass it up and like, do production and keep things tight. And I respect the hell out of that. But also, it's just not what I'm here doing.

Jessamyn 10:52 And he wasn't really

Cortex 10:54 well, like it was an attempt to be at least a little bit like he was editing

Jessamyn 10:58 was AskMe was aspirational. I think I think Matt really thought we had chance, a chance to be contenders in 2018

Cortex 11:05 level was a very different time for both podcasts and websites. I feel

Jessamyn 11:11 like audio was still around then.

Cortex 11:13 Oh, maybe God. As a name. I haven't heard in a long Beatle instead of like Guinness there fell by like my, my impression such as it is. I'm an impressionist in the sense that, you know, late 19th century painters were impression it's like the idea is that like, it doesn't really look that much like what you were expecting, you know, so my, my, my vocal impressions are similarly, you know, very abstract.

Jessamyn 11:46 Maybe you just have a cold, Josh.

Cortex 11:48 Maybe now. It's a little fly me something. I apologize for the the harrumphing and whatnot. Let's see if I can deliberately clear it more effectively. There we go. All right. Well, I looked that thing up. You talked about jobs, shall we talk about projects? Sure.

Jessamyn 12:08 I did a project this month. I'm really you know, I'm really a big dog fooding fan, as you know, and I try to use as many parts of the site as there are. And it occurred to me sometime couple weeks ago, that you remember back when I want a year supply of cheese? Yes. Yeah. Well, it wrapped up, I received my last box of cheese, probably weeks before the pandemic started in earnest. And kind of weeks after we knew something was going on, and it wasn't going to be great. And so I had been keeping this little journal and like writing down my funny cheese, anecdotes, and blah, blah, blah. And then like the pandemic started, and I essentially just forgot the whole thing, you know, and somebody reminded me of it, and I was like, oh, right, I should probably wrap that up. Like, that was a good piece of writing. And so I wrapped it up, and I put it on projects and got a lot of, you know, more people say and stuff about it, which was fun. And, yeah, I liked it. Nice. Yeah. I was happy to get to make use of projects. It's always nice when people pop in, and they're like, hey, hey, hey.

Cortex 13:19 Yeah, I gotta I gotta post some stuff I've been. I've been having a lot of things that Oh, I should put that on projects. And then, like, you know, somehow not doing it. Yeah. Wasn't

Jessamyn 13:27 there something?

Cortex 13:29 I'm sure there was. There's probably some things. Oh,

Jessamyn 13:31 you were working on something?

Cortex 13:34 I Yeah. Oh, you know, I was working on that Tarkov pacifist collective project. What? That? Well, maybe I'll make a project post about a week. Maybe I did make a project post about that. I don't remember. I might have anyway. Yeah. So I'll make a project post. That's, that's what I'm saying sometime this week, I will make a project post. Sounds great. back on that horse. All right, what else?

Jessamyn 13:58 I would also like to talk about the ship that I never know how to pronounce because I've only got it by reading. Is that how you say it?

Cortex 14:08 That's how they say of the show. So

Jessamyn 14:10 Oh, see, I haven't watched the show. Okay. RACHEL faith, made their partner a scale model of the ship, got it 3d printed by a guy on Etsy. And basically, did a did a whole little thing. And it's a cute little blog post that's just got a ton of pictures. And it's fun, if you kind of are into, you know, building in modelmaking and whatever. It's just a set of images on imager and mucker and mature. Just kind of showing how they how they put the whole thing together and it's really neat. I loved it.

Cortex 14:52 Nice. Yeah, no, I took a glance. Okay. Yeah, it's the Rossi.

Jessamyn 14:57 Yeah, as someone who didn't watch the show, but just finished all the books? Yeah, it was just I don't know, kind of nice to be in that it's just

Cortex 15:04 finished the Fifth Third. I'm slowly making my way through them as holds come in from the library.

Jessamyn 15:11 And have you watched the show? Yeah, I've seen all the show. You don't steal books from the internet? No,

Cortex 15:17 I don't read enough that need to like that's been. I've been I've read more power.

Jessamyn 15:23 That's actually the ethical answer. I just always curious when internet people don't steal books from the internet.

Cortex 15:29 Yeah, no, it's I have read more books in the last like, month and a half since I got the Kindle. Like it was late last year. I think we talked about that. That I had probably in the like, year before. So

Jessamyn 15:44 yeah, so you borrow books from the library using Libby?

Cortex 15:47 Yeah, yeah, that's what I've been doing. That's been working nice.

Jessamyn 15:50 I got a very nice email actually, from the people who are developers on Libby, because they came out with this, like big blog post last month, like, Hey, look at all these accessibility features. And I was like, well, that's cool that it's finally accessible. But you know, in my little newsletter, I was like, but come on, guys. Really? Did it take you this long to do like X, Y, and Z. And I got an email from the developers being like, we've had XY and Z for a while, but the marketers kind of fucked up the announcement, like, you know, they were like, look, there's certain accessibility things we really should have had in there earlier. And that's on us. But these other things have been there, you know, for years, but the marketing people don't know anything about anything. So just wanted to set the record straight. Because I was like, you know, I have some blind friends who basically are like, ah, Libby, so aggravating for us. And he's like, feel free to give them my email. So if you are somebody who is print disabled and has bones to pick with Libby, because it's not working for you, I've got an email of a guy who would be happy to talk to you. But yeah, no great tool.

Cortex 17:02 See, I liked in the spirit of sort of like, your yearly book lists, CRO brain did a project post of the 885 films they saw,

Jessamyn 17:13 I know what the hell that's like two films a day. That is

Cortex 17:17 that's that's so many. But then I think about how many hours a day I might spend playing video games. It's like, okay, well, if the thing that I did was movies, that'd be right. Totally plausible.

Jessamyn 17:32 Yeah, I mean, because I definitely, like keep track of all the movies I see. But I'd see you know, Max, probably one a week.

Cortex 17:39 Yeah, I don't like I watch a lot of TV. But I don't watch that many movies. Like it's like, every every other week or so I think maybe we'll end up watching a movie. And otherwise, it's, you know, two hours of television.

Jessamyn 17:53 Hey, no shame in it, like, whatever. I mean, especially in the wintertime, right? We just watched Jim and I just watched a documentary called herb and Dorothy about these, like, people who live in a tiny apartment in New York, and they wound up collecting one of the biggest contemporary art collections in their tiny apartment. Like she's a librarian, he worked at the post office, they lived on her salary and spent all his money on art. And by the end of it, they had this collection of like, 5000 pieces that they gifted to the National Gallery. And yeah, it was kind of a neat movie highly recommended. Also, because we've watched a lot of movies where the central character is some dude, and I'm like, Jim, we need to watch a movie that has a woman in it. He's like, What about the sparks documentary? And I'm like, Are they women? No.

Cortex 18:53 There were women in the movie that I most recently watched the other night we watched. There's a new Resident Evil movie. It's not good, but it's very doting Lee fan service in terms of like set design and costume design. So you know, they definitely very thoroughly attempted to film key scenes from Resident Evil One and two. And the dialogue is all shitty, which is kind of appropriate to the game, which historically has had shitty dialogue. It's interesting. The movie doesn't quite get the right tone of being shitty. But it's like at least comparably awkward right now, I guess. You know, the acting was real good, which they got Neal McDonough and Donal Logue are both in it. Who are two guys who like I like watching and stuff because they are fun to watch even though some of the stuff they're in is not very good. People will of course remember Neil Dunn as the the main bad guy and Paul Blart Mall Cop to speaking of taking good roles and don't alone you know classically blame And then also as himself as a vampire in a recent season of what we do the shadows because he got into the whole vampire thing after filming late. Anyway, it's not good, but if you'd like Resident Evil a lot, you will probably sit through it like I did.

Jessamyn 20:16 Yeah, well in girl brain has like a big sort of conversation about like, Why? Why he watches all these movies and kind of what ones they were and where they got them from which I was really like, how do you even watch that many, like good movies, but I guess they saw them on camera, Taz, which is one of those like streaming sites? And who knows where this stuff comes from? Yeah. Which I hadn't heard about, but seems to work. And, yeah, really interesting. I keep track of my movies, but it's just the name of the movie and a little star indicator next to it.

Cortex 20:53 So I can't be bothered to read stuff. I sort of realized at some point, like just writing something to always read, it felt like, I didn't get a reward from it somehow. Yeah.

Jessamyn 21:02 I think for me, it's just, it's just kind of keeping track of what I kind of thought was good. And what I kind of thought was bad. So somebody can be like, That movie you watch two years ago, and I was like, kinda good, or not very good. Or, you know, the best or did not finish or never do not finish. I think I've only had like two movies in the last like five years that I haven't finished.

Cortex 21:31 There was a little bit of conversation about walking out and movies in the recent or second one was recent free thread.

Jessamyn 21:40 Oh, I think.

Cortex 21:42 Yeah, that was just people talking about. Yeah, movies, and also to some extent books and plays. There's some fun stuff in there.

Jessamyn 21:49 Maybe the free third was the free thread, the latest free thread indicated by the free thread before because I thought I'd been keeping up with them.

Cortex 21:56 Oh, you know, I'm not I'm not sure I've was crosslinking them. I should do that. Oh, I'll I need to post one for this week. So I'll do that. sometime between now and later.

Jessamyn 22:07 Great. That sounds good. I really liked Kaboo, too, did a bird song audio separation. So like you've got a soundscape recording? And you want to get the bird songs out of it. So you can figure out what's a bird? And basically, they did like a sip on frickin humidifier is like you're turning into a raisin? I told you no. Okay. And so you can you can try it, you can train a machine, you can still hear me right? To like, pull out the birdsong so that you can identify them. And they wrote a paper and the models on GitHub, and there's a whole bunch of examples. And it's just really cool. They're working with California Academy of Sciences. And yeah, just wow,

Cortex 23:02 wow. There's been a lot of progress in the last, like 1015 years and some of that sort of algorithmic audio filtering. In a way that wasn't doable traditionally. But now that we can make computers do a bunch of really hard work on it can be better, which is cool.

Jessamyn 23:21 Yeah. Did you see like on Twitter that we trained in AI to draw birds based on pictures of birds? And so they made all sorts of weird birds.

Cortex 23:32 Oh, nice. I did not see that.

Jessamyn 23:33 All right, if I can find it. Maybe I'll post it on Metafilter because I saw it and you know, the birds are like simultaneously like they look bird alike. But they're also horror shows and yeah, whatever the uncanny valley for birds is,

Cortex 23:47 which is yeah, like, but like, that's the real, that's the aesthetic strength that this ship has for it. And like you know, I appreciate that like Cronenberg, Ian, like horror slurries are, you know, having a day in the AI world? I also appreciated rusty Brooks's.

Jessamyn 24:12 Yes, I was just gonna talk about

Cortex 24:14 this. A team play we will clone we'll talk about it.

Jessamyn 24:18 Well, I mean, here's the thing about Wordle. Right, like, you can't copyright gameplay, but you can you know, copyright names and stuff. And so word all as probably everybody knows, just got sold to the New York Times for a million dollars or whatever. But like, you know, depends how much you hate the New York Times whether you want to just go over to the New York Times and play it there because they're gonna make it free and keep your streaks and a whole bunch of things. Or you can just kind of reverse engineer Wordle and make it have different rules and you can play with other people and have leaderboards and leave comments and blah, blah, blah and that's what rescue Brooks put together. Yeah. So there's a metal filter League, and you get invited if you want.

Cortex 25:08 I'll think about it.

Jessamyn 25:10 Yeah, I mean, I don't play Wordle qua Wordle I found some place that just archives Old World Games. Yeah. Plays those.

Cortex 25:20 Lots of funny like, yeah, it's like you can you can just like arbitrarily extract the next like five years of,

Jessamyn 25:27 I just found that out that it's just in a JavaScript file, LinkedIn, main JavaScript file. Yeah. main file.

Cortex 25:35 I was thinking about messing with some like frequency analysis stuff and like playing with like creating like a network of linked words by commonality and doing some computer science fun with it. Oh, yeah. And I didn't get around to actually doing that, because I didn't realize

Jessamyn 25:52 the optimal starter word. Well, I'd beyond that,

Cortex 25:55 like, the thing that I was interested, like, like, that is one thing you could definitely do is like rank words by like, or sets of starter words, especially. But I was thinking about the idea of like, what if you took a wordle diagram that someone posted of their game, and then you had to come up with candidate sets of words to represent what were their guesses? Yeah. So like building backwards by traversing upward a graph of connected things. And I think, in probably almost every case, there would be a wide variety of potential solutions, like probably a unreasonably large number of like, different possible paths that it could have gone getting more specific, because it gets towards the bottom, like, you know, you're playing the game. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, assuming you're playing in a rational way, we can make certain assumptions about you know, the player and work from there, but it would have been a bunch of work to do that. Wasn't really feeling it so much as hoping someone else would so but there's been so much like Wordle gouffre, that I feel like someone out there probably has, like there's some of that work must have been done by observable. This is the adversarial Wordle that someone made where whenever you make a guess it comes up with a word that isn't the one you guessed. Even if your guests might have otherwise been the word, it find some other word that technically, is the current state of things. And so it can go on for a while. Yeah. Like I've seen like 22 guests rounds of that, because, you know, someone got in some little tar pit where there's five different words that like, spell the same as house mouse, Laos, etc. And you keep guessing the first letter it says, nope, wasn't that one.

Jessamyn 27:36 Right? You're like, maybe it had been? Yes, yes. I like it. Well, at any rate, I you know, I love kind of goofy word puzzles. And so this has been fun. I mean, you know, I haven't loved it, just how it's taken over my social media a little bit. But yeah, once I found that, like word list hidden in the JavaScript file, I like ping the Indy bio, and was like, everybody knows this, right? Like, I didn't just discover something, right? He's like, Yeah, no, they, they that's, that's that fucko who made that twitter bot where every time you posted your Wordle score, it would basically post tomorrow's word for you.

Cortex 28:16 Jesus,

Jessamyn 28:17 and they banned that. I was like, Thanks, Sandy. And I love having just like, you know, internet, pulse historian guy available to answer questions like that. Yeah. Which of course he totally is. And that was cool.

Cortex 28:31 Yep. One other I'm gonna mention real quick, I've even had a chance to look through it. But somebody posted a 25th anniversary of Final Fantasy seven zine that they were involved in. That afternoon. Final Fantasy is a long running game series. Final Fantasy seven in particular, was a landmark entry in the series for the PlayStation One. It was the first time the game went into 3d. And it was very like ambitious in a lot of ways and also had a huge like development where like two thirds to the game one of your main party members can get actually killed for real actually does get killed for real as a plot thing. And all of a sudden, if you've been living leveling her as like, maybe your main healer and combat mage the entire game, you're like, well, that sucks.

Jessamyn 29:19 So they just killed the lady character.

Cortex 29:22 Yeah, I mean, she wasn't the only lady character but like I would say also, if we're going to analyze like the problematic aspects of Final Fantasy Kip sevens characterization, the fact that the character that killed off was a woman is like, probably low on the list. It was very late 90s Japanese Tropi writing in a lot of ways. I think the among the three most famous things about Final Fantasy seven are just going to pick three landmark cultural reference from it is Aerith gets killed. Sephiroth has a big Catana and he turns into like a biblical Angel. And also Tifa Lockhart has big old boobs like that's it That's yeah. And there's also clouds of moody, pretty boy with spiky blond hair and a giant sword. You know, it's. But anyway, it was, it's weird because like, it's one of those games, it feels like kind of like a Star Wars insofar as there's a lot to like about it. And it I was there when it was new and like it personally a little bit meaningful for me for random, like college era life reasons. But it's also just kind of a video game has its problems. And like, you know, it's a weird thing to become like the landmark, but it did like this sort of launched the Final Fantasy series into a new era. And it's still going like, Final Fantasy 15 was their big reason. One, they've been running Final Fantasy 14 as an MMO for like, 10 years now. And it's been very successful. It's been so successful that they put out some new content for it recently. And they had to stop letting people buy the game because they couldn't like keep up with a server demand, which is a weird problem to have sort of move.

Jessamyn 30:55 I mean, I have questions. Yeah. I know.

Cortex 30:59 Yeah. But Final Fantasy seven was like, it had become this landmark. And people talked for years about how you should, you know, square should remake it. And there's been, I think, probably several aborted like projects to remake at that they just every time they're like, oh, no, this ain't it. And so they finally put out remake in the last year or so that like takes the first that takes the game and actually the first chunk of that game and turns it into like a 3040 hour game, and expands on all these really quick passing techspace conversations into side quests where you get to know the various characters and whatnot. And it's interesting. But anyway, it's, it's, it's a very Final Fantasy seven moments, you know, and so the 25th anniversary, as the ending here from somebody I am curious to poke into and and see what they got up to.

Jessamyn 31:47 That's cool. Yeah, it's, um, you know, you look at the cast of characters. They had like putting the whole thing together. It's a huge project.

Cortex 31:55 Yeah, a bunch of people. Yeah. Yeah. And there's other stuff on projects. If we've been going for like, a half an hour, we should probably move on to the main site, but put yourself on projects. And, you know, go see people's projects and stuff.

Jessamyn 32:10 Yeah, whatever it is, we're interested in it. You put a little thing together, have some other people look at it. It's fun.

Cortex 32:16 It's a good time. Shall we discuss Metafilter? Proper? Sure. All right. Let's do it.

Jessamyn 32:24 Lots of people have died

Cortex 32:30 go to a few different directions

Jessamyn 32:31 to end on that. That's what we usually do. And it sucks.

Cortex 32:35 No, no, that's fine. No, right out the gate is a much better way to set the energy. Yeah,

Jessamyn 32:39 um, you know, in many ways, but you know, celebrity deaths have been, they appear to be accelerating. Sometimes they appear to be accelerating, and Bob Saget died. And I made a post about Bob Saget because he was a really neat guy, a very filthy comedian, which always was an interesting juxtaposition with his America's Funniest Home Videos. And Full House Full House full house. Danny has Yeah, his sister died of scleroderma and he was a big fundraiser for that. And I had just seen him interviewed on Kevin Hart's podcast and you know, taken too soon sucked. But I think lots of people got to kind of reacquaint themselves with him and his thing and that was cool yeah, there was a thread people can be sorry about it. I didn't look if there was a Howard hesseman

Cortex 33:43 thinks there was

Jessamyn 33:45 Wk rip Oh no.

Cortex 33:50 That's that's good

Jessamyn 33:55 it's a very it's a very well written open thread otherwise

Cortex 34:02 that that title is amazing. That's Oh, that's I'm here for it.

Jessamyn 34:08 Yeah, and I was always like a huge fan like ARP and after k RP basically.

Cortex 34:16 I know of him like I didn't really watch Wk RP I was like a little bit young I think to care while we're still like actively on the air and then didn't catch it really in syndication like I know of it but mostly mostly that Turkey episode.

Jessamyn 34:33 Can you do me a favor and look at this care RP thing and tell me why the deleted comment was deleted.

Cortex 34:38 I will take a look. Live Live Live moderation discussion. But I don't know. I'm taking a look but do do doo doo doo doo, doo. I'll have to check back later. I don't know. I don't have a context on it. So. Okay, I would I would guess probably a request from League ometer

Jessamyn 35:02 Yeah, I just I saw no reason why it would be deleted. And so I was always really curious. One terapy was one of those really interesting shows, we've talked about this in the past where, you know, it was on TV when people of a certain age were watching a lot of TV. And but then it didn't quite go into syndication like the same. It wasn't the same show. Because of all the music licensing. Like when I watched it, there was a whole bunch of like rock and roll going on while the show was going on. Because they had licensed to play all this music, but then when they released the DVDs, it couldn't have the same songs. So do it. And it didn't it didn't have the same vibe in

Cortex 35:46 that way. Music Licensing Hell, yeah.

Jessamyn 35:52 But yeah, husband, lovely, sorry. And those are my those are my two obit threads. Oh, you can always follow the obit tag.

Cortex 36:03 And then you would probably also find your way to the fact that meatloaf died. Yes. Which was an interesting thread because like, beloved dude, who managed to mostly not stink up his own situation, but it turns out like if you were paying enough attention, he was Trumpy dude and an anti Vaxxer and then died of COVID 19 After being fully gern about vaccinations and masks and such. So not a great, not a great finish. But there's all the stuff he did in the decades prior that like people enjoyed talking about and yeah, I commented a little bit about like my high school history and listening to bat out of hell to again. But yeah, that's a that's a very meatloaf and Jim's diamond is such a weird, specific chunk of pop music history that the Yeah, it's definitely like, it's a notable thing to be gone. All aside.

Jessamyn 37:05 Right, right. Right, right. Yeah, and I think a lot of people then kind of learned about him again, when Fight Club came out specifically. Because like, you know, he did a bunch of music, but then he was, you know, moved to acting a little bit. And that was its own interesting thing. Yeah. Yeah, see, I hope we reached the end of, you know, fuckos, who say COVID is a hoax who die of COVID. Like,

Cortex 37:36 yeah, it's not an irony. I'm excited to have a chance to celebrate, like,

Jessamyn 37:41 Saxon, I feel sad. I wish people had better information that they believed in could work on.

Cortex 37:51 Let's see, there was a post just the other day about a chain stitch sewing machine from 1876. Why I was by Medicare free. It's a video by a woman named Bernadette banner who does historical think costuming and, you know, fashion textile stuff. I was not familiar with her. So the first thing I saw, but it's just a nice 17 minutes are like going through this machine and poking into pieces and

Jessamyn 38:23 unboxing Can you give me any more context for that, like, downed an old?

Cortex 38:30 Someone Someone mailed it to her? Oh, that's what happened. Like, because someone who like follows the thing was like, oh, you know, I've got this available and sent it from Australia. I think she said, Oh, wow. So yeah, she's just like, you know, takes a bubble wrap off it and looks at it. It's not like a novela unboxing video or anything. I guess I have a bad attitude about like actual straight face unboxing videos, and maybe that's me just being kind of a judgy jerk about them. But I associate them with people like being really fucking excited about buying something that's really expensive, just because they insisted on buying it immediately. And like, this is content. I don't know, right?

Jessamyn 39:03 I'm there with you. Yeah,

Cortex 39:05 but this is not that. It's just somebody who knows about sewing machines talking about sewing machines and using a sewing machine a little bit like this. Let's try this setting and see what happens on Hey, check that out.

Jessamyn 39:14 Cool. The chain stitch, as these wing explains is like when you have like a big bag of oats. Although for me, it's not a bag of oats, it's bag of birdseed, you'll notice there's no bird feeder report today. And that's because the fucking window feeder fell off the window because it was a cold be squirrels. And so I brought it inside to warm it up so the little suction cups will stick but for now no birds, but I do buy bird seed and 40 pound bags and they do have a chain stitch across the top of them, which makes them easier to open. All right. I also enjoyed this post by brainwaves which is about wiki trivia game. You get Like little cards that represent historical events and you have to put them in order and it's maddeningly hard. If you don't know when anything happened,

Cortex 40:10 I should go poke at that there's, there's a game from a few years ago, sort of Cards Against Humanity, but not shitty. That genre of games people started making after everybody kind of got tired of being edgy with Cards Against Humanity, right? So people started making ones were like, what if we had something going on those with other than, you know, saying big penis. And meta game was one of those that picked up at XOXO. They're sort of like game thing several years ago. And it's like a similar sort of thing. Like, you can sort of like, play sort of a Cards Against Humanity, kind of, like completing sentences or making that just saying, but it also has, like, everything in the game has some sort of date or event or time implied attached to it. So like, you know, the Treaty of Versailles or, you know, television. Sure. And you could play it like that, like everybody would draw how to cards and, or, or everyone to turn up a card and like, have to place it in the timeline. And if they were correct, they gotta keep playing. If not, they were like out for the round, and you go until, you know, one person's left. So same, same, same sort of idea. But using Wikipedia seems like a great way to not have to manufacture the cards or limit the size of the deck so. So yeah,

Jessamyn 41:24 yeah, and I'm like, the tortuously terrible at that kind of thing. And it would be good if I were better at that for trivia and other reasons. And so yeah, I, I looked at people playing this. And I was like, I don't know when any of that happened. Like, like, I need it. I need a really simple you know, how Wikipedia has the simple English version of Wikipedia. I actually went to read the simple English article on NF t's just so I could not lose my mind. Because I was trying to explain to somebody what they were and veto all the explanations are themselves suspect, but the simple English version is pretty good. And I need like a simple English version of this game, where I just have to put the stuff in the right century. You know, like, yeah, cars, what century I'm like, Ah, like, I know, some of that I'm reading a book now on the history of telescopes. And nice, yeah. Do you know what century we got the first telescope?

Cortex 42:27 Um, well, I want to say Galileo was using a telescope. And I want to say Galileo was like, plus or minus 1500. And that's about as the out throw it, throw it the 100 year error bar on that. And I feel semi confident.

Jessamyn 42:44 Yeah, no, you're basically right. Galileo was definitely the first, like, publicized heavily publicized user of a telescope. He was using it mostly in the early 1600s. There's no documented cases of people using telescopes in the 1500s that people view as credible. But they think like the technology was moving in that direction. And then the early 1600s was when, you know, people really started seeing, like, illustrations of them and stuff like that. And, you know, this is good for me, because telling you this makes it more likely I am going to remember this tiny piece of information and the book itself, it's called stargazer. And it's actually really interesting. If you like, that kind of thing. So yeah, but yeah, century, I just need to know what century things happened.

Cortex 43:33 Yeah, you know, this is this is prompted me to, like reckon once again, as I have many times with the fact that like, my knowledge of like, the timing of events in like, the previous millennium, like gets pretty oh my god, yeah, it wasn't 120 years ago, because of the problem of, even if I do maybe sort of remember a century or a year, I don't remember which, so like Galileo? 1600. So the 17th century, okay,

Jessamyn 44:04 I can't even Don't even start with 17.

Cortex 44:08 That's yeah, it's like,

Jessamyn 44:09 why did we ever do that?

Cortex 44:13 I don't know. I mean, it's technically correct. But like, what is it every time? Have we talked about indexing from zero in programming languages before? Like, the very brief version is like, there are concepts of arrays of numbers or lists of things. That you know, each one has a number, like, you know, this is number one, this number two, that's number three, except for in most programming language. It's just this is number zero. This is number one, this number two, this number three is less than the actual

Jessamyn 44:41 with Yeah, all right. Yeah.

Cortex 44:43 That's it. It's just it's a similar phenomenon, like you'd like it's perfectly natural if you get used to it and there's a justification for it. That makes perfect sense. But set those two things it says like Why the fuck are we doing this? This is terrible. But then everyone's while I use a programming language that does in fact index from one Just just as valid of a thing to do, and it fucks me up constantly

Jessamyn 45:04 tell the programmers who use multiple languages because you have to know if your language indexes from zero or indexes from while

Cortex 45:11 you do now it's this is close to a consensus decision. Like the only one that I know offhand. That index is from one that I've used is Lua, which is a scripting language. And it's used in different contexts than like things like C or Perl tech usually would have been so it's not much of Ruby as index from zero is the standard thing. And every once awhile, there's an application where it's like, it's poorly fit. But like, it's, it's a weird, it's a weird fucking move to create your new programming language and say, You know what, let's index from one. Let's do that. It's a it's a real, it's a decision. Yes. At that point. Yeah. Anyway, that's the problem with centuries is their fucking like, right? It's an off by one error, because of like, you know, its index from the start of the century. And I think you

Jessamyn 46:03 and I have talked about this. You know, I, like Jim and I have been together almost 14 years, right. Or, or it'll be our forte, we met in 2008. Right, right. And so 2022 is our 14th anniversary, sort of, but like it's our 13th anniversary, because zero was actually when we met. You know what I mean? Like, that wasn't an anniversary?

Cortex 46:30 No, but that would make it your 14. Because, like, if it's if it's let's see what, man

Jessamyn 46:38 1718 1920 2022 Oh, you're right. So we've been together 15 years? Yeah, no. Yes.

Cortex 46:47 You know, you've been together. If you got together sometime in 2008. You've been together going on 14 years. And the day that it will be exactly 14 years will be your 40th anniversary. So your first anniversary was exactly one year after you've met obviously. And it just Yeah. And then at that point, you've been together for a year. But I don't know if we're talking about rounding like,

Jessamyn 47:09 no, no, no, that's right. I don't know why I get hung up on that then. Because that makes sense.

Cortex 47:14 There's because the fucking century thing I tell you, it's a big whammy that I was like, Oh, if I write the first century, right, that's starts at zero.

Jessamyn 47:23 Right? Well, unlike your first birthday, when you're already a year old.

Cortex 47:28 Yeah, same thing. I think basically, it's the same weird sort of, kind of, it's fine post rule, but it's not the same because like, it would be like if you were one year old, when you already knew the day you were born until your first birthday. Like that's what we do with centuries.

Jessamyn 47:42 So sorry, everybody. Yeah,

Cortex 47:44 this is the way you are gonna get it. You know, you know, a fun post. I liked just a wee little thing. From we Libyan is a brief history of wind fuckers, which is lots of brief history of the fact that kestrels were also known at times as wind fuckers or fuck winds. Really? Yes. And that's that's the whole thing. It's this month. Yep. That's your bird content. It's your bird. Fuck when I love it, yeah, that's all graceful thing.

Jessamyn 48:21 I love it. Well, and I enjoyed, or, you know, whatever is the word read with interest, when you don't particularly enjoy a thing, or whatever, Will's post about labor officials who spent some time bartending in Texas, and can basically talk about what the real, why there's really a labor shortage. You know, it's it's basically an essay about what's really going on. And you know, how little the people who talk about business, really understand it, and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So the thread is interesting. The post itself is really interesting essay. And, you know, learning other people's learning what other people's experiences are, as Russell Wong says, is a really good way to understand at least that niche, sort of what's going on in the workplace. And, you know, we were talking about this, I was talking about this with some librarians online, that like, you know, there, I have a lot of friends who have jobs that they're actually fairly secure and fairly happy with. But you know, they occasionally get, like recruitment offers from other places, and they're like, these jobs are paying less and are worse jobs than they were like, even five years ago. Like, why why would I be looking for a lateral move? If I'm happy with my job and you know, people who are really looking for jobs and scrambling at least there's jobs available, but like, man, they're just not great. Like I would have thought in the middle of a pandemic like workplaces would have to be more flexible to keep people wanting to work there, you know, like paying more or allowing more work from home or whatever. And I feel like in most parts of industries, we're seeing the opposite. You know what I mean? Like there have been no work from home library jobs that are showing up, even though you would totally expect them to be. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's, it's odd. It's very odd.

Cortex 50:30 So I Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, I could rant or I could mention this other post that I like, which is the literature clock, which is a post that also will be made. I'm digging Olympians posts this month, barely. But the literary clock tells I suppose. Oh, nice. I

Jessamyn 50:56 just clicked on it. I mean, if you click on it, do you get a Douglas Adams?

Cortex 51:00 I got I got a Raymond Chandler quote,

Jessamyn 51:02 I got kicked a hornet's nest.

Cortex 51:04 I think there's probably a lot of a lot of lot of clutter of multiple possible quotes around the hour, the literary clock, basically, whatever time it is, when you visit it will pull a quote from a piece of, you know, literature, or a book, let's say, and not get fucking fussy about it. I don't wanna like it. Oh, well, no, that would mean there. That's not literature.

Jessamyn 51:26 I never understood. I feel like this is what I want. A meta talk. Like I've loved the open meta talk threads. And I would really like one for like, what's the thing that everybody else seems to understand and is completely confusing to you? Because, like, the whole cons, I just thought literature were fucking books, but it's, it means something specific. Right?

Cortex 51:49 Well, it's like art and art. You know, like, I think it's a similar sort of thing. Like, you know, there's there's the useful general classification and then there's do we really want to get in the fucking swamp of people who have opinions if we get in

Jessamyn 52:00 the swamp is like, just let's just say we're in the swamp.

Cortex 52:05 Okay. I'm gonna swap help. I can't swim. Oh, it's not a deep. Oh, no, there's there's fucking leeches here.

Jessamyn 52:14 But, like, if we were there, literature just means kind of writing about writing. Right.

Cortex 52:22 Now literature is

Jessamyn 52:23 shooting, right. Hi.

Cortex 52:26 Yeah, it's sort of like upper register. Real writing, non genre non schlocky, you know, the stuff the stuff that like someone who writes literature is serious about writing as an art and about the education of meaning and feelings. And you know, they're really, it's not just, it's not just some of its Yeah,

Jessamyn 52:48 novels. Yeah, it's always fiction that can be either I'm sorry to interrogate you about

Cortex 52:54 this. I would think of literature as primarily, like fiction, but I don't know that I would necessarily, I don't know if I would say it's like, strictly fiction, like, I suppose. I mean, academic literature, but that at that point, we're getting to a more general and specific use at the same time. Yeah, I guess I think of literature as like, the classics, and like the Western canon and people, stuff that people from fucking St. John's won't shut up about. St. John, like, Johnny's Willard college. I don't know.

Jessamyn 53:28 Is that the place from Florida?

Cortex 53:30 I don't know. I only know about it from people on the internet who won't stop talking about it, basically. Which is I'm being very mean. And I

Jessamyn 53:36 didn't mean to put you on that. I didn't mean to put you on the spot, either. But like, you know, it's

Cortex 53:40 yeah, it's it's, it's people who have never actually had to worry about where they're going to get their next meal. fussy judgments about sort of writing. But it's definitely not Stephen King. You know, it's it's definitely not I do like him. Genre literature of any sorts. And I don't know, I would be curious to hear people who are more into that, because I definitely have this bone outside. Oh, fuck your literary pretentions? Yeah. opinion about it. And like, I relate it pretty directly to the idea of how people feel about art as like, a general thing and art as a thing that you have to decide whether or not it's really art and whether someone's really making art and blah, blah, blah. And I think there's a similar sort of dynamic there, even if it plays out in slightly different ways because of the different media. Yeah,

Jessamyn 54:31 yeah. It's always confused me, that would be my idea for a meta talk.

Cortex 54:35 I like it. I'm gonna forget. So you should send us an email. We'll add it to that.

Jessamyn 54:40 I'll be happy to thank you very much for including whatever my last one was, Oh, yeah. Comfort stuff. I enjoyed that. I was very happy to have a little Jeopardy thread. Jeopardy. When Amy finally lost Amy, who is a part of learned lead loss to a Chicago librarian who is Ah, and then he only he only won that one show. I think he won one more show. Maybe I'm not even sure if he did. I'm not a regular Jeopardy watcher, but like, up with Jeopardy culture a little bit. And yeah, yeah, she had a great run. She was a class act on Twitter when a whole bunch of people decided to go after her for idiot. transphobic reasons. And it was just really cool to watch that whole thing happen.

Cortex 55:27 Yeah. Yeah, no, I have not. I don't really follow Jeopardy at all. But like, I have enough people who are Jeopardy people in my general atmosphere that like,

Jessamyn 55:40 well, she was such a phenom, to you know, highest earning woman on Jeopardy. Just so cool.

Cortex 55:48 My streak I think, oh, cheese I just saw. Like, I just remembered a TikTok I saw last night that was taking

Jessamyn 55:59 answers doing with your time.

Cortex 56:02 Oh, and playing Icarus. There was a TikTok that someone like took a bunch of answers from Jeopardy from recent stuff, including Amy and cut that against them. Just telling a simple story and the people on Jeopardy not knowing what basic things are like. So I was going for a walk the other day and you know, cuts to me saying what is a walk? You know, like you would go with your feet with your feet and then another person will be like, what is feet? Thank you. That was a funny thing that I watched that I'm telling you about afterwards.

Jessamyn 56:40 That's fine. I like hearing people talk about funny stuff, so I don't have to watch it.

Cortex 56:44 Well, here's the funny thing for you crypto land. Bring it back to the NFT stuff we were talking about. So I did this was this is January 5, which feels forever ago there was a big announcement of crypto land and upcoming project to purchase a island off of Fiji and turn it into a cryptocurrency paradise. And

Jessamyn 57:08 what's it mean to be a cryptocurrency paradise?

Cortex 57:11 i Those two will

Jessamyn 57:13 go together.

Cortex 57:14 They do if you believe they will, I think the original so the original video in the post is down but there's like copies everywhere because you just can't get away with that. It was it was dumb. Think fire festival but like less planning and more crypto is the vibe. But like it was just a shitty, big magical thinking like either?

Jessamyn 57:38 Or was it the whole time?

Cortex 57:40 Oh, no, it was it was it was a bad idea. Like at the farthest outside, it could have been like a joke that they were willing to let people take serious and pay them millions of dollars for but seems like stuff like that. Yeah, they're trying to sell basically lots of land via one of the NFT collections and blah, blah, blah. The whole thing cratered and got mocked mercilessly. And I just found that amusing. And if you like terrible cringe worthy pitches for things that are difficult exist, then it's for you. And if not, then just don't Yeah,

Jessamyn 58:15 yeah. Although I'm very much enjoying the cringy meta talk thread. And that's like, as much cringe as I can handle. You know, we're talking about like, the things that make them all cringy. And that's fun. But

Cortex 58:29 yeah, I haven't dipped into that. Oh my god. I should sometime but I was like, it's interesting. I don't mind like cringe television. Like I don't always want it but like, like, watch cringe television. But like, people like actual people's creative versus fictional cringe. I just sometimes like it resonates too much. I'm like, no, no, I can't I can't experience this. So I'll try dipping a toe in there because like I've mentioned, there's a whole lot of funny stuff in there. But

Jessamyn 58:59 yeah, and it's mostly not people who are legit, unhappy, and there's not too much pushback. Like why do you not like that? That's stupid. Which I think would make it difficult, you know? Because a lot of it's just random shit. You know? I don't like people with hairy arms wearing wristwatches on cooking shows, you know, but like, that's that person's thing. That's

Cortex 59:22 that's a solid specific thing for me

Jessamyn 59:25 not liking water drops on the sink after you know somebody's washed their hands kind of thing. Like just it's yeah, it's just the thing. Yeah.

Cortex 59:34 Well one other notable thing on metal filter. Do you have any more?

Jessamyn 59:39 Just I made a post that I actually liked about people trying to figure out how a clipped that did I just Yeah. There was a clip painting that they feel like the Nazis probably just took last burned got destroyed. Whatever. But now, thanks to artificial intelligence, which is always like, reach for my wallet. They colorized it. And then there's it's just a long essay about people being like, you know, we don't know what this thing looks like in color, we have black and white pictures of it, the colorizing thing does this, that and the other. Here's a bunch of experts talking about like, is that really clipped? Like, or not, or whatever. And I just found it so interesting. Because normally, this AI stuff can go fuck itself. As far as I'm concerned, it's so exhausting. You know, people being like, I trained my robot to whatever. And I'm just like, ah, do something else. But whatever, everybody needs a hobby that was just not,

Cortex 1:00:50 it's interesting. Like, I'm immediately skeptical of the idea of algorithmic theory re coloring a painting, not because I don't think it could, like do a decent job of getting the gist, but like it would be getting the gist, like, this is one of the things with like, unless you have a source of art that is totally representative of every decision that that artist was going to make in the course of making that art, you aren't going to have a chance of actually like reproducing the thing, because you're working from a subset of the decisions they might make, you know, artistically. Even so even if it did, like, even if it's in line. Yeah, like, and that's not to say don't do it, not to say it is an interesting project. But like, like coloring, especially like, it seems like I don't know, I'd be really, I'd be really interested, I should look into it more, because I saw this very much in passing. I think I saw a click Beatty or reference to it somewhere. I was like,

Jessamyn 1:01:47 well, cuz that's how it happens, right? Like somebody does a real essay about it. And then there's a whole bunch of like, just hand jabi kind of like, ooh, robots that what can they do? Kind of? And?

Cortex 1:01:58 Yes. So I think I'll come back to this post of your interest, even

Jessamyn 1:02:05 just a Washington Post article, but then people do have some links to some other details that are actually pretty interesting. Yeah. So yeah, we also with Metafilter. What about you?

Cortex 1:02:16 I think we had just been about to post or I had just posted the first free thread on the blue.

Jessamyn 1:02:23 Hey, do they all have the same tag? Are they all free thread tags? They're

Cortex 1:02:28 all tagged as free thread. So you know, I thought I thought that far, sort of figuring

Jessamyn 1:02:33 out what all last one and I think I even missed this third one.

Cortex 1:02:36 I was not assiduously forward leaving them. And I should do that. I was kind of surprised. No one else did. I know. Well, it's, you know, it's new. It's well,

Jessamyn 1:02:44 and somebody else could do it. But I depended on it more than I think I was aware because I go in and out of looking at the first front page, but I read my recent activity daily.

Cortex 1:02:53 Yeah. Well, I'll get a new one up today, because it's it's a new week. And I'll think a little bit more about the foreword and backlinking and whatnot. Oh, it'd be nice for it to be a little bit more automated, but like, that's us having to build a little bit more special feature, which I don't really feel like,

Jessamyn 1:03:11 automated for thing you need to do every week. Maybe that's not a good use of

Cortex 1:03:15 Yeah, yeah. It's really it would not take me more than two minutes to exactly like, what's the payoff there versus the requirement? So you know, here we go. That's, I'm glad we've talked through this. And I'll just make a point of forking back looking. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:03:30 I love it. All right.

Cortex 1:03:31 Good meeting. Yes, the free thread, we should talk about what

Jessamyn 1:03:38 they came as a surprise to me, which is one of the things I do love about not working at meta filters. I get to actually see some of the things just as they manifest, you know? Yeah. And yeah, the first one was on january third. And was just like, Hey, come on in.

Cortex 1:03:59 And it was, it's been nice people just sort of talking about it. It's interesting, sort of like feeling out as like we're four threads in and sort of like seeing where different people are taking it and whatnot. And I think I left my first actual like mod note in the most recent one saying, hey, this whole racist Canadian anti Vax convoy thing and, you know, whatever's going on up there in Canada, like it's okay to chat about a little bit if you wanna have like a conversation about it. Let's go ahead and go make a post for it. And someone did. And there we go. This is Mark's Yeah, I'm really like, I'm really enjoying them. And I should put another one up and we'll see if they like develop any more specific stuff over time in terms of like, battle structure hardware, but that kind of whole point is like what whatever.

Jessamyn 1:04:43 Well, and I think part of the critique of having like chatty threads and meta talk, which don't get me wrong, I enjoyed those two was that meta talk is already like such a niche niche set of people on the site. You weren't really getting Seeing the kind of everyone on metal filter can kind of see what's going on. Yeah. And having them on the main site, you know, they actually don't cause a problem. I mean, in their mud driven so you're not just gonna get a whole bunch of like randos popping in and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, no fun. And that and the Introduce Yourself thread in meta talk, which I also always enjoy because so many lurkers, and I think sometimes not all the lurkers, but some of the lurkers, you know, like having a little poke, like, hey, maybe come say hi. And they post once, and then they go look for another 10 years. And like, that's cool. Yeah, it's

Cortex 1:05:43 nice. It's nice to have the head, pop the door briefly, you know, even if, even if it's just that like occasional check, and it's nice to have it. And yeah, I think a nudge helps a lot like saying, Hey, you, yeah, you like really makes a difference when I

Jessamyn 1:05:55 use the classic theme, as I mentioned. And so I saw the banner clicked in it. And I thought that was the free thread for this week, or whenever you posted it. And it wasn't until like, I was trying to find my comment again. And I was like, oh, wait a second. This is better talk. Like they're all the same color.

Cortex 1:06:16 Sort of? Yeah, I don't I don't know. It's in the same sort of spirit

Jessamyn 1:06:20 anyway. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Cortex 1:06:24 Should we talk about AskMe? Metafilter Sure.

Jessamyn 1:06:28 monkey toes has too much alchemy. Oh, no. No big problem. And she doesn't love it. But she has an Insta pot and some stuff and she can't grill and she wants it to not taste like elk. What do you got? And scrub jay actually shows up with some game cookbooks which is awesome. And there's a couple other like cookie advice you know this Indian food this sauce this curry this whatever. tried some stuff and you know it's going pretty good so far if you have tips on how to help mosquitoes cook with elk there's the thread

Cortex 1:07:08 likes Yeah. See, there was questions so far unresolved. From mermaid Cafe saying what was the music video with the giant blue bitscope poster which

Jessamyn 1:07:22 I have to say as a result of this thread I watched Baby Got Back again which is you know a very at this point elderly rap song about Sir Mix A Lot and hidden liking women with large butts. And there are women dancing and like snuggie pants like shaking their butts at you. And the thing that is the weirdest about it is compared to the like women with big butts that we have nowadays. These women do not have large butts relatively speaking like they probably did compared to like the weird skinny Kate Moss models that we were all stuck with in like high fashion. But they're just like, you know, muscly women who dance good, you know what I mean? But compared to like Nicki Minaj or Cardi B or like all these people you know, Kim Kardashian like the but ratio is completely different now than it was when this video was being made.

Cortex 1:08:17 Yeah, you have to adjust for inflation so sorry

Jessamyn 1:08:27 so I am really curious about this because you know, how many videos are there with a giant but in the back and the answer is more than one because it wasn't that one. Yeah, and I do love that song. So yeah I enjoyed this very quickly asked and answered question by peppercorn which was I'm looking for the song that lyric sound with like like a bat out of hell I'll be gone gone gone but it isn't that what is it it's like it's Rebel Yell by Billy Idol. Then the comment for peppercorn is just fuck it's completely Rebel Yell by Billy Idol thank you

Cortex 1:09:16 oh, that's fantastic.

Jessamyn 1:09:17 Oh, I love those then somebody links to the video and yes, yeah, all everything I think I have it asked Metafilter is music oriented?

Cortex 1:09:27 It's a theme month. I actually I can I can run with that theme because an update on the what was that weird instrument in the Beatles get back documentary? Oh, sure. Yeah, the update is son Song Dog saying I wonder whether it might be some sort of Aeolian harp. There's your update. So we're still hot on the trail of the weird instrument and sound dog thinks it might be an alien harp or at least wonders if it might be so there we go. forward progress.

Jessamyn 1:09:57 Oh, thanks. Yeah, I just finished reading this absolutely. arable book about you know, it's one of those books. It's like, why

Cortex 1:10:04 did you finish reading

Jessamyn 1:10:05 it? Because I read so fast. And you know how sometimes you're reading a book and you don't really like it that much. But like you want to figure out if at the end, the unlikable protagonist maybe gets likable. And that's the whole thing, being with them on this journey to being likable. Or if it's just gonna all crash and burn, and then you feel like you wasted your time. And unfortunately, it was more of the latter. And but part of it is like this person has like interludes in their life that seem just vaguely surreal. But like, not quite, you know what I mean? So like, you know, he's talking to some guy at a party and the guy at the party is talking about his friend that plays this Swiffer board instrument, and kind of moves his hands around talking about how to play it. And the guy who's like in his 20s, or 30s is like, is it possible there's like a instrument I've never heard of, you know, like, and that's part of like, the weird is reality bending in a funny way. And it's just these tiny aspects. And I've seen this done well, like in that book, rabbits. And I've now seen it done poorly, like in this book, dare to know, which I just, you know, I wasn't sure what the point was. You were like, Was it real? Wasn't it real? But now I've got locked in my head, there is an instrument called a Swiffer board, because it's the kind of alt instrument in this book that I shouldn't have finished. All right, don't read this book.

Cortex 1:11:34 Did I tell you that I didn't finish reading masters of doom? Maybe that was since

Jessamyn 1:11:39 his masters of doom? No, no. Are you a bad friend? No, no, no. That's

Cortex 1:11:48 it. That's incredible, too. Oh, of course I am. Which is very worth reading. Well, of course. But no masters of Doom was a book from 2003, about id Software. And sort of like the rise of the company and how they got to be making Wolfenstein and

Jessamyn 1:12:06 those guys. Yeah, well, I

Cortex 1:12:08 found that just was. They were annoying. 20 year olds. Yeah. And the book doesn't seem to quite understand how annoying they are while talking about them. And the whole thing feels very, like 2003. And yeah, a little bit Mountain Dew culture, even though it's also sort of nominally from a straight face journalist. And yeah, it was just bad. It was bad. I didn't like it. I stopped reading it.

Jessamyn 1:12:31 Yeah, I had like a weird bout of insomnia. That is unusual for me. And so I just stayed up really late reading this book one night, and then I finished it the second night. So I was like, Man, fuck it, whatever. It's only two nights. It's not too bad. But I'm still mad. That wasn't. It wasn't better. Another musical question, which was just a very brief but kind of interesting thread, which was alright, when was Van Halen 1984 album released? Because this is short end of a wishbone. Whose, you know, it's 1984. It was released according to documents on January 9, but they pretty clearly remember buying it on Christmas 1983. What's going on here? And then dog shows up? Who has a whole bunch of you know, he's

Cortex 1:13:19 been doing I would expect ops to have some thoughts on this. Yeah. And he

Jessamyn 1:13:23 talks about kind of how, you know, retailing worked in Canada, and who the major retailers work and and, you know, there's no definitive answer, but it's quite likely that this record was available early. And I was just interested to read it.

Cortex 1:13:42 Yeah, that reminds me of people trying to get copies of games early, which was also a thing that like, increasingly became not doable as game stores became more corporatized. But like, Yeah, same, same, same, probably basic thing. There's, like, distribution is not like, just in time, it's not like, gonna show up at the last minute, if they can help it, they'd rather have it like, you know, shipped out,

Jessamyn 1:14:04 like when the truck arrives, right? Once a month, who knows when that happens.

Cortex 1:14:08 And when do the, you know, what order are the trucks taking the stops in, etc? So yeah,

Jessamyn 1:14:14 yeah, we could always it was always weird at the library with like DVD releases, because, you know, similar to DVD releases, like we would get the DVDs early, and they would be embargoed until a certain day. But like, you know, we the ling patrons, would be like, I know what's on the shelf. And I want to say sure, because they know you'd have it and you know, in some cases, you could bring the DVD home and watch it early. But like, you know, it was a whole thing that like people would be really weird about I mean, maybe still happens. Like I've paid less attention to sort of DVD distribution in libraries, since I don't have a DVD player. But you know, it's kind of a weird, interesting, interesting problem.

Cortex 1:15:00 Yeah, I was just poking for random reasons through my old like asked me favorites. And so here's here's an ask me throwback from 15 years ago Jesus Christ. This is a question from Scotti trying to identify a mystery object and the pictures in link are still useful because they're on her Flickr account or someone's Flickr account. And anyway, it's it's like what what is this thing and someone showed up? I think it was crypt cage. I've already lost the link or maybe with CDA. Yeah, CDA showed up with explanation that is a negative retouching machine. And like, this is what the deal is with it. And so yeah, that's metaphor, answering questions for a really long time. old favorites. Yep.

Jessamyn 1:15:49 Well, I like this question by good Tonda, which was so you know, Joe Biden was caught on Hot Mic calling a stupid son of a bitch, a stupid son of a bitch and got Tonda is like, you know, here's how you say it. Here's how this thing was translated into Japanese. You know, the word means more kind of like generic dumb ass. You know, how are other languages reporting this? And do they explain it? Well, does it feel like it makes sense in your language, and it's just kind of a fun? Thread.

Cortex 1:16:27 You know, I had that open in a tab, and I didn't get around to reading through it. But like, Yes, I really liked comparative like, idiom, because like, that's the thing, a lot of a lot of like curse words are, you know, almost by definition, idiomatic just because, like, you know, there's not really a, there's no, there's no core underlying concept like dog. That translates as clearly for something like fuckhead, right? Like, you know, like, the way people shaved the meaning of, you know, dog. And, you know, the difference between different similar animals might vary from language language, but we can pretty much agree, most languages are going to have a basic straightforward word for dog as a general kind of animal, right? Like, we have a very clear reference for that. And then fuckhead Well, what is the nature of a fuckhead? Like, it's great.

Jessamyn 1:17:13 What does that even exactly mean? Exactly? Yes.

Cortex 1:17:17 Yeah. I like the phrase fuckhead is like a weird phrase, like, you could try and attach specific, like, literal semantics to like, fucking head and derive it, but it doesn't really work. It's not, it's not someone's whose head has sex. It's, it's a fucking this guy's a shithole. He's, uh, you know, he's a, he's a fucking, you know, train wreck. He's a, he's a, he's a piece of crap. He's a great, you know, et cetera, like, you know? Yeah, so the capacity for these kinds of phrases to like, wander in varying idiomatic directions. And the fact that we just have to more sort of say like, Well, okay, this is the kind of thing you would say about someone like that, rather than like, Oh, this is the phrase for that, you know, it's going to be a real challenge for machine translation in the long run, basically, is my thinking. I feel like that should be a thing with Star Trek with, you know, how, like, there's a universal translator, it's pretty magical. And everybody can just understand everybody else. And there's no, one of the things that gets hairy when you start thinking about is like, how does it deal with things like intentionally speaking in loanwords? Or, you know, right, borrowing words from the language or, you know, idiomatic stuff like they have that the fucking episode Darmok, the one with you know, Darmok and I don't

Jessamyn 1:18:29 know, triples. I haven't seen it otherwise. Oh,

Cortex 1:18:34 this was a Next Generation episode is a classic.

Jessamyn 1:18:37 I've never watched the next generation at all. No,

Cortex 1:18:41 wow. I mean, the spine, there's not a pattern. There was a lot of it. And it was kind of one of the big ones. So like, avoiding

Jessamyn 1:18:49 chunk of time where I just kind of didn't watch a lot of TV. Yeah, that's the Sci Fi television until much, much later. I think that would be good reason not to have been watching. Yeah, but I'm sorry, go on tarmacs.

Cortex 1:19:03 There's this classic episode of next generation where Picard gets beamed down to a planet surface with the captain of another ship that they are having trouble communicating with. And I think bumbling through that communication badly. So they end up basically stealing the captain and sitting down with theirs to hash things out, I guess. And the thing with this species that they've encountered is the universal translator doesn't work for their language because they speak entirely in idioms. It's entirely idiomatic references to past historical or mythical events. So like Darmok and Jalad. At Tanagra would be their way of discussing, you know, the idea of two people meeting under politically difficult times and finding their way forward together. Yeah, you know, because that's a thing that happened back back at Tanagra. That one time Dharma can gelato or there or Temba when the walls fell, which is a reference to that time that that thing happened where timber was there and the walls fell or no was Shaka with the walls fell sorry. Timbers arms were wide. You know, it's like this. And it's a great premise. It's a great storytelling premise. And it's a terrible, terrible, terrible linguistics episode. And it's, it sucks, because it's also like, totally the linguistics episode of Star Trek as far as like, everyone's concerned. And it's, it's, it's, it's dumb, and I could talk about it for half an hour. But anyway, it's a classic, I would say it's worth watching and might even be less annoying, not in the context of other next generation episodes to watch, because it's sort of its own weird little bottle thing. But that's my, I guess that's my recommendation to you. If you want to dive into a little bit of pop culture, skip, skip the next bad book you read, and instead, watch this one episode of Star Trek Next Generation. And then you'll get the references to Darmok, which is what the episode is all about. Anyway, so it's perfect. I was I got on to that for some reason, I guess just because we were talking about ATMs.

Jessamyn 1:20:58 You're talking about son of a bitch in other languages?

Cortex 1:21:01 Yeah. Well, yeah. Okay. So I think in Star Trek, that's, that's how I got there. I feel like in Star Trek, anytime someone was angry and swore not that people were allowed to be for, like, the current series, but like, I think that's when the machine translation should work the worst, like, that's when it should, like, you can tell someone's cursing not because you know what they're saying, but because you don't know what they're saying. Right? And the translator is like, well, I don't know how to. How would you? How would a dog's head even get in there? Right, right, right. Yeah. Which I feel like they sort of did with clean on like, clean guns were sort of allowed to yell angry things and cling on

Jessamyn 1:21:37 on the show. And you just didn't know what they were kind of. Yeah.

Cortex 1:21:41 But they were convincingly you know, brutish, and angry and, and loud. Race on on next generation. And, yeah, well, anyway,

Jessamyn 1:21:51 it's been funny, I watch a lot of stand up comedy on Netflix and other places. And, you know, I have a penchant for watching people from like, different backgrounds for me, you know, and so I'm watching. I don't remember his first name, but his last name, su Leung. And he's Chinese, and he lives in Malaysia. And so the stand up specials in English. But every now and again, he kind of dives into idiomatic Chinese, like, I don't even know what it is that he's diving into. Just he makes these kind of like muttering asides in a different language. And sometimes they subtitle them in Netflix. And sometimes they don't. Every time the audience loses their mind, like whatever he's saying is like, the funniest thing. But I think part of the joke is in general, he's talking in English, but then he makes this like mumble the mumble, mumble the side joke in whatever the other languages which, you know, the audience just completely eats up because they speak both languages. And it's, you know, it's charming for them. So, yeah, it's I'm interested in how, how those choices get made, I guess, both, you know, the person who's saying them, but also the people who are producing them, because Netflix obviously has to make a choice. Like, do we translate this? Just let this be a big question mark knows. Yeah. Last. I just saw your comments in our notes. The last language oriented asked Metafilter thing. This was from Orange valore. Thinking about music, rock music, specifically that have really fun word play, you know, where they use a word and kind of two senses of the word but you kind of get it and it's kind of like a joke, and they're not really pawns, but what are they? And two, it's just a great thread of, you know, a ton of interesting word play aspects of you know, rock music that you probably already know.

Cortex 1:24:01 Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting like the idea like that there is a name for this and my my first take on what they're showing is like, I don't know, there there is like it like it's, it's it's clever writing like it's wordplay that there are there are definitely probably specific, like poetic terms for like, any given example of them.

Jessamyn 1:24:26 Yeah, I mean, se makes a pretty good point that these actually are puns. We've just got a narrow band definition of puns, especially hate them.

Cortex 1:24:36 Yeah. Yeah. What what people really mean is like dad jokes, right? Exactly. This the dad joke subset of puns, basically. But I mean, that's also fair. Like, I don't think most people think of Pong as like, a general sense of structural or somatic wordplay they think of pawns. So whether or not it's really the correct term of art pondside No, but this clip a fun thread to look through. I will have to come back to this. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:25:03 I thought it was I thought it was really fun. I kind of watched it. Watch the Explorer and or watched it expand and I liked it.

Cortex 1:25:12 Yeah. Anything else from ask or

Jessamyn 1:25:16 this happy little thread about D melanogaster. Their bank was being bought by another bank. And so then they didn't have a physical bank to go to and needed somebody to help solve the bank problem. And actually, plastic animals was like, oh, no, all the branches are going to convert to these branches. But it's going to take a month, so you can actually stay there. And it'll all be okay. And they're really happy about that. Nice. Yeah, lots of exclamation points. Was was cool. And now, the only other thing that I had on my list was trying to make sense of Amazon reviews. This was cozy be basically like, look, I'm trying to buy something. But for something that's got like 5000 ratings, you know, and all the one star ratings talk about how to thing broke after a week and whatever, but the five star ratings are like, Oh, my God, how amazing is it? How do I figure out what to do about that? And, you know, people kind of talk about it. And it's useful. And definitely, as somebody who is looking at buying a pair of boots on the internet, like just snow boots. I get stuck in like analysis paralysis, looking at reviews being like, like, all of these cut the user's feet off. That's not what I want.

Cortex 1:26:45 Yeah, I will look for like very specific kinds of bad reviews. Sometimes for a product like, Oh, I know, there's a specific thing that I need to do that might be iffy. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:26:54 like, I need my electric blanket to not make any noise. Yeah, some of them have a high pitched whine. That won't bother most people. It would bother me, ergo, yeah, yeah,

Cortex 1:27:05 I was looking for a light table at one point A while back, and there's a lot of 20 $25 LED light tables is like, how do I pick which one? And then how do I decide which of these ones like piles of fucking reviews are there and like, you know, to came to the well, does it turn on and off? Well, because that's another thing you would think to just randomly DIS and, you know, is the color temperature? Correct? Which is like, a specific trait. Yeah, like, that's huge. And also, it's not like, you know, I think it's easy to just make up a dumb like review bombing out exactly. Like, you kind of have to know how to criticize it. So but yeah, it's it's a shitshow is my dismissive answer is like, it's just such a giant shit show on Amazon at this point. That, yes, it's scaled up and up and up and up with incentives

Jessamyn 1:27:52 I should have known when I the book that I just started and finished reading got at 3.2 on Goodreads that that's such a horrifically low review. Number on good reads, I should have made it more heat. Yeah, I was like, whatever. People didn't like this book, but I probably will.

Cortex 1:28:11 It's tricky because everyone's watch a shitty horror movie. Like, rightly got like a five out of 10. And it's a five out of 10 movie, but like, also, it's a specific genre thing that I was into is like, Yeah, I'll watch this shitty movie. And I'll appreciate how this shitty movie was somehow put together but like, that's, if I then turn around and recommend that someone who's like not a big like schlock horror fans, and oh, you should watch this is great. They'd be like, What the fuck was he thinking? You know? Right, right. Right, right. Can you silo out? Yeah, the one from the other? Well, why don't we wrap up, I've got a few little meta talk things we can mention, we already mentioned in passing the Introduce Yourself thread, but that is still there. And we'll keep that up. And maybe just sort of keep that going as a periodic thing. I think it'd be nice to remind people to come say hi, and whatnot.

Jessamyn 1:29:03 Yeah. And even if you've been around, in general, you can come to the introduction thread and just say, welcome to the people who are in it. That'd be cool.

Cortex 1:29:10 Yeah, it'd be nice to have it like I think part of the long term thing is it'd be nice to have it remain a visible feature such that as people newly come to the site, it's easy to find and easy to say hello, like right now most of the people in there like people have been around for a while and

Jessamyn 1:29:24 put it in the banner, which I appreciate. Oh, can you put the Super Bowl in the banner? Oh, shit,

Cortex 1:29:29 it's out of thing. Well,

Jessamyn 1:29:30 it's not it's coming up.

Cortex 1:29:32 Okay, well, well, yeah.

Jessamyn 1:29:35 I am reminding you.

Cortex 1:29:36 Yes. Well remind me somehow other than what I'm podcast. Oh, you

Jessamyn 1:29:39 have tools. It's your job. You're paid money for this.

Cortex 1:29:43 I will. I will interrupt my train of thought talk about something. Talk about something nice.

Jessamyn 1:29:48 So the blizzard turned out to really not be a big deal up here. We got zero inches of snow whereas Kate and Jim down in Massachusetts both got 17 inches of snow. So much Snow it was just bitter cold up here and windy. But didn't really get that snowy, but it sounded like most people came out of the Blizzard okay in the New England and sort of New York area, and I was happy for that. And there was a great thread on meta talk about dealing with or who was doing how in the blizzard?

Cortex 1:30:21 Yeah. So big blizzard thread.

Jessamyn 1:30:25 It's double Jubilee a month.

Cortex 1:30:28 Whole. cmcl I can't think and talk.

Jessamyn 1:30:35 Seriously, you don't just yell at your phone remind me to do this. And like,

Cortex 1:30:39 I realized I would that would have been faster while I you know, but yeah, whatever. I'm using my tools. I'm done. Now I'm back here. We're gonna keep keep doing the same. There was a nice thread from monkey toes. About your favorite under left comments of 2021. So Oh,

Jessamyn 1:30:55 yeah, I always liked that this time. I didn't actually have like, I kind of went digging around. And I, I found a couple. But yeah, usually I have more kind of in the hopper. And this time, I kind of didn't.

Cortex 1:31:11 We are also doing a double Jubilee theme month. Basically, if there's a thing that got posted before, do you want to bring it back round, just go ahead and fucking do it. That could be literally resurrecting a old post, if you want to be real literal about it. But more along the lines of like, Oh, hey, here's a thing that was posted before and you know, maybe some fresh links for it, maybe, you know, whatever. But the point is, like, even normally, if you're like, oh, there's this post, but it was posted 10 years ago, go ahead and post it but this month, especially go do it on purpose. Go find an old post you liked or an old post you like making from like 510 15 years ago, and just like bring that sucker back around. And we're not going to we're not going to care at all. I mean, we will care in a happy way. We're not going to give you trouble for it. So yeah, so check that out. That's currently up in the banner, I believe. Yeah. And yeah, maybe that's everything. Maybe that's

Jessamyn 1:32:07 Yeah. regular updates. Keep doing that or bad. Bad back. Yeah. Back

Cortex 1:32:11 to regular updates got through the strange bumpiness of starting a new year. Yep. And yeah. Oh, an overlapping Elvis accidentally closed his account earlier because of an interface problem. So I fixed that for him. Welcome back.

Jessamyn 1:32:26 Sorry, overlapping Elvis.

Cortex 1:32:28 Well, it's an interesting thing. It's last pass was the problem like because he was like, and there was no confirmation. It's like, wow, that's weird. I'll have to look into that. But then I followed up on conversations like, oh, maybe there was confirmation, but LastPass was like, Oh, I know this username and password. Sure. Yeah, I'll take care of that for you. So like, maybe the content on the closure account thing needs to be poked to be a little bit more resistance to helpful password management things. Oh, I don't know. I'll have to play with it. I I'd love to know from but we'll we'll see what we can find. But, but yeah, that's that's an exciting new development. helpful tools. Yeah, that's it. That's me. I've I think I've motored through all this stuff in my head for the moment.

Jessamyn 1:33:12 I'm gonna turn my Humidifier on. I got about 15 minutes before I go full on reason. And so I need to, you know, I need to aundre out, go for a walk. Check out my email, get a little vitamin D. And then I got a Conservation Commission meeting tonight. And yeah, that's a full slate. Yeah, you wouldn't get going on.

Cortex 1:33:33 Probably work on a podcast, mixing and whatnot and work later, you know, maybe yes, some video games, maybe some art, you know, things, things and

Jessamyn 1:33:41 stuff. That all sounds great. All right.

Cortex 1:33:45 Well, pleasure talking to you. And let's do it again in a month,

Jessamyn 1:33:48 as always sounds great. Seven weeks, four weeks of 707

Cortex 1:33:52 weeks or four days. We're just turning. We're doing a pivot table on the time. All right.