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A transcript for Episode 170: Through A Paper Towel Tube Darkly (2021-03-03).

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Cortex 0:00 A podcast podcast. This is a podcast the

Jessamyn 0:09 Do I sound okay? Is my second level okay?

Cortex 0:12 Yeah. Okay. I think so. You sound great Jasmine, you sound fantastic.

Jessamyn 0:18 Oh, you too, so good.

Cortex 0:21 You would sound great coming through the far end of a paper towel roll your,

Jessamyn 0:25 your that's my favorite way to communicate.

Cortex 0:27 We should do that for the entire podcast sometimes just like, just really good. Yeah, that'd be fun

Jessamyn 0:34 ideas that sounds funner than it is for anybody but us.

Cortex 0:39 That's up there with my idea that I should like vo code my site of an entire podcast and oh my god, I should do that sometime. But like, I can't be bothered to set it up for two minutes. So it's like I keep not doing it. Anyways, this is this is the midfielder monthly Podcast, episode 170. I am Josh cortex Mullard.

Jessamyn 0:58 And I'm Jessamyn. And we are here

Cortex 1:01 on February something, it's something it's something to February. It's Friday, February 26. We're recording this all this will probably come out on Monday because trying to not immediately turn things around on Friday and then have a podcast like just Mullingar over the weekend anyway, what if we just took our time? Hey, that sounds so if anything, if anything crazy happens between now and Monday that makes this podcast out of date? Well, that's a little exciting temporal experience for everybody too.

Jessamyn 1:27 Isn't it nice though, to live in an America where it's very likely that nothing completely nuts is going to happen over the weekend.

Cortex 1:36 It is like it's weird because like, I'm still sort of making. I'm making my piece in a way with like, the adjustment to this because on the one hand, like that is so true. And on the other hand, like a bunch of shitty stuff has happened, but it's like normal, shitty American government stuff like that. Yeah. So. So on the one hand, I'm delighted not to be like, oh, there's an asshole with a gun running around in the living room. On the other hand, like the assholes are keeping their guns safely in the shooting people room. So it's like, oh, everything's fine. No.

Jessamyn 2:10 We're, like the buyers recalibrating.

Cortex 2:12 I want to be with you. I want to be able to enjoy and feel this relief of having the absolute moment to moment. Ship paleness of every like, you know, experience of interfacing with a world like that is a lot better. Like there's there's there's less uncertainty about whether I'll be able to complete a sentence in any given hour of any given day, given the fucking context. But

Jessamyn 2:36 at the same time, yeah, at the same

Cortex 2:38 time, everything still is fucked. It's just fucked in a more predictable and, you know, mannered way

Jessamyn 2:45 and with with more possible options for improvement that aren't like, yeah, for years for an election.

Cortex 2:50 Yeah, like I like I can see their stuff to be optimistic about and stuff. That is good. That has happened to it's just, I really feel the people who have felt like, Wait, why is everybody partying? Because like, wow, yeah, it isn't. It isn't like, you know, it's, you know, and

Jessamyn 3:05 depending on your position, this can be also a precarious time, especially with COVID I mean, I was talking to my sister yesterday, she's a Massachusetts, Massachusetts has been doing okay, which is good. But they're making a bunch of weird dumb decisions now, which means people who felt like maybe, okay, like we're not super happy with all these restrictions, but at least we feel like we're not being pushed into unsafe situations. Now feel that's what's happening in you know, practically March after a year of this. And that's got to be a super unstable, like, bad, bad feeling. We don't really have the same thing going on in Vermont, but you know, I could I could definitely understand people being like, we're people still need yelling at no disagree. No disagreement was a thing. There was a thing. And it'll come back to me, it'll come back to me maybe like I was like, apropos of the thing five

Cortex 4:08 these elusive thoughts

Jessamyn 4:09 sunny day outside.

Cortex 4:13 It's a sunny day outside here, too. It's also wet and cold, but like there's sun coming through some of the clouds

Jessamyn 4:17 and you had a rather impressive power failure. Not going yeah. Yeah, it was just a storm power failure. Was that true?

Cortex 4:26 Yeah. Portland got a bunch of snow and then a bunch of like, freezing rain and ice, which is always the the exciting sequel and the state cold for a few days. And as a result, like the ice basically took out a lot of power in the Portland area. There was something like 100,000 customers in the Portland city proper area, which is like that's at least something like 10% of the population, I think. And a bunch more elsewhere in Multnomah County in the Greater Portland metro area and And, and Oregon. And yeah, I got relatively light treatment there. I was without power for about 36 hours, Monday and Tuesday,

Jessamyn 5:11 but you source in your house and yeah, we've got a gas stove. So we

Cortex 5:14 like just kept that running the whole time. And it was like a warm little corner of the living room. And you know, we have a gas range, so we could, you know, cook on that. So it was like, you know, it was cold, it was a pain in the ass and I wanted to shower butts. You know, that's, that's kind of the worst of it.

Jessamyn 5:30 Yeah, I talked to some of them. He fights in Texas, both in Meditec thread and just you know, privately and that sounds like it was, you know, bad and bad in almost the kind of last administration ways because the people in charge were abdicating responsibility, which kind of makes feeling even worse.

Cortex 5:49 Yeah. Yeah, and even people in Portland, there were people who didn't have power for like, you know, four days for a week. I was also lucky that like, the power outage we had was at the tail end of when it was actually freezing. So the power came back on around, you know, the same period where it was starting to warm up. Which you know, 40s, but 40s is great if you're sitting around with no heat. Compare. Yeah,

Jessamyn 6:14 I mean, we've got 40s here. And it's like shorts weather. But you know, it's also very warm inside, which makes it a lot easier to say that. Yeah, exactly. And then Jim lost his power briefly, for no reason anybody could understand, two days ago. And it was kind of amazing, because like, you know, we usually chat in the evenings. And he was like, fuck, power just went out for no reason. I was like, wow. And so I went online to sort of figure it out. And like, not only is their power company, like, they've got a perfect map, where you can see literally the, the orb of where the power is out in his town. But like, they're on Twitter, like updating people, you know, not, not minute by minute, but like, Oh, hey, the power is back on and then like seven minutes later, I shit like it's back off, but we're working on et cetera, et cetera. Like you could communicate with them. Tell them where you lived. Tell them there was a power outage. You didn't have to like make a phone call, stay on hold forever. Use a terrible website that required you to log in. It was like, you know, the future, basically. And yeah, you know, we have a good power company here. But they're not communicative like that. It was a yes, it was a thing to see.

Cortex 7:25 Oh, God speaking up being on hold. This is just like a dumb story. I was talking about some of those in the in the slack the other day, but yesterday, that's when it was. I had a dispute with the IRS over $2.36 that I spent two hours on the phone to establish I did not actually owe them they just sent me a letter too soon, on the assumption that I guess I would not pay the thing that led to that interest rate. I've

Jessamyn 7:48 been fighting with the IRS lately to tell me more.

Cortex 7:52 Well, I mean, that's the whole thing. It was like it was it was a tiny interest charge on a payment. And they calculated the interest charge and sent out the letter in threatening IRS, hey, do this or will levy your property. Take your house. Right, right. Right. Yeah. Over over that interest plus the principal, but they also had actually gotten the payment. And yeah, it was it was just like that dumping mail crossing. But I think to anticipate the slowness of mail and make sure that I got timely notice of this problem. They sent it before the problem had actually manifested. And so yeah, a lot of time on hold to find some guy who was willing to say, oh, no, actually, I think you're fine.

Jessamyn 8:31 Yeah, I had a similar like, Hey, you owe $300 from your taxes two years ago, and I was like, Oh, all right. Like that's plausible. So here's a check. And then I got the menacing letter. And I was like, You fuckers cashed my check three months ago. No, we're not doing this like and I've been doing it all by letter because they actually have to get back to you in a certain amount of time when you mail them letters. Oh, yeah. Who's got time to be on hold? Maybe you but definitely not. And, and I think it's gonna work out but it is very weird. Very, very weird. I just gave a library talk about like, how to file your taxes online for you know, some people who may be doing that for the first time and 2021 and so I've spent a little bit more time with the IRS in the last couple months than I would prefer to

Cortex 9:21 everybody else will in the next two months. So yeah, the tax season jokes. I don't have much going on there. Um,

Jessamyn 9:31 let me tell you about 170 It's the only thing I liked about this. Rep did it in bed base four and base 16 Which I'm sure probably has to be right if it's an edit right and base for it's 20 to 22 and a base 16 It is a a

Cortex 9:48 nice I wonder I'm not huh. I'm wondering about whether and how much it's a given that erupted in one would be in the other like I want to say that it's it's a rep digit is In hex, it would probably also be a rep digit in like base four, but I don't think the converse would necessarily be

Jessamyn 10:08 Yeah, and then base eight apparently.

Cortex 10:10 Yeah, well, it's because base 16 would be a oh yeah, of the base of base four is what I'm thinking. I'm not even sure if that's, I mean, I know that's right. But I don't know if that means the if that's the reps in base 16 would make sure that a rep in four would be there but yes, yeah, so by by analogy, something in base four that's a rep would probably also be erected in base two, but again, I don't know if that's true.

Jessamyn 10:34 This is like how I fall asleep at night like I think of a slightly not no seriously like I am not that you're boring but like like I think of a slightly tricky math problem but one that is within my ability to kind of puzzle out and then I just kind of lie there thinking about that and not about like all the other things I don't want to be thinking about it wouldn't let me sleep

Cortex 10:56 I kind of I use Picross on the Nintendo Switch at this point I'm playing it on it's a kind of puzzle I like also nanograms are called

Jessamyn 11:08 what is that? Is that pseudo good? Is that a way to say it? It's

Cortex 11:10 it's not Sudoku but it's it's a similar like puzzle with

Jessamyn 11:14 math. PCR OSS, or is it Pykara? It's

Cortex 11:18 P I, I think I think it's probably supposed to be pronounced pick Ross, it's P IC R Oss.

Jessamyn 11:24 I am definitely not picking on your pronunciation. No, no, no, no, it's

Cortex 11:27 one of those things where like, I associated with Japanese video games, because Nintendo is one of the like biggest purveyors of like, good Picross games. And like he is

Jessamyn 11:40 much more. I'm sort of

Cortex 11:42 like it's yeah, it's a weird mathy paint by numbers thing like your paint by inference from numbers. So like, you know, based on the numbers in a column, and you can deduce where there can and cannot be pixels, and then you mark those in and then from there, you can deduce further and, you know, so you're working it out, step by step based on I get

Jessamyn 12:03 those numbers, reverse Sudoku almost.

Cortex 12:06 Yeah, it's like it didn't that same sort of like, elimination by inference thing, and it's called pick cross. Because they're often designed to produce some sort of little pixel art picture when it's done. But yeah, but anyway, in Japanese you don't have an ear sound but you do have an e sound and I saw I always end up going with p cross for whatever reason

Jessamyn 12:28 I've made since you were talking.

Cortex 12:34 Anyway, I find that I find that I like that's a chill out game for me like I will sort of chip sit and I'll sort of shit and play. Yes,

Jessamyn 12:42 I want to hear about your phone habits. But I'll

Cortex 12:45 sit on the couch and I'll play pick grace and it's nice because I can do it while listening to a podcast say so if like, Angela is doing some crafting and we want it I want to do something nonverbal and so we can listen together. Yeah, number pulses are good. It unfortunately works very well as sort of that put you to sleep with this working on a math problem thing for me when I don't want it to Yeah, like I'm not doing this in bed when I'm getting ready to sleep on the couch when it's like the evening but I want to stay awake and do something with my hands. But it's just sitting on the couch and playing it lols me have to stop podcast halfway through. Oh, yeah, it's tricky. I hear napping but I probably shouldn't drink uh, yeah. You know, mappings Okay? All right. So we got 170 We got a podcast, let's talk about meta filter. Let's talk about stuff on meta filter.

Jessamyn 13:31 Hey, hey, one job this whole month and it's from meat bomb. Do we usually start off with I'm starting with

Cortex 13:41 oh, we start with jobs? No, during the jobs.

Jessamyn 13:43 Basically, it's, they want to do a he wants to cover setup costs. And then it's a social activism say he wants to do so. I'm not 100% sure if this is a job that pays. General slant is youth empowerment and senior citizen engagement and education. And they're looking for somebody to build a little website. All right, in Canada

Cortex 14:14 and the Canadian website.

Jessamyn 14:15 Yeah. And if they do crowdfunding, there's possibly an income split. But other than that somewhat vague, unclear. We'll see.

Cortex 14:24 Yeah. If you'd like a big website, Canadian job. Check it out. Yeah.

Jessamyn 14:30 And that is it for jobs for February. So I would like to again, stress if you have jobs that are available to people. Metafilter jobs is a place for my my town librarian. We've got a small library that has I think two and a half FTE and the the part time adult services librarian is retiring. And I had to talk myself out of applying for that job. Because the reason she's retiring and I think it's Safe to say this on a podcast that nobody in my town listens to, is because the director is very difficult to work with. And the director would be difficult for me to work with even worse, because we're kind of similar. And, you know, that's fine for what it is. But so if you want a part time librarian job, and I did talk to my knee fight neighbor, who is an archivist and has been a public librarian about that, maybe being kind of a cool opportunity for her. And maybe the be fight neighbor who moved in next door to me, might be my new librarian. Maybe my guess is it's going to be a competitive job. And they'll probably give it to some very young person, but who knows?

Cortex 15:45 Yeah, that's exciting.

Jessamyn 15:47 Yeah, that's remote report.

Cortex 15:49 Beep boop, boop, boop, we do. And yeah, if you've got if you've we should really start a band.

Jessamyn 16:01 How many bands are you?

Cortex 16:04 Currently, technically one because the pandemic kind of started right when I was in the process of soft quitting it? So so

Jessamyn 16:13 really, really zero, but they don't know you've left yet?

Cortex 16:17 No. I mean, they, they know I was leaving. But then the things I was leaving we haven't done for a year because like, I sort of left in terms of like, Hey, I don't want to play out. I don't want to really try and do working band stuff, right. You want to do? Yeah, like I enjoy writing with you guys. I like it. I enjoy recording with you guys. I wish our album that we recorded three years ago was out. But I don't want to gig gigging is terrible. And we have no following so we don't get the good side of it. Right, exactly. And

Jessamyn 16:45 nobody do that social engagement to bring in a whole bunch of people who want to play music.

Cortex 16:51 Yeah, it's a shitload of work. Like there's nothing wrong with wanting to do that. But I don't want to do that no one else in the band is prepared to just like solo that. And yeah, so it's like, it's just not worth this. They're called pictures of pictures. And we have a very good record that will come out eventually. And you won't find any information about us on the internet other than like a couple social media posts, probably because

Jessamyn 17:13 he's a really good name for a band.

Cortex 17:15 It's a good name. I should not get into a complicated, like. Anyway, let's talk about let's talk about projects. Let's talk about projects on Metafilter. Okay,

Jessamyn 17:27 I do feel like in some ways, projects can sometimes be some of the same people you like doing things that you continue to like, like, oh, it's the person and they did another thing, and I really enjoyed John Gordon's animal bastards.

Cortex 17:47 I did not see this yet. Oh, my God,

Jessamyn 17:49 it is basically, you look at each animal, and then some facts that they do that are good or bad. And you have to decide if the animal is a bastard or not a bastard. And once you pick without getting any facts, they'll give you mitigating facts to your choice. So if you decide that a Zebra is not a bastard, then they'll be like, Are you sure? Here's a way to preserve bastards.

Cortex 18:17 So I'm looking at this son parakeet and just looking at a bastard. He looked to him. So I said, He's a bastard and I said, Are you sure if a son parakeet is separated from the flock? It just says a squawk and the group will come back to fetch it. That seems like something you would not do if that person was a bat. She was like, Yeah, fucking ketchup, bud. So I'm gonna change my mind. He's not a bastard. And it says, Are you sure he's not a bastard? If Sun parakeets get hungry for calcium, they break and eat their own eggs? Well, I changed my mind. Is I was right. I was right from the first place. Seahorses seahorses aren't bastards. See horses save energy by using SierraCharts is unwilling taxis. Well, I mean, what is what is what is the sea urchin up to? You know, I'm gonna say Namaste.

Jessamyn 18:58 Hey, can I tell you a sea urchin fact that I know? Yes, there. Well, it's mostly a sea otter fact. But it has to do with urchins. There are some otters that eat so many of a certain kind and color of sea urchins that their bones literally turn the color of the sea urchins. And you can get sea otters with purple bones.

Cortex 19:19 Ah,

Jessamyn 19:20 yes.

Cortex 19:21 I mean, this is like, this is sort of at the Flamingo and shrimp thing too. Right. But yeah, interior instead of exterior. Yeah. Which I was just I was just rereading. There's a book called Bright Earths that I think I talked about, like a couple years ago when I had just read it and it says, sort of history of the development of color in the context of, you know, oil painting in particular as as the main thing but like, you know, the production of colored pigments for use in art over the centuries. Okay. And it mentioned and I'm already forgetting the specific things. So this is kind of silly, but there is an there's a LM ants that reacts to heat in such a way that it turns from sort of a dark grayish black to a vibrant red that is used for producing some some red pigments. I can't remember what it is, but it's what's in lobsters. And I think lobsters. Yeah, and that's why when you cook them they turn pink because they Pacific. Yeah. So at that point, I don't know why Flamingo is turned pink from eating shrimp if the shrimp aren't cooked because the shrimp would be gray, there must be some process involved there that causes the pink color, or this is a totally fake thing. And that's not what happened with the flamingos. I've just been carrying on some.

Jessamyn 20:40 It's beta guaranteed beta carotene. So the algae larva and the shrimp that they eat have a lot of beta carotene which winds up in the air. plumage. All right, according to Encyclopedia Britannica, so I believe

Cortex 20:55 it Yeah, I guess I'm wondering if that's actually the same thing or if that's a coincidence of two different turning things. pinkish, reddish, it

Jessamyn 21:02 seems like it's difficult, difficult different because yeah, get that like sidetracked in the middle of a goddamn word. Yes. Yeah. Because yes, you have to eat a lot of these, but there's no thermal aspect to it. Yeah, yes.

Cortex 21:21 Yeah. All right. Let me goes really, really covering all the bases. Yes. So thank you. Shrimp and lobsters are different than maybe any animal bastards. Yes, that's delightful. I enjoyed em Park made a little post of a video of developing a marble lifting mechanism. You know, there's like marble run things you see sometimes and like museums or marble runs? Well, I mean, there's also the marble Olympics stuff

Jessamyn 21:51 you are talking about. But when

Cortex 21:53 I'm talking about a marble run, I'm yeah, I'm thinking of like the self-contained machine that has marbles going down a bunch of loop de loops, and then some lifter top. Yeah. So this is M Park was working out a prototype of a ball lifting mechanism using a different technique of sort of shaking back and forth to get something to go up a spiral. And it's a it's a nice little video, and it shows off the process. And I find that delightful.

Jessamyn 22:18 So I'm now watching it. Yeah. I love it. Does that work?

Cortex 22:25 It works. That works. It's just it's a timing issue. You gotta like, make sure

Jessamyn 22:30 you've got it like resonate and period. Yeah. Oh my god. I just watched it. I just watched it work.

Cortex 22:39 Yep, it's great. That's another cute little thing. Jason made the bomb dot LOL, which is just a site that gives you random validating statements. Because you know, you're the finest individual. I didn't know you're the greatest white today.

Jessamyn 22:56 I've been I know. I'm the amazing duck today.

Cortex 23:00 Hallelujah. You're the musing body. Hey, anyway, it's

Jessamyn 23:04 Ray. You're the costume brave fellow. I know. misgendered me

Cortex 23:10 Well, that's hard to control for probably but yeah, you could choose your let's try again. I mean, it could be fellow as in like the fellowship, although there weren't really reasonable dudes to really

Jessamyn 23:21 don't even Yeah. I'm the preeminent creature. I'm okay

Cortex 23:26 with Hey, that

Jessamyn 23:28 seems solid. Cool. Well, I liked there are a lot of projects that were just kind of fun. There is this one by pirate bartender zombie monkey who I've enjoyed sort of following around through COVID times talking about explaining gritty, the mascot of the Philadelphia Flyers, but it is in the Belter language which we've talked about. Bartenders zombie monkey and right the Belter language it's just delightful.

Cortex 24:08 That is that is really excellent.

Jessamyn 24:13 Because why not? It's very short. And

it's just fun to watch. I really love sort of, you know, nerd community or nerd like that kind of depth. You know, and it's also nice to have like a nerd language that isn't just whatever that Star Trek languages that people learned coming

Cortex 24:37 on. So we should make a belter clean on dictionary. What? Someone should make a belter clean on translating dictionary. Oh, you're right. Just like really cut out the cut out the middleman. Oh,

Jessamyn 24:51 so bonk Cliff has moved on from this project and now he's got snails but before the snails there was the Quarren train is one of those dads who has a train in the basement and had like, set it up, started setting it up, but then like, stopped setting it up, and then decided to start it up again. And it's basically got all sorts of weird references as part of it. And if you look at the little website that he set up, you can kind of see what you know, he basically kind of explains the explains the jokes in in the corn train, including a truck that loses its top because it runs into one of the bridges of storrow drive, the little tent that people helped him figure out how to get the lay of right in AskMe metal filter, there's a trolley problem, which never gets resolved because the train doesn't actually move. And there's the bottomless pit where everybody got to throw the things they didn't like in I believe for the new year. So it's really great and he did a great job on it. And you know, just following along with his little hobbies has really been enjoyable for me as someone who has not been you know, creating as much for hobbies but likes to kind of hot potato other things around so that other people can see them.

Cortex 26:13 Speaking of which, this is also on his now active new website Jim Morello. MARUO So yeah, his his bold turning work as guitarwork etc. You can look at all that stuff and one can be in place his fish is the is the corn tank up on the website?

Jessamyn 26:34 I don't know. I was asking you. You're the one. I'm looking at website.

Cortex 26:38 I don't I don't I don't see the fish yet.

Jessamyn 26:41 It looks like it's like, well, unless it's in miscellaneous.

Cortex 26:44 I didn't see it there on a class. Anyway, but there's lots of other stuff. Let's find a way to make this about what Jim has not put on his was really put to the fucking

Jessamyn 26:53 I'm really hoping he gets tired of that midlife crisis machine at some point. Which is the the video game like it's a it's a full size arcade video game that plays every game. You know, with all the yes and all

Unknown Speaker 27:08 the other parts? Yeah. Same cabinet. Yes.

Jessamyn 27:12 So cool. So cool. So cool. All right. Yes.

Cortex 27:16 I also on on quarantine arts, there's ko evals has a quarantine collage series they posted, which is a nice collection of it's like texts, like like book and ink and collage. Oh, these are beautiful. Yeah, they're very nice.

Jessamyn 27:35 I didn't see them the first time I love them. And they're available in their shop, which is going to be a plug for the meta filter mall, which is now open all the time. So if you have an Etsy store, or you're selling things in any other place, put a link up in the meta filter Mall. Josh, do you have your Patreon up there? Do we have a Patreon section? We should have a Patreon section Shouldn't we? Oh we should

Cortex 28:01 yeah there's there's a lot of stuff we can sort of revisit and build with this that we want to look at over the next while but it is

Jessamyn 28:07 live and there right now. So yeah, it is live. So

Cortex 28:11 yeah, I've got my Etsy up there right now. So like that's almost entirely line of code prints at this point.

Jessamyn 28:19 Medical stop signs.

Cortex 28:22 I sold a few of the stop signs. Yes.

Jessamyn 28:24 Those are my favorite. I

Cortex 28:25 I'll find a link for that. I didn't post that on the site anywhere but I can just self plug here while I'm at it. But ya know, that was that was a fun project. And I've got another one I need to photograph and put up for sale. Yeah. So I think that's projects. Unless you had something else Oh no.

Jessamyn 28:49 I mean, do you? I don't know. I don't know if all couples have these. But like Jim has this thing where like if I'm saying something to him that he finds disagreeable for some reason, or we're having an argument or something. He has a voice for like how my voice sounds to him and it is brutal. It is so brutal. And you know, obviously we can't always affect how we sound to other people because part of that is being filtered through whatever it is like I clearly don't literally sound like that but definitely when he'll be like Oh yeah, well you said I'm I'm am

Cortex 29:31 I I don't have that and neither as far as I know does Angela

Jessamyn 29:36 maybe I maybe I don't think something truly I'll know about our relationship. I

Cortex 29:41 mean, I that's not a crazy idea. I've heard friends do that. Like you know, I know that happens but I think personally just the specific way I'm wired I think I would be emotionally capable of dealing with that I would be like, Oh my fucking god. Oh no,

Jessamyn 29:54 it's it's really difficult and I tried very hard to not use my like This is how you sound to me voice, which is more of like a hippie kind of Bluetooth. Because it is like it's not helpful. It does not forward the conversation, it stops things dead and makes people feel bad. But the thing for Jim is like the bad voice he hears for me is also kind of like the bad voice he hears for his son's mom. So like, it's just like a bad voice. It's not, it has very little to do with me at least that's what I keep telling myself. So my last project was basically wizzley, a C's, Firefox extension, which you can block certain websites for certain amounts of time. Or you can look at them for a little amount of time after a little bit of delay. But it's actually a really nice, like, very simple little thing that's in the Firefox. Add ons, and it has no reviews. So if you're somebody who uses it, maybe you could like, give them a thumbs up and review it. But it's a it's a nice tiny little functional little add on, and I like it. So

Cortex 31:11 it's great. Yeah, yeah. Nice work with AC. Should we talk about Metafilter? I think so. All right. This won't be the podcast where we don't talk about Metafilter. We'll put it off for another month. I like this post that I went to make this morning and someone else had already made it this morning.

Jessamyn 31:34 Is it about whether you can smoke weed on perm?

Cortex 31:38 No, I haven't seen that yet. Yeah, that was all right. No, some some guy online made some video games have Rumble. Rumble in video games is like controller will remember a little bit when you're walking over rough ground or this earthquake or you're firing your gun and whatnot. Someone was like, hey, what if there was a lot more rumble? And so instead of having a little motor, whatever the name for the specific thing that like, vibrates inside the controller is what if you put like, you know, a giant desk mounted motor on your desk. Oh my god, it's just, it's just like a two minute video. It's a beautiful little edited down version of this thing. And it's like it's just hilariously fucking chaotic. Like his desk is just like vibrating wildly. The computers trying to fall off. It's very satisfying. And I loved it. And I couldn't stop giggling for like five minutes. So check out that post that Alex Farrell for me this morning.

Jessamyn 32:33 Oh my god.

Cortex 32:35 Ah, yes.

Jessamyn 32:41 That is very funny. I saw this, you know, kind of zipper cross. And I was like, I don't even know what that is. And now I do. Wow, that is that is a wacky video. And I didn't even see much of the conversation. So this is a thing which I saw somebody talking about, you know, like, you're like, I don't know, looking at social media. And you're like, why are people talking about that again? And then it turns out,

Cortex 33:09 they're gonna be about Mr. Potato Head.

Jessamyn 33:10 No, although, I have a lot to say about Mr. Potato Head. And I hope there's a thread where I can talk about it. No, this is about all your base, which turned 20 Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ. One we

Cortex 33:24 are. We are skeletons in a tomb. And I'm older.

Jessamyn 33:29 How old were you? When this came out for like, it's just oh my god. I have no idea.

Cortex 33:34 I think I was in college. Yeah. And I was finishing up college when this came out. This was my senior year.

Jessamyn 33:40 I mean, you keep telling me I just incapable remember,

Cortex 33:44 you know, the problem that the problem was retaining personal details about your friends is then you can't talk about it anymore. And the way we do it, where we are incapable of retaining, that means every conversation is a fresh adventure of learning and sharing.

Jessamyn 33:57 That's a really lovely spin on that. Thank you. I'm just gonna move on from that and just not even make any fun of it at all. But I'll pick it apart. Yeah, so it turned 20 Martin Martin with with this. This is just oh, well, you're probably right. Yes, Martin

Cortex 34:21 Marty

Jessamyn 34:25 Marty just posted that and it links to the original YouTube well, it links to the original new grounds where this sort of all started and then the to the long video that's on YouTube and then something else link I didn't even click Oh, the link from Oh god. The 15 year post back it looks like when you could fuck around more with fonts. I mean, you tell me look at this. Look at this post from five years ago. How do how

Cortex 34:59 I think so. Someone probably made a change. I think I actually went and inserted a funky font in there. This is like when we put Comic Sans on the comic.

Jessamyn 35:06 Okay, yes. Move every four great justice.

Cortex 35:10 I mean, probably it's something that frimberger PB did. Yeah. At my request. But yeah, right. Yeah.

Jessamyn 35:18 Yeah. So it's just like a fun nostalgia thread. But like, for whatever reason, like all your bass was probably the first like, Mimi thing on the internet. Like that, that just made me laugh and that I wanted to send to people, you know what I mean? Like, there are definitely other memes that I enjoyed, but not ones where you were like, Oh my God, you have to see this bah, bah, bah, blah, blah. And yeah, I harassed my poor at the time boyfriend with like, How hilarious it was, and but like, looking at this video and all of the cultural touchstones that you know, because that was the thing, right? People would make their own kind of all your base jokes out of other cultural things. You know, like the blood girls, those were those women who had bathing suits with like a Budweiser logo that said Budweiser when they laid next to each other and it was stupid at the time. But it got even stupider when you put all your bass across the front. Yeah. So it was it was a fun thread with the metal filter olds, and I enjoyed

Cortex 36:20 it. Yeah, that's, that's great. Got, it's weird. It is weird moving from the point where like stuff like all your bass, like 10 years ago, all your bass was sort of like, Oh, hey, remember thing. And some people who like hadn't been falling as Oh, I didn't know about that. But now like, we are really literally at like people who were born after it. And who are the sort of contemporary meme culture, who it's not just oh, do you remember this thing? But okay, let me contextualize this thing that you certainly don't know about.

Jessamyn 36:50 From before you were born, right? Yeah.

Cortex 36:53 So definitely, I feel older and older as as far as that dynamic goes, but but I'm also heartened that, like, old shit ends up showing up in the new stuff anyway, like I've so I've been spending time on TikTok since the last poll. I know right? I finally was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go check it out.

Jessamyn 37:11 I can show are you just

Cortex 37:14 I'm on TikTok. Let me see if I can figure out how to talker. I'm a tech talker. I'm creating TikTok content, not very much and not very good. Nobody follows it. But I'm a

Jessamyn 37:26 I'm a real talker, playing my music on the phone. Oh.

Cortex 37:41 I'm just enjoying it. Oh, man, that reminds me of a thing that this might have even come up but I'm gonna I'm gonna find it anyway. Matthew McVicker who has helped the site with development stuff in the past, he helped build the the modern theme for Metafilter there's my brain. I'm trying to type and talk at the same time. It's a bad idea. But he did a remix of the Steve Miller band The Joker accepts the wolf whistle happens after every line. It's it's basically it's exactly what you think it is. And I'll just make a link to it. But I found it very amusing. Anyway, what the fuck was I talking?

Jessamyn 38:26 Your Own? TikTok I might. What? No, I

Cortex 38:29 wasn't okay. I have nothing to say about my own TikTok except for that nobody follows it because I'm just some random and TikTok but I'm enjoying

Jessamyn 38:36 the back six followers. That's followers.

Cortex 38:38 Well, yeah, they're all mefites and they were following back. It's you know, it's it's a good natural healthy. No, it's it's a nice natural, nobody social media situation and I enjoy it. There's a lot of Billy Joel content on TikTok. And I found this mystifying because it's mostly being done by you know, teenagers and early 20 somethings like the core TikTok demographic is doing dances to Billy Joel songs, and I'm like, that's fine. But why? Why are you doing that? And? And I don't know exactly, but like at least two different Billy Joel songs with making a regular appearance. And someone said, Oh, it's probably because of the show the boys. There's a lot of Billy Joel on the soundtrack to that, which I haven't watched the boys but I don't know what it is. It's an adaptation of A I want to say Warren Ellis comic book about sort of vigilante humans who are angry at superheroes for being callous elitists who do collateral damage and don't take responsibility for it. And so it's sort of like a war between these human goons and the superheroes and I don't know, I never read much of it. And I haven't seen the show but it's a thing that exists out there. But I guess there's Billy Joel on the soundtrack and so maybe that's why kids on TikTok are doing dances to Billy Joel songs. But it's it's interesting But like, the the older pop culture is making its way back in, and that I find comforting if, you know, hard to figure out the ideology of sometimes the same way Simpsons is such a big source of like shit posts from people who were born after the episodes of the symptoms, their meaning on aired, like, you know, it's like there is a there's a durability to some of this stuff that is weird and inexplicable. And I really liked that. Yeah, same. What else was? I don't know. I was we were just talking about TikTok in general, I think I was talking I wanted to season about Billy Joel. And I don't know why. And I want you to talk about oh, it's I don't know, old old stuff coming back. Because Are you bass, are you

Jessamyn 40:45 actually, there was a, like TikTok centered post short one that I enjoyed. By Oh, Martin, this again. Wow, I didn't even notice that they had posted the two threads that I was the most interested in. But it was basically like, tic TOCs that pretend to be like, people who are playing in indie rock shows, it's kind of hard to explain. It's a very short thread. But there are just these funny, like, I mean, it's very hard to explain. But it was that kind of indie rock show, you know, you and your six friends watching you know the band that is your other three friends play in some like seedy basement. And, you know, I remember live music and I actually kind of liked it. And I think I miss it more now than I missed it two years ago when I wasn't going to rock Josie them. And then, but this little TikTok trend that Martin points out, was enjoyable. And it was fun to click through. And because like for me, TikTok is great when it's curated through other people, and otherwise, I get a little bit overwhelmed. And so yeah, fine.

Cortex 42:09 Yeah, no, I've definitely had the recently joined TikTok and finding myself losing like an hour and a half to sitting and scrolling thing, which is kind of an endorsement of it being good. But also, it's like, I don't really need to spend an hour and a half watching tiktoks and need to like be a little bit more about hunting down the stuff I want to see. Right. But yes, yeah, no, I had seen a couple of those. And it's yeah, it's funny. It's fun to see people iterating well on it, I think the biggest problem with TikTok is it feels like if someone goes a little bit viral with one of their posts, that's just their life now. And they just need to keep making those, because those are doing well. So you get you really can see when someone hits the limit of like, I already wore this joke out. And then they're just sort of like doing the same thing. Again, it's like, well, you're telling you're telling your joke again. But some people can pull it off. And some people do a bit more

Jessamyn 43:00 person tell them their joke again over and

Cortex 43:03 over again. If that's a joke that you are here for. That's great. You found this perfect little slice of content. But yeah, anyway, I should. I am enjoying things about TikTok. But I don't have like a thesis on it right now. So maybe I'll you know, organized by TikTok thinking some time. But I really enjoyed this post that was made by a stranger f of the ice burger, which is a little program that lets freehand draw an iceberg and it will show how it floats

Jessamyn 43:34 that thing. I stopped putting up pictures. Is it straightforward? Can I click on it right now?

Cortex 43:40 It's straightforward. Yeah, you can click on it and draw or draw while you're doing it. Share the link with me or Oh shit, I'm sorry. Oh, I know it fucking God. Everything's everything's terrible. Why is the world the way it is? Why did I not? See when I open a link in a tab on my browser, you're just supposed to magically know that happened and access it mentally. I shouldn't have to like put it in the appropriate place that we use for sharing.

Jessamyn 44:06 We use for sharing. All right, I don't understand it. Is it? Can you

Cortex 44:10 just draw it just draw an iceberg. Just click on the iceberg. It's out of float and draw an iceberg and see how it floats. And that's how it floats. That's the whole day. It's just so it's just like for anybody not currently looking at our computers grades. It's just a simple little like drawing canvas and you draw a shape and that turns into an iceberg. And then it floats in the water and it sort of rotates until it's in the stable formation. And that's the whole thing. The context is as the post links to there's a geologist mineralogist who illustrated some floating icebergs just to say, Hey, this is this is how icebergs look. And so

Jessamyn 44:48 I just dove underwater. To metaphor Josh. Yep. What do I do an upside down heart?

Cortex 44:58 I guess I guess you'll fuck around and find out. Anyway that that's right as fun as people just talking about stuff they're drawing and linking to their, their icebergs, and I thought it was very delightful.

Jessamyn 45:13 Nice. Yes, I enjoyed it. I made a post that I actually liked, which has become a thing that has really informed some of my media consumption this month. So I would like to share it do basically a goofy word game that these British comics do. And they have been doing it over zoom, and you can watch them do it on YouTube. So the thing itself is called No More jockeys. And it's basically a word game where you name a person, and then you name a category that person fits in. And then everybody else can't name a person that's in that category. And they have to name another person. And keep going until it's impossible to name a person that doesn't fit into one of those categories. It's a little complicated to understand, but if you watch these guys play it, which is Alex horn, Tim key, and Watson Watson Watson, I don't know what Watson's first name is. But there are three comedians, they're all friends, they're all zooming from their place. And, you know, the trick is not to make it too difficult. So you don't start with like, you know, Betty Boop, no more women, you know, because then like, suddenly, you can't name a single female person, but then they'd be like, you know, no, people with really thick hair. And then you can like only name people with, you know, who are bald or who are babies or whatever, you know, no people with repeating letters in their name, no people with this and that. And yeah, part of it is keeping track of all the rules. And then part of it is trying to think of things that fit the rules. And so somebody told me about it, and I was like, Oh, my God, it's amazing. And they were like, oh, yeah, it's Alex Horne from taskmaster. And I was like, from what?

Cortex 46:59 I mean, that's my thought do like, I've heard the name taskmaster, but I do.

Jessamyn 47:02 Oh, my God. taskmaster is this sort of panel, game show in the UK, where it's basically Greg, whatever Greg's last name is, and Alex Horne, who it's Alex's show, but he plays the kind of sidekick to Greg. And then they have kind of five like vaguely famous people you've probably heard of in the UK. And if you're me, you've probably heard of one or two of them in the US. And they're given like these really weird tasks. Like, you have to take these three, like yoga balls up to the top of this very steep hill on a windy day. And you know, you when shortest time wins, but you have to get them all up to the top of the hill and line them up on this yoga mat. Your time starts now. And so you know, you need to kind of find ways to do it. You can't like leave one up there, it'll blow away, but you can't hold all three of them. You know, what do you do? And they're all vaguely wacky. They're all vaguely friends, you know. So it's not a real serious game show. It's more like what's the one that Cleveland Drew Carey does where it's a bunch of Oh,

Cortex 48:08 Whose Line Is It Anyway?

Jessamyn 48:09 Yeah, yeah. You know, kind of like that where the

Cortex 48:12 goal is. Price is Right, that doesn't

Jessamyn 48:16 know not like skinny group do carry kind of medium sized to carry. And yeah, so I've been watching taskmaster, but I got to taskmaster through no more jockeys, which I have also been watching. But

Cortex 48:28 I'm excited about all of us. I think

Jessamyn 48:32 it's like seven seasons that are all on YouTube.

Cortex 48:35 Yeah. Like this basically all sounds like improv comedy role playing slash Mau, which is like, yes. What's the last thing you said, Now, the card game. It's had probably other names too. But that's what I knew it as it's a game where there's like a very simple basic set of rules. But one of the rules is you can't talk about the rules. And if you play a card and you violate a rule someone who is sort of in the knows the rules mode can say hey, draw card and didn't rule based on walls. Oh, Mau Mau is a lot less fun than these sounds. Now it's a lot of fun for i It's funny that I found Mao delightful the first time I played it, because I played it with a few people who were seemingly enjoying the same deductive aspect of it as I was. And then I played it again with some other people's like, oh, well, I'm having no head down because I kind of know this works. But to other people in this game, we're playing close time or having a terrible time. Because it turns out what we're actually doing is teenage psychodrama. The power dynamic abuse game. That's not good. So now is a great game, if everybody specifically wants to play exactly that game and

Jessamyn 49:42 ended up out the same level. Right? It's just like playing Scrabble, where like Scrabble can be fun. If everybody's at about the same level. It's bad if like, one person is either getting murdered, or, you know, doesn't want to use the same dictionary or etc.

Cortex 49:59 Yeah, I would say that dictionary thing is is more on point I, the comparison I would make would be to diplomacy which I've talked about many times in the past, which is a board game, you should absolutely not play with someone who doesn't know that they want to play that game because it looks like a like World War One war strategy game and it's actually a lying to your friends game to get them to help you out so you can stab them in the back. If everybody wants to play

Jessamyn 50:22 with about us, among us

Cortex 50:25 see, I think among us among us would probably be a lot better because it's so cartoony and simple diplomacy would play out over a series of lengthy negotiations. And look, I swear, this is going to be mutually beneficial for both of us. You just need to trust me, hi, hi stabs you in the back. Whereas I'm just like, hey, I came out a vet and stabbed you. Which is much, much quicker much whiplash kind of. Still Still, maybe not the thing for lots of people. I still haven't even played it I've just observed.

Jessamyn 50:50 I have not played it either. But like, you know, Jim and I are really like full up with like, Scrabble and then like a whole bunch of stuff on Board Game Arena. We play like, you know, uno a lot now of all the things we're not well cuz you know, it takes time it's it uses a little bit of brainpower we kind of chit chat through it. And it's a good way to kind of wind down at the end of the day, because you have to focus enough that like, whatever is, you know, your aches and pains you kind of forget about, but it's not challenging that you have to think super hard. Yeah,

Cortex 51:23 yeah. Oh, no, I was gonna say, but someone at some point is gonna make a really good sort of like, Ooh, no, but then some that's a really satisfying league tactically complex card game, and I'm sure it's like, Oh, my God, a dozen of those out there that I just don't know

Jessamyn 51:34 about, oh, my gosh, every time I play this game, I'm like, you know, it'd be really interesting if you could combine colors, and then like, a blue and a yellow on a green. If the numbers add up, you know, like, I have to have, like, extra rules. I would like to add, but because it's an online game, because we are not. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it would both simultaneously be a thing you could easily adjust if it were that kind of platform and a thing you can't adjust, because it's not that kind of platform.

Cortex 52:01 Do you know about board games simulator? I think that's what it's called. No. Yeah, that's what it is. It's it's what it sounds like. It is a free form, like 3d virtual board gaming table with actual physics for cards and tokens and whatnot. That in principle you can use to just sort of play

Jessamyn 52:21 simulator. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Tabletop Simulator. But yeah, I'm just Googling it. I

Cortex 52:26 call it I call it board game simulator. Hmm. Well, anyway, yes, it's a thing. I've never used it. I know that it can vary from being a good way to play games and variations on games remotely, to a good way to literally flip the table and cause chaos, because the physics but you guys could look into that if you wanted to be able to, like, tweak your board games accordingly.

Jessamyn 52:47 To get it on Steam. But it's common games like chess, and then make them into different kinds of games like yeah, like,

Cortex 52:58 Yeah, I mean, you could literally just make a house rule that you could play a blue and a yellow card, and it's a green card. And you know, play with a standard uno set in that game and put those two cards down. And you've agreed that those are the rules. All right, in the way that an Uno app wouldn't let you because like, No, there's no such thing as too. Oh my god. So yeah, I look forward to if you guys get into that I really I want that to be like a YouTube series. Have you guys just playing uno in Tabletop Simulator with

Jessamyn 53:21 with our new rules?

Cortex 53:23 Yeah. Okay to do a Tabletop Simulator podcast sometime if you get into it. We'll do it that as soon thing. That'd be delightful.

Jessamyn 53:30 Yeah, with all our free time and mine.

Cortex 53:32 Yeah. Well, I mean, there's, there's some there's some. It's what I'm doing with that free time if I can be doing some tabletop goofiness instead of carving linoleum,

Jessamyn 53:42 right? Or I can be walking through my neighborhood in the same circles for an hour every day.

Cortex 53:47 Yeah, we have online games and also painting. Oh, sorry. You had a thing? No, I

Jessamyn 53:52 think that's it. Okay.

Cortex 53:55 There was a post by some guy named not on display of a game called Paint WTF.

Jessamyn 54:01 Oh my god, this third was great. I totally forgot it was a lot of fun because can you smoke weed on perm was going to be my mandate not on display posts that I talked while I've

Cortex 54:11 been I've opened up a hole for you there so I'm helping I love paint that WTF is delightful. It's it's a game where you go and draw a picture of a prompt, the prompts seem weird and sort of automatically generated. And then everybody who wants to try and draws it draws it and then some AI judges how good of a drawing of that it is. And so you're competing against other people for bizarre drawings of unlikely prompts judged by an unknowable unknowable AI entity and it's it's a very good time.

Jessamyn 54:39 Yeah, like I drew one that was just like, you know, draw a stick of butter, which is fairly straightforward. Draw the largest cookie, draw a shark that doesn't like to eat fish draw. I can't even remember some of these and there's new prompts every day, I guess, or every so often, and so you can feel Yeah, drug dealer is actually a cat whale on the Titanic. Or Boris was first ranked among butters for a while person who eats their own dog and one of the things I like about it is it's nonsensical but it doesn't turn into one of those things where everybody just draws a penis all the time because that's what most online drawing things turn into.

Cortex 55:24 Yeah, it turns out if you incentivize drawing something other than a penis people are less likely to just default to penis

Jessamyn 55:30 yeah yes switch that is capable of turning up the turning off the sun. Like they're it's and it's fun and it's a very like the paint interface is very straightforward. So if you know you're used to you know, using a mouse you can handle this and paint that WPF is not just the name of the game it's also the web address and the threads still open so if you want to come and share your share your share your drawings and share your captions please do Yeah, that

Cortex 56:00 was super fun get in there there's like another week on that thread still I think Yeah. There was also oh god I Okay. Okay, I guess we're gonna go go Alright good.

Jessamyn 56:14 There was this point Hold on there was this post by wave folklore 724 Who you know it's a it's a little bit of an art tube are you post in some ways about like neighbors being pissed off about other neighbors and having their holiday lights up or down at the wrong time? And you know, the article itself? To be honest, I may not have actually read it because it's on the Washington Post and I may be out of

Cortex 56:42 cookies for the Washington read the first sentence and then close it because yeah,

Jessamyn 56:46 but it became a really long thread about people talking about not only holiday lights but holiday to lights in these weird times. And you know, who's putting up their lights? Why you might want to take them down early. Why if you leave them on all night shining in somebody's bedroom window, maybe you're kind of a jerk, and bla bla bla bla bla and what people's you know, plans are wrt holiday lights, and I liked I liked the thread a lot. I actually did not really read the article. Too close. So

Cortex 57:17 yeah, the front from from this perfunctory Hakuna Matata article comes a a lengthy and detailed conversation among the fights on a topic we didn't know we want to talk about.

Jessamyn 57:28 And that's my favorite. That's like when I'm when metal filter is my favorite, right? When like, there's a topic, you can kind of read about it a little bit, because why not? It's interesting. But then really, you want to talk to other people about how they're feeling and how they're coping and how they're doing with this as a lens or a framework for that conversation.

Cortex 57:47 Exactly. Yeah. And I did not read that thread. So I will take a look at that some point. Yeah, it's the I really, really, really enjoyed, to the point where I feel like I have to apologize for it slightly. But not really, I posted a video called Legend of Beavis. And it's, it's the Legend of Zelda. It's like 10 minutes from an episode of The Legend of Zelda cartoons that they were airing as segments during the Super Mario Super Show back 20 something years ago, I want to say, which was a live action show. That was a live action show, starring a couple of actors as Mario and Luigi, the Super Mario Brothers on a live action set having sort of goofy skit adventures and sitcom like interactions. And then it would have like segments of mostly cartoons of other Nintendo properties, including the Legend of Zelda. And there was some I want to say Kid Icarus stuff, maybe but I'm not sure about that. But it was it was an intended variety show at a time when like Nintendo was this huge sort of youth culture entertainment entity, and it was still sort of like the 20th century broadcast television scene, so this wasn't just an insane pitch. It was like okay, well this is what's on we should find this this whole see if someone's streaming the Super Mario Super Show, which I'm guessing no, but if they are, boy, that'd be a whole fanfare series. Wow. Yeah. When it comes down to is there was among other things, a cartoon of The Legend of Zelda that would air like 10 minute long cartoon segments sometimes during the Super Mario Super Show. And it's sort of beloved slash infamous for being not great. Not terrible. It was, you know what, it was a Saturday morning cartoon. Link would famously at same time, famously a time say, will excuse me, Princess. Yes. Which which may be the most like, weird

Jessamyn 59:46 callback. Yeah.

Cortex 59:48 Yeah. Anyway, so what this post is having done that set up this post is like, I think basically one of those 10 minute episodes is The Legend of Zelda cartoon, but someone doting li remapped. All Have the dialog for both link and for the king of high rules elder's father to be Beavis and Butthead, respectively. And this is the sort of thing where someone could have liked like Beavis and Butthead. Like they used they they sampled dialogue from the abuse and Butthead cartoon series. And they did it doting like, this is something you could have done a shitty job of and made like a dumb minute long video, and I would have been satisfied. I was like, Yes, that's a good dumb idea you had and you did the work. Someone did the work on this, like it's 10 minutes and it's perfect and I just cannot I cannot convey how much this like hit me right in some fucking teenage amygdala spot. Like it's, it's a tremendous piece of work that has no reason to exist, and I'm so glad it does.

Jessamyn 1:00:46 Nice. I love it.

Cortex 1:00:50 And also, if you don't like Beavis and Butthead, you probably will hate it because it's basically

Jessamyn 1:00:54 I don't, but I have talked about Beavis and Butthead a little bit because they were very popular when I was living in Eastern Europe. And excuse me, they are a weirdly, I mean, not so weirdly, probably, but they're a very American thing. And so when I was living in Transylvania, and we would be hanging out with my Australian, sort of counterpart there, who worked with my then husband, and we'd sit down and watch MTV, because why not? Right, like being somewhere with a cool TV was like, unusual enough in the mid 90s, in Romania, and oh, my god, trying to explain both Beavis and Butthead, and Yo MTV Raps, which was also and my friend was not particularly into rap music. And I actually, especially at that time, was really into rap music. And so we would watch Yo MTV Raps whenever we could. But I would have to explain like, you know, what the hell Beavis and Butthead are talking about, and what the lyrics are to the songs that we are watching. On Yo MTV Raps to my, you know, slightly square Australian friend. But it was definitely like, really fun and is probably my most favorite thing when I think about Beavis and Butthead, because otherwise I'm like, Oh, terrible, these terrible young men. So I did link in our list of links to the current taskmaster fanfare. Like there's, there's a season at a time that huffy puffy has posted. So if you want to go talk to people about taskmaster, if you want to start watching taskmaster, there are people there to talk to you about it. Excellent. And I had a couple more posts on Metafilter proper, not many. This one I just liked in general, though, it wasn't necessarily a conversation that I was in. But it's Dr. Nemo is post about the three nations scheduled to land on Mars this month. I know. Right? Right. You could watch on, you know, NASA on YouTube, follow along on twitter. And it's actually a kind of a short thread considering what a big deal it was. And I don't know, it's just very excited. I, you know, I understand some of the arguments about space exploration. But I was just really excited. And also, you know, we've gotten far enough into the world of space, that there are actually a lot of women working in the world of space that they kind of went out of their way to talk to about this to make it a little bit more of a sort of a PR for everybody. situation, and not just, you know, nerdy dudes talk about the stuff. And I got to enjoy my favorite NASA employee blowback for it. outski be back. Yeah. Be on Twitter talking about why, why this is important, even though there are also lots of other things that are important going on in the world nowadays, which is I do not believe a part of that thread, but was something I saw independently. Yeah. And I just went on eBay. And I have a friend who's an infrastructure nerd, as well as a space nerd who is having a birthday that is going to be kinda lousy next month, because COVID birthday is not the best. And I found a one of the commemorative stamps from the Mars Pathfinder mission in 1997 on eBay, and so one of my little projects is going to be to frame that this week and send it twice. Yeah. Mars,

Cortex 1:04:34 Mars, Mars,

Jessamyn 1:04:35 Mars. Did you have anything else from Metafilter? I only have

Cortex 1:04:39 I, I have one more. Okay. And I'm going to resist the urge to try and talk about it in detail because I could go on for a long time and also probably not going to write but I really enjoyed

Jessamyn 1:04:50 this title. Yep. This

Cortex 1:04:53 the somewhat challenging math thing, as opposed clueless made to a video From number file, who we've had a lot of number of file posts before is a guy who does math stuff and does entertaining and reasonably accessible math explainer videos. So anyway, this is this is one of the less accessible ones, it's him doing an interview with a mathematician. I'm trying to remember them, I'll look it up, Avi Winterson, who this was about a half hour interview with that guy, where he's explaining the concept of zero knowledge proofs. And it's a pretty good description of what it is zero knowledge proof. Basically, when we think of a proof traditionally, in mathematics, it's someone writes down, you know, here's how we can establish this fact. And the fact might be that, you know, A plus B equals C and also a plus, you know, I'm coming up with a non example, A squared plus B squared equals C squared, that's the Pythagorean Theorem, it's how you can take a right angle triangle and square the length of both of the sides touching the right angle, and then take the square root of that and you've got the length of the hypothesis, the line connecting those two lines, you can write a proof of that and basically document the steps from what you say, Okay, let's take these assumptions, step by step by step. Now we've established that it must be that in fact, a squared plus b squared equals c squared for these kinds of triangles. So our proof is usually like, literally, it's put on the page, it's known someone has taken essentially credit for establishing this fact, a zero knowledge proof is a weird situation where you have figured out how to do something useful. But you have an interest, probably a commercial interest, which makes us a little bit less sexy immediately, but, but for whatever reason, you have this proof of how to do this thing, you are confident of your ability to perform some operation. And you want other people to trust you that in fact, you have figured that out, but you don't want to tell them how you do it. Okay, so it's not, it's not a proof, it's not a proof where you can say, see, look, just follow my logic, UC, instead, you want people to say, Hey, I'm not going to tell you how I'm doing it, I've got this black box, and you put something in his black box, and you get a correct answer out. And it's a useful black box, but it's mine. I'm not going to tell you and the other person wants to say okay, but how the fuck do I know it works then. And that's essentially the context of a zero knowledge proof, it's a way to establish to someone else's satisfaction that in fact, you do know how to solve a problem without giving them any more information than they started with. And it's a tricky little thing, it's a tricky little thing.

Jessamyn 1:07:40 And the video is a thing you can do

Cortex 1:07:43 anything you do it. And you see this like this comes into things like cryptography sometimes. Basically, if you can, the short way to put it is like, if you can find a way to let someone test a little bit of your black box, again and again and again and again. And every single time you're right, then you have this probabilistic proof. So it's not the same thing as showing them how it works. But if it works every single time, no matter how many times I want to try it to the point where the chances that you're getting lucky are a googolplex to one, then, you know, you'll obviously have a working machine. Like there's no chance that you just got impossibly lucky forever. Right, right. And the details of how that work are the complicated bit to explain the video does a pretty good job of it, it's a little bit dense, the guy has a sort of strong French accent. And he's a mathematician who is used to complexity theory. So he kind of treats some things that are a little bit complicated as if they're sort of simple and trivial. But it's still it's it's pretty good. And there's some other links in the thread and discussion. I was in there trying to sort my way through it, other people were talking about it. And I thought, I thought was really fascinating. And it's sort of in that general complexity theory, territory, but it's also kind of a logic thing. You don't need a ton of math to understand this. It's sort of an idea about communication. It's information theory in the end, right. So yeah, I thought it was fascinating. And it's a whole new wrinkle on some stuff I was already interested in, and other people might enjoy it as well. And that was my short version. Wow. And I am I'm done with metal filter. Shall we move on to AskMe edit filter

Jessamyn 1:09:23 in your haste to make that as brief as possible. You forgot that I have one link left. So no shit.

Cortex 1:09:32 You're right. You're right. See?

Jessamyn 1:09:33 So no, one more

Cortex 1:09:35 I got so caught up that tell me what's good.

Jessamyn 1:09:37 That's fine. It's good to be excited about things. This is a post by rash, which is talking about the special system of below ground trains in Washington DC that moved people under the Capitol and it's actually kind of a longer post than that where rash talks about, you know, stuff that stuff If that came up in the green, an earlier post about Alec Watson, who's the person who I guess talks about this, and some people in the thread have written it, it's not a super long thread. But it was interesting. And it's just a little thing I didn't really know about, and I guess they use maybe linear induction motors,

Cortex 1:10:21 which is yeah, I've never heard of these. I'm looking at this.

Jessamyn 1:10:23 Yeah, it was kind of a cool post just from a couple days ago.

Cortex 1:10:28 That was neat. Yeah, I should say, Yeah, I know that there is that people mover system. But I don't know much of anything about it. The one thing that I do know about it that I think of constantly is actually an unrelated goofy video game thing. In one of the Fallout games, I think Fallout three took place in the Maryland and DC wasteland, essentially. And among other things, you could get into like congressional buildings, and you could get into some version of the Underground trains. And they could take you from point A to point B, or you go through the tunnels, I don't remember the details in the game. But what I do remember is the trains would at least move you could get one of the trains moving. And the way they implemented the trains moving in the game, they didn't write a whole new train physics system. Instead, the train is actually just an NPC, just a person who has an entire train for a hat. And underneath the train, it's just a person walking in the game, but I'm sure there was a medical facility about this

Jessamyn 1:11:34 game. How do you know that's how it works. Because if

Cortex 1:11:37 you pry into the game files and remove some of the level like, like the below the track stuff and pull some walls out, you can see the person there or you can just otherwise dig into the files. I know there's a post about that. I'll find that somewhere. But anyway, that's what the congressional train always makes me think of at all. I'll see if I can find a link.

Jessamyn 1:11:56 Wow. Yeah. Wow. I like that whole idea.

Cortex 1:12:03 But yes, now now. Now, shall we talk about asked about a filter?

Jessamyn 1:12:09 Sure. I would like to give a special shout out to Seattle Pro, who had a question that I did not know how to answer, but then figured out how to answer basically 22 days after the thread was posted. So theatrics if you're listening, please come back to your AskMe Metafilter thread because I figured out how to read alt text within TweetDeck schedule. I am like a big jump up and down are about alt text, which is actually surprising because malt chop doesn't actually handle it. Which we really should, my God, we should. But it's actually kind of tricky, right? All Text is basically the text you use to describe images. And if you're tweeting a picture, it is manners to include some alt text, which you didn't use to be able to do on all platforms. But now you can. But this was a problem theatrical took over a job from someone else who had queued up a whole bunch of scheduled tweets, like a lot of them. But the Metro wasn't sure if they had alt text or even how to figure out if they add alt text. And I believe I believe I figured out an answer using a Greasemonkey script because I'm always curious about you know, getting alt text to do the things I want it to do. And so I found this in the course of doing something else. So the outro please come back to your thread. You will you will maybe find your answer. Nice. I thought so.

Cortex 1:13:48 See, I'm still getting up to I found those links but I'm still getting up to speed on Ask me so I think you should

Jessamyn 1:13:53 okay. I like this thread from Heather Logan talking about making clothes shopping less of a sensory hell. So if you are a person who has you know, sensory issues with the world around you, like you know, sounds or lights or sort of being too close to other people or being in a dressing room, or whatever being different temperatures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, how do you make clothes shopping more manageable and not now obviously pandemic but like later, after the pandemic. So you know, Heather Logan has, you know, autistic sensory sensitivities, as they say, and basically trying to figure out how do I find clothes that fit when I really can't handle certain aspects of the clothes buying experience. And there are a lot of people who have sort of different ways of thinking about the same thing from whether it's wearing like noise cancelling headphones or earplugs or sunglasses or whatever or to like, hey, maybe you should join Stitch Fix or something that can send you a box of clothes in the mail, or, you know, buying some stuff and then getting someone to tailor your stuff, or blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of people sort of autistic and non just talking about the things that have worked for them. And if you're one of those people, this thread is super helpful, because you shouldn't have to reinvent the wheel to try and find an experience that is actually manageable for you. If other people have already been down that road, and it's one of the reasons I really liked that thread.

Cortex 1:15:32 Nice. Yeah. There is, I have I have a very late update on a post back in 2013. Oh, let me find the link here. There was a there was a question back in 2013, from Varian, trying to find a specific blog from a few years back. And now this was a few few years back in 2020 12, in fact, so they were asking about a blog somewhere between 2006 until this night, they saw a link to some site. So it was like, Oh, this is already kind of a rabbit hole. And they they got some suggestions. They didn't find what they were looking for. And then they wrote back earlier this month to say, Oh, hey, I just now remembered that it was this one Tumblr blog that that's defunct. So there we go. So there's the answer for the tiny like, subset of people. We're still waiting for an answer that question the poster found it. And there you go. It's that blog that doesn't exist anymore. You're welcome.

Jessamyn 1:16:34 Yes. From a purely trivia, trivia standpoint, I enjoyed this thread from babelfish. Amusingly, basically, like, hey, we know the first line that was transmitted by telegraph and the first thing that was said on the phone, but what about other methods of communication that were transmitted or recorded? Do we know what was the first like fax or the first things recorded to a wax cylinder or transmitted over ham or burned on a CD? Or whatever? And so great question. Yeah, right. And it is a lot of user fluke, Fluke fluke, basically has many of the early answers to this. But the first webcam, the person who doesn't who invented email doesn't remember, you know, the first words transmitted from the moon. There's a history of digital recording. So it's a not super long. Thread, with a lot of really interesting first, the first YouTube video, the first tweet, which is from Jack, Jack. And

Cortex 1:17:50 I mean, to be fair, the first of the first MySpace posts was probably from Tom so nobody hates

Jessamyn 1:17:55 Tom the way they hate Jack. And as near as true I love Tom, Tom wasn't as much of a tool as Jack is so easy.

Cortex 1:18:03 There was less of a sense that Tom even existed is part of what I remember. Like, like, I don't think Tom had to show up at any congressional hearings that I recall. Like, there's, there's honestly, there's probably a certain effort required to become infamous as the person who posted first on your social media site, rather than just some guy people vaguely remember? True like we all remember Tom because he was everybody's friend.

Jessamyn 1:18:28 Right? Well, I mean, you know, that was a good if he exists.

Cortex 1:18:32 I'm kind of going with what everybody else seems to say that he did, in fact exist because like, he's the perfect non existent dude. He's just like, some dude, some smiling random dude, or no, no,

Jessamyn 1:18:42 he was a real he was a real guy. Tom Anderson, he lives in Hawaii. He's living his best life right now.

Cortex 1:18:51 Go, Tom. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:18:52 I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you

Cortex 1:18:54 his curtain Nazis.

Jessamyn 1:18:56 Right. I don't know what the Nazi situation is on MySpace, but I bet there wasn't much of one. Speaking of Nazis, I have a question or not a question. I have been asked,

Cortex 1:19:06 asked while I typed into my browser to see what happened. That's exists still. I of course, like, in some form, like it doesn't look like MySpace, but,

Jessamyn 1:19:15 um, this was a question that chaebol though che bluedot che bluedot asks, like, Okay, what do you call the kind of research that Q anon types? Do?

Cortex 1:19:32 I love that he's got the SpongeBob they've got the SpongeBob capitalization.

Jessamyn 1:19:37 You've heard me complain about this a lot, right? That like after 911. Everybody claimed that their heavy social media, they were not even social media. They're heavy internet, like trawling was research right. And I felt like as the librarian, it kind of denigrated what the actual idea of true research is, which is different from Um, that I mean, they're both looking things up. And they're both important in their way. But people started bandying about the word research a lot. And, you know, the Q Anon, people spend a lot of time being like, rah, do your research, you know, like, I did my research. And so, you know, this users kind of like, so what is it even called, like, there's some sort of organizer, and that helps these people do the things, but like, what is it kind of called if you're not inside of that, the kind of work that they are doing to find out the information that kind of builds on that conspiracy? I mean, for lack of a better sort of explanation. And so it's people talking about the the notion of how we know things and how we, how we learn things, and you know, how these people seem to think they know things. And it's, it's a really interesting, it's really interesting thread looking a little bit at Q anon. But mostly looking at about sort of how we learn know things and form our sort of knowledge. Knowledge bases.

Cortex 1:21:07 Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, that's interesting that I mean, that's a subject I yeah, I continue to have a sort of anthropology, anthropological, interesting, while also wanting to sort of keep myself away from in sort of direct exposure as much as I can. It reminds me to and I don't know if this came up in the thread at all, but there's Adrian Han, and Dan Han, the brothers Han,

Jessamyn 1:21:30 I was just talking to Dan Hahn this week. He wants to start up a funny internet nerd panel show.

Cortex 1:21:36 That sounds delightful. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:21:39 He was saying we should be on a team together. And I was not sure that would be a good idea. Or maybe it would be I don't know, but yes, sorry. Go. I

Cortex 1:21:48 would I or you and he okay. It could be entertaining. Yeah. Right. See if it might turn out that would be very good being on opposite teams. Anyway, Dan Han, Adrian Han, both have written in the last six months, I want to say about sort of Q anon as a reflection of our args. Oh, right. Right. Right, had an interest in and sort of doing some good smart writing about kind of the similarities. It's not it's not that Q anon is an ARD. It's that there are structural similarities. And I think that gets into that sort of, quote, unquote, research question. Because like research is sort of like digging for clues in this context, right. And it's not necessarily about the quality of your research, it's for your, it's down to your ability to find and like dig up some connection and like, the doing of it is almost its own reward. Like that's the hit of dopamine you're getting. And that's probably part of that is probably part of it. Like that's, that's why the notion of research. When you're you're really just like looking at it and saying, Okay, well, that fits the puzzle.

Jessamyn 1:22:59 Fun in that context.

Cortex 1:23:01 Yeah. But then yeah, you make it something that's a fucking conspiracy theory. There's also, there's a great pile of work called this is not a conspiracy theory by a guy named Kirby Ferguson, who I know a little bit via XOXO stuff. And in fact, he recently did a video that has 10 seconds of me singing a dumb song on it. But he's been looking at the q&a and stuff too, but this is not conspiracy theory stuff is going back before that he's probably best known for his work on Everything is a Remix, which is something he had been working on several years ago. Anyway, that those, all of that is interesting. And I'll take a look through the thread. See if it actually makes sense to mention any of that in there, because I could probably add a comment. It's still Oh, yeah, it's weird stuff. It's weird fucking stuff.

Jessamyn 1:23:46 I do have one more brains. Oh, sorry. Oh, boy.

Cortex 1:23:49 No, that's all just people brains are weird speaking, speaking of people whose brains are damaged in bad socially maladjusted ways. Tell me more about the naughty thing. Well,

Jessamyn 1:23:57 no, it's just a basically this is from Edison and his uncle died, and they found a large piece of red material with a swastika in the middle with a ton of military patches.

Cortex 1:24:10 So right.

Jessamyn 1:24:12 What is this? Is this a captured flag? Is this something else? Like there's a link to it? If you want to sort of see what this looks like? Zamboni and some other people are sort of pulling out what every single pin on the thing is. It's in fact, it's mostly a Zamboni thread. Really. And basically, they found the flag while cleaning out episodes wife's parents house. The father was a World War Two veteran. And so basically trying to sort of figure out if this flag is like safe to donate, can you put it in a museum like obviously you don't want to sell Nazi memorabilia for a number of reasons. But you know, they're now trying to figure out like Where might be a good place for this If anyplace, because obviously you can't hang it on your wall, but like it does represent a certain moment in time or a certain moment in history and do you do something with that? Yes or no? So at any rate, yeah, it was a it was a neat thread and way to go, Zamboni for doing a lot of work in that thread.

Cortex 1:25:19 Yeah. Bringing that knowledge, yes. I've got one other asked me that I have sort of earmarked as something that I want to look through. Cuz I like the premise, which is pre war lemonaid. Posted asking about podcasts about process basically, talking to artists or craftsmen and creative people about their process and work which is the thing I'm really interested I posted and asked me about this at one point about I think just oil painting specifically few years ago when I was first getting into that. But just in general hearing people sort of dig in on like the how they do a thing, I tend to really enjoy that I've really, there is something there's something really interesting and gratifying and I think genuinely educational about hearing people talk about the way they go about working through something that's different from just looking at the thing they've made which can be very gratifying its own right and can be educational, its own right, but can be very sort of static. Like if you just you watch enough movies, you're gonna figure out some stuff about filmmaking, you watch someone talk about filmmaking, you're gonna learn a whole bunch of other different things. You know, if you watch someone paint, you're gonna see things about that painting that you don't see when you just look at the painting at the end.

Jessamyn 1:26:30 Well, and it's like the, whatever they're called on DVDs, when there's like a special kind of commentary track that tells you like, kind of what was going on in the director's mind or the actress mind,

Cortex 1:26:43 Director commentary stuff,

Jessamyn 1:26:45 it can really enrich the experience of watching that movie, especially for a second viewing or whatever, and you learn more not just about that movie, but about the whys of going into it, which I find really, really interesting.

Cortex 1:27:00 Yeah, so this looks like a nice list of like, there's a solid dozen answers here of of podcasts that look like they are in that vein, and I'm excited about that, because I could use mixing up by podcast listening a little bit. So yeah,

Jessamyn 1:27:14 I have a couple like odds and ends Metafilter threads. Speaking of movies, there was this thread, which is from ensemble somnambulist talking about like, movie props. Like a thing. You couldn't buy a reproduction of like it's not that popular, but like diehard fans would totally recognize it, like the fertility idol from Raiders of the Lost Ark or the flux capacitor from Back to the Future or the puzzle box from Hellraiser.

Cortex 1:27:48 I am an idiot. I just didn't mean it was like none of these are from diehard why?

Jessamyn 1:27:54 Oh, why would it be? Because you're willing to buy why are

Cortex 1:27:57 the John McClane used in the vents? Like what would even be like as the sign that says, I have a gun now? Hello? Sorry, please go on, please. I've caught up with the fucking universe now.

Jessamyn 1:28:08 That's fine, that's fine. And so it's just different people trying to pull out like props that would be immediately recognizable, but haven't really been commercialized into a thing. So some stuff. Twin Peaks, some stuff from Army of Darkness. A lot of the printed stuff from Wes Anderson films where they carefully crafted these things. Excuse me. Crystal Ball from The Wizard of Oz the oscillation over thruster from buckaroo. Banzai, I remember, in fact, what's his name, Adam Savage. Had a big thing about, oh, I'm only going to remember half the story. But like he had some relationship to the Maltese Falcon, that I cannot remember now. Like either making a replica of it, or trying to purchase a replica of it or trying to purchase one of the original replicas of it. I'll have to off to look it up. Because I remember, you know, because he was, you know, a big prop master before.

Cortex 1:29:14 Sure.

Jessamyn 1:29:18 Whatever their show was called The Untouchables, the unwatchable. What was it called?

Cortex 1:29:25 Mythbusters. Yes.

Jessamyn 1:29:30 I don't even Yeah.

Cortex 1:29:35 Wow. I mean, I kind of I kind of feel you there's a sense of like, truth. This. Can I like that show? Don't

Jessamyn 1:29:41 get me wrong. I don't know what's wrong with my brain right now. But um, yes. So Adam Savage. Talking about the Maltese Falcon. I'll have to try and figure that out. But the thread was fun. And then just kind of a last thread from man in suit, who basically like many of us is going on around doing you know doing exercise to try and you know stay sane while we're not going out as many places so they want to go and spend time with their six year old that are fun for both of them. But the six year old kind of gets bored just doing a walk, you know? Sure a walk is not six Yeah, walk is not necessarily fun they live in Toronto. There's residential stuff and commercial stuff what are some things you know and sometimes they go somewhere and like get a snack but like you can't just turn it all into like snack trips right? So the kid likes dinosaurs cat books and snacks. What are some ideas and so you know people suggest like geocaching playing alphabet games taking photos ID being you know cats looking at you know this that or the other what are some unusual houses Pokemon GO and so you know it's not a bad list for basically anybody to get more out of your walk or find things that would be neat and the very last update from February sixth they went geocaching and had a great time.

Cortex 1:31:14 Excellent. Yeah, I was gonna say geocaching or Pokemon Go are the two things that jumped to mind for me but I don't need this question. Because their point that they don't want to keep walking the bakery too much is not a concern. I am letting myself have I'm going to walk to the bakery every fucking day because I go for a walk and I get a bakery treats. So you know. But I'm an adult and I can I can get all the carbs I want and no one can stop me.

Jessamyn 1:31:39 Yeah, go do it. And in fact, I have a local friend this is not a metal filter thing to the best of my knowledge. Oh, yeah. Was there Mr. Potatohead? Post potato?

Cortex 1:31:48 I don't think so. Okay,

Jessamyn 1:31:49 um, a friend of mine wrote a thing about was in life hacker basically how Pokemon Go turned him into a burger. Nice because you know, he was often going out looking for birds like in the Pokemon version, but then would find birds in the real life bird version and kind of got into it and it was just really cool. So he's got a sort of a young kid and a toddler and so they've been looking for things to do outside and doing bird stuff has been part of it, which I thought was really neat.

Cortex 1:32:22 Nice. That's rad.

Jessamyn 1:32:24 I thought so. I think I have reached the end of my thing. There is a lot of stuff conversations etc going on in meta talk. Texas people let us know that you're okay. A lot of questions about like comfort media and the is now one of the also on if you want to play meta filter people in chess I did a thing about your own theme park and yeah stayed at the site's up and vaccination success stories thread and there's a couple other couple other nifty little things going on.

Cortex 1:33:02 Yeah, there's there's there's discussions of all sorts of you if you're into it. And and I mentioned this in the state of the site posted I had forecasted previously too, but restless Nomad who has been working here again for the last six months or so she took on some organizational rework stuff did some kind of like being the what were we saying the executive function versus essentially that's what you call it? Yeah. Yeah, she was she was she was getting stuff done and helping us figure out better plans for getting stuff done. And she's done a fantastic job. We have some much better habits built up now. But she is back off to do other stuff. So yes, just a verbal thanks again. Restless nomad.

Jessamyn 1:33:41 Yeah, read me. Well, restless nomad. Yeah, thanks for all the help.

Cortex 1:33:45 Yeah. Yeah, I don't. I don't have anything else to cover. My ears are sore. I think we should do a podcast. Ah,

Jessamyn 1:33:53 well, my ears are still doing okay. But I may be out of stuff to talk about. And I'm gonna be talking to the Internet Archive about Interlibrary Loan later on today. So wish me luck with that weird conversation. I will be thinking of you. Thank you.

Cortex 1:34:11 I have an idea. I want you to I want you to stop the podcast. I want you to end us on a note and also shut the fuck up and see what

Jessamyn 1:34:17 oh, so we're not going to talk about like how your cat needs medicine, all the sunlight or some right? Yeah, well, it's a sunny day outside and I think I'm probably gonna walk to the bottom of my steps and see what's going on in the big wide world and I hope you have a great day ahead of you too. Josh. Right back at you. Nice talking to you.