Podcast 15 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 15: Call-ins and recaps (2007-09-10).

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mathowie 0:00 Hey Jessamyn Welcome to the metal filter podcast. Welcome to Episode 15 of the metal filter podcast this week we take questions from calls and do a little recap of metal filter and AskMe edit filter. All right, here's the first call.

Unknown Speaker 0:25 Hello, Matt and Jessamyn and everybody else out there Nephi land. This is John MC checking in on the story in New York. I remember way back somewhere, Matt sits to the effect of that he wanted minute filter to be a place where people could hear a lot about an issue or a topic and possibly even have their minds changed about a topic and that just wondering if that's ever happened to you on the site? And if so, where and how that will be interesting. See how the whole project is progressing. So good night and the dictators rule. Just so you know. All right, everybody have a good one. Bye.

mathowie 1:14 Dictators rule.

Jessamyn 1:15 I don't remember him sounding so much like Jack Nicholson when I met him, well,

mathowie 1:21 dammit. retarded. Okay, just hover over the pause button when you get to the end. Did you ever get your mind changed? Yeah, happens me all the time. It happens to me all the time. Especially if stuff I didn't even know was controversial.

Jessamyn 1:41 Like, here's the most recent Oh, sorry, go on. Oh,

mathowie 1:43 I was just thinking. Just all the parents stuff. You know, before I had a kid that rebound asthma filter, and I had no idea what I was getting into. Just, you know, circumcision. Like all those things. I just didn't know. Those. Definitely medical third discussions helped me form opinions about lots of stuff.

Jessamyn 2:02 I actually had what I consider to be a strong opinion change this week. Somebody posted a does that noise come through that irritating Google Mail noise?

mathowie 2:14 Do you hear it? Now? Sir? Like your finger on a microphone or something?

Jessamyn 2:18 Okay, no, um, there was a there was a thread and asked Metafilter about swimming. This guy started swimming. And he swims in the ocean. And he wanted advice. And you know, I swim all the time. So I was like, Oh, I have tons of awesome advice for you. You know, I know everything about everything. And then somebody else was like, actually, if you're doing crawl, you know, freestyle, you should do bi directional breathing, you should breathe like from your left side and from your right side. And I was like, oh, no, like, that's bad advice for a new swimmer. And no one does that. And then it was one of those like, confirmation bias things. As soon as I was like, no one does it. I realized that every single person that I see swim swims that way, but me. Like, did I just, I don't know what I was thinking, like, I learned to swim, you know, 30 years ago, 35 years ago, and that's how you swam then. And that's how my dad learned to swim. And then I suddenly realized that like, oh my gosh, I've been not doing it wrong, but not keeping up with modern method. And so damn, basically posted something because she's another like real serious swimmer who like, Oh, my God kicked everyone's ass in that swimming challenge. And then I started reading about it. And I, I've been learning how to do it this week. It's hard. I mean, it's hard if you're not doing it, though, is

mathowie 3:33 do it the same way in a pool. And in the ocean. It's more like I breathe when I can anyway.

Jessamyn 3:40 Well, that's what people were saying to they're like, dude, if you're in the ocean, you have to do like, you have to do it totally different anyhow. But like, to the larger question, like, yeah, I find that not only do my opinions change, at least somewhat, but I think that I definitely have learned and part of this is probably just getting older. But part of this is metal filter, that like people who have opinions that are different from mine. Like, I've become a lot more tolerant of people with different opinions that I used to think were like, totally insane. And now I'm like, Oh, I could see where you're coming from. Like, I don't agree with you, but I get that people who hold those beliefs. Don't just hold them because they're crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah, like you know, sometimes religious stuff sometimes politics stuff.

mathowie 4:27 Interesting stuff around the edges of major stories like even the Larry Craig's Senator guy thing like,

Jessamyn 4:34 right that third is still going the most recent thread but

mathowie 4:38 in the entire story, you know, I don't know cruising bathrooms like why is that against the law? It is kind of thought creamy. Like, like what law did he break and just like responding in a right I want to get it on way like what law? I want to have sex like, if I just said that in the room. I'm BREAKING what law exactly like that? I would say.

Jessamyn 5:03 So you'd put a cop in a restroom to like,

mathowie 5:06 in? Yeah, yeah. So as much as I want to see hateful dude who legislate against himself go away. It's like we're just like a non crime that like he didn't do anything yet but

Jessamyn 5:21 right but if you read about it in the paper, it's as if he were, you know, some sort of crazy pedophile or something like that break an obvious

mathowie 5:29 Yeah. Another another major one I would say polyamory like completely from AskMe edit filter and stuff and people talking about it that was something I can never wrap my head around I thought people were fucking crazy. And now I started at the level of well, you know, whatever floats your boat. Well,

Jessamyn 5:46 it's also like, I love those people are crazy, just like some of the straight people are crazy. Like some of the gay people are crazy. Like they've got their same share of crazy,

mathowie 5:55 I just realized that some people can, I don't know, compartmentalize their brain and I like this person. And now eight hours later, I like this person. And that's fine. Like, I can't do that. But other people can. And I can respect that.

Jessamyn 6:06 Well, and you definitely hear about the kind of range of different kinds of relationships to which I find the most interesting thing as someone who's like, yeah, pretty like, boy girl dating whatever, like, yeah. And you listen to people be like, Oh, this is how it works for us. And they're just these normal people that you know, from around and yeah, you're like, oh, just sounds so reasonable. When you say it that way.

mathowie 6:29 I would have written you off as a crazy person. Okay, so next one, the next one,

Jessamyn 6:35 and I'll hover over the pause button. Ready?

mathowie 6:37 Ready, go.

Unknown Speaker 6:40 Hello, this was long from Ranger. And my question may have something to do with policy. But I was wondering, about a week ago orthogonality posted something about me phi University, using the collective brain trust of Nephi to help us all be a little less bored and ignorant. And the post was favorited a lot. And there were a lot of commentary on it. And in follow up, I think dark forest provided a lot of good content to it, and Lazarus long, took it upon himself to set up a PHP forum. And since then it sort of languished. And I wonder if there was not very much by and I think from maybe the admins of Nephi. And I wonder, maybe if they were waiting for it to be put up as a project or you know, maybe framed a little better, or if it was just something that got missed. I think that maybe meta filter would be a good jumping off point for filtering, some sort of academic, not necessarily a blog, but sort of a collective. And I don't know if maybe ortho and Lazarus long and dark forest have talked to each other a little bit more about it. Because there seem to be a lot of views on the PHP forum, but not a whole lot of feedback. And I was just wondering what the status of that project was. Maybe more of a meet up post. But anyway, that was my question, sort of trying to kickstart that project. Thank you all and good day.

mathowie 8:33 Yeah, um, I think this is like any one of the number of sort of spin off ideas, it's a great idea. Let's have a reading club, or let's all go watch the same film and then come back and talk about or let's, let's all like, you know, do some what, MIT coursework at the same time, and together, we'll tackle whatever. Those things always languish on the vine, when they have to go somewhere else. I mean, they have to be kind of, it's weird. It's got to be sort of centralized. And so almost like we need to set up a new sub site for it, and then But then there has to be enough demand for it, that everyone's gonna jump on board and keep it going. Otherwise, it kind of just languishes.

Jessamyn 9:17 Well, like the cycling challenge, or the Yeah, the cycling challenge was a totally like, happening thing, I think part because people could communicate about it, you know, in metal talk occasionally, but then, you know, save their data and, you know, do the sort of Dick measuring stuff on the other side. And, you know, I think me if I universities would have to kind of do the same thing. The problem is if it lives at metal filter.com You may, Josh and PB, all have to kind of pay attention to it. And if it doesn't, we don't. And, you know, I think I think it's

mathowie 9:52 just hard to find and yeah,

Jessamyn 9:55 I think yeah, but I mean, the wiki relaunched, you know, and that's got like a little bit of support. Got a link? I mean, there, there could definitely be like a page on the site that was a little bit more clear about the spin off projects. Yeah. But I think like, like sports filter, it's just got to have its own critical mass, you know.

mathowie 10:17 And it has to be something people remember to keep going back to. I mean, we could definitely link up these things. I think there's sort of this middle ground of enough demand nowhere more than one, more than a handful people think something is a good idea. But then you need so much demand where it's like 1000s of people are dying, ready to try it. And then somewhere, when you're somewhere in the middle there just like has a high chance of not going very far.

Jessamyn 10:45 Yeah, well, I think you need somebody who's really going to be in charge of it and wrestle it be like, Hey, guys. And

mathowie 10:52 did you read your book? Like, it's?

Jessamyn 10:55 I don't know if ortho wants to do that or not? I mean, I have to admit, like, I haven't been over there. But it's been a particularly busy set of weeks for me. Yeah. I mean, I find it an interesting topic.

mathowie 11:05 It sounds like a good idea. I mean, there is all this free stuff. And hey, we're all whatever. 30 something or 20 something and we can all be less stupid. We could all learn something. So yeah, I don't know some sometimes things need to be top down. Sometimes those things need more people bottom up wanting it

Jessamyn 11:27 and maybe there should be another metapost about it to talk about it. I think there's a yeah,

mathowie 11:31 there's a bit there's a humongous divide between this is a cool idea and the 1000 people saying are dying for it and make a new site or something. And fortunately, a lot of things languish in that mental space. All right. Let's see the next one. Hold on, hold on. 2016.

Unknown Speaker 11:52 Okay, all right. Good, a metal filter. Its energy 2000 here. And my question in today's podcast is, Will Metafilter ever see a major redesign? Is this in the works anytime soon or not? It looks great. But it's been the same since 1999. I'm just wondering if that will ever change the look of it. Anyway, thanks for the great site. And it's not true. And I look forward to hearing the podcast. Peace out all right.

mathowie 12:24 Oh, Australian accents are so cute. Um, I guess I've changed minor things, right. But if any, any of our past has taught us anything, it's any teeny tiny minor change results in a humongous backlash from everybody about every little thing.

Jessamyn 12:44 I think this all started because you had a redesign contest. And if you've never had a big design contest, people would never be talking about this.

mathowie 12:51 No people talk people talk before it's like it looked the same since 99. And now it's kind of ridiculous. It's like, oh, retro or whatever. It's so dated looking at now it's kind of funny and cute.

Jessamyn 13:06 Oh, we got got that X, you know, number of days since of banning there's been all sorts of design changes. I

mathowie 13:14 know I may have cleaned up lots of little things. I just can't do major. I mean, I did the redesign contest. I thought clean slate, you can do anything you want. Make it white if you want. I did stress like try and make it white. And that was why I put up whatever a couple 100 bucks.

Jessamyn 13:33 Just cheat so it's white for me all the time.

mathowie 13:37 Yeah, I just want to see completely new ideas of how things could go and it was okay, but

Jessamyn 13:44 Firefox Greasemonkey land now redesigns are less of a big deal. Like what you want is standard data formats and like tagging and like decent markup so that people can just use grease monkey to make it look however they want. Right?

mathowie 13:57 Yeah. And there's that whole style the CSS sharing stuff now? I don't know. Not everyone's on Firefox still. But yeah, I don't know if I'll ever do a major completely clean slight redesign of meta filter, probably.

Jessamyn 14:13 You'd have to camp out and spend the next week in meta talk.

mathowie 14:17 And everyone would protest and say they don't want to come here anymore and all that stuff. I'll probably just continue to do small refinements. I mean, I changed the header and footers, you know, a year ago or something and tweak them every now and then still to this day. We have tables, you know, tab views of the data, different ways.

Jessamyn 14:38 Rounded tab use for those in IE seven right? Those not in I've never seen them. I've only seen them on Flickr,

mathowie 14:45 only Safari and betas and Firefox. Um, so yeah, probably not a humongous read is

Jessamyn 14:56 your answer is no. Yeah,

mathowie 14:58 no Get this go the next one to 4220 42. Okay. 123

Unknown Speaker 15:09 Hi, this is persons from question.

Jessamyn 15:15 He said from Metafilter.

Unknown Speaker 15:16 Why is the mouse when it spins? Second question is,

Jessamyn 15:22 well, what's on the site somewhere? Maybe you can

mathowie 15:30 Why is the mouse when it spins with that?

Jessamyn 15:34 I think the answer to why is a mouse when it spins, the higher the fewer. I mean, that's, that's what Google tells me.

mathowie 15:41 Oh, is that?

Jessamyn 15:42 Oh no, it's a non traditional joke.

mathowie 15:45 Um, and why sounds so awesome.

Jessamyn 15:48 I'll send you a link Johnson so awesome, because he's in fucking marketing. That's why Johnson is awesome. Who's it? Paige? Johnson is awesome, because that's his job. But I mean, you know, there since may just be trying to draw attention to his own completely awesome posts lately. I believe that him and Johnson are having some sort of awesome contest. And maybe we should. Awesome. Maybe we should just, we should just replace you and me with with those two.

mathowie 16:15 Wow. So I'm looking at the last seven days and most favorite things. I met a filter Johnson's on there four times their shins is and he's up there, one near the top. But Jonathan's on there four times, including the

Jessamyn 16:28 top spot. So yeah, dude, both of them. I mean,

mathowie 16:31 yeah, five times I miscounted. Johnson is still killing it.

Jessamyn 16:36 Yep. And he's now been mentioned in this podcast also. So that's usually somebody's goal

mathowie 16:42 update. Alright, next.

Unknown Speaker 16:45 Hi, this is Katie. That's K eight t. And I was wondering, do you admins try to guess who the people that post anonymous questions are? Do you go back into previous usernames and try to figure out exactly who it is. Thanks so much. Bye.

mathowie 17:04 Oh, it was pronounced as Kate but like, It's Kate the

Jessamyn 17:08 case? Yeah, I pronounced it. Katie. I

mathowie 17:10 think the knowing the anonymous questioner sounds really amazing. At first the idea of it, and I can see why people ask about people asked about that a lot. That you'd be like, Oh my God, it's awesome. You get to hear everyone's dirty secrets. But the truth is, I don't even pay attention to 99% of them. Because they're always just some I get this money marketing account, or should I move out? Or should I dump this guy?

Jessamyn 17:36 They're all just, they're all money anonymous. A lot of them anyhow, money

mathowie 17:39 or sex or relationships? And they're all you know, I don't know, I don't remember, you know, more than 100 username. So they're coming from 1000s of people. So it's, it's impossible even keep track. It's just like once in a blue moon something really ridiculous or possibly illegal or frightening or come out? And they'll be like, who asked that? Like, because I'm only looking at the anonymous pile, which is fully anonymized? And I thought, yeah, to kind of guess who? asked it? It's not a perfect one. The one thing as we said before, but I don't know, once a month, I might go God who asked about that?

Jessamyn 18:22 Yeah, I feel like there was one about like, somebody who slept with some celebrity or something. I was like, I'm really curious which person that is. But no, I mean, half the time. Yeah. Even if we look at the list of people who have asked questions, not linked with their questions, like I don't even know if they're male or female. So, I mean, obviously, there's certain people you you kind of know, but yeah, no, I never I don't think about it much. I just, yeah.

mathowie 18:49 It seems like something amazing on the surface, that would be this awesome secret view into, you know, this world of your friends or something online, but it's not that fascinating. Everything's all pretty much normal questions.

Jessamyn 19:05 Yeah. And so I don't I don't pay that much attention to it, I guess. Which is helpful. Because, you know, you don't want to go to meetups and be like, Oh, you're that guy with that problem.

mathowie 19:16 What is the pile running at? Like? I mean, I'm not even a premium all much anymore. Very quickly. I only do like one or two a week.

Jessamyn 19:24 I do a couple a day. Usually. It seems

mathowie 19:27 like four or five a day still are coming in? Maybe? Yeah, I think so. We probably by posting almost all of them.

Jessamyn 19:35 No, no 75% 60 75% Because there's a lot of just like, why is this anonymous? I don't understand that sometimes people post again, or they email or, or whatever. I mean, the thing that's so weird to me about the anonymous queue is how like, all of a sudden they'll be like 20 questions when there was like a couple a day for a week. And then like everybody has to get their asked on for some reason all this longtime users, they're not new people. Yeah. And yeah, but it's not just the weekend. I mean,

mathowie 20:07 sometimes it's when people are reminded when they see one, they go, Oh, I always wondered about that thing. Right, that I can't talk about. They definitely come in waves. I've noticed that. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 20:19 Hey, it stops calling from Toronto, calling with my question. And I'm wondering whether or not you have a metal filter related business card? And if so, what your title is? I'm guessing the answer is no, but I am curious. I'm also wondering whether either one of you have ever been recognized by the fight that maybe you otherwise hadn't met? You know, as, like a celebrity, you get good tables, off traffic tickets or anything like that?

Jessamyn 20:51 That would be great.

mathowie 20:53 I did not travel tickets. I think that's the fantasy, right that, like, if you have to go through any sort of pain or something, or if you do anything, that seems like a drag in the world? Well, hopefully there's some upside. Right. And I don't know if there is,

Jessamyn 21:08 well, I think that's what people always want to know. Right? Like, what do you trade your social capital for? Right? And I think the answer is usually nothing free time. You know, like,

mathowie 21:20 oh, so wait, let me go back the I don't have cards and people reporters always asked me what to call me. And I'm usually saying founder or creator of Metafilter.

Jessamyn 21:31 Founder is like, what happens when they don't let you work there anymore? No, right. We're gonna get we're gonna call you found or when we change your password.

mathowie 21:39 Um, what was the other one? The second one? Oh, yeah. Oh, the weirdest sighting of me ever was, uh, I went out with friends. I was in Seattle, visiting friends. We walked down the street. They lived in a cool bar Seattle. We walked down the street to a bar. We had a drink. Then we had dinner at this place. And we walked back to the house. And when we got back to their house,

Jessamyn 22:01 I checked. This was it. I used to live in Seattle.

mathowie 22:04 It's like the main drag through ballot not Ballard. What's the other one Wallingford? Like, wherever that main drag through Wallingford is? Yeah. Yeah. So we just walked they lived right off that street. We walked, you know, one block at dinner came back. There's an email from someone that was in the bar that was like, Hey, were you just at this car bar and drinking something? I was like, yeah. And they're like, I thought that was you. I don't think anyone ever said Oh, my God, that unless I was at like, South by Southwest, or it's like, nerds will be here. And you know it.

Jessamyn 22:39 Yeah. I mean, you know, there was the crazy story of waiting in line for the iPhone where I ran into that guy who had been the subject of a metal filter posts, but he didn't

mathowie 22:48 recognize the website on the phone. On the Yeah, on the laptop. It was like, looked over his shoulder and said, Hey, that metal filter that will be metal filter getting recognized in public.

Jessamyn 23:01 Right? Well, and yeah, I never get recognized in public. In fact, I wear my metal filter t shirt. And people don't even ask me what it means. Like they just don't care. They're like, Whatever, dude, I clearly have a story to tell. And nobody wants to hear it. You know, about my website.

mathowie 23:18 So yeah, although,

Jessamyn 23:20 although in meta talk, I don't know if you saw this. There was some thread about something completely unrelated. Oh, no, it was my birthday thread. And this girl was like, and this girl was like, Oh, I knew a just west but she went to high school in Massachusetts. And I was like, Dude, I went to high school Massachusetts, who the fuck are you? And it turned out that it's this girl that I went to high school with. Not only did I go to high school with I didn't hurt her boyfriend bought violent femmes tickets from me. Like, we knew each other back when we were children. And now she's, you know, my age and doing some interesting stuff. And now we're buddies on Flickr. And yeah, it was just very funny. Wow, cool. So that's a different kind of recognition. But that does happen to me sometimes. Where like people

mathowie 24:01 that annoying have a rhyming name.

Jessamyn 24:05 That's why people call me Jessamyn as an adult person.

mathowie 24:07 Yeah. Yes, it's

Jessamyn 24:09 totally irritating.

Unknown Speaker 24:11 Hi, Matt and Jess. This is cortex

Unknown Speaker 24:13 from metacharacter damage with a talk recently and in the past, about the idea of an event dot metal filter or metal filter events, calendar for music gigs and other things like that. I'm just wondering if there's been any recent configuration of that and what you guys see as the pros and cons of doing something like that. Thanks.

mathowie 24:38 I like that cortex guy.

Jessamyn 24:42 I think we need to just change. Like, this is what I would do. I would add a category to meta talk I would make it showable or hateable. I would make those events show up. What showed up. That's what I would keep

mathowie 24:55 going. I'm just gonna

Jessamyn 24:59 make it look good. Making noises but and then have it just show up on the little list with the meetups where they calendar tool

mathowie 25:07 that the meetup thing isn't for that's for meetups, I would I think in advance that metal filter.com is probably fine as a standalone thing you just glance at once a week or you sign up for

Jessamyn 25:22 like a projects projects for gigs. Yeah,

mathowie 25:25 I think I think it has to be something different. There's all this like Flash built in junk with ColdFusion. That makes it pretty easy. I could I could put a giant calendar you know, just showing it today is September 7 Here the following things are happening this week that concern Metafilter members that they suggested. I mean, it's I guess it's sort of like a little mini upcoming.org.

Jessamyn 25:46 Well, and you'd have to make a decision. I mean, there is a metal filter group on upcoming but you'd have to make a decision about whether it's just your own stuff or you know, stuff that

mathowie 25:56 oh, yeah, that you think is cool that you want to go to with other people. No, I think maybe with

Jessamyn 26:02 the jump up and down spammer people also.

mathowie 26:07 I don't want to I mean, it's not meetups, it's kind of it's not really meta talk. The whole point is people don't want a meta talk post every time someone has a gig.

Jessamyn 26:18 That's why you make it hateable.

mathowie 26:21 Oh, that's a dumb option that we have to force on everyone.

Jessamyn 26:24 Did you call me dumb? No, I

mathowie 26:25 said that's a dumb option, we'd have to force on everyone. We'd have to like automatically set it to hide and then people would have to like set it to I want to see this or the opposite. People would be all pissed off about having to see everything. It could be just part of music, there could be just a calendar on music, which would be easy,

Jessamyn 26:45 which would just be gigs. I think that would be amazing. And also it would get

mathowie 26:48 these people to do plays and stuff which doesn't quite

Jessamyn 26:52 well there isn't a place that meta filter.com

mathowie 26:55 Upload your play rights here.

Jessamyn 26:58 Are all these questions basically the same? Like, where's my favorite band.metafilter.com

mathowie 27:05 Here's my special snowflake dot Metafilter

Jessamyn 27:08 Goddamnit cortex.

mathowie 27:11 We can definitely do gigs for music. That would be easy. Just a tiny little calendar at the top of music with like, cortex is in charge of it. This Yeah. And this these for people that are uploading music. I happen to be playing coffee houses all over the land. Yeah.

Jessamyn 27:27 Well, and people in music, you know, I've said it before I'll say it again. They're incredibly talented. You know, like, I can't get over how good everybody is. And the time when I got to go see Steve Goldberg and his band play. Ludwig van. Like, it was great. Like, they were a great band. They played all the hits that I like, I mean, it was just, it was so worthwhile. That yes, I would like to be able to share that with other people too. I

mathowie 27:59 thought it was funny.

Jessamyn 28:00 What is this? He Rick rolled? Wait, you knew this was coming? Yes.

mathowie 28:06 That was funny. I was going through this morning. If you follow the next one. It's him talking so just go to

Jessamyn 28:23 double click. I'm not listening to it. Am I supposed to listen to Yeah,

mathowie 28:27 listen to the next one. Wondering why 123

Unknown Speaker 28:34 Hello, this is blade delts and no no apologize for Rick rolling your voicemail. How you make you feel? Happy birthday.

Jessamyn 28:49 Yay. How you what? What was his question?

mathowie 28:54 How does it make you feel?

Jessamyn 28:57 I kind of liked that song.

mathowie 28:59 Oh god. It's funny. It's gonna get beat.

Jessamyn 29:04 I can dance to it. It's funny.

mathowie 29:05 Something's totally random from the 80s and suddenly a running gag now just well, of all the things in the world in the 80s that one song is the gag.

Jessamyn 29:16 Yeah, I would have I would have not made another song if I had actually gotten to choose. But yeah, not dead right. I mean, some he must know. When Carson Daly's Rick rolling you on whatever that stupid show is like. I wonder what Rick Astley has to say about all this.

mathowie 29:37 He was only a member we can ask him

Jessamyn 29:41 to flip them a free membership. I'll write him a letter.

mathowie 29:44 Somebody called the 420 Dude,

Jessamyn 29:47 I saw it did. Hey, this is Brandon

Unknown Speaker 29:49 Boyd. And I got a kind of random question. If you guys were or decided to become a rapper, what name would you choose for yourself and So once you decide to go that route, you change the name of meta filter to reflect that. Thanks. Bye,

mathowie 30:07 MC deletes a lot.

Jessamyn 30:12 I used to have a rap name and I've completely forgotten it.

mathowie 30:16 So even with the app that gave you

Jessamyn 30:18 No, no, no. Like, I like I used to when I was in Seattle, I listened to a lot of hip hop because there was a lot of hip hop to listen to. I mean, whatever, not relative to Brooklyn, but yeah, but so we all like, you know, me and my friends all had our, you know, amusing rapper names, but I can't remember gosh, I can't remember what mine was. And I have like no creativity whatsoever. So yeah, it would it would have to be something stupid like that.

mathowie 30:45 All right, let's move on to the metal filter. Thing is Thanks for calling in everybody.

Jessamyn 30:50 Thank you everybody for calling in.

See what my favorites are? Because I always just favorite what I Oh, I don't have anything in my favorite thing. Nothing the last few days. I'm the last not in the last few days. I think it's because I've been you know, half awake for the last week being a lifeguard becoming a lifeguard. Oh, yeah.

mathowie 31:16 Sounds like a lot of fucking work.

Jessamyn 31:18 It was a lot of fucking work. No, I just like I just started reading all the stuff that Johnson's endorsements were posting. And like, you know, what else do they post and I had been reading their posts.

mathowie 31:30 Sounds like a billion things Mark since our last podcast.

Jessamyn 31:34 Oh, but I really liked how to draw head which was on this list. Oh, I didn't see it. Oh, it's great. It's a it's a slightly irritating tutorial, but fairly decent, which basically takes you through the steps of knowing the proportions of how I had. It is no,

mathowie 31:51 like yours are located most people don't know how to do that.

Jessamyn 31:55 Yeah, and where your hairline is and where the eyes are relative to like the corners of your mouth and whatever. And it was just it was a neat little thread. It was SNS Ranchu often post very good stuff. Coolio Puleo, with a gives good head comment about four minutes in. So it was slightly irritating, but it was neat listening to people talk about drawing. I always like to sort of craft craft oriented posts, I think.

mathowie 32:22 Yeah. Oh, did you see the guys? Signage art protest things on the i 75? The i 75 project? No, I don't know somebody couple days ago. Like the guy who makes his own signs and then plants them and they look really realistic. They're like made of metal. They just say nonsensical things or things that just started kind of lefty he puts them at rest areas and they look permanent look like they've been there forever.

Unknown Speaker 32:56 Oh, yeah.

Jessamyn 32:59 Yeah, I did. I was like, gone my entire birthday. So like anything that was supposed to decide that day? I pretty much didn't. Oh, no, I was just out of the house. Right? Yeah, no, so drunk was last night.

mathowie 33:12 Oh, in the two studied minutes of MTV, that was fucking awesome. Just a weird abstract art floating animals made of leaves in the air with kids laughing in the background. thinks that it's way cooler than it sounds. Just it's just some filler bumper from like South American MTV that they play when they need to fill two minutes dead airtime.

Jessamyn 33:38 But it's just really really pretty. Yeah, it's just cool. People really liked the radical honesty post to that got like tons and tons of discussion. Really? Ya know? 280 comments. Good news for the insane it was an Esquire article.

mathowie 33:54 Yeah, I started reading it and sound like this person. I just thought well, this person sounds like an asshole. Well, that's

Jessamyn 34:01 the problem with a lot of Esquire writing honestly to tell you the truth, but

mathowie 34:04 they give up and all the comments or the you know, jokey comments you'd expect like you suck. No really USAC what was the other thing that I had student at common shit.

Jessamyn 34:19 Well see that people were like blah blah blah like taka taka taka.

mathowie 34:25 And I also I also maybe I took away to get away from it way too fast that like the first paragraph is like Oh, so you're supposed to be an asshole. Oh, I get it you walk around in your NASS all new tell everyone your opinion of everything when they didn't ask?

Jessamyn 34:39 Yeah, it's a real, there's a real winner. It's a real Go Go patriarchy kind of attitude. I think like and you know if you can get away with that people who are already in power. Oh, and if I had to pick a favorite of all of Dawson's wonderful posts, this this one is my favorite. The guy was cleaning the back wall of his cave.

And then found a giant maze of connecting cave chambers that could hold 30,000 people, but it was real. Wow. Yeah, it was real. Oh my god, the pictures are amazing. The story's amazing. Everybody in the thread is like, this is the best and

mathowie 35:23 yeah, oh yeah, the building blocks

Jessamyn 35:24 and Cappadocia, which I'm probably mispronouncing, Cappadocia.

mathowie 35:29 Jesus Christ, the thing is huge.

Jessamyn 35:33 Isn't that cool? Yeah. When you love it if that was your house, and like you were, like, taken out a wall, and suddenly you found like, a house as big as 10,000 houses attached to your house?

mathowie 35:45 Yeah, that's insane. Where, wow, how could have not been discovered?

Jessamyn 35:50 People were sort of talking about that. And then people were talking about oh, the 60 miles of freight tunnels beneath Chicago that people forgot about. Cincinnati subway, which Jerseyans posted about a couple days earlier. cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, and it pointed out building blog, which I had never been to before, and I thought was great

mathowie 36:10 with Cincinnati subways. For real I always thought someone made a t shirt. I thought it was a joke.

Jessamyn 36:16 It may be a joke. All I know about Cincinnati is they've got a really good public library.

mathowie 36:21 What you know that every city,

Jessamyn 36:24 no, some cities I know have really shitty public libraries.

mathowie 36:29 Oh my god, the best post ever of all. Eternity was the you Fez, Jones, the wish book web the links to some crazy nut balls scanned in every single page of the 1985 Sears catalog in the 1944 Awards catalog and some other things. But being a kid in 1985, and there's no internet and the Sears catalog pretty much was like amazon.com Oh, I remember

Jessamyn 36:59 me and my sister. Like when the Christmas catalog came out. We would like sit down and you'd have to like pick one thing from every page. Like we would just spend like we'd have hours of entertainment just like messing around with the Sears catalog

mathowie 37:10 pick up the 85 Sears catalog. I still remember some of the photos. It's just pretty much Wow, it's this weird framed thing now, where it used to be easier to read. Hmm, I could have swore I was leafing through this on my laptop. It was way faster. But practically remember these pages? Yes, yeah, I was in grad school back to one because I was like, 13 when

Jessamyn 37:35 holy crap that 25 was a really long time ago. I was like every now and again.

mathowie 37:43 Yeah. Oh, it's just I

Jessamyn 37:47 mean, I can like deal with birthdays and getting older and all this stuff. But like, seeing 1985 is, you know,

mathowie 37:54 22 years ago. Yeah. Well, and

Jessamyn 37:57 like catalogs looked like this. And there was there was a little internet we had a little internet but not a lot of internet. Yeah, like we had a fax you

mathowie 38:05 serve modem with like a Commodore 64 to come

Jessamyn 38:09 well, and we like a dumb terminal. Of course. So you could dial up.

Whatever. Rogue or whatever. sorc on Digi mainframes. Cool. Yeah. And talk to you at the same time, but oh my god.

mathowie 38:26 Yeah, it was awesome. Awesome. That like, just going looking at the old like video games and bicycles are just hilarious.

Jessamyn 38:34 Right? Because that's what I wanted. Like I wanted a bicycle and a drum kit and telescope and you know, pretty much the same stuff I want now. exercise equipment, earrings. So awesome. So there's the women in the workforce. Exactly. There's a whole side

mathowie 38:55 like being 12 years old and that was like getting some skin like you know, looking at the lingerie pages when mom and dad gone to sleep when someone linked right to the laundry page and they're like so ridiculous so not attractive at all.

Jessamyn 39:10 Right? So on hot

mathowie 39:12 yeah. The opposite of hot.

Jessamyn 39:16 Well, yeah, adding to that 85 was really not a pinnacle of fashion. Even you know,

mathowie 39:20 bad hair everywhere.

Jessamyn 39:24 Man, I will prop you when I can. There we go. Okay

mathowie 39:35 to ask Metafilter

Jessamyn 39:38 okeydoke

mathowie 39:39 oh man favorite recipes. top two

Jessamyn 39:44 favorite recipes are always you know, huge. Huge. Yeah. cookie recipe. Oh see the the self imposed tight budget which was the reposting of the question that we removed from asking Metafilter this morning, what are your fields and everybody? favorited? Because they're like, Yeah, ha, stick it to the man.

mathowie 40:09 When I first read it did sound like tell me your stories of saving some money once which is lame, but how can I be more frugal as a lot better?

Jessamyn 40:17 Although I feel like that question has been asked a million times, but maybe not.

mathowie 40:22 Yeah, it has but

Jessamyn 40:25 yeah, my life. Oh, sorry. It's one of these.

mathowie 40:29 I love the one of someone trying to rebuild their math skills as an adult from the ground up like, I'm 20 something 30 something. I can barely do math. I want to start with fractions and end with calculus like in a year or two. Where do I go? What do I do? Like that was a pretty fascinating.

Jessamyn 40:50 Did you just tell me you really liked a post about math? Well, the Oculus about Oculus Oh, I

mathowie 40:58 just thought that was a really interesting ideas and adult to approach the subject. It's something we never nobody, there's no setup, there's nothing to there's no very few resources for people who are adults that want to learn stuff. And it's really important to never stop learning when you're an adult.

Jessamyn 41:15 Well, you sound like a television advertisement. You sound like doing like, no,

mathowie 41:21 no. It's absolutely vital. Like,

Jessamyn 41:26 that's why libraries exist.

mathowie 41:29 Come on phase three, damnit. Reading is Fundamental. My wife just did all this old age research. I mean, it's just night and day, if you grab a bunch of old people are in their 70s or 80s. They separate them in the piles and you see who's like with it and who's going crazy, horrible. Write everyone who still reads a frickin book or uses their brain as like a totally fun person to be around. And they're like, 80 and Oh, yeah, I go hiking and you know, I'm in great shape and Sudoku. Even that, and the the ones that just sit around depressed and watch TV, they just died and they're no fun and their bodies are breaking down and they're they can't hold a conversation. It's really it's like, absolutely night and day. If you're like oh, over 6570 If you're not making sure your brains getting a workout, you're gonna die.

Jessamyn 42:23 You're gonna die anyhow, actually. Well, yeah.

mathowie 42:27 Always. Always bet on death.

Jessamyn 42:30 Okay, good. And were there lots of good. Was there lots of good advice? Yeah, there was

mathowie 42:34 all sorts of weird resources I never heard about. And cool. Which math books to just buy that if you want to learn all this stuff.

Jessamyn 42:45 Well, I really liked from a couple days ago, yesterday, actually, the the, what is this stone that I found? Yeah. Should I donate it to a museum? And people are like, No, dude, it's an actual it's an iron stone like it? Yeah,

mathowie 43:04 it's a it's an occluder. Look at the picture. Yeah, it's like an occlusion within granite that two different stone types. So they weather different rates and kind of forms a box. The sandstone kind of weathers away quickly. Leave.

Jessamyn 43:17 But it looks like it could be something made by you know, the artist. Yeah, pre industrial society for cleaning some special kind of rodent or whatever. It's

mathowie 43:28 like a rock framed by another rock. And when the rock inside actually completely weathers way you get a box made of rock. And it's like a box shape. And it's like, fascinating. That's absolutely natural.

Jessamyn 43:41 Yeah, and the guy found one and he had no idea what it was. And a whole bunch of people from AskMe Metafilter were like,

mathowie 43:48 those are the mystery ones I always follow like, that was the one I saw last night and loved it. To see what is this thing? Especially when it's really weird, and you can't come up with a

Jessamyn 43:59 great answer. The other one that I really liked was the idea of building a clock where you don't have to set it for daylight savings time, it just automatically gains or loses a little bit of time, all year,

mathowie 44:18 but then it's off by like 33 Yes, yes. Yes.

Jessamyn 44:21 The guy's like, Look, I know, this isn't like a like, Oh my God, my brilliant idea. But like, you know, how would you do this? And like, how would that affect things? And it's like, it's like borderline sort of hypothetical. You know, what if I were a planet made up of meat or whatever, but it's it's really interesting because there's a whole bunch of people in the thread again, I'm always pleasantly surprised that people who were like, Oh, well, like here's all the crazy stuff that I know about. Clocks time, this that and the other. It's just got some interesting people.

mathowie 44:55 I found out how to solve this problem for my entire life was Get an atomic clock someone life gave me an atomic clock from Oregon scientific last year, the year before. It, it just it just gets the time from the sky magically. And it's always right. And you don't ever have to touch it ever.

Jessamyn 45:15 I've told you the story about how my dad traveled around the world with the atomic clock, right? Oh, yeah, I saw the pictures 1962. And then we found out it wasn't actually an atomic clock. It was just a very, very

accurate, accurate clock. And we were like, Dude, I've been telling people you've been traveling around the world and atomic clock.

mathowie 45:36 years, the atomic clock I own on the back of it is clock adjustment buttons. All you do is like you take it out and you put a battery in it and you wait like 10 minutes and it'll just pick up the correct time. And in the middle of the night when daylight saving times happens it picks up the new time like it just it pings a server every 10 minutes or something. So the clock adjustment buttons are like was I don't know, fuck with your spouse for like 10 minutes till the clock readjusts. I think they're actually for the alarm setting or something. But it always cracks me up that you could actually set the time on it, but because it would just get wiped out correctly from the time server.

Jessamyn 46:16 Right? Yes, that's very funny. But now,

mathowie 46:19 I'm stoked. I just never have to worry about ever doing it ever again with the handheld clock.

Jessamyn 46:25 My computer knows what time it is. Yeah, that too. It asks the internet and the Internet tells it.

mathowie 46:30 This is what I wrote about my blog a few years ago that you know, people that were constantly stumbling into work on Monday after time savings, complaining about sleeping in I thought were ridiculous my whole life and then happened to me like two years ago or three years ago, I got because like I reached some threshold where everything was automated my life, my TiVo, my computers, like every clock I looked at was automated. And then the one I was depending on was not automated. I actually was late to work late to work like an idiot. This was years ago. And I was gonna say conceptually, what I know when that actually meant something probably was five years ago.

Jessamyn 47:15 The last one that I liked was the what's it like to be a female blank? That's the title. But it was basically a question like if women are unusual in your profession, what do you tell people when they ask you like, what's it like to be a woman? Whatever, Lady engineer, a lady that does that? Yeah, there was sort of an etiquette question like, how do I deal with? You know, how do I deal with people asking me? Whatever? Yeah, and my favorite answer was like, funnily enough, I don't actually use my vagina to drive a truck. I thought you would like that. That's good.

mathowie 47:59 Jokes are always funny.

Jessamyn 48:02 They're not always funny.

mathowie 48:07 The respectful ones are always fun.

Jessamyn 48:09 I think I'm supposed to say no, they're

mathowie 48:10 not. This is one I thought, wow, that was growing. Someone asked for a hint concealed handgun advice. And 16 people had great concealed handgun advice. I don't know if you'd like stayed up. You would coretec stayed up in shifts or something to remove the amazing I'm like, wow, we're growing man. People can keep their dumb answers in their heads and not spew

Jessamyn 48:40 I think we all learned well, and this was really really specific to this was like, I mean, it's the same question as the other I mean, the other question about how to you know, plaid rabbits question about how to dress for concealed carry. This is a very similar very similar question. And yeah, no, I don't think I

mathowie 48:59 Yeah, every every it's like, oh, well, the kickback on the 38 It's gonna be a bit much so you're gonna want to try like whoa, wow. Okay. Well, there's Yeah, gun owners cool.

Jessamyn 49:09 People gave them some really some really good advice. Ya know, no, I removed nothing from that thread. I don't think Josh did either cortex did either.

mathowie 49:18 Yeah. Oh, there was an awesome useful AskMe edit filter post. Someone who's just like I just heard some music bumper during some weekend NPR show. How can I track it down? And the answers are awesome in that, like, hear how it her is how every public radio distribution network tallies what music they played for each day. And like it's really cool for like if you have to track stuff down. I don't know if they ever tracked it down. Oh, yeah. They did end up tracking it down. From the advice posted, and I am buying the album just because it sounded good. And it was okay.

Jessamyn 49:59 I have to say though that well Johnson is really sort of the king of metal filter but Dustin's is close behind. I don't really see Johnson like taking over asked about a filter but derson Stew post

mathowie 50:12 yeah the number one post on it is metal filter. Yeah, so well Johnson knows everything so marketer I don't know what he would need as metadata for he already knows everything that's a good beginner to answer some questions about wraps up episode 15 Thanks everyone who called in and thanks to everyone who submitted a song to August as metal filter music challenge the music you can hear throughout this podcast thanks