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A transcript for Episode 153 - Josh Ruins Taiga (2019-06-05).

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Cortex 0:00 A couple of things you

Well, hey, welcome to episode 153 of the Medicare monthly podcast. I am Josh cortex Mullard. And I am Jessamyn. And here we are, is there anything positive to say about the number 153? Only positive things

Jessamyn 0:40 only one thing? It is the Dewey Decimal Classification Code for mental processes and intelligence. All right. I like that. Yeah, I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but like, I got all the way through library school. And, you know, so far a 25 year career in librarianship without knowing any of the

Cortex 1:01 decimal system. Why would you? Uh, because if you work

Jessamyn 1:04 in a public library, and somebody's like, where's the blurb lar? And you're like, oh, that's 752 that has utility, right? being somebody who looked something up, they're like, well, like, if I can look it up, you know? Sure. agrarians often know this stuff, or LC, if they do that, but I've, it's like, I'm Teflon to it. Like, it just will not stick no matter what I do.

Cortex 1:26 I mean, it's just it's not the most necessary part of the process, right like that, that classification exists. So that stuff can be meaningfully classified at a large scale that it would be unreasonable for any person to personally do right. And it's not supposed to be an individual thing is supposed to, it's supposed to not be to syndrome,

Jessamyn 1:45 like, oh, that's in the one hundreds, I feel like, you know, 99 out of 100, librarians could do that. And

Cortex 1:53 at the same time, being able to say, oh, physically they're in the Library is where that number is, is probably going to do something a lot more use than like being able to like, map the number. So

Jessamyn 2:04 it depends how often you move around and in within the world of libraries, right.

Cortex 2:10 I can see that. Oh, God,

Jessamyn 2:12 I have one thing to say about trivia. Okay, I got three points in I didn't do today's trivia, but I got three points for NPC because I'm a girl, I think could be didn't get me to win. But knowing a video game thing, and I think you and I talked about it, because there was that weird gray Dude, that was on Twitter a while ago. Yeah, but that's how I learned what an NPC is. And then I got three points for interview which I think is what's keeping me on a demotion range. The end.

Cortex 2:43 Nice. I got I got one point for that, which is not one more than

Jessamyn 2:47 you should have gotten. Yeah, well known. You

Cortex 2:51 see, the problem is there was a math question and yeah, yes,

Jessamyn 2:56 I did not. And I'm done. Math is my best category.

Cortex 2:59 Yeah, no, no, it's modulo is a fucking like, the sentence is terrible. Like the phrase 12 is congruent to 60 modulo eight is just like, What the fuck are you saying? Like, I understood it. And I'm like, What the fuck is that saying? I also think it's kind of weird that that that thorsson rendered it as 12 written out and 60 and eight as numerals. Because like I've seen, I've seen people say like, angry, you know, like, it's okay, if you're going to spell 12 out because it's a small enough number that editorial guideline says, you know, write it out instead of using the numeral, but then you've got eight and 12 both in there and for all as numerals because of course you do because you fucking do it. So yeah, it was a little bit weird. I know. I feel like that added a facade of confusion to that. Anyway, the opponents that yeah, gave me zero for that and one for each of the other two I got and so they they totally won on defense, despite us both give three questions. And that's the whole game, but I'm better.

Jessamyn 3:55 Sure. No, I hear you. Yeah, I'm just out of demotion right. Do you want to know what I'm bitter about? I got moved from tiga to Aurora for no goddamn reason.

Cortex 4:04 Well, they had to like fill things right.

Jessamyn 4:06 I don't give a shit. I had fought hard to get into Taiga because that's where I wanted to be. I've been in six different leagues now.

Cortex 4:15 You just like it's like getting up and moving around Duran meetup like and I usually want to change seats and interact with some more people like, you know, chance to

Jessamyn 4:23 know I want to sit in one chair and have people come interact with me in Tyga I mean, I'm trying to make my peace with Aurora but I'm like in Aurora Division one. I just I hate those divisions. Like just make a new at any rate. So that's my six league. I don't want to be in it. And that's why I'm doing badly.

Cortex 4:42 I it's taking me a solid minute to react to the word of Aurora when people who follow me following steamed hands are probably shouting aurora borealis. They heard the word. Yeah, that's like the culminating game

Jessamyn 5:04 Tiger sounds like Tiger to somebody from New England and I love that it's fierce.

Cortex 5:09 Oh yeah. I don't even know what accent I'm wandering into there but yeah, yeah, but yeah Tiger park my car I associated tiger with I mean with with with the northern landscape a little bit I'm pretty sure I learned that in school at some point but also specifically with a Magic the Gathering card that was a dual color land of some sort I don't even remember what it is. We're gonna call

Jessamyn 5:36 this podcast Josh ruins everything. Write it down, you've ruined Tiger for me. I'm gonna have to go back to Memorial which is clearly bad, but maybe it can't be ruined any more than it already is.

Cortex 5:49 I'm gonna say Josh ruins Tiger. All right,

Jessamyn 5:56 I love Okay,

Cortex 5:58 let's go podcast. We've

Jessamyn 5:59 only looked around for like nine minutes. That's

Cortex 6:02 like three that I think is pre roll. We're not going to use so you know, great. We're doing this an efficient start.

Jessamyn 6:06 Josh just shoulder goes to your physical therapist people.

Cortex 6:10 Yep, take take care of your bodies. I'm doing it on mine. I'm doing Flexi exercises and not lifting things inappropriately.

Jessamyn 6:20 Oh, man, speaking of lifting things in appropriately.

Cortex 6:24 This is a segue I've been to.

Jessamyn 6:25 When I got back from the library conference that I went to two weeks ago. I was I was late. I'd been like out all day long. I was exhausted. I'd slept overnight at somebody's house to be closer to the conference. I was just on on on all day. And then I went out to dinner with a friend. It was lovely. But just by the time I got home, I was just worked. And then halfway up the 28 steps to my apartment was a 25 pound box of cheese. Hmm. Because I told you we're here for a slice of cheese. And they of course didn't fucking tell me and maybe it had been there since yesterday, because I hadn't been there. And so I had to like lump it up 14 steps. I was convinced I had pulled something in my back. And then I had to email these people being like, Hi, this cheese may have been on my porch and like 50 degree weather for like 28 hours. Can I still eat this cheese? And then I was just mad, shoving it into my refrigerator. God damn cheese. And they wrote me back the next day. And we're like, No, it's good. You're good. And, and it turned out I didn't really pull anything in my back. But man, I was gonna be so mad if I had pulled my back, couldn't eat the cheese and had to go like feed it to pig somewhere. But instead, I've just been delivering it to everyone. And it's been super fun.

Cortex 7:46 Excellent. Yeah, I would expect us to hold up pretty well. Like maybe not some like super, super, like fresh creamy. Something that you would want to leave out. Maybe But yeah,

Jessamyn 7:55 I mean, that's what my sister said. She's like, if it's still solid, it is probably fine. Yeah. But it's not like in a refrigerated pack or anything. It's just an affected cardboard box.

Cortex 8:06 Weird. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Well, condolences on your back. No, it was fine. I didn't know. Oh, you didn't at all. Okay.

Jessamyn 8:17 Yeah, I thought I did. Because I you know, you get that little twinge. And you're like, Oh, God, this might be bad. It was

Cortex 8:23 fucked this up. I've been really lucky. All right. All around. Good job. Thank you cheese fries. No, I will eat some cheese. Let's talk about jobs. Let's talk about the jobs on the Metafilter jobs. A little

Jessamyn 8:38 map isn't showing up for me anymore. I think. I think one of my ad blockers is

Cortex 8:43 not showing up for me either. I think maybe they change an API thing out from under us.

Jessamyn 8:49 Okay, well, good. All right.

Cortex 8:50 Okay. The world no longer exists. But there are jobs in the vacuum of space that we are now all occupied.

Jessamyn 8:57 Yes. Here's one that I'm going to tell Jim. He should basically do. Because it's perfect for him. And it's over educated alligator who actually I have to take out to lunch. I don't have to. I'm looking forward to taking out to lunch because she did the superhero cat's thing for my sister for holiday time. Think I told you about? Yeah, yeah, she did an illustration of my sister's three cats as superheroes, which was very good. And now what she's looking for is a transcription of somebody to record a Yiddish song based on sheet music.

Cortex 9:30 Yeah. Excuse me, and then

Jessamyn 9:34 she wants to put it on Wikipedia. And yeah, I mean, if Jim doesn't do it, someone else should do it.

Cortex 9:42 They're not happy, great. Better My heart wants someone to turn some ripped queensize silk sheets into boxers

Jessamyn 9:52 like this. What does that

Cortex 9:56 yeah, it's just a fitted sheet that like do got torn and so they want I turn it into some boxer shorts instead of throwing it away. Because hey, those worms work real hard on the silk.

Jessamyn 10:07 I guess they did. So yeah, I their worms, caterpillars.

Cortex 10:12 I don't know. I mean, I the phrase in my mind is silk worms, but I don't know if like, that's because they're actually worms or just whoever decided to call them that decided to call him that.

Jessamyn 10:21 Yep. Charles looking for help desk?

Cortex 10:24 Yeah. Which,

Jessamyn 10:25 you know, boy, I would Can I do that job?

Cortex 10:30 I think no, it's apartment. Yeah, I would assume local but yeah, yeah your material he's a good guy.

Jessamyn 10:37 Yeah Who's lovely and fun on Instagram. I've been enjoying him watching watching him do his little house thing.

Cortex 10:46 And also his dog Fergus on Instagram feed. So

Jessamyn 10:51 everybody. Oh, really? Yeah, I gotta, I gotta find your follow friends. And then endpoint engineer. I don't even know exactly what that means. But there's a lot of words in here I understand. And then some that I don't working with black pebble at Brown University, which is pretty close to where I am. Summertime. And I feel like I knew somebody else who worked there. But at any rate, black Pebble is actually a longtime mefite Not not super active, but very low fees. Remember,

Cortex 11:25 long termer. That's the way to be. You will have to do a lot just hang around. And yeah, and there's couple more and yeah. Jobs. I'm not saying anything about Steve Jobs. Medical. Man. It's harder than I thought. Leading us to Josh. Yeah. I wish I hadn't said anything about Steve Metafilter jobs. Metafilter jobs. I'm still I'm still looking. I don't know. I'm still looking for that. That that model. What the jobs model something something punchy something to you know, be be don't be like Job get a job. Medical jobs.

Jessamyn 12:14 Good job not have a job.

Cortex 12:16 I don't know. I mean, it seems like a farmer right? But then he's never farm anymore. Because like God smoked it or something. Exactly. God put a lot of shit. That was not a good look on God. I gotta say

Jessamyn 12:28 about it. Yeah, somebody asked me, cuz you probably saw right that fucko from Jeopardy got beat by the librarian. You know, I'm talking about though, right? Yeah, some

Cortex 12:42 guy was doing well. I saw someone deleted a post because it was too spoilery. And it's timing.

Jessamyn 12:48 That was the thing, right? He basically because you know, these things are filmed way in advance, right. So this guy was like, on a run on a run on a run. And it's got to be weird, right? If you're on Twitter, because you know how all the games turned out. But you've got to kind of pretend. And so and he's gonna run forever. And she wanted a beating him in the game that was going to be televised on Monday, but people found out over the weekend. And it's, and it's new. And so I had like, I managed some little group of librarians. And she's librarian sorry, I buried that lead. And, and she wrote her master's thesis in library school on fucking trivia questions, right? Like, it's amazing. It's this great story. And so everybody was like sitting on it to various degrees of sitting on it, but it clearly leaked out on the internet. And so I like moderate this giant group of librarians on Facebook, which mostly doesn't involve much, you know what I mean, but this thing leaked, and a whole bunch of people flagged it, and we're like, and I was just kind of like, buddies. Like, it's the internet. Like, I'm sorry, Jeopardy was ruined for you. But But so we got a whole bunch of people talking about, like, what is a spoiler really, in this sort of artificial world of blardy, blar blar. And, and the, the Steve Jobs tie in, of course, is that Alex Trebek has what pancreatic cancer and appears to be doing okay. But

Cortex 14:12 I gathered that to that, like maybe like the cancer situation was at least looking as good as it can at the moment or something like, literally, I have been following none of this. And I don't follow anybody who talks, like, consistently and loudly about Jeopardy on Twitter. So like, I really don't know what's up. And I know some guy has been winning a bunch and also Alex Trebek.

Jessamyn 14:36 He's been winning and he's a gambler for a job. So he's got a strategy that I guess is unusual, although I don't think it's that unusual. Like anybody could do it. Right. But he's, he's he's got system. Yeah. And he's better with the math a little bit. Oh, and the reason I brought this all up is because people are like, hey, librarian won Jeopardy justman, you're smart, you should be on Jeopardy. And I'm like, I don't know shit about the Bible. Like I don't know anything about the Bible. I don't know anything about Shakespeare and I don't care to learn, like more than I already know, you know what I mean? And I think if you want to be on Jeopardy, you've got to end sports. Like I have very erratic sports knowledge. And like, with Jeopardy, you have to kind of know a little about a lot of things or a lot about a lot of things. Whereas for trivia, you know, some days you just like, I don't fucking know, whatever I lose today. Yeah, with Jeopardy. It's like, man, you're gonna get as $1,000 and you flew to Los Angeles? Yeah, it's

Cortex 15:29 a totally different, like context. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, here's a question. This is,

Jessamyn 15:38 you know, I love them.

Cortex 15:40 So with Jeopardy, I kind of, I don't follow it enough to know the history of the weirdest episodes that ever happened. But it occurs to me that like nothing is physically stopping a person from deciding to get on to Jeopardy, and then just completely blow any chance at winning for the sake of going on like brief polemics instead of actually answering the questions. But I have to assume that there's something just written into the whole production, like contract that like, Hey, if you veer off of trying to answer questions, fuck you, you're off the episode. And we're gonna like, read your

Jessamyn 16:14 question. I'll ask my neighbor, Kevin, who's been on Jeopardy. Because I mean, I think the thing is, once you get all the way there, it's actually really hard and competitive to get on the show. Because there's Oh, sure. Like, it's smart trivia nerds. Yeah. And so knowing it would have absolutely zero effect. Like, I mean, you know, maybe it's one of those things. You see, like, random like anti-fur activists or whatever, tried to get on the prices, right. So they can blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I think the other thing is it wastes everybody else's time. So you'd have to both be that level of smart, but also that level of kind of arrogant about whatever your thing was, that wasn't being smart.

Cortex 16:54 Yeah, it would be it'd be some, like, seriously dedicated as holder to pull that off.

Jessamyn 16:58 And I think those two things don't co present very often. Yeah, that's my best guess. Although, you know, we could ask discourse marker and Horace Rumpole that a whole bunch of other fights who have been on Jeopardy. So yeah, it's kind of semi semi patented the comments,

Cortex 17:16 let us know what's going on in the thread. I just imagine you're getting a question about the Bible that you don't know. And just like, you know, reading it and saying God is dead or something.

Jessamyn 17:24 Right, what is God is dead.

Cortex 17:43 Let's talk about projects.

Jessamyn 17:45 Well, here it projects is the thing that I was hoping we get posted last month, but it hadn't gotten posted, which is soybean, oh, I had posted a meta filter like three weeks ago. Good lord, I really need to be more on top of things. Basically, soybean, longtime mefite wrote this documentary, which I believe we talked about last month, about students at Dartmouth who wanted to figure out how to change subject headings within Library of Congress, because having to look up stuff on their sort of heritage slash status under illegal aliens is garbage. Yeah. And it got posted a minute filter in a thread that I Oh, no, that's like for post for comments. I'll have to go Yammer about that later today. But it was just it's a it's a really good movie, actually. And I'm just super proud of him for doing it. And the story is great. And he's going to be at the ALA conference in DC for librarians. And maybe it's going to be on PBS and New England. No, good on. Good on that. Oh, and there's me at the end. You're welcome. Thanks. Jessamyn for the push.

Cortex 19:03 Nice. Ya know that it looks really fantastic. Yeah, it's just

Jessamyn 19:08 super good. Like, what a great project and, and good to put it here because, yeah, relevant to many people's interests. Yeah.

Cortex 19:17 Good job, soybean. Let's see. dantas was sneetches, just a couple days ago posted. Deadwood as it was. Yeah,

Jessamyn 19:29 I just saw that. I thought that was really cool.

Cortex 19:31 Yeah, it's neat. They're basically just writing up various aspects of kind of the actual, like, history and literature in the time, like, you know, contemporary news stories about like, you know, the actual setting like, you know, a lot of these, the characters were certainly fictionalized for the show or cobbled together as pastiches of stuff and whatnot. But you know, a lot of the people in Deadwood were actual people in Deadwood. To place in, you know, you had like this sort of whole situation that they drew on for all that storytelling. So they're going through and sort of putting together sort of like this, this historical type documenting, like, you know, who was actually here what was actually here. You know, what was going on with Seth Bullock actual human being? Right, right, right. Yeah, it's just really neat. This is contemporary of course, like the the deadwood movie is out. Is that Is it out now

Jessamyn 20:29 coming out?

Cortex 20:30 Yeah, I'm not really clear. Like I enjoyed it. I haven't like,

Jessamyn 20:33 I feel like we talked about this last month, but I just think we deserve new TV shows not redoing other TV shows. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

Cortex 20:43 I was really impressed. It was extra like a capper films sort of following up on it rather than like rebooting it or anything. So like, this is like the eventual movie. Right? But I haven't been following

Jessamyn 20:53 full length movie on what happened. Yeah, yeah. Well, because like there was that Magnum PI question and trivia. Like I remember Magnum PI from like Tom Selleck. Magnum. PDI. Yeah. But like Magnum PI's are show again without Tom Selleck. Yeah. Just again.

Cortex 21:09 Yeah. I forgot that that had happened. I wonder if they kept that muscle? Well, I don't know that they must have. I think they did. I put down master Jonathan for that one. Because I was like, something something Master master something Higgins always mentioned.

Jessamyn 21:23 If you just put down master you would have gotten it.

Cortex 21:25 Maybe. I mean, it's Robin masters. So I feel like I don't know. I actually thought about that.

Jessamyn 21:30 Sounded like I put down Miss off Mar. Wah, wah, wah, wah. Because I had no idea. I knew the answer wasn't Higgins. Yeah.

Cortex 21:43 Oh, there's a weird, fun little web toy that impark made called undulating jigsaw puzzles. And it's exactly that and it's like, take a jigsaw puzzle. And you know, it's got like, the funky edges of a jigsaw puzzle piece. But in this one, all the pieces edges are constantly undulating. It's not just a clever title. So instead of like, you know, a specific shape of a jigsaw side, on one side of a piece, it's got like, sort of a weird moving waveform,

Jessamyn 22:12 and having some really hard time understanding this. So let me

Cortex 22:17 imagine you were looking at a piece and you had like, dropped acid.

Jessamyn 22:22 Like it. I mean, it's great. And obviously, they worked really hard on it.

Cortex 22:29 It's a nice idea. And it's a different way to sort of like think about space relationships. And so it's kind of cool. So yeah, I enjoyed it. But I

Jessamyn 22:40 really love what two sides next to each other that belong next to each other, they just kind of fade or click together. Yeah. into one another. Yeah. So you're, it's you're looking at the picture and not the plugs, kind of,

Cortex 22:55 yeah, but to some extent, maybe you are looking at the plugs too, depending on how you're doing it like you can it's a weird thing where because they're undulating, you can sort of visually match those if you get them in the rights base in your visual field to say, oh, that's that that any there is just like that out there. And they're changing in sync.

Jessamyn 23:14 So they actually do match up.

Cortex 23:16 Yeah, yeah, you could

Jessamyn 23:17 look for them to match

Cortex 23:19 Yeah, which you would need to do if for example, like just this guy you know did decide to do some of the blank test ones that I just this guy, you know, comes in and says, Oh, yeah, man, boy, it took me like a you know, 67 minutes to arrange a nine by nine Grid of Things. And then M Park came I didn't think anybody do those. I think those were just supposed to be sort of place and then so good job justice guy, you know for going hard on on the I did record it. You know what I said it and I heard myself say it and I was like, Oh, I didn't do that. I or that? Yes. Like I should not go back and talk about how I just actually said hard on.

Jessamyn 23:59 I can it's

Cortex 24:04 it's reverse. Sexual. Yeah, I got nothing. I'm just gonna

Jessamyn 24:09 speaking of tag team, I read an Andre the Giant graphic novel. That was not any good. Oh, I'm sorry. It should have been. Apparently he was kind of a dick with a drinking problem. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't know but why? I mean, I kind of knew, but Well, I like this Tufty, touchy, how do you pronounce that guy's name?

Cortex 24:29 I think it's Tufte. But I'm not sure.

Jessamyn 24:32 It's just a little. It's by Dylan Kay. And it's a little Bootstrap framework. So basically, it's a little way that you can make your webpages look like the style that tough to uses in I believe his books, if I'm understanding this correctly, and I think I am cute little thing on GitHub, contribute if you want to contribute, and I liked it.

Cortex 24:57 Yeah, it's nice. I like I like it. Uh, Tufts, like design inclinations, which is like, you know, call me crazy, but I think the Beatles wrote some good songs. Exactly like, you know, we're cutting out some new ground here. But yeah, yeah. And I've never I've never used bootstrap for anything. So I was like, this is definitely on my list of like, Hey, I'm glad someone did that.

Jessamyn 25:20 I don't even understand the bootstrap concept. I know, it's important to

Cortex 25:25 I read something about Bootstrap at some point, but like, I've never had a reason to actually use it. So yeah, net somewhat abstract for kind

Jessamyn 25:32 of got beyond you know, HTML and CSS. And I know, there are ways to get beyond it. And I never have.

Cortex 25:41 Yeah, I was thinking about doing some, like, you know, more hardcore blog design stuff. Again, at one point, I started reading about it and like, just got annoyed and realized it was gonna drive me crazy, I'd be spending a bunch of energy on a bunch of bullshit instead of just like blogging, and so like, point in there,

Jessamyn 26:01 I start writing a talk. And I'm like, you know, what I really need is accustomed keynote theme. And then like, I'm looking for themes for 45 minutes that my talk is not getting written. And I'm like chess.

Cortex 26:13 Yeah, yeah, text. Here's the important part. You know, this.

Jessamyn 26:15 Stop it.

Cortex 26:19 I enjoy this little blog, the Paragons doing the generalist Academy. It's very much. I did not check that out. But it's just the it's exactly what it sounds like. It says one little interesting thing every day is just a sort of daily generalist blog, which is very after medical chart, so it's nice to see

Jessamyn 26:38 college

Cortex 26:40 or college.

Unknown Speaker 26:41 Also brought

Cortex 26:45 Renaissance fart jokes. Yeah. It's nice.

Jessamyn 26:49 Yeah, I like it. And it looks really nice. And there's a cool picture of one of those libraries with the old stacks, which are always my favorite.

Cortex 26:58 No, it's that joyful laughter. I'm, I'm sharing in your appreciation of that thing. Like that you like things? I like to people like things? Sure. I would say that by and large, I get a lot of joy out of people getting joy out of stuff. Like that's it sounds like some I don't know, like guru thing, but it's actually just No, actually I like it when people aren't miserable. It's, it's good.

Jessamyn 27:19 Yeah, I like it when people aren't miserable. Or if they don't like a thing. I like it if they have like a sense of humor about not liking the thing, like my sister and I can be cranky. But I like to believe people don't mind listening to us being cranky so much, because we always turn it into really funny stories. Yeah. Like, oh, my God, I had to go to this Catholic funeral on Friday. And it was like it was in the church. But it was so big that we were also outside of the tent. You know, like, there's 200 people in the church held 100 people. So we're outside in the tent. And it's one of those things where you have to like stand up and sit down and like you read the thing. And then you have to sing a song that's like, I love Jesus. He is my Lord. I love him. And it's really super inappropriate, right? Except it's totally appropriate for America. It's just garbage. And so my sister and I are just sitting there. I don't know these songs. And we're like, making these little like Muppet faces. And we're in the back so nobody can see us. But it was deeply uncomfortable on the one hand, because I don't love Jesus, except, you know, his carpentry. You know what I mean? Like, he's just a douche. This

Cortex 28:21 is just all right with you. Yes, he's a dude.

Jessamyn 28:25 And was fine. But like, you know, having this having to sing a thing. It's essentially like a loyalty oath to like somebody else's God is super inappropriate. But if you can kind of cut up about it and not make other people feel bad, then you can kind of have a good time with it. Right? And so it's kind of not liking a thing, but also like you and your sister like having a good laugh. So it's alright, and I don't pretty sure no one else saw us. Like, being like, Oh my God. I was like, it's a blood coat. It's how is this happened? You know, there's a dislike there. Sure. But there's an enjoying the dislike that I think makes it alright, as opposed to just the like, the surface of this restaurant. And you're just like, well, this is a conversation that's not going anywhere.

Cortex 29:13 Yep. Yep, yep. All right, you want to talk about metal filter chair?

Jessamyn 29:21 metal filter,

Cortex 29:22 metal filter,

Jessamyn 29:24 and metal filter last year.

Cortex 29:27 Last year. Did I stutter? Yeah, no, I'm curious what was going.

Jessamyn 29:34 That was that was the edits of the songs that removed the beats. And it was six times and I have no idea why

Cortex 29:43 do you Oh, double note was listed as it was. It was kind of a double and I think it was kind of a double but I was like, fuck it.

Jessamyn 29:53 And then there is Oh my God, tell me I didn't forget. Oh, no. Yeah. Somebody just made a post. I did. Leave it was see I didn't link that one. So we're just gonna listen to me filling some space here while I was gonna

Cortex 30:06 mention the one you're looking for. Yeah, so explain this

Jessamyn 30:11 to me like you made this post a year ago and how is this post not a double post of

Cortex 30:17 it's a different blog doing it with different stuff and okay, I'll tell you exactly what happened here,

Jessamyn 30:22 put the link in because so there's

Cortex 30:25 a there's a post from a few days ago by Kay Tomash. Who is a guy named Tamasha, loser hungry, longtime fit, and a XOXO person too. And that's how we ended up sort of becoming friends. Because he came out to XOXO a year or two ago. I'm trying to remember the exact timing but anyway Metafilter person, but I also know him through the XOXO community and someone had come across. So clavey, which is the lead link in this post, which was trimmed down version of kami maybe by Carly Rae Jepsen. And it came up in discussion on the XOXO, Slack. And someone was like, oh, yeah, and I think Tomas was like, oh, man, I wanna make a post about this. And he's like, Oh, but they're kind of was a post about this. And I was like, you know, make a post about it. Just go make a post about it. It's okay, we can do fun things more than once. And he did. And it's very nice. And the distinction between his post it's like, a year or so after mine, and my post that got like, Six Flags as double is that my post was apparently literally three days after someone else. Similar. And again, it wasn't there wasn't a strict double,

Jessamyn 31:34 you're still needed, just because you work there. Yeah. Like, you know, flag, everything you do from now on, just get out?

Cortex 31:44 Well, and also like, sort of inconsistent, like, trying to be somewhat consistent with like, how I've been, like, trying to not be like, letter of the law about double posts. In general, like, you know, I think, I think the, the double posting is something that like, has some utility, but it's something that definitely grew out of like, boy, it's crowded on the front page, you know, 12 years ago, when the front page was, you know, at its

Jessamyn 32:09 peak, we were all reading it 300 baht or whatever the hell we were doing. Yeah.

Cortex 32:13 And to some extent, you know, there was, I think, I don't know, just more of a general desire to have the rules about the things we can have. So

Jessamyn 32:21 yeah, you guys have been relaxing all kinds of rules lately. Yeah. And

Cortex 32:25 it feels feels like more normal. And it's something it's weird to kind of, like, try and retrain my thinking chair towards that, but like I, you know, looking at it, and like, what is actually going to serve like, you know, the community working well versus? No, I see that satisfaction with rules. Yeah. Anyway,

Jessamyn 32:43 I did listen to some of these songs. And it did make me completely agitated. And I had to,

Cortex 32:49 I feel like it's a very, like, yeah, it's like, this is gonna work for you, or it's not sort of thing. I love them. I love the sort of thing to do. We may not ever gotten around to describing the actual conceit of the post. The idea is you take a song, okay. And the songs got, like, you know, it's got a meter to four chords like that. 123423433. Yep, yeah. So if you take the 12342234, and you just cut out, everything is 13131313. All of a sudden, you have a song where the chords change twice as fast, half the words are missing well, and depending

Jessamyn 33:25 on the song, it can be a completely different song, or it can be kinda the same song, but in a weird speed.

Cortex 33:32 Yeah, and it's so much depends on just what the content of the song is underneath. And people don't write songs with cutting out every other, you know, beat in mind. So the stuff that works and the stuff that doesn't stuff that's weird, and the stuff that's natural,

Jessamyn 33:47 really, it just kind of thing is exceptional. So something is pretty good. So clavey

Cortex 33:51 is really good, too. One of the things I like about this, I like how transformative it is like it, it really takes us on and creates this new weird thing. You know, sometimes a big departure from the original sometimes just like a weird close cousin to the original. But either way, you get something new and you get something new, very, very algorithmically. They're like this is not something that requires creative decision making this is just like let's do this mathematical thing to the site.

Jessamyn 34:18 Great right let's do it shift and get a new thing out of it. You're a tub thumping is amazing and doesn't give me like a heart attack like whatever the other one was in here you alien and farm what is it? Are you okay? Any?

Cortex 34:33 Yeah, Annie, are you okay? Yeah. I want to do this with you with like a system with the down song. Right anyway. The other thing I like about this specific technique of ruling over the beat is it's an algorithmic transformation of a song which as I said, I'm basically down for that anytime. But compare this to for example, the thing several years ago that was like all the rage, which was like, slowing things down by like, two to eight times original length and all smeared and equity. And I love that too. But that you end up with a 40 minute long song this year, a minute and a half. And, yeah, so it's kind of ideal, you could like experience a lot of nothingness in a short amount of time instead of just vapor waving an hour away.

Jessamyn 35:42 Which reminds me, I was filling in at a library last week, because I'm on the sub list. So like if some random library needs a person, and I just kind of like parachute in and the librarian for the day, and so I was looking to get, you know, like a handout that's like, Okay, how do you do the thing? How does this work? Let me know how to do this. Because, you know, there's procedures and they vary a little bit. And so instead of that, what I got was a 25 minute shakey cam, I'm walking around the library with my phone video that showed me where everything was, and showed me how to do things in a completely not helpful way. Plus, it was 25 minutes. But so I watched it at like 1.5 speed. And it was awesome, because it took significantly less time. And, you know, Lord loves this librarian, but it was kind of mostly bullshit. Anyhow, you know, like, here's the biographies. And I'm like, god dammit, I can read that on the wall. Just tell me how to unlock the door. But I've never watched kind of a video you're supposed to watch, like, faster. I don't listen to podcasts faster. And I don't know why I haven't. I felt somehow that it was like being unfaithful to whatever. So yeah, it was an experience I enjoy.

Cortex 36:58 I think it's a useful thing. And like, you can do that with like YouTube in general, right? I think you can just like arbitrarily watch videos that like one and a half or two times. I'm

Jessamyn 37:08 rarely watching YouTube to like learn anything. I'm usually watching it because like, I want to watch it like a music video or something.

Cortex 37:14 Yeah, well, yeah. I share that general disinclination do it because yeah, I tend to, even with podcasts, I can understand people doing it for podcasts, like depending on what you're listening for, and how you process information. But a lot of the a lot of podcasts, I listen to our comedy podcasts. And you know, the secret to timing is good comedy, like you. If you take like if you cut the pauses and you cut the reaction times down and stuff like that. I think that just wouldn't work. It would be like listening to music too fast. And I will listen to sped up music every once in a while if I'm in the mood for like weird broken music, but I'm very rarely in the mood for like weird broken comedy audio, like it's just not going to happen. Yeah. So yeah, I don't It's like It's like watching something in the wrong aspect ratio. You know, I don't want to intentionally

Jessamyn 38:05 it makes him It gives him the fidgets I never noticed I'm just like, oh, humans got shorter since the last. Well, speaking of double post, my post this month, was actually a accidental repost, because it had all sorts of different links as to something that was previously Thank you, chard hosk. from Flickr 2007. Because, you know, I don't usually post about things that are new, I just post about like a funny thing that I found out about. So I found out that my Rod Stewart was a model railroad fanatic, and was on the cover of Model Railroader magazine, and actually goes out of his way he travels with his trains on the road. He's got a whole like roomful of trains in his Beverly Hills house. It's hilarious, but it's not new. And so Adams basically posted about it posted about it in 2007 actually getting more comments than my posts in 2019, which has got to tell you something. And it was just, you know, it was kind of a funny little thing, but I was chagrin that I hadn't found it because I don't usually search tags, I just search links, and all the links are different.

Cortex 39:22 And I think that I think it's, I mean, I don't all search, if it's something new, I'll search the link. If it's something that's not new, I'll usually just search text and like, if I find it, I find it if I don't, I don't And every once in awhile, it's turned out that like, I missed something that I couldn't search more thoroughly for, but, I mean, I wouldn't ask anybody else to search that much more thoroughly, either. So it's like whatever. Right? And I'll also I think, you know, 12 years later saying, You know what, Rod Stewart still fucking into trains. I think that's okay. Like that's,

Jessamyn 39:48 it was like a new thing. Like he went to Lake he was playing in Boston, and he took like a side trip to go visit some model train collector in Peabody, which is actually where Jim grew up. So that solarium and there's photos of him like at this dude's house admiring his trains. And I don't it just made me laugh. Like, you know, I don't think much about Rod Stewart one way or the other. I listened to too much of him when I was a kid. Thank you, Mom and Dad. But other than that, yeah, it was nice to know something else besides the fact that his pants continue to be too.

Cortex 40:22 Well, I didn't make two different posts that I'm going to talk about, hey, one is Johnny wallflower. A few days ago made a post about a guy named Jay ampersands, who is just a really good, like physical stuntman, comedian. Essentially, he makes videos of himself doing various, you know, Goofy, sort of like broken parkour stunts. Like he'll just like, walk along and like, trip across a pole. It's in his path and just like spin around it, and then just keep walking or slide down a hill under a reason. Like he's really good. And I'd seen his stuff on social media. Probably.

Jessamyn 41:01 I'm just watching it now. And I cannot stand it. Wow, it's

Cortex 41:04 really excellent stuff. And I'd had to

Jessamyn 41:07 trust a little pictures too, right. Like that's the same Johnny son.

Cortex 41:12 No, no, no, no, no, I sense.

Jessamyn 41:14 I'm seeing my Johnny waffling about, for God's sake. I'm reading the Twitter thread. Ah, all right. Good. Yes. Two different making sense.

Cortex 41:24 Anyway. It's great. It's wonderful. It's good fun. I had like, left it open to the tab and that honey should make a post about that. And I just didn't and then Johnny did and that's perfect. Because I don't have to do any work.

Jessamyn 41:32 Well, and I think when we look back years from now and wonder when did the word viral or enter our vocabulary? This is going to be one of the things that they quote. Is Johnny wallflower saying viral? Yeah. Okay, good, because I didn't think they look the same, but I was confused. Alright. Great.

Cortex 41:58 The other post I didn't make had been made several times and like to thoroughly for it to be remotely possible for me to get away with a double post. Made it Josh, you run the place? I Yeah, but this is this is what makes it like, like, we've had exactly the post I would have made about it, you know, like at least two times maybe three. But it is this thing that for all I know, we talked about this on a podcast six years ago when it first happened, but I had since forgotten that there's a guy who named ad Harvey. And this is this is a post from 2013. I'm linking from pm Dixon about this thing and the something that Times Literary,

Jessamyn 42:39 I don't understand any of this.

Cortex 42:41 So basically, basically what happened is a guy named ad Harvey who's just a guy who is like a outsider scholar, failed scholar. Stephanie Harvey is one of many pen names used by AD Harvey, in what turns out to be this tremendous web of bullshit. in service of kind of propping up his own writing, and maybe just being a little bit of a like, academic edge Lord. It's,

Jessamyn 43:16 like met each other.

Cortex 43:19 Okay, so here's the thing. It's called when the title of the article which is the original Lincoln, the old post doesn't work, but it's the actual article still up on the Times Literary Supplement. When Dickens does say iski it's there's this anecdote about that Dostoevsky wrote a letter about, at one point his life about 16 years earlier, when he had been in London and met Dickens and Dickens had opened up to him a little bit about the sort of his sense of duality of his own nature and the way he wrote his characters were the the good characters were sort of modeled after the man he wished he was and on the other hand, Dickinson's villains were modelled on the man he's felt himself to be and this is very resonant with like, people speculation about Dickens anyway, so it's a beautiful like, amazing, too hard to not quote bit about dusk, AFC talking about Dickens and the thing is, is totally never happened. This completely did not happen. It doesn't even make sense for it to have happened. But it ended up being quoted up from a little bit in a ditch. Like Dickens related newsletter quoted up through scholarship and then into multiple Dickens biographies where everybody online was like, Well, I mean, there's citations on the old thing I'm referring so this must be true. And you know, so this bubbles up to the point where everybody's like, this is something that's the fuck up with this. Clearly made up anecdote attributed to a non existent Russian

Jessamyn 44:42 like a thorough Neck Beard story.

Cortex 44:45 I don't know that the Roanoke Burg Neck Beard,

Jessamyn 44:48 like like people said that, like Louisa May Alcott made fun of Thoreau's neck beard, and it's because somebody had added a citation to Wikipedia saying that and then it it linked to like some 16 Volume Emerson said that nobody had bothered to dig around in. But now that we can, now that we can search by keyword those things, we found out that it never happened. It's not a sock puppetry story, but it is kind of a, you know, the thing propagated out.

Cortex 45:15 Yeah, yeah. An accumulation of of errors based on

Jessamyn 45:20 Yeah. And then you can't undo it and even you know, people post at any rate, go anyway,

Cortex 45:26 it's fascinating and people should go read it because it's really good. But you know, people maybe did read it back in 2013. Or maybe they read it last year when petrogenesis made a follow up post about it. Which talks about the original sort of hoax that the original article when Dickens met Dostoevsky is such a good read it's like it's it's a 15 minute long yarn that is just amazing. Because it just it's it's red. It's red string on a cork board but for real and in like literary hoaxing, and it's just amazing. And then pirate Genesis is post last year includes a follow up. interview, I think, yeah, with with the guy, the journalist went and talked to the guy and said, Hey, so this thing that you told this elaborate series of academic lives, essentially, what's the deal with that? I think the guy's like, it was what people don't understand that I'm actually just very creative. It's like, Well, okay, but anyway, it's, it's great. It's a good story. The follow up is interesting. And I didn't make a post about it. Because that's been posted, like thoroughly, like, there's nothing that needs posting that hasn't already been. But I enjoyed it.

Jessamyn 46:28 But let's still talk about it because it was cool.

Cortex 46:31 Yeah, exactly. You know, there's lots of stuff in the archives and that's one of them.

Jessamyn 46:35 Great. Another post that I enjoyed I always talked to Jim the night before we did the podcast and I'm like, what have you enjoyed on metal filter? Because like asked me to filter I live there. metal filter. I pop in and out right? So this goes in line with the play play play hate hate hate, which was the link to the old take out the beats. And this is we were we're Repeat, repeat, repeat. Repeat. It's a 40 minute YouTube video of a dot matrix printer printing a banner of a hot dog Okay, bicep Boonie What are you

Cortex 47:17 just took me second i i processed that image Marie

Jessamyn 47:23 30 comments.

Cortex 47:26 I mean, I love this

Jessamyn 47:27 we had to deal with this is one of the tags. Get off my lawn is one of the other ones. But like this was our lives. Maybe Maybe you're too young?

Cortex 47:38 No, no, I had printed shit on. We had we had a dot matrix printer and Liz a print shop pro print magic. I don't remember exactly what we had. Probably. Well, we've had an Amiga. So we always had like a different piece of software, like people had elsewhere. So

Jessamyn 47:55 like, some set of Adidas or something.

Cortex 47:58 Yeah, yeah, who fucking knows exactly what it was? All it

Jessamyn 48:02 is, is the caption of dot matrix printer sounds if you have the closed captioning,

Cortex 48:06 turned that on. Dying hoarsely of our childhoods glorious it is 40 minutes long. This is amazing. No, no, I did this or did I? Here's what happened. I didn't see this. I didn't see this post originally. So this is new information to me. And I'm delighted. But when you said the sentence, 40 minutes of a dot matrix printer, printing a banner of a hot dog, it's now I managed to hear dog instead of dot the first time and my brain knows that my brain knows that a dog matrix printer isn't a thing. So it sort of figured out that there was a dot matrix involved. But it was also simultaneously trying to figure out how the dog was involved. And then it says Ben are the hot dog that reinforced the dog thing, but I got hot dog too. And so my immediate mental image was a dog watching a printer print a hot dog. I love that. I would like you know and

Jessamyn 48:57 do better is if there was a dog there.

Cortex 49:01 Yeah, exactly. So I kind of went on a whole little emotional journey over the five seconds took me to person ketchup is all No, this is fucking delightful. This is great. Yeah.

Jessamyn 49:11 Yeah. And it's just because it's another one of those like metal filter things where metal filters got a great combination of like older people, younger people. So you know, the older old timers can be like you wouldn't believe what we had to go through. And, you know, the younger people are like, tell me what it was like grandpa like it's just it's always super fun. I included the link to the Jeopardy thing that we were talking about earlier. Oh, excellent. Just because there was a post about it is today the fourth? Today's the fourth?

Cortex 49:42 I think so. Yeah. That's the fourth of June.

Jessamyn 49:45 Yeah. So Etrigan made a post about it. The Jeopardy thing. beat beat by a librarian and just adorable little thread there. And that wraps up. Me and Matt To filter but if you have

Cortex 50:01 I'll speed round a few things well and I'll

Jessamyn 50:04 see if maybe I commented anything while you're speed rounding Sure.

Cortex 50:08 Carter made a post just yesterday. Another long

Jessamyn 50:12 time or name? Yeah. About

Cortex 50:15 an optical illusion of a diamond that looks like it's constantly moving and it's an optical illusion the meat here is go look at it because I'm gonna describe it it's not gonna be very interesting to me but I love a good optical well the meat of the thing that I like about this the meat of this where's the picture? It's it's it's the hot dog the hot dog is the meat of the paper I wasn't trying to get there

Jessamyn 50:41 it's freaking me out.

Cortex 50:43 I know right? So anyway, go look at it because it's great animated GIF. So essentially it is moving

Jessamyn 50:49 it's just not moving well, but it's not moving

Cortex 50:54 you know there's Yes. Anyway, it's great. Go check it out.

Jessamyn 50:58 I appreciate the concept of like, Man When did sales journal start putting banner ads across the top that's so weird

Cortex 51:07 ever do puts terrible stuff across everything? What's the fucking Yeah. lobstermen mitten made nice post about Jethro Tull Ian Anderson just writing about the history of the flutes he has owned and

Jessamyn 51:21 not to lobster mittens posts on this, but I saw it zipping around the internet. I loved it.

Cortex 51:26 I mean, she just posted. Keep it real. Yeah, it's a it's a couple. It's a couple pages of him just talking about flute stuff. And it's great, awesome. And maybe reassuring for anybody who has this impression that anybody who gets into music like does so like in some correct way. He's sort of picked up a flute and was really bad at for a while and also plays it in super weird way that you're not supposed to. And he's a super famous rock flutist, so fuck it, you know, do you? There is a post that Madeline conspiracy made a couple days ago.

Jessamyn 51:58 I was wondering if you were gonna mention him.

Cortex 52:03 squeaked it in there. The guy named burls art who just among other things, maybe makes guitars out of weird stuff. And so he made a guitar out of nothing but epoxy resin, various stripes of it. He's made some out of like colored pencils, Styrofoam, job breakers. Other stuffs it's just it's like 1312 13 minute long videos of a guy making a guitar. And it's a weird guitar every time and it's fun to watch. And yeah, I lost an hour to that without drying. One of the first comments in there is from

Jessamyn 52:41 talking about guitars. No.

Cortex 52:44 I don't know if punk. Yeah, he shows up eventually. Yeah, he shows up. But the thing I was thinking of was Thelonious linked to another thing which was guy talking about a ceramic guitar like the entire guitar is actually a hollow like slip cast ceramic object which is crazy. Some guy apparently made a few of these in like late 60s and any I don't know it's fun thread is cool. And, and yes, bonk lifted chapter chatter a little bit. And he's been making a little Eddie Van Halen. I don't remember what Van Halen is actual name or like red monster or something. Yeah. But yeah, he he's been he found like a shitty little like, kids scale, Telecaster and Stratocaster. And he's just been like, reviving it into something that actually functions and looks different. And so he made it as sort of Eddie Van Halen knockoff it's been very fun to watch that fun school over social media.

Jessamyn 53:42 This is Corbett speaking paradise. Tape arrived here yesterday when I was younger, and we as a family life case

Cortex 54:11 Oh, yeah. Sorry. Wait, no, no, no. After you might hear all

Jessamyn 54:17 hands. Well, I was looking at this. You know, I'm always a sucker for those like a map of the US in which each block is the block. This is by Sylvan shine. Sylvan trying posted at the end of May and you can zoom in and out and each city name is replaced by the person from that place with the most Wikipedia traffic. And I was really hoping for my town it would be me.

Cortex 54:46 Steve Jobs I'm not fucking making this up. Portland says Steve Jobs. He zoomed all the way to the fucking us and like it says Steve Jobs Portland and I don't know why that is. Yeah, why the fuck Steve Jobs I added it so many so many people were listening to the medical podcast last year and got really hype about all my really, really good, not tedious Steve Jobs free association jokes. And now I've changed the landscape of Portland's Wikipedia traffic forever. Man came sack off real big and St. Helens and Katie Stackhouse from St. Helens. Oh, that would make sense. I guess. Maybe Maybe it's because

Jessamyn 55:28 it's not a city. I don't know. I should be there. I mean, it's Dosia. Mamet, I think David Mamet's daughter.

Cortex 55:38 Wait also Steve Jobs from Portland? Is that the deal? Lived in born and lived in or connected? I don't know what Steve Jobs Connect.

Jessamyn 55:44 Oh, wait, maybe I can still be in my hometown. You could just

Cortex 55:51 this is good radio, everybody. Sorry.

Jessamyn 55:52 For your your scrolling?

Cortex 55:55 Well, anyway, congratulations to Walter Willett from

Jessamyn 56:00 make any mistakes Chris Evans. Hey, there's Chris Fleming's Who the fuck is Bill Rogers.

Cortex 56:07 This is Vicki pop is from or connected to or lived in Mosca Gan? Was that Michigan? Yeah, it's Michigan. The myth? Oh, we should stop. Anyway, this is a very cool thing that I feel like I just figured out how to

Jessamyn 56:19 make hometown won the Boston Marathon four times, and I've never heard of them. Oh, nice.

Cortex 56:24 Well, I mean, they're, they're at least 100 And something miles away now. So but I mean, my hometown marathon joke because I don't understand. I don't I don't really understand. Are you for

Jessamyn 56:34 a marathon is 26 miles. 4.8.

Cortex 56:39 Yeah. 104 is 100 and something modulo. I mean, well, modulo what though?

Jessamyn 56:47 Oh, then Madeline Sweeney, who was a victim of a terrorist attack. Steve Carell says that in many towns, all right. Yeah. You ever

Cortex 56:58 hear yourself laughing inappropriately because you're laughing inappropriately like, oh, terrorism victim? Oh, I should laugh at that. Oh, I should laugh at the fact that why am I laughing? Yeah.

Jessamyn 57:06 She married a guy grew up down the street from and she was on one of the 911 planes. Like it's just super, like, very well known story at this point. And, you know, a bomber, a serious bomber.

Cortex 57:20 Well, one of the things I will mention from no filter, bit of internet history that now is like, the status but you're the man no dog is is down forever now. Except maybe it's not.

Jessamyn 57:30 It's been not. I mean, well,

Cortex 57:33 but that's the thing that was it was not clear why it was down. Like it had been badly neglect, like the backup for the round me made a post about the history of a site called you were the man now dog YTM, which, if you were on the internet, in like 2004 was a big thematic meme machine. And the way it worked, it was so stupid, but this was like the early 2000s. And this is how our technology was back then kids. It was a site where people would create content that was a combination of text, just like large headline text laid over the page on top, static or looped GIF. And also, yes, some kind of loop audio file. And sometimes the GIF or GIF loop would time correctly with the audio file that they looped together in a meaningful way. If your browser successfully loaded them both at the same time, which it usually wouldn't, because internet was slower back then. So you would load the page, let the animated GIF load, let the audio load and then refresh and count on your browser cache retaining both of those downloaded things so that then they would start at the same time and sync up correctly. Assuming your browser also did the turnaround time on the loop for each of those correctly, which not all of them did in various ways. It was terrible. It was it was

Jessamyn 58:59 it was literally gather show. Yeah, no. And

Cortex 59:02 so this was this was yeah, this was this was like this was the destination for weird meme ship. And

Jessamyn 59:11 apparently, odds are like I can't

Cortex 59:14 I won't say earlier I want to say like, by the time YouTube came along, it was kind of bad news for YTMND like, what YTMND was like a bad idea from the get go as technology but it was there and it sort of worked and so fuck it good enough for us. You know, we've got our hoop we've got our sticks let's go fucking play. It was just like a terrible Cluj. And then like, internet got faster and YouTube came along and all of a sudden you could like just post fucking video and all of a sudden, like Jerry rigging your animated GIFs and your, you know, WAV files started to seem like a pretty stupid way to go and YTMND kind of update its architecture a little bit at some point to try and get off of flash but that never really worked. And then many years went by and it's just like it's it's a desiccated husk of what it was the community that used to be like pretty active is very very stripped down to like just

Jessamyn 1:00:05 like a weird All right hangout which is one a new

Cortex 1:00:09 finish and shitty racist and sexist instead like they got an early on just being sort of awful the way stuff that in retrospect boy that was pretty awful if you went looking close like they got there early before it was a naughty thing it was just a shitty internet edge Lord thing where racist and misogynist were definitely in the mix there. So if you went poking around too long, you found a lot of

Jessamyn 1:00:30 lately or poorly moderated if at all? Yeah. Yeah, like there

Cortex 1:00:33 definitely wasn't a well, we need to like have a respectful community like thing there. Anyway, all this time passes. It's basically defunct, and then it just straight up went offline with some clumsy gateway or not found error a few weeks ago. And people are like, well, I guess they finally did it. And so Rami put together this pretty excellent roundup post of a sort of the history and some of the greatest hits from it. And then twist at the end, the guy who runs it eventually followed up saying, oh, man, I didn't know it was offline. Yeah, no, that wasn't on purpose. But boy, it's also I don't know, maybe it should just stay offline. And now they're launching a patreon to modernize it and bring it back up, which is provisionally a good thing, or possibly a bad thing. But I don't know. It's weird. It's weird thinking, okay. 20 years after the fact we're going to try and give this thing another go. And it's, it's like going to a funeral and finding Oh, no, no, no, I'm not actually dead yet. And when that happens to a website, it's it's strange. So it's a big complicated thing, basically. And that's that, yes. A little bit longer than a minute. That's right. Should we discuss the AskMe? Metafilter?

Jessamyn 1:01:57 Yes, there was a whole bunch of stuff I saw in AskMe Metafilter from the helped me generate a list to the I'm trying to solve this problem. One from most recent was fencing gal, has a new car, which got me fight help to get it and wants to organize it effectively and have it look nice, the entire interior is black. What do you put in your car, preferably with nice colors that help it stay nice and organized. Because I think for a lot of us, there's a point at which you, like, switch over from like, the supermarket bag around your stick shift or, you know, shift her full of garbage to like, not that, you know what I mean? And like a stack of napkins from like a Dunkin Donuts or something to, you know, an organized slightly more grown up car, depending. But in this case, lots of people gave fencing gal. Lots of advice of what you could put in your car to help it be nicer.

Cortex 1:02:59 Nice. It was. Like, I have a very utilitarian like, approach to my car. Like, we want to keep it clean and functional. But like I don't really have like we put bumper stickers on the outside, but the inside it's car shaped.

Jessamyn 1:03:13 What do you what do you put trash in? Do not generate trash on the house?

Cortex 1:03:17 Yeah, if it's if it's bigger than, like a clean wrapper for something that fits in a cup holder, it just goes in the trash when we get out the car.

Jessamyn 1:03:25 Wow, that sounds actually pretty organized. But you don't drive that much. Right. I mean, you work at home.

Cortex 1:03:31 Yeah. Not a ton. Like, like, we use the car several times a week, probably. But it's like for like popping out to the store or like going to eat somewhere or something like that. So yeah, it's not like we're like doing a daily commute or anything. There's not really a situation where there's going to be habitual creation of trash in the car or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Last I think we just don't have that situation. Lucky. I liked this question from MIDI shoe puppet. Where can I buy very large containers of toothpaste?

Jessamyn 1:04:02 Oh, I like this too. Because this has always gotten my goat, right? Like there's certain things that I'm just gonna like eat or use that thing forever. Right? And yet, I've got to buy cough drops 100 at a time because I can't buy 5000 cough drops and what I want is 5000 cough drops. And so this is you know, a question specifically about toothpaste but it you know, winds up having people talk about bulk stuff in general, and people kind of explain, like, you kind of can't unless you were like you can put a lot together. I was fascinated by the toothpaste transfer tool. So that you can take toothpaste and put it in something that is smaller. So like you know, let's say you've got a big toothpaste but what you need to do is take toothpaste on an airplane, you can't take your toothpaste on the airplane. So this person makes the toothpaste transfer tool which is basically gluing two toothpaste blades together and then drilling all through the two of them. But you'd have to make your own giant toothpaste is an instructable thing. And you couldn't, you know,

Cortex 1:05:10 yeah, at that point, what's the point? Like, you know, I mean, I guess the point where we have a try and pick a toothpaste, but yeah,

Jessamyn 1:05:17 yeah, but it's an interesting question. And you know, bulk stuff is kind of interesting, in its own way, and like the old toothpaste idea, like, I think there's a lot of stuff that people DIY. And I think people are less likely to DIY toothpaste and other things. Even though you can like make your own tooth powder. You can use Dr. Bronner's like you can do all this stuff. But when you hear people talking about DIY stuff, like DIY toothpaste is just above like DIY toilet paper as like a thing that people just tend to not do.

Cortex 1:05:47 Yeah, yeah, you're gonna, it feels like it would need a fairly specific motivation to bother. Yeah, it's a

Jessamyn 1:05:52 huge hassle for very little return toothpaste is fairly inexpensive.

Cortex 1:05:57 Like, if you have if you have a very specific sort of sensitivity or mouthfeel problem, and you need an exact formulation, then maybe you're gonna chase it down. But yeah, otherwise, it's like, you know, you only use so much in a given month. And there's a lot of varieties out there. And so you probably just find what you want. But

Jessamyn 1:06:13 well, and I'm getting to the point where I'm actually at almost the end of a tube of toothpaste, which, you know, happens to be about once every, I don't know year, like, I get a big tube of toothpaste, I don't use it, like I use it every day, but I don't use that much of it. So I don't have to make this choice very often of like what the best I want. And I'm gonna go to the drugstore and have to deal with the wall of toothpaste, and always agonized over whether I should like try like a flavor that seems better. But like the expensive, those flavors are more expensive, and maybe I'll like it. And then I've spent six bucks on toothpaste and then I feel like a chump when Pepsodent is like $2. But it's not very good. You know, like, these things, thinking these things, I'm gonna have to make this toothpaste decision at some point. So I will think about this thread. We probably

Cortex 1:07:00 talked about this before on the podcast, but that's definitely a thing that I try and sort of like give myself room on is trying to not agonize over a purchase that is of like low and infrequent consequence. Like, if I'm going to buy a tube of toothpaste every couple months, say and it's going to cost me you know, single digit number of dollars. This is not something that is going to have like a big financial impact if I fuck up, like I'm not gonna be like, oh shit, shit, shit, why did I buy that tube of toothpaste? And now it turns out, I don't like it very much.

Jessamyn 1:07:34 It's not the thing for me. It's the thing about like, is it really worth an extra dollar to get something different? You know, because I'm such a creature of habit. Like, I'm not worried about regret. I'm more worried about Yeah, I did spend extra money on like some deodorant that's got some really good smell in it. And I have to admit, my quality of life has increased. You know what I mean? Because like cheap deodorant, it's like a buck and like expensive deodorant, maybe like eight bucks. And I don't wear it that often. Because I mostly, you know, work at home and whatever. I don't impress myself at home. But I went for the extra stuff and was like, Oh, hey, Jessamyn. That's not bad. Yeah. And

Cortex 1:08:12 it's like, it's like, how how many dollars over the course of a year is the difference? And how big is the improvement? And what's the range of scale of great like that being a problem, like, does it rise to the point where that should be a thing that you even do agonize about? I mean,

Jessamyn 1:08:29 myself out of it being a ridiculous thing, but it doesn't stop me when I'm at the drugstore.

Cortex 1:08:37 Yeah, well, I think that's the thing is, like, I, I think I figured out at some point that I was like, very much capable of that kind of paralysis and I still am. But at some point, I sort of decided that I just didn't want to deal with that if I had the choice. And so I just sort of got to the point of not so much changing my brain but just like short circuiting that thing by saying, You know what, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna just like make a good enough decision and fucking move on and just not even get a chance to start going

Jessamyn 1:09:05 to get in the kit now. And usually I get around that by buying the same thing I bought for the last 10 years. Yeah, and but what I enjoy now is like going to the dentist can store and then you can buy like, you know, deodorant costs a quarter. And you can try like seven different kinds of give the other six kinds to the thrift store. Well, they'll, they will inconceivably take the odor it and then sell it to people. But yeah,

Cortex 1:09:29 I mean, what's gonna happen to they're gonna get smelly. I mean, think about

Jessamyn 1:09:32 touch somebody else in the armpit. Dude, I don't understand people's hygiene things and AskMe Metafilter at frickin all so I just assumed that everybody else is fussy about this kind of stuff when I No, no, no, literally in a thread and asked Metafilter was like, but I'm from the dirt eating generation. So I'll find that one in a second. But

Cortex 1:09:52 I think I think the idea of of use deodorant is very naturally sort of like weird like, pah, right? It's, it's also at the same time like the part that touch someone's armpit is in their armpit now, you know, it's like there's there's arguments on both sides. It's there was I read some, some, some better research at some point about the idea that people will transfer the idea of sort of like disgust or closeness or dirtiness in a totally like, self perceived non rational way. And it won't stop them from feeling that way about it. Like, if the idea is say, you take a piece of poop, okay? I don't know a better

Jessamyn 1:10:30 we had this conversation already. I'm from New England, I cannot finish that sentence, take

Cortex 1:10:35 a piece of poop, put it in the jar, touch the jar to something else. And people will perceive that other things. A transitive property. Yeah, even though they know that that jar is sealed. They know that there's no poop on the outside of that jar. They know the thing that it touched itself is wrapped up, but it's still like, well, but now that's those are the poop socks. That's the socks that you touched with the poop thing, you know. And you know, there's something very real about that

Jessamyn 1:10:58 sense of like socks are permeable. Where a glass jars Well,

Cortex 1:11:02 socks in a plastic bag, pick them at random, like, you know, the point is, like, we know on the one hand that nothing happened there. On the other hand, like all of a sudden, just the fact that that happened, creates this sort of gross valence. So I was like to

Jessamyn 1:11:14 read an article about that transference. Because that listening to people talk about this stuff. Oh, and I found the thread that I was talking about. It's actually about tooth brushing. So it's completely curious. The question this is this is by the primroses were over. And lobsterman says this also podcast, is that a podcast thing? She talked about this on the podcast, I don't even know what our note means. But basically, it's a question from somebody about whether you dry your toothbrush with a towel, or you let it dry in the bathroom. And it's one of those who was the weirdo in this relationship question. Yeah. But then lots of people talk about their perceived ideas about toothbrush, hygiene, which are all the fuck over the map? I would imagine. Well, I was sort of surprised, right? Because, I mean, again, I know that I'm way out on the bell curve on most of these things. But it would never occur to me that if you are a person, I don't know. I was surprised at some of the answers. Let me see. And, and I also was like, I'm from the dirt eating generation, which is my comment because I just some of these things I never even learned to care about when I was of the age that you probably could create caring feelings about this. And now I'm just one of those people who's like, ah, you know, what?

Cortex 1:12:37 I'm surprised that there's a variety of opinions because what fucking bathroom thing has ever not produced a bizarre variety of opinions on ask me like, it's not so much like, Oh, I get it. Yeah, toothbrushes are complicated. It's more like, pick anything pick literally anything and I'm sure there's something fucking weird going on with that.

Jessamyn 1:12:54 Right? If it has to do with like feet, bathrooms, and like you expect it with things like kids, you know, complicated family relationships, but also Yeah, bathroom. So yeah, I enjoyed that thread because I learned a lot about how other people feel about these things while traveling and and you know, some of it is also encouraged by like the toothbrush industry, right? Who would really like you to buy a new toothbrush every three months, even though you're realistically

Cortex 1:13:24 subscribed to quip. And we should start doing sponsored ads. Whenever I listen to enough podcasts that I hear variety of

Jessamyn 1:13:32 aggravated that ad makes me because I hear it on some of these podcasts that I listened to. And I think you're supposed to feel better about it because the guy is British. But like, it's like a subscription toothpaste thing. And there's like some special amount of time. I don't believe any of it. I don't believe he's done all this research. I mean, I think he's done like, you know, Google it research. And it's just so smug. Like I'm brushing my teeth wrong, and I need to buy a thing to fix it instead of like a $3 toothbrush once a year. No, I don't believe it. It's aggravating. He's smug sounding.

Cortex 1:14:06 This is a fascinating development for me because it sounds like you're hearing an actual honest to goodness old fashion like produced ad for this. I like all the podcasts I listened to that I hear ads on their fucking like, you know, ads read by the podcast. No,

Jessamyn 1:14:22 no, this is an actual inserted ad. I don't know if it's on 99 PII? No, because then PII is just Roman Mars talking about how much he loves their surveillance. Now maybe it's no such thing as fish. I'm trying to remember where I hear it. I only listen to like three podcasts. But ya know, it's the guy who invented it talking about how smart he is.

Cortex 1:14:47 Yeah, no, no, I hear everything through like, like, like Scott Aukerman doing sort of intentionally terrible long form ads for stuff or the McElroy brothers or that sort of thing. It's always just like, yep, Podcast ad break from the podcaster. So, man, that's weird. It's weird to realize I don't feel like I've heard like, straight up ads on any podcast I listened to. It's always like the Anala word from our sponsors.

Jessamyn 1:15:12 I've heard that many which is why that one was so surprising. I think it was on no such No, but they do their own ads to where have I heard somebody help me. But yeah, no, I meant

Cortex 1:15:28 almost Jim Carrey there

Jessamyn 1:15:35 was no one walking in them was that joke they make their head and they go. What's that? Oh, and I just like a quick shout out to more librarian stuff, which was the Ryan shepherd. I need to see the table of contents for volume 29 of the journal Japan quarterly to track down an article answered in seven minutes by SK 932. That's Fanta and I don't even know who that person is. I don't know if SK 932 is a librarian. Yeah, they work in tech services. Hurray. Another person to add as a contact. And this is a reminder to anybody who is a librarian who wants to know who the librarians are on metal filter. Anyone who was marked as a colleague of mine are all the librarians that I know of on metal filter. I just got to be a way to give you a link right?

Cortex 1:16:46 Yeah, you linked us here like contacts page on your profile.

Jessamyn 1:16:49 I can link to my colleagues list. To the best best of my knowledge the 367 librarians at least on meta filter those some are banned. Well, there's no difference between banned and disabled, right.

Cortex 1:17:07 Yeah, someone's account or had a closed I think dead shows up in a different color.

Jessamyn 1:17:12 Well, but I'm the classic. I'm in classic theme. So who knows?

Cortex 1:17:17 But actually, you know, I'm not seeing any color differentiation. In modern on this view, either. I think it's it just doesn't show Okay. In this specific view. This is good pocket. Another asked metaphor. The question that I liked was this from a few days ago from dirty old town asking about what show build it was that they are remembering that had a scene where? Well, I'll just read the question. I'm trying to recall the film or TV show that features a scene where a killer speaks matter of factly to a boy whose father he just killed, that he knows the boy will likely come looking for him later and that he understands I believe it includes a line something like you're probably going to feel some kind of way about this. Now I saw this question. I was like, wow, but that's killed Bill. So it's not a father. It's it's, it's, you know, Uma Thurman. But then again, Tarantino pulls from stuff so maybe it's something else but yeah, Kill Bill. I'd go inside the first answer is Oh, like Kill Bill. Second sensor. Oh, yeah. Kill Bill through desert. Oh, Kill Bill. Fourth one's uh, oh, wait, yeah, the Kill Bill. And then they proceed from there to varying into because I think that is like that is very much like, the resonant contemporary thing. But the thread turns into a giant, it's one of those classic. Oh, that's a good suggestion that No, no, yes. No, it's not that either. That's, that's good. That's good. But no, that's not and it's like, Oh, my God, what is it gonna be and it just sort of proceeds there and eventually dirty old town is, you know, falling into say, I think what I'm learning is that this is a real common trope, and I don't know which one I remember correctly. So. But it's great. It's just a big pile of people saying, Oh, well, here's another thing that's basically that and you know, you've got such this weird, intermediate sort of tapestry of different takes on the same basic vibe. That's a lot of fun.

Jessamyn 1:19:05 Yes, and I Yeah, it's like tickled something in my head, but I wasn't. Sure. So. Yeah. Ah, I enjoyed this question about look, I'm over s'mores. And like, I don't get it right. That person clearly something wrong. But at any rate, I'm over s'mores. I'm looking for a camping desert, some kind of roasting or something over a fire. I'm from England. I don't really get it. Scores are weird. They are messy. I want something that it's not messy, easy to make around the campfire. Simple. And I think leash this by gender Pro and I think leash probably has an I don't know why this isn't the best answer. You know, you take a banana. You cut a slice in it, you fill it with chocolate chips, and then you wrap it up in foil and you stick it in the coals People did Mexican s'mores, which is a tortilla with peanut butter on it. I wouldn't call it that. apple cores with brown sugar frying saucer, blah, blah, blah. At any rate, it's a good dessert thread. And if like me you sometimes just like reading about tantalizing desserts?

Cortex 1:20:17 Yeah, you know, I'm not I'm not real big on smores. So I don't think they're bad. I just, it's they're kind of fussy. And the flavor profile isn't like the best fussy, so they're a little bit fuzzy on it's Martin melting Marshmallow, it's just like, that's asking for trouble and you're gonna do it in the fucking woods.

Jessamyn 1:20:36 I can add thing. I think add people can't cook a marshmallow.

Cortex 1:20:41 I can cook a marshmallow. I just don't want to see here's the thing. It's not like like, I'll cook a marshmallow No problem. I'll make a marshmallow marshmallow and it's great. It's kind of a self contained thing. Taking that marshmallow and then squeezing it between stuff and expecting that not to turn into a goddamn mess. I don't know who you're kidding. And I don't I just don't want a goddamn sticky mess. When I'm like

Jessamyn 1:21:00 it away from the shower.

Cortex 1:21:03 Yeah, like like, it's like it's like combining two things in a way. That's like, this is literally the worst idea. Tasty, but not Yeah. Anyway.

Jessamyn 1:21:13 Um, I just, yeah, we do not we do not share that. That feeling. I like them. Still, like, I liked them too much as an adult really? Like if I had a microwave I'd be having spores every day. I would find a way to make like s'mores for dinner somehow with like marshmallow and I don't know what the fuck sweet potatoes. I saw my landlady eating like sweet potatoes the other day while we were chit chatting. And I was like, you know, it'd be good on that fucking marshmallow.

Cortex 1:21:39 That's a whole thing, isn't it? Like, like, sweet potato and marshmallow

Jessamyn 1:21:44 thing so I don't even know where I get it from but it does not sound like a good marshmallow. Alright, so I enjoyed this question by but but Jayma Bahama basically saying look, sorry, in the paper, my great grandfather went from Iowa to Bellingham somehow, in 1899. How, okay, what would have what would that have been like? I'm trying to get my head around this experience. Like, how long would it have taken and Caden 2048? Is just into this stuff, or Oh, yes, was interested in answering it and basically talks about, you know, where the passenger station was, here's a history of railroading in South Dakota, here's what train he would have been on, here's where you would have stopped. This is probably when they would have gotten on. Like, it's just, it's just, it's just their thing. Like they're just into it. And it's just cool. Like, it's a it's a nice, it's a neat question. And then it's really cool that it found its answer.

Cortex 1:22:55 It's fantastic. And

Jessamyn 1:22:56 I learned a little bit about rail travel at the turn of last century. So it was neat.

Cortex 1:23:03 That was great.

Jessamyn 1:23:04 Yes. One more that I enjoyed, which was just a tell me what the truth is here. It's it's kind of like a huffy question, but actually, it becomes a really interesting thread. This is Ray bond,

Cortex 1:23:17 but NACA what BMX is a happy question. Okay. Chris has already.

Jessamyn 1:23:30 Oh, my God, Josh. So, basically, person staying in Chicago had a non functioning room key like you do. And basically, the people at the desk were like, or it was D magnetized. Maybe you put it next to a credit card. And Raven is like, I don't believe this. Do you believe this? And then people are like, people are like, Well, sure. Because blah, blah, blah, but then it comes out that it's not actually even a magnetic strip card. It's, um, it was the other kind the RF card and RF cards because of how RFID works, don't you can't like D magnetize. them, like they can fail for a whole bunch of reasons. But like the answer the desk person gave them was for a different kind of hotel card. So you know, it's possible that like, I think they were maybe Reagan was a little concerned that like, someone was fucking with him. You know, like, I'm sorry, let me Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that someone was like fucking with him. But I think realistically, it's just something broke. But then they gave them an answer. That was ridiculous. And then there's a whole bunch of people in the in the thread who have really good intel about how this actually works and how other people deal with it, or et cetera, et cetera.

Cortex 1:24:54 Interesting. Yeah, I want to read through the thread. Now. Some of the details I've definitely run into that like be magnetized by blah, blah, thing a couple of days before and I was like, you know, like, I don't know if that's what happened or if someone just didn't magnetize

Jessamyn 1:25:06 envelope and you have to take it out of the envelope or do you and I get confused between magnets and RF things. And then sometimes they actually turn my fucking card off. Because I always hang the Do Not Disturb thing on my door and leave it there for however long I met the hotel, and some places that agitates them. Yeah, they just want to make sure you're not, you know, lying in the pool of ice with your kidneys removed, so I just Yeah. And they were just like, now we're just not gonna let you back into your room until we have proof of life from you.

Cortex 1:25:44 Excuse me? Oh, that's interesting.

Jessamyn 1:25:46 Yeah, no, I thought I thought the third was really interesting. And then last one, kind of a goof thread, which is basically Ah, so fun. partner has partner partner changed her name. She just didn't like her name, and changed it. But then so far, has a mother who's kind of a pain in the ass, and is kind of being a nudge about like, maybe the name changes because of a prior marriage. Maybe you don't know, maybe, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so so font wants to like goof on this a little bit and think of a reason why their partner would have changed her name. That's not a real marriage answer but it's like funnier so that they can kind of like tease their mom about this a little bit. And while I think you know teasing your narcissist parent rarely goes as well as you think it's going to. There are a lot of fun answers in that thread. And I enjoyed reading along with them followed by

Cortex 1:26:55 Dr. de facto.

Jessamyn 1:27:12 All right, two more asked Metafilter. For me, one of which is Miko, basically trying to make the case against plastic bags, like she's read a whole bunch of studies that explain what are claimed to explain stuff about the lifecycle of paper versus plastic versus cloth, reusable bags, blah, blah, blah. And she kind of feels like there's probably something not quite right about them and wants to have specific ways to talk back to sort of plastic bags are no worse for the environment than cloth or paper. And so help me kind of poke holes in these arguments. And so it's just kind of a fun, like, let's learn how to make an argument, thread. And then to wrap it all up. This thread by crunchy potato about men poops. Basically, it mom groups, lots of complaints about how long their husbands take in the bathroom is the sexism or their biological differences, or what is going on. And of course, it's a wonderful, fun thread about people talking about the bathroom, which always makes me laugh.

Cortex 1:28:19 Get people talking about

Jessamyn 1:28:21 poop. Yeah, well, and I mean to me, and you know, I'm going to use my podcast bully pulpit. Like, you're a dad, you're like taking care of like a tiny baby. And like, you get five minutes to yourself, you might stretch that out to be 10 or 15. That said, my man always in the bathroom three times as long as me. I don't know why.

Cortex 1:28:44 See? Yeah, it's seems. Yeah, it's an interesting whole pile of things coming together.

Jessamyn 1:28:51 a steaming pile of things coming together.

Cortex 1:28:53 Yes. Okay. Well, maybe we should wrap this up. I'll do a quick music minute here.

Jessamyn 1:29:05 By the way, Yeah, always.

Cortex 1:29:07 And go go watch stuff, listen to stuff that read stuff and talk about stuff. I don't have any specific fancy stuff this month, because I haven't like, had really specific contemporary TV stuff this month either. But

Jessamyn 1:29:22 elementary started up again, which was exciting. And it was nice to get to go to fanfare and Jabra with people there about it.

Cortex 1:29:29 But I still never check that one out at all.

Jessamyn 1:29:32 Yeah, Watson is a woman. Yeah.

Cortex 1:29:36 And so looky loo, right. Yep. Very good. Nice. Music. There are several things that I liked that I will include it and snippets is Episode. One of which is OOM boo, just as a little 32nd recording of him playing some very nice guitar and then right in the middle of, there's a giant boom of lightning. And he got on record. So it's just like guitar, guitar, guitar. I brief pause guitar guitar it's fantastic. US Ionian, there's no lightning and the rest of these I'll just let everybody know ahead of time. But you have Sonian posted a tune called cider plans and climber banjo, and it sounds very nice as always, he does a great job with that stuff. There's a nice Cindy pop thing from EdgeStar called crushed there is a very cool sort of found audio type ambient thing from Richard Upton Pikmin are a laid over some speech on a track with some pieces of children in a concert slowed down and stretched out backwards and piled on the reverb. It reminds me a lot of you know, I mean, it's it's a very sort of ambient atmospheric thing reminds me a little of you are listening to LA. Oh, yeah, years ago. Pyramid termite has just done in our album and track two is dolphin or giraffe, which is sort of a weird riff on some Melania Trump social media stuff with references to dolphins and giraffes and whatnot

Jessamyn 1:31:20 missed it entirely

Cortex 1:31:22 weird. It's not worth going back for exactly, but I bet you know if you're if you got that guy sitting there, there's a weird callback to it and you know, it's sort of weird spacey jazzy stuff that he is wanting to do. And then the long term road which is a room recording of acapella performance of an arrangement of James Taylor song that I don't know but hey it's a nice acapella singing in a church and

Jessamyn 1:31:48 wait it's James Taylor song you don't know.

Cortex 1:31:51 I mean, I know like two or three James songs they were ubiquitous and also I don't like James Taylor. So I've never tried harder to expand that

Jessamyn 1:31:59 that like James Taylor.

Cortex 1:32:01 I I've always had a weird just abstract aesthetic dislike for his voice in the songwriting. And then eventually I found out that also he's like maybe a super creep so it's like well, that should definitely

Jessamyn 1:32:15 confusing him with Jackson Browne.

Cortex 1:32:17 No, I think they're both creeps. I see. Here's the thing. Maybe I'm wrong and I have mix something up in James Taylor's not a creep but I kind of have the strong feeling that I've seen three or four different let's put explicit references to him being kind of a creep

Jessamyn 1:32:30 troubled times and new beginnings he separated with Charlie Simon I don't know.

Cortex 1:32:38 I don't know. I don't know I can look into it later.

Jessamyn 1:32:40 I could just be totally in personal life.

Cortex 1:32:43 Whose voice I just don't like and songwriting I don't like Battle though. I want to stop talking about dreams.

Jessamyn 1:32:51 And your dislike for him. the Wikipedia article and possibly, yeah.

Cortex 1:32:59 A couple quick meta stock things. Yes, yes. We are. Revisiting the whole no friends linking thing to say you know what, maybe maybe friends linking Yes. Don't be like the basic concept remains the same. Don't be weird and shitty about what you're posting

Jessamyn 1:33:20 don't like things that are going to make money for someone is still like, Don't Don't

Cortex 1:33:25 be your friends fucking street team. Yeah, certainly don't be your quote unquote friends street team, like ship. Shoot that looks sketchy and spammy. We're still gonna, like, somewhere between frowned upon and banned people for but like, we were going to do that in the first place. You know, but if you know someone like you, you know, are kinda know someone who's making meat stuff on the internet, and you don't have anything to do with that and you want to share it. I think that should be an okay thing. I think that's something we should encourage and want people to say, Oh, hey, here's a cool fucking thing that I it would immediately occurred to me to share on Metafilter, but I wasn't sure about it, because but now we're saying well, that's not that's not the problem. The problem is not that you happen to have some social connection to this person, if you're doing this on the up and up otherwise, and it's cool stuff. Fucking fucking Hey, go for it.

Jessamyn 1:34:11 Let's do it. Good. And it's gone. So far.

Cortex 1:34:15 Yeah, it's been fine. So far, like I haven't had, I think we had one thing where someone's like, well, that's sort of a little too close and unexplained. And it's just kind of like not a very, like, well put together post. And so we deleted and dropped the line. It was fine. And other than that, yeah, we've had a I've seen a few posts that like, are people saying, Oh, hey, like, this is okay. Now. So hey, here's this neat thing. And you're like, Yeah, that was fine. So. So yeah, I think it's gonna be sort of a slow thing. It's one of the things where we can make a bit of talk posts about it and we can sidebar it and we can talk about it and it's going to get onto some people's radar, but probably we're gonna have to re discuss it a few times to sort of undo a decade plus of, you know, inculcated thinking about this subject. So I'm excited about that. I think it'll be a nice change. Also, Griffis Moon bliss flips out a baby.

Jessamyn 1:35:05 I love that little baby and I love seeing the pictures of the baby where the camera is really close to the baby and it makes the baby look like it's basically the size of Griffis.

Cortex 1:35:13 Yep. Yep. That's pretty excellent. So yeah, Congrats, guys. Yeah, great news. And I don't I think that's everything. I think. I think that's solid pocket, sir.

Jessamyn 1:35:22 Okay. Solid podcast. Good. All right. Nice talking to you as always,

Cortex 1:35:26 yeah. Talk to you next month. Okay. If I don't talk to you first. Wait. You've ruined everyone. Yeah, I'm sorry. I judge