Podcast 152 Transcript

A transcript for Episode 152: Get Jobbed At Steve MetaFilter Jobs (2019-05-09).

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Cortex 0:00 A couple of things you so hey Metafilter I suppose there's an intro, huh? Hey, welcome to the Metafilter podcast. This is episode 152. I am Josh cortex Mullard. And I'm Jessamyn and we did an intro. Okay. Yeah, let's mark that off the list. I'm just gonna mark everything off the checklist as we go on this one, efficiency expert time. Do you have like, you don't even do you? Not remotely. I have a vague sense of how we narrate through the sub sites that sort of Hue to

Jessamyn 0:55 well, and this is funny because I never do i You told me that we do. I mean, I remember we've maybe start with jobs, but like other than that, it's just all blah, blah, Ginger to me. Yeah. I just take your word

Cortex 1:09 for it. Like I never I never wrote it down or anything. I just like developed a habit because having a habit made it easier to like, decide what the next thing was. Yeah. And yeah, it works out. Okay. So hey, let's talk about jobs. Wait, no. One Oh, shit. Tell me about 152. I mean, there's nothing you can do. God, you can't do that. You can't do that. You either have some shit. Are you going

Jessamyn 1:31 on? I do have one shit. Okay. Basically, the trivia that I pulled out of the otherwise completely not distinguished Wikipedia page. Besides all the math, EB stuff, which isn't very interesting. Is ny 152. Is the AOL email account that Joe uses in the movie? You've got mail?

Cortex 1:50 Okay. You don't like that? Oh, no, it's I like, I mean, it's something that's why don't I don't mind talking about AOL or movie trivia, but like, it's just like, there better be something real interesting about the 152 in that email address for that to be worth mentioning. Because it's like, it's like saying, you know, the shoe is part of the license plate on someone's car. And this car was like, Yeah, does it matter? Well, no, but it was the license. You know, it's like, Okay, so I've never seen you got mail, perhaps. But I'm serious. Yes, I was. I was seriously capable of looking at. Oh, hey, let's do another may grind Tom Hanks romantic comedy, but this one's got a sketch of your story. In 1998, old enough. would have been like 1819. Yeah, okay. I mean, I'd seen Sleepless in Seattle, you know, as like, you know, my family watched it, because hey, it was like, you know, big movie. And that was like, hey, what if we did that again, sort of, but this time? Also, Tom Hanks is kind of like a terrible person if

Jessamyn 2:57 I kind of forgot this wasn't Sleepless in Seattle. Like I was like, Wait a second, isn't it I think there's a part on the Empire State Building. It's always nice to hear people talk about the internet in movies. I mean, I think I've mentioned when I was watching Mr. Robot like that the show's ultimately way too dark for me. But one of the things that kept me coming back was watching him use technology the way technology actually works. Yeah, you know, as the kids say, like I feel seen, I was like, that's an actual computer like and they're doing typing that is real computer stuff, you know,

Cortex 3:36 looking around network routing and Linux there instead of like, you know, running a hex dump past and saying it's hacking or whatever. God

Jessamyn 3:44 yes. That's exactly right. That's the fucking hex dump like you know, watching like The Matrix screen scroll and be like or blog on our blog or blog.

Cortex 3:59 Filler doing a montage of, of hex editor sifting and hackers. I mean, he could have defensively been trying to actually like, look through some assembly code in that, I guess. But anyway,

Jessamyn 4:10 all right, well, fuck 152 Then we're going to do two.

Cortex 4:13 That's, that's our new ritual. We'll talk about how there's nothing to say about each number and then we'll tell it to go

Jessamyn 4:18 that number. It's a bad number. Okay. Here's one interesting thing. That's the number of millimeter ticks there are on a six inch ruler.

Cortex 4:26 No, I mean, that's it's just like you just Oh, that's a long that's a long way of saying there are 15.2 centimeters in six inches like it's it's just a conversion. Josh was just looking for it, but it's not I see. That's that's the thing, like, that's how many ticks there are. Unless I don't know what if they did a slightly different layout of ticks worth. He did a slightly longer one Dev 153, which is slightly long, because rulers aren't exactly the length of whatever their length is. Usually there's a little bit overgeneralize I'm just saying what I mean. I'm just by

Jessamyn 5:00 definition,

Cortex 5:02 some some rulers are but a lot of rulers will have like the grid of whatever the measurement printed, and there'll be like a quarter inch on either side, you know, there's, there's definitely you can find meter long meter sticks and yard, long yard sticks. But you can also find plenty that are like a little bit, I'm just saying. So there's kind of arbitrary to say that's the number of ticks rather than the length of the, you know, converted unit. That's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. I've had a couple of cups of coffee this morning. So when I was talking earlier,

Jessamyn 5:28 one cup of coffee, we've probably been awake for the same amount of time, maybe?

Cortex 5:32 Yeah, maybe, maybe I got up and cut some stained glass. So

Jessamyn 5:36 nice. I've been enjoying that hobby of yours.

Cortex 5:40 I haven't, too, it's been it's been really, really engaging. My biggest concern is like, it really has, like, I have done very little painting in the last four months, because I've just been doing a ton of stained glass and a big concern. I mean, just because I've been really enjoying doing painting so much. And like they like there's this nervousness that somehow I'm gonna, like, get out of practice stuff that I just don't get back to it, which is absurd. Because

Jessamyn 6:02 yeah, this is the last the skill thing that we were talking about in pre roll, right?

Cortex 6:08 Exactly, exactly. Like I know, it's not gonna go in. It's nice, because like when I do sit down and start painting, and like, All right, I've got some ideas that are kicking around, and I can like dig in on it. But

Jessamyn 6:17 well, and I would assume, you know, the stained glass stuff that you do, we are going to talk about metal filter at some point, but not yet. Gives you a slightly different view into assemblage that would maybe inform your painting.

Cortex 6:33 Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's the new thing. Like, it's been really interesting, trying to figure out what stained glass, how to adapt some of the design inclinations that have been coming out and painting to a medium where not all of those design decisions, like translate naturally, like you can't, there's some restrictions or constraints. Yeah, and, and that's, that's led me sort of, do a little bit of lateral thinking, which is nice. And it's made the process of figuring out what to do in stained glass a little more interesting, because there is that sort of give and take, like, Well, what do we want to do? And if I can't really do that, how can I approach that? And yeah, I think that is going to come back around to painting with some, like, I've got a couple ideas I'm working on right now with stained glass that are like 3d solids, that I think are going to translate pretty well to probably some of the same ideas in painting that I wouldn't have gotten to because I wasn't doing the stained glass stuff. You know, I wouldn't have thought of that for painting, you know, four months ago. So all and I think I think it's a good thing is I think it's going to be, you know, a nice sort of synthesis of ideas. But, but still, there's that little worry that little way that oops, I stopped doing something for a couple months. It's dead to me now, because I certainly have a long history of that sort of interaction with creative projects.

Jessamyn 7:39 Right? Well, and that that is a sort of an interesting piece of insight about yourself, right? That like certain things stick certain things don't stick. You know, one of the things that is the most interesting to me about that is that you've got an internet job and all the things that stick are the non Internet things.

Cortex 7:55 Yeah. Yeah, I think I think that's part of it is like there's painting is like this process of this medium. And it's not like, it's not one specific goofy idea that I that exhausts, you know, there's a lot of room to move there. And and yeah, it is something that is away from the internet, like Metafilter is the one internet project that I'm not going to let go by the wayside. And everything else is kind of Yeah, don't do much blogging these days. Because that can just that can give that's not a problem.

Jessamyn 8:25 Right. Back to write blog is always gonna be there.

Cortex 8:29 Yep. Yeah. Should we talk about jobs?

Jessamyn 8:33 Yeah, jobs is really, I mean, I don't mean to disparage past jobs. But super interesting. Like

Cortex 8:43 it's been, it's been popping, there's a bunch of listings, and it's a bunch of different stuff. And excuse me, it's a good thing. I am taking this roundup of employment opportunities.

Jessamyn 8:54 Yeah. So let me my one problem with using Chrome is I have a hard time finding the stuff. But like there's a couple people who are looking for things for studies right. So chesty a Arthur, which always makes me laugh at username, why is looking for people to talk to them about how they manage their money, right? So they are interested in stuff, and there's a form you can fill out and they will pay you money, if it turns out that you're the right kind of person they're looking for. So if you don't mind talking about money, or you're interested, and especially if you're an underrepresented group, or someone who is a small business owner or something, I'll let them know because they pay money and you can talk about money and you know, that's a great little cyclical thing. And then the other thing, and this one, I saw this, I think also in AskMe Metafilter, is asked to Tuberosa to Barrows is basically a linguistics person looking for someone from southern English than to come to France for five days. Speakers are British English under 50. It pays a decent mount of money, not a ton, but they'll put you up and in finance, and then you got to sit in front of a computer a couple hours and read some words and we're an EEG hat, also an MRI, which may be a deal breaker for some people, but other people love MRIs.

Cortex 10:25 I still never had one and I, I remain curious as to whether I'd be like, Yeah, this is some sweet industrial music or like, no, actually, this is really kind of shooting claustrophobic.

Jessamyn 10:33 Yeah, you know, I have had both feelings, right? I've had a couple MRIs. And I kind of depends on how I'm feeling I you know, they put your head in a cage. And that's kind of sketchy. I think the only time I really freaked out was when they were like, Alright, now we're going to inject you with whatever the thing is that they inject you with the, you know, whatever it is, yes. And I was like, I was not expecting that.

Cortex 10:57 Let's say Colloidal Silver. Let's.

Jessamyn 11:00 They hadn't told me ahead of time. That's what they were doing. And they're probably supposed to I was already nerve racking for other reasons. And then I'm like, lying with my head, the tube, I can't see anything. And they're like, we're gonna stick a needle into us someplace. That was like, I don't know about this. Good about that. And then you wind up having these weird burning feelings. Not weird, bad. But just like in like random places. Yeah, all of a sudden, and you're like, I didn't know my body could do that. That's interesting.

Cortex 11:28 Sudden, unfamiliar nerve responses. Yeah, but in

Jessamyn 11:31 general, I'm one of those people who's like MRI is fine with me. But I could totally understand why people hate them. Why do I

Cortex 11:37 have I got a I got the just blood drawn for new yearly physical the other day, the lab person doing it was just so much in like a weird sort of rehearsed, like spiel of things to say that, like, I feel like she was not aware I was actually in the room. Just sort of like going, okay, and just like really, more quietly than I could reasonably hear. It was just constantly saying, Okay, well, this is gonna be real, real smooth and easy, real simple. Just Just, just one more minute. Now, just hold on to that. Just know, there's gonna be real just just smooth as butter. Just don't like, like, you could almost be like self talk, but it really didn't sound like that either. It was just the weirdest fucking thing in the world. Sorry, injections made me think of that, because it's like, I'm not really uncomfortable getting my blood drawn. But I'm kind of uncomfortable with this whole scene where suddenly and somehow, it sounds

Jessamyn 12:24 like if you've heard the like, sort of ambient music that has I believe it's Joni Mitchell talking about, like growing up in her childhood and a little puffy clouds and the rings a bell? Yeah, it's just an ambient piece that somebody's kind of threaded in a bunch of I think it's Joni Mitchell talking about these little puffy clouds. And there's music behind it. But that sounds like the kind of narration you would hear over some kind of ambient.

Cortex 12:51 Yeah, yeah. No, that would that would work really well. Just like turned on. Like, I should turn on some anime music and be like you are listening to La except for blood. Draw vision? Yes. You're listening to the lab technician. There's also this job from Zen Master, this was someone to help with the development of 3d coordinate transformation map. Yeah.

Jessamyn 13:10 I'm sorry, Josh. Thanks, Josh.

Cortex 13:13 If you if you know how to do baseline coordination, transformation equations, and they're inverses, including projection of rotating vectors in space and time, and you can add polynomial Error Corrections, and they're inverses. And you want to work from home. This job is for you. It's not for me, but maybe it's for you. I want someone to be like, oh, yeah, no, yeah. So someone do that. Right.

Jessamyn 13:32 That's my jam. Yeah, I even like math. Any of that.

Cortex 13:38 I understand several. But I don't know. I understand what they're doing. But that's, that's probably why as I mentioned this,

Jessamyn 13:47 you don't have to so good. Also, hey, people in Berkeley, California. I don't know if this has already passed. Go pick up a gift certificate for somebody in Georgia for southern sky, which is a very another very nice username. They will cover the cost of the gift certificate and the cost of your transportation and an additional small payment. This is a couple weeks old at this point. So maybe has already been done. But I can kind of see where that's going right I have done this occasionally. Like using the robot arms of metal filter to get a gift for a person who is not Yeah. You know, in my in my local, it's always kind of a nice way to do things.

Cortex 14:35 Yeah, erase some of those weird distance barriers that will go

Jessamyn 14:40 well and then you don't wind up having to give somebody a Starbucks gift card which while fine is not as cool as your local coffee shop gift shop.

Cortex 14:47 Yeah, exactly. Also, argonauta is looking to hire someone to do few simple cartoons for them. First out cartoons so if you want to get your your art on Check that out.

Jessamyn 15:04 Seems like the Whelk except that I suspect the wealth is highly paid. The wealth actually does do cartoons for the New Yorker. Yeah. Yeah. But that's cool.

Cortex 15:15 Yeah. And there's several other jobs were it's been a bumper crop so go get employed. Yeah. That's still trying to find the right catchphrases. Go get employed medical third jobs

Jessamyn 15:30 get your job. Go get that job.

Cortex 15:32 Get a job on get your job get that's okay. Good job. Be a Steve Jobs. Medical Steve Jobs you get your turtleneck on to find Metafilter Steve Jobs Oh and one more thing a joint venture between Colombo and medical Steve Jobs keynote speaker and be like like oh and one more thing and then like you know Columbus Oh, well one more thing. Colombo should like do a fucking it's looped back around. I think it's definitely time to make those Colombo references.

Jessamyn 16:17 Stop trying to make Colombo happen.

Cortex 16:20 Someone start trying to make Colombo doing an Apple Keynote happen. Thank you. That's my request to universal just putting it out there?

Sure, should we talk about projects?

Jessamyn 16:51 We should and I do have a very specific thing of projects to talk about. Oh, the little red squirrel that I've been observing in the tree out the window has was sitting in one place and just made a move. It's very exciting. Most red squirrel. Yeah, so um, as you know, projects, Pirate bartenders, zombie monkey who is somebody I also follow on Instagram and I enjoy a great deal has been doing the songs using the Belter language and you try to explain this to me several months ago, and I was like, great, kinda get it kind of don't get it but whatever. But now, Josh, I am reading the books.

Cortex 17:36 All right. Yes, yes. I've noticed that you were reading the book. So yeah,

Jessamyn 17:39 I am reading the books like like there are life preserver and I am in the ocean, like, I am reading the books. I am loving the books, I would really like to be more in absorbed in the book culture than I am. And so I've circled back around to pirate bartenders, zombie monkeys project. There's one in this in this Oh, you've already pasted it. So I don't have to paste it. But basically, you've all probably know, because we've talked about it before that he does. Songs in the Belter language, which is this kind of patois spoken by the you know, almost horse. Yeah. But it's actually sort of created by a linguist and all of this stuff you told me. It's all coming together now. And I was like, Sure, whatever. Language well, and I was excited about it, except in a way that it doesn't touch me. You know what I mean? But that

Cortex 18:36 sounds great and abstract, but I have no context for it.

Jessamyn 18:40 Cool thing someone else did about something else. But now I'm reading all the books. And so I'm excited about this project, the past projects and the fact that this is pirate bartenders on people and thing, because it's good to have a thing I just made Jim, give me his mom's Amazon Prime login so that I can watch the show on Amazon Prime. Like I'm all I'm all in Have you have you seen the show and read the books?

Cortex 19:08 I've seen all the show that's out so far. Read the first book. Angela has been reading through like I don't know she's maybe through the third book. I think at this point. I want to catch up I really enjoyed reading the first book you know, did it after having seen all of the show that was made and I think the books a little bit stronger and the way the books tend to be for their ability to

Jessamyn 19:29 get like who they cast for the shows in anticipation of watching it and some of the characters I'm like, oh, that isn't really how I envisioned that but okay,

Cortex 19:39 anime that's Yeah, yeah, I'm

Jessamyn 19:42 looking forward to getting started. I'm curious how the show in the movie, how the show and the books overlap because I like I'm on Book Seven and I'm a little bit afraid I don't want to start watching too much show in case you know, it's like Game of Thrones where like different things happen in different orders and

Cortex 19:58 the main the main impression I got from reading the first book after watching the show is that like the show condenses a lot of plots in a way that the books did not like the book really, it's kind of just Holden and his crew and their adventures with the terrible nonsense they get up to. That's really it and the show like, Christians in there, immediately the UN stuff is in there immediately. Oh, okay. So like, they just sort of, I think they took the first two or three books together. Ya know, she's, she's pretty great.

Jessamyn 20:31 She's probably, you know, my favorite of all the non central characters in that in that thing.

Cortex 20:38 And I'm really, I'm really interested to get to her stuff in the book, because she feels like a character who has a lot of stuff going on that like they do their best in the show to sort of build that in. But it's not necessarily like politicking and intrigue and sort of managing international relations, it's harder to make that sexy on screen. And I feel like being able to, like, deal with that on the page will be probably a lot more interesting to

Jessamyn 20:59 when she's in and out. Right. Like, you know, the the book that I'm reading is like, 20 years later, and so everybody's a little older. And she is a wizard and crone by that point, kind of. And so it's, it's interesting how they take on it. Although I have to say reading the two decades later, I'm like, well, now everyone's my age. Like, everybody's back hurts, like, all the characters are like feeling all their aches and pains. Like you feel like you're gonna get to a fight that they get in where they actually get their ass handed to them. I mean, not that they don't sometimes, but that, like, they're gonna get in a fight thinking they're younger and then like, the younger people are just going to completely kick wail on them and you're gonna, it'll be like, oh, you know, like, you just Yeah, it's a little it's a little funny headed, right? This project was great.

Cortex 21:48 Fun one queen sissy stage managed the hippo at Coachella, which apparently was a 80 foot tall rocket ship, manned by hippos installation. At the festival

Jessamyn 22:01 staffed by hippos, staffed by hippos, yes.

Cortex 22:03 Sorry. Well, it says my bed. Oh, Jesus Christ podcast is over.

Jessamyn 22:10 Sorry, I have to burn my house to the ground. Well, I mean, it's ant season and I grew up Yeah, but every now and again, one of them crawls on your arm and you're like,

Cortex 22:20 yeah,

Jessamyn 22:21 they hit the ant traps in the Philadelphia airport too. That was fun.

Cortex 22:25 I've gotten better about not freaking out about ants, but I still resent them. I resent their presence.

Jessamyn 22:30 I do resent them also. So I'm sorry. Please go on. Anyway, the

Cortex 22:33 hazardous interstellar professional operations thing it's this great big rocket ship art project thing they worked on and it's pretty rad and there's a bunch of good pictures so you know go look at that.

Jessamyn 22:48 Yeah, wow, that's really cool. Yeah,

Cortex 22:51 seems like it would be a very very fun gig to have

Jessamyn 22:57 like been around for a really long time but isn't kind of one of those like always has a thing and projects people so

Cortex 23:03 just for like out of the blue which is pretty great. On like the exact opposite end of feel of a project. Shepard wrote up a series of rebuttals about local tax rates in Canada which was pretty cool it looks like it got a medical reposado didn't actually see the post but yeah, just

Jessamyn 23:23 just great like that right like I love watching him and his wife partner just be really into local civics you know, because they live kind of over the border for me they're only a couple hours away and trying to figure out how to like you know, wrestle with people and make things work but also deal with like kind of you know, good but not well paying jobs and wrestle wrestle wrestle wrestle so yeah, he's a very good writer.

Cortex 23:51 Did we talk about doubles Star Trek episode Dave Eggers book or mountain goat song project on the last I feel like

Jessamyn 23:58 every month

Cortex 23:58 well duffel makes good stuff.

Jessamyn 24:00 I get no argument from me.

Cortex 24:01 I'll just link it. I'll link it just in case we didn't. Yeah. And it's just it's what it sounds like. So speaking actually of of duffel and project this is sort of meta talk, I guess. But we're sort of rejuvenating and prodding along the telephone Pictionary thing.

Jessamyn 24:17 Yeah. Which is what you send a thing in the mail as opposed to Yeah,

Cortex 24:21 you send it you send a book someone starts to print out like this little stapled booklet and send it around through a chain of nine people taking turns like writing the last drawing that you see or drawing the last sentence you see that's eat poop you cat Exquisite Corpse telephone Pictionary, that's flavor of game where you're working off limited information. And so it like gets more and more away from where it started as people are working off of references to references to references. Yeah. And duffel organized kicking off a whole bunch of those and this is basically finally come in. Well, yes, some of them are starting to come in and some of them are like getting stalled out. And so I think this is This is basically the maiden voyage of it, at least this this scope. So it's kind of like figuring out all the things you always end up figuring out when you try and do a big thing with a bunch of people and got, you know, fragile linkages. So we're rebooting some of those and picking up some of them where they left off, just to just to get various changes finished off, but some of them have come in and some of them are, I think, pretty far along. So

Jessamyn 25:23 I just lost you for like, 20 seconds. Oh, no. Well,

Cortex 25:27 I was. Am I here now? Yeah, I mean, well, then then everything's good. I didn't say anything interesting that you needed to respond to. So there we go. Keep up the good work done. Okay. This is the Hey, someone, sermon posted something on projects.

Jessamyn 25:47 Funny, except that pronounce my name wrong. My whole life.

Cortex 25:53 Tell, tell tell us about your

Jessamyn 25:56 comments in a box in the mail from somebody I've known since I was 11. And she lives in Berkeley, California, and has a lemon tree. And we're not like in great touch. But like, you know, I see her on holidays, if we're both, you know, her parents lived where my parents used to live. And so I see her sometimes. And we've just been like, old, for instance, forever. And so she sent me kind of a cryptic message asking how often I went to the post office, which I thought was kind of a weird question, but I was like, I don't know. And then she's like, well, make sure you go there on Wednesday. I was like, great, whatever. And I expected maybe she was sending me like, I don't know, a card like a candy bar. But instead, there was this huge box. And inside it were 15 lemons. And I'm like, there was my backpack. I've walked there. And I'm like, Well, I guess I have a backpack full of lemons now. And that started this sort of, what do you do with 15 lemons, if you're just one little person, you know, and you don't like make sweets all the time, and you don't really particularly care for pickled lemons as a food thing. And so I just made a little essay about what I did do with those 15 lemons on medium, which I kind of added to as I went, which was fun, and it's got little pictures. And you know, no spoilers, but I did sort of make some interesting lemon characters. And then this whole thing turned into more of a thing because I remembered this song from when I lived in Seattle, which has a sort of a central conceit. A candy that tastes like lemons, like I don't know that many songs with the word lemon in it that I enjoy. But there was like, you know, even at the candy that tasted like lemons, Baba. And then I was like, I don't know what that song is anymore. I don't know who sang it. I did a thing on AskMe edit filter. No one knows what the hell it is. I'm adding the stumped tag as I talk to you. And yeah, so but it was super fun. And I finally used up all the lemons it took like a frickin month. And the last part of it was putting some in my hair to see if it gets all lightened up. So that may be really weird and interesting. Because like, I don't know if any if your generation of kids did this, but like my generation, it was like definitely a thing where you'd put like stuff in your hair like either lemon juice or like the stuff called Sun in which would like lighten your hair up when you went in the sun but like fast.

Cortex 28:34 I mean, like, I can't speak for my generation because I never do anything to my hair one has a good excuse to just like get bad haircuts, you know, people I knew people but I didn't really discuss their techniques. I knew people who did stuff with their hair, but I just saw the end product.

Jessamyn 28:49 Yeah. Like an 80s thing, or if it was just the thing kids do but at any rate, I haven't done it since I was in high school but I've tried it so we'll see how it goes. But this is really maybe can be a problem we'll just be the same and

Cortex 29:06 if we need if we need to pause I mean I murder every advocates in my space. I don't murder them. See I just like I respect your autonomy but not in this house. You come you get on my desk. That's the that's the last desk you're gonna get on.

Jessamyn 29:21 Yeah, I mean, I have some boric acid and I'll kind of roll out an actual death plan later but for now it's just I'm trying to sit in the bed, the day bed not the night bed and just have conversation interrupted

Cortex 29:39 well as any other specific roles you want to mention.

Jessamyn 29:43 No, just you know projects are good. They're always interesting, please, you know, whatever your thing is. Oh, yeah, I do have a thing dimension that didn't make it to projects but should be in project soon. This month, I actually saw two movies which is two more movies that I see in an average month. And one of them was the public, which is Emilio esta vez. His movie about public library Very good. Um, but another one is called change the subject. And it is actually about the students at Dartmouth College who activist sort of undocumented students who learned that if they wanted to look up stuff in the library catalog about undocumented people, they had to use the subject heading illegal alien, which is, of course, terrible and wrong. And so they were like, well, how do we go about changing that, and so it follows the students as they, you know, figure out how they, how you change the subject heading in the Library of Congress. And it was super interesting, and it is spy. I got to look up soybean Metafilter users soybean, who has not posted it to projects yet, but I went to see the movie he had painted me and been like, hey, we, you know, it's playing near you, whatever. And it's great. It's a great movie. And he's like, also, I've been a metal filter for, you know, since forever, and, you know, so I was like, go post this on projects. It's absolutely, but it's not there yet. So librarians, you know, just wait. It's gonna be very exciting.

Cortex 31:21 And yes, projects, go go to projects, check out stuff on projects, put stuff on projects, projects. It's like Steve Jobs, stopping prom projects. It's it's it's the turtleneck around your creative impulses. Projects. It's it's it's the Colombo's that we the real projects is the Colombo's we made along the

Jessamyn 31:44 way. Did you know that Peter Falk has one? I?

Cortex 31:47 I think I did know that. All right.

Jessamyn 31:50 I think that's one of those classic trivia things, right? Like Sammy Davis, Jr. Sandy Duncan. Peter Falk? What do they have in common? One eyeball one eye, one eye.

Cortex 32:00 And command performances as Peter Pan?

Jessamyn 32:03 Right. I really liked Sammy Davis Jr. In that role?

Cortex 32:07 Yeah, he was. He was amazing. Because the revelation.

Jessamyn 32:10 We talked about Metafilter. Is that what we do?

Cortex 32:13 Let me let me rephrase. We're going to talk about meta filter. Thanks. But turtleneck. Steve Jobs. He did wear it. It was a black turtleneck. Right. That was his thing. I'm not thinking of the wrong article of clothing.

Jessamyn 32:28 Yes, I'm sorry. Okay. Laboring this,

Cortex 32:30 I just I just realized I've said turtleneck and Steve Jobs like a dozen times this episode is a joke. And we want to make sure that the material is even.

Jessamyn 32:37 Not only not only was it his thing, but like that cycle from Toronto. So Elizabeth, whatever her name was, oh, yeah, wore a black turtleneck to try and like achieve the authenticity, and like, you know, visionary thing of Steve Jobs, while at the same time being completely factually bankrupt in the stuff that she was trying to do. That is the thing I learned.

Cortex 33:03 Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about Metafilter. All right. So

Jessamyn 33:06 in pandering to Jessamyn posts, series, this post by ragtag which is basically an in praise of Public Library's article for The New York Review of Books. It's pretty much all I have to say, except that Sue Halpern is from Vermont. And it's just another one of those library threads of which there's probably one at least per month, and I enjoyed it. So the article is good, because he talks about how she talks about how important libraries are. But then it's got like, Metafilter people talking about their libraries. And, and that is nice.

Cortex 33:46 Nice. That's excellent. Yes. I really enjoyed this write up that Eric and posted of someone who sat down and went through 460 packs of Skittles, and sorted them each out individually by color, and found exactly two packets in that set that were identical. And if you're into the idea of statistical analysis of the distribution of colors of skittles in Skittles packs, this is for you. And if you're not, I guess, you know, keep walking, but

Jessamyn 34:22 well, because they, you know, made a prediction first, like any good science, and then figured it out and bought a lot of Skittles. And of course, it's some kind of viral marketing for Skittles, right? Because like, Skittles, smartlight that, baby it enjoy it. I have a friend and internet friend, and pretty much the only thing he posts to Instagram is the distribution of colors in his bag of m&ms.

Cortex 34:52 Okay, like it's literally just every time

Jessamyn 34:55 his sorted m&ms, s o r t, E, D, not s or D it by color. And then you know, people get in the comments and they're like, Ooh, that's a lot of blue or whatever. Like, it's it's surprising and I don't know much about him. So I don't really know if this is kind of like a compulsion or just something he thinks is fun or whatever. But it is. It is fun and interesting. And this post itself looks off on an interesting,

Cortex 35:25 the nice big knowledge dropping comment from bar chat in there, too.

Jessamyn 35:28 Oh, yeah. That was very good. Like, yes,

Cortex 35:31 this is this is why I'm here.

Jessamyn 35:33 In other ways, when was our last podcast?

Cortex 35:38 Right about the beginning of April? I don't know like the second or the third.

Jessamyn 35:42 Well, like did I mention mandolin? Like this is like you asking if you mentioned duffel like that. I mentioned mandolin kids.

Cortex 35:49 Just go for it. Just go for it. We can double up now. All right.

Jessamyn 35:52 So this is a random walk through the Library of Congress, which is actually a project now I kind of feel like you all you

Cortex 36:01 know, this is so what happened is this came up. Okay, here's what's here's what happened last podcast previously on the medical care podcast. Hey, this is a nice, what the fuck is up with the post for this project that doesn't go to this project. Let's look into it. Anyway, that was that was last episode. And it turns out that's what happened is the person who made the original post, based on this project post by mandolin conspiracy, then got distracted or something ended up making a different post about a vaguely related subject. But they had started it as a post this to MEPhI button on the project page. And so that metadata was carried through even though the ensuing post did not have metal and conspiracies project in it and so got it it now or not, I'm saying it backwards medicine days projects, that Madeline conspiracy. Yeah. Now now, now you have fucked up the timeline. Anyway, man and conspiracy accidentally didn't post meta Sunday's projects previously, and so has come back around, and then did actually post that actual project. And then we fix it behind the scenes and everything's good. Now. Everybody did a real good job.

Jessamyn 37:17 And it turned out to be this super fun tool, which I think I was kind of vaguely poking at, while we were talking on the podcast last time. But one of the things that I noticed when I was just clicking through literally random things at the Library of Congress was that a lot of them had like this weird red sticker on the cover. And I couldn't figure out why. And this happened after the podcast, for sure. But I was like, you know, clicking like you do. Like a lot of those books have this red sticker on the cover what's going on? I asked my friend at the Library of Congress, he didn't know. And then it turned out later, somebody who knew somebody asked the people in the Library of Congress archives and it turns out, there was a bunch of books at the library of congress that at one time, they during World War Two, they marked a whole bunch of the books that they had as books that would be evacuated, if they had to basically take the books and run during World War Two. And so you can see them sometimes in the online version of the books. There's these stickers, but there's no indication of what the stickers are. But it turns out, that's what these stickers are so interesting. I learned a thing. I'm glad we got that all worked out. And it's another fun library posts. So you

Cortex 38:35 know, yeah, let's read.

There was a post that was weirdly familiar me and someone did some digging in the comments to sort of maybe figure out why but vibratory manner of working made a post about implementing Conway's Game of Life in APL. And this is like if you want some primo, what the fuck in my life. This is a good one to watch. APL is a programming language. It's a weird programming language. It's a programming language I have never learned and probably will never learn which is funny because I like to play programming video games and I can't think of anything more of a weird arbitrary Why would you do that programming game challenge than to learn APL for some reason. It's it's a very useful for very specific things mathematically oriented programming language that you can write extremely dense code for, if what you're trying to do is mathematical operations. And so this is a video of a man just like talking through the process of slowly building up Conway's Game of Life which is you know, with the like, I probably don't need To explain Conway's Game of Life to the dozen time on the podcast, but it's the one with like the little white and black squares and they turn on and off depending on how many or near their each cell in it grows and mutates and whatnot. So the implementation of this in APL, you would think, like an implementation of this game would involve, you know, several pages of code, probably not super complicated concepts. But like you got to so like the APL implementation into being like, literally one line of dense symbols that you like, what the fuck am I looking at? Which is really fantastic. And it's, it's, it's, I think, if you have no idea what's going on, it's kind of fun to sit through. And just feel it not making me watch it. Like I understand the idea. And I can't follow this thing. Like one fucking bit. I don't know the math that well. And it's all dealing with that math symbolically and like real time, but it's also just like a guy with a sort of soft older voice talking through this with a English accent. It reminds me of a guy with Yeah, and it's like the post from a, I don't know, the podcast or two ago, the old guy and his dog, Molly. And he's like just unearthing vegetables and pulling them out of the pot and like talking about them and feeding a carrot tamale. It's that except for for dense, symbolic mathematical manipulation. So yeah, it's maybe an ASMR thing. Yeah, someone mentioned that is familiar to me. Sam W pulled up a previous medical discussion from several years ago where it had also come up in another post about Conway's Life. So

Jessamyn 41:36 neat. In BP, BP, BP breaking news. Firefighters

Cortex 41:44 did their breaking news.

Jessamyn 41:47 Oh, shit.

Cortex 41:51 Okay, I'll take credit for it. I see what I am doing there. Sorry. Please continue. Just Beep Beep, beep, beep, beep beep.

Jessamyn 42:04 I was at an airport, trying to do some shit on my way home. And all of a sudden, the browser on my internet just slid sideways. Right? And like, I've been having trouble with my Kindle. And I think it's probably because my Kindle is like just really old. But like I opened it up. And it's suddenly at the end of the book that I was in the middle of and I had to figure out where in the middle of the book I was. Because I didn't have a bookmark. I just rely on technology to tell me what the last page was that I read. Sure. And so then suddenly, my browser everything looked weird and fucked up. And I couldn't really figure it out. And Jim had kind of mentioned there was a thing, but I was like, Yeah, whatever. I'll think about it when I get home. And then suddenly, I had to think about it. And Mozilla basically rolled out a thing. And it broke. Everyone's add ons, suddenly, no one had any add ons to their browser anymore. browser extensions. And for some people, that's just a minor inconvenience, like ad you see ads. But for some people, it's a serious thing. Like, oh, the security shit they're running doesn't work or the accessibility shit, they're running doesn't work. And Firefox was Mozilla was like, maybe a little slow to deal with this. I mean, Josh, I thought of you, and how Matt and PB used to roll out major changes on Friday afternoon. And then PB would go on vacation. And it took me a long time to realize kind of why that happened. Like people tried to clear their desk before the weekend, Matt had something in for PB that we never understood. And basically, was seriously right. I used to think PB did that on purpose. And then I realized he was just a cog in the machine the same as we all were. And but so they rolled this out Friday afternoon, and then all of a sudden, it turns out, it was a big problem. But then people who have these like nine to five day jobs have to kind of deal with this plus, it's an open source project. Plus, how do you fix it? And so it was really interesting watching, and I didn't watch it, but many of the people in this thread did, like watching this unfold in real time, right? Because there's everybody's in the forums, because there's forums being like, my shit is broken. Everybody's trying to roll out these things that they think will work. They're like, why isn't there a patch people are super pissed and angry. It's an open source thing to their credit, Mozilla did find a way to roll out a fairly quick fix to this, but it involved allowing you to let Mozilla run. I don't even know what it's called. Because I'm in Chrome, because I have to prove whatever this software is, but you had to let them run I think surveys or whatever, like you had to let them into your shit in order for them to apply this patch. And a lot of people weren't comfortable with that. At any rate, I'm very happy that I got to read metal filter talking about This because, you know, there was just basically a bunch of moderators over at Mozilla that were just closing forum posts as quickly as they got open. With like, shut up, we're almost ready to let you know how to fix it, but without fixing it. And it's hard, right? Like we've been there. I've been there, you've definitely been there, trying to figure out how to best deal with this problem, while at the same time on the back end, you're trying to fix this problem. You know, long story short, kind of it worked out mostly like all my shits back together. Little Don made this post incidentally, and kind of yesterday morning. But tricky. interesting to watch it happen as somebody who's had to kind of, you know, manage community response type of thing. And yeah, I think it's mostly now fixed. So it's mostly now fixed.

Cortex 45:48 Yeah. I liked this. Suppose that a god with hooves of God with horns made love that. I love the usernames. I like it every time there's a username that like that makes me smile that I don't like specifically have already like registered away. So good work of God with those guys with horns. They posted a link to a snippet of an episode of the Tom and Jerry Cartoon interpolated to 60 frames per second is basically a boy, this is a weird fucking thing to look at. And what I what I'm Alright, so here's the thing. Part of what I like about this thread is examples.

Jessamyn 46:28 That stuck to me, like, oh, it's like, but every time they use the letter B, it goes twice as fast.

Cortex 46:34 Yeah, no, this is this is not that weird. This is this is a much more straightforward technical kind of weird, thanks.

Jessamyn 46:39 I hate it. Please explain this to me. Well, I checked my email.

Cortex 46:46 Okay, so. So here's the thing, animation and film and TV. They're all done at specific frame rates, you know, and it depends on the medium, basically, you know, classically, film is done at 24 frames per second. So there's like, literally 24 exposed frame. film projector. Yeah, yes. So animation in particular, tends to be relatively low framerate, because drawing every fucking frame takes a while. And so if you get down towards that to drive every frame, yeah. And so if you can stick it down to like, 16, or 12 frames per second,

Jessamyn 47:19 in a day of sort of digital film production?

Cortex 47:23 I don't know, like, which is which part relevant?

Jessamyn 47:26 Well, I mean, just this the concept of frames per second, have any? I mean, there's no frames anymore, right? So there's just not, it's an ocean,

Cortex 47:38 there's a number of images that you're gonna, you know, generate over a span of time, you know, it still matters for, like, if you're doing like CGI, then I suppose it gets arbitrary, you can like, you figure out how the movement through space and time is going to work. And then you could like, generate as many frames per second as you want out of that, although I think once you get into it, there's probably some decision making to do there beyond just arbitrarily picking a number. But for like, you know, for film and TV, you still have to, you're still shooting on a camera, and the cameras still capturing it, whatever frame rate it's capable of. So you still have to think about this stuff there. And that's part of the thread. So the pitch for the individual thing the Tom injuria cartoon is animation is often relatively low frame rate. And animation techniques, especially classical hand drawn animation techniques, partly dealt with the fact that you had this low frame rate by adapting the way they did moment to moment, you know, things within a sequence, you'd have like all kinds of animation tricks like like smear frames, and distort. So instead of instead of having smooth animation, you would sort of like, you'd fake it, compensate for it. Yeah, you'd fake it and do sort of like gestural interpretive stuff, which what this is doing instead

Jessamyn 48:50 super interesting, right? Yeah, trick.

Cortex 48:53 Yeah, it's a whole, it's a whole display as a whole, like vocabulary of animation motion tricks, for the way people would distort drawing to sort of sell motion in low framerate animation. So if you say okay, but we've got the technology that just like take two frames and say, Okay, give me the missing couple of frames between these two so that we can have 60 frames per second. So everything's real smooth. You can get a horrible nightmare thing, like, just

Jessamyn 49:18 like, I looked at it, and I don't It's not horrible nightmare to me. I'm not sure what the horrible nightmare aspect is.

Cortex 49:27 So that's the other interesting thing about it is like, on the one hand, like, this is something well, it's not I don't think it's even slow eyes or anything. I think it is just a matter of acculturation. And to some extent, just like different people are sensitive to different little bits of optical phenomena.

Jessamyn 49:43 This is something that I go watch a TV that's like in a bar or something every now and again, he'll be like the aspect ratios off I can't stay on the other side of the table. Yes, we're kind of like I don't know. Isn't Tiger Woods short and stumpy? I have no idea like, I don't worry For me with like little noise things, I can totally, you know, like, Oh, somebody's got a, you know, a drippy faucet like three doors down kind of or you don't hear that smoke detector from the neighbor's house.

Cortex 50:13 Yeah, exactly. And I think I think different people just for whatever GUI brain reasons, you know, everybody's brain is a little bit different. And everybody's things they've been trained to pay attention to are a little different. And so yeah, people will attenuate some stuff and really notice other stuff. I mentioned the aspect ratio thing in a comment in the thread, because that's like the closest analogue I could think of. But yeah, so like, there's nothing inherently wrong with this clip. But at the same time, if you're looking for what's different about it, and you see it, it's really fucking weird, because like, there's this strange smoothness that's not there in that classic animation that has somehow been introduced by this interpolation. That's doing its best to try and smooth things out. But it wasn't meant to be smooth in the first place. And so it's jarring aesthetically. So if you notice it,

Jessamyn 50:56 I mean, I guess that's true. If I was like, going to use like a word to describe what that little Tom and Jerry clip looks to me. It looks goofy. Yeah, like every people robbery and yeah, wrong.

Cortex 51:09 Yeah. And people like people have made the comparison to flash animation a couple times, which I think is right on, because that's what flash animation does. You set up individual animation keyframes, and then it animates as smoothly as your framerate allows the, the in between frames, it does as smooth tweening, that this kind of looks like because that's literally what vector based animation tools often would do.

Jessamyn 51:30 Right? Right. Like it's the difference between space invaders and asteroid. Yeah.

Cortex 51:34 So the threads interesting because you have people who were variously seeing it and not seeing it. And people bring up other examples of stuff that's been like upscaled to 60 frames per second from, like, you know, television, film stock and video film stock. And so it's a it's a fun read, it's a fun read, because a bunch of people are like, sort of disagreeing about even what they particularly notice. But also people dig in on some of like, what's going on with various things and why changing the sort of context and sort of up sampling and UP, UP interpolating, you know, can change the way something feels even though in theory, it's just the same product at a higher resolution or whatever. Right, right.

Jessamyn 52:09 Right, right. Because you know, same stuff happening. It's just your eyeballs are taking it in and feeling weird. Well, because that's the thing, right? Like vision is so much a thing that happens in the brain. Yeah, your brain is used to doing it. It's like, it's like those people who wear the upside down glasses. And eventually, they just start seeing everything. Not upside down anymore. Yeah. Which I just I still, ah, makes my head hurt. But I did miss this library, pandering blog. Blog. Listen to me, this blog, Bella Donna made a post Blogger blog. Yeah, from The Guardian. It's about many people don't know this, Christopher Columbus had a son, which everybody who everybody points out was illegitimate, but whatever, who had this amazing library, and a lot of the amazing library is lost. But the catalog of the books in the amazing library, which has descriptions of many of these books that have been lost, and nobody knows anything about is still around. So it's another one these archival quote, unquote, discoveries were important. In fact, it's been there all along. But it's in a library, I believe in Iceland. And so people didn't expect to find this I believe Spanish language book, oh, Copenhagen, sorry, in like this other library, like most of the books are in the native language. But then some books are not the native language. And so people don't know as much about those books. At any rate, great post from Bella Donna, it's another one loads, like 25 comments, 76 favorites. But the article itself, which I read, before I even saw it on metal filter is actually kind of fascinating. So if you're into sort of weird library discoveries and ancient books, oh, the majority of the items in this collection are in Icelandic or Scandinavian languages. And there's plenty Spanish language manuscripts of which this is one and it's actually pretty interesting and impressive.

Cortex 54:00 Looks. Yeah, it is pretty cool. Yeah.

Jessamyn 54:03 I love it. I love it. And that's it for me with metal filter, because I was not spending a lot of time on metal filter this month. Even though I was spending a lot of time on medical to the website. I spent a lot of time in AskMe edit filter.

Cortex 54:13 Yeah. I will mention one more and then we can move on to ask. And this is my own post because I just love it so much. I want people to see it some more. It's just a thing I saw on Twitter from someone who pays attention to sports actually, I think it might have been Jill lucky. It's 12 years ago, a guy threw a piece of pizza at another guy at a baseball game and the commentary the color commentary at the time just turned it into this wonderful fucking thing. So if you want to go laugh at some goofy sports stuff for a few minutes, definitely go watch a long time ago, like I was like 12 years ago.

Jessamyn 54:50 Okay, I remember hearing about it at the time and not understanding it and you know what, I still don't

Cortex 54:56 just just give yourself five minutes at some point and go watch it. It's it's pretty great. I'll mention one other thing real quick too and let people know that there's an article. This is a post from Zamboni. This article is about how to decode a JPEG image. And that's what the article is about

Jessamyn 55:11 what that meant. So I did click it because it sounded like maybe I wouldn't enjoy it. But maybe you can tell me you might enjoy it. I don't know what I would find on the other end of that click.

Cortex 55:20 Every every image file that exists is a bunch of ones and zeros put together in a specific order. Sure. Some of them are more straightforward. And others a classic bitmap image is real straightforward. It just says, Turn this off. Yeah, it's like, here's, here's this many bytes for each pixel in order in this image done. And that's why bitmaps are actually kind of huge if they're not then compressed in some because it's literally a pixel by pixel encoding. Yeah. And it's just like the, here's the value for each pixel. And it's not

Jessamyn 55:48 even coded. Maybe it's encoded, I don't know what encoded means, okay.

Cortex 55:53 Stuff like, I mean, encoding is just like saying, Okay, this is, this is how we're going to store this information. And a bitmap says, We're gonna store this information by writing it down in sequence. And that's it. And it's great, because if you find a bitmap somewhere, you can find out what's in it. By just reading that stuff out. You don't really like it'd be a good one to let aliens try and decode because there's not really any trickery going on. On the other hand, it makes for very large files. JPEG goes like, hard in the other direction. JPEG does several different things.

Jessamyn 56:22 That indicates if these two pixels are this different or not that different, make them the same or not the same.

Cortex 56:27 Yeah, it's a lossy compression format, much like the mp3 format as a lossy format, instead of saying, Okay, how can we store this information? This exact information? How much? How much of this? Yeah, yeah. GIF, GIF and ping, ping both? Like, oh, Tiff. Yes. an uncompressed GIF does the same. I don't know what a generous gift. Anyway, yes. So you can you can take the information and find clever ways to store it more efficiently. Or you can say, how much information can we throw away and still basically, capture the gist. And that's what a JPEG does, that's when an mp3 Does it says, Okay, if someone looks at this, we can throw a certain amount of the very fine details away and they aren't even going to notice. So if they have a lightly compressed JPEG, it's gonna be a difference. Yeah, it'll be much smaller than a bitmap, and it'll look the same, you know? And then if you need to even save more space to say, Well, what aren't people gonna mind too much if we get rid of and so like,

Jessamyn 57:31 what your pictures for? Right? Like, I always tell people when I'm talking in drop in time, like if you're just gonna email somebody like a crappy photo of like, this is the view at our window, like it maybe doesn't matter. But if you've got a picture of a sunset that you want to print and hanging on your wall, it totally does matter.

Cortex 57:47 Yeah, exactly. You know, it's context dependent, for sure. So that's it. It's a good write up with examples, it actually walks through all the different parts of how a JPEG gets encoded, like in sequence and lets you interact with the data inside the files. So you can actually muck around with the image content in real time by editing. Or we're back around to like the hacker scene with a hex editor basically, but for real this time and messing with JPEGs if I mentioned turtlenecks recently enough, anyway, it's it's a fun to read. Go check it out. And that's it, mama.

Unknown Speaker 58:21 Mama says she is just so damn nice. She never scold. She always let them muffler they eat whenever I feel like today and then the watches Oh, mama, mama fish is gonna be around as your

Cortex 58:40 Shall we talk about as Metafilter? Love

Jessamyn 58:42 it? Yes. Oh, you mean me? Yeah. I believe there's two that are linked. But I have one right in front of me. And I'll chuck down the other 110 called hot dogs, which is user to him I think we don't mention nearly nearly enough, basically asks a question. Trying to maybe remember a story stuck in their head about so Canada has a thing called legal deposit if you want. If you make a thing, you have to give it to LSE libraries and archives Canada so that they have a copy. But maybe there were people who were like, I don't want the thing to be there because of reasons. And Johnny assay sa sa comes up with the story, which is from 2002 to basically say, we're not going to give a copy of our thing to libraries and archives Canada because it's actually a really expensive thing. And we're not going to give you a copy for free. It was interesting to me because I only sort of understand how legal deposit works. Oh, I remember now that I'm talking about it. I remember the other thing that I was gonna mention. So Yeah, so it's an interesting, you know, and it was answered kind of in three. And so basically the other one was, I don't even have it in front of me right now. But collective mind had another question about his book. Let me track it down.

Cortex 1:00:16 So, wow, I don't I didn't know about this at all. This is not just like, copyright register. This is like, you just have to if you publish it in Canada, you have to give us a cup of

Jessamyn 1:00:25 coffee. Yeah, like in the US. So collective mind was actually asking copy and asking the question about copyright registry, right? Like they're writing a book, and they want to make sure they have copyright on it. And so they have to get a copy to the copyright office, and they're not totally sure how here it is. They're not totally sure how to do that, in the right time, right. Like, if I publish my book before the copyright office processes that does that mean, I'm gonna be in trouble. And in the United States, not much, unless you want to go sue people for using your stuff, right, which is a pretty big IP, but whatever. But in Canada, you know, basically, their national library, because it's an actual National Library, unlike the Library of Congress, which is actually not. And this is a sort of distinction without a difference to some people and a very important distinction to other people. You just have to give a copy of your book to Lac libraries and archives, Canada, I think I may be misrepresenting this, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

Cortex 1:01:33 But if I certainly don't know better, so it sounds good to me.

Jessamyn 1:01:35 $1,000. Fancy thing, and you only publish 10 of it. Yeah, Billy, what do you have to do?

Cortex 1:01:42 And so that's, you should just give them a fucking PDF.

Jessamyn 1:01:45 He does give him the finger. I mean, because it has a hologram in it like that's why it's expensive, right? Like, you can't make a PDF of a hologram. I don't think it's, it's outside my wheelhouse. But essentially, those are the central Crux and really 10 called hot dogs. Just wanted to remember the article about the people who did this, and what happened to them. And so this came up. So two questions about copyright with two different sort of national or are they really national libraries? The end? Nice. Yeah.

Cortex 1:02:18 There was a question from Cashman that I came across, because he linked it from malt shop where he was posting an image about it. And I don't remember which order to do this. But anyway, the question. Yeah, the question is, like,

Jessamyn 1:02:33 you know, what's the deal with a bunch of stuff up on malt shop and was like, What is this and then

Cortex 1:02:39 going on? To question what's what's the super branding trend in athletic gears and clothes is how he says it basically clothes with like, huge logos like obnoxiously, conspicuously ridiculously large out there. multiple brands. Yeah. And just like, go, go go to the go to the question, look at the images. But it's like, just weird, big strange, like branding that has lost its mind sort of feel. But it's clearly like being done intentionally by like, you know, people who are aware that they're wearing weird, hyper branded stuff, and right,

Jessamyn 1:03:14 like, if you're gonna wear the brand, why don't you really wear the brand, and it kind of started with some of that supreme stuff. And then it's just become a thing. But Cashman wasn't sure. He's like, is this a thing? And a couple people were like, yes, it is. In fact,

Cortex 1:03:33 it was the thing I notice is there's not really like, there's not like a nothing definitive comes out of the question. Like it's some people point out some historical stuff. Some current stuff was like, Yeah, well, yeah, I guess this thing, and that's about as far as it went, but it's, it's interesting, I am interested to. And also, I don't think I consumed the media where I would have run across this in the first place. I learned most of

Jessamyn 1:03:55 what I know about sneakers from cash man's shop. And I also told my sister to join, he has like a, I don't know, like a kicks or like a sneaker shake. And I told my sister who's also like a weird sneaker head and like a very narrow band kind of way that she would like it because Cashman is also somebody who cares about sneakers, albeit different kinds of sneakers than the ones she cares about. It's just reminding me now that I am like, I had a dream about sneakers last night, and never dream about fucking sneakers, like, but I had like a pair of like black low rise checks that I was wearing that for some reason, were the perfect accompaniment to my outfit. And that was like a good thing in the stream. Whoa, it's all coming back to me.

Cortex 1:04:40 Nice. All right. So I had a dream that I texted you to say, Man, I sleeping really poorly. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for the podcast in the morning. Maybe we should do it tomorrow. Like and I was like, did I actually check my phone? No, I didn't. Okay, I didn't get up in the middle of the night. And actually, you could fly with the fuck would I text you?

Jessamyn 1:04:55 Well, that's funny because Jim does that occasionally. Because like he and I have kind of, you know, our long distance relationship routine, right? We text each other when we get up, which for me is, is whenever I'm up, but for him is usually like, either 11 or one depending if it's a weekday or a weekend. And, you know, then he'll write me back by kind of a certain time. I'll write him an email in the morning and, and but he will occasionally text me just to tell me he's going back to sleep. Because like, most days, he gets up at 11 for work for his full time job that he gets health care and benefits, and he goes to wakes up at 11. I can't even but sometimes he'll be like, Oh, I slept kind of shitty. I'm going back to bed, but he'll text me to let me know because I'll be like, dude, aren't you supposed to wake up and go to work? So it is a thing that happens, but not with me and you? So yeah, you had a dream of my life somehow?

Cortex 1:05:50 Yeah. Like in reality, if that had actually played on, really, I will send you an email. I think that's that was the, you know,

Jessamyn 1:05:56 I emailed you last night, actually. So that could have been a thing. Because I just got back from Maryland last night. I wasn't 100% Sure. I was going to be like up at them today. But by the time I got home last night, I was like, Oh, this one actually okay. Yep. That's good. Okay, so

Cortex 1:06:14 he told me about this

Jessamyn 1:06:16 medical Trick question that I would really like to know the answer to. And we do not yet. So pigtail orchestra, another lovely username, basically was in an elevator going up and noticed that in one of the corners, there was like this funny little light thing. And this person took a picture of it, the elevator stopped going up, paused, and then started going down with them not doing anything. And then it opened at the floor below ground level. And then eventually, they were able to go back up again. Question, what happened? And people aren't sure. Right. elevators have a recall mode, according to youth Say yes. Say yes. You would see your words.

Cortex 1:07:06 Keep going. We'll get there. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:07:09 And basically, elevators have a recall mode, and maybe this was it. And then a whole bunch of other people were like, well try it again. Who knows? Maybe it was just a coincidence? I don't know. And so we still don't know. And I'm curious.

Cortex 1:07:24 Yeah. Well, maybe maybe Otis can feel it.

Jessamyn 1:07:32 Speaking of AskMe edit filters that need a little bit more love and attention. ignoring you. JT Harper mefite. I have met personally, is going to own a condo. That is cool. But it's kind of wondering like, Okay, since I'm going from being a renter, to somebody who owns, what are some things that I know, and Zamboni answered with a whole bunch of links, which is great, but it would really be nice if someone would give JT Harper some personal advice. Instead of just like, you know, AskMe filters past? And I am not sure what I would tell him, so maybe I won't, but at any rate, other people should pop into that thread if for, you know, no other reason than to be like, hey, JD Harper, way to go. Congrats on your condo. That's cool.

Cortex 1:08:25 Yeah. There was a well, there was a, there was a fire at the Cathedral of Notre Dame. And then there was a question from skip the potato plant that basically trying to say, hey, I don't really know anything about the cultural and symbolic significance of Notre Dame, notre Dom, whatever. So help me understand, you know, which I think is a position a lot of people were in. And it was actually kind of at a time slightly bumpy as medical just read, because the whole thing, which was very charged, but a bunch of people brought in some sort of context. And you know, if you want to get sort of a take from several people there in sort of a shorter form, rather than reading through it, whatever. 600 comment Metafilter thread. Yeah, it was kind of a nice sort of rundown of like, well, here's, yeah, here's the short version. Well, I

Jessamyn 1:09:19 did think that was really interesting. I fall down on the side of like, I get it, but I don't get it. And so it's been interesting. And I am aware that if that is your feeling, probably the best thing to do in situations where people are having these kinds of raw emotional responses is to shut up and ask about something else later. And I'm on a couple of mailing lists where we could actually talk about that a little bit more freely, because I really didn't get it in a in a pretty real way. And it was helpful and that thread was actually also helpful for me. Because I mean, I know you guys deal with that. And AskMe Metafilter right, there was a I don't even remember what it was, but there was some bumping metatags thread where people were evoking 911 and other people were like Joe talk about it. And like, you know, those people are having feelings and those feelings are real. But you know, for different people 911 meant very different things. And it's important to understand them. And for me, notre DOM was sufficiently abstract that I couldn't quite figure it out. So it's good to read. Why? Why that might have been happening in in a place where I didn't have to dive into the thread and were like, Can someone explain to me like five? Why you care? Like, that? Never goes well? Yep, yes. Ah, I enjoyed Joan Rivers of Babylon. Every user name is gold.

Cortex 1:10:50 We should do a episode where all we do is read through user names that we

Jessamyn 1:10:53 like, you know, that actually would be a nice little bit, you know, just have I mean, not even us somebody else. Like, just everybody. Everybody reads a list of their 1010 usernames they enjoy, you know, something like that.

Cortex 1:11:06 We'll call them but yeah,

Jessamyn 1:11:08 yeah, that's a really good idea. I wish I thought of it. So Joan, rivers of Babylon basically has a photo that they bought at an antique shop in Ethica. It's basically a, like, weird picture from our World War Two, the fourth horseman beating Nazi drums. I mean, you know, for those of you who might be upset by this, like, it's a weird, creepy Nazi thing. But like, you know, it looks like it's from the United States, like, what is it? What's going on? And people actually find some video of the New York at war parade in 1942, where people are actually narrating the parade. And they have people talking about that specific flow, which is what I thought was really the most about Yeah, so Kia, San and monkey toes. Just did a great job tracking that down. And it was really interesting for me to read it.

Cortex 1:12:11 Fantastic work, everybody. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:12:14 Did you spend any time and ask Metafilter? Because I sure did. And I have a lot of things.

Cortex 1:12:19 The only other thing I have to mention is my own question. Because because I can I'm working on doing thing about stuff. Obviously, it works out

Jessamyn 1:12:27 a question, okay,

Cortex 1:12:28 I just posted. No, I don't. And you can buy some cheap small ones. You can buy some large, not cheap ones. And I'm trying to figure out more like, where to look in the large, not cheap version. And I'll

Jessamyn 1:12:39 just tell you, my local friend who does stained glass in town has a light table that is probably four feet by eight feet. Yeah, he bought that he built probably himself. And oh my god, it is a thing of beauty. But

Cortex 1:12:53 yeah, like there's been a couple of good answers. In the light, people have pointed to a couple of like, potential models to buy. But a couple people have gone through detailed circle of confusion, in particular laid out a nice walkthrough of the whole process, they went to build one. And I'm kind of feeling like they may be building one will be the way to go. But it's also one of the things where like, I just don't know, so it's a nice chance that you've got

Jessamyn 1:13:14 friends who are handy. It might be something I mean, I don't know what your building skills are like, but it might be something like a friend who's also a friend who is build the could build it kind of quickly and easily. If you are not building it might be either a good project to learn how to do it, or maybe you'd rather be doing what you're good at. And having said that, I do

Cortex 1:13:31 know some makery people in town, that's probably a good one hiring Americans. Yeah, instead of just figuring out how to do it myself, I could get someone else well

Jessamyn 1:13:39 because that is sometimes I mean, not that this is your thing. I do not this is not me, like throwing shade, but sometimes nerds have a tendency to be like oh, just you know, start from first principles instead of being like yeah, actually first principle is you pay someone to build that so you do your thing. I mean, not always, but sometimes

Cortex 1:13:57 but sometimes it's yeah, like use other people's strengths and like to some extent like I think if I had a table saw I'd be like a couple steps closer saying well just whip something together but like yes anyway.

Jessamyn 1:14:08 You're gonna it's just been framed?

Cortex 1:14:11 No, I've got a got a handheld skill saw that I can use for step lights day to day I've thought about a lot of these and at some point it probably will have a table saw but I don't

Jessamyn 1:14:20 definitely have a chops off for making frames like for doing kind of angle II stuff but ya know, you know, I've got like a

Cortex 1:14:27 miter box I just don't do much woodwork yet don't do that. I've rented I've rented I've rented a skill saw or not skills off but like a chop saw miter from the local tool library once or twice when I actually need to do stuff anyway about me Tell me more about AskMe

Jessamyn 1:14:47 well, I need to read that didn't have a lot going on but did have a little bit going on is turtles. Again. These excuse me these towards turtles like dawdles but like in it's sort of a different Way tortilis basically works for a national charity that helps people and supports people with mental health issues, especially people who are feeling suicidal or despairing, and they sort of realize that there's a lot of emotional labor that goes in from the people who are staffing, who were volunteering to do that work. And they want to help those people and also indicate to those people that they're being supported by the organization. And so that person gets to do kind of a 30 minute talk about stuff. What should that what should be in it? And, you know, I think it's a very thoughtful question. It's still open. So if people have ideas as they listen to this, they should. They should definitely, you know, read up on it, but it is kind of an interesting thing, especially, you know, I chimed in on the self care, meta talk from before, but like, how do you encourage people who are doing emotionally draining work, even if it's for like, a completely good cause to also, you know, step back and make sure they take care of themselves and understand that you understand what you're asking and that it's emotionally draining. So I thought it was a really interesting as metaphor thread, not in sort of my current realm of stuff, that I am not not in the usual Jessamine range, but I was interested in.

So a few more. Jim says Hi, by the way, he's awake. I like this one because it typically

Cortex 1:16:59 I've seen him though he's not on display. turtlenecks.

Jessamyn 1:17:11 I like finding different joke ways to respond to you every time you do this.

Cortex 1:17:17 You'll find a lot of material.

Jessamyn 1:17:19 So this was my memo. If you wanted to live entirely on pizza, what would be the most nutritionally complex combination of toppings? Now, I enjoy this question, because I enjoy the kind of constraints and the math of it. You know, like, because there's so many metaphors for people who would like to live on some kind of kibble that they could just eat every single day and be fine, right? It's like the way Mark Zuckerberg or I don't know, Steve Jobs, always would wear the same outfit. So they didn't have to think about

Cortex 1:17:51 what kind of outfit T

Jessamyn 1:17:53 shirts or turtlenecks depending. Okay? Every day, so they wouldn't have to think about clothes so that they could free up more of their mind to think about how to fuck people over to survive, right? So the red squirrel has moved to the tree. Flipping his tail at me, but So at any rate,

Cortex 1:18:12 I like that. Ooh, look, a squirrel is literally part of our like, narrative flow.

Jessamyn 1:18:16 I should probably be the title of this podcast, right? Ooh, look, a squirrel filter just so dramatic looking in their in their beautiful kind of red orange color. But so I love this question. Because I was like, I liked that idea. Right. I liked I liked the mathematical idea of what would you have to put on a pizza so that you could survive solely on it? Right? You only eat that metal filter? People answered it in all of their usual weird ass ways. Right? So which was is great also, but different. Like what I wanted was the answer. You know, you would need this so you made sure you had enough of that and that and another thing and whatever. But it was kind of an interesting and interesting question. And then Jay in the brown comes in with the science towards towards the end. who draws the line at bananas? On a pizza,

Cortex 1:19:14 and we become a weird,

Jessamyn 1:19:16 right? I like pineapple on a pizza. So you don't put no pineapple on no pizza.

Cortex 1:19:20 Well, I won't put on yours.

Jessamyn 1:19:22 Thank you. I enjoyed in a weird way this very sad in some ways thread by night doctress who got fired from her job because she wasn't a good fit. And was feeling really weird about it and was like, How do I kind of come to terms with this? This sucks. And so that sucks. And night doctor so I'm really sorry about that. Yeah, that's important. There are a lot of people on the thread who are like, dude, if you got fired for not being a good fit by a bunch of people who don't have a bunch of good answers why that was the case. You may have a legal case to go after those people and age Just got a lot of good support and coaching from people. And maybe that's not the way you want to go. Like sometimes you just walk away from a job, and that's fine. But it is sometimes nice to see a sort of supportive environment where people were like, yeah, not only does that suck, it might have been illegal. So let's talk you through what if you want to pursue this, how you could pursue it, you know, and also being like, that sucks. And I feel bad for you. And, you know, so it's supportive, while at the same token being like, you know, FYI, good fit can also be, you know, kind of a racist dog whistle or whatever. So, you know, keep that in mind. Yeah. And so, my last, my last thing, from one more thing, and I just liked this because I like my answer, let's be honest, it is by Jade pearl. Basically, like, I like to use Google Scholar, but it irritates me that I can't look up by ISBN, which is, you know, the Standard Book Number ISSN. Same thing, but for you know, cereals or journal publications, or like, you know, doi OCR D. It's all this like library and blah, blah, Ginger stuff. But like

Cortex 1:21:15 ASMR

Jessamyn 1:21:17 Why can't I do that on Google Scholar? And the ultimate answer is actually mine, because Google sucks. But there's some more to it, which is that you know, things like authority control where you make sure all the books by Mark Twain and Samuel Clemens, and Samuel E. Clemens, or whatever are all grouped together under one heading, even though obviously, they're different letters slash words slash names is actually complicated. And it doesn't scale as well as deciding you don't give a fuck and your search is good enough. So it was an interesting thread unknown command comes in later another library person and says basically the same thing. There's a couple other answers. But it's an interesting question. And a whole bunch of good like, Here, read what these things are in case you're curious. And then a couple answers.

Cortex 1:22:07 Cool. Yeah. Good work, everybody. Including you, gentlemen. Oh, thank you. Well, I'll do a quick music minute here. There's some good music on Metafilter music I'll try harder than that. There is some excellent arpeggiated nonsense from carried adventure whose arpeggios nonsense I always really enjoy. What does that mean exactly? arpeggiation is breaking a chord up into like a series of notes so like and stuff like playing a C major chord, that's like the notes down boom, boom, in sequence, like together as a chord, buddy, booty Booty booty. BDPA would be arpeggiating over. Okay, so So think think Mozart and or every piece of synthesizer music ever made basically. While it's not true, lots of people just do like spacey pads but anyway arpeggiation it's great and carry adventure doesn't good arpeggiation on the regular and I liked that one. Very different is this live recording of semi salt playing flute I believe on on Dante expressible by Mendelssohn. Myself has posted a number of recordings of flute and piano music. Just some nice stuff to listen to. There is the absolutely delightful first posted music by scroll down blue heels, posted a translation of the song Lamar mom, they pass on by Bobby LaPointe. Which apparently, you know, sure looks like French to me, but they translated or they're seeing a translation in English, and it's super great. That's just deaf. I don't know, the original and I found bluegills is version a lot of fun. I recorded a song like a month and a half ago and I haven't been doing that as much in the last few years. So I'm happy that I did it. It's called Oh no. FOMO and it's about being constantly sort of in your face. I liked it. Yeah, I liked it too. And then to cap it off. Transitional procedures posted a cover of the Phil Collins song in the air tonight. And I really like it it's it's weird and creepy with this sort of intense creepy the song This song is creepy. And this like doubles down like it's it's it's lots of, I believe more vocoders than the original. And yeah, that's it's really great. I like it. It's I feel like any cover up in the air tonight needs a spoiler warning like or a content warning upfront that it either does or does not include a conspicuous use of the the film. This one does not

Jessamyn 1:24:46 replace yourself. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex 1:24:49 If you're old enough for that to to put to put on this is not going to have the big failure. But it's very good. And it does its own change up at the end there and yeah, it's good. Uh, that's That's music. There's a bunch and there's more music Goldust and music musics good.

Jessamyn 1:25:04 We talk. It was your birthday.

Cortex 1:25:08 It was my birthday. I'm a 40. Lordy Lord.

Jessamyn 1:25:10 Oh god. Is it your milestone birthday? Yeah. Well, I didn't know you turn 40 And I turned 50 In the same 12 month period. That's cool.

Cortex 1:25:19 Yeah, guys, we turned over the old dominators. Great. Yep.

Jessamyn 1:25:24 Yeah. Happy birthday. I want a year supply of cheese.

Cortex 1:25:27 Yes.

Jessamyn 1:25:31 That's excellent. I don't even know what else to say about that. That is. That's what that is always. This point,

Cortex 1:25:37 as Admiral Devine said in the song skater boy. I don't remember why now, actually, something about what more do I need to say? And let's let's just strike that whole thing for the record. Okay, I will totally edit that out.

Jessamyn 1:25:55 over Twitter, and it's because I use the hashtag and there was a contest among a group of people most of whom don't use the internet. So go me, I guess. And I don't know what it means because the lady wants to call me on the phone to talk about it. So that'll go well.

Cortex 1:26:11 Nevermind, I do not need to cheat. Goodbye. But

Jessamyn 1:26:14 me FY 20 is happening this summer. So wait, I turned 50? You turn 40 netfilter turns 20? Yep. Come on.

Cortex 1:26:22 What a convergence, right? It's like, it's like the sun and the moon and the earth. That's glorious. But

Jessamyn 1:26:26 I have a party at my house over the summer. And I believe we will be featuring cheese. Excellent. For more details TK on that but yeah, but at least that's my my current plan, assuming things don't fall apart, which they probably almost definitely well, but

Cortex 1:26:46 I mentioned that but the top telephone Pictionary stuff going on. And there's a thread about some of that coming through. So if you're interested in that, go check that out. I also

Jessamyn 1:26:54 enjoyed Simic, geez, Hey, give us a poem. It was National Poetry Month and April. And it is a very like get your scroll and fingers warmed up. Because it is a long in terms of actually being lengthy thread because everybody posts their poems, but I enjoyed, you know, seeing seeing the poems that other people like and it's cool.

Cortex 1:27:18 It's a it's a it's a poem Plex. We've got more inside tote bags for sale and so if you always wanted a nice canvas tote with metal filter on one side and more inside on the other,

Jessamyn 1:27:29 I just got a free canvas tote from the mellower metal aware Darrell and Delaware Maryland Library Association conference that I just came from, and may not need any more totes, but it does look snappy. Is it a year supply of I think it's for carrying cheese around to be perfectly honest. i My life is a sitcom Josh. I don't know how to cheese

Cortex 1:27:57 Yeah. fanfare I'm gonna remember to mention. Yeah, yeah, it's it's

fewer people. Yeah, yeah. Fewer people died than you would think. Beyond that, probably. Probably not great for us to like, actually deliberately.

Jessamyn 1:28:22 Watch it. So literally, all I know is are those things and I couldn't spoil it if I wanted to. I just think it's a joke, because I'm praying that they all die because I hate the show. I hate you know, George RR Martin. He is creepy and gross. Although it's weird, right? Because one of the GOP writers is what is the expanse writer and the expanse is actually very progressive, where Game of Thrones is actively regressive. And it's interesting that that is the case to me.

Cortex 1:28:51 Yeah. Also, the big Avengers movie happened. And the game

Jessamyn 1:28:57 was just invited. I would be watching that movie if I were not speaking to you right now. Oh, yeah. I'll watch it.

Cortex 1:29:04 And see the previous ones still like, Oh, really? Yeah, I'm sort of lukewarm on them. Like, I don't mind watching them. But I don't really I kind

Jessamyn 1:29:13 of enjoy them in that they are predictable comic book kind of way. And I like being in our local movie theater. You know, because yeah, cool. Movie Theater, all your neighbors are there. It's actually kind of fun. I can see. And I don't like seeing you know, 90% of everything movies. So even though I basically I made GJ cold chef spoil the whole movie for me. So I know who lives and dies. I will not say who lives or dies, but I was like, spoil the movie for me. He's like, well, some important characters die. And I was like, No, tell me who made him tell me because that I enjoy the movie better if I'm not anxious about who's going to die or limb I'll just be like, That person will die so don't get too attached. Yeah. But yeah, so I will I will probably see that and I I went to the fanfare. I did my first fanfare I didn't do it I listened or paid attention to. There's a fanfare thread by Homo neanderthalensis about Susan or the book by Susan or lean. This is not it.

Up. Josh, like you've never made a mistake,

Cortex 1:30:29 when you didn't even need to, you didn't even acknowledge the team did it wrong because I just dropped the link quietly pasted.

Jessamyn 1:30:36 Can I know. But it's also by Homo neanderthalensis, I don't know how I managed to get the wrong thing. But Susan Orlean wrote a book about libraries, and it's called the library book, and you would think it would suck as a result of just it's a dumb title. But in fact, it's a wonderful one of the best books I've ever read written about libraries. And there's a very short but you know, come join us fanfare book thread about it. I've talked in fanfare about movies and about television, but this was my first foray into talking about a book and I was happy to do it.

Cortex 1:31:13 Yeah, yeah, I feel like that the real literary power move actually, is to, like, write a really good book. And this is given kind of a half assed title.

Jessamyn 1:31:21 She's a baller, like, I mean, everything she writes is amazing. She spent four years writing this, and basically, it's a mic drop of like, Nope, this is fucking it. You know, like, it is the perfect title. And the book itself is glorious, like from it feels good in your hands. Like, it's all its attention to detail from the very beginning to the very end, right. Like the end papers are nicely decorated. It's got this great, everything is perfect. And it's a joy to read. So you know, so cool.

Cortex 1:31:55 Nice. I feel

Jessamyn 1:31:56 like she might be like, maybe has had a Metafilter account. Like once, maybe made a comment. I don't recall. Yeah, we can. You know, if it's a secret, I guess we won't tell. But it was a secret. Like, I think she may have showed up to make a comment. I think somebody called me fi zone at some point. But I don't know, at any rate. fanfare continues to deliver you a fanfare.

Cortex 1:32:21 Yep. All right. Well, I think that's everything. I think I think we did it. We talked about the whole website.

Jessamyn 1:32:26 I appreciate you. Meeting me on a weekend because

Cortex 1:32:29 I appreciate you too. Oh, that's not what you were saying. Okay, what did you say? Trying to pretend that you're just saying, I appreciate you and then I was like, reciprocating, but then figuring out that wasn't what you're saying like so it's like, Oh, my God, like sitcom writing I was going for

Alright, enjoy our talk.

Jessamyn 1:32:50 Sweet too. I appreciate you meeting me on a weekend because I know normally this would be a weekend day for you. And the weekend has no meaning to me because I'm always working at least a little bit but never working too much. So at any rate, Thanks for meeting me on a Sunday so that I didn't squeeze this into my week, which is going to be kind of hectic and busy.

Cortex 1:33:08 Now works out just fine. Just fine. All right, well, well, happy podcasting, everybody and turtlenecks. One more thing. That's all. Thanks. Bye, Josh. Wake up. And the first thing I do look at my phone ruin my whole day. There's a brief moment when none of that is wrong. Then it goes away

with whatever was coming up other realization