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A transcript for Episode 147: We Forgot What We Were Gonna Call This One (2018-11-30).

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Cortex 0:00 A couple of things you

Jessamyn 0:25 this bird was literally hanging on the icicle so that it could drink the water that was dripping from the icicle. Oh my god that was

Cortex 0:34 That is some ingenuity. That is that is. That is That is some bird stuff.

Jessamyn 0:38 I wish I could have gotten a picture of it. But yeah, and I like winter but it does mean the days are short, and I live tucked into a little hill. So the sunsets at 245 If we ever even saw it, which not today, but yeah, at any rate, so hey,

Cortex 0:53 hey, how are you? Yeah. Podcast. That's right.

Jessamyn 0:58 Kinda day.

Cortex 0:59 It's episode 147 of the Metafilter monthly podcast. I am Josh cortex Mullard.

Jessamyn 1:05 And I'm Jessamyn.

Cortex 1:07 And we're podcasting. Yeah, I don't know, I this might be a podcast that starts with like five fucking minutes of pre roll chatter, or I might have just started right there. Who knows? We'll see what I do in the edit. Right back there. It would require an edit suggests it's going to just be five minutes pre roll,

Jessamyn 1:20 but do you even edit anymore, bro? Do you even

Cortex 1:24 I have very deliberately for years like designed around the idea of not like doing extensive editing show. We'll still do little edits every once awhile. Like, if I noticed, like, there was a real bad audio issue somewhere like a hatchet and make a note or way off script. Yeah, shit. Yeah, yeah. If we started, like, you know, spilling tea or something like, I'll make a note and go like, cut that up. But like, I would say, like, tea, spilling tea. Yeah. What does that mean? It's like, like, like, like gossiping, like, like, Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:56 I mean, I inferred it from context, but I didn't know. Great. I like it.

Cortex 2:00 I mean, I've also picked it up from context. So there's probably nuances. But you know, that's my that's my basic understanding of it. Yeah, no, I mostly know, I would say in the average podcast episode I make between zero and one edits other than like, the stuff required like lop off something at the beginning to line up the theme song, to do the edits for the music to set up music cues, but pretty much I use what we do, like, you know, it's it, they enjoy our flow of discussion in it. I think it serves its purpose well enough.

Jessamyn 2:32 Yeah, me too. So hey, ah, the number 147 is notable for having a Wikipedia page that has nothing. Like basically they're like, it's a natural number, it's after 146 It's before 148.

Cortex 2:48 This is the one where Wikipedia finally gave up.

Jessamyn 2:51 They did. I mean, it does say like, the digits 147, or the left hand column of a normal numeric keypad, which is not information, as far as I'm concerned. Just reading, and then the binary form of 147 has all the two digit binary numbers which whatever, like somebody's reaching at that point, you know, it's,

Cortex 3:13 it's who does it for? I mean, so it's got 000110

Jessamyn 3:16 and one one. Yeah, binary form because it is actually 100100 and one one, if you know the bird yeah, there's another I was drinking from the icicle I cannot get over this. This is sorry, I have the whole

Cortex 3:33 the whole packing of there was a there was a post actually about Super permutations that's on that sort of subject and in fact, I think 147 is probably not an optimized Supermoon mutation of that list of two digit binary numbers because it's probably too long. Okay, so a super print let me find this post.

Jessamyn 3:58 Was it was it actually in our last month of stuffer? No, it could.

Cortex 4:03 I think it was more recent than that. But

Jessamyn 4:06 that in our last month of stuff Josh, our last recent than our last month,

Cortex 4:11 our last actual podcast sorry, I jumped in the wrong direction there. Okay. Super permutations There we go. Yeah, no, this was November so this is this is legit. This is a good little story. I guess. We're just gonna jump right into talking about a thing on the podcast. How dare we That's

Jessamyn 4:27 great. Wait, are you tossing it Where do you put these

Cortex 4:30 links? I'm putting it in the Tricaster See, this is the sort of thing that like someone who was going to edit a podcast with edit out that I'm absolutely not ever and having. I think it makes us more relatable I think so to let people know these are these these aren't just like big famous untouchable Hollywood celebrities. These are real podcasters down to earth don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Jessamyn 4:51 I don't even know how long we have been doing

Cortex 4:53 doing podcasts so long that people thought podcast was an interesting thing that Yeah. Yeah, you It started before I got hired.

Jessamyn 5:02 Good Lord 2005.

Cortex 5:04 Yeah, yeah. It wasn't that early. I

Jessamyn 5:07 want it. No, no, no. You know, I sometimes click projects when I mean to click podcasts and know if you really notice something very wrong about, you know, how would I know if something was really gone wrong with my with my brain? Wait a second, so there isn't a podcast archive page.

Cortex 5:32 Man, if there isn't, that's dumb. Gosh That's gotta be that's crazy.

Jessamyn 5:41 I lost my wallet. And it was in my jacket. So

Cortex 5:45 yeah, but I'm not seeing it either. So I don't fucking know. Ray. That's, that's crazy. Okay,

Jessamyn 5:52 well send an annoying feature request to do it.

Cortex 5:55 I wonder if there was one when we reformatted the podcast? I don't know. I don't know the podcast. So I think people may not know about like the undergirding of the podcast on meta filter. And why would they because this is like, dull technical shit. But the podcast exists as a carefully like carved out niche of meta talk, like we have podcasts on But if you go to any podcast thread, it's just the meta talk subdomain that suddenly like, you know, the podcast, medical dark Commons just like a little bit like a veil pulled over a slight organization of the podcast category of meta talk. And so that in retrospect, that doesn't super surprised me that we don't have a dedicated archives page, because it would have been something else to build not just something naturally there. But it's also maybe something we should build. That's dumb. All right. Well, what a what a sobering discovery this Friday morning.

Jessamyn 6:49 I feel like it's not one of those like Jessamyn it's right here under a for archive, like I lost the top to the milk last week. I had literally just open the milk, like how but I had put it on a shelf. I never put the top on a shelf. So I'm a little concerned, even though I know this is within the range of normal. So I'm happy to hear you telling ya.

Cortex 7:09 Ya know, I'm right there with you. It's time it is not obviously there. So I don't know if it's lurking out of you somewhere or if it just doesn't exist.

Jessamyn 7:18 I would also like to mention one other thing that came up in e mail, because there's no

Cortex 7:23 some kind of electronic mail.

Jessamyn 7:27 It's how I believe everything gets to get done nowadays, but um, fumble, just emailed me back to tell me that the gopher server is up and running again.

Cortex 7:35 Yes, the gopher servers back. So

Jessamyn 7:39 that was a, you know, request I put in several months ago and it finally reached the top of the pile. And now it's working. So I'm very happy about it. So anybody else who like me has been waiting for the gopher server to come back. Have at it?

Cortex 7:53 Yes, I was I got thinking about this. This, this podcast archives problem was like just explaining that like, oh, it's basically a Category Manager. I was like, well actually look at the middle talk archives. And the metadata. Metadata does, of course, have archives. And you can look at the Archives by date, like month and year, or you can look by category. So it's like, oh, I'll just click on the Mefi podcast category that takes me to a page that is just a paginated. You have to keep clicking back because there's just

Jessamyn 8:22 exactly the same as the podcast.

Cortex 8:28 Yeah, it's a different page. It's its own page that does the same thing. The chrome on top,

Jessamyn 8:32 it doesn't have no one doesn't have the player. I

Cortex 8:33 mean, you know, I mean, and like there was an argument here to make that like, you know, even 10 years in like, you only have to click like, at most like a dozen times, but still, like maybe we should put a dozen times

Jessamyn 8:44 number one compared to click here, like kill me. So angry at having to click the first 11 times. And also it's bad from an accessibility perspective.

Cortex 8:54 Yes, no, no, we should get some sort of navigation up there. Like we have enough podcasts now and probably have for a few years. Now when we look at it that way. We had to make sense.

Jessamyn 9:02 After we had more than 20 I think we had Well,

Cortex 9:05 sure. Sure. I wasn't making decisions at that point. So I Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, Dan, and Matt. will have them on sometime next year. This benefit What the fuck was that? Like, whoa, this Metafilter post about Super permutations. So this is actually kind of a good story. A super permutation. Okay, so a permutation like,

Jessamyn 9:30 hang on, it's a post by CGC 373. Yes, who I also have to give a shout out to because this person has saved my life providing me access to media content that I did not otherwise have access to, and he changed my life for the better several years ago. Shout out to ginger Baron Eartha, actually, who introduced me to Yeah, the first place. So

Cortex 9:54 yeah, we'll talk about that too. Yeah. So, Jesus, the super permutation, okay, let's take the, let's say if the digits one, two and three. Yep. And you want to permute, those you want to come up with every option of the permutations of 123 is every combination of one, two and three in a specific order.

Jessamyn 10:16 So 32213231312321

Cortex 10:20 Exactly. So that's, that's, there's six, there's six possible permutations of the numbers 123. Now, if you want to say,

Jessamyn 10:28 I didn't read that, in the post, I just knew that by the way, I scrolled down and saw it.

Cortex 10:36 So that's a permutation. It's a basic idea. It's got all sorts of interesting mathematical bits to it. If you want to create a string of numbers that contains all of those permutations, that's a super permutation is just like a term people are using to discuss this further need of a term. I don't know how well tested super permutation is, but that's what I'm saying. That's what the post is saying. And if, if you want a real simple way to generate a super permutation of 123, you just take all six, those permutations lined them up in a big 18 digit number, and boom, you're done. Like you've accomplished the task. But the question is, can you create a shorter string that still technically contains in three digit sub strings, all those and you totally can, you can, like do it in I don't know, like 10 or 11 digits or something with the 123 example. I think,

Jessamyn 11:25 Man, this post is all about Greg Egan, who's a sci fi writer.

Cortex 11:31 Yeah. And also some person who no one knows it is who posted a comment on 4chan Seven years ago, shut down for once. This is a story about someone posting something anonymously on 4chan, that isn't terrible. So we can all enjoy that. Well,

Jessamyn 11:47 quantum magazine, which consistently has really readable, interesting articles about math.

Cortex 11:53 Yeah, no, I totally read the link. The link is fun. And the discussion that ensued was fun. So I just like the whole thing. Because the gimmick is someone was asking questions about watching anime episodes in different orders. And like, how many how many episodes would you have to watch to watch every essentially every permutation of like a 14 episode run of a series that maybe famously was, like, aired out of order and then then released on DVD in a different order? And then on Blu ray in a different order? So clearly, like, yeah, it wasn't, yeah, yeah, it was aired out of order. So I think the joke is basically Well, no one knows what the actual order is. So we just have to watch all the orders. And you know, we have to watch all the orders. Yeah. And someone shows up on 4chan anonymously, say, Oh, this very large number, just out of the blue, and then like, over the years, some people like check that I was like, actually, actually, and then Greg Egan got involved, because he was a mathematician before he became a sci fi author. And he's like, Well, actually, and did some work on it. Now there's more known about like, super permutations as a result of this random 4chan post. And the articles about that, and it's kind of a fun read. In the ensuing discussion, I enjoyed a great deal. And, and yeah, so super permutations. There we go. I don't even remember what the instigation for. That was 10 minutes ago when I started the

Jessamyn 13:14 podcast. 147. Right. Yeah. And

Cortex 13:17 yeah, the binary digits. So you

Jessamyn 13:20 have all the manifestations of zero and one, which is

Cortex 13:23 probably 147 in binary is not a particularly good superpremium presentation, because it probably has too many digits. I bet you could do it in like, five or six.

Jessamyn 13:33 Oh, God, I can't even start thinking about that. Yeah, let's not

Cortex 13:35 get into it. But like, I'm just gonna put that out there. And someone in the in the podcast read can. I did introduce. Yeah, because we're talking with a number I must have actually said welcome to the

Jessamyn 13:44 you did I remember saying my name.

Cortex 13:48 This is this is this episode is going to be like a performative meditation on the already attested difficulty with memory that we were talking about. So we're just losing track of it throughout our filing and

Jessamyn 13:59 difficulty of memory. So the last podcast was you posted it November 5, but I think we recorded it a

Cortex 14:03 couple days earlier. Yeah. So we're basically doing November.

Jessamyn 14:06 Yeah, we told people to go vote. So thanks for voting. sort of helped.

Cortex 14:11 Yep. I mean, it was good. Some good stuff happened there to solve all the problems but yeah, I just sort of

Jessamyn 14:18 helped accurate I don't mean that in like a shitty way. I just beat it in like, Yeah, let's be realistic. It was it was not a blue wave, depending on how you interpret that. Sure. I'm happy with how it worked. I got reelected. So thank you, my town. That's what matters, I believe none of whom are listening to this. But Rachel, if you're out there, Hello, and thank you for your vote. My sister worked the polls all day in her town. I worked the polls a lot of the day in my town. It was good. It was fun. All of our you know, Vermont people except for the woman who was running for governor who I was hoping I didn't really think she would win but it would have really We've been cool to have like, you know, the first transgender governor in the country. But it was not her time, I think. Yeah.

Cortex 15:08 Well, we can mentioned a couple jobs. As we often do, there is a clinical research operations specialist. It stuff ish in Philadelphia. So Tengger is looking for someone for their research at the University of Pennsylvania.

Jessamyn 15:26 And then there is actually one other job. A 3d conversion artist, somebody is putting together a construction concern is the user. And basically, they're turning a TV commercial spot into stereoscopic 3d using the usual attack vectors. So if you know what that means, please get in touch with construction concerned who has an adorable profile icon that I believe it's some sort of muppet? Not an actual Muppet, but like a you know, a muppet? Ish.

Cortex 15:59 Yes. And those jobs we did it jobs.

Jessamyn 16:04 Yes. Present jobs. You know, keep in mind if you are looking for a job or looking for somebody for a job, that's a good use of metal filter jobs, and go to jobs,

Cortex 16:14 calm and fill some stuff out. Because hey, that's how it works. Yeah, that's what does it. Yeah. Projects. I am like feeling incredibly pandered to Yes. By this project for Man Down Under where they implemented the game of gnomic which I've talked about in past episodes, probably on a dozen occasions. Are you kidding?

Jessamyn 16:37 A dozen occasions or half a dozen? We talked about it 12 times what do you know make literally every third podcast?

Cortex 16:45 I don't I don't feel like it's come up in like the last year? I don't know. I this is

Jessamyn 16:51 what 50 cent bets are for Yeah, Jim and I stop arguing because we just have 50 cent bet. Yeah,

Cortex 16:57 let's put this to the phone and someone else can do exhaustive research to establish which of us gets

Jessamyn 17:03 I believe Josh has mentioned no make within the last year calendar year even I will accept calendar year.

Cortex 17:09 So I'm not even going to like I don't want to dispute that so much dispute the idea that like a dozen is low. I feel like a dozen is about right. Like that's, that's like once every year or two assuming I've mentioned it like really consistently but I feel like I've fallen way off at gnomic. Anyway, the point is, Madden under influences implemented game of gnomic on GitHub. And now that we've spent time talking about how I talked about nomic, I'll be as concise as I can know, MC is a game developed by a guy named Peter Suber decades ago as sort of an academic exercise, where it's a game where the rules of the game determine how you change the rules of game.

Jessamyn 17:46 And then that sounds appealing to you keep listening, the whole

Cortex 17:50 game play is continuing to change the rules until at some point, it reaches an end point of subsequent sometimes it's someone managed to change the rules to declare them the winner. Sometimes it goes until people say, Well, I think we've done all right to do here. Let's stop. But that's the whole idea. You you change the rules of the game. So manda Nutter implemented gnomic on GitHub, which is a platform for storing changes to code generally. And so you're playing gnomic in this case, by managing a GitHub repository, multiple people doing pull requests to put new code through, but in this case, it's a rules game and I think that's just fucking beautiful. That's, that's just that's great. So yes, there you go. I'm very pleased by that development. Good job, man. Downunder.

Jessamyn 18:37 Hey. I like I like Man Down Under because it just immediately you know, puts a song into my a song into my heart.

Cortex 18:52 About how women low in men gender. Can you feel Yeah, hear the thunder? Yes. Is the thunder in this song. What comes after the lightning in the Imagine Dragons song?

Jessamyn 19:07 You better take cover? No, but I do like hearing you say the name of that band.

Cortex 19:13 Oh, Imagine Dragons.

Jessamyn 19:15 Imagine Dragons. It fucking rhymes. Josh.

Cortex 19:19 That's a slam. That's

Jessamyn 19:20 why the band is called that. That rhymes with Dragon.

Cortex 19:25 I feel like I gotta say, like, not that it's necessarily No, no. I'm gonna say like, I feel like Imagine Dragons is a band that is trying to have a lot of like, sort of like, maybe not a good spot. Exactly. But like, there's some swagger there. It seems like they've got like a real sort of swagger attitude. And I feel like naming your band something because it rhymes is not a very swagger II thing to do. Like it doesn't like, I don't know. And maybe maybe the ultimate swagger is doing things that don't seem Swagger UI, because that proves that you really have the true swagger but I don't know I find Imagine Dragons see I can see it if I try. If that's the rationale, I'm kinda like, huh I don't know. It's like finding out that like that savage crew was named that because like 10 feet

Jessamyn 20:12 ahead swagger you don't think oh and go Blanco had swagger

Cortex 20:16 well yeah but I don't think Chumbawamba

Jessamyn 20:19 was the swagger yes band of all time. scritti Politti

Cortex 20:22 I guess let me put it that way. I feel like if you're trying to be swagger and you put the word dragons in your name,

Jessamyn 20:28 quiet riot. I have Googled this as you can probably tell Sure, sure. No,

Cortex 20:31 I'm not saying that. There's no like swagger bands that have rhyming names. I just I don't know I would you say their Swagger UI? I wouldn't say that seems like anyway, dragons is how you pronounce it

Jessamyn 20:57 Apple shirts.

Cortex 21:00 I was trying to come up with one and not keep going off on this but you're on it. So go

Jessamyn 21:03 EVO set. Also a librarian also made a project called Toronto Film map mapping out all the films and TV shows set not just filmed in Toronto, to highlight the amazing lending and archival collections of the University of Toronto Media Commons. This thing has everything. Basically, titles had to be full length feature films or TV shows set in Toronto set and filmed in Toronto. And then it links actually into the catalog so that you can see the actual thing itself if you want to. I love this project. That's nice. And if you look at it, it is also beautiful. Also, there's a ton of atom Egoyan as Avocet mentions which of course is great because I it's been a while since I've watched Adam ago in films and they are good. And it uses GIS and everything about this is lovely. And Avocet was the project lead. Nice work.

Cortex 22:10 That's excellent. Yeah. I like this little project that my friend Vendee put together she has been Skorton friend. Yes, yes, swagger in my new extremely swag re band is called friendly bendy.

One of my favorite gigs from like, one of the Star Wars, rejiggering comedy things I've talked about in previous podcasts is a character in the sea Threepio character proposing that his name be best friend doe. And I just think the best friend on a regular basis and just like or maybe it was friend Batsto. I think his best friend anyway, something like that. It was good. This thing I dearly remember it and can't remember what it is, again, with a memory thing. Anyway, Ben, he's been scraping together list of stuff that came up in threads. And that's great. Like we've been talking about that on meta talk, too. I want to say a couple months ago, someone that was talking about related ideas. And she's talking about the idea of trying to put together something to automate it a little bit more. So yeah. And so fun meta content on projects.

Jessamyn 23:19 So this is not from asked me this is from, like Mega posts on mi Fi is also the one who goes into some of the asked me threads and it's like, Hey, I made a YouTube playlist of the answers to your question.

Cortex 23:34 I don't know. I don't remember. And he might be she might, she might be one of the I feel like David that was interested in that sort of stuff. So I think she may have been trying to do some of that team. And that might have been the other meta talk discussion from a couple months ago. But anyway, it seems plausible.

Jessamyn 23:56 Yeah. Right.

Cortex 23:58 That's right. I have no flow today. I'm sorry. No, it's all right.

Jessamyn 24:04 And it's not even super early for you.

Cortex 24:06 I know. It's just It's just where it's Friday. TGIF. Am I right? Let's go get the happy hour margaritas at TGIF

Jessamyn 24:15 gusting really? Yes. I mean, I would I would drink water before I would drink a margarita. How

Cortex 24:23 do you feel about like tequila bad okay, well then that's that's cans.

Jessamyn 24:27 All right, like a weird poison taste

Cortex 24:29 well yeah, I mean that's kind of the appeal but it feels like it feels like weird poison that you found like in a nice warm climate you know it's got it's got a kind of like,

Jessamyn 24:44 don't talk to me about nice warm climates. I'm enjoying my freezing cold climate in my icicle birds.

Cortex 24:49 Well, yeah, but you can you can enjoy Margarita it's like it's cold. It's hot. Anyway, but I'm saying I don't like them and I will not I will not try to make you know, okay. Um, what else was there in there? I've not played this one yet, but I'm curious to check it out. There's a project post from Miss Jenny and we talked about a previous thing along the same lines. She

Jessamyn 25:13 always makes good stuff. consistently positive project creator.

Cortex 25:23 But yeah, so like it's a new educational game and it looks like he got a post on Metafilter and it's probably worth a poke because I enjoyed the previous one about inevitably killing every cat, which is talking about maybe not the framing device Exactly. But they were getting bored.

Jessamyn 25:37 All right, I like blipped out for like five seconds and

Cortex 25:41 find that there's a previous project post for Miss Jenny. Yeah. And so I'm not sure if this one is going to involve things dying the way that one did. Yeah, that sounds like maybe Josh Well, yeah, but the other one was also about money. So

Jessamyn 25:57 capitalism is the death of everything. Capitalism.

Cortex 26:03 Anyway, that looks interesting. Maybe check that out. You got any other projects? No, I

Jessamyn 26:08 mean, you know,

Cortex 26:09 there's more stuff. There's like the Brexit Brexit Twitter thing from Garius that is probably fantastic. But I don't I'm not in enough on Brexit Twitter to be able to know if I even personally enough

Jessamyn 26:18 to know I probably wouldn't like it

Cortex 26:21 but uh, but yeah, there's there's more stuff there's fears racing go look, go to projects. This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna say every time we get done talking about a sexual state, hey, you know what, this is a section of the site they exist. We've established that by implication but let me explicate it exists. Go post up I like it when people post this stuff. They're working on a project you should be that person or you should go look at other people's stuff and check it out because other people are making stuff. There you go. This is my yearly Jimbo Wales pitch to engage. Yeah, I don't know how that works

Jessamyn 26:52 him Jimbo.

Cortex 26:55 By the internet. I thought that was super established lineage. Jimbo.

Jessamyn 26:59 I always think of him as Jimmy Wales.

Cortex 27:02 Wikipedia username is Jimbo Wales.

Jessamyn 27:04 Right but his human name? Well, yeah,

Cortex 27:07 but he's, I don't know. I figure if it's his username on his site. i It's unremarkable to call them Jimbo.

Jessamyn 27:15 Yeah, no, I just Well, I only remarked on it not to ever let's move on.

Cortex 27:57 Feeling it's been a long month. Yes. Just sort of feeling that. Plus like last time we I had that sore throat and we did the really surprisingly short running plug. I think we kept it in a few minutes total. Yeah. And so I feel like we've the well has overfilled a bit perhaps in the interim. Right? Yeah, metal filter. There was stuff on metal filter. Let's talk about metal filter stuff. Sure. chessmen.

Jessamyn 28:24 One of the things I found on metal filter was a thing that I found only because somebody started saving old tweets of mine. And I had to ask somebody who was fading old tweets of mine why they were fading old tweets of mine and like really old like last year, not like whoa, last week, and it turned out that the old tweets of mine had been about Max for cat that wants to come into the library. Now there's a new story about cats that want to get into an art museum in Japan, who then became online celebrities because people find this kind of stuff hilarious. Johnny wallflower who I think is the person you would think to be posting about, you know, great cat and dog. He's a cat and dog guy. Pet. I don't remember at any rate, made a cute little post about it and you know, it's one of those like 5051 Comment 53 favorites. And the first comment is Puffin boffin saying let them in, which was the chance for Max the cat who wanted to be in the library who couldn't be in the library because allergies but if you go to the Twitter thread for these adorable cats, one of whom is orange striped and one of whom is black. It's nothing but kind of Japanese text that I don't want to translate and cats looking frickin adorable. So nice. Enjoyed it. Yeah, cats in front of cherry blah awesomes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Cortex 30:04 See there? What was I just looking at? There is an interview that was posed by doctors, Ed Metafilter, an interview with Olivia James is synonymous author of Nancy, the comic strip as of spring of this year, which did talk about that we probably talked about that at the time a little bit, because I was really enjoying it.

Jessamyn 30:28 Because you're really into it. And it's continued to be pretty good. I mean, I think I mean, when I see Nancy link to other things, I'm like, oh, it's still, you know, yeah, it's

Cortex 30:38 like, I think it's like, consistently solid and fun, like on a day to day basis, like it's doing well, for a comic strip. In that sense. Not everyone is like a banger. But like, you know, they're solidly this feels like a good thru line. I'm enjoying the work she's doing. And then like, I would say every, like week or two, there's something just really fucking fantastic in there. So yeah, it's been good Bay, it was the this was like a nice interview with the author and sort of talk some about the weirdness of this situation where she's like, operating on this legacy strip taking over from someone who had a very different aesthetic and the experience of like,

Jessamyn 31:18 super into it, but I'm sure some people are not and et cetera, et cetera.

Cortex 31:22 Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, like the people who really liked the previous run, are generally just not happy at all with the current one, because they kind of liked the soft focus. Hey, at first he's got great big boobs and Nancy's a sweet little doll. And you know, how can you change this legacy? Like goes

Jessamyn 31:39 a boy? Very, very boyish boy. Yeah.

Cortex 31:43 And James is basically doing like, a bush military and version of it like in, in sort of, like the vibe of the actual original comic strip instead of like, the weird third generation version. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, again, probably covered that before. But I enjoyed the interview a great deal, it was a lot of fun to read, it feels like very much in the character of the person who is writing this comic strip. So it's, it's a nice read.

Jessamyn 32:10 While we're talking about, you know, things that are kind of right up our alley, I have to point to this post by cynical pinnacle. Let's talk about themes, shall we?

Cortex 32:21 That's a swagger username,

Jessamyn 32:22 yes. cynical, cynical about the annual brains bronze and library logistics, an elite squad of 12 Professional New York books orders will compete with their counterparts from Washington State's King County Library System to see who can process the most books in an hour. And it is really fun, because like, the post actually sets up the kind of sort of like, one off Atlas Obscura, like, lots of big pictures. It makes it I mean, because, you know, these jobs are like, these are like, you know, tech services, jobs. They're not very glamorous jobs, you know, like you work in a basement, and you're mostly doing a lot of kind of repetitive, almost like assembly line work. And so I really enjoyed. And this is all like dealing with book returns right here, like a huge library system, people return their books, and you've got to get them in the door and where they're going fast. And that's what this is, it's a contest. And, you know, the thread itself was kind of interesting, because, of course, somebody shows, you know, I have strong feels about this sort of topic, but then there's kind of a early comment, let me see where it is. You know, I can't help but think all this effort and machinery wouldn't be necessary if we could abolish copyright and subsidized e readers. Which, you know, is simultaneously accurate, and also ridiculous, and, you know, sets all of my like, you know, range of meters to 11. And so I was very proud of myself that I had feedback for that comment that was actually appropriate, and not by my initial feeling, because the thread was good. And the point by that user is correct. As far as it goes, it's just the world is a lot more complicated. People think

Cortex 34:25 it's as easy as just establishing a revolutionary Neri techno utopia that dispenses with capitalism in its entirety. We just people

Jessamyn 34:33 who want to read paper books, go die. Yeah, go die. Go die. So yeah, but yeah, I love the I love the post. And it was just a tiny lively little thread that also had a little bumpy part that got my B fuzz rankled. And then it worked out. This. Jim and I have lots of different ways of politely telling the other person that they should be pissed off. Yeah. Or saying that you're pissed off without having to be like you're making me angry. If one of them is you know, getting your be fuzzle jangly.

Cortex 35:11 That's, that's a good turn of phrase I enjoyed. In other things I enjoyed. See that? That's, that's a great, that's pretty good. That's good. It's precise and roll with it. Yeah, I know. There's up there, as opposed to oh, Henry pays me to post a few weeks ago now about the World Chess Championship starting. And it has proceeded over the last several weeks. And I think it's over over now. And it was a whole bunch of let's that's probably information in the post somewhere. I just been reading the comments. So like, it doesn't matter. I just hear updates of them. Basically, there was a whole lot of drawers. And I guess this is maybe kind of the perception of modern jazz is that like, yeah, it's really easy, but he's just kind of Yeah, everybody's good. And the book has gotten so big, like, it used to be like, Yo, you studied chess by like, looking at old matches, and sort of reading the records of previous tournaments and like studying and trying to find something. Now everybody's got computers. And so you can do your book work like really, really extensively and there's pretty good computer models, you know, you may have heard about them winning championships sometimes. So, or not championships, but like beating chess masters. Anyway, the the thing is, like, it sounds like maybe things tend to draw a lot but but what I really want to say here is like I don't follow chess, I don't follow chess at all. Like, it's just, I was I never got good at it never really got into it. So like I appreciate it. Yeah, so writing filter. Yeah, reading a medical thread of people who enjoy chess, sort of watching it like a sports game, as it goes along. And sort of chatting about it day to day was actually really enjoyable. Like that was a level I could get it. Like, there's details I'm not going to follow but watching people sort of like kibitz about it, like over the period of the tournament was a lot of fun. So if you want some of that to go check out that thread. That's my take.

Jessamyn 37:08 Go do it. Here's another painter, one post that I really liked, just because it's totally up my alley. And it's pretty self explanatory. W city, Mike did a post about the University Art Institute of Chicago, which put a ton of digital images of public domain artworks onto the website, which is one thing. And then the next thing about it is these are high def images. A lot of times you'll find places that will let you kind of download kind of a shitty JPEG of something, but they won't really let you get at the the kind of better versions of it but these are basically high definition images with a magnification tool and a CCO you know, Creative Commons zero public domain license on them. And there's just a bunch of stuff.

Cortex 37:54 So it's cool. Nice. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, you gotta mess around with that.

Jessamyn 37:59 And then I also wanted to mention another kind of slightly up my alley. This was by Zepto weasel, which is a great username. And you know user who's been around since what 2011 A one Zepto Weasel is 10 to the negative 21. weasels, just FYI. And it's basically something about letter locking, which is you know how to kind of take a letter and fold it in a special way with certain cuts and slips so that the letter you know, kind of closes itself and it's a very short post about an Atlas Obscura, you know, with an Atlas Obscura article. And there are five comments. And there are 100 favorites. Yeah, that's very good. I haven't seen a ratio of comments to favorites like that on something I was already reading in quite some time.

Cortex 38:56 Yeah, I guess like I was just thinking about the Twitter concept of being ratioed. Which do you know that

Jessamyn 39:03 I'm like, Yes. i If I read it in the comments, I would know what it means but for

Cortex 39:09 the listeners I'll explain to you already know. For me please get the joke it's like seems like because anyway,

Jessamyn 39:19 I'm also a listener.

Cortex 39:21 Okay, whatever.

Jessamyn 39:24 This podcast No, I

Cortex 39:25 Okay, well, fine. It comes around nicely then very, very well, very well. I will to get ratioed So Twitter has if someone tweets something you can reply to it. You can retweet it to just rebroadcast it to people I don't know why I'm explaining Twitter but anyway. Or you could favorite your star it used to be hard now you star it. It's

Jessamyn 39:46 no it used to be star now. You heard it.

Cortex 39:49 Oh, is that what it was? I can't I can't remember. Yeah, I guess Okay, yeah.

Jessamyn 39:53 We have to pick it love everything. And let me tell you why. Yeah, actually use a Uh, like a Greasemonkey script so that I still see the stars, which was why I you know, I paused briefly before this all went off. But um, yeah, hearts.

Cortex 40:10 Yeah. Anyway, so you can go in, you can like it, you can feed it essentially whatever. And to get ratioed on Twitter is to have way more replies than hearts basically,

Jessamyn 40:23 implications the meaning people have a lot to say often you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, but not a lot of

Cortex 40:30 likes. Yeah, a whole lot of people have something to say they don't like and not a whole lot of people like it, that's a bad ratio, you got ratioed, that it's generally I think people, like the replies to a comment, or Tweet tweet will often involve people pointing out how bad the ratio is, etc. And we don't really have that concept on meta filter. We have the positive concept of like a high ratio of favorites to something that we've talked about a number times before and talked about. And it's, it just sort of suggests there is something about that post that like people dig, even if they don't have anything to say about it. And it's a neat thing. Like it's it is an entirely positive thing.

Jessamyn 41:06 Right, that a lot of favorites is good. But also a lot of comments is good in its own way. Although, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times a minute filter, even if there's a post that I think a lot of people might consider to be a bad post, you know, this is bad, you should feel bad for making it kind of thing. A lot of people will also favorite that thread, just to kind of keep an eye on it or you know, rage vaping or I don't know what the thing is. So the ratio thing doesn't really play out in this. Yeah,

Cortex 41:34 yeah. And to to understand the fact that we don't have Well, first of all, the fact that like a post on the front page isn't someone like stating their position, generally speaking, and also the fact that we don't expose like negative feedback mechanisms. Like if legs by design, exactly. Because we did a smart thing, Jack. I'm sure he listens. Yeah, anyway, that's just a straight out about ratios. Here's a post that I really liked, because I don't think anybody likes it. I really appreciate his making it because I think that was the like, expensive introduction. So phys makes a lot of great posts. And then he made this and I came across it because he actually had, he had tweeted about getting as close as he's ever been to being banned for Metafilter for making this post, which is a joke like it's just him goofing because like, I love this post is a wonderful contributor. And it's also it's so bad. It's terrible. It's just a collection of like hours long videos of eating sounds which love it for everybody who doesn't like that. They're already like, oh god, why,

Jessamyn 42:41 here's, here's a question. Do you have the eating sound problem?

Cortex 42:45 I don't particularly know I can listen to you and be like, Well, why am I listen to this, but not like, oh, but you're not like you'd loudly.

Jessamyn 42:52 I definitely eat loudly drink loudly, I'm a sleeper. And I'm real. And it's weird because I have a whole bunch of like, other shit. I don't like to hear. You know what I mean? Like, like weird, like water dripping or like a TV in another room or something. Like there's a lot of noises that I really don't like. And yet none of the food noises have ever been a thing for me. And so I'm always fascinated. And also like the MSR stuff. Yeah, I don't get it. Like it does nothing for me. I just find it a little aggravating because I can't hear very well. You know, like if somebody's whispering they're talking more quietly and and they're harder to hear. I'm gonna just watch grilled cheese for about 30 seconds here. Ya

Cortex 43:31 know, it's the sort of thing you get away with having American there's no narrative sorry.

Jessamyn 43:33 No, I'm watching a fucking CNN ad first.

Cortex 43:39 It's the chewing news

Jessamyn 43:39 now. I'm watching a Google ad. How did this happen to YouTube?

Cortex 43:44 They want money here we

Jessamyn 43:45 go. Oh my God. Look at this.

Cortex 43:50 Yeah, no, I this is

Jessamyn 43:52 a guy with a beard.

Cortex 43:54 I think it depends on the video. Some of them are you suddenly on board with this? Like yeah, okay, give me that hirsute.

Jessamyn 44:03 I am I'm gonna totally watch this guy eat grilled cheese for a while. You go on talk about as Metafilter I don't think he dipped it in Manet's rage. Josh.

Cortex 44:14 Hey, I take no responsibility for the content that is this.

Jessamyn 44:20 Wow, I was surprised at how quickly that became. I don't give a shit to like you. I'll be in my bunk. That was great. All right. So yeah, that's very funny.

Cortex 44:33 So yes, good. Bad job is you really nailed it in so many senses. I don't know. Good. bad

Jessamyn 44:39 job. Yeah, that MSR stuff with the people whispering I just Yeah, yeah, I

Cortex 44:43 don't get it either. I find it just like it's a phenomenon. Yeah, no, yeah. It's like it's like whatever. But yeah, it does. It does nothing for me. And it so it just seems a little weird to me. But hey, a lot of stuff is weird. So it's by far not the weirdest another post. That is On my to read list, but Oh, God seems like it was getting a whole lot of good discussion and whatnot is this post by wonderful of New York Times article called puberty for the middle aged. And it's interesting, like the article I think is fine, but like it'd be about

Jessamyn 45:17 transgender women, like people who transitioned later in life. Yeah,

Cortex 45:23 not specifically, it's actually more about like menopausal and pre menopausal women in general. But you there are some comments from some of our members who have transitioned or are transitioning, talking about like, oh, well, actually, yeah, that's, that's kind of a thing I didn't totally get either. But yeah, it's just generally talking about those various biological phenomena and the fact that they don't get talked about

Jessamyn 45:45 what I've heard about puberty for the middle age, it's almost entirely in transgender context. Yeah. Well, either puberty for the middle aged and this New York Times article. No. Okay. Okay. Good, good, good.

Cortex 46:00 But anyway, yes, hormone changes, body changes, all the shit that just doesn't get talked about. And so there's like, you know, 100 comments or something, this thread of folks talking about it, like, mostly women from the medical community talking about like, oh, yeah, here's my experience with it, or holy shit. I didn't get that. That was what was maybe going on. And yeah, it's weird that people don't talk about this, Hey, let's talk about it a bunch.

Jessamyn 46:21 I have a young female doctor who I believe is maybe not the awesomest person for me to go to as a 50 year old lady, you know, because like, I'm like, Well, I'm trying to deal with this thing that's changing or whatever. And she's just, like, adds nothing. And like, maybe she's right. But I kind of also feel it because she's like a young lady doctor. And like, she's a young lady nurse that maybe she just doesn't know enough. Older women. Like I don't know. I'm super curious. So I'll read through this thread later, actually, because that's, it's relevant to my age. Cohort interests.

Cortex 46:58 Yeah. And it spawned there's an AskMe Metafilter that someone started basically in prompted by that as well. So that's

Jessamyn 47:03 I think I saw the AskMe meta filters read and did not see the metal filter thread that it came from.

Cortex 47:09 Yeah. Another thing I like just a nice little thing is this

Jessamyn 47:14 over metal filter and taking notes this time, you know, I've

Cortex 47:18 really been trying to make more of an effort of like, leaving a little comment or tossing a favorite on something that I enjoy because like, I really want to remind myself that like even though my recent activity the first page is always just a mile of bullshit that I don't like about the world. I really do like lots of stuff on the internet. I really like spending time

Jessamyn 47:34 with you. I'm just happy that it's been a place I feel

Cortex 47:38 like I've been successful at it a little bit this month so that's nice. Yes, this post by atomise about puzzle montage art by a guy named Tim Klein comes down to

Jessamyn 47:47 you or somebody else tweeting about this or maybe it wound up on

Cortex 47:51 I think it made the rounds a little bit I think it made the it might have showed up a mile Chuck Yeah, basically the guy that Portland

Jessamyn 47:56 thing of course it's a Portland

Cortex 47:57 I didn't know it's a Portland thing. That's nice. Maybe I can go to the

Jessamyn 48:01 prepared debuted at the splendour Boreum gallery in Portland as part of a circus themed group show

Cortex 48:08 I do not know that gallery gallery so it's not surprising but anyway, it's it's the concept is this when someone manufactures puzzles, they cut out all those pieces and their process for cutting out those pieces is probably not even cuts. Yes, yeah, exactly the like they're going to have a mechanized process for it, which means different puzzles are going to use the same die cut. Which means if you take a couple of assembled puzzles from that same die cut, and put part of the puzzle together with part of the other puzzle to fill in the negative space, you can create these weird hybrid montage images and they are Yeah, it's really good. Like I really liked this stuff. Definitely go take a look at them because they're really really fun. It's just such a great idea. It's like it's one of those like one of those as soon as you see somebody's like oh shit, yeah, of course. But like you know, you wouldn't have thought of it until you thought of it so

Jessamyn 48:59 right the one church and the you know, circus play right or whatever. Yeah, very, very

Cortex 49:04 good galloping horse the body of which is a locomotive engine.

Jessamyn 49:08 Oh, that may have been the one that I saw that I

Cortex 49:11 feel like that was like the lead image that was going around maybe maybe I also really like and have not watched yet but I'm completely going to watch this Shrek retold thing that bigger JJ has posted about last night. People have done this a number of times before in the post actually rounds up a bunch of these, which is teams of animators get together not even necessarily like professional animators, but just anybody who wants to do a chunk. They'll take a film. Oh, we'll get like this.

Jessamyn 49:40 Outside of my everything,

Cortex 49:42 Seattle, I love it for kind of the same reason that Secretary Knight did not sit down and watch it last night which is that it's like such an overwhelming disarming as like, as like, what should we watch? And I was like, well, there's this thing and maybe we shouldn't and she's like, Yeah, just because like it's dizzying because you're watching Animation cutting every like 15 seconds or so something like that a different animator takes over just some discrete chunk of a film and like you know, 100 or 200 of these short sequences get compiled together from this huge team of people into one long dizzying, constantly shifting, reanimation re rendering of the film, usually keeping the original soundtrack underneath it. They just premiered last night Shrek retold which is doing that with Shrek and I can't think of a better better version like a better film to like just completely aesthetically annihilate then like why not Shrek? Sure. And I also really liked the the very slightly subtle title on the post, which was I was at one point and formed by a person which is a paraphrase of somebody once told me that the role means

Jessamyn 50:52 wondering, because I was gonna say take a puzzle piece of my heart baby or whatever it was take another puzzle piece of my art. That's really an inspired title.

Cortex 51:01 That's a good title. Yeah, yeah.

I think that's me. That's me for medical term you want to do good. I

Jessamyn 51:34 don't have as many metal filter things. I have a bunch of AskMe Metafilter. Thanks,

Cortex 51:37 Liam Ami.

Jessamyn 51:39 I don't know if I should start. I'll start with this one. Because it's, you know, one of those questions I never had. But as soon as I saw somebody asking it, I was curious about the answer. Also, I think there should be more answers to this. I am a gay man in New York City. And I would like to begin selling my used underwear to other men to make some extra money. What are the best places and ways to do this? So there's, I think, one answer that, like, seems to maybe know about this. Um, I don't know if any of these answers are people who necessarily know how to do the stuff somebody was like, This is how to this is how to Google other person's like, make sure you stay safe kind of thing. And which is kind of one of those types of answers we were talking about at that meta talk thread. Like, is this an answer? Like I, but I am curious about this. And so now I would like to know more about if I wanted, like, and I don't want to but other people might want to etcetera? Like, I'd be interested. Yeah.

Well, and then we can move on to what is the weirdest, most obscure national organization that you know of? So this is Ms. Vegetable. Who basically is having a contest among debate coaches, which is in and of itself, like what serious, trying to figure out if there are weirder groups than the National Association of parliamentarians. And so there is a long thread of people talking about obscure, interesting national organizations. They have to be national, it has to be something she could join this week, and something that will give some kind of proof that she has joined. Yeah, so snail, farmers, telegraph pole Appreciation Society, the International double reed society, the half Norwegian on the mother's side, American Bar Association group, like it just it's just a fun, excellent thread. And I appreciated the ask and I enjoyed reading along with it. And I added my suggestion, which was the extra milers Club, which are the people that tried to go to every county in the United States there's 3000 of them pose excellent it's super hard but you know, maybe you need something to take your whole life up with and so

Cortex 54:25 could you give me gives you a direction this is this is a good this is a good pile of weird societies

Jessamyn 54:31 don't you think? I think so.

Cortex 54:36 Yes, I do. I stand

Jessamyn 54:39 all right. I'm just gonna keep going through my list keep going. And this was one I

Cortex 54:44 like some sort of wall there's

Jessamyn 54:48 your tea ran out. This is relevant to my interests. testament to Grace asks about if the fruit from Harry and David they're Oregon based Fruit box company isn't really that much more amazing. Or if I get like good fruit at my decent grocery store am I going to get close? And it's interesting, actually, because I grew up, you know, once, like, when I was a kid, my father would always, like, get some for us for like Valentine's Day, like little little box of chocolates or whatever, when I was a little kid, and then I, you know, hit teenager dumb, and I was like, Man, I don't want chocolate like man. And my father was like, we're okay. And we started getting boxes of fruit from Harry and David, and it was kind of erratic, but, you know, would often happen. And to be honest, I always like simultaneously, like, kinda liked it, and kind of hated it, right? Because like, I'm a single lady, and like, I see my boyfriend every other weekend, more or less. And if you wind up with like, six, or maybe 12, perfectly ripe pears, like, what do you do, right, you have to have a pear party within 48 hours, basically, or you wind up with a pile of weird, sketchy rotting, expensive fruit. And, you know, people in the thread kind of talk about, like, you know, the pears are really amazing. But a lot of the other stuff, they you know, they look good in the box. It's supposed to be, you know, a sign of kind of, well, it's expensive, it's fancy, here's the brand of pear or the type of pair that they sell so that you can know, you know how to find this pair. And then clue shows up about how Harry and David was eviscerated and nearly destroyed by private capital in the last decade, which is interesting, because I have been receiving area and David's stuff since I was little. So I'm like, Oh, interesting. And they talk about how Harry and David works. So yeah, I just I learned a lot from the thread and it kind of just added a little bit of factual information to a thing I'd always known a little bit about.

Cortex 57:05 Yeah, yeah, I've always been like just vaguely aware of the the brand I did see that one comment in there from Admiral haddock because,

Jessamyn 57:13 oh, that's why I favorited it so yeah, you go you go read it.

Cortex 57:18 Yes. It's like, should I just recite the comments? I think you should. Okay, so this is the questions is Harry and David really more amazing. And Admiral haddock writes, not my experience. I mean, it's better than a&p. But if you have a reasonable grocery or better yet a farmers market, you can get comparable product produce at a fraction of the cost, and you can calibrate your purchase to your needs. When Harry and David shipments arrive, you get five pounds of bosc pears at the same peak freshness that needs to be eaten immediately. It's not like they give you two very right pairs, two somewhat right pairs to eat and three days and two pairs eat next week. It's six very expensive pairs all at once. And you have to quit your job because your new life is eating pairs all the damn time. I keep having this fight with my mother in law's, who I think came of age when you couldn't get a good pair somewhere down the street. So they want to spend $75 on six very ripe pears that assail us, by us. $10 A pair of Whole Foods and then don't eat the rest. For God's sake. I'm a busy man. I can't just spend all day eating mammals. Everybody cares all day. It's just a it's a nice ranty response.

Jessamyn 58:14 That is adorable. I love it. Well, and then I click through because I'm fairly certain I have met Arbo Hajduk. Yeah, a contact that I have met. And I clicked through his Twitter to be like, Oh, alright, she's Flickr to be like, Oh, I don't know if I've seen his Flickr. Maybe we should be friends on Flickr. I saw basically a picture of Jim giving the finger because he's he's a Boston area. mefite And so yes, it was kind of adorable. Watching that happened. But yes, such pairs.

Cortex 58:45 Yes. Yeah, no, I was never on the train at all. So I like a good pair. Bears. Nice. Mike has spent $75 in pairs.

Jessamyn 58:51 Yeah, no, never. I never would but I enjoy a tasty pair. But not like I might pay like $5 for a box with one perfect pair. But I would never pay you know $40 For a box with six of them. Eight of them whatever. You know what I mean?

Cortex 59:09 Yeah, exactly. I thought this was an interesting asked me there's an anonymous ask me basically, gosh, how do I deal with this situation where a family member like killed someone like there was like drugs, there's a fight they do straight up killed someone. How do I deal with this? Which is like shit, how do you deal with that? And and there's,

Jessamyn 59:35 you saw that I commented in that thread, right. I did not actually happen to me.

Cortex 59:38 I did not. Oh, no, I did see that. I can see that's right.

Jessamyn 59:42 I mean, it hasn't happened to me. Obviously. This was the thing that happened in a in my extended my direct family.

Cortex 59:48 You've you've dealt with that situation.

Jessamyn 59:52 Yeah, well, and it's really more complicated than you might think. Just because depending on On this situation, you might know the person who was killed, there might be legal shit that you have to deal with that keeps you from saying some of the stuff you might want to say, or talking about stuff with people you might want to talk to about it. Like it's messy. And there were a lot of other people who had good information. Jane, the Brown had a great, a great comment and kind of a, you know, bad situation that she was involved in. And yeah, that thread was Yeah, interesting. eye opening and difficult. Yeah. Well, and that actually ties in with a thread that I thought was interesting, and also a little difficult. And, you know, kind of the good and bad of AskMe Metafilter was, Mr. Roboto has a wife who is due any day now. And they're worried a little bit that like, hey, you know, having having a baby means that you may be in some pretty serious pain. I'm concerned about seeing my wife and pain and how I'm going to react to that how at but I want to be supportive. So I'm trying to think about it, how did you deal with it? And so the threads Fascinating, right? Because you know, a little bit, it's like, get a doula a little bit. It's like, ah, the pain is not that bad. And then a little bit is like, actually, you know, you can have cramps that will break your coccyx in half. So. And, you know, I don't, I'm not a parent, I have not had children. It was interesting for me to read this. And especially for the people who are supportive of the people who are having children. It's a different. I mean, it's a lot like that kind of, you know, your family member did the worst thing, except that it's like, our family is going to experience the best thing, but we're going to have to go through one of the worst things to get there. How did you deal? Yeah, what can I What can I do to get prepared, and I really felt like it was one of those situations where even the people who had different experiences, right, have useful, you know, it could be this kind of bad, it could be this kind of good. Day, my auntie had a really good like, hey, let's talk about the difference between pain, like something that physically hurts or whatever. And suffering, like I'm feeling upset, I'm feeling unsupported. I'm feeling whatever, you may not be able to deal with the pain, but you can really deal with the suffering, etc. I just thought it was a fascinating thread.

Cortex 1:02:22 Yeah. And that point, you make about like different people having differing experiences, but still like that being useful. I think that's, that seems like a really valuable thing in this kind of like, how do I deal with this thing? I'm worried about context, where, you know, it's nice to be able to say, Okay, well, you know, don't worry about it won't be so bad. But you know, sometimes things are bad. Sometimes they aren't. And hearing, I feel like there's a lot of value in hearing a variety of experiences, even if like they cover the gamut from blood, I sure hope it's that easy to Boy, that's exactly as bad as I thought it would. Because you have a mental model for dealing with different outcomes when? Right, right, right, right. Huge is happening, like you can actually, you've sort of processed the possibility that's gonna go a lot of different ways instead

Jessamyn 1:03:03 of being surprised by it. Exactly. Well, and I think this comes back to kind of the long discussion that's happening in meta talk right now, about like, how much is saying, This is my experience. But if it's couched in, like, this is my experience and my experiences normative? Different, you know what I mean? Because I feel like sometimes being like, look, labor isn't that bad, is really asserting something about the process of childbirth, as opposed to well, let me tell you what happened to me when we had our children. Yeah, you know, and I feel like the first one can be dismissive of other people's lived experience. And the second one is more, hey, I'm chiming in to give advice. And for some people, I think they're not even aware that they're doing the former, when they think they're doing the latter. Yeah, that they think they're just talking about their experience, but it feels like they're making sort of a definitive statement about how the world should be processed. So it's interesting, because I feel like some people are very sensitive to that, like seeing it. And other people just don't understand. It's not a distinction with a difference for them. And this was a thread that had a little bit of that in it.

Cortex 1:04:10 Yeah. I saw so I feel like I thought I was gonna mention this last month, and maybe the timing was just right. So Flickr made their announcement that they're getting

Jessamyn 1:04:21 being fucking weird again.

Cortex 1:04:23 Yeah. And that's, you know, they SmugMug owns them now. So it's partly SmugMug saying, Okay, we acquired this thing now, how the hell are we gonna keep it profitable? And well, and realistically,

Jessamyn 1:04:32 Flickr had really been, I think, kind of magnanimous in how they were dealing with user accounts in a way that didn't make long term sustainable Well, I just have to kind of stop the bleeding and SmugMug

Cortex 1:04:46 of saying hey, we're not Yahoo, we don't have Yahoo's somehow still resources. So we're gonna like the short version if you have not heard, which is that they're gonna make it so that free accounts no longer have just arbitrarily terabyte sized storage, which will get 1000. So you've got your 1000 most recent pictures are what you get. But they're also saying, and I don't know if they've backpedaled on this at all, but like, the other pictures in your account, they don't just, like get hidden. They're gonna delete them. They're gonna

Jessamyn 1:05:19 start deleting them in January, which I think is the weirdest dicussed move. Yeah. Partly because it's so confusing. Cold Storage don't understand it. Well, and there's also a very weird caveat, which is any photo of yours that was uploaded with a Creative Commons license, like prior to November 1, which was technically before they made this announcement is grandfathered. So if you have 10,000 photos, and they're all creative commons, you're fine. But here's my question. If you have 8000, Creative Commons photos, and 2000 not creative commons photos, what happens? Yeah, 1000 pictures. Yeah, super unclear and fucking irritating to me.

Cortex 1:06:05 super weird. And

Jessamyn 1:06:08 like, I'm not going anywhere else. I just have to figure it out. And you know, and deal with my parents to accounts which I've just, you know, kind of kept all the pictures there. Because why not? And yet, well, yep. Now I have to think about it. Yeah, somebody do. My mother's got like 18,000 photos, I think online, and like 17,000 and a half are all creative commons. So I have to find the ones that aren't. So I can figure out if I need to download them or something. Yeah, at any rate, it's weird.

Cortex 1:06:39 It's a weird fucking situation. There's a whole metal filter thread about it. That is probably linked in this ask me if you want to go read up on it,

Jessamyn 1:06:47 but doesn't really have support? You know, they've got kind of a support forum. Like I specifically asked this question and just never really got an answer. Yeah.

Cortex 1:06:57 Yeah, it seems it was obvious from context. I mean, Twitter also doesn't? Actually. Yes, so one of the outcomes of this is you may want to try and download your stuff off of Flickr before it gets deleted. In which case, here's an AskMe, edit filter thread that is asking how to do that. And some people providing some context, although not as much as you would hope on like, how to how to do it, because it sounds like it's kind of futzing doesn't necessarily work. So good luck, everybody, I guess. get you started? Oh, yeah. I got like 4000 photos. So I gotta decide what I'm gonna do. I use Flickr much these days. And I kind of don't mind the idea of getting back to using it. But I'm also this is like, the worst possible vision, hey, you should start paying us money and start using us again. Because

Jessamyn 1:07:45 right at the end of the day, at the end of the year, like the number of people who are like, Oh, we should totally, you know, we should totally do this. Like January one, that's a good deadline. And it's like, no, it's the worst deadline.

Cortex 1:08:00 Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe they're trying to scare everybody, but they're gonna slow roll and like, they'll start on January 1, they'll start deleting those folders, starting with the oldest photo and then like, in February, they'll delete the second oldest photo, and then like, you know, sometime mid year, they'll start actually got I don't know.

Jessamyn 1:08:16 And I did read some of the Help forums, where they talked about this. And one of the points that they made is that these changes actually affect roughly 3% of their users, like 3% of their users have more like aren't paying and have more than whatever that number of Yeah, pictures is. So it really doesn't affect that many people kind of it's just those are, I mean, it's like metal filter, right? Like, but the people that effects are the super fans and the super users. So

Cortex 1:08:51 I kind of wonder how much of that footprint comes down to like the top 10 users of free accounts with lots of stuff, because another argument is like, why don't you just knock those off? What do you take care of like 90% of the problem? Get rid of the cost prohibitive thing? And then

Jessamyn 1:09:05 a million photos, right, because the internet of course, I

Cortex 1:09:08 would say that someone who only has some more than you're allowed rather than a million more.

Jessamyn 1:09:13 Right, the Internet Archive has an account that's got, in fact, I should check that right now.

Cortex 1:09:17 Well, I think they announced that that was gonna be okay, but I don't along with your sort of question. I don't know how all this

Jessamyn 1:09:24 stuff is okay. But the Internet Archive stuff. All right. They uploaded it with no known copyright restrictions. So they're cool. Yeah, yeah. So at any rate, and the thread was not super forthcoming. Alright, so what else you got my this is my favorite. Like this was so my favorite that I've actually been texting comments from it to other people, too, so that they can laugh at them. So and they're supposed to like it's funny. So this is Hepta who has cat allergies, and is thinking about getting a hairless cat. Talk to me about your hairless cats. experiences. And as you probably know, I basically took a picture of a, I went to a cemetery that had a Sphinx, like, gravestone or whatever, like a thing shaped like a Sphinx, and I put a picture of it up on Instagram, tagged it, Sphinx. And all these people with these little hairless cats started liking it, because they saw the tag. And there's a big hairless cat community on the internet. Hashtag Sphinx. So there's a lot of people with these cats and my favorite, my favorite comment, which I will just be basically let you know, is by someone called lon beaver. I don't know if someone called makes it sound like, I don't know that.

Cortex 1:10:43 It's plans to be known as? Yes, yes.

Jessamyn 1:10:47 Yes. So basically, I just want to read you the basic beginning of this. I have a weird gross naked cat. You know ama ama asked me anything. I don't know. What do you say that when you say that if somebody says ama do you say ama or like

Cortex 1:11:01 it will depend on the context. I will say ama for people who I know for sure will understand what ama means. Otherwise, I'll just say ask me anything. I've never heard of this AMA and I'm kind of like, experiencing that for the first time. Right AMA?

Jessamyn 1:11:13 I love him. He is certainly gross. You will be looking at the cat's butthole a lot more than with other cats. They have no further to hide them. And since ours is male, we also have to look at his little nuts all the time. This may serve to make you more aware of the extent to which all cats put their butt on thing. butts on things. Fast forward a little bit. We have banned both our cats from the bed after an embarrassing long run and my sheets are significantly less disgusting as a result. They have oil that naked skin oil all over the things I did like having him in the bed. He's like a hot water bottle made of wrinkly leather and claws. But it was so gross. Something about the structure of his toes traps cat litter more than any other cat I've known. So apparently they're disgusting and they are lovely. And the people love them. Yeah, love them. And there's no frickin pictures in this thread, which is making me crazy so Sphynx cat owners in that thread. Please add your sphinx cat pictures.

Cortex 1:12:14 You know, a sphinx cat owner that I am fond of that. Maybe this has come up on a medical term at some point like I'm most show. He's a local rapper, whose most show the cat rapper. And he had several cats including a couple of sphinxes. And he's a delightful person. He's He's like good friends with the unit Piper, who is another Portland person who rides around on a unicycle playing bagpipes. And

Jessamyn 1:12:42 you've told me about that person before? Yeah, that that person

Cortex 1:12:45 has been an internet thing too. So those two both live in town. Apparently they're friends now. And that's just that's fantastic. But anyway, Mojo has cute cats. Including some sphinx action going on there. So if you want some pictures of sphinxes in the absence of mefites posting their space cats, Girl look at mo shows.

Jessamyn 1:13:03 She lifts me up I don't feel no sorrow. I don't feel no pain. I don't feel no danger a Tama mother. I can stop snot today. Can you lend me a few dollars? For Nothing mother? Yeah, well, that's pretty much it for me. You know, Music Minute wrap ups or anything?

Cortex 1:13:49 minute one, we got some metal talks about like people dying. The worst? Yeah. So Arthur passed away earlier this month. She'd been a longtime member and friend of mine down in San Francisco and

Jessamyn 1:14:04 a friend of ours.

Cortex 1:14:07 And I got to go down and, and spend a little time with some other friends with ginger beer, her her spouse and it was nice and rough in like, exactly the way she would sort of expect that to be but it's, it's Yeah, so

Jessamyn 1:14:25 kinda. She enjoyed having your support. Yeah, it was

Cortex 1:14:29 it was it was nice to be able to like be there together. And then the other day some his dad also passed away. Suddenly from

Jessamyn 1:14:38 our Yeah, died suddenly of a heart attack. And he was basically our age. My age.

Cortex 1:14:43 Yeah, he's 51. I think it said Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:14:47 Yeah. And, and he was, I mean, I chatted with him all the time on Twitter. Johnny wallflower was one who had posted it. His mother is on Twitter if you wanted to send your regards But yeah, I mean, Shawn was one of those guys that like, didn't know that much about him never had a picture of himself and his profile photo, sometimes a little ornery on metal filter, but not too bad. But I think for a lot of us, like, I don't know if his mother did this or like whoever, somebody in his family, I assume, like deleted his whole Twitter. Oh, geez. And so it's a little hard because a lot of my conversations with him over the last like, I don't know, three or four years, moved to Twitter from email, we used to chat on metal filter mail all the time. And so it's a little bit of a bummer to be like, oh, like, I don't have his address. I don't have the conversations we have. I don't Yeah,

Cortex 1:15:39 yeah. Yeah, that's, that's a whole like, there's man, that is a weird thing, like on top of the idea of like the like Link rather than the impermanence of someone's own sort of personal archive of their existence through blogging and whatever, or whatnot. But then, like, yeah, all the ways that ties into other people and their interactions is like, that's also a knock on effect, you know, of that stuff being sort of fragile, and potentially just going away in a blink. So,

Jessamyn 1:16:11 right. I mean, like with Konami, at least I felt like we knew each other in person. We were real life friends, I real life miss her. She was a person who I interacted with. And it's almost a more straightforward kind of missing her. You know, she, she has family who I can still interact with, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And, yeah, so both complicated, both very nice minute talk threads if people didn't know, sorry, and you can go pay your respects in either one of those threads.

Cortex 1:16:43 In happier stuff, there's also a few things going on another talk worth noting the MEPhI cookie swap 2018 just been revived and somebody else took it over char is kicking it off as of a couple days ago. So making and swapping cookies with other methods get in there. That is set up by the fifth. So you got like a few days to get involved. We did it mean and Secretary that night that she may have actually really kind of done it, but I participated in the mailing and eating

Jessamyn 1:17:17 is not actually part of the cookie swap of that side. Have you received cookies yet?

Cortex 1:17:24 No, no, not not this year, but like we have previous Oh, it historically. Yes. And so I can I can endorse it. So yeah. Cookie swaps. There is

Jessamyn 1:17:33 a chatter thread if you want to chat because Hanukkah is Sunday. Like this just happened. Thanksgiving and now Chanukah, what?

Cortex 1:17:44 Yep, we're just front loading it this year. I just pasted something into Slack. And I'm good. Well,

Jessamyn 1:17:51 I'm not there. Although I do still have a lock it on the slack. And I assume you know that.

Cortex 1:17:56 Yeah, yeah. Okay. No, I just got distracted because I was like reading comments.

Jessamyn 1:18:00 Because Jeremy said something about me nagging you guys about the Metafilter Mall. And you know, number one, I'm sorry. But number two? I'm not sure if everybody knows.

Cortex 1:18:09 I think everybody knows. I think it was meant in like self aware. Good. I wasn't sure. No, no, it's it's it's useful to have you think about stuff sometimes.

Jessamyn 1:18:19 It's useful to read along and see what the hell's going on. Yeah.

Cortex 1:18:22 We had a nice start about like the 14th anniversary of $5 Noob. Signup starting. Yes. So it was a fun, people chatting around stuff. And yeah, as you mentioned, the Mefi mall is up and running, we got a banner up on it. And if you want to shop metal filter makers, go check out the model and get some holiday stuff if you make stuff. And we'd like to sell it to other people on metal filter and technically elsewhere on the internet. But I assume like 99% of the eyeballs on the Mefi mall are logged in users. Then go get your stuff listed. There's a form you can fill out to get a store up if you did it in previous year and want to re up the same thing. You can do that too. So yay, Mefi Mall. It's It's good stuff. And Chris mirror and greenish

Jessamyn 1:19:14 was just in his last moment.

Cortex 1:19:16 I'm wrong wrong. Yeah, yeah. Middle of the month, couple weeks ago.

Jessamyn 1:19:24 Yeah, they said they sent a announcement. And yeah, I mean, you can see in the in the thread here. They met because I came to town, and then they got married. And now they have this little kid. Dorothy. Yes. I like to think I helped. I helped.

Cortex 1:19:43 Um,

Jessamyn 1:19:46 oh my god, that baby's wearing a tiny metal filter shirt. All that hair, all that hair. I know people say that but I still can't stop saying it. Oh,

Cortex 1:20:01 I was trying to put together a Benjamin Button joke about losing your hair later, but that couldn't make it work.

Jessamyn 1:20:09 I feel like I somehow did not see this thread. Well, hey, now, that's where the hell I mean,

Cortex 1:20:17 I'm, I'm not even recording. I'm just talking to you telling you to look at stuff. Jasmine,

Jessamyn 1:20:21 Jasmine, here's some things. Here's some stuff, Jasmine.

Cortex 1:20:28 Oh, yeah. Okay. One other thing I mentioned. Because we mentioned in passing while talking about AskMe, but this meta talk thread that's been an ongoing thing the last few days and has felt like kind of, like, sort of a holiday airing of grievances. It's, it's it's a good, thoughtful post from Lazuli basically saying, Hey, I have last

Jessamyn 1:20:47 Lazuli shit. It occurs to me. I don't know.

Cortex 1:20:51 Yeah, I don't know, I guess I think

Jessamyn 1:20:53 I'm sorry, keep talking. I didn't mean it lazily.

Cortex 1:20:54 Anyway, basically saying, hey, you know, I want to kind of talk about how I feel the tone is on asked me sometimes in terms of people maybe being meaner or piling on or whatnot. And I have a lot of thoughts about that, that I have eventually gotten around to catching up with the threads enough to write down. But it's it's led to people talking a lot about their perceptions of AskMe, how to filter and sort of how the tone of responses and the dynamics of responses happen there. And whether people are too hard on times, or being mean, or responding in productive ways or whatnot. And I think there's a lot there, and you come into there several months kind of there and steal

Jessamyn 1:21:39 your last comments, at least the ones that I saw, I don't know, yesterday, or today were good, like, thoughtful summaries, I thought because it's hard, right? Because we're not always our best people, when we're interacting on metal filter. And sometimes if we're not our worst people, but also not our best people, we can tip things in a direction that maybe we want. Yeah.

Cortex 1:21:57 Yeah, like, it's, it's hard because there's not like some obvious simple thing that needs solving. It's that like, there's a lot of ongoing, slightly effortful work that goes into not letting things sort of get out of hand. And I think that's mostly what it comes down to, is like, stuff can easily get out of hand at hand in sort of a low stakes way where it's not like a giant train wreck. Like you know, we there was there was kind of a massive and asked Metafilter threat over Thanksgiving weekend, which of course, something after I was like, oh, yeah, this after Thanksgiving,

Jessamyn 1:22:28 that I think we were talking about that, because it's been so long, so long, since like, a holiday thread was so shitty that like you had to step away from hanging out with your family to deal Yeah, but it used to be the norm. Because we didn't have tools in place. And we didn't, we had a lot more users who like to stir shit up constantly and could get away your

Cortex 1:22:52 employees more shit stirs tools for differing some of the ship, etc. So it's like we're in much better shape these days. But I've I feel like in retrospect, I thought my flag cube problem that I posted about was like the thing that happened on Thanksgiving. And in retrospect, we were also just really distracted from this as medical doctors and so didn't ride herd on it as hard as probably we should have.

Jessamyn 1:23:14 Oh, god. Yeah,

Cortex 1:23:15 that's the my main thing is that, like, it's, I don't even want to talk about like, it was a kind of a trip. But whatever it was, it was it was a it wasn't a train wreck in an interesting way, like the things went wrong with it are things that you recognize and I recognize, you know, from working on metal filter for years, like there's nothing super surprising about them. It was just, it was a question where there were reasons to be grumpy about the asker and reasons for people to express that grumpiness. And it just sort of built up in a shitty way. Well, and

Jessamyn 1:23:45 I do think it's a really interesting question. Again, not talking about this question. But in a general sense, if somebody asks a question in a way that reveals that maybe they're a terrible person, what's your responsibility? But it's not delete worthy? What's your responsibility? Is somebody responding to that? And I think people's different feelings about that have a lot to do with their different feelings about the world. Right? Like, do you yell back at Donald Trump on Twitter?

Cortex 1:24:11 Or are you just I just lost your audio? Did you excellent. mute yourself? I did Hey, there. Yeah. Well, that was short enough. I'm not gonna edit it.

Jessamyn 1:24:26 Normally, normally. I mean, I don't know why. That's the thing. That's mechanical, right? Yeah. The little switch that's on a cord but like three feet down the cord, so it hangs next to my chair. Yeah. At any rate, you know, do you so I don't know how much you caught. Yeah. Do you yell back at Donald Trump on Twitter? Or do you kind of ignore him and let other people just be like, Yo, man, not cool. And I think with metal filter, like I think there would be a difference if it was like me posting something that revealed some kind of latent you know, sexism or home fob or something people were like Jesus Jessamyn. Like, we thought you had a grip on this, as opposed to somebody who's just a Rando, right. And if it's a Rando, and they're not part of the community, and they're revealing, or actually stating kind of negative things about other members of the community, what's the responsibility of the community? And how hard do you push? Because maybe you feel like you have to compensate for what mods are doing, or you feel like you need to, you know, just to learn mods, and then you've done your job. And it's fascinating to me, because there's not a right answer. Different people have different feelings. A lot of people have some hurts from a long time ago. And yeah, it was a really interesting

Cortex 1:25:42 or even hurts contemporaneously? I mean, that's part of the thing is like, Yeah, I think I think a big part of the point of disagreement with other people is, to some extent, like how much is the state of badness in the world a determinant of your behavioral choices in the specific context vast Metafilter. And that's Chad, I think, is part of the challenge. Because like, I really, really understand people being like, you know, what, people do this dumb access to shit all the time, and I'm tired of it. And I'm tired of just like, being civil about it. So I'm not

Jessamyn 1:26:18 like I'm being asked to tolerate it. And this is my space. And I don't

Cortex 1:26:21 Yeah, and I super fucking understand that reaction. But at the same time, it's also it's tricky, because AskMe Metafilter isn't like hunting ground, it's a question and answer thing, like, the whole idea is you try and sort of come to what is there and provide, you know, the response were appropriately within sort of the guidelines of the site. And I think some of the difficulty with some of the meaner stuff or harsher stuff that comes out is people trying to, like, honestly, to some extent, trying to respect that in a way that still allows them to kind of express their anger or frustration or dissatisfaction or whatnot, you know, and so it's not people just like showing up and being huge flaming assholes. It's people showing up and saying, Well, I know if I'm a huge flaming asshole, even though it feels righteously justified, that's gonna get deleted. So instead, I'm gonna be like, half an asshole, and maybe it'll stay up. And you know, maybe it does stay up. And so, yeah, it's it's weird. It's complicated. It's a very, it's a very big, complicated aspect of sort of, like community tone and community, self awareness and moderation practice on AskMe. Ian. So as much as like, I'm not like, I haven't been enjoying threats, certainly. But it's been it's, it's a useful discussion to have. And it's been interesting to read through. And it's given me stuff to sort of try and digest and think about, and I think it'll help nudge us to maybe be a little bit more quick on the enforcement on some of these things that show up that are like, sort of the seeds of some of the bad AskMe dynamics.

Jessamyn 1:27:50 Yeah, I mean, I do really feel like there isn't a metal filter mod that lives in asked me to filter the way I do. Yeah, I did when I worked there, but also just do because that's who I am in my life. Yeah. And I do think that, you know, it makes a difference, like eyebrows, I think goes back and forth between spending a lot of time there and spending a normal job amount of time there. Yeah. And lobster bitten a little bit, too. But most of the other mods don't really kind of park there, you know, sidle up to the bar. And every now and again, you notice the difference? I don't necessarily think it's a big deal. It's just but I mean, I understand

Cortex 1:28:26 the perceived difference there. Certainly, like I can get that. And I think there is yeah, it's, it's, it would be nice to have, you know, convenient, essentially asked me workaholic, I guess. i It would be nice to continue to exploit your labor that way as much as

Jessamyn 1:28:46 the site works. Yeah,

Cortex 1:28:47 yeah. So the, and compensating for those changes of balance over time is definitely kind of an ongoing project in moderation. So it's, it's handy to get that feedback and see for the stuff that isn't like necessarily happening just by virtue of, you know, personal fixation, like, you know, okay, well, then we can put some more like, explicit effort in that instead. So yeah, I don't know. It's great

Jessamyn 1:29:11 to hang out there a lot more now that I'm not working there to be honest. So. I mean, it makes no,

Cortex 1:29:18 no, absolutely. Like, like, I can just flag stuff there is there is all kinds of stuff that I find frustrating in time I spent on medical tour, and basically all of it is stuff that I'm doing because I need to anyway because it's my job, like, you know, I can just not go into threads that I find frustrating for extracurricular reasons, I can think, you know, yeah, I don't I don't feel like dealing with this right now. And then I just enjoy the rest of that time, but like, politics, read some of the Harry Potter interpersonal dynamics shit, like that's, that's the job, you know, and it's not the part of the job that I'm in love with. But, hey, I get paid and I'm in charge of something that I think is important and valuable. So it balances out Good. I agree. You want a quick Music Minute? I can mention a few little things here. There's a keep pasting stuff into Slack. I'm gonna stop I swear. But doing that there's a song by spread Neve Ashtar called scheme that is, you know, it has kind of like a late REM vibe to me. Really it's like there's there's something kind of Michael Stipe is just about the vocals and the melody in general. But also like the sort of like, Sonic, sort of like turmoil sort of Joni feel of it. Anyway, I like it. It's good. There's also a song by someone named note on gospel called third song by bulbs for Leonard which, that's Jim's new project. I guess.

Jessamyn 1:30:53 I didn't I mean, he told me like I told him, I was gonna do a podcast and he's like, Oh, tell Josh something. And I'm like, I'm not gonna tell Josh anything you tell him like, we don't have that kind of relationship.

Cortex 1:31:04 He didn't tell me anything.

Jessamyn 1:31:06 But anyway, something about this song and bulbs for Leonard just makes me laugh as a as a as a band name for whatever reason.

Cortex 1:31:17 I also really appreciate that this is their first song and it's called third song. Anyway, so it's a weird verbally thing. And God bless him. I like it. Even listen to it. Then there is a link to a couple times previously, I've been enjoying her stuff. She has been sort of building up her musical chops. And this is a nice song to record. It's a studio recording, which is an exciting development for her and and yeah, it's just been kind of nice seeing her sort of build up a little bit of a medical music presence. And she's heard talks about that, like in her her write about song and yeah, so it's nice. And then I'll cap it off with dance 64, which is a post by carrot adventure, whose stuff I always like. And this is not the combo breaker on that. I like it as well, too. So yeah, that's, that's the music, listen to music.

Jessamyn 1:32:17 I liked the music. I liked it. We keep having it. Me too. I should get. I've been spending some time reading up on fanfare threats on the good place, actually, cuz I've been watching the good place. But I don't I don't think to go to Fanfare for anything, but sorry, I live and so it's very exciting to me too.

Cortex 1:32:33 Nice. Good place is really good. It is.

Jessamyn 1:32:37 And those threads are chatty. Yeah. Yeah, they're fun.

Cortex 1:32:43 Ah, I think that's it. It was everything. Okay. It was a podcast.

Jessamyn 1:32:49 Yeah, it was nice talking to you. I'm gonna go Google the weather so I can figure out what my next couple days are gonna be

Cortex 1:32:53 like, alright, Google clouds. Because it's on the cloud. Yeah, yep. Yep. All right. Good. Okay.