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A transcript for Episode 145: I Don't Own A Cellphone! (2018-10-03).

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Unknown Speaker 0:00 A couple of things you

Cortex 0:25 tell me more about your singles medication.

Jessamyn 0:28 So stupid, right? Like I had all these like what I thought were bug bites and when I was hoping weren't bedbugs, but it turned out to actually be a mild case of shingles and like a really mild case, like I wasn't in a lot of pain, but I was in some pain. And it was kind of in my chest region. So I was like, Well, this is the end because women have been sort of trained to be completely afraid of anything that happens around there. But my doctor took one look at me, and he's like, shingles. I'm like, Are you sure it's not some kind of really bad shit. He's like, No. And I'm like, But what about the pain and he's like, take this medicine. It's like nerve nerve medicine. And it works on all my nerves, including the brain nerves. It tells me I'm a bad person and the brain nerves that tell me I shouldn't get any more sleep. So you know, I've been sleeping Excellent. And like, I've been in a better mood that I've been in in years. It's just

Cortex 1:22 like unmoored from any sense of like, you know, consequence or, or it's like,

Jessamyn 1:27 a lot of people talk about like, CBD oil, and I've never tried it. So I don't know, but it's like, kind of the chill of getting high without the, like, kind of part of getting high. You know, cuz I don't like that part. It's bad for me. But like the chill part. I like being chill. I just have very little experience. It's been crazy. I like drove around like shitty Burlington to find a parking place yesterday, and it was fine. Very weird. Yeah, so that's good news. Overall, is what I'm saying. Well, good. Yeah. But, you know, it comes with a little bit of kind of memory like, yeah, I don't totally remember talking to you last month. I'm pretty sure we did. Because there's audio. Yeah.

Cortex 2:11 Well, I mean, that's, that's my usual like, state of existence on these. So

Jessamyn 2:16 for once live like this normally, where they have a reasonable attachment to the world that makes sense. And they remember a normal amount of stuff, but they don't feel like oh, God, if I don't remember what I had for dinner, like two weeks ago, I'm clearly you know, getting a degenerative disease. Clearly. Yeah. Which was historically my problem and not my problem right now.

Cortex 2:39 All right. Well, your problem right now is it's episode 145. The metal filter monthly podcast with me Josh cortex Mullard. And he just said, and yeah, here we are. It is October the second it's the spookiest month. And I said spookiest, which is like spooky, but with two peas instead of a que have we talked about spoopy before? It's like a whole thing.

Jessamyn 3:04 Are you kidding?

Unknown Speaker 3:06 No. It's like some

Jessamyn 3:07 kind of steamed ham bullshit where you reminded me that something is a thing and it's not a thing.

Cortex 3:14 Just Just Google spoopy it's totally your right. Well, just want you to believe it's real. All right.

Jessamyn 3:21 SPO BB why no SP

Cortex 3:24 Oh, PY like spooky, but with a second P instead of a K

Jessamyn 3:30 word. comical and spooky at the same time photograph of a misspelled Halloween sign associated with another slang word.

Cortex 3:40 Jesus. It's just it's just yeah, I don't even know like the backstory. I just know everybody started saying spooky some number of years ago and I was like, Yeah, okay, I'm done with it. Fuck have I been? Clearly not insufficiently spooky?

Jessamyn 3:53 Oh. So there's a which is probably where we should refer anyone else who doesn't know what the hell's going on. This which has some of the you know, funny pictures. And I guess there's swoopy and the one I of course, like is crappy CRT p p y that, you know is also I guess, part of this meme. Oh my god, this is nuts. This is good to know. Because there is I mean, we all know Right? There's a ton of stuff where like people are trying to scare you. And it turns out it's just not like it's just not scary. But it's it's trying and that makes it funny.

Cortex 4:36 Yeah, I'm getting some slightly weird robotic slowdown from every minute or two. Are you on weird internet?

Jessamyn 4:42 I'm on my home internet, which is the same and it just gets worse as the rest of the world gets better and mine stays the same. But now alright.

Cortex 4:53 If there's any odd audio things we'll find out after but I think the way it works since it's recording from both sides is your recording should be fun. All right, so this will divide man we're just going to run with it. And and if something's spoopy about your audio so be it. Yeah, it's, it's it's the beginning of October. We're gonna talk about September stuff and stuff and things and you got your meds I got my I don't have any meds. I don't have a good med stories. I'm drinking a glass of water it's been kind of a busy couple months with stuff. I think we, we sort of talked about vacation last month because I just gotten back from it. And then there was XOXO.

Jessamyn 5:37 Yes. Which looks like you know, pretty good. I thought Yeah,

Cortex 5:41 it was fantastic. It was I mean, it's it's, it's it's been fantastic. Every time was fantastic. Again, it was weird, because it were like twice as many people there as last time they threw it. And so like there's some scale issues there. We ended up renting out the Veterans Memorial Coliseum, which is like the old stadium in Oregon. We're now I think they still have some hockey games or something. But but it's kind of weird, because it's like, I saw the pictures.

Jessamyn 6:02 And it looked crazy. Because like it was so big. I mean, it looked like it was what's the the nerd thing with the two dudes who do the packs packs? It looked like you know, a Pax level amount of people even though it wasn't that much bigger than last year. Right? If I'm understanding correctly.

Cortex 6:20 Well, last year wasn't at all because whenever the last time everybody's been saying, like I said last year, like a dozen fucking times at the festival this year's. It shouldn't be one to talk. Yeah. But yeah, last time, it was like 1300 people total. And I think this was like 2200. So it was a lot more but the space was bigger. So it kind of felt like it fit. And yeah, it was like it was kind of crazy. We were in the the old stadium, which is just a strange thing for oh, yeah, some friends of mine. They throw a little thing. And they went out of state. Yeah. But yeah, it was really good time. And, you know, it's, it's always really nice seeing people and seeing cool stuff that people are working on, like video games and tabletop stuff and listen to people talk about stuff. But there's also, you know, talks every time they do it, where people talk about their work. And, you know, there's there tends to be sort of a focus on sort of the intersection of creative work and internet stuff. And also things like social justice issues. Right. Right. Right. And, you know, talking about sort of like community interaction, whatnot. So it was all it was basically, it was really nice to hear people talk about a bunch of different things in often kind of an intersectional way. That's got me thinking, like it does every time about like, you know, sort of community management and inclusiveness stuff. And so yeah, it was really, I am jazzed and also like, you know, I came out of it emotionally exhausted, like I do every time because like four solid days of like, massive amounts of social interaction by my

Jessamyn 7:51 hometown, too. So it's not, like, go out and hide in the hotel, like a lot of people do. Who are from away you're like, yeah, let me advise you on a really good bar or something.

Cortex 8:01 Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I think I liked that I liked the fact that it's at home, because instead of having a hotel, I can, you know, hide at my house if I if I need not go. Exactly. But yeah, so that was that was a really good time, and ate up a lot of brain space. I'm still sort of unpacking some of that, but, but it's good stuff.

Jessamyn 8:22 Good. I'm so I'm so glad I shifted from Westport, Massachusetts to Vermont, which is sort of my beloved home. And I'm doing nothing but meetings, but my brain seems to not mind them anymore. So that's awesome.

Cortex 8:37 Yeah. So you're working for a

Jessamyn 8:41 little bit like I'm basically kind of their consulting person, when they need help with some of the stuff they're moving into. Right. So like Fog Creek made a big announcement there glitch now, which is like the the company is not called Fog Creek anymore. So that's interesting. And as well, they're looking for a community health engineer, kind of which is like a front end web developer, but somebody who's really based in community stuff. And I helped them write that, write that job ad look up a bunch of different job ads. And now we're sort of looking at there. They have, you know, a site abuse playbook, basically. And you know, how can things break on glitch? How do how do people fuck up? Stuff on glitch? And I'm sort of, you know, walking through some scenarios with them, helping them with it. So it's super part time. But you know, they're I mean, I think Jen from glitch was XOXO. Yeah, no, it's amazing. Like, she's super fun to work with great energy smart person. Interesting. And so I just kind of, you know, I gave him a tour of like, the Metafilter back end, for instance, and was like, here's how we keep track of users without keeping track of users. You know what I mean? So like, they have a problem where like, what if one user has something that happens to them, either like they're having a bad day and they act out or you have to, you know, give them time off for a day or whatever, you know what I mean? How do you keep track of that on the back end. And Metafilter, as far as I'm concerned, has a super easy peasy way of dealing with that. Because it's just a database thing. It doesn't require any fancy queries, it's a very easy thing to write. And it's been the same for a really long time. And, and so I was just kind of showing her like, this is how we have basic stuff like that. So that if you've got three community managers, they can all see what's going on without necessarily having to all talk to each other, or read the last 1000 lines in the slack, like Slack is great, but you can't use it as a bulletin board. Unless everybody's there really pretty frequently, you know,

Cortex 10:48 mostly just a contemporaneous, like discussion.

Jessamyn 10:52 What's going on? Not our title. Yeah. And people, I think Hackett to be archival, but I think it's better to have the right tools for it, which I think you guys totally do. So it was nice. I gave her a little tour. And she's like, Oh, I never thought about that. And I was like, Yeah, this is kind of old tech. But because so much stuff is built on the same, you know, three or four or five platforms. A lot of people don't DIY it. And so they don't think about what it could be they just think about, like what WordPress lets them do or what?

Cortex 11:23 Maybe, maybe try and find a plugin somewhere that will let them sort of do the thing instead of

Jessamyn 11:28 So way to go PB and you know, the old team who built the thing that basically still works as far as I'm concerned, right?

Cortex 11:36 No, it's Yeah, yeah, we iterate it every once awhile still. Like it's all small changes, because like the basic concept is really solid. It works.

Jessamyn 11:43 Yeah. So that was nice. And then I went bowling for my birthday, which I appreciated. It was you know, whatever. It's just like my my 10 friends and we went out bowling and then we went out to dinner at the local brewery, pub. And then like, you know, me and Jim went out to our spot like the next night just together and that kind of wrapped it up. And it was really nice. And postcards continue to come in. Thank you Moon milk. I just received your birthday card today. It was glorious. I appreciate it.

Cortex 12:12 Hey, milk. Yeah. Ranjit.

Jessamyn 12:15 So yeah, and Virgo month of leisure is officially over. That's great. My Blackeye is officially healed. That's amazing.

Cortex 12:21 I'm, I'm sorry, I forget how the blackout happened.

Jessamyn 12:24 Kate, my sister who I love very much is not very good. At Frisbee. I thought I was standing far enough away at the disc golf course. And I got a disc golf frisbee like just right.

Cortex 12:41 And those those are, you know, that's a thin wedge those things? Yeah. So

Jessamyn 12:47 right under the eye. And so I had a black eye like my whole birthday week. And like, you know, when you're a child with a black eye, that's one thing or if you're like a dude who fights it's another thing. But if you're like a 50 year old lady with a black eye, like, people just worry, you know what I mean? Like anybody you talk to, you have to be like, my sister hit me in the face, which is hard because she feels bad about it. Obviously. I mean, she felt terrible. And it was just an accident. Like it wasn't it wasn't like, you shouldn't laugh It was just an accident. Yeah. But so she felt bad. But I also felt like I had to be proactive and tell every single person that I was hit in the face with a Frisbee so that I was very clear that I wasn't hit in the face by a person, you know? Or especially my boyfriend, you know? Like, that's not our relationship

Cortex 13:35 or things Okay, are you safe? Are you are you reread Exactly. Oh, no, it's just a fucking Frisbee. Right? Right. It's not

Jessamyn 13:41 even I walked into a door but yeah, so that has finally I mean, it took a long time to heal. It was a bad injury. But did and so yeah, it's just kind of reined in. I've cleaned out and refilled all my bird feeders. Like you know,

Cortex 13:57 things are going okay, thanks for going okay, sounds pretty solid

Jessamyn 14:01 solid been enjoying metal filter and haven't worked there this month. So Latuda There you go. You've been working there. How's it been?

Cortex 14:10 I have it's been okay. It's been you know, it's

Jessamyn 14:13 I think happened I think must have been hard. Yeah, I

Cortex 14:16 mean, that's kind of though that's the whole fucking thing that's there's a certain amount of like blurry like like the first half of the month was a little bit blurry because coming back from vacation and getting caught up and then immediately XOXO which is this huge draining thing and then I went for a nice

Jessamyn 14:28 like, you take time off at XOXO did you kind of work through it took

Cortex 14:31 the time off. It's I've tried working for it before and it's just like No, it just doesn't work. So

Jessamyn 14:36 I remember working through South by and historically and it wasn't good.

Cortex 14:40 I mean, on the other hand South by so you're not missing lunch.

Jessamyn 14:43 Hey, is that what they teach you?

Cortex 14:48 Is that what they constantly constantly shit on us? I love Austin I like we've talked about my feelings about South by based on how I went the first time I have and that a few times over the years but ya know, maybe maybe South by I'll turn around somebody and be quirky and interesting again, but But yeah, so like, you know, basically about mid months I'm starting to kind of feel like back on like my, like stable ground again and thinking boy, that was a whole month plus of jamming everything that happens like this summer and fall into one place. I shouldn't do that again. But I'll probably just do again next year anyway. Because it's all good stuff. But, but so just sort of coming back from that and being like, okay, kind of steady ground now. Okay, now this Kavanaugh confirmation thing is going to be like the worst two weeks of the year so far. He has been it, it's, yeah, yeah. It's been kind of shitty and draining for everybody. You know, it's, it's just one of the things we're like, talking about, not just, you know, sexual assault, but also the fucked up dynamics of trying to actually come forward and talk about sexual assault is like, yeah, it's, it's a huge, messy, painful, terrible thing for a ton of people. And so it's not just that, like, it's this big political shit show in the US, but like, everybody who's sort of watching it play out is, you know, if they have, you know, any sort of stake in that are like, well, fucking here we go again, right? You know, and, like, the best case scenario for this thing is there's going to be a whole bunch of trauma dredged up in the face of maybe stopping a shitheel from being put in an extremely powerful position. Right. And it's good. If that happens, I hope that happens. But like, you know, that's like, that's the upside is, I think, basically, what everybody looking at it is like, you know, marking out the upper boundary of how well this could go, because like, you know, the real upper boundary, if we're just like, you know, he goes, like, he goes to jail, people stop and say, Oh, fuck, there's a whole systemic problem here that we are responsible for, we got to fucking stop, it becomes a better place.

Jessamyn 17:01 Right? So everybody is waiting for it. Right? Like, it's the shortly this of all of this. Yeah, like, surely we can finally talk about toxic masculinity without a bunch of well, actually fuckos in my mentions, yeah. You know, pretending like it's not a thing and boys will be boys, surely.

Cortex 17:18 But like, you know, at the same time, you know, no, I mean, like, it would be great. But no, like, basically, everybody has been, you know, beaten down by, you know, years and decades and centuries, and millennia of that not being the case, right, to the point where, like, you know, it's, it's kind of impossible to expect much from it. And that makes the whole thing as frustrating. Because like, you can end up in sort of like, a pre despairing space, even on the limited scope of how well this could go, knowing that it could easily not go that well, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. So yeah, you know, yeah, it's been, it's kind of a lot of

Jessamyn 17:57 a lot of pain going around. And that's always difficult, because on the one hand, you totally want to be sympathetic and empathetic to everybody's pain. And on the other hand, it makes it difficult to figure out what the community issues are that you need to deal with, because you just want to help make people feel better. And sometimes those two things conflict.

Cortex 18:17 Sorry, yeah, yeah, it's difficult. And it's been like, you know, we've been managing. That's, the site's still up. So

Jessamyn 18:26 I was having a conversation with Jim about it, you know, I was like, and I'm not, like, whatever, I just find this stuff difficult, not because I have a personal connection to it. But just because it's difficult, you know, that makes sense. And I was just like, Yeah, I just, I don't know if I could do that for a job anymore. You know, as I've gotten older, I don't know if I could. And so I'm always happy that somebody else is willing to,

Cortex 18:49 yeah, no, it's it's worth doing. And the team has been doing a good job on it. And people can keep an eye out for each other. But, boy, yeah, I would, I would really like to see that guy dropped out a hole and we can all move on.

Jessamyn 19:00 Well, and that's really the thing, right? Because it really brings out my worst instincts. Right? Because, yeah, I just wind up thinking, like, really negative thoughts. Like, somebody's gonna kill that guy, you know, like, not me. But like, I worry, because I think people's level of outrage is really high. That said, I felt that way about Trump. And that just doesn't happen. So who knows the world confuses me.

Cortex 19:25 Yep. But yeah, other than that, things would be great. It has somewhat affected my awareness. I'm gonna be doing more catch up than I do sometimes on the site as we podcast because Oh, right. There was other stuff. I was supposed to look at the other end. There's a sense like, you know, what we've been doing handoffs, like well, what else is going on and site well, not not much like and it's not that people have been posting and talking about stuff just like people haven't been getting in fights elsewhere.

Jessamyn 19:52 times when things are bad, it's because you know, the mega thread becomes a black hole of negative activity, which is good news, bad news because The rest of the site sometimes becomes a little less.

Cortex 20:02 Yeah, it sort of centralizes our attention on the mod team in a way that like, you know, cuts down on our work. So what else is going on? And there has been lots of nice stuff. You know, Taz and lobstermen continue to get stuff up on the sidebar pretty regularly. And I've enjoyed some threads. And by God, we're going to talk about them and go from here. So, so yeah.

Jessamyn 20:24 La dee da.

Cortex 20:40 Yeah, hey, let's talk about jobs. Hey, jobs, our jobs are things where you're, you're employed, and you do work, and you could pay a little bit surprised this dictionary defines jobs. Sorry.

Jessamyn 20:53 I wonder if they found a Nude Yoga teacher. I felt like that was up. We had our last conversation. But clearly, it wasn't

Cortex 21:01 I think there was an AskMe Metafilter when we did the conversation, and they correspondingly came in.

Jessamyn 21:09 Remember, there was some comments that were like, you better make sure what triggers whatever and yeah, not that. That isn't important. But I felt it was an odd way to respond to the question, but autumn Willow is looking for some yoga instructors for their naked yoga and pilates class feminist body positive queer friendly

Cortex 21:30 Boston and also in New York.

Jessamyn 21:33 New York. I like that idea. I like their whole track. I'm gonna load their website, because I bet it's good.

Cortex 21:45 There's also a photo projects job from

Jessamyn 21:50 naked Yoga people. You find them? I love it. But yes, lol. Yep, these are great. Oh, see, this makes me feel like you were

Cortex 22:05 actually saying, but I thought you were saying but like you were going to interject or something. And then I was making a joke. And then I was just, it's just I failed. No,

Jessamyn 22:14 this is awesome. I love this website. I want to go do some naked yoga. All right.

Cortex 22:21 Yes, kangaroo has a photo project job. They're asking for digital selfies. People looking angry and sucks. So if you feel like maybe doing some anger on camera, I guess check it out.

Jessamyn 22:35 I'll do that's awesome. And you get a hand printed card of a monster and payment. I think that's a great trade. And then I guess we'll talk about the third job because this is the one that was interesting to me. Mesa County Libraries in Colorado is looking for a library director. But the deadline is October 8. And good. Another wire, you might like it. This is a job Bella Donna just saw not one that they are offering. But at any rate might be a good one.

Cortex 23:05 Should we discuss projects? Sure. Well, he's gonna say no, and we just won't be able to do it. And I'm like, I asked like

Jessamyn 23:13 that. Well, it's like a vampire, right? Yes. You can't invite them in. There were some Yes. God my memory.

Cortex 23:21 Yeah, no, no, no.

Jessamyn 23:23 I saw a recent like invite the vampire in joke, probably a malt shop. But you know, it's impossible to search for because site is impossible. Alright. So there are two projects that I like, one is mine, and one is not mine. But one of them is max Barber, who you may also know is Astro zombie or a whole bunch of other things. writes a horror story that is two sentences long, although sometimes those horror stories are long. And I like this because it happens on Twitter. So I wind up seeing it because I follow max. And as a result, I get to see these little stories. And they are good because he is good at you know, Twitter, internet, everything else. And and you can and you can just you can just sort of read a bright, people were fascinated that she could change her eyes from brown to Blue at will. They never questioned the distance screaming that immediately followed, nor the rash of eyeless people showing up in hospitals. And they're all like that, right? They're all like super short. Nobody has anything to say at the funeral. And so they quietly buried the criminal known as the mouth stitcher comm these are great. And there's a ton of them, right? So if this is the kind of thing you like, then you are in for a treat because there are so many of them already. That it's just it's it's the greatest. It's the greatest made me happy.

Cortex 24:54 It's good stuff. Yeah.

Jessamyn 24:56 And then the other one I just wanted to talk about was the one I asked you to approve Right before we started today, which was because I know you're trying to encourage people to do projects that don't necessarily aren't necessarily like a gigantic thing.

Cortex 25:09 Exactly. It can just be a thing. Right?

Jessamyn 25:12 This is the thing that I did, because I hate change. And I use my email, like, all the time in Gmail changed, which whatever that happens, right. But I don't like it. And I don't like it in a lot of ways. And so I was like, Well, you know, I use like, stylish or stylus, whatever, to, you know, use user scripts that will do certain things. And so I was like, well, maybe somebody's done something that makes Gmail easier to deal with. And then there was one that was close, but it wasn't what I wanted. And I'm on a mailing list of people. And I gave them this script that I'd done. And they were like, you know, it'd be really nice if this were just black and white, you know, grayscale. And I was like, you know, I bet that would be really calm. Like, I do that on my phone. And it's great. It's mellow for me, right? Like, I can just press a button, and my phone is grayscale. And I love it. So I was like, I'll try it. And you know, CSS, I don't know how much CSS you mess with.

Cortex 26:13 I mean, a little bit. Not so much lately, but

Jessamyn 26:16 I don't know that much about it. But I know enough to be dangerous. Yeah. So I went through new Gmail, and just right click right click right click Inspect Element, inspect element, inspect element, change it to fucking gray, gray, gray, white, gray, black, gray and white. And at the end of it, make that Blinky thing stop, turn all the animations off every fucking animation, fuck you. I don't want it to be animated. It's garbage. And, you know, I came out with something that's mostly workable and a little broken. But I figured I should share it with people, I put it on Twitter. But you know, I don't really know if that's the right crowd for it. And I couldn't load it onto the user styles page, because the CSS is not good enough. But it does work. So if you want to try making your Gmail a little more chill, please enjoy my script.

Cortex 27:08 Yeah. And someone could, in theory, like, sit down and try and like, make that CSS like, like, clean, like, take the effective done and say, Okay, let's take this down to like, the proper hierarchy of the stylesheet. And try and get it into the like, you know, a smaller number of core elements or something could make it a Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Jessamyn 27:27 exactly. And it's got a Creative Commons license on it, which is how I could actually change. The other stuff in it was it was two user styles that I jammed together, maybe three, and they all have Creative Commons licensing. So mine also has a Creative Commons license. So go nuts, please improve upon what I have done.

Cortex 27:47 Excellent. Yeah.

Jessamyn 27:49 I think I voted for a couple other things, but

Cortex 27:54 that there was a there's a beep

Jessamyn 27:56 Yes. My second. Okay. I'll just I mean, you know how it is, like you started thing where you don't want to be disturbed. And then everybody wants to just, that's when they want to hang out with you.

Cortex 28:08 Yep. I am also extremely popular.

Jessamyn 28:10 Jim is like sending me pictures of his chair at work. Like I told you, I was podcasting. Like, just I love that guy. But how does he know?

Cortex 28:20 Turn your phone off?

Jessamyn 28:23 What? Oh, I should turn the alert sound off. That's a good idea, though.

Cortex 28:27 Like my phone is like the volume is always off on my phone.

Jessamyn 28:31 Mine is when I sleep during the day. It isn't because

Cortex 28:36 this I wonder if this is a pocket thing because like I just have it on vibrate, and it's just in my my hip pocket.

Jessamyn 28:42 I'm too old, like parts of me just vibrate on their own and I can never tell if it's the phone or like you know, some kind of like Twitch I mean, that would be cool if it worked. Got a couple other projects but yeah,

Cortex 28:57 I'll diplomatic King Keith Pillow has a new podcast called Art pal. Where he's just talking about stuff that's on display at the Minneapolis Institute of Art. But you can look at pictures from wherever. But But yeah, just talking about are just sort of like, volunteer guided tour to some art stuff in in Minneapolis.

Jessamyn 29:23 Oh, that's awesome. Have you listened to any of it yet?

Cortex 29:25 I have not yet. It is on a long list of podcasts that I'm sure going to listen to one of these days when I magically have time to listen to podcast speaking of

Jessamyn 29:32 Minneapolis for a minute to talk to you about talking to Jenny Jesse Ventura yesterday.

Cortex 29:37 Oh shit. Yes. Well, okay, we'll do a project and then we'll we'll take a quick Jesse Ventura break.

Jessamyn 29:41 Yeah. Oh, there's a couple of librarian things that I liked. My friend Griffey, who is lovely, and just a wonderful librarian. Man has a Glowforge so you know, and so he's making librarian stuff. So you can get like name tags that say librarian and forget And elvish or a clang on or our bash? I don't even know. Rupert Geils nameplates, and they're all like, the prices are reasonable. And they're cool. And Jason's lovely. So yeah, I just I like it. I voted for it. He's a good person. If that's your kind of thing, especially around holiday time. That would be a good thing.

Cortex 30:23 We had some fun stuff.

Jessamyn 30:25 And word short now does my voicemail message?

Cortex 30:29 Oh, yes. Yes, there's been.

Jessamyn 30:31 It's great because like, you know, he said it, but I was just kind of like, I had him read the thing. But then I'm kind of like, whatever. I don't even know how to transfer sound files. Fuck it. So I just like the new meme. And so I just like held my computer like, or held my phone up to the computer. So it sounds like a British dude. But it sounds like a British dude in a well.

Cortex 30:54 Nice. Wow.

Jessamyn 30:56 I mean, yeah.

Cortex 30:58 I mean, I'm on board. Go for that distinction.

Jessamyn 31:01 Right. Like, if you're calling and listening to my voice message, I don't want to talk to you. You should have texted me. Like you're either a relative in which case you think that's as good as technology can get and you're excited that you're you can leave a message or you're someone who should have texted me, right. So text me? Yeah.

Cortex 31:18 I really liked clipper tins. Definitely not made up murder. She wrote title cards, which is just a Twitter feed full of title cards for murder. She wrote episodes that definitely are not made up.

Jessamyn 31:31 Oh, dude, this is amazing. I didn't see that was

Cortex 31:34 what waiter

Jessamyn 31:37 they make Berto memorandum juice in the casket. arches. The recipe for murder serves four to six.

Cortex 31:47 Just like you know, just the appropriate font laid over. Murder She Wrote screencasts I have never watched that show. I probably have watched like a third of five or six episodes 30 years ago when it was on like syndication in the summer or whatever. And yeah, yeah, no, I never like sat through it. I never was like a murder she ropers and there was that whole thing a few years ago, like fanfare had a whole murder. She wrote period for a while there that I don't know if it ever really solidified. But a few people were going for it. And I appreciated that. Possibly that was them that may have started. As a joke. Someone made offhand in a in a fanfare thread. About like, Well, yeah, people want to watch the entire back run of Murder She Wrote, you know, it's fine. Right. So I was like, Well, now that you mentioned it. But anyway, Murder She Wrote Jessica Fletcher. Yes. Good stuff. There is a new podcast called altered states from God's God's spell. Yes, gospel of Wesley Willis, just doing a radio show about altered state stuff. So you can check that out if you'd like listening to podcasts and never have time to.

Jessamyn 33:00 Great, great, great, great. And Yankee fog has a thing, which is about lyric McKarrick. Good secret librarian, which I just love to say out loud in the first place. But these are great. I believe graphic novels because they're illustrated by Verbrugge bros Gaul award winning blah, blah, blah. And it looks super cool. And I should get this one and the one in front of it. Yes. But very excited. Yankee fog seems to be excited and died. Digest. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

Cortex 33:43 And as a another thing that's happening very soon. I'll just have to get this podcast up relatively promptly. I guess. There is a robe like celebration. Yeah. In San Francisco dreamy shade posted about. They were one of the CO organizers of this is the third time they've done this just for people who like roguelikes get together and doing. I think they do talks and they just like, hang out. And it's like, it's a little sort of like no conference thing for roguelike fans.

Jessamyn 34:14 That's so cool. I kind of love that you can have like these little mini conferences for like, lots of stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, there's a guy who I got in touch with to give some of my dad's old data gen stuff because he runs like a computer museum kind of, and they're having like a 50th anniversary of when we built this computer thing at his place. And you know, there's still enough kind of old timers around. I'm gonna send you a link because it's actually pretty cool that they can have people come to this conference. It's the Nova at 50 conference. I think this is kind of right before my father really was involved. But people are talking about like these old computers, some of which still work. And it's like a day and a half of old timers talking about the thing that they're jazzed about. And it's cool. Nice. Yeah. Cute little website. And I just FedExed a box of like, I don't know, 30 pounds of old, like, you know, data Gen computer manuals from the 80s to the sky. So, yeah. Sweet, I think so.

Cortex 35:44 All right, well, now now is the time on the program where we talk about you being on Jesse Ventura TV show,

Jessamyn 35:50 right? So this was funny, right? I mean, like many things in my life, it just kind of like showed up. I got an email from his production manager or whatever. So he does a little like TV show. Right? It's on RT America. So I don't really know that much about our T, except that they do Russian propaganda RT Russia. And it's on YouTube. Let me see if I have a link. Handy. I may not? Well, the the easy link I see is about Palestine. So we're not going to do. But like, let me see if I can just other people listening to other people do computer the worst? Hold on. So at any rate, they contacted me, and we're like, hey, you know, former governor, Jesse Ventura is really interested in doing a show on the digital divide, would you be able to talk about it, blah. And I was like, Sure, that sounds great. You know, I love talking about this stuff. And my general rule of thumb is when media asks you to talk about a thing, unless you think, you know, it's Jerry Springer, some shit, you know, you say yes. Right. Because, generally speaking, it's more important to get coverage for stuff like the digital divide than it is to have them speak to somebody who knows more than me, even though who knows, at any rate, so they were like, Great, we'll find a local studio, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, good luck with that local studio. And so they're like, good news, local studio in Burlington, which is like over an hour from here. And I'm like, Okay, fine, whatever, I'm into it. I have the day free, right? And they're like, we'll send a car for you. And I'm like, so cool. Send a car. Then it turns out, they're just gonna, like, send an Uber for me. Alright, fine. Whatever, Uber. I didn't, I didn't want to go through the whole, like, I don't really use Uber because, um, and so then I'm, like, waiting for the Uber at my house. And the Uber fucking cancels five minutes after it's supposed to pick me up. Right?

Who knows? I mean, if I were Uber, I wouldn't want that job. Right? Because basically, what happens is they only get paid to drive me the one way, right? Yeah. And then they're in the middle of, you know, but fuck Egypt, or they have to, like, Come out to get me. And then at any rate, it doesn't it's not a valid good value proposition for them. So cancel. So I'm like texting with these women. And I'm like, Uber cancelled. They were like, oh, we'll just grab a cab. I'm like, I don't think you understand what rural Vermont is. Like, like, there is no cab. Like, we don't have a cab. There's or there's one cap and I can't get it to my house. I'm just like, you have no, they're like, hold on. We'll we'll figure it out. As if I don't know something. So yeah, I was like, Look, I can just drive myself. It's no big deal. Can you guys reimburse me for mileage? Oh, sure. Great. No problem. Okay, good. So get their park, they've given me the wrong address for the studio because they copy pasted it wrong. So I mean, again, like it's just so funny to me, because they're like, you know, theoretically like, ooh, professional TV show. And then they're also kinda like, whatever. And so I go to the studio, which is basically kind of like a studio that all they do is like remotes, right? So it's like one dude with a bunch of computers. And then a room with a comfy chair, a makeup mirror, a place to leave your bag, a backdrop that you can change to different pictures, although I was late at this point, because, you know, I was supposed to have been in an Uber 20 minutes earlier. So the backdrop is like where I would be outside like Church Street and Burlington, though I did find out afterwards that there was a backdrop that's just wall of books, which would have been really cool. So I have an earpiece, so I don't even get to see the guy and Mike, and they just like SEBI, they're propped me up and he's in my ear talking. Oh, just a man. Or a he. I mean, he had my name wrong and like a weird way to Jessamyn I don't know he said my name strange but Uh, you know, they give me the questions in advance so I could do some research. And basically he's like, you know, now that I have more time in my life, I really love to read. Like, that is awesome, sir. I'm really happy to hear that reading is good for you. I do a lot of reading. Yeah, you know, I go down to Mexico in the winter, and I take, you know, a dozen books with me. I'm like, That is cool. It's like, but I don't have a cell phone. And I'm like, Yep, I bet your wife does, though. Yeah, she does, you know, but I'm not gonna have one. I'm like, it's not really the same if you just choose not to then if you don't have cell service. And so this was all just patter. And then like, you know, he asked me these questions. There's eight of them. It goes kind of like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. I'm like, Well, sir, Baba, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, this thing. That thing? The library is super important. digital divides important. Fuck the FCC, blah, although it was on television, so I couldn't say fuck. Like, I did ask them. I'm like, how much swearing? Can I do? And they're like, We're on TV. So you can do a television amount of swearing. And I was like, Alright, I don't, I don't need I don't need swearing. I only enjoy swearing. But basically, it was just super short. Like, I didn't get to see him. Which would have been fun. So once once it airs, and I think it's gonna be like on TV. Like, I mean, I think you can get it on cable TV, in addition to being on YouTube. will be the first time I've seen it. I don't know what I look like. You know, like, I mean, I did the best I could, but like, what can you do? And he's just like a kind of avuncular old grandpa dude, like, super friendly, not really highfalutin. Yeah, and then I drove home, via, you know, some tiny library that I totally enjoyed, and ate at my favorite restaurant that I totally enjoyed the end of just how Jessamyn got on TV. I mean, I wish it were kind of a weird, better story. But the most interesting part of the story was how difficult it was to get there.

Cortex 42:07 Yeah, because, you know, it's

Jessamyn 42:09 digital divide stuff. So there's not really, I mean, there's no conflict there. Right. Like, we should be doing more to help these people. Leaving. I mean, what I was afraid it was going to turn into was like a free market fight. Because I know he's kind of a libertarian. You know, so I was afraid I was gonna be like, government needs to fucking step up. And he was gonna be like, No way small government is the way but that was not at all the case. He was mostly kind of mad at the FCC, same as I was, so that was cool.

Cortex 42:37 All right. Coming together, yeah, I

Jessamyn 42:40 will let everybody know when I'm gonna be on television. And hopefully I don't look like a gibbering idiot. I mean, I pretty much don't like I'm not actually worried. I'm gonna look like a tool. But there is like a little naggy part of me that's like, but you might. You know, I usually do pretty good on these things, but you might not. So we'll see.

Cortex 43:04 Let us discuss the metal filter, the old metal filter.

Jessamyn 43:11 Great. I had one thread I was heavily involved in and then other threads I liked for different reasons. But because it's you know, whatever you're calling this sort of time in our lives. This whole thing about Linus Torvalds. Oh, yeah, Linux adopting a code of conduct right before the New Yorker article came out. That said He's a pain in the ass, which we all knew, right? I mean, my guess is, he's someone who's not good at social cues. And he's a jerk, and he doesn't dial back his Turkishness because he doesn't have to. Yeah, right. And now he has to, because it's affecting the brand. And okay, but the thread was pretty interesting. I mean, it went a lot of the ways the meta filter threads go. But it was kind of an interesting. I mean, you know, I think it's, I think it's a meaty topic, when you have kind of this cult of personality kind of thing. And then you have to deal with well, what's the thing if it doesn't have the guy who's in charge of the thing? And how's that going to work? And other people have been in other projects that did or did not work. Other people have just gotten completely out of Linux? Because, you know, they hate that guy, or they hate the people that support him. Yeah, well, and there's some interesting stuff that I read. I think it's linked from this thread, but not in this thread. You know, that people were like, well, that's just what it's like, it's rough and tumble. And then you get these women who are like, actually, we're kinda like high powered Linux developers. But we found when we stepped up and tried to be abusive, I mean, not abusive, but when we just try to push back In ways that we were told was just the way things were, that wasn't okay, either. Like, it's only the guys who got to act this way. Women were still expected to just deal with it, but not fight with everybody else. So it was it was interesting. It was an interesting thread. And it didn't get to argue bargain. Now they're talking about Richard Stallman. So I Nokta, right? I mean, he's his own.

Cortex 45:25 Right. It's like, so like, I, I sort of I was growing into being a programmer and, and Linux nerd back in like the late 90s, when like, it was really starting to like be a fucking thing, like Torvalds have been working on it for for some years before then, of course, there's all the existing Unix codebase as well, you know, BSD and so on. But like Linux, as Linux was really like, hitting its stride as like, oh, shit, this is really a thing. And companies were trying to get on board and like, you know, Red Hat and all the others were like, spinning up as like, actual real great shot.

Jessamyn 46:04 I remember when that happened. That was very, you know, yeah. Basically, and

Cortex 46:09 so like, like, like this whole, you know, RMS and ESR and Linus. All like we're becoming.

Jessamyn 46:17 That's right. You say it the right way.

Cortex 46:21 Long exposure? I think, can I stop and say Linus? Oh, man, I hadn't thought about that. Anyway, like, these were kind of like figureheads. These were like, major cultural figures in sort of, like my college scene as like, you know, these names and whatnot. We went to a Linux conference in New York City one time in like 2000. It was like a big hole, you know, conference center, just like sprawling wild wall with Linux related booths and internet stuff, and so on. And I remember at some point, someone spotted RMS, I think, and there was like, a bunch of like, 20 Something college kids standing around. Like sort of pointing and like giggling is like, Oh, man. So once you go talk to me like that, sort of, and Commander taco and the other Slashdot people are hanging beanbags off in the distance

Jessamyn 47:12 and so on. He was an early Linux, Linux guy, Slashdot covered Linux

Cortex 47:17 a ton. I don't know that commander. They were basically on paper. Yeah, exactly. So like, you know, the association very strongly. And they were sort of media celebrities in the Linux world because they were doing media. I just looked back at all that and like, like, all of the big names have turned out to be somewhere between hassles and giant holes. They're like, and like, Linux, I can imagine that context. Oh, yeah. You know, no, I mean, like, like RMS and the RMS is like, Nutter ESR is a huge asshole. Like, by comparison, Linus may actually be kind of a relatively chill asshole. As far as

Jessamyn 47:55 that's true. He's just, you know, too abusive to be in.

Cortex 48:00 And I look at the timeline. And I think here's someone who became the figurehead and the Steve Jobs of what has turned out to be a monumental technological things.

Jessamyn 48:11 Also, by all accounts, a terrific ask, yeah.

Cortex 48:13 And so you put Linus in this position where he's like, having this tremendous amount of success and responsibility and attention, like in I think, like his 20s, essentially. And like, is there a worst possible time to set up some do to not develop a sense of decency and boundaries and checking his ship and to like, lavish, all that on him? Like, right then and so like, I can sort of scan it in a way that like, I'm not going to make apologies for him being an asshole because I, as far as I can tell, the problem is, he's been an asshole for years and years and years, right. But I can at least see it being sort of like an organic thing where maybe there is a way for him to stop and turn that shit around by stopping and saying, oh, you know what, whereas like, there are people who are like, You're an asshole at 40 because you are going to be an asshole your entire life, because you will never even try

Jessamyn 49:02 because you just have problems, right? Yeah.

Cortex 49:04 So I'm curious, anyway,

Jessamyn 49:05 said is the culture of Linux needs to change. And unfortunately, it's a culture that was built in a large part by a bunch of terrific assholes. Yeah. And so how does the culture change to be like, hey Linus way to you know, like, here's the question like, I mean, and it was a big question in the thread, like, do you think the guy for finally doing the right thing in order to try and help move forward with it with a positive attitudes? Yeah, or do you be like, well, thank Fucking Christ that Dick, like, Fuck him? Let's move on. And you know, people are saying like, the former is gonna work better than the latter. But for a lot of people, you know, with somebody who's just been terrible for so long. It feels bad to be like, Thank you for finally doing the right yeah,

Cortex 49:47 like I get both of those reactions. Like they there's a tactical aspect to both of them, and there's like a sense of justice. I mean, there's definitely a sense of righteous justice to saying okay, great. Thanks for apologizing now do better Don't go fuck yourself. Like, I really feel that like I get that. But at the same time, I understand people taking the tack of like, well, hey, that looks like at least a concrete step in the right direction. So hey, that's good, you know? And it's like, how do you sort those out? Exactly, I think they just sort of exist in superposition, because it works cleanly to one or the other.

Jessamyn 50:20 Exactly. I mean, that's the same feeling I have. And the other like, little kind of awesome part of this whole thing was that the code of conduct that got adopted for contributor con, code of conduct is from coralayne, who used to work at GitHub, wrote a very long thing about how shitty it was to work at GitHub that I should have read before I started working at GitHub, and has just been kind of a really interesting, sort of open source contributor person, because she's got a bunch of interesting backstory, she, you know, was fired or left GitHub after a really contentious like, she's one of those people who got hired to get out because she was telling GitHub, everything that was wrong with GitHub, and she was right. And then she tried to change things at GitHub and realize that the culture at GitHub was not ready for that but she made this you know, sort of contributor Code of Conduct Code of Conduct thing that basically any group that wants can can fork and use for their own stuff, which was incredible, but having Linux pick up on it really gives it that extra kind of own that indicates that the things she is doing are the right things you know what I mean? And that made me happy because I've been following her I think she's a really interesting person I mean ups and downs right like anybody but I was really happy you know that that that that was part of the whole thing because that was a little bit of a kind of a redemption for some of the shit she's been dealing with. Yeah. Which I thought was good. So you know just another just another thumbs up interesting part of that

Unknown Speaker 52:19 yeah

Cortex 52:29 a goofy more metal filter centric thing I liked is we had a good old fashioned longboard thread spin up in a in a post about someone struggling thing

Jessamyn 52:41 I had to leave I mean I got it and then I was like, I cannot I Yes, I can I continue to be here but yes, so tell me more.

Cortex 52:53 Yes so so someone Haiti March at Costco writes big did a long long stunt where every word of her Twitter stream every every tweet year yes, of course a very long time. See and like this is not the only person who's done this too so I'm like mixing up which detail is But yeah, basically like the first word of each tweet over a very long time was in reverse order the lyrics to Bohemian Rhapsody that's like Africa of the name but basically so there was a medical to post about that because that was delightful Okay, that's that's a long form stent to pull off and and then straight made a medical post about that. And then everybody just sort of collectively through it on doing the same thing in the thread and it just like went on for length. And it was it was beautiful. And I love you all that's some good goofing.

Jessamyn 54:01 Ah, speaking of good goofing. I didn't actually, like this article. That not the water linked to at all, but I enjoyed the meta filter thread that came out of it. You can tell a lot about a person based on their slang for vomit, money or semen. And it's a single link Mel post like melas when those things it just showed up all of the goddamn sudden as like a medium match. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 54:31 they're of

Jessamyn 54:33 the damn sudden

Cortex 54:34 Yeah, I feel like I've been seeing it like the last couple months popping up and I listen, I'm not I'm not clear on whether they're like associated with medium or just using the whole because you can do that thing where you can spin up basically your own organized publication that is sub branded on medium and I'm not sure if

Jessamyn 54:48 they have any other brands do they but a lot of their stuff is very What do I type M L E L? A lot of their stuff is real. really catchy, like super catchy. Ah, this is nice. You type Mel into DuckDuckGo. And the first thing it gives you is the Michigan E library. Da da. Oba Mel magazine is right up there. I mean, I felt like it came all the way out of left field. Like I felt like I was asleep. And I woke up 10 years later, and there's a new magazine.

Cortex 55:22 Someone's just making a very organized effort with that.

Jessamyn 55:25 Yeah, and so good on them. So this was kind of a dumb article,

Cortex 55:29 unless it turned out to be terrible in which case Shame on them.

Jessamyn 55:32 Well, like there's no like a bow like, I just hate

Cortex 55:35 the weirdness like and I mean, it's funny. It's like it's not like we would expect like,

Jessamyn 55:40 oh, Seth graves wrote that bell magazine. Yeah, like I want to mass head who are these people? About Mel magazine. I could,

Cortex 55:52 anyway. Yes, vomiting and pooping and whatnot.

Jessamyn 55:58 It's just one of those happy white people magazines. sex relationships, health, and it's kind of a dudes thing. But yeah, so you can tell a lot about people by the words they use for slang for vomit money or semen. I don't know about that. But I enjoyed the conversation because it's just Meadville to rebuild talking about the words they have and that is

Cortex 56:20 fun. Yeah, that sounds like a good setup.

Jessamyn 56:24 Ends up RG Park has a very funny comment when and with whom am I talking about semen? I'm a 48 year old guy who works in schools but so whatever. It's just a grab s thread and I enjoyed being a part of it. Even though the article whatever not the water. Sorry, I didn't love it. But I was happy to have you know, I'm on Team cache puke comm great. So happy for you. kiss your mother with that mouth.

Cortex 56:56 Internet thing that I very much liked was Did you catch the whole bows that thing?

Jessamyn 57:00 Boy, Josh, it's a good thing you exist in my life.

Cortex 57:06 Okay, so. So,

Jessamyn 57:08 wait, was this about how Donald Trump's Dick looks like that?

Cortex 57:13 No, I was not gonna bring that up at all. Stormy Daniels. Sorry, stormy Daniels did give some sort of the press availability where she established that she can in fact identify his penis and looks kind of like it's got Toad from that Mario game on it, or the mushroom. But she didn't even use the name toad. But anyway, that burnt everybody's eyeballs out for a couple days. And then,

Jessamyn 57:37 because Nintendo had a really funny like, social media response to right, like, Oh, we're trending. Oh, god.

Cortex 57:44 Yeah, I saw a lot of screaming Toad imagery. Yeah. Well, a few days later, I think more or less by Sir like coincidence. But as a bit like brain cleanser, it worked out pretty well. Someone just did up a comic where they suggested the idea that so in, in Super Mario Brothers Wii U. They keep making them, they keep being perfectly nice, good, fun games. But anyway, when that came out, they're re releasing it on the Nintendo Switch, which is the new Nintendo system. And they've added a special ability for one of the characters so there's the character Toadette, who's like a pigtailed mushroom person. She can get a super crown item which turns her into a Princess Peach type character like the big like, mainstay Princess ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom, humanoid but with like Toadette like pigtails and whatnot. So it's like it's it's a Princess Peach ish. Toadette or a Toadette ish Princess Peach. It's like all right. So anyway, that's that's the Super crown as the head of that does that and someone's like, well, what if? What if Bowser put on the Super crown and it turned him into like a princess peach? Yeah, and it turns out the name bows that is what people settled on even though people have made several arguments that that's not the way you should mash up the words. But anyway, bows had turned into thing and the entire internet stopped and started drawing pictures of bows at in a variety of degrees of not say for weakness. Some people really really got got super horny on Main with this one. But there's also some that aren't just giant like Bear breasts and whatnot. So you know, a little bit of caution when you ghost screaming through it, but it's kind of delightful how much people just got super into just running with his character idea and iterations on it and the wide variety of interpretation everything from a slightly more female presenting giant turtle King to like a, you know,

Jessamyn 59:54 like big titted anime girls with fangs.

Cortex 59:57 I would say that's the probably the median My take on it, but a lot of variety and is and it was like, as much as anything it was like a moment cuz like if you say okay, but what if a bunch of people did different drawings of this vague character idea that's just going on constantly that's like that's weird illustration like, fandom period. But the intense focus for a couple of days, right? We'll just go nuts on this was kind of

Jessamyn 1:00:22 this whole thread is just crazy people and then reaction gifts, and then pictures and then reaction gifts. And yeah,

Cortex 1:00:32 it's crazy. There's a little bit of critical discussion in the medical thread about like sussing out, like the, the positive sides of this as, hey, you know, a lot of people are taking this as sort of, like, you know, positive take on gender fluidity and commentary within the trans community on trans identity, whatnot. And on the other hand, boy, there sure is a whole lot of what if this thing that we wouldn't normally fuck is a thing we can flick now, and that's kind of problematic, and how do you assess, you know, how do you how do you sort of sort all that out? And I think the real answer is, it's the internet, a whole lot is going on, and maybe you don't completely sort that out. But all in all, it seemed like overall, people had a ton of fun with it. And it was just this weird goofy phenomena and I think the idea of like, sort of like doing this and Nintendo being Oh, fuck, what did we do? There were a couple funny different takes on on that. There's a great little bit from there's a link in here somewhere. There's a guy who I probably linked to before but he does lots and lots of short little video commentary. Oh, pro ZD. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:01:32 I just love the title to Nintendo makes mistake gives internet ideas. Yep,

Cortex 1:01:37 exactly. I got I scrolled acid linked or three times 12 There we go. Yes, I know. I was panicking. I wanted to get done without searching and so I took too much time not searching so anyway, yes, this comment links to a good video on the subject of Nintendo being Oh shit. From someone show. Yes, that was the thing. That was the thing that happened.

Jessamyn 1:02:05 I got a rep for you know should I don't know anything about for some reason I'm really into the Philadelphia Flyers new mascot. Oh, you know how every now and again, everybody starts hating the thing that you didn't even know was a thing yet. And I mean, not hate but you know what I mean? Like people are just like what? So like, gritty was announced. The new googly eyed hot dog loving mascot, who might be a love crafty and old one. And it just seems like a whole bunch of people are like, I hate that thing. Like, like immediately. And I don't know, he's orange, and he's got googly eyes. And it makes me laugh. And so I appreciated the metal filter thread to give me a little bit of I guess, I don't know shit about hockey. Like, I know a little bit about some sports. But with hockey. I really like I'm up to about Bobby Orr. And the fact that everybody's mostly finished nowadays. And that's all I know. Yeah. So I enjoyed getting to look at this thread, so that I could figure out what is going on. And I do follow along with robot hero in this thread. Mondo mascots, on Twitter. So if you like mascots, which I do, you will see a lot of weird mascots.

Cortex 1:03:23 Yeah, I think I think Angela ended up finding that Twitter link. Because I read and she was like, This is amazing. Have you seen this? And I was like, oh, yeah, no, I've seen that. Just why didn't you tell me I was like, oh, but it's just it's one of those things. It's on Twitter to get but I don't use Twitter. They Oh, right. Right. And I don't use Twitter. She just she never jumped to Twitter habit and honestly good for. But I I've never followed that account, either. But people probably including you just like retweeted occasionally. And so probably a week doesn't go by that. I don't see, you know, one or two mascots. It's like, oh, yeah, no, I have already caught up on that. I know that to things. I don't need to make an effort. Right, which was both good and bad, I guess. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:04:05 And there's just a whole bunch of like dumb links in that thread like this, like Twitter thread. That's just this guy who photoshopped a new mascot into the back of a bunch of stock images.

So I don't know. I don't know why I like it. I don't know why other people don't like it. But just in general. It was a thread that made me happy. That was good. Twitter little Oh, I just have one quick, inner. So the guy who made real twitter dot twitter, like real, which if you really want to look at Twitter, only with the people you follow and their tweets, you can go to real it'll redirect to a search that does that Aaron Sparling, and that's the thing that like Andy bio, kind of, like said would be a good idea. And then Aaron made it. And then I asked him like, hey, you know what I really enjoy. What I really enjoy is like those that my favorite Twitter joke is people being like, this website is free and then linking to some hilarious thing that has happened. And so I was joke start real redirect to this website is free. And that was a great idea that I had a couple weeks ago. And then the fucking Twitter Official account tweeted, you know, I can't believe that this website is free. Like, like being better on their own on other people joking about it?

Cortex 1:05:36 Yeah. Which No, guys, no one's fighting it. No, you can't. No one's gonna say, Oh, I guess Where's cool after all,

Jessamyn 1:05:44 right? We can't believe this website is free. And I just so now if you got a joke, start real You can get the jokes. But it's also a lot of people talk into Twitter in this dumb thread. And I guess there was some, like, if you translate that into different I think Arabic languages, it sounds different. Because a lot of the responses are from people responding in Arabic, as if Twitter is going to make the website not free. Until you look at the replies and there's a lot of weird, not weird, but like unusual to me like Arabic meme responses, which is interesting. So that was your Twitter moment.

Cortex 1:06:56 I will mention two things quickly passing that we go to ask medical tourists, we have some time for that. There is a thread that I have been sort of enjoying getting caught up on the history of the lawsuit by the estate of the songwriter for the band Spirit, who guess years ago sued, Led Zeppelin or Jimmy Page over plagiarizing copyright violating the song Taurus, which has a similar five note descending line. I'm not going to get into it other than this was a court case. And now it's a court case again, and there's oral arguments from the like Apple appellate like proceedings in the ninth circuit. And that's kind of interesting, if you're into that. And people if you suddenly have an opinion about this, it's probably represented somewhere. And it's not super long, but relatively discursive. So they're

Jessamyn 1:07:44 kind of fun to hear a lawyer say fresh garbage a bunch of times to a bunch of judges. While he's making that very argument.

Cortex 1:07:51 I found these oral arguments surprisingly interesting. Like I didn't think I was necessarily going to but it's like, oh, yeah, no, I'm into this.

Jessamyn 1:07:57 I love this thread. And I don't know much about this lawsuit that yeah,

Cortex 1:08:01 it's an interesting back reading, basically, as part of it. Like there's something that go dig into I don't have anything to say about it right now. But there's some interesting stuff. And a few strong opinions about Jimmy Page and the thread. There's also a shortish profile from escabeche. Oh, it's John Urschel or is a president slide.

Jessamyn 1:08:23 This article is great. And I can give you a little bit of backstory on this actually, was originally asked to write this for New York Times magazine on spec. And so went,

Cortex 1:08:37 what it was they asked him to write it on spec, just I mean, fucked up anyway. I

Jessamyn 1:08:43 don't exactly know they asked him to write about it. But the what he got them wasn't what they wanted. Okay, so I'm not exactly sure. In fact, Jordan may listen to this podcast, and he may tell us but it was originally kind of, I think pitched New York Times Magazine, but he wound up publishing it on Hulu daily, which is some people that he knows he shopped it around a little bit, but so this has been in the works for a while and he got to meet this guy and like Jordans a professional mathematician, professor in Wisconsin, and he was just stoked, because like, you know, Urschel is amazing, right? Like he was an NFL guy who is arguably very talented NFL. Now he's going and talented at NFL

Cortex 1:09:25 by very talented at that as well. One of the greatest NFL history of leagues.

Jessamyn 1:09:32 He was very good at football and left to go get a PhD at MIT. And it kind of ignores the article for the first two thirds of it, kind of the elephant in the room, which is that like, that's in and of itself, super unusual. But just being in black mathematician is its own very small club, you know, and so this guy is really a unique individual and also by all accounts kinda cool. And so I feel like Jordan really got a lot of the aspects of this guy's personality wrapped up in that article. And I just thought it was so good. Like, I read it before it was on Metafilter because he should be centered around us. And I was just like, oh, so good. So good.

Cortex 1:10:15 Ya know, it's interesting, because like, yeah, the the opening of the article sort of takes on the notion that, you know, there are commonalities in the way mathematicians think, but otherwise mathematician, they're very, like, you know, unpredictable and diverse and sort of, like, you know, the kind of people they are, and then the later part of the article surrogates who, except they're white, you know, or, you know, right. There's probably

Jessamyn 1:10:41 certain kinds of kids get pushed towards math, and they're often not big black kids. Yeah. push towards sports.

Cortex 1:10:48 Yeah. Mathematician. Yeah. So the systemic effects of just kind of demographic expectations and systemic racism, the United States is a big part. It's not like, you know, only 1.5% of PhDs are black, because only 1.5% of PhDs are the smart enough kids who could be possibly PhDs. It's no, it's, we live in a very racist society. And, you know, black kids are not going to have the same opportunities just in general, as a result of that, and so you filter that through a couple layers up to something like, you know, getting a doctorate. Yeah, yeah. It's the system is not working in people's favor. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's a fun right up. It's good. Jordan is a good writer. We've talked about his book before.

Jessamyn 1:11:33 Yeah, well, not to be wrong, which is also a very good book, if you're kind of interested in math, but only it kind of a hobby level. And you don't like reading really complicated math?

Cortex 1:11:41 Yeah. Yes. Nice and accessible. It's funny when I was reading this, this article by Jordan, like I got in this headspace, where I immediately started like thinking like I was reading an article by Michael Lewis, who's another guy who writes about math and about sports, and specifically sort of math and sports. He's the guy who wrote Moneyball and Yeah, and so I was like, the tone felt just a little bit weird as I can't get what's different about this one? Oh, it's not a Michael Lewis article. It's this guy is not. Right, right. Right. I just got fooled by math in sports.

Jessamyn 1:12:12 Yeah, I mean, Jordan is such a great, I mean, he's arguably really good at, you know, math and teaching also, but like, he's got a really great writing style, where you can really get your head around, kind of what he's talking about. And that is cool, too.

Cortex 1:12:25 Yeah, it's good. Good stuff. All right. Should we talk about AskMe? Metafilter? Yeah, I think committed to the panel that we had discussed.

Jessamyn 1:12:34 I had a bunch of stuff. I always like it when somebody's trying to buy a car. Because there's the thread of how to negotiate for the car you want. In this case, it was from Greg Jr. He wants to buy a new car. And he's like, how do you do it? I don't want to fight with people. I just, you know, I would like to not pay more than I have to but I don't want to rip people you know, I don't want to I don't want to totally like dick around and try and you know, you want the guy that sells you the car or the lady but I've literally never met a female car salesperson. You want the person who's selling you the car to not like take a bath on it. But like how do I get the best price for me. And I like these threads. And they're super helpful. And there's a great a great post by corolle J cara cara H. Who's really like, here's what I did. I really enjoyed it. This is what I did, blah. And I liked these threads, because if you can find them, they can really help make car buying much easier for you. And you go in with much more knowledge. So

Cortex 1:13:44 I think it's kind of Augie. It's one of my favorite things to order from a food cart near here. It's a kind of Japanese fried chicken. It's a food. Well, I mean, I don't know for sure that it is but Karachi certainly is a food that may not be specifically with age, but those two those two A's together. Look. You see double vowels sometimes in Japanese, you see double vowels. Okay, anyway, I'm voting. I'm voting for fried chicken and find out if anybody

Jessamyn 1:14:13 updates us I'm voting for someone named Cara.

Cortex 1:14:16 But that's not what their name is in the profile. Shut up. I won't say what their name is. I just love to say it. I I liked this question. And eyebrows McGee and possibly another mod and possibly another random fit sent me links to it saying, Oh, hey, this is for you. Right. I

Jessamyn 1:14:33 didn't even understand this fucking question. It's a little bit okay. It took me a while. It's all about what tessellate right. Yeah, question. Yeah,

Cortex 1:14:41 I think that is and it's a question from MIDI Xu puppet saying, hey, I want to cut petit fours in interesting shapes from sheet cake, petty force, a petty for whatever. I mean, thank you

Yeah, they're trying to get they're trying to get tessellated petit fours out of like a sheet cake with like long straight cuts essentially. And so the more general question would be like, what can you like tile the plane with? But that's a very broad question. And it seems like from the way they're asking the questions like, I want to not do something incredibly fucking fiddly. So what kind of designs can I get? Just by making long putts? What's

Jessamyn 1:15:24 wrong with diamonds?

Cortex 1:15:26 Yeah. Then diamonds are fine. And that's the thing like, you know, basically, triangles and quadrilaterals. You can do you do parallelograms and triangles with the strict definition they put in the question. And it sounds like from their later update, maybe they're okay with something new is parallelograms. Right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, triangles are really just sort of like a sub case of parallelograms, where you then add a third axis of cuts, right. And if you don't want any waste, and if you don't want to have to have non straight lines, you know, if you don't want to have to, like dodge around, then that's kind of is if you are willing to loosen the rules a little bit. There's a few different ways you go. And certain people sort of offered like, well, if you're willing, then you can do this. And so I'm really curious to see what they end up doing. I think their principle is good, because like, if you can just make those long, straight cuts, it's so much easier than like, cutting out a pan of perfectly tiled hexagons would be a pain in the ass. Like maybe worth it if what you want in some shape more than you want it not to be paying the answer, but it's a pain in the ass. I refrained from even suggesting doing complex tiling of pentagon and Pentagon related shapes because that would just be the worst thing in the world. But I swear I don't want to do that myself now.

Jessamyn 1:16:33 Right? If you want the answer, not the one that was asked. We see it all the time in political debates. Yep. more rare on ask but it filter. Although occasionally, like you're a terrible person, that's not the question I asked.

Cortex 1:16:49 Yep. Yep.

Jessamyn 1:16:52 I enjoyed, enjoyed, maybe it's the wrong word. This question about etiquette school, did I miss a day of etiquette school because I was leaning on somebody's car. And they were mad. At and this was, you know, kind of this is rocket badger asking kind of a question. Like, you know, I did this. And I don't know why somebody got mad. But it had a whole bunch of different, you know, responses about people being actually like, well, you know, that actually is kind of a social thing you should know about even though I think that person was a jerk to you in their responses. And so there's a lot of people explaining etiquette and what they expect, and a lot of strong, you know, opinions about car culture in America are blahdy blahdy, blahdy, blah. And I don't know I liked it, because I like reading people's different takes on you know, editing things. In fact, that lines up exactly with another question. Let me see if I can find it real quick. Oh, am I an antisocial roommate, which was just from a couple days ago, and I actually left a comment. Because basically, they're like, We I live in an apartment to other people. There's no living room, there's just a kitchen, I stay in my room a lot of times with the door close. But like, Where else would I hang out? Am I antisocial? Is this a roommate code? I don't understand. This is I am super. And you know, people have different opinions. And of course, it's metal filter. So almost everybody's like no way hanging out your room is the best thing. But you know, people elaborate on that. Like, it really depends on public law. But it's it's fun listening to people untangle kind of the first principles of something like that situation, right? Because if there's a living room, well, it's a living room you hang out together, but like if the only place you can hang out in the kitchen, like being in there with your laptop while somebody else is trying to make dinner that's antisocial or can be. And in fact, I just learned a lot reading what people had to say.

Cortex 1:18:56 Yeah, it's interesting. I haven't really had a opportunity to really measure that in my own life. Living I

Jessamyn 1:19:05 mean, ever since I've known you you've lived with Angela like, did you have like a live with a bunch of roommates situation before college and before you live with her?

Cortex 1:19:14 No, no. After? I had like roommates all throughout college. Sure. And she actually moved out to where I was going to college about halfway through. Yeah. How did you guys meet? We met like in we were both in high school. We were both at like a science nerd. thing. Basically. We were both doing science apprenticeships one summer, and we met at like the mid summer conference and became friends and hung out and Oh, through high school that

Jessamyn 1:19:43 was I was I was always curious because I'm like, oh, it's interesting. Your family's kind of lived near each other and yeah, I just assumed that was I don't know maybe lifted bet in Portland. That's cool. All right.

Cortex 1:19:54 Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Like like the closest thing I had to a chance to be and antisocial roommate was my freshman year of college when my roommate and I we had a double were we talked a lot in ICQ and and the chat in Quake facing away from each other 15 feet away from each other. I love it. I love it. Why not? Yeah. So but then

Jessamyn 1:20:22 like a grown up live with roommates Scituate Yeah. No, never have Oh my God. See, I had nothing. bichromate live grown up live with roommates situations for the most part until I got married. And then after I got divorced, I had more grown up look. Wow, did I sort of I had kind of half fish roommates like it was more like it was my place. But then I would rent out a room to somebody kind of situation where I'd have like hobos from library school live with me, or whatever. But yeah, it gives you a different perspective on that kind of stuff, I think. Yeah, totally. And you just kind of assumed like you work out roommate stuff when you're younger. And then when you're older. Everybody knows all the rules, but I don't know if that's true or not. Yeah.

Cortex 1:21:03 Yeah, I mean, I've I've gone on beach weekends with friends. I've had friend crash for a week or two. But that's like, it's not really quite the same thing. That's more I'm hosting them like roommates and sprained enough timeline that like, you know, right, you're like, yeah, exactly. It's good thing because my friends are pieces of shit

Unknown Speaker 1:21:26 are lovely.

Cortex 1:21:27 I have very good friends. I've never regretted putting folks up. As much as I also don't go out of my way to put folks up because it turns out I like having like, not people.

Jessamyn 1:21:38 I'm a people person. In my house.

Cortex 1:21:43 There was a couple other asks that I liked. I mentioned several more, but it's it's actually happening. I'll mention them. There was a question from Rocky Raccoon about how to the very same, by the way, hi, guys, it's me, the the raccoon from The Beatles song. What can we do to honor gender pronouns as event planners, which

Jessamyn 1:22:08 was really interesting, I read this, do they provide

Cortex 1:22:11 buttons or stickers with pronouns on them? You know, what's what's a good approach to be inclusive without putting people on the spot essentially?

Jessamyn 1:22:20 Well, cuz that's the thing, right? If you're, if you strongly encourage everyone to use one, you may make people kind of be in an awkward situation where they have to out themselves inadvertently. And that's not any good. Yeah. But it is good to sort of encourage people to, you know, talk about and understand pronouns. Yeah.

Cortex 1:22:38 And I think like the idea, I think that comes up a lot every time I run into this at like, an event or something, which Expo was very big about this. There's a local sort of creative tech conference in town called donut dot Jas, it's big about this is like the idea of providing options without like, you know, mandating options. So like Echo provided pins with like pronoun. You know, he him she heard, they them asked me like these nice enamel pins, actually, that you could just like pin on to your nametag lanyard if you wanted to. Versus like putting a field that was like printed on the nametag. Listen or leave it blank. Yeah, you know, and like some people were like, Well, it'd be nice if it was on the nametag because it'd be more legible because these were beautiful little enamel pins like sort of gold cursive font on a black background, but they were also you kind of had to like get your face three inches from them to figure out which one it was because they all look like gold cursive on a black background is like they're beautiful. And they are fantastic idea and they just didn't work, you know, but making people print like a fixed pronoun field on their nametag would also not be great. So maybe stickers, maybe something that's just more legible, something color coded, you know, providing options seems like a good thing and providing options with the expectation that people will understand and expect that that may be part of what people are sharing seems really useful, like normalizing the idea that this is a thing that people can do. And like you can just say, Oh, by the way, without making it something where people like, hey, well, but where's your pronouns, buddy? You know, right. And I think finding the right line on that is something people are still sort of figuring out but it's good that people are figuring out and trying to be supportive of the possibility. So I think

Jessamyn 1:24:25 Weiland made a really good point late in the thread which is like, really what you have to do is fucking handle the bathrooms. Like honestly, if what you really want to do is make you know, everybody comfortable, especially people who are you know, transgendered or, you know, on the spectrum or whatever. Figure out the bathrooms, de gender, the bathrooms, make sure everyone knows how to deal with the bathrooms. Make sure people know how to not police the bathrooms. I mean, this is a huge deal. This was a huge deal at the American Library. Association Conference, right, which has it together enough to make kind of gender neutral bathrooms, but doesn't really have it together enough to make sure like the event staff who aren't ala members who are just people who are, you know, work in the conference center know enough to not

Cortex 1:25:20 be shitty directing people towards or away

Jessamyn 1:25:23 from,

Cortex 1:25:25 you know, that kind of top to bottom.

Jessamyn 1:25:29 Yeah. And that requires a different, you know, a different level of work. Basically,

Cortex 1:25:34 XO has been very good about exit XOXO, I guess I should say I'm so used to just shortening it XOXO has been really good about trying to provide explicitly gender neutral, hey, use whatever bathroom you're comfortable with. And this year doing it at the Memorial Coliseum in town. This is like a big old structure built in 1860, or something like that, as you know, an event place. So it's got a whole lot of big ol bathrooms with rows and rows of stuff. And the Coliseum was apparently just completely incapable of accommodating the concept of, you know, gender neutral bathrooms. So they had to sort of like improvise in real time to get signed up saying,

Jessamyn 1:26:14 and you see, like, what does that mean? Right? Like, that means they're just not on board. But like any bathrooms, a gender neutral bathroom with a gender neutral fucking sign. Yeah, the option of if people don't want to see urinals, you know, yeah. And

Cortex 1:26:28 well, and if people don't feel necessarily some people don't necessarily feel super safe using a multiperson bathroom where they don't know if everybody else is going to be cool, I think as part of it. So like, single person, bathrooms are really useful there because like, it's super easy to design says, hey, it's a bathroom. But there aren't really so many of those available at that Coliseum because it wasn't really built into the like customer service. So like they had a family bathroom kind of I think they ended up finding like two or three bathrooms in the entire like, you know, Coliseum that they could do. And you know, previous years they had they parked stuff outside, they had like, you know, mobile bathrooms parked in like nice ones, like two or three individual stalls. And the footprint was just different this year. So that was it was kind of weird to realize, oh, this is there's always going to be a logistical problem. If you're trying to be good about this, you're going to have to deal with this every time kind of from scratch. Until, you know, decades from now, everything has actually said, hey, what if we just gave people individual stalls a lot? So yeah, I don't know. It's a whole thing.

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Cortex 1:27:57 another difficult conversations that's been dealt with, I was happy to see and thought was interesting. Was gnrs saying, hey, how do I respond when I tell people about my experiences with racism? And basically people dismiss it as like, well, but I know like, ya know, you had a really good answer in there. I really liked your comment in there.

Jessamyn 1:28:21 Or my comment. You just

Cortex 1:28:22 kind of said, Yeah, this is fucked up. And I'm sorry, you're dealing with this. Here's some stuff I do. I don't know. I'm not going to summarize your comment. It was just good. You were you were sympathetic conservative sort of talked about dealing with the practicality as

Jessamyn 1:28:35 Oh, I think I talked about my friend Karen, who deals with us a lot. Yeah, you may know, but who also is crappy. And so it's hard to tell sometimes because she is crappy. But it doesn't matter. Right? I mean, that was my essential Upshot. Like sometimes Karen ascribes things to race because she is crabby. And maybe also they're ascribed a race, but I don't know. But it's clear. She's also having a bad day. But it doesn't really matter in the moment. Why she feels that way. Yeah, like your job as a friend is not necessarily to believe every single thing she says or whatever is to be like, she feels that way that is important to her. My job is to be sympathetic. If she wants to untangle this a little bit later, we can talk about it otherwise, who cares? What I think it doesn't matter.

Cortex 1:29:18 Yeah, if you're dealing with something where there is like a really, really easily attested systemic tendency, you know, to, you know, toward racism and towards oppression. And then like, but this one is a coin flip, you could probably just sort of OPT on the side and saying, Well, you know, without knowing all the facts, I can still say, Well, shit, that sucked. I'm sorry that happened or you know, right, you know, like it it's possible to sort of trend towards the side and saying, Hey, I actually know what the fucking ley lines are of the actual prevailing social situation here and maybe opt on the side of like kindness and sympathy there but but it's also it's I don't know if they It's it's it's obviously a bit complicated. There was a mention in the thread. Someone mentioned. Oh, Kate, Katie, Katie, Katie mentioned. So you want to talk about right raised by EJ Oma.

Jessamyn 1:30:16 I read that over the summer, great book,

Cortex 1:30:18 I just started reading and she She actually gave a talk at XOXO. This year. Oh, about the context of that stuff and sort of dealing with that stuff. It was really, it was really interesting. She was like, one of two or three three different people for I don't know, other folks I saw there was like four different talks, at least, the touch to some extent on like, the issue of hey, you know, racism and Portland as a historically, you know, as the banner city of, like, well, meaning progressive liberals, but also like a city in a state that was literally founded on a white supremacist ideology. There are some problems here. And you know, so when she was giving her talk, she actually got to a good point where she was like, hey, you know, part of this is people have to do things. If you're sitting there as a white person in the audience listening to this, you actually have to do things. You can't just and look nodding on TV. Right now, that's not doing anything that's just

Jessamyn 1:31:16 listening. And it's like, it's like reading her book. She made that point your book. She's like reading this book is just reading. It's preparing for action, but it is not itself. Action, you have

Cortex 1:31:25 to actually do stuff. So. So I guess doubling up that recommendation I've been Yeah, I've been enjoying that so far, too. But yeah, just a good thread. Illinois has a lot of good comments. And, yeah, good stuff. I think that's all I had for asked. Do you have some more stuff?

Jessamyn 1:31:42 Cool? No, I just had one more. Which was what's your favorite piece of trivia? Right storyboard talking about, you know, what's the difference between good trivia and bad trivia? You know, bad trivia is just knowing a fact. What's kind of an interesting piece of trivia, like there are flowers. They're called pinks because of their color. But no, the color was actually named after the flower.

Cortex 1:32:06 Yeah, yeah. No, they're and pink. Pink is actually interesting, too. Because yeah, pink used to just refer to a broad range of colors, because pink was a kind of color making pigment as well. So like pink, you could have an orange, pink or green, pink, or red, pink. And then at some points, that got fixed down to the actual color pink in the English language as meaning that specific like set of shades but it was originally a color creation method to pink something was a way to fix a pigment in a in a medium in a certain way. And I can't remember what that way is. But yeah, pink.

Jessamyn 1:32:44 Yeah. So there's just a lot of like, you know, interesting, sort of, you know, Atlanta is west of Detroit, Reno, Nevada is further west than Los Angeles. Canada is south of Detroit. Like those kinds of things like what what? Yeah, What? What? So, yes, I enjoyed that looks. Cool. Yeah, the only last one I have is just like, not really a really happy one to end on. But like I work in academia, I'm the leader of a global open source effort. One of my collaborators was just convicted of possession of child porn. How do we deal with this? But like, you know, who do we reveal it to? Is there anybody else I could talk to who's been in a similar situation? I'm really concerned about this grant that I deal with, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so it was just a practical thread about dealing with super terrible people. They're wrapped up in your thing.

Cortex 1:33:50 Yeah. Well, on that note,

Jessamyn 1:33:56 well, and then there was fanfare where Saturday Night Live had their you know, opener, with Kanye being weird, and, you know, opening with a with a Cavanaugh thing and, you know, it's all it was all pretty interesting.

Cortex 1:34:13 Yeah. I think I've kind of lost my patience with Saturday Night Live really well. And I should I should give it a go and maybe watch this, but I have this. I feel like what feels like in a sense, a huge gift a Saturday Night Live with how audacious and fucked up the political scene has been the last couple of years and what feels like it could be an opportunity for like some huge seismic comedy making has turned into like, oh shit, they wrote this gift for us like and I know like, practically writes itself is kind of like a joke of when weird stuff happens but I feel like after two years of shit so fucked up on audacious that all you do is for your cold open, recite the recent events. You're kind of just you kind of not doing a thing at that point. You're just like showing up and repeating shit. And it feels both lazy and slightly enabling of the fucked up nature of things. Like because it doesn't feel like sharp satire to say, oh, remember when Brett Kavanaugh said this? Oh, remember when Brett Kavanaugh said this. I'll remember when Chuck Grassley said this. And I'm saying this with complete acknowledgement that I have not watched the coal open. I am basing this entirely on my Senate live watching from the last year or two. But my strong assumption and I haven't seen anything that like contradicts this in coverage is that they're basically transcribing shitty stuff because it's audacious, but that just ends up giving people a slightly fuzzier memory of the shift that actually happened. I don't know, that might mean being incredibly grumpy about something I haven't watched, but that's kind of where I've been left feeling about is like, like, Saturn alive could in principle, if they were actually going like for the jugular, really, really go somewhere with like, critical quality.

Jessamyn 1:36:02 I think so. But you know, I, I wonder, also, you know, I do wonder

Cortex 1:36:10 basically, I probably should have gone into fanfare and like, you know, I'd watched the thing and participated in the conversation if I wanted to.

Jessamyn 1:36:17 They had a sketch that was all like, easy jokes about Vermont, and I was just like, bah. So I haven't even gotten into the thread yet. I mostly wanted to sort of direct people there.

Cortex 1:36:26 Ya know, I'm curious, I should sit down and watch it. I had been, I have the luxury of having too much to watch. So like, I can deprioritize it and just be vaguely grumpy with it. Like by proxy, which is kind of lame on my part, but yeah. Metafilter music, I can mention some songs. There's the awesome stuff, please. Still, there is a variety of things. Let's start off. Super ambient fu snark posted some uneasy listening from their new Bandcamp release 11 spells and it's just like it's real slow and weird and ambient, and I kind of like that sort of thing. So that's good. There is grand, grand goosy a grand grand grand was a grand Zhao was hire

Jessamyn 1:37:20 that guy we

Cortex 1:37:21 accidentally recorded and met him. I think I might have to. I like I better with usernames than with real names. But at this point, there's still too many. Anyway, accidentally wrote an instrumental track. I like it when that sort of just something happens. And I enjoyed it. It's fun listening. There is a song called Life Alexander by maic. Which is pretty good, saying that song to win about their baby and it's, it's a rocker. And then to call me back down after that there's some are pageviews from carrot adventure, just making some soothing ARPs getting your arms on. And then this is really cool. This is a song called Caroline from Mefi. peppercorn. This is her first like really produced recording, and her first post on Mefi music. And that's great. And it's great. It's a really nice morality full song and yeah, all sounds sounds really good. So that's awesome. Welcome to the Mefi music. Not a brand new Mefi has been on for a while but and then some jackass wrote a steamed hams parody of a song. So if you want to listen to that, you can do that. And yeah, that's the meta filter Music Minute.

Jessamyn 1:38:48 That is awesome. And I have a bit of news that isn't on Metafilter proper, but it's very meta filter of related. Chris mirror and greenish, you may recall, met at a Metafilter meetup that I called in London, and they got married and they had a wedding that was super nice that I officiated have just had their baby. Hello, this week, Dorothy Yun joy. I don't know if they're going to make an announcement about it or anybody will if you're friends with them on Facebook, go over and give them a little thumbs up. There's a picture of the adorable baby. And that's mostly what I know. But I just wanted to you know, mention it because it's awesome and so great. You guys and happy and blah blah, blah. That's great. Yeah. good note to end on.

Cortex 1:39:38 Congrats, those crazy kids. Well, I think that's been a podcast and so good talking. We did the things with our mouths again. We moved the air through the meat.

Jessamyn 1:39:47 Yeah, we come on.

Cortex 1:39:50 I'm sorry. I don't know. It's always a pleasure having you tolerate me next month

Jessamyn 1:40:00 It was great outside the x

Unknown Speaker 1:40:03 bar he lives in this place on this day it's not even making my kitchen right. And you must look well I'm pooped. There was wonderful. Good time was steamed hams