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A transcript for Episode 141: "Is Cereal A Sandwich" (2018-06-04.)

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It's ... not bad!


Cortex 0:00 A couple of things

it's such a lazy Sunday.

Jessamyn 0:31 Oh, do tell me about it. I week, Jen and I call these Slowloris days where you just kind of walk around like a slightly dim mammal, just being like I drove like seven hours home from the Fingerlakes yesterday, and it was a great drive and I had a really good trip and everything was fine. But like, regardless of how fine it is, the next day is always a bit of a hangover. And the weather is beautiful today just fucking great. So all those things I just want to like sit around and smell the flowers and do nothing. Ferdinand

Cortex 1:08 is the way to be. I think so. Bullet up. I think so to belong. It's been a long time since I've read Ferdinand like, I know, I know, Ferdinand the Bull, but like, again, the last time I actually consumed any portion of the first night of the bull. I honestly can't remember, like a picture. It was a picture book, right? Yeah. And

Jessamyn 1:27 the thing I know about it special is that Elliott Smith had a tattoo of Ferdinand on the shoulder. Ah, and so it's always that's the resonant frequency of it for me, because he was also kind of a kind, gentle, quiet guy. As you know, he went to Hampshire so I asked him a lot, but I knew a little

Cortex 1:48 apparently there was a CGI film that came out like six months ago two that I was completely unaware

Jessamyn 1:52 of. About the first and the bowl and the

Cortex 1:55 bowl starring John Cena is Ferdinand category. Oh, really?

Jessamyn 1:59 I kind of liked John Cena also, so I guess that's okay. Ferdinand the Bull in the story of Ferdinand. I'm reading Wikipedia edits from 1936. How great is that? It's, you know, it's an antique book.

Cortex 2:19 I guess we should say this is. This is episode 141. of the medical podcast. That's what we're doing. We're doing a podcast. Yeah. I am. I'm cortex, aka Josh. I apparently I read like soft spoken. I don't know.

Jessamyn 2:37 Mix it up. And I'm Jessamyn. Also notice nothing. Just Jessamine.

Cortex 2:44 You should come up with like, fake real name. That just means like you're weird internet handle that. Also known

Jessamyn 2:50 as Linda. Linda, also known

Cortex 2:54 as shap worth. And we can work on this for next time. Maybe we'll just both have new real names. Next Next episode, like

Jessamyn 3:05 how you snuck in a new song last month? Well, yeah, no.

Cortex 3:08 It turns out, Josh,

Jessamyn 3:10 I need to know these things ahead of time. So I'm not like The what now a new song.

Cortex 3:15 I mean, it didn't exist until after we recorded so it's not like it could have told me about it. Well, I mean, I disclosed the fact that there was a new song in the tweet, which is usually our post podcast recording. Communication about

Jessamyn 3:29 Josh is are yours and mine. I learned things. That's where I just repeat things out to the world. Well, I've

Cortex 3:37 been thinking about that, actually. Because I think that's a really good dynamic we have right right at that tweet, and then you just change the appropriate nouns to make it like you talking about me, instead of me talking about you. I was thinking

Jessamyn 3:47 we reached probably 75% of the same people,

Cortex 3:50 probably, but hey, whatever. I think people enjoy it. But I was thinking, should I should I at some point, try and construct a tweet that just doesn't lend itself to that just to cause like, see what happens when you like either either. You're not paying attention, like Yeah, sure. So Jasmine west from from Portland, Oregon. Monster now

Jessamyn 4:15 suddenly looking like it's doing that and then doesn't do it, you know, by you know, home of the Portland on the west coast or whatever. You know, we have a Portland over here.

Unknown Speaker 4:27 Yeah. Also,

Jessamyn 4:29 though, I haven't been there in quite some time. Well, I'd like to see a try. I guess.

Cortex 4:34 We'll see. We'll see what happens. I may have just exercise entirely the impetus to do it by by talking about the idea, which is always a good way to get rid of ideas. You know, like, on the one hand, there's like, there's a certain degree of sort of, like bullshitting that ever doing a thing because you just keep talking about how you're going to do a thing and I think there's for like, you know, if you, if there's a thing you keep talking about how you want to do, you should actually just do it like or at least take a stab at doing it. Maybe You'll do a bad job maybe won't work, maybe you could learn that there's assumptions we're making that you need to figure out still all sorts of things you can learn when you try and do a thing. But you know, just try and do it. And you know, then you like, actually had a chance of doing it, instead of always talking about how someday you're going to do it. And I think there's,

Jessamyn 5:17 I think for a lot of people, Twitter is like a bleeder valve for that right? A bleeder valve for doing anything, because you're always kind of talking about it and joking about it. And no, one of these days blar blar. But what you're really doing is typing in a box on the internet, not unless what you're doing is whatever, making a twitter bot or, you know, crafting some, some dank memes or something.

Cortex 5:42 Yeah, Twitter can itself certainly be a means of production, depending on the specific thing you're doing. But But generally, I think that's true. Like, I certainly do that all the time, I'll do stuff that it's like, you know, half jokey tweets where I say, well, here's a here's an idea for a game. I think I just did that today. It's like, you know, and it's not because I can, like, there's a really good idea for game and I need to work on it so hard that I'm gonna go tell Twitter about it. It's more like this, it'd be kind of funny if someone did it, but I'm not gonna. And so I'm just gonna do that. And I think that's the flip side. Like there's the well stop saying you're going to do a thing and go do a thing thing. But there's also the admit that you don't actually want to do the thing and just go talk about the thing and put it out there. Let it be universe. Yeah. And if so,

Jessamyn 6:22 I have two responses to that, right. Number one, now that you've got kind of a burgeoning art copy. I think a lot of people are a lot happier, giving you a lot of leeway with all the projects you don't finish, which is cool, because you do finish a lot of projects. And number two, at least you're not tweeting about your wife's vagina. Oh my god.

Cortex 6:42 I missed this. Apparently I missed this. Okay, so let's let's I am aware of the Teen Vogue get your best summer vagina thing. I saw that going around like a week ago.

Jessamyn 6:58 You didn't see Matt and his I have eaten the plums that were in the wild. Oh, you didn't think about it because you can't think about Matt and K having that kind of.

Cortex 7:10 I didn't feel like that was a tweet about K. I felt like that was a tweet about a figurative. Like this is going back to the your mom joke thing where your mom joke. It could in some cases be an actual cutting attack on someone's specific mom. But generally speaking, it's it's discussing a figurative mob.

Jessamyn 7:27 I guess this is just a different way you and I view the world. You know, because I'm often very defensive about mom jokes in the same way that I was just like, dude, really. But clearly, I was the person who took it the off way because it

Cortex 7:43 does feel like a somewhat specific interpretation of the tweet seems much more of a I'm going to combine William Carlos Williams with a you know, C grade pawn on vaginas without actually trying to kind of rhymes

Jessamyn 8:00 with ice box.

Cortex 8:02 A specific Yeah, you know,

Jessamyn 8:04 I don't know.

Cortex 8:05 Yeah, no, I mean, I see where you're coming from now. But yeah, I was. I was worried that I had missed some sort of a frank discussion of anatomy, as I know. So this is I'm actually feeling genuinely relieved right now that this is just a disagreement on the degree of specificity of interpretation of a William Carlos. Yes. So he hasn't been on an episode of the show in I don't know how long now but it's nice to know that Matt still shows up one way

Jessamyn 8:34 all the damn time. Sure. Well, you know, he's he's active on the internet where you and I both at least sometimes live

Cortex 8:42 Yep. Sometimes yes. Sometimes.

Jessamyn 8:46 Be offline. Oh,

Cortex 8:48 in the world, I got like, but yes,

Jessamyn 8:50 the weirdest thing and thing about driving back from upstate New York yesterday, which was like a I don't know, like a seven ish hour drive I stopped once or twice is literally like being offline that much time during a day is slightly unusual for Yeah, you know, just because I thought think of my phone in my pocket. And even if I'm doing something else, like hiking or going for a walk or hanging out with my friends, you know, if if something makes a noise at me, which is usually just texting but occasionally like I'll check Twitter or something else, but like when I drive the car, I do not so yeah, it was very interesting being kind of that disconnected. Not I got home was like what happened? And you know, the answer is still nothing. And summers good like that, too.

Cortex 9:34 Yep. Let's see.

Jessamyn 9:39 So hey, 141 has one interesting thing about it

Cortex 9:42 besides being a palindrome or just the fact that it's a palindrome.

Jessamyn 9:45 Palindrome is kind of bullshitty for a three digit number to help it out. Well, and you did foreshadow this in the last podcast, so I guess the fact that there's any connection at all between the podcasts is sort of adorable.

Cortex 9:58 Yeah, something no turn. It's only about 140.

Jessamyn 10:00 Well, it's one of those pentagonal numbers.

Cortex 10:03 Remember what those are? Like, right? You gotta start with one,

Jessamyn 10:06 and then five dots around it, and then more dots around those dots. And I kinda like those,

Cortex 10:14 like,

Jessamyn 10:18 one 510 1520 216 1630

Cortex 10:21 That's how much you add each time. Oh, one and then add five, I

Jessamyn 10:24 am sorry. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex 10:26 I've been thinking about number numeric sequences a lot lately.

Jessamyn 10:29 Can I just say I love those crazy cut out nonsense things you do. And you should probably like, quit your job and started selling those two smart nerds for their children,

Cortex 10:40 I'm gonna I'm gonna keep my job and sell them is the plan. And maybe I'll actually get around to that. This week, I've had to backorder systems supply so that I wouldn't be like, Hey, these are for sale, oops, I sold three.

Jessamyn 10:53 And now I'm out and hey, I'm going on vacation and whatever. Yeah, but they're really cool. Like, now they're activating in a way like, I like your art generally. But these like I like I have to stop looking at them. Because I like them too much.

Cortex 11:06 I feel like they really like split the difference between sort of like a graphical idea. Like I've certainly, these are coming from partly the same places, a lot of the painting work I've been painting tends to be like, Okay, here's a four square foot composition that's got like, these ideas in it. And it's all there together in a piece. And these are more like if you grabbed a square inch of a painting and got another square into a painting just sort of played with them. And it's it's interesting how different that is, as a way to sort of

Jessamyn 11:34 WoW, and the tactile, fiddly aspect of it is, I think, really the thing that makes it more engaging, right? Like, you can look at the thing and be like, well, that's probably loosely with the inside of Josh's brain looks like, but like with this thing, you can like mess around with it. And you're like, well, that's kind of what the inside of my brain looks like, or part of it, you know. So at any rate, I liked it. Oh, speaking of other things we chair, how you like in your first two days of trivia,

Cortex 11:58 a great deal. I enjoyed. I enjoyed both days. And it's been fun popping on the forum a little bit and seeing you on there. And, and I've won both of my matches so far. So that's very exciting.

Jessamyn 12:09 That isn't me better than my other refer. I don't know how Kevin Plunkett is doing. Hi. So Josh has joined the learned league as my refer, which is the backstory for people who maybe have missed all the other things. And somehow I got to refer to guys this time,

Cortex 12:25 is it because of the server problems?

Jessamyn 12:27 Event? I don't want to ask because I'm afraid one of you guys will get.

Now, I don't remember what Kevin's last name is. It's like plugin or something. At any rate, I one, one and last one. And I think one of my other referrals are a friend of mine who got referred by someone else. Last one and tied one. And you know, I want people to have a good time to the extent that they can. So I was very,

Cortex 12:56 you were doing well. Yes. It's tricky. Like I'm happy that I'm doing well. But I attribute nothing to it because it's such a small sample size and I shot like I'll be I'll be I'll be very happy if it turns out that I actually do reasonably well in general, but it's also possible that we'll have a couple of strong opening days and then like, really just blow chunks for a week and I'm I'm emotionally okay with that to

Jessamyn 13:17 Kevin Lumpkin. That's my other referral has has lost two Oh, no. And lost just flat out because the people who were was playing answered more questions right than he did. All right, Kevin.

Cortex 13:32 Did you get the Michael Flatley question, right. Who?

Jessamyn 13:36 Is that the Lord of the Dance? Yeah, no, I had no idea.

Cortex 13:39 Like, when you saw Michael Flatley, were you like, Oh, Michael Flatley. Right

Jessamyn 13:43 or did the dance guy? Yeah, I mean, not really. No.

Cortex 13:48 Okay. But yeah, I was curious about that. It's, it's weird, because like, it was like, his name left to my mind immediately when I started reading, like, you know, Irish dancing, blah, blah, blah is like, Yeah, but 1975 is he that old? But then I was like, you know, dance Lord is like, Okay, Lord, it's gotta be Lord of the

Jessamyn 14:05 Dance, but I wouldn't have known his name. You know, I wouldn't have known his name at all. Like, I got it after the fact. I was like, oh, yeah, that must be his name. No, I said, like Gregory Hines or something. I was like, Who is? Who was dancing, which I thought was, you know, I thought it was gonna be that kind of irony. You know, like, it's Irish. And also he's black. So that's unusual. And also, I was like, who danced in the 70s? Like Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory is the end.

Cortex 14:33 Yep. Yeah, no, it was weird. I basically learned that everything I thought I knew about Michael Flatley was wrong, but hey, but but also, you know? Yes. Anyway, it's been it's been a delightful time. We probably shouldn't talk about it too much, because I'm just gonna go over all the questions.

Jessamyn 14:47 Sure, no fun, but it's been great to see you there. And I'm glad it's working.

Cortex 14:50 Yeah, I'm having a good time. Cool. So yeah, the metal filter stuff let's let's let's do this specific thing with the let's take a look at Beale jobs board, whatever the job is great jobs the jobs find Milagros.

Jessamyn 15:06 Okay, I don't know what that means. And I read the question, and I still don't know what it means. And it's important. So can you tell me what that means?

Cortex 15:13 I don't know offhand, either. I mean, I know bendy. So I don't know what she's looking for. But I presumably anyone who could actually help her find it will know what it is. So you know, if you're in Portland, and you can help bendy out with whatever the hell Milagros are. This is your this is your opportunity.

Jessamyn 15:31 I mean, Wikipedia didn't help. Like, it's just a nightmare. I, I'm not used to like that much not knowing what a word means. You know what I mean? Yeah, very confusing. But yeah, there's a great job at PETA. There's a great job at New York Public Radio, there's a interactive developer job, probably the only job where I'm not like, Oh, it's a great job, because I don't know what interactive development is full stack. You know how those things go? PSC 2000s looking for someone to help her do ukulele stuff. And then there's a solution architect, which again, is like interactive, whatever, designer, but you know, you'll know if it's you and it's a Massachusetts job. So anybody who knows me personally, that's kind of near where, you know, I am in the summer.

Cortex 16:16 So yeah, get on it. People jobs.

Jessamyn 16:18 Yeah, they're good jobs. And I almost, I'm working on some like, I want to get all the Vermont libraries that have websites onto the Vermont Library Association website, so you can click through and link to all of them. But it's proving more difficult than I thought it would be. Because all I have is an Excel spreadsheet, and I have to turn it into an HTML thing. And so for somebody who's smart, with that kind of stuff, I suspect it would take 10 minutes. But for someone like me who's doing a lot of dumb Find and Replace, like a dumb calculator, it's sort of hard. So I'm actually toss it up on jobs and be like, Look, if this takes you five minutes, I'll give you 10 bucks. And that's a pretty good hourly rate. Just make this please know, do it. Like I put it into Google Docs. But the HTML Google Docs does is appalling. You know, it'll export HTML, but it's got all this crap in it. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like there's an easy way and I you know, it's you know,

Cortex 17:20 I don't I don't generally, like, look forward to the idea of like, apocalypses. Exactly. But I if there was some sort of like, alien virus sent towards earth by like, like vengeful, angry aliens, still, possibly benevolent ones, I don't know, that. Just be aware, this is going on. All it did was destroy the infrastructure of document types on Earth, and we just had to start over from scratch with like, you know, relatively straightforward relational databases and flat file text. I think I'd be okay with that. I think I could cope. I'm used

Jessamyn 17:59 to working with flat file. txt, right. So I could do like a complicated series of finding replaces where every time there's a new line, replace it with a h ref equals, but I can't do it in a fucking spreadsheet. And I'm not clever enough with relational databases. Yeah. But ya know, I'm with you. And especially because I'm in a Mac environment. So I have Pages and Numbers, not Word and Excel, as opposed to sheets and bullshit, whatever that thing is. And yeah. But it's still I'm ahead of almost everybody else in the state of Vermont in terms of being able like in the library community. Yeah, like just having these on the web, where if someone could click them, like, Oh, hi, you're on the Vermont Library Association website. Maybe you'd like to go see where some Vermont libraries are? The fuck? Maybe? So that's, that's my little project for today. How can you

Cortex 18:57 it's a good project. Speaking of projects, you want to talk about projects?

Jessamyn 19:01 Maybe I'll put it up on projects.

Cortex 19:06 Well, not jobs post or

Jessamyn 19:10 projects or no projects for three weeks, two weeks.

Cortex 19:15 It was pretty quiet. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. People just do another shit, I guess. I don't know. And then that cluster, like, on May 22, like screams like, all right, projects. I should submit that project. It's weird. Yeah, spring break.

Jessamyn 19:34 I like projects, but it was like some Twitter stuff some Twitter stuff. Um, I you know, cat death

Cortex 19:45 documentary that that thing was interesting. So this was Miss Jenny. Put this together. I think this one I

Jessamyn 19:53 think she had that awesome project. Let me double check. And she's done a lot of really cool projects. Um, The LinkedIn thought leadership generator, didn't she do the one about the homeless? Yeah, you can have like, a can of corn your name on a can of corn. It was that project that kind of nobody got really. But I loved it. Really one of my favorite things. I'm trying to remember names names for change. So like, Hey, you donate five bucks to a shelter and get your name on a toothbrush or something. Yeah, yeah. And I enjoyed it conceptually, but I'm sorry, go on with your dead cat.

Cortex 20:34 But then Kathy, which I have to say, it's, it's tricky. On the one hand, you're trying to sort of be accessible and play on Hey, cute cats. And cats are fun and games with cats. And you're also playing on hey, you know, you wouldn't want cats to be unhappy or whatnot. And the game basically takes these two things at the premise to try and motivate you to do a good job of doing financial management through a cat metaphor. And I think it's worth poking at me and Secretary I'd like played through like three different scenarios sort of test it out. But it's a little bit tricky, because it's really it's it's trying to discourage you from foolishly getting into debt is the educational context for this, which is awesome. And the thing is, the cats are the debt. So the game teaches you that debt is hard to manage and can get out of control no matter what, by creating a no win scenario where you're just swimming in debt. It's a little bit tricky, messaging wise. Yeah. But I thought it was cute. I always like I had this bad tendency to like look at like, educational demonstration games be like, Yeah, but to really make this work is a really solid satisfying replayable game. You should do this. And that like, Dude, that's not right. They're doing they're not trying to make it like the next fact that you played it at all. Yeah, exactly. So I thought I thought it was nice. I thought the messaging is complicated.

Jessamyn 21:56 I mean, it looks amazing. The stuff that she builds is amazing. Just generally speaking, but yes. I'm well and I'm just at some point in my life, where all these things like poke me in like a weird way. And I'm just like, ah, even though like I know, that's me.

Cortex 22:15 There's also Max barbers up to his old tricks. Well, new tricks, he's up to tricks. He's

Jessamyn 22:21 also His birthday was right. In the past month, I'm pretty sure

Cortex 22:25 he be I'm so bad at birthdays.

Jessamyn 22:28 I'm not bad when somebody is actually on a social media service being like, hey, it's my birthday. But Max also tweets a lot. So I'm not totally sure if I'm gonna be able to get to a point where Oh, wait, does he use the birthday? Yes, birthday was the eighth of May. So job. Yeah. Happy birthday. I was like, clicking through Twitter. Like where's his birthday? Oh, right. Yeah, that feature on metal filter. Goddamnit. All right. Yeah. Happy Birthday max. And sorry, go on about his phone thing.

Cortex 22:55 He's reading poems threatened poems on Twitter. They they fit on Twitter. So not like old Twitter. They're not like you know, always 140 characters last but you know, still short and I

Jessamyn 23:06 don't know. No one's even gonna remember Twitter even used to be on and 40

Cortex 23:09 It's gonna be weird. Like five years from now. They're gonna say hey, remember when Twitter existed. And we were not yet destroyed by the alien anti document type virus. when Twitter was still the format that things could be in before the virus from the aliens made us.

Jessamyn 23:27 Twitter. Twitter's HTML even as much as I, you know. I'd love to hate it for all sorts of reasons. At least it's fucking HTML. For the most part. I was just reading something earlier today about Instagram, you know, disclosing the secret sauce of their algorithm or whatever the fuck those guys but like Instagram is like, even more of a closed environment than Twitter is, you know what I mean? Yeah. Every every time Hanukkah comes around, and I'm like, There's one candle, there's three. There's two. Now we're back to four. So, you know, I don't I don't they're algo they're stupid algo Twitter is at least HTML yet

Cortex 24:15 you know, I was gonna mention this one actually is sort of like mentioning it to address the fact that maybe it's so so as a project but they think that's kind of interesting and hey, talk about these I think are interesting. The Frank Lucas documentary which is it's it's a perfectly nice short five minute film about BMX writer it's nicely put together etc. But it's also like

Jessamyn 24:36 first project by project from a brand new person

Cortex 24:40 Yeah, so it's a film maker slash film company signed up and posted a project and honestly, signing up and posting a project see okay way to do it. Sometimes I will just not put that project through. But at least you will not be banned for spamming because you didn't do anything wrong. You just displayed questionable to outright poor taste. In this case, I think it was. That was nice enough. You No, it's I always feel worried about like branded short films, because like, presented by blah. But that's kind of like it's in this short five minute thing.

Jessamyn 25:09 If that's how you get your money to make a thing that yeah as utility maybe that's all

Cortex 25:14 right, exactly. And like, I don't think, I don't think it's even a question of like, well does it justify the existence of this five minute documentary if it's branded? Because like, whatever, no, that's like, there's a ton of cool shit on Vimeo. It's a little bit weird when it's meant by projects, because it's like, well, what's the, you know, the communitarian aspect of this. But it turns out that sometimes as like, a first time one off, I'll say, Okay, we'll see where this goes. Well, I

Jessamyn 25:39 don't think that's a bad. I mean, that's kind of one of the things I like about Metafilter. You know, like, you can do that. And there's human beings there who will like, will make sure this doesn't get out of control, basically. And if later or this is out of control. So you are done. What was the last podcast by the way? A month

Cortex 26:01 ago, was

Jessamyn 26:01 it on May 7. It was a little bit later.

Cortex 26:06 I think that one sat for a couple days, too. I was just busy after we recorded if I remember. I don't know. Whatever. Anyway, maybe. Today, I'll go on the record. It's June 3. We already said it was Sunday, but I'll say people from doing the detective work. It's Sunday, June 3.

Jessamyn 26:21 Yeah, I just was going to try and figure out what among my links kind of fit to fit into the times. Time. Time thing the time.

Cortex 26:30 charge time times are on my side? Yes. This is a song.

Jessamyn 26:38 That song went you got a money back. You got a money back guarantee.

Cortex 26:44 I liked that. I think that could be a holdover into commercial advertising. Well, I

Jessamyn 26:53 mean, that's what we're talking about right.

Now, man, Tom Peters.

Cortex 27:21 Talking about Metafilter, the blue.

Jessamyn 27:24 Yeah, I do. Um, there was a lot of let me let me sort out my tabs real quick. Because you know, the blue and the green, I have to say, they kind of look like each other. When you're looking at just the the little teeny, the little teeny fav icon. Yeah, although here's the thing that was I found really interesting meta filter this month, there were a couple times at least where I saw a thing on the internet, I came over to meta filter. And people were already talking about the thing on the internet, and it was fun to talk to them about it. That's excellent. Or at least read or at least read along. So one of the early examples of it and I don't think this minute into the podcast was kale, Maras. Basically just a link like college Gambino, this is America. Here's the video, the link is completely I mean, the post is the minimum viable post you could make basically, for this topic. But you know, there was a great conversation. And if you were kind of familiar with the context around it, he had performed the song on Saturday Night Live, and then the song dropped, I guess, as the kids say, right then, like at night, and so then everybody was kind of thinking about it and talking about it over the Sunday. And then kind of Monday was when all the thought pieces and think pieces and stuff came out. And you know that video, there's a lot going on in that video.

Cortex 28:54 It's funny, actually, we got a contact form just the other day from someone saying, Hey, I'm kind of bothered. I don't understand what the rationale is. I've made a post. And then it was deleted. And I think that was the wrong decision, because it certainly seemed worth discussing. Sure. It's just a single music video, but it seemed really, you know, I thought it was like a lot going on and would have been sourced for, you know, thoughtful, Metafilter discussion. And it was that Childish Gambino video and they hit us not notice that it was a double and that's why they're like, hey, everything's fine. You're totally right. Yes. Your your your analysis of the content worthiness if that is epicyte Someone else just got there first. So that worked out very well. But But yeah, yeah.

Jessamyn 29:39 And I had kind of not really paid that much attention the video like right after it had come out just because everyone was like, Oh my God, and I was like, sounds heavy. I don't want to deal with it just yet. And so then a couple days later, I looked at it and then I watched a lot of videos about the video, and then I kind of, you know, dove into the thread and I found a lot of there Are there and enjoyed it?

Cortex 30:00 Yeah.

Jessamyn 30:03 And you know, Donald Glover is just everywhere this month because I just saw solo last week. So a Yep. Which, you know, I spent some time on fanfare this solo, throw it on fanfare. It's like the gift that just keeps on giving.

Cortex 30:16 I still need to have a movie. So I haven't touched it. Not that I'm okay. I'm not I'm not as worried about spoilers as I might be with something else. Because it's like, to a certain step. I know that deal. Han and Chewie and Lando are gonna live, I'm pretty sure they're gonna make it through.

Jessamyn 30:29 And they meet each other. And, I mean, there's a lot wrong with the movie, but I enjoyed it. And the thread was fun. Because it's all metal filter, people talking about liking it or not liking it in that kind of nerd way. Where it's like, well, I really thought this thing about the robot and whatever. Oh, well, that wasn't my interpretation. So this other thing? Well, I thought, and, you know, it's a friendly conversation, even though people are like, you know, was it just kind of fan service the movie? Or was there actually something going on there? Yeah. But I watched it, I guess, opening week, I didn't even know like, it was just at my theater. And Jim and I were walking around, and we're like, we're tired. Let's watch this movie. And yeah, and then the threads been just going and going and going and fanfare which has been nice. So why did Donald Glover and I had kind of, I don't like Atlanta very much. So because I'm still in the beginning of it. There's just no women in it. Because I was like, Donald Glover. And so it's been nice to, you know, find things about him that I could connect to. Yeah.

Cortex 31:37 I really dug this post about making a knife out of jello. Why I did not do this at all suppose from yachtsman. And it's a video from a YouTube channel called Kiwami, Japan, that like posts nothing but weird like knifemaking and weapons stuff, and

Jessamyn 32:00 they're not the people with the cat. Kitchen Cooking cat people, I assume that you would know if you've watched this channel at

Cortex 32:09 all? Okay, no, I mean, I remember watching challenges. I found out a bit because of this post. But if you if you're like making a gel out of knife, that's so weird. It's like, okay, well, what about making a knife out of literally everything else do they're just like they're going down the list.

Jessamyn 32:22 So it's kind of like the Will It Blend? People accept it? So will it knife thing? Yeah.

Cortex 32:25 Will it turn into a knife? And the answer is always yes. So yeah, just like is it always yes, it's, I mean, I only see videos looking like what knives.

Jessamyn 32:36 I'm watching this jello knife.

Cortex 32:38 But yeah, yeah, it's great. It's just like, Okay, let's let's create some gelatin set up and turn it into a knife and then cut some stuff to prove that it's actually sharp and then melt it back down and put the gelatin treats back in the little capsules that came out of the whole thing. Scrape

Jessamyn 32:56 those little jelly treats. We gave them out for Halloween one year and kids were just like, What? No.

Cortex 33:03 Is that what you don't like them? Or did it just turn out?

Jessamyn 33:06 Just because I don't know. That's where I kind of draw the line with gummy stuff. It's a little bit too much like flaunt or something, just not my thing, not like other people shouldn't enjoy it. Yeah. But we we tried to give them out to people and now did not work. This is great. I love it.

Cortex 33:22 It's good stuff.

Jessamyn 33:25 Speaking of music, which apparently is what a lot of the things I liked this month, the very recent kid from Cleveland who wanted to persuade Weezer to cover totos Africa.

Cortex 33:37 completely missed this.

Jessamyn 33:39 What this? How can you say you're an internet user?

Cortex 33:44 I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of internet is basically plus if it didn't involve making small polygonal tiles. I may have missed out last week. Yeah, I

Jessamyn 33:53 mean, this was just I saw it because Twitter very briefly blew up about it. It was just you know, a kid signed on to Twitter, essentially just a bug ouiser about doing this cover. And then they finally did. Nice. Yeah, and it's that easy.

Cortex 34:09 I'm trying to I'm trying to decide if I even like I mean, I kind of want to hear it just because it's come up now. I don't know if I think that Weezer would do a cover of Africa that I would like like not that it'd be bad but I don't know if like rivers Cuomo really has like the covering Africa voice.

Jessamyn 34:27 No, probably not. Although I you know, I saw the acapella version of it. That one time, which I think also was on Metafilter a long time ago. And that was just so good. I just basically never want to listen to that song again, because I am done.

Cortex 34:41 Yeah, and there's those there's those two guys who play in bars and they just do covers of all sorts of stuff on like, electric bass and acoustic guitar, that there was a post about a few years back that I really enjoyed too. Yeah, it's a good song for covering. So I think this is actually kind of like this is is the downside of like too much stuff is available down there. And it covers like a band doing an unlikely cover. It feels like that was like this really sort of weird, cool random thing, like a real discovery thing. And like the mid 90s, late 90s, like was when I started paying into time journalists, this goes through from before that, but like,

Jessamyn 35:23 you get singer songwriters doing a singer songwriter version of like a rap song. I mean, that was when the chords did like gin and juice. And I know that there's some, you know, problematic appropriation versions of it, but you really did get the alt country versions, because everybody was doing all country back then.

Cortex 35:42 Well, and I mean, what I'm getting at is like, you know, you had access to what you could actually find which up to a certain point before, like, the rise of mp3 trading, essentially, you know, and this is before it, so we're talking like, mid late 90s, as mp3 is came around. And then later on as YouTube came around, I think that's part of it. Like, it used to be kind of a hustle to find that weird cover that that band did have that song and now you could like spend like, literally a week nonstop, just listening to bands doing covers of other band songs that would fall in right, slightly quirky territories, like there's this this ridiculous. So I've heard like, you know, probably 20 different covers of non Weezer songs by Weezer. And it turns out that like, these are just not a super interesting cover band. Like I'm sure it'd be great to be at a show, like and you're seeing Weezer and then they play a song that you liked by another banner, like, Yeah, this is rad, you know, but like, for me just sitting down on YouTube, like, I always click on this and then I'm like, you know, and that's, it's a weird thing. It's a our cup overflow with runneth over. That's what I was going for. Yeah.

Jessamyn 36:50 Well, and it made me like, go try it. Like, I mean, back that up. I had the Center for Cartoon studies is near here. And they had an exhibit at the little art space down the street from me, and I was a gallery monitor at one point, and I got to read every comic book that they had there because not a lot of people came into the gallery, which was their loss because it was amazing. But one of the things in the gallery that somebody had done for like a senior project at Center for Cartoon studies, was like a fanzine about Weezer and I've never given Weezer any thought whatsoever, you know what I mean? Like when I got my Windows 2000 computer, they were they're singing this sweater song and that was the beginning and the end of anything I thought about with Weezer, you know, they were they might have been the first like video I saw in like the late 90s on a computer. Sure, you know, before the internet and everything else.

Cortex 37:47 They shipped. What didn't like Buddy Holly come on Windows CDs for a while.

Jessamyn 37:53 Yeah, was it Buddy Holly? I thought it was the sweater song but one of them. Yeah, well, Buddy

Cortex 37:57 Holly had like it was it was that was the one with the happy days thing going on? And I feel like that was it. Yeah, such a production piece. Remember, remember back in the 90s when Hey, we made the sort of look like the aesthetic of an old show was like a mind blowing piece of video production and not like, it's okay. Yeah. So so that got done like, you know, weekend effects shot.

Jessamyn 38:21 Right. A child could do that during recess now. Yeah, yeah. Well, and I wish I

Cortex 38:27 could stop playing fortnight for five minutes. Am I right? The kids? fortnight Is it maybe we'll come back to that. You were saying I'm sorry.

Jessamyn 38:40 Well, no, I just can't track down the zine because it was like some tiny little local made thing. And I kind of want to find it. So I could come in in the thread and be like, You should read this Weezer zine, but it wound up being actually very hard to sort of track down. Yeah, you know, somewhere somewhere I wrote it. I don't know.

Cortex 39:01 I enjoyed this. This post about bad childhood sports memories, essentially. And it's interesting I enjoyed it mostly for this is a metal filter thread. I know there's going to be interesting You're

Jessamyn 39:15 starting to sound a little wobbly, by the way. Am I? Yeah, just you were for a second.

Cortex 39:20 Interesting. Well, let's keep an eye on that.

Jessamyn 39:22 Now you sound okay. All right. So I'm sorry I didn't mean

Cortex 39:25 No, no, no, no, no, no. Anyway, it's a it's a it's a post about basically remembering knows that terrible thing that happened when you were playing sports as a kid like you know that that sports failure that you you can't forget the time that you dropped that easy pop lighter right field that would have won you guys the game. That sort of like moment, and the thread that ensues is

Jessamyn 39:50 everybody talking about their sports fail? Yeah, exactly. I

Cortex 39:53 mean, it's a perfect setup for that and you know, a whole lot of people have memories about stuff there. You know, I ended up sort of talking about some of my Weird childhood sports memories. And it's an interesting mix of like, variously funny and cringy anecdotes, and then people sort of talking about the ideas and the systems that lead to situations along the lines of childhood sports fails in the way I was

Jessamyn 40:15 really slow and small. And so I always got picked last for everything and nobody wanted me on their team. Also, I was very shy and cried easily. So yeah, like, I can just imagine what although I was actually pretty good at like, kickball and a couple other things, you know, but like, other than that, I can also remember visiting my cousin's in Arkansas in 1976 and playing kickball and like kicking some ball and one of the boys we were playing with was like, I've never seen a girl kick a ball like that. And I'm like, Are you fucking kidding me? Like, I am small and weak. You what? But you know, that was the south basically. Yep. I'm gonna look forward to reading this thread.

Cortex 40:56 I think you'll I think you'll enjoy it. There's there's stuff to chew on. It's an interesting

Jessamyn 41:00 read. It's funny, like I got over it like elementary school sports were the worst. And then for whatever reason, by the time I was doing sports in high school, like we could do frisbee, I played lacrosse a little bit like I was never sporty, and I didn't get any better at stuff. But like, I found like, a path that didn't suck for me. And there were no like antagonists. shitheads playing with me, like, you know, the antagonist shitheads like, went to go play real sports, and left the rest of us to just flounder around in gym class. You know what I mean? Like, if you were on a team, you didn't go to gym, which meant the gym was no longer full of incredible assholes because they were all in teams. Yeah, perfect. Well, that's great. I'll go back and read that thread. What was the other thing oh, this was like a random thread from 2010. But I was listening to my favorite UI trivia podcast. And they talked about the clown egg register, where if you have like a clown face, and you want to like register it, like to be like, This is my clown face. And nobody can take my clown face. If you're a professional clown. Okay, you painted on an egg at NAMM? Like you do. There's a register of these eggs, or there was. So I was going to come to metal filter and post this. But I was having a hard time finding the actual thing. And then I found this post by death delicious from 2010. And it was a real thing. And now I'm not entirely sure that things still exists. But the Flickr photo set that is from the Museum of these faces does still exist. So you can still look at these pictures. But I think the museum where they were, you know, getting shown up may not be there or that may be archived or et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. At any rate, clown face egg register for words that you would not think would form a cohesive idea together, but they do.

Cortex 43:00 Yeah, no, that's that's great. And why not? It's a solid format. Sure. I mean, it's not I mean, it's solid. But anyway, the key takeaway for me here is that national plan weak dot coms sidebar of subsections site has two separate links about fear of clowns. So much is it necessary to address fear of clowns? That is one of those things

Jessamyn 43:21 that I didn't know until I became a lot more worldly. You know, like, I was a kid were afraid of clowns with it. I wasn't afraid of clowns. And my sister wasn't afraid of clowns. I had like one friend who was afraid of clowns. And she was weird. I mean, weird for other reasons. So that didn't. So it didn't register as as as a kind of a normative thing. And it really wasn't until I got older, where I was like, Oh, my God, like that's a real thing. You know, that's a real thing that lots of people are afraid of clowns, and it's fairly normative in a way I would not have thought.

Cortex 43:57 There was, oh, gosh, fun little game. I feel like I should mention at least one interactive game. Every podcast and the dental Tesla posted about a game called ticks tax, which is a ultimate tic tac toe, online game, ultimate tic tac toe, you say what is that? Imagine a tic tac toe board. Now imagine nine Tic Tac Toe boards blur you can lay down. I know it's recursive tic tac toe is very overwhelming. So yes, it's a tic tac toe grid of Tic Tac Toe boards and you and the other player are taking turns playing and which of the nine boards you play on any given term is determined by the position of the tic tac toe marker the opponent played in the previous and so if they're playing, if they play in the bottom left with the current board, then the next play will happen in the bottom left board. Unless you know certain late game handle at qualifiers there's a couple complications to make all But it's weird. It's surprisingly, it goes from tic tac toe, which is classically the game where, if you're good enough to be competent at it, you are a master. And also, if you're like, it's like mastermind,

Jessamyn 45:12 nothing ever happens, you just get all the rules. And then that's it.

Cortex 45:16 Congratulations, you've both learned to play the game well enough that there's literally no game because it's a tie every time. Whereas ultimate Tic Tac Toe seems actually kind of complicated and interesting, strategically. And so this is a nice online implementation. And it was kind of fun. Like, whenever a post goes up that has these online multiplayer games, you tend to run into mefites playing the game when the post is active. So it was kind of funny that people run into each other. But anyways, dt is worth checking out. If you feel like doing some complicated tic tac toe, I recommend it.

Jessamyn 45:46 I also have the things I like to talk about. I happened across the Internet discussion of what Roseanne said, literally as it was happening, where, you know, Jim was like, I don't remember if he was like getting up or like, we were getting ready to go. So I was like reading the internet while he's like tying his shoes. And I'm like, Oh, shit, Roseanne said some shit. And he was like, what? And then I was kind of like looking through it. And I was like, Oh, God, that's too bad. Like, she's totally, like, fucking up, like, something bad's gonna happen. And then I was like, click, click, click, Oh, her show got canceled. Like it, it literally just gotten canceled when I was just catching up on whatever the hell happened. That's perfect. And then I learned a little bit more about, you know, the head of programming at ABC. And, you know, hey, representation matters. And I was like, I would like to talk to Metafilter about this and the thread from Martin, which did not disappoint. Just because I you know, I felt like I showed up in the middle of it. Like I kind of knew what was up with Roseanne and it was kind of like this weird. You know, she's a Trumper. But she also has a show and it's kind of conservative, but is it and what's really going on? And so it was fun to read the metal filter hot takes on it just because it really was like a an odd situation that I really could use pre digested for me. Yeah, this thread did that.

Cortex 47:08 Nice. Yeah, no, I saw it going by and was not following the whole thing. But immediately, as soon as I saw that, it canceled just came up with the easiest joke I could, which was Roseanne Bard. Oh, I saw, which I think probably 1000 People probably made in that five minute window. That's about that's been about the degree to which I actually engaged with this specific situation because like, I already knew she was kind of a piece of shit. I don't really want to spend more time thinking about Roseanne today but

Jessamyn 47:34 and, you know, then blamed it on Ambien and like, I have taken Ambien and and so there was some funny, you know, if you know the Ambien manufacturers tweeted and they're like, hey, one of the side effects of this medicine isn't that it makes you racist? Like, there were a lot of like funny brand tweets about the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, I think you know, the trick may be that maybe she drinks and takes Ambien maybe, like, you know, sometimes people and

Cortex 48:01 maybe maybe a shitty person. I mean, it's possible. A long history of being racist is caused by her being racist.

Jessamyn 48:10 Yeah, yeah. It was just sort of weird to watch people try to be like, Oh, it wasn't me. It was the drugs and I'm like that drug is not the drug you would pick. Like the sleepy drug makes you wake up and be racist. Forget it, no. Such

and the other thing that happened this weekend, actually. So I just got back from New York. And some dog spin. Yeah. Does this covered bridge half marathon thing in Vermont. And it's a couple towns over for me. And so we had dinner last night, which was lovely. And he's a wonderful man. He you may also know him as language at son in law.

Cortex 49:11 Did I not know that? I probably knew that and forgot. But

Jessamyn 49:14 yeah, he must have known it and forgot. But he recommended because I was like, oh, doing the podcast tomorrow. He said, say hi to Josh. So hi, Josh. But this fascinating thread by cash for lead. Cash for lead cash for lead. Yeah. About Sojourner Truth's speech, because basically she her first language was Dutch. And she gave this speech in Oh God, I don't remember. There was her original speech. And then there was the speech that got publicized that was kind of like I don't know how you'd say it, like kind of blacked up to make her sound more like a black woman and less like a black woman who basically speak spoke Dutch as a first language. And then there's also the version of But the like kids read in school, which isn't either of those versions. And it's just a fascinating, really interesting thread with an early comment. I'm surprised you guys didn't delete about white feminists being terrible. Not that they're not. But

Cortex 50:17 yeah, I am going to assume I wasn't on shift. Let's let's, I'll put myself off the spot that

Jessamyn 50:25 it was Friday. Were you working on Friday? Probably. Whatever.

Cortex 50:32 There's a lot of a lot of shift going on sometimes.

Jessamyn 50:34 It was only flag one. Yeah, no, no, yeah. No, it's

Cortex 50:37 really it's like such a good example of the the way that things get sort of taken for granted as having historicity just because it's been long enough that we sort of assume well, you know, that's obviously it's a historical artifact and you know, cobbling together our various assumptions about the the context of the time and yeah, just Nope, just absolutely no, this was this that is not actually what the situation was at all and it's it's weird. And and, ya know, so they really interesting posts because of that.

Jessamyn 51:13 Yeah, yeah. I just thought it was great. So cash flow lead. Thank you,

Cortex 51:16 similarly of long standing cultural importance. Yanni or Laurel. Did you did you engage with a Yanni Laurel situation? I

Jessamyn 51:26 sure did. And something was wrong with my head. Because I can't make it. Say Gani, no matter what,

Cortex 51:36 I get my question. I

Jessamyn 51:37 use every slider. I try every different hooky version, I have every man in the world explaining to me what the fucking waves do. And I just

Cortex 51:49 get what you have to understand is the overtones of formance. Seriously? Not at all. That is I don't know that I ran into anybody else saying like, they just couldn't get a period. But a lot of people were saying like, Oh, well, okay, this one tweaked version, I can hear it,

Jessamyn 52:06 I can get Yari literally can't get Laurel and I,

Cortex 52:09 like, I wonder if there's like, specific, you know, audio perception things that drive who does pick up what and when? I mean, I'm sure there are but

Jessamyn 52:20 ya know, I mean, there was people write a little bit about kind of which things would make you more likely to hear one or the other. But yeah, it was, it was weird, but, you know, again, I would want to talk about it with my metal filter. So that was fun to get to. I mean, What's always interesting to me about these kinds of random bullshit, who cares things like because there's no value you can assign to it, right? Like, you just hear a thing, or you hear the other thing, and they're the same Yeah. Is is what it kind of reveals about people's personality in that they can or cannot kind of accept the fact that other people can't hear a thing. You know what I mean? That like, I mean, it is sort of interesting for me like to listen and be like, I actually can't understand how somebody could hear something different because I am hearing a sound with my ears. So clearly that sound is here. And I don't know what you're hearing but clearly your brain is wrong, like but some people really really feel that way. Whereas I'm just like, whatever bodies are strange. But that kind of idea of like, you know, what, if what I see is green and what you see is green are actually two completely different colors. We would never know because of our language. So that to me was one of the interesting parts of it and just watching different people being like you know, super splaining about it or not. But I do feel like I should try it with different speakers.

Cortex 53:47 Yeah, no, I like I got I definitely got different results in a couple pairs of headphones and my desktop speaker and but there's definitely a weird I think the not being able to chase you anything down is maybe not so weird because I feel like the default perception, like for people who've like settled their brain and it seemed like a trend towards Laurel as for like an ending point, even if they were like definitely a Yanni person upfront or could get Yanni out of it seemed like to pick up more Laurel and I I don't know enough about psycho acoustics to explain why that is. But I have this gut feeling of like, the brain sort of identifying the lower frequency patterns and then just sort of really holding on to

Jessamyn 54:26 them is like Yeah, I know what you're talking about. There's

Cortex 54:29 an interesting thing in audio production audio mixing, where you can actually take a recording that has like bass notes like like bass guitar playing or something on the piano and it's got a very distinct like, bass element in there playing a bass instrument. And if you take that and filter out the actual fundamentals, the lowest tones like you know the the low E that is the E of playing like a low E Shea's guitar If you can take out that actual low E frequency and leave in the higher frequency overtones that, you know, are also part of the sound of that. And the brain will reconstruct that low E notes a whole lot of the time, like your brain, essentially, even

Jessamyn 55:15 if those parts of it are missing, it's like, the line or whatever the little fuzzy dots are like optical illusions.

Cortex 55:21 Yeah, like if you hold your hand out over the sidewalk on a sunny day, at noon, and look down on the sidewalk, and you can see your hand, you know, if you're looking at your hand and the shadow, you know, like, Oh, it's my hand. But then if you block off your vision, so you can only see the shadow on the sidewalk and can't see your head anymore. Like, obviously, this is a very social metaphor. But I know you can construct the reality of your hand being there, even though it's just implied by the the other shapes that leaves in the world. And yeah, I think it's the brain somehow, just like, Oh, I know, I know, this has to be coming from that note, you know, that's what this series of overtones belongs to. So that notes obviously there, which is probably

Jessamyn 56:04 identify what you think the fundamental part of that note is, it's those big booty bass parts. And yeah, that's only a small part of what the note is.

Cortex 56:12 Yeah. So So that may be part of it. That may be part of why Laurel sticks around. Once you've like identified Laurel is like, it's still there. Even if you cut out some of that bass tone stuff by like listening on tinny speakers or something. I don't know. It was neat. It was a neat thing. Also, just want to mention in passing as kind of a ha ha thing cloud is shutting down or has shut down.

Jessamyn 56:36 This is another one of those things where I was like, why are people talking about cloud all sudden, they must be shutting down because I haven't thought about it in a really long time.

Cortex 56:44 That's exactly what it was. And I love the fact that like with the news, that cloud is shutting down, people who had rightly realized that it was done with them to be excited about cloud years ago, are logging into Cloud again, right before the shutdown just to be more detailed about making fun of the fact that cloud is going away as

Jessamyn 56:59 sure by not the water posed by not the

Cortex 57:01 water. Yes. So I thought that was funny. Did I

Jessamyn 57:05 comment? Oh, yeah, the company that, like, bought it, and then turn it off. It's called lithium. Like, that's weird. Lithium is a weird thing to call a company.

Cortex 57:17 I mean, everything's like weird thing to call it company picking out sin? Well, it's also an element isn't it? Is an element?

Jessamyn 57:27 Yeah. But I think a lot of the people who know what it is, think of it as a medicine for treating depression,

Cortex 57:35 but also a really good move on a track. So

Jessamyn 57:40 it's got kind of like a, you know, like, cock and balls ask

what do you call that chemical structure? Ah, which is?

Cortex 57:52 Yeah, that is sort of Donnie with some wingman. Yeah, that's, that's interesting.

Jessamyn 57:59 But yeah, I mean, I think for anybody who's you know, spent any time with people with mental illnesses who like you know, take a lot of lithium you'd be like, Why did you name your company that that's so fucked up?

Cortex 58:09 But I may just I may not be sensitive on the subject of lithium as medicine enough to

Jessamyn 58:18 Yeah, I mean, it is a cool but I mean, it's one of those like diversity matters things right? Because like I probably they aren't either, and yet, there's definitely going to be a lot of people are like

Cortex 58:30 I want to mention one more I want to mention a slightly deep cut and bring it back around to our Learn league discussion. Ni Lambert This is a post that I've just bringing up again, because I found it when I was Googling readings.

Jessamyn 58:46 So explain what's going on here.

Cortex 58:48 So so this this post I'm linking will tell you none of this because it's just a roundup of some best rock wrong answers from past even though these

Jessamyn 58:58 were available to people who weren't. Like you can see him even if you're logged out,

Cortex 59:05 apparently, yeah. Otherwise the post probably would have been flagged to death. This is from last year. This was a post by Amanda.

Jessamyn 59:13 Okay, sorry, who recently did well in 2017? Yeah. This is like from tomorrow.

Cortex 59:21 No, no. This is from a week in the future from June 9 2018.

Jessamyn 59:26 I don't know so.

Cortex 59:29 Okay, I'll explain this is a post from management insurance about a bunch of best wrong answers from learned league which the trivia thing that I'm now participating into that we've talked about a bunch of times because I'm in and Matson and secretary to now and a bunch of other mefites and anyway we Yes, this was a post of a roundup a bunch of funny wrong answers, you know, intentionally wrong answers basically. But the title of it is just knee Lambert and the reason I found this post is not because I was looking up learned leak stuff on meta filter but because I was looking up nee Lambert because ni Lambert is not the name of the actress who played Skylar white. On Breaking Bad that actress His name is Anna Gundam. But if you were say, Jax, you were cheating at trivia if you're a bar trivia and you're looking on your phone real quick to figure out oh, who that who played Skylar white and you Google Skyler white, you might get the Wikipedia page for scatter white or IMDB page, folks go to the white where it might say Skylar white parentheses, knee Lambert parentheses because

Jessamyn 1:00:36 it's French and named means born as so that would that would be your maiden name.

Cortex 1:00:40 Yeah. So so it originally Scott Lambert then she met Walter White. They got married, she became Skylar white. So it's got the white and the Lambert but your your pub trivia and so you're like, oh is Skyler was played by me Lambert. Okay, write that down. And so there's the whole news, the weird thing last year where you know, someone got caught cheating, because they did exactly this. And they wrote down ni Lambert as the name of the actress instead of anagen. And that's the whole story. And I found that delightful, and I went looking for more details on the internet. And I just landed on this post by turns on Metafilter titled LEED Platinum, the Lambert and in no way discussing any of that inside the content of the post. And I thought that was just the most perfectly oblique thing. So I wanted to bring that back around and say, Hey, I see that now. I saw that I get it. I get that reference. Captain America, I get that reference. Do you want to talk about as Metafilter sorry,

Jessamyn 1:01:34 Captain America as

Cortex 1:01:37 Captain America in the new films, like he's like Chris Evans, like, yeah, I get that reference one because, you know, he was frozen after World War Two. And he woke up in modern America, and like all of a sudden ever is making references to things he doesn't get. Because he's

Jessamyn 1:01:50 been so everyone else can he'll get one. And so he got a jump at one point. He's like, Hey, I got that reference. Yeah, I haven't seen the sword of war against all of today at all. Were like half them die. Do they kind of

Cortex 1:02:03 Yeah, I don't know. I'm not cut up either. Freaking Stan Atos, I gather. But uh, this was this was like, probably in the first Avengers film, I think maybe is when that happened. But you see it in the Jeffer was, Well, someone will make a joke. And then someone will post a picture of Chris Evans as Captain America pointing and sort of smiling and saying, I get that reference, but you know, as a GIF. So yes. Filter,

Jessamyn 1:02:28 ask what a filter. I would like to start with this. Post that I read, and I commented in, and then it had a happy ending. This is by now nice guy, nice guy, who had a public speaking event coming up, and they needed to be the host. And they were freaking out. And I needed to know how not to be a freaking mess. And people gave them a lot of good suggestions. And then the very last comment is, you guys, I feel like I had a big invisible international group of kind folks cheering me on from the sidelines, cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They everything went well. They were very happy about it. And it just was one of those like, hey, everything made a difference. And it was just one of those good threads where people are hopeful and it makes a difference.

Cortex 1:03:28 Nice, public squeaking, that was a happy outcome.

Jessamyn 1:03:32 What's the next thread?

Cortex 1:03:35 Oh, excuse me. A little bit, a little bit of a bit of happened there. I've just lost my tabs entirely. Tell me more. Tell me more about nice things that asked Metafilter Okay,

Jessamyn 1:03:50 well, um, here's one. That's kind of a tricky question. From not myself right now. Basically, hey, I've got a friend who's working with a school system. They've got a legal requirement that sex ed has to include an abstinence component. It's got to be presented by someone who isn't religious. You know, the sex ed stuff is kind of alright, but they need to do this part and the house. And it's a mess, right? Because absent education is stupid. It doesn't work, like the sciences against it. But like, it's a real question that happens to real people, right? Like the answer isn't going to be like fuck the man like you. So at any rates, do rific who is a? You know how often sex educator basically gives a bunch of sort of good information that answers the question has some actual curriculum that's useful, but it's also like You know, most of this stuff is crap. But if you really need to teach this, here's some stuff that's helpful. And I thought that was good because I mean, what can you do? Right? Sometimes you're stuck teaching stuff that is shitty, but at least you can give people less of the stuff. The sort of normal body Shamy. Stop. And wait, it goes to rific. Viewer super helpful. Yeah, co

Cortex 1:05:23 Stewie. Yeah, she's read. Yeah. I enjoyed just kind of partly just for the local flavor and politics of it. This question? Core J, courage. Basically, hey, we're thinking about moving to the Pacific Northwest, where in Portland or maybe Vancouver, Washington, should we look for a neighborhood? They'll be nice and walkable for stuff?

Jessamyn 1:05:49 Oh, neat. Hey, you're there. I've seen you in AskMe Metafilter. A lot more truly. And I think

Cortex 1:05:53 that's a good thing. I think it is too. i It's nice. Some of the credit there goes to the Secretariat, who will occasionally just like text me like, Oh, hey, check this out. Answer this question. I can't answer that. Okay, thanks. Well, I think I think I found this one all on my own unless she sent it to me. And I forgot, in which case I think I found I think I was just working on I came across it for one reason or another. But it's it's you know, they're basically where should we look? And the question is interesting, like, people have asked, like, where should we look in Portland before? But like, there's definitely a temperature taking aspect to the answers, because like, they got a variety of questions. People suggested stuff, I had my own takes on it. But like, I'd say a solid third of the questions were like, Oh, I live here. Here's some nice spots. Also, just don't move here. Just, it's, it's, it's a bad time. And it's, it's, it's weird. Everything's too expensive. And, you know, I just wouldn't, you know, which is a totally legitimate answer, if it's framed up with other stuff. Like if someone could just be like, Oh, fuck Portland, and obviously not. But you know, people are like, well, here's my advice. And also, here's my take. That's all right. But it was interesting seeing that as a recurring theme of sort of like, because I mean, my own answer, I'm like, hey, it's expensive. Like it's, I would not be able to buy my house

Jessamyn 1:07:06 right now if and it's unreasonably expensive, in some ways, because there's just kind of a bubble, right? Yeah. Like, they cost more than exactly the same real estate would in I don't know, Vancouver, is Vancouver, far enough away to be cheaper or no.

Cortex 1:07:20 Vancouver is a little bit cheaper than Portland. But it's gotten more expensive to because everything has been growing, you know, right. And to some extent, because people have been going to Vancouver because Portland has been expensive me and the price pressure on prices up there too. And then there's one or two people in the thread like, oh, look, you know, it's expensive compared to it 10 years ago, but

Jessamyn 1:07:41 like it's it's not the Bay Area. Bushwick,

Cortex 1:07:44 not San Francisco. It's not la you're not moving to New York. You know, if you can afford a house, you can afford a house. Which is it's so weird, that sort of like treadmill of like, well, but what's expensive because yeah, I think like, Well, I mean, you know, Portland's not expensive, but it's no you know, Cleveland Heights where you can really get a deal. But then you know what, it's still

Jessamyn 1:08:03 Randolph, Vermont where you can buy a 14 room Italianate mansion for you know, $399,000 Yeah. $0 a mansion for

Cortex 1:08:13 that. Yeah, yeah. So it's weird that I'm always sort of struggling to find that

Jessamyn 1:08:17 link to that Italianate mansion. But I don't know why anyone will buy it. I guess

Cortex 1:08:23 probably love to bite off but I won't buy it or a lot to chew. Maybe it's, maybe people understand that their fiscal mouths are big, or their eyes, eyes, mouths eyes. Curved, if your eyes are bigger than your stomach, then you might bite off more than you can chew. Am I marrying these two metaphors together successfully? Because like, your eyes are bigger than your stomach. So you take more than you. But then you bite off more than you can choose. Yeah, I think I think it's because metaphors are bad. Mostly. Like they're, they're just they're, they're terrible. Good.

Jessamyn 1:08:57 Well, so here's the Italianate mansion. And this was two years ago, and the price has dropped

Cortex 1:09:04 significantly. Wow. Yeah, you get a real deal. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:09:07 And it's amazing, but like, you know, hey, Jasmine, if it's so amazing Why don't you lived there and it's like you eat a giant mansion. Like no thank you.

Cortex 1:09:17 Remark you're gonna have to Portland you can just put on a sweater most of the time.

Unknown Speaker 1:09:24 Great. Ya know

Cortex 1:09:26 what else you got? What else on Ask

Jessamyn 1:09:28 ah well um.

On Oh. Oh, well, there were a couple of like sort of interesting, like nerd bait ones that I enjoyed in kind of two different directions. One of them was a by catch, which talks about todos Africa and how Mount Kilimanjaro really doesn't rise above the Serengeti. That's not actually where it is. Oh, Chicago Sun. Josh, how did you miss this? This is made for

Cortex 1:10:27 you. No, I didn't. Here's what happened. This is what happened some of the times with these, which is such a shame. It's a it's a professional risk. But you'll note that there's like a comment or two that have like flags on them. And I saw this thread starting at something that was flagged, and so I ended up like sort of parsing it for context there and sort of looking around. And at that point, I'm like, Okay, well, I made a decision one way or the other. That was a little bit annoying. I'm done with this. And then I don't go back up and say, Oh, but I wonder if it's an interesting, you know, and so I

Jessamyn 1:10:57 think I flagged something in this probably did, in fact, because I love this thread, so much. So basically, it's about factual errors and songs and like, my go to example is always you know, early morning, April 4 Shot rings out at a Memphis sky, Martin Luther King was actually shot in the evening, which basically me and badger Doctor posted it almost the exact same time. But there's a ton of them that are straightforward, right? Like the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald has a whole bunch of like, factual

Cortex 1:11:27 products out the Edmund Fitzgerald was fine.

Jessamyn 1:11:31 But then a lot of people, you know, start getting goofy. So ricochet biscuit is like, contrary to what the beefs up to state Chrysler has never had a production model that seats about 20 moreon. That is as big as a typical well, but like, that's an answer. There is no town called malice, Bob Marley didn't shoot the sheriff or the deputy, et cetera, et cetera. It's just a fun thread. And I hope Tadge got what they were looking for.

Cortex 1:12:04 I had one that maybe was also on your list. Maybe this was an extra year q&a, even, but this was from cupolas. Yeah, I've known him. I don't know how long I still.

Jessamyn 1:12:13 This question drove me crazy.

Cortex 1:12:15 Okay, well, and rightly so. It was an interesting one, but I loved it.

Jessamyn 1:12:19 Of course you did.

Cortex 1:12:20 He was asking you what mass noun that has, like, I see the problem is like, I could read the whole thing and then read the whole thread

Jessamyn 1:12:27 come into 1211 times in this. It's a total

Cortex 1:12:31 definitional problem. And that's also you should note, and I don't know if he said this in the in the thread itself or not, but he definitely had the flu when he posted this, because he wrote to me first say, Does this question makes sense? I have the flu. And as I go, Yeah, I think it's, I mean, here's a couple things you could try and expand. But yeah, sure. I think the answers are gonna be weird. I think people are gonna have difficulty agreeing on what specifically you mean, but and then

Jessamyn 1:12:59 I felt like it was some weird contests that I didn't understand. Like, I didn't understand the question. I didn't understand the answers. Every clarification post did not help me understand it. So I just left it alone. I'm glad you liked it. Someone.

Cortex 1:13:14 There's definitely some there there. But I think it is such a difficult issue of definition. And like, you know, being clear about what the terms are. And like, probably, really, we need like, a panel of linguists to discuss this for about an hour around a table

Jessamyn 1:13:31 speaks English as a first language, right or no. Figure

Cortex 1:13:35 out I have no idea if it's first sentence or not. But he speaks English very,

Jessamyn 1:13:39 I mean, he speaks his native language like I would I would not have known this first language.

Cortex 1:13:44 Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. But, yeah, I know. It's Yes. I thought was very interesting. I thought it was kind of a mess exactly the way it seemed like it probably would be a mess if someone came up with a linguistic question while they had the flu. But I also enjoyed it tremendously. And I recognize that the resulting asked me thread was a little bit of a mess. But I think if it's if it's messy in a way, that's not like people getting into a fucking fight, chance, okay.

Jessamyn 1:14:13 Let's face it, there was a little bit people were like, I don't know what you mean. What do you mean? Yeah,

Cortex 1:14:19 I think there was there was some, there's definitely some, like, pushback on some of the definitional calls there. But like no one was like, buttoning, and no one was like, writing angry emails to each other as far as I know. So

Jessamyn 1:14:32 yeah, yeah. Good point. Oh, hey, the other nerdy one that went with the 131 is just it's a variant on a theme that we see a lot on AskMe and a filter. So it's by a user called probably not that Karen Blair, which I also think is a pretty good user name. But basically, it's that same old problem, right? Like, I really try and live my ethics as much as possible. But how do you do that in this global capitalist account? autonomy and and that the user, you know, I'm assuming she it's good because she understands that it's kind of an impossible question. But it's just like, look, this is difficult for me, I struggle with it if maybe you struggle with it, what do you do feel free to tell me, I'm just overthinking it, et cetera. And so there's actually a really good thread where people are kind of thoughtfully trying to help and not just like, you suffer from cognitive distortions, you know what I mean? Because the original poster, you know, left open the door for like, I know, some of this is just my brain doing it to me, but I also would like to know how to live as ethically as possible. And so the resulting thread is actually really good and interesting, and compassionate, not just like, ah, yeah, you know, you can't or you're doing it wrong, or whatever. So I enjoyed reading along with it.

Cortex 1:15:56 Nice. I was gonna say, this seems like the sort of thing Anna Yola might be into and then Annie Lowe's, and they're saying, hey, yeah, this is important stuff.

Jessamyn 1:16:06 You kind of know who the me fights are who, you know, have who live along those lines, right? Like I'm always one of those like put on your air mask your gas mask your what is it oxygen,

Cortex 1:16:21 put on your gas mask first before

Jessamyn 1:16:24 helping other people and so I've you know, got my particular viewpoint that I didn't think was necessarily going to help that thread but I you know, I'm always looking for, you know, ways to waste to be a little better do do things a little better, basically. So I appreciated that.

Cortex 1:16:43 Yeah. What else we got? I think, I think that's all he asked me I had to produce.

Jessamyn 1:16:48 Ah, that was let me let me just do a quick look through some of the answers. I was, you know, kind of a kind of a heavy answer. There's a whole bunch of kind of like, Oh, God, don't be this person. Ones that I'm just gonna kind of skip. I enjoyed the chalkboards, whiteboards, survey question thread.

Cortex 1:17:09 I did not do that.

Jessamyn 1:17:10 How old were you? Did you grow up with chalkboards or whiteboards? I think it's kind of us us specific. But I was interested in it. There's a lot of ones that I kind of followed along with, and I kind of wanted to know how it turned out. Right. Like, like there was there was a, you know, a place that had mice, there was a person whose friend, you know, needed some mushy food to eat who after surgery was just not feeling that good. There was like, you know, I'm bummed about Mother's Day, how do I kind of do this better? How appropriate is it to have a Day of the Dead sort of celebration at a mostly white school? That one was kind of interesting. And at the very beginning, kind of have this podcast month. You know, the person who needed a site intake place in Massachusetts, so I'm, I'm waiting for some answers, or some follow ups on some of them. But yeah,

Cortex 1:18:06 they remind our listeners, patiently waiting for those answers is great. posting comments to tell someone to update them. Don't do that. Don't do that. Just wait, just feel good.

Jessamyn 1:18:17 I got the email from you. That was like, hey, so how did your question help me brainstorm some birthday ideas for a milestone birthday question workout? And the answer is, I don't fucking know. Still, like, I'm a little closer to thinking about what I want. But unfortunately, part of it was having lots of people give lots of ideas and being like, now, now, now. Now, like, I feel like people gave me a lot of great answers. And yet, it helped me coalesce around the fact that I wanted something different. So I still don't I still don't know.

Cortex 1:18:56 I it's still years on it's still throws me I forget about those automated emails that come from me now instead of from from Matt, like, I get that. But I still I don't associate it. And so every once in a while, I will get like a MEPhI mail from someone in response. And depending on the context, all right back to say, Oh, hey, yeah, but most of the time, it's like it's a throwaway response to a robotic email. But every once awhile I'll get like an intemperate Mefi email from someone's like, well, I don't have a resume. Like, oh, man, I'm sorry. You don't the the robotic version of me wasn't trying to give you a hard time or anything. It's okay.

Jessamyn 1:19:32 That's not from actual me.

Cortex 1:19:35 Yep. One of these days maybe maybe we'll still switch it over to a robot friend at some point, but I don't know. There's probably some value in having a human on the other end even if most the time I don't actually need to

Jessamyn 1:19:47 think so. Human eyeballs. I think that's it for me with asked me I had a couple Meditec things to mention. Let's do it. Well, one of them was we hit our one year anniversary at malt shop.

Cortex 1:19:59 Yes.

Jessamyn 1:20:00 Switch. I've we I mean, I guess you and me the site we are among other people.

Cortex 1:20:06 Do I am I a part owner, I still think I'm not I still think I'm

Jessamyn 1:20:09 part of the site, meaning your name is on the documents that are the articles of

Cortex 1:20:14 incorporation. But that's not necessarily,

Jessamyn 1:20:17 you know, if I understood the law, we would have a better answer. So basically, you're a person on the documents, right, but we never, we never like gave stock out, because I don't know how to do that. Yeah. So I own all the stock because I don't know how to give it to anybody. Okay, I would love to give you some only I don't understand.

Cortex 1:20:39 I would prefer not to have any, I think it's,

Jessamyn 1:20:42 I would if I were you to I do

Cortex 1:20:45 I own stock in one company. And that's enough.

Jessamyn 1:20:49 You get nothing, then Excellent. Yeah,

Cortex 1:20:51 no, I'm happy to be a token member of the board, which I think is where I'm at in the documentation there. And I'm also perfectly happy to not be, and

Jessamyn 1:21:00 I think probably what we're going to wind up doing, if if, like, everything I hope and dream works out correctly, is my sister and I are probably going to start like a nonprofit in the state of Massachusetts, that's going to have some nebulous hand wavy thing, and we're gonna see if we can take over malt shop. So that malt shop will be I mean, with everybody's agreement, like this is something you know, I'm gonna take it over for myself,

Cortex 1:21:22 you're not supposed to talk about the plan before you pull it off. Isn't that how all the

Jessamyn 1:21:27 evil overlords operate it but then it would be owned by a nonprofit, which will reduce our tax burden, which really is the only thing that stands in the way of, you know, having this website be amazing forever. You know what I mean? Because like, taxes are expensive, and getting a guy to do your taxes is expensive. So maybe we can have it owned by a nonprofit. But the only reason that it's a year old matters is that many, many people there's a huge overlap between malt shop and metta filter users. And many, many people renewed re upped signed on for us again, chipped in some money. And you know, just wanted to say thanks, because hey, it's really cool to run a tiny little website that keeps going slowly. Yeah. Yeah, so the it launched today thing was something that Sark posted in the middle of May in 2017. And I don't think there was like a, hey, it's a year old. And if we had been a little bit more on our communications, we would have told people that they're gonna get hit with a renewal thing. And I just wasn't, I wasn't really I don't even know where I was. I was way out of town. So oh, it was our library conference or something. At any rate. Yeah. So hey, thanks. And also metal filters, turning 20 Next year next year, which I thought was this year because I can't read and never know what time it is. So like bond cliff, and I were like, Yeah, we should totally do something and bond cliffs like Yeah, but I'm gonna be in Canada. And I was like, Alright, fuck it, we won't do anything. And then he's like, but it won't be in Canada next year. I'm like, I don't care what you're doing next year. Oh, wait. And I email them back and be like, Oh, right. Okay, we just totally do something that it's next year right. So I think next year we'll probably do a thing in Massachusetts like me gym other gym. Gym three

Cortex 1:23:17 all the gyms Yeah. Yeah. Every every champion gymnasium.

I'm not sure if tapping on the mic to see if the thing is on works as well on audio as on video because it just sounds like there's actually something wrong with your mic. But I appreciate I liked the bit. You got it. So the important thing, some fun, chatty things. Another talk there was the New Year's resolution checking update from fizz just the other day

Jessamyn 1:23:49 like that. I mean, you know, right up there with eyebrows Biggie in terms of like fun things posted the metal talk. And it's not even his job. Not that eyebrows probably wouldn't do it if it weren't her job to but is definitely like, just I really feel like works to make metal talk like a nice place where people want to hang out and talk about things,

Cortex 1:24:09 which is a good thing. And I really appreciate that. Yeah, it's

Jessamyn 1:24:11 great. All of eyebrows topics are great. And it's fun talking about stuff to fizz do and I also liked you know, the news resolution chicken update thread is for some people like a good news, bad news thread, you know, but I felt like for people who weren't struggling, there would be people there who are like, ah, you know, sorry, stuffs not going so good. Or how can we help or whatever. Exactly. You made three blog posts in January and gave yourself a c minus on your blogging resolution.

Cortex 1:24:39 C minus all around. I am giving myself an F on blogging. Oh, because I've been doing a lot of art. So you've been doing a lot of art. Yeah, I'm giving myself an A plus on art for me.

Jessamyn 1:24:48 Yeah. And a plus but then Josh, where do you go from there?

Cortex 1:24:51 Well, I start. I establish expectations for myself and then next year I grade myself harder because I've set such expectations and then I'm angry at myself for being unfair when all the other kids aren't doing as much art and why are they still getting A's, and then I have a really problematic long term dynamic with like reward versus

Jessamyn 1:25:09 anyway, thank you setting up future Josh for success.

Cortex 1:25:12 I should probably just do that instead. Oh,

Jessamyn 1:25:15 man, I had a hand in my grades and like almost all my students got A's except for two students who failed. And they really failed. Like, I mean, they stopped going to class seven, like they super failed, but I still felt bad failing them. But then I felt weird that everyone else got an A two. So variants of A's. I guess a couple got the pluses. But still, like the grades ranged from like, 88 to 101. Sure. I don't know what that means about my teaching. I just felt like if they were all gonna get A's, I would have liked to have just given them all A's and not graded 36 different projects in

Cortex 1:25:51 that, but I don't know, I think I think there's something to be said about teaching as primarily a process and interaction and at that point, like, worrying about the distribution of grades. It's like, no, no, no, wait, maybe everything. Literally everything else that happened in the course of the class was maybe more important.

Jessamyn 1:26:09 Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But yeah, still felt weird. So set yourself up for more success.

Cortex 1:26:15 Next year, two pluses.

Jessamyn 1:26:19 Not a thing.

Cortex 1:26:20 Next year, I'm gonna get an S grade, which everybody who plays hardcore video games knows is the actual good grade.

Jessamyn 1:26:27 I don't actually know except, what now.

Cortex 1:26:31 games where you can like achieve grades in performance, especially Japanese games, in particular, tend to or games from Japanese publishers tend to be like, you know, D is bad C's Okay, be as good as great. S means you actually fucking nailed it. Super good job. I have no idea.

Jessamyn 1:26:53 Okay, somebody listening to this, please? What the hell that is?

Cortex 1:26:58 Makes a post about the history of masquerades in video games. We've all agreed that that's somehow his job now. But anyway, I didn't really mean to spend that long and grades I just wanted to also say I like this thread from violet you about like, do you use metal filter in joke jargon at home?

Jessamyn 1:27:17 Oh, my God, which I don't know, Secretary about anything else?

Cortex 1:27:21 Well, that's the thing. I mean, I talk about metal filter a ton like me and Angela, we're just going to talk about medical care a lot. Cuz, you know, it's my job. And I own the company and all this stuff. Like it's a part of my life. Yeah, like, medical, there's very much what's going on in my day to day life pretty much every day. But I don't know that we use many in jokes. And maybe just because it's so saturated, like, at a certain point. I'm not gonna be like, Well, I sure did want to DTMF a that thread. I'm like, Oh, this fucking thread. You know, it's like, there's a certain casual this there. That? Yeah. But other people,

Jessamyn 1:27:56 Jim, Jim. And I mostly use kind of a hypothetical asked Metafilter to work out some of our disputes. You know, where, you know, he'll be like, wherever I want this. And I'm like, why I want this. And he's like, Man, my reasons. And I'm like, my reasons. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, your reasons. But if we asked Metafilter anonymously, about our names attached to it, you got to admit they would side with me because your argument is nuts. And he'll be like, and I'll be like, Look, you write the question, I'll post it anonymously we agree to do whatever the outcome is. And that's usually when he realizes he is. Like with me, he'll argue with me but he wouldn't argue with the entire internet worth of people that are also going to disagree with them.

Cortex 1:28:41 Yeah. Oh, there's also one more thing I should mention for meta talk is the best title with that we did finished up and there's I just linked to a post with it. So Johnny wallflower last month. proposed a best title contest to basically just come up with good titles for your posts and so we ran that through may just a low key thing we sidebar to it and talk about meta talk and then and then it's June now So John, yeah, so just happened. Just just

Jessamyn 1:29:22 gratulations man of twists and turns mandolin conspiracy for 45 supermag. Roger Ackroyd white to Carl fizz diesel, WC Mike Joe Zydeco Buddha in a bucket and the gaffer

Cortex 1:29:35 also, the shape of wafer, and the shape of Roger Ackroyd, sorry. So yes, I I already said I know I got I got all tuned up backwards on it anyway. So Roger ackward

Jessamyn 1:29:48 and fearful symmetry and rumble. I just like reading everybody's name. Yeah, it's fun. And you got to mention cortex because you had some Dippy bunch of frickin what that magnet post, yeah. Oh, how did I not mention that? That was really good? I mean, you know, yeah, your your title is ridiculous. But

Cortex 1:30:14 I, you know, the thing I think about my title, and I want to say, and I should have tested this to see if I could get away with putting in non breaking space characters, but I was worried that entities wouldn't work right in the title for some reason. So I really wanted to there'll be more spaces on the farther out dashes on that title instead of like, but it's just going to collapse them down to a single space, because whitespace gets treated like that by browser because of what we talked about last month. Exactly. So So I ended up not fully realizing my vision with that title. And I probably could have tried harder. But

Jessamyn 1:30:42 I got it. And I think it looks good. And after a certain point, really, you got to move on. Right, exactly. That was a great thread. And we should have mentioned it in the regular old Metafilter watching magnets colliding at 1000 frames a second is amazing. And it was fun. If it's the same video that I saw, which I assume it is. At the very end of it. They have the full speed.

Cortex 1:31:01 Yeah. Oh, I see. I see how fast I was actually moving.

Jessamyn 1:31:06 Right that you're like, Oh, I was actually watching a thing happening thinking it's a thing eyeballs can see and it's super not. Yep. Yeah, no, that's great. That was a great set. Yeah,

Cortex 1:31:15 it was it was it was fun. I just I probably found that I'm I'll jump to

Jessamyn 1:31:20 maybe that's where I saw it originally.

Cortex 1:31:21 It could be a lot of stuff ends up in tabs. And then by the time we get around to making a post, I've lost track of how it got there. So I should just assume everything is from either mold shopper mastered on

Jessamyn 1:31:31 the fact that we're kind of you know, old people nerd meme farm.

Cortex 1:31:34 Yeah, yeah, we're not we're not right on the cutting edge. But we get there three days later. Yeah. Quick, Metafilter Music Minute because there's nice music and I like it. The Vice Admiral neuroses posted this wonderful, weird little thing called lorem ipsum. That is using VOCALOID, which is a vocal synthesizer thing. Being driven by a drum sequencer with weird synth stuff. It's fantastically weird and this is exactly what you should do. If you unreason is make weird shit like this. So I enjoyed that a great deal. There's a very nice sort of

Jessamyn 1:32:11 arrhythmia and now it's great.

Cortex 1:32:15 Eric grande posted nest mess, which he describes as a breezy song about hanging out in LA and that's exactly what it isn't. It's very nice.

Jessamyn 1:32:23 Oh, I love it kind of a Tom Petty esque at least beginning to it.

Cortex 1:32:26 Yeah. There's something that something in the drumbeat reminded secretary at night when we were listened to this morning of the drumbeat from the start of shine by Collective Soul, even though the rest of the song doesn't really sound like that. But that's all there's your drum news. Also, que estar. Ben posted Vakama oil, which is a weird little thing made using sampler on an Opie one synthesizer, sampling its own built in FM radio, that get little bits of things to turn into a drum track. It's great. It's super great. And you should listen to it. And then, what did I just click on? I just accidentally clicked on a list of Deep Space Nine episode transcripts. That's a link I haven't used in like three years. One more just as a chaser chocolate cat posted something called Boilermaker. And it's fantastic. And you know, chocolate. So there's your music. There is your Music Minute. Awesome. And I think that's that's basically it. You mentioned, I haven't been paying any close attention to fanfare. The last bit, although we fixed a couple of bugs. So go for unbel

Jessamyn 1:33:45 I've been starting to chat with people about movies. I also saw Super Troopers two which had a very short fanfare thread. But it was it was good because we started to drive it in Vermont like you should. And the solo thread was good. And I've been following along with the SNL threads until SNL wrapped up and elementary which you know is kind of that Sherlock Holmes Lucy Liu and what's his but yeah,

Cortex 1:34:07 Johnny fan

Jessamyn 1:34:09 speech chuckling along

Cortex 1:34:10 I need to I should look and see if anybody posted nailed it because speaking of super diverse to one of the guys from Super tourist who was on I think the last episode of the sixth episode, Ron have nailed it, which is a cooking show based on the concept of cake wrecks essentially so this is like a hot mess it

Jessamyn 1:34:27 was it was a J or was it one of the other J Yeah, cuz he was just on Brooklyn nine nine, the episode that we saw. I mean, you know, it's weeks ago now in real time, but we just saw it two nights ago and we're like, oh my god. Okay, amazing.

Cortex 1:34:40 So he's all over the place. He actually leaves the set in the middle of his episode because he has to go pick up his kids because nothing happened and you can tell that people on Saturday like you're really fucking just gonna, but he came back to the end for the judging of the cakes. So anyway, it's a it's a weird, dumb mess of a show but Nicole Byer hosted it and she hilarious and I should see if it got disgust on fanfare because on the one hand I don't know why anyone would but on the other hand, who knows people post all sorts of stuff to fanfare so maybe other people also watch that particular genial piece of trash television. So I should look that up there's there's my fanfare news is I have no idea if anybody's posted this stupid show that I watched.

Jessamyn 1:35:22 You know, you might be pleasantly surprised I get a

Cortex 1:35:25 coin flip odd. It seems like it's entirely possible. And yeah, that's that. I think I think that's a podcast. I think great. Let's

Jessamyn 1:35:33 catch up a little before Fourth of July because after Fourth of July, everything gets a little

Cortex 1:35:38 hectic. Maybe Maybe Maybe Maybe these two sandwiches these two podcasts will be gone for like beginning like this one's a few days into June maybe we'll do the next one like the last couple days of June so both June and June will be like the meat in a podcast sandwich now but then it all just I just jumped scraped the word sandwich. I just said sandwich. I think the title of this is just gonna be sandwich is cereal

Jessamyn 1:36:03 a sandwich. Is

Cortex 1:36:05 this this? Oh, man.

Jessamyn 1:36:06 Let's see.

Cortex 1:36:09 Okay, I'm writing down. That's the title. All right. Good work. Good work all around. Let's, let's let's get off this train before it flies off the cliff. Great. Always a pleasure.