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A transcript for Episode 137: "It Descended Into Butts" (2018-02-08).

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T, so, hey, cast out. Hey, welcome to s7of besl1b the in ilter monthly podcast. I am joshua, aka cortex,.

I am justment.

It is tuesday, the 10 06 when you look at your clock and it doesn't have the data, it doesn't work that way. Tuesday, february 6, 2206.

At 10 06 pacific time, server time, and here we are, we're podcasting. It's time for podcast.

Yeah, 137 is something that... this is just really care about.

Is it an atomic weight? It's too high to be an element number, or is it like, I think you eyed chase down yet.

I'm like rating wikipedia backwards, which is not recommended, but basically what bysiness est le on litterman numbered his home near firmy lab 137. Oh, less based on the significance of the number to those in his profession. I mean.

It's the sequence of.

Poses is to me, it all over the place.

Shows up and make it all over the place.

It's a pure number, doesn't.

Mean cos that men, somebody may be a listener could explain this to me because I got as far as like wolf gang poly, a pioneer of quantom physics died in a hospital room. Number 137, eco incidence that disturbed him, we to.

Come on physicist tells what a mans.

Come out, kipda. I've spent so much time this last month does not the kid, it's not the next element. L we found up to 1 18, I guess, or have speculated 1 18. I don't know. 1 37 man. Okay. Ed.

It to addis, to pride, and it's a twin print with 139 coming up.

Nice, it is on.

9 doesn't sound like it should be a prime. It's wet. So prime.

Let's go like a three in a nine. And then those were both a divisible things.

Yeah, 39sdep went on prime a like, oh, I e e I o n.

What is the significance of the number 137 in physics.

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It's related to the so called fine structure, contestant of quantum electro dynamics. This derived quantity is given by combining several fundamental constants of nature, and then there's some car accident of numbers on my screen, and then it explains it to me. And then I still don't understand it.

Yeah. Okay. So I'll link this to you.

Yeah, we can call that to randay reading. I've been too much doing too much. I never managed to read books anyway. And I've been reading books about art again, which is me ever reading book. So that's kind of nice, but it's a... a a pipe, all of my patients on a s, because I can go to the library and find books on topics, and I enjoy that. Everyone is... well, I don't know. I mean I really span of books, but many other people, especially people who have to spend a lot of time on the internet often aren't so just r, but.

I have to spend a lot of time on the internet, and so getting a book from the library s kind of fun, what I think to do that I have a complicated relationship with books where I don't do that much reading anymore. And I was definitely one of those kids who was reading all the time a lot in high school. And then around college, I think, honestly, I think video games got more advanced, and I started having an independent budget, and so I could just decide to play video gives that had an effect on things to some ing sent in s of hall, used my leader time as a kid I played via given as much as I could, but to some extent, you're a kid and your parents on say, hey, stop leg in tendo. And so I would go to my room read or something. I think that influenced it significantly at the time. But.

I don't know. Yeah. So I don't do a ton of reading and it's complicated because I like reading and books are good and stories are good. Fiction is a non fictions, pretty good. And I get books as gifts, and then a lot of the time I just don't get around reading them. And I read electronic co.

Are just literally not anything in the book form? No. No. T e I e I o, I don't know that kindler, anything like that. When I do read a book, it's basically always actually a physical book. I just do a lot of reading online and I do a lot of other stuff. And it's weird'cause it feels like something at odds with what remains part of my sense of what I identity is someone who love case. It's kind of like, oh yeah, of course. I'm a reader. Of course. I love books. I'm a book person who just doesn't ever read anymore. So

yeah,. So

what are you reading right now? I

am reading a book called beyond geometry, which is sort of a survey of geometric and post geometric art in the united states and notably the rest of the world in the'40s5060s and'70si us id aking as its thesis. Hey, what frank, stella, and all those minimalist guys in the us were great and all, but they didn't actually fuck an invented. So let's talk about everybody else too. That's great. And

I've been reading a book called conceptual art of the time, but it's a bunch of essays from the'60s and'7v0s about conceptual art and the art world and art criticism. And yeah, it's really interesting stuff in a sort of... also sometimes really boring and dry, and I'll skip to the next essay sort of way. I think with all art

writing, that's definitely true. You have to a click with the person in order to be able to get through it, because some of just aren't talking if you're not necessarily within that world is really difficult. Yeah, I sort of crashing

in as part of the weird thing. This is probably this critical antologia is probably a really interesting specimen as a collection of what was being written and by whom and in what way over that decade or so. But that's kind of a 201301take on the whole big in, I said to a e I o what you're at. I kind like this or is in a like that, hey, look, I've made something with lives. It's a weird s de of stuff, but all a alli'm into it. I don't rember how we got out this. We should probably talk to that file a sure. So I'm reading something called

the road taken, which is all about traffic infrastructure who. I like that. Yeah, you

would love this. It's written by this engineering guy who is also actually very good at a add. Oh, interesting. It's also the name of a documentary film about the experience of black canadian sleeping car porters. But that's not what I'm thinking of. Yeah. He's an engineer dude, who also is really good at writing about engineering and in the morning I can read stuff that's a little more kind of dry and thinking at it. Right. I just have to read kind of weird holocaust thrillers that keep me up all night for some reason. I can't figure out. But for me it's like, books are medicine. So if I'm not reading a book, there's something really wrong with me. Yeah. Well,. So, yeah, hey, good book

cock. What's it. It was... okay, a lot

of book, doc, I definitely talked a lot. So that's... we got that smart dot. Anyway, let's talk to jobs. There were some jobs. There's a job in australia and the taxation, bureaucracy. So if you're in australia on a motostrano to do taxes, that's the category. It just like ex centaline o the post. That's no good. That's gonna crash my post parter later. So you know that australia. Well,. There's not a lot of

information. You've gotta be oriented to

austrian circumstances. It's in tasmania of all places. It's part time, but heck,. If there's one person who's

like, well, actually, you know, that's. In the user's only comment

on the site or post on the site,. I as really looking forward

to learning about is I need a john cloud von johnson want for a six foot three adult. This is definitely the job

of the month. Yeah, no, really, mods, I'm

a hundred percent legit. This is not a stuc post. This is nenita. I can totally see why this is important. Yes, this guy is married

because he would be friendwith. My sister. I can understand the motivation

to clarify this other, but there's not a moment in my... not a moment of doubt. I was like, yes, this is, I believe. I believe this is a no bot word. Honestly. You do try to source something specific. That's a job. And specific, that doesn't fall

along the normal bell curve of... yeah, I don't... a what's on cloud fan johnson. It's a new already canceled

show, staring shanon am. As a guy who is a start, I hand hem on tana thing, except for being john cluband is the basic idea that. Doesn't help me in the.

Least anamon tana. I'll come

on hanamot0no as a... a start. I is where when she was a child actor and she played a I m I knew what he looked chionites6k. Super star, who also had

a secret identity in the day time. So she was like hannam on tan a stage musician, and also just like regular kid in the mean time and secret identies a lot I sort of jim is except for did jim, I ever rolling a r o o the breach farther back. Okay. It's, it's... I don't know if I know anything older is it's like I... I... I saw that. It's like the incredible hole,

except instead of doing science and freaking out. Miley cyrus was doing being a normal kid and also doing music and all the. Making control when she changed.

I think it was more

scheduled in the whole, so not very much. It's not very much like the incredible... it's kind like dr jeckle and mr high except for... it's not victorian and there's no murders. And there's no potion. Yeah,

so anyway, I guess

that's what john cloud ban johnson is. So maybe the a. Se, the tour movie. The

rename not a... a

until. I have questions on a.

Well, you could ask them

and I could just make up answers to. That I just... I go

to me because I'm talking to you that, oh, right. Fan fairs where I should take all of my media questions. Would I don't know why

I didn't think of it before? Thanks josh. Yeah, no, I'm my helper.

Yeah. As epl or thing on jobs to go. Ah. On take... look jobs. Jobs. Hey,. Hey, I t, I think

I summed up a bunch of projects this time around because I tried to, but maybe there was only one. Yeah, jim coin. Yes, not

r j, our

friend bondcliff to you and all the metafilter people just started goofing on twitter one day about how he's making his own block chain. And you guys may know him as the guy who occasionally builds guitars or kind of slightly cool holiday secret quantar projects. And so he decided to do this ridiculous thing where he would make a block chain, which is literally blocks linked with chains and sell tom or let people have them or whatever. And it became funny enough and got linked enough places that he actually put the whole goofy thing up on project, which then got promoted to metafilter because it's just something you could enjoy it at first, all the blocks were free, but then he started selling them a little bit to fund raise for planned parenthood. And then he sold off a heart shape block, which was block number 69, which I just said nice on it. But then it turned into kind of a weird thing'cause the person who wanted was from read it, but they wanted to put someone else's name on it. I like maybe that was kind of fucked up but it's... it's er, etcetera, and it's just a joyus internet fun thing. Yeah, it was her. As in

a holy and I

wand up with blocks right next to each other, I don't even know how. Just the right timing at it.

The thing to at that. Then yes, thats a thing. There's

bunch of cool stuff on... there was a couple metafilter things on projects this last month. One far luca farther kar put together an open street map thing. Basically, some people who use script blocker stuff to not let google affect their brazen behavior so much may not also be able to use the google map stuff that we use for some stuff on medical ter. And so you can use this to use open street happ insteas a work around I under perentie. I understand that it just means that links that previously went to google maps. We'll get re written to go to the open treatment version of that. I don't wanna do things like you. Do I understand completely. So we

have some map links

that appear on the site profile, page stuff, and irl. And I think the idea is if you're basically cutting out that google functionality from your browsing experience as a sort of firewalling thing, then those links won't work because you're making them not work on purpose. So this would then let you use the open street map api instead to get at those geographic links. So it... so like I parenting a hole that you have created yourself by blocking this google stuff. Teck hem, aso, it's like, oh

yeah. Or very specific itual thing. It's... that's a good thing to make. Explicit axe ltl things. And I always appreciate little hack

avery thing to help people who want to be hacker, continue to be hacker and get access to the things that they want. Slash love. And open tree map is amazing.

So yeah,. Another a e. S this month.

Yeah, this that's

not gonna do

with mine. No. No, that's cool. That's exciting

though. Or helping a neighborhood mapping program,

like get lists of community spaces. And so as a result, I had to use gis for a thing. And so I got a gis program and I got the parcel, whatever the hell it is for my town. And now I have a clickable map of every parcel in my town. And I can tell where all the little boxes are. And it wasn't as hard as I thought, but a nice internet person who I know that does gis kinda talk me through. Alright, I have this software loaded, it's got a 10usand button, which three to wi. Precip hat. Do you eat to

a t

I e drum in time who is also really in the gis and showed me the 911gis maps that are online? And so you can also look at those and get a different view'cause they use different layers and whatever of the same stuff. I was very exciting. So now I'm even more excited about maps than I normally might be. Yeah, g has really starts to pop

off one. He started using multiple sources to synthesize new views and stuff. Yeah, and so much of the data

is free, which is a. E ton of this is just like

provided basically government data sources that there is other... yeah. No, you should ping secretary sometimes who she does tea stuff as well. Oh god, I keep forgetting. And she

used my new buddy and learned league so there not to for it and it to ceo. She's on board, I think it... we've

already have one discussion bout like, oh, what? I have to go to the geology field work. And like it lands right on, I don't remember statale the time in work, but what if like land rights, a non suppose for doing something that I have to do an eight hour drive. And so you. Can get your questions in advance. There's

a whole system built it to go, not to worry. All right,. We want her to succeed.

Yes,. Yeah,

and it's a nice group


medical or people on learned leak. So that's cool. Texline another project that I really like right at the end of the last podcast, but you... we just barely podcasted last month'cause they're mostly call in, which I enjoyed. But it means that there's probably some stuff from december. We didn't even talk about. Ot is by tmc and it's box breathing

box, and essentially if you're somebody who does kind of meditation or control breathing or etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, it's literally a box with a light, and it shows you like inhale for four seconds. Hold it for four scents, exhale for four seconds, do it again. And for whatever reason, it's just beautiful. It's a beautiful little thing. It can help you do a thing you might want, o as jones, posted it to meta filter. And I don't know, just again, it's just one of those little take thing that normally you would just be counting and have a little thing with a switch that you can do it. And nelson link to a web page that actually kinda does the same thing if you need help doing it. And if you just wanna stare at an internet screen, there's actually a website that lets do it, is. Such a nice... a littl instruct... I just

like this minimalist in nature like the... just a switch box size and... oh man, that's were the nice... that's great. I guess I have acting that before. Yeah. Well'cause it showed up right at the cusp

of like when we were recording to a... a, a. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's funny'cause in principle I've seen

everything that is post a project, so I think I manage to review that in in one of those gold fish. I will give this exactly not attention. So what happens is when I someimes or projects post, it comes in as they write up the text and they linked to it, and maybe they had some extra links in the write up, and then it just tasks in the cue, and then we review it, which we as usually me at this point, but everyone's all another model to other people could out on vacation, otherwise. Yeah, I'll get to it anywhere between within two minutes of, I happen to be at my email to maybe the next day if I'm not working that day. So I look at it and if I have the time to sort of sit in the jury to say, oh, what's this neat? Using someone's put in here that I'll sit down and look, remit be like, oh, this is great. And I'll live a comment, other... and then I might be like, okay, does the link work? It does. Okay. Is there anything really worrying in the write up text. Nope. Alright. Put it through. And if it turns out that if something suddely worrying, someone can write as a contact form and actually looks... I don't do that, I... to worrying my dude. Yeah. I think I will give this the five seconds it

takes to verify that it works and move on in the middle of whoever, who knows what was going on in january 24th, but something bahal. That's where the need. Yeah, and one other one that I really liked only

because it's kind of a slash project is jason digitized, how I became a 44 year old wrapper because his friends were making fun and his wife and her friends were making fun of him because of performing the running man and the roger rabbit. And so he basically made a little movie. Basically. He asked and asked manipal or question everything here is kind of redundant, but he asked a askmetafilter question, which I saw at the same time how to be a 44 year old white rapper. And I was like, oh god. But it turned... it was actually kind of a helpful thread and some useful stuff. And then he made a little video about it and actually made ten dollars from strangers. I lie. It have not seen the video yet. I've been saving it, but I kind of love the whole idea, especially because that's kind of my age and demographic. So I like seeing people kind of messing around and trying to try to still do things. Yeah, that's great. Another metafilter thing, a brand new user,

I don't know

if it's a new account or actually just a long time looker, but thomas bielskis probably made a ton a probably. A anyway, that made a methi post recommendation engine basically

did use a bunch of blabla. I did a bunch of analysis based on user history of supposed to comments and then post that exist in the database and just tries to guess, well, hey, maybe you will like these. So it's just kind of like some language processing experimentation and search stuff, and it's all et hacky. Just turns up a nice plane page with. Does it work for you since you're mod. It functions

for me, I put in a usenet, it

works, but I mean, did you get stuff that was interesting? I haven't spent enough time to decide if I think

it's good recommendations. One of the things interesting is apparently everybody likes the post sky cat. Ky catch top for me too. Yeah, so there may

be something... it may be over

generalizing in some way. Well,. And that's weird too, because ky cant only... I figured

it was one of those things where somebody put 7000 flat tags on sky cat, but they didn't even spell helicopter at. I don't know that. So I eat. I'm really curious how that ended up being this dominant

thing, but yeah, no, I'd be curious. No more about the details. It feels like... I think part of it is I look at this and I see if everybody's getting the same. My first instinct is, well, that's a problem. That's obviously a problem, because if everybody likes the same thing, then it's not like it's not gonna do it to... yeah,. Exactly. And that's not really fair'cause it's possible that there's

something that just kinda... everybody's pretty likely to like and what I realized, what I'm doing it, my mental model saying, well, I want the post that I proportionately like the most. I want the post that I like more than the... a a a exactly. Eh'cause everybody likes chocolate ice cream more or less. And obviously

there's lots of exceptions do that, but the ideas are like shock. Lanie cream is a thing that lots and lots of people like. And so on the one hand, I could say, well, no chocolate. I cries. Define. Me as a person, but on the other hand, if you're saying

you're a person, you probably like checklis cream, you're kinda on the money. So there are two different ideas and. Well, it's like those interesting kind of maps, those click bait maps

where they were like, what term is google than your tax or your state more than all the other states? So it's not just like, what do people google the most, which is like porn, but what is this race. Every word cloud would be dominated by the word, the... if you

didn't accept it, there is a... well, the. Spect drop out. Well,. Yeah, you get a stuben. The I see

word clouds to do

it right then the word

class that don't do it wrong. I'd see a lot of work class that actually like the limited the stop words, but nothing else common. And so it's like, oh, okay. Well, the 5 first most common word in the al is the most common word in your word club. You're not telling me thing buy. Yeah. Anyway, I have opinions about all sorts of things. Apparently. That's why we're here talking today, if you didn't have any opinions,

this would be a lane, po guest, or rather would just be justments opinions, which wouldn't be laid per se. In fact, I might like it, but I hate tthere was the people they are looking for. There's a nice project that is also just kinda ice thought from

eg nicknack that we've mentioned many, many a twitter bought on the podcast before, because he makes lots of great little twiter bots. And so he did a project where he sat down and said, well, what if I archive all of the output in my twitter box to not twitter in case twitter becomes not really a place I wanna have stuff b, s? So he built a static site up, dear to update periodically sites dedicated to our pages, dedicated to various ponsible has a real simple thing. There's nothing really sexy about it, but it's kind of a good thing to think about it. It's a good way to think about how to be centralize yourself from these super centralized corporate social media hubs, it... yeah. Again, a good way to hack around and make it the web

you want, not the web you're delivered. Yeah, I think that's cool. Pool to a rone spei. Here's a bunch of stuff. Like you

said, we kinda missed january or in december. So yeah. Anyway, lots of good stuff on productus, go look at it. I feel like it was a little bit of a burst of creativity. It round on the start a year, which is pretty great. And yeah, people make things that I like it. So there on a tow and you... what case we never really talk about here is fat fare. And I wanted to specifically mention fan faire exists. It's a great place to get your questions about the whole answered or whatever. The hecl somebody had mentioned in asme filter. They asked whether they should see, get out because they were concerned. It might be too creepy. It is kind of a horror movie. But they talked about like, I don't like this special or that special or whatever. And somebody did mention like, oh, well, hey, come to fan fare and talk about it. And one of the things about that is I happen to know there is still an stitely active, get out thread there. So don't just assume that because the movie came out two months ago, you can't still chime in and say something thanks to recent activity, but the reason I mentioned fan first specifically is there was a nice fun, small eagles versus patriots, super bowl thread that I enjoyed while I did not enjoy. I went to my sisters and we had food for super roll, but I had a terrible cold. And so I kinda hacked through it. And so it was actually fun to go back and read through the super bowl thing where my people talk about it as opposed to everyone else. Yep. No, it was nice to get that up. I was not keeping

real close track of it when it was actually happening. I was helping a friend move en fics gurl was moving out as crappy apartment from him. Did he get, as you. Got a house. He got a or

a as a home owner,.

I should really be checking in on his life more specifically for

how much I care about it. But. Yeah, no, we gotta move or at least mostly move. We've got

all the big stuff moved ed, some stuff to go back for a sunday evening. And I think today, but I. A. Sup holing done so. Congratulations for him. I would uk you


his address so I

can send them a bar. Chocolate. Absolutely or something. And there's other stuff go to fan, or fan

fair is good.

We're still working on trying to figure out a good rework for the front page on that and stuff. We've talked about that before and still to a one of those things you wanna do what you've done with some of the other things is get the fanfare, people specifically talking in a metatalk thread about what's absent, that rely should be there and see. Yeah. Which we all done in a close too. So we've got good. Ol... but then it doesn't get us from folks, a ya, there's

a bunch of... it's so out. It's a part to implement a whole new way of dealing with the front page than it is to clone a front pagers as what we do in the first place. Well, and with every other subsite, honestly, fan fare is actually different.

Yeah. There's a fan fair talk, the a l let's gslis. That I

really mostly use it to talk about saturday live and

two or three e. There's book clubs, there's more stuff in there is site, have a

ability of that stuff is the big. E, I was a talk different from the water. Cool. The water

colections are clean. You a. Terse e e e e

e, which is probably part of where

the front page will go when we re work it to get more of it like, hey, here's what's going on rather than here. Cesena at la, people have posted. And can I just say, thank

you, internet people for telling me

and really pushing that I should watch the good place. Because I've been completely like, no, no, no. What's your name's irritating

ted dancing? Looks like he's super irritating. This looks irritating because I grew up in a decade of lots of weird kind of god and heaven chosen movies that were all shity. She thought it was gonna be like cloing and earnest, and instead,

it's fantastic and a different kind of earnest. Yeah. Well, it's not all about the two of them. There's a huge

group of characters, all of whom are real characters. Somebody was like... it's like community only it a place in this weird place. And so somebody pushed me to see it, and now I'm excited to go talk to people on the ben filter about it. Yep. Yeah, no, it's good. I, a... so I will say, I guess,

in the spirit of talking about and leans a on fanfare, I've been very much enjoying the fan very discussion of star trek discovery to which it has turned out to be a show that I really am diggin. Is that... sorry? Is that like a new star trek. Yeah, that's

the new one that's currently airing nt erring because it's

being shown on extremeness. Bullshit and vcs tetrinet service'cause they want to somehow kill their good

star trek show by so. It's literally not on tv, it's on nbc internet. I have no idea

how many people watching fanfaire are actually watching it

the way this supposed to be watch versus just acquiring it by other means, because who is gonna order an be ses, dumb thing. But it's good if we're the... I'm a joing and the thread discusion has been good. And I came to the thread discussions around episode 10 or so after just having been watching it as it came along and secretary or watching it. And the first thread I read through the are like seven or a things that people had decided were definitely true that I had not even picked up on at all. So our in regis ect,. I... oh, yeah. Okay, I guess. Yeah. Okay. That's a good point. Oh

shit. It's if

someone gave you a fee or dream description of an episode of a show that never existed and you're just like, what? What? Except for... they were actually watching the show and paying more attention than me, and it was what was really going on. So that's been good discussion up in an join that. Rec. Yeah, would you like to discuss a minifilter blue, the big front


Yeah, or some of that. Here's what I liked about the blue this

time around you and me.

Both made really good posts. Were great, we're super. So go you and go me, and let's get

that out of the

way a years was about the guy who carves skills at a ol software manual. With an assist or me that was like, you're why that post ended

up happening. I think. Oh, should I do... so yeah,. I know that it was a that

I think, I think because they...

for bound them on the internet. Yeah. Catland dowdy, who is a really terrific writer, who I had all that. Right. So she wrote a book, kaitlyn oude did about... oh, I forgot. Her book is. It's a book about a. From here to eternity, it's all about death

culture, but it like it

a good way. She says a sense of humor. She's kind of like mary roach for the slately younger set. And I had tweeted something at her about my own sort of things last year. And then I noticed she tweets about a whole bunch of funny stuff, including this picture of this book, which I then posted the mall, chop which you then saw and made a post about a menial there, which was awesome. Yep, go. Ten. Good. Yeah. And then I posted a thing about five

large canadian men and the little dogs they loved, which was much more popular than I was expecting. It's basically like tall dudes with little dogs, but they do this sort of cty poo video about it on... what is it? Canadian buzz feed. Oh, it's canadian broadcasting corporation just did a little document about kind of rescue dogs, but it's just a happy story. So metafilter people can just kind of enjoy it the end. And so they did. And I got to see lots of pictures, tall meta filter people and their tie bugs, which was super fun. And then because I live on hoff, I enjoyed this post that I made about snow cloud drivers on colorado's infamous highway 550. Oh, we are a color, and it's a weird way to a co.

Don't need the stress from... this is my basic pig. Great. Yes. Sketty.

So my favorite is things were those things. What were

some of your favorites? I will find my other favorite things. I... I liked several things, I think as there were things that were

good, there was a post itmade posed about video games, which is kind of a water is wet thing, but in a good way like water is good. I like water and water being wet is very useful. So keep it up is you can also post about other s of il. So I don't wanna type cash on a lone a trap you in a box here, but also don't stop. There's a post about trap adventure to nomally and also about some other stuff, but particularly about trapit venture two, because it's a game like a deliberately cruel to d, pixel platformer. The wait, what does deliberately cruel mean? And that. To whitis good characters.

A mean to the player, it does get it.

Defies... yeah, no, you

don't wanna play this or you do wanna go

watch the video of the game play in the post because it roar former, actually like a genre, or is platform or to the genre. Platform as the genre, there's arguably cornel platform, probably is sort of a

nice subgenre cause it's not by far the first time this has been done. There's a famous game called, I wanna be the guy that was the same sort of thing. And there's a bunch of others, basically, of that title. Yeah, which is classic in every... since there havebeen a lot of things

that take the basic idea of a platform, which is the broder supermario brothers metro, jumping on platforms platforms. Right? But the cruel brand of platform or takes that, and instead of saying, okay, we're going to reward you for developing a sense of the flow in the mechanics of the game. So you play eper, erie, brother, s bunch, you could better at running and jumping and hitting blocks and using special blocks and I... and. It's not like there's some kind of like simcity guide zilla that just

comes in and kills you, it high, eh, better. You go to to 3 minutes or. Yeah, the more you play it, the more you're gonna feel rewarded by

just the flow of game plays really satisfying to get good at it and feel like it feels natural after many hours of play. You're like, oh man, I'm really doing stuff that I thought was impossible. Because I'm improving at the game and not being readily punished for no

reason. Yeah, exactly, your developing skill, you're developing familiarity, and it builds up a

sense of accomplishment and there's pleasure that... so things like traffic venture to what they do and say, okay, we're gonna teach you a thing, or we're gonna work from the knowledge you've already gained from playing platformers to kill you unexpectedly again and again and again and again by defying every bit of common understanding you have about how these games should work. So jump on this platform. Oh, it went away in your dead. Oh, so you learn. Oh, well, I need to jump and then jump away. Okay. When you jump away a fired all his you and your dead. Oh, okay. So I have to jump away. Jump back for my go. That's great falls on you. And you're dead. Yeah, a watching this terrier to watch it. It's not the first in this genre at all, but it was a lot of fun. And he of is use that as a like starting point post about some other platforms and mentoring venio stuff. And yeah, mentioned game, a relic dead sells is in there. We convinced about that a little bit, but also there was a late appearance from someone who trying to find it here. I think someone who worked on one of the mario kao or one of the other old things showed up. I swear in this thread, I'm just completely family and find it. But anyway, feel that... and I'll just stop trying to describe it while not remember the details, but the fun. Eh, and that video is hilarious, the trop adventure stuff. This is not

a thread that I liked, but it is a thread that is worth bunting and is also sad that dean allen, who was the guy who made texas and textile and text pattern and hope in of other things died last month. And the thing I liked about this thread was there's a whole bunch of old school web people who miss him. And it was nice to be around the old school, what people who missed him, which is hard to find a place to do that be with your old school web people to do. Yeah, yeah, it's funny, the longer metafilter convined me around the more associate

I think for the average user is from those very early days when medical to was one of those weird little hubs of the old school web people. So there's a good chance that basically none of them are participating on the site anymore. But a whole lot of people who have been influential and continue to do the web stuff, blog stuff have some four digit user account that they haven't logged in into it 10 years. But then something interesting or something sad happens and a few of them just to pop back in. Yeah, I like see aftr, nd, I like seeing hole, gay, talking about

things I just in general, enjoyed it. There was a very goofy fund re ivers ma, a posted a thing

that had been so making around on the internet, and then h something comments on metafilter just as this goofy dumb, here's a picture of nine different animals. There's 50 eagles, there's 10 crock males, there's three bears, etcetera, etcetera. So. I didn't see this at a. And the things you have to pick

two and they're gonna defeat, and

the other seven are gonna try and kill you. And so you have to choose correctly, and then justify your explanation of why tax. So I try choosing and then does it run this scenario for you?

We... so this is entirely fine. This is just us arguing at the bar. Yeah. Okay, well, who's gonna

build it? This is february first by now, I'm

sure someone's built the simulator. I mentioned, I engine read that. I wish I had the spare time

to make it done a little pio8d version of it'cause it feels like would be doable. But I mean. Isn't the iser, obviously, rats and bars. I see us had read in hunters

or rasen hunter and the hundreds, the

weird one, because it's the human. And that's my argument as you have to take the hunter, not only because I'm a kid to show 00ow0 racks. Eah, but a hu0sa. Hunter can kill you out of spike. That's my... take

the ca being. Like

these. Red dude,. I don't think you get out of this in any

certain... like

I don't

think there's any pick that actually works, but on the freak chance that the six other kinds of anils coming for, you failed. That was a bitch with a gun that's still gonna just run their day just because he can. Could 5egoes fly you away? They could. Kinda like that, that's actually good point.

You should get in and put in

a late argument for doing an eagle escape rot'cause nothing else. S lie o a day. Well, when you have a chance on a that really good though, that's really good.

Nothing else can fly goes, oh man. Oh man. I. Go fly. You away and then 10000, rats, worm. Everything else on the. Ground, yeah,

the hunter

is the only thing that. Or you can pick the eagles

and which ever thing you think is the worst,

and the eagles fly you to safety. And the thing that you don't like, it's completely murdered. There are a lot of early eagles people in this thread, maybe though some of

that had to just do with the super bowl. Can I just say the tom brady needs to hang it up? And I heard the gurn cassy's retiring. So this is all very exciting for me. So sick of the pages fucking. Pads, not really follow it all, but I know I'm not oing. Let so fuck

the pats. Right. That's your job. Yeah. I a, a... I like this post that cash for led made that he made

before I could make it because I was lazy about sonify space filling curves. So the idea of taking a space bill curve is a two dimensional line that curves back on itself and essentially fills up a toblame given enough time. It's a way of sort of filling a to d space with one dimensional line. It's a fractal thing. Often times they're very cool. I like them, but I won't get into it beyond that. But you can then say, okay, but what if we take the x axis in the li axes and associate those with tones? And then we play the sound of this thing. And the thing about space filling curves, as they often are self similar fractiles. So they sort of change. They have a rhythm. Yeah, they have of rhythm to the way they change their

point in space over time, and that amplifies as as you go farther and farther with it. And so you can use that as the basis for in weird little broke few type setups where you play a curve against itself over time, and there's actually some really nice down and stuff. It's still very much abstract music, but it's more musical than I was expecting. And I thought it really otl listing to. So go check that out for some nice properly, merdy, nerdy music stuff'cause it's good time. I totally will. And the other thing I'm gonna be doing with my day, besides all

the other stuff I'm supposed to be doing, going to work includes looking at the library of congress digitized, popular graphic arts collection. Thank you horris from pale and this post that I should have seen and didn't... they basically have high resolution public domain scans and you can browse them by thumbnails. R. And so john pulled out a couple of cool ones like this picture of the


states in the shape of a big and pultro the world. There's nothing better, but you can just look at thumbnails yourself and just look at a little tiny thing that looks like it might be appealing. And you can click through 147 pages of tiny thumbnails because I don't know what the hell is up with the library of congress. But let's just jump ahead to page 1 47 shale. What is that is? This is good radio. It's genspace. Now, I wanna know what order

everything's in, because I'm convinced that the last five pages

are all another language is not english. I think I saw a little day of the dead picture. I think my internet is given up on me because it's pretty much... oh, there's a picture of anne jackson that monster and a o its. Cool. And the most important thing, it's public domain. Hey, look, here's a chronological chart of

american history in the shape of a tree. I don't even understand what's going on. Yeah, why not? I don't know. Sure. But you can search the collection you should be

able to, but you can... and there's cool blog post that explains how it all happen. And I wish I'd known about this week or two ago because we were doing one live one ref for wikipedia, and this is a really great place to find public domain images of various people that you can then put on their work. I bet the pages. So thanks for s froble. That's amazing. Yeah, nice. I have a few more things, but I think I just... I thought this

was interesting. I ws talkin about art earlier, and this was opposed to bale an art thing, and this is the far fset r made a post about a work of art by so new voice involving the moving of the water house, painting highligt in the nim from the manchester art gallery, and being replaced by a notice explaining the idea that we're moving. It is an attempt to prompt conversation about how and why art works a di blade and invite public comment. People were leaving post it note that were provided to comment on the thing. And I think the actual artwork is interesting. It's essentially a conceptual or performance artwork where this notices and the... the idea of doing this and the impact it has on the gallery go, or is the piece of work. Wow. I thought the idea was really interesting. I thought that thread a lot of the discussion was interesting slightly knowing at times, but thats were arguing about. On the cultural context or something like this, I could see this being the kind of

thing that I would have had to ave rite at, I'd say about in college, but the cultural context. Exactly. Right now with times up and me too, and this terrible president and all the other stuff, places it in a completely different spot, which is cool, but it makes it sort of interesting and weird at the same time. Yeah, that's cool though. Yeah, so I thought that was cool and indirecting read, and it

seems like instead of

going for several months, it went for a few days and then they put the painting back, which is if that's a... or it's really fucking lane, but they... that's part of saying how stuff works in close or too. I like, of course, that's how it worked. Right. Ultimately,. Yeah, anything else for madical to...

or do you wanna antiwar very popular, red, which I

didn't read and you didn't read probably because we are so lazy as a poly on the cut, basically answers a question from a reader who's like, why am I lazy? Why am I putting everything off? Why can't I flip a switch and just be an adult? Which of course connects in a lot of ways too. I think the way lots of med filter people feel about adulting in various ways, and it had a huge discussion. That was actually pretty interesting because the people whos opinion, you care about talking about a thing you've probably thought about, but maybe not talked about because it's less of a thing you talk to with your ir people. Maybe I liked it a fabulous. Thank you for posting it, kevin, and... yeah, just wanted to mention it. Yeah. Alright, that I keep looking at public domain images on the past a t e a...

I just. Well, just quietly do that for the next half hour and then finish out the show.

Tell me about as metafile dust. Ask but the filter as always, just always sort of...

oh, right. Sorry, I was a.

Well, I couldn't parse this title, and I was like, did I lent to this? Is

this metafilter the classic style really? We're just gonna put that on that as a... like a testimony. Adjustment was as metafilter,

as always pause. Oh, wait,. Right, so basically this was px 2000 who asked a question about other than these three

examples are there, other single artist tributes to a single album, so where a person does an album tribute, I just does the whole album. And in it, there's some of them, and it's just kind of neat because some of them are cool. So like camper van be oven, completely covered task. La would back the flaming lips covered. Well, I guess that's one song. Smitherines covered, met the beetles, and they covered... tommy trained covered, led up on two. So there's a whole bunch of the examples, flaming lips cover, dark side of the moon, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So if you're a person that likes kind of weird slash, inspired, slash kind of arty cover ideas, the thread is a great list of generated stuff. Pass. I have a question because I was sure when I was in seattle mud honey covered, I thought it was tom t hall and put out an ep of tom t hall covers that I thought was from a single album, and I googled and google and good nothing like this exists or not. In any obvious way, and so now I'm trying to figure out... was it not mud honey? Was it not tom, tom? How did I screw this up? So if anybody listening happens to know what the hell I'm thinking about that would be useful. But I like the thread is kind of a music list generating thread that came up with some neat stuff to listen to. Nice. There was a question from automa car just in last few days about finding music


which I saw is not the first time we've talked about music discovery. I asked, but it's interesting'cause this time its not like recommend some stuff here. It's like, how the fuck you find stuff. I don't know how to find music at all anymore. Well, remember me, how we bitching about

this five years ago or something, because I think he's an early adopter of some of this stuff. And so he's like... or I've been streaming and now I don't hear new music anymore. What do I do to get out of this. Yeah,. And there were some good examples, I think a lot of times I still find this


because people tell me about it. Jim is kind of like a music generating machine because he's just really into tons of music. And so if I'm like, oh, I tested that suddenly some of it appears in our ftp server and I'm like, oh, oh, thank you. And then I can figure out figure out if I want it. But yeah. Um, yeah, kexp was the thing I always listened to their podcast. Pitchfork always does good stuff. Sometimes there's people with blogs still, they talk about music. Yeah, it was a deep thread. Yeah, a lot of different directoin go. So. Mor music. One

that's gonna appeal to the twitchy

nerds out there is sometimes it's really satisfying

when you

clean out your ears with a cu temper, you scrub out the kitchen sink until it's spies, or you get big chunks of snow off your car tires. What else feels good like that? And of course, I'm surprised that the first five entries aren't all like pulling out in grown hairs and picking zits off your neck or something. But there's all sorts of good examples of little satisfying stuff that you can. Do that give you that little like luo? It's like mini tivos, sort of'cause it's a very

small, a very small little thing that feels accomplished, but there's just this great list of stuff, which pretty much indicates that, yep, that is a thing. Other people feel about also. You have small things. You can tell it is 2 team, because nowhere in this list appears cleaning

your mouse ball. I

think 20 years ago would have been in there for it. I'll just get that to others on a pole. So hairs out of your mouse fall and using the little cue tips to get the weird finger

gunk out of it. To be fair. I have one of those like magic wise now, and it still gets like weird. Lyn, just stuck to its little feet on the bottom. Oh, sure. That now it's just right this all though, I don't know. I don't know, it's weird. Stuff is it a hesive? Yeah. I thought this one was kinda interesting

just as a thing because

it's like so foreign to me,

but... or angler asked, I need podcast to fall asleep too. That's a fun. Just does that... I don't. Openal a lot of people to that, I can't imagine wanting as. I

can't imagine being having a

voice and being able to sleep. I think it would probably work

for me, but I don't have trouble getting tosleep in general. I

hate you. I not literally never, but generally speaking, like I usually... I go to bed and I'm tired and I fall. A sleep, I don't even know what that must be like. Yeah, we've always definitely had very different

sleeping habits as far as I ben able fill. Right. And

you're up early in the morning. Yeah,. Me once I get to sleep, things are usually find,

but it's always a fight. I think


was the b ely. Tired. That was the... I years ago back when the minifilter

schedule was basically you and mean mat, and

we were just operating around the block. I remember thinking if you were on the west coast and I was on the east coast, we basically wouldn't need a course in in the overnight z'cause you would be up till 2 3myeah on that. That's. What. That of a out as... yeah, like I o u to... we could have pushed that. Yeah. I


know. This is gotta be a hugely useful question for a whole bunch of people who aren't for somebody else. And for me, if somebody's talking, I can remember being a kid and I used to fall a sleep watching gulf, because golf is always like a... it's kind of a slightly quiet. Sure, talking and for something, for some reason that was always calming. But now if I hear voices, I'm

awake at the end. Does no better. I feel like boling would work like golf that way if weren't for the part where

something exploded at

the end of every thing. If I were for those pins that they've bought, like bowling a, it's gotta have to the same televised. Bowling. Have you ever watch bulling on tv. Yeah, at canopen. Right. That. A is a shut up. That's really a... that's all we had. I don't

actually have any hospital o

towards that. It's just like, I've never seen it on pv. That's

per. A, the only bowling I've seen on tv. Oh, I just found the accident subject. Heading. Go oct. Yes.

It's got sort of a gulf tone, like it's a real laid back thing where everybody's

sitting around and

quietly commentating on a guy, whos stoping and thinking about what they're about to do, and they do it. And then the commenter is like, well, they did that thing and well, it went to recently, well, I did, it could gottbetter or... well, you know what he's really gotta be thinking about next time is except for the all is always this thing. Right? Or to feels like a bowlingball collides at high speed with a bunch of things at bounds off each other. So other than that, it seems like it would be good falls sake too. That was my whole thing. I'm not sure I was really with me, taken out the time to elaborate on that, but there we

go. It's always good to know how your brain works. I think a a, a, a, a a a. What

does you go ers? Well, one by lin, never where I learned a thing, which was basically like,

okay, I've got friends, but they don't all... they're not all in person and we like things that we can kind of hang out and do via the internet. And so there's some obvious stuff like, oh, know, play games, or slack chat or whatever. But she's like, I want more or different. And so people talk about like, well, you can kinda cook together if you keep your video chat or on or you do video meetings. I'm like an internet scrabble, person, as I'm sure everybody knows which reminds me, I have a funny scrabble picture to show you. But any rate, what are other ways to do it? And one of the things that I learned, thank you eros, lord freedom, is that there's a whole bunch of chrome plugin so that you and your remote pawls can watch netflix or youtube videos together, meaning it'll start the thing at the same time. So you're not just three, two one go, which is kinda how jim and I do things if we wanna watch tv together and we're not together, which is a pain. And so there's this great link that goes to lots of little apps and funky things were just if you and your buddy wanna watch a netflix movie together, you totally can. That's nice. It's consent. It. Yeah, and I had not known that stuff existed, which surprised me a little

bit, and I was happy.

I was happy that it was there. Yeah. Here's my... here's my scribble tweet that I thought would make you laugh for the listener, but has been managed to play, be played parallel to horn dog. I be open with horn dog, a seven letter word, which scored 82 points, and then jim wrote, but against it and the letters that are left in iraq are h a v p o n, it's hu00d monkeys on typewriters, right? It was just a fortis day. I'm scrabbling. We happened to screen shot it, and it made me last. That is beautiful. How does it feel josh? Like whenever anybody sees the word, but to think that they're

probably thinking of

you, I'll take it. I'll take it. I feel like I've landed some pretty good thinking of me. I've got... but especially if there's any suggestion of lowing. Yeah, I've got to was a strong one. That's jui, guess. Menger sponge doesn't come up a whole lot, but just visually anything that. That if it

at all like,

oh yeah, no,. Right. If something happend on involving a mars pune, I

definitely hear about it from seven different people. It's


Yeah, I ever 1820 to 1830. Why is that. Alright, so I like that thread. I like this thread

only'cause I was really hoping that there was an

answer, but there's super was not an answer, which was like, I want somebody that all like customer service through some bullshit that I don't wanna deal with. Yeah. And they're kinda isn't like task rabbit kind of will do that. But see the... it wasn't there, like a

project post in the last couple months from someone who was basically just doing that. Maybe it's on one. They mentioned maybe it just not quite what they're looking for. I don't, I'm not sure. Well, and part of the issue is this is somebody who needs something done that is not just irritating. Send me a mailing label that might also include like your names, your passwords, maybe your banking stuff or whatever health care, and it's a pain. Because part of the issue is you need to be validated as the person, which means it'll take you as much time to tell the person who's doing the thing for you, your personal information. You know what I mean? The only thing that could really solve as you literally not having to speak to a person, but you still have to be in a chat window with the person making the phone. Got. 'cause I had to do a bunch of this shit for my mom's a state after she passed last year.

And it was just easier to be like, hi, I don't wanna be on your mailing list anymore than it was to be like, my mom is dead. So can you take her off the mailing list? And it was bizarre, but just how the shit works. And so I was really hoping maybe there was a service here, and it's funny because I can do this stuff for other people really easily wrestle with people. But for my own purposes, I have a hard time not kind of just getting really irritated where as if it's somebody else, even though the process is the same for some reason, I'm not kind of invested in it. Yeah, I've done real light on ask. Right. Well, jim asked about he got his genome sequence and is trying

to figure out where he can throw it at the internet and find things. Right, I saw this go by. And of course, what winds up happening is everyone s like can do wat

a great, um, so... and he's

like, I know that, but where... and I go to learn the things that I'm supposed to take with the grain of salt. And so that was interesting. I feel like you ask a question about some helse, but I don't remember. I may not remember what that actually was. Yes, yes. Good radio. I feel like if you look at the curve of our pattern, I feel like it pulled a

dow industrially

dec. That was at. A to the no maria. I lost 30dlrs me. It's no three billion, but it feels. Yeah, I'm not gonna

think about my 4oink. I'll

just slip things for cover. That's actually super intelligent. Yeah, no.

Yeah. Here's another third that I liked, which was from a long time ago,

but I liked it'cause

it reminded me of some stuff and predom of some stuff, kind of along the lines of lyn nevers thread, which was mh5i. Alright, we're in a car ride. We're playing word games with kids. We know ice by how about some other ones. Yeah, and it was just people talking about fun car ride games to play. Yeah. And you go. I definitely had

some of those car ride experiences as a kid. So. I felt like I spent...

I probably didn't

write, but I really feel like I spent a shit ton of time

in the car. Just looking out the window. I. Would play a little video games on the window? This is sad is like... well, I would literally... I would turn

the view out the window into a auto scrolling platformer game and my to angers eet would be a little guy and ed, I jump over stuff. It was not a very good game. It was very onsides, fine. There was no feedback when you messed up, but at the same time, eventually you run out of batteries for your game boy, or you get carsick and you gotta make do. And that was kind of where I wasn't a kid that. Is a door bolt. A you do, would you have to pass the time. Yeah, we played, I auto bingo. And

we had boxes of

books. I don't know what kind of parents you had

that didn't give you... oh, there were books that I would read a lot in the car actually, but everyone's a... would be caricato got a... or. We would do I... the license plate game line white came her. Assume ometimes, we d incorporate billboards to pendon where

we were driving, but yeah, we did some ad libs in the

car too. That was the thing. Yeah. I know though were delightful. Okay. Eventually I sort of realized like no one was likely math lives may have paved the way for my fun is for mark of chain. Generators actually come to think of it, just that. So I semi structured nonsense, language generation. See, I feel like after a while, everyone just answers every question with butts, but I think that's like... yeah, as

a format it to case over time, I thought they were the most amazing thing in the world for a while as a kid. And then eventually the shine came off and yeah, sort of decided into butts at the ti of my memoirs. It just descended into bus me. That could be the title of this podcast dissent into bucks. Do. No, now. All thoughts of a note to consider it. I descended butts question mark. I find a abe will do

someting else.

Yeah. I think it desended into bunch. Ideality, well, I could do a

quick miniflame here. That'd. Be assem. Here are... people

are posting o ther is actually

a lot of good stuff. I just loved to some

instrumental stuff.

Sorted, jumped out at me when I was gone over stuff again yesterday and this morning, there was a nice thing from grab theme called crack, which is this really sort of ambient, slow build thing, just like it's more organized than noise, but by degrees. And I was thinking, listen ing to it. There is just sort instrumental demo from a macaca parles motion, which is just some crunchy guitars and do she may not actually do anything with it, but she did that and that's nice. There is another big pilo guitars, and this one's long and pretty fucking rad from alex 51, ouit2w exit 51. It's like eight, nine minutes. And it's just good if you want some some heavy guitar stuff building up. It's really nice, I guess less. It's the annual e a s s close enough. That is a sort of a bill up just some samples in the nice electronic, essentially instrumental as well. The theme here is no vocals, I guess, no vocals this month and finishing it off. This is actually dipping into december'cause I think it's a back in last podcast, either oob post a thing called keeping up with my friends five year old on drums, which is just exactly that like a weird free jazz freak out with a five year old drumming. And so it's delightful, but there was a bunch of other good stuff too. So go, listen to stuff go is all other things and... yeah, but that's been your metafilter music minute. Well, fantastic. I think that's by cast. I think it is... I'll mention a couple of men talk things real quick that

I thought were fun, but it's just

a couple of things. There was a thread from earlier this last week. I don't know what weeks are about iain banks, culture, novel references, and user names. I found this entire thing inscrutable and I don't understand what it is still. I found it highly instructive because I explained

some of these word user names, so... well, there's a guy named ian m

banks, and he wrote a bunch of books. I have those books, I... so they have not started reading any of them. Secretaries read one or two, I would like to at some point, but we were talking about books right at top, and

we'll see when that happens. Anyway, there's culture ships and culture minds in the book series that because I have a redone, I can't really tell you much more about other than this is some or late stage, futuristic utopia stuff. And all of these ships, and these minds have names that are variously cultural references of some sort. And it turns out a hold on to medical to user names that seem just like odd strings of words are actually odd. Strings of words taken from an banks, culture books. I found it highly instructive in that. So I talamore. Clear then the post was. I think the postal sort of going in, assuming you knew what you were talking about, whereas

I was already sure that

I was kind of standing outside looking in. I saw the word banks and the tags, but other than that,. Yeah, if you don't know that's what they mean by

culture. Then it doesn't make a sense. How you. Yeah, I don't

know, but it was sort of asking people to e o n works out. Okay. Alright. There

was a

ton, a fun thread in the middle of january about someone trying to find that you do lot previous discussions. I d to a... to a... and then... yeah,. I believe I set that page up. Rich olive. You did. I believe

you did. What. Thread it makes me happy. I

had just thought of something that I

wanted to ask metafilter about. Oh, I remember


it was, whether you have

songs you sing. When you run water or flush the toilet, does water make u sing on noise that you sing a long way than you have a song that you sing along. With'cause I do. Yeah, it's gonna say, this sounds like the answer is you us for you'cause I. Tether to me, maybe

other people do. Sometimes

you'll be somewhere and you'll be like, oh, this totally reminds me of looking in the

window of that store when I was a kid. It's just a weird thing where there seems to be like a wormhole between memories and I just have certain songs that are always the song I play when I'm running the water to brush my teeth. But it's music. It's not like, oh, that makes me remember a thing. It's always music. So yeah, interesting. Yeah, like, you know, you're always afraid you're gonna ask that question and everybody's gonna be like, and nope, get your

head examines. Be

like, do do what the t shirt from the'90's youth group kids say and. No, no, that's... I think I screwed the. E...

anyway... no, no, sure. That was the mores cater thing or something, right? There was no

e the person at group variation that was

like no fear excepter as k n ow fear'cause you were supposed to be god figuring or something. I don't know. Oh, we didn't have youth group t shirts. I get you. And. Any way you should ask that question, you should ask that question and I'll...

I'll ask my question that it feels sort of too small and

amorphously dumb. Maybe I could research first, but it might be interested, just ask. And so maybe I'll do it, but I'll just say if here in the podcast doing'cause I forget, which is like, can you adopt someone who's young or older than you? Which which way? It's a way gay people used to get around the fact that they couldn't get married. Well, yeah, it feels like there's probably the answers this feel like they are probably very complicated and contextualized, but the question self came up like a

barbet sort of question. And it might be interesting, but just so I can is that territory'cause my... my feeling was like, you must be able to just because of... we observed to construct a lot in such way. You. Could'cause it's a law. Right. Eh, but then the cateran iss, it would be observed to be able to do that. So clearly the law wouldn't halides. Yeah.

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was twice your aa. Exactly is it just gets into paradox teritory. We also have mentioned, learn lbeing of this might be right down

to the wire, but learned leagas starting up and

maybe can people still do... I do think so. I can check merqui0k. Okay, it says refer, we're open through february six. So that's today. So if I posted this in two hours or probably. A vision to it, then maybe. Anyway,

we can just say, yeah, you learn legs happening, levein, that. If people wanna get in for next time, I'm sure people

can. Yeah, sort of start seeing

that well has some stuff. Hey, hey, we talked about some things

and stuff. Yeah, it's always good to talk to you and I...

hey, the new year. And yeah, you ask my question, you ask your question. It's a deal. Okay, all.

Right. I'll talk to you later. I'll talk to you later. Right. We recording at... so I an awesome. question you ask your question

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