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Podcast 132 Transcript
A transcript for Episode 132: During Pre-Roll We Talked About The Dacia (2017-09-01).
Pronoiac passed the podcast to otter.ai.
Cortex 0:00 podcast for pom pom Jafar gentlemen where God was a master the best of the web. Hey, it's episode 132 of Best of the web the Metafilter monthly podcast. I am Josh Maillard, aka cortex.
Jessamyn 0:31 And I'm Jessamyn.
Cortex 0:33 And we are recording this. Why on Friday, September 1. covered and everything from I think August 4 or so was the last one. Something like that. Covering August. Let's talk about August.
Jessamyn 0:46 You know, I think we should get some special ordered when we actually get the monthly podcast done on the first of
Cortex 0:52 the month. Yeah, I know. Like, I want to trophy I want. I want I want to be regarded Evos Yeah, yes.
Jessamyn 0:58 I mean, I'm looking through all the last podcasts. I don't think we've done this since November 2016.
Cortex 1:05 Wow. I thought we got one early in the year but then again this year.
Jessamyn 1:08 It's been a while since
Cortex 1:12 it's been a Comedy Bang Bang fan bucket.
Jessamyn 1:18 is coming to bang bang Scott Aukerman. Yeah, yeah, I just saw him do a walk on on Wet Hot American Summer, whatever. Whatever. The new Wet Hot American. Yeah, he did a walk on. And Jim was sitting next to me like, and I was like, Who is that? How do you know that guy? Is that guy? I don't know that guy.
Cortex 1:40 I remember the walk on was at this point. Like I'm always delighted when I see him because I go hey, it's got
Jessamyn 1:47 for being in the land of the perpetual fucking lawnmower here.
Cortex 1:51 Well, that's fine. It's it's trash day. Today's there may be very loud trucks going by at some point. Hey, it's
Jessamyn 1:57 trash day here too. But they get the trash really early. So. But the guy is actually literally parked outside the window because I think he ran over something in the lawn, which out of the can. Oh, Mike, you can hear this right? Oh, yeah, it's coming through. Yeah. Because there's, I can see him. He's probably looking at me like, What the fuck is that Dyngus kid up to? Well, and there's like air conditioners in Windows. And I don't live anywhere with air conditioning. And I never have. But it's really cold out. I mean, really cold. It's 55 or something. So I don't I don't really know how to take air conditioners in. Yeah. But I do have a thing to tell you. Actually two things to tell you. One. I just solved a tremendous problem, just this incident. And I have to tell you about it. Because when I stood up, I have this like long headset cable thing, this nice headset that I use. And I brought it with me down to Massachusetts for the summer, I was very proud of myself. I'm wearing it now. And I'm very happy. And I just picked like I stood up to go shake my fist at the lawn mowing guy. I mean, pretend because actually, he's amazing. And I found out that there was extra cabling in my cable. And I was like what's going on. And I found my Kindle cable that I had lost, which has meant that I haven't been able to read books on my Kindle, because the only way to get books. I am even pitching about this last month. The only way to get books onto my Kindle is with this one cable or I have to go buy another one, which I refuse to do because I'm obstinate. And so I was like I'll just find it. And I just did because it was it was camouflaged against my other black cable. And here it is excellent. Ancient Kape Kindles and I jailbroke it or whatever they call it. So I can't use any of the like the Kindle email techniques. But the thing has Wi Fi so I like uploaded it to a website and figured I could download it by using the web browser but you can't. And so it's just been bothering me. I had to read books on my iPad and it's a nightmare. So I just found my cable the
Cortex 4:08 I'm glad I was gonna I was gonna say like I feel like if you're jailbreaking a Kindle, it should be like library heist or something. Anyways, library heist movie has anybody like done or yellow a book would be okay, I guess. Well, the
Jessamyn 4:22 librarian, only the librarian. Okay. Well, I
Cortex 4:26 don't know,
Jessamyn 4:27 which became a TV show The librarians. Wow. No, no Wiley. And you know, there's a library in Buffy.
Cortex 4:36 Yeah, but but a heist. Like, I'm thinking like,
Jessamyn 4:39 somebody steals a thing from the library. Yeah,
Cortex 4:41 yeah, like a real bar.
Jessamyn 4:43 You know, everybody knows you can't steal things. I don't even understand what that what
Cortex 4:50 they've actually been rereading the Name of the Rose for the first time a long time. And I guess that that's not really a heist though. It's just sort of trying to get in.
Jessamyn 4:56 I was just listening to people talk about that. I don't know. Remember if it was in metal filter or somewhere else where they they basically this was like on some librarian group I think where the librarians were like no that Christian Slater fucko he screwed it all up like he didn't solve the mystery he introduced a whole bunch of discord into a system that was mostly working you know, the rule is don't fuck around with the library and other people were like, but people were dying and he was like, all the people that fucked around but then it all got burned down so shitty
Cortex 5:33 I need to watch the movie again after I finished reading this because like my memory is very vague what?
Jessamyn 5:39 Christian Slater's but you Oh,
Cortex 5:41 yeah, that's right. That's right. No, Skype cut out a little bit. It did not it did no, I'm I would have jumped right to a Mr. Robot joke if I'd heard you.
Jessamyn 5:51 I still haven't seen Mr. Robot and I need to rectify that.
Cortex 5:54 Christmas later, isn't it? Not his but as far as I can recall, but I'm not up to date.
Jessamyn 6:00 Because there was actually a Mr. Robot joke in this Scott archroma Walk on. I am not lying. Like in this show. There was a Mr. Robot joke that I got. Jim didn't get the Mr. Robot joke. But he did visually recognize Scott Aukerman, which
Cortex 6:13 I think I think the Scott cameo must have just melted. We really binge that we watched it over the course of like, you know, two, three days after watching the movie again for the first time in a while and rewatching the the first season so
Jessamyn 6:29 you miss it, or you saw it?
Cortex 6:30 I'm sure I saw it. And I've just forgotten. Like, I don't remember the details. But I mean,
Jessamyn 6:35 it wasn't wet, hot American. So I'm so sorry. It was Brooklyn nine, nine. Okay, because that was like it's in the hacking part. And then I'm like, There's no hacking part. And then
Cortex 6:50 that sounds more familiar. That's, that's more awkward.
Jessamyn 6:52 Because we worked together on a website a couple of years ago.
Cortex 6:55 Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
Jessamyn 6:58 maybe we should talk about that. I guess, I guess we could. Although I do have something to say about the number 132. Do please? Well, because some of the bigger numbers are lame right there. They're not cool.
Cortex 7:10 As we've discussed, they're very hit and miss. But
Jessamyn 7:13 132 has this aspect, which if you take the sum of all the two digit numbers you can make from 132. And I'm legit reading this from Wikipedia, because there's no other way to explain it. So like 12 plus 13, plus 21, plus 23, plus 31, plus 32. That's all the two digit numbers. With unique numbers. You add them together, and that equals 132.
Cortex 7:36 Got them.
Jessamyn 7:37 I know.
Cortex 7:40 That's that's, that's some good flair to walk up with numerals.
Jessamyn 7:43 And if you're counting binary with your hands 132 is two middle fingers. You know how like binary one middle finger one's placed 132 is both middle fingers.
Cortex 7:55 That's how it is. That's great. That's great. I mean, not that I didn't believe you, but like I was happy to be able to reproduce it quickly there.
Jessamyn 8:02 It's not about believing me Josh. It's about believing Wikipedia. Yeah, well,
Cortex 8:05 I extend you more trust than
Jessamyn 8:10 warranted warranted I deserve that.
Cortex 8:14 Yeah, let's talk about meta filter medical. So
Jessamyn 8:15 you were gone for a week
Cortex 8:17 I was gone for a week I went to the main let's talk about my vacation
Jessamyn 8:22 for a week but not with Metafilter people with family people because you're away with Metafilter people
Cortex 8:26 Yeah, no, this was this was this was family and friends on the East Coast several of whom are technically MediCal members but that doesn't we didn't really talk about medical too much and and we mostly just hung out in the in the forest and camped in a in a big lake
Jessamyn 8:44 Sebago Lake. So you say it it sounds like all the single ladies. Today Lake Lake Lake.
Cortex 8:52 If you liked it, then you should have put a hot dog on it and slowly roasted it.
Jessamyn 8:57 And then did your guitar ever
Cortex 9:00 attack? It showed up and then we sat on the tarmac for two more hours after that. So it was all a big stressful wait to then. Just wait again. Anyway. It was a good time. That was the only travel hiccup. Everything else was great, though. And we got home that night. Like we were supposed to. So that was all good. Congratulations. Thanks. Yeah, no, it's
Jessamyn 9:20 like was relaxing. It was
Cortex 9:21 it was relaxing. And I just didn't do any internet stuff. If I could help it. I did a couple little like business things because apparently I own a business now but to the extent that I can ignore stuff I just did so like the last week of medical there just doesn't exist, basically.
Jessamyn 9:39 Right? Well, good, because I've been around so yeah, I'm actually kind of getting my groove back. So that means spending a little bit more time on the internet and etc. So that's been nice. Well, between
Cortex 9:49 us we should have this this nicely handled. Yes. Well, there was one job listing in August that remains unfilled and someone should totally do it because it is Is the station manager at CFRC in Kingston, Ontario, and I just like the idea of someone working at a radio station, I'm assuming it's a radio station. Looking at the pads. It's definitely a radio station.
Jessamyn 10:11 Can we set by kitty or ship? Oh, yeah. Nice.
Cortex 10:17 So somebody go do that somebody go be a Canadian radio station manager, because I want that to happen.
Jessamyn 10:24 I think that would be an awesome
Cortex 10:26 job. Right? It seems like it would be. I would think so. Maybe it doesn't pay enough. Yeah, it's not big bucks. But you know, you could be the WK IRP in Cincinnati of Kingston, Ontario.
Jessamyn 10:40 If you ever wondered, wondered, whatever became a
Cortex 10:45 shout out to bonk lift, by the way, who apparently was not perfectly hoping for that recording to show up and not on display? Yes, but I think
Jessamyn 10:54 I can't believe you mentioned me, whereas Yep, Jim's usually like good to me. Did you mention me?
Cortex 11:00 Good, good job on that, gents. I listen to that all the way through before I figured out what the hell is going on. Because I just I literally never watched epic Arp. So I don't know the themes. I just know. I was three years old. I mean, yeah. You know, I'm sure it was airing when I was alive. But it was like I was not in like primo sitcom territory when, when it was. So yeah, I don't know. Anyway, go to go to Kingston get a job. You want to talk about projects? Sure.
Jessamyn 11:37 Um, one of my favorite things, which got lots of votes, but only one comment was just a long form thing that psychiatrics and I'm just going to cut this right off by saying I'm not gonna go through and read the pronunciation thread, though. I did pay attention to it at the time. But, but I've decided that Ed trigons name is just pronounced eater again. And that's all I'm doing. But I'm pretty sure I have psychiatrics his name? Correct. But maybe not.
Cortex 12:09 We should we should remember to mention that. Later, that meta talk Roundup, because that is that was like one of my biggest I'm on vacation. I'm not going to. I'll just get to it later. But I really want to go through that thread because that's obviously near and dear to both of our hearts at this point.
Jessamyn 12:25 One of my favorite things about it, of course, was just now I can't even find it. Oh, here this was was how many people enjoy the ways that we mangled their usernames. So I appreciated that but satrix Back to be slightly serious. Yes, basically, you know, James d'amour do more, do more, whatever that the Dick from Google, like women aren't good at things. She basically did a like a beatdown that was like, um, here's basically everything about gender and the workplace. In a medium article, she worked her ass off to try and get non paywalled links to stuff and just made this like badass 103 citations article that kind of summarizes what the stuff is. And did a great job and it was wonderful and it got posted to Metafilter by Joseph girl. Pretty sure I'm saying that correctly. And became not super bad Surrett about gender and sexism in the workplace. So 123 Yes, yes. And yes. Happy?
Cortex 13:49 Yeah, no, that worked. Yeah, she she put in a ton of work on that. That was super impressive. And I was I was honestly believe that the thread turned out to be mostly about oh, hey, this is good. And let's talk about this because I worry that was going to somehow turn into hey, let's do that thread again. Because let's talk about that. fucko Samar Yeah, the original was like 1200 comments or something and just like a huge pain and everybody's asked which is part of where this came from. So I guess it's like a silver lining sort of thing.
Jessamyn 14:14 It's one of those great things like oh, god I can't remember off the top of my head but the person I always think of it as learning a cupcake but I don't know if she made it or just popularized it. The sort of you know, trans one on one maybe you should read this before you start bumbling in here with your ILL formed opinions.
Cortex 14:35 Yeah, yeah. Okay, Juliet banana her yeah, my name original username anyway. Yeah. Sort of in that same sort of spirit of like, hey, you know, this is a big right
Jessamyn 14:51 before you show up with your like, did you ever think about Yes, we fucking totally, completely did other people have have in fact thought about that. And oh, my God. Yeah.
Cortex 15:05 Yeah. Yeah.
Jessamyn 15:09 So the other thing that I liked, which was in projects, which the thing that I thought you might have liked, and I kind of like it in that Josh way, which is I don't totally understand it. But I enjoy like, Oblique Strategies.
Cortex 15:27 Do you know? Yeah, you know, and what's his face?
Jessamyn 15:32 Yeah, like cards. And if you're in a creative lawnmower guy, just power through it. I just want to live in a meadow. Josh, I just want to live in a meadow. But yeah, Oblique Strategies helps you kind of get out
Cortex 15:59 lot more action.
Jessamyn 16:00 It has. I mean, this office in this house is near what is basically a 15 square foot area of lawn, but it's fiddly. So if you're driving with those little drivers, you have to go like just getting in and out of it, which apparently is what this gentleman who does not charge enough for lawn mine does. So at any rate, there's Oblique Strategies, which can help you kind of think creatively about stuff, and then over educated alligator whose username I have always loved. And also, she's a cool person in real life. And she's actually disabled her account, but hopefully, it's just temporary. And I don't think it's because of this, I just made a little bot that randomly tweets entries from Thompson's motif index of folk literature. And so sometimes it's weird. And sometimes it's interesting, but it does give you like, funny little things from folk literature that can kind of help you maybe do a lateral thinking about a thing.
Cortex 17:06 Yeah, yeah. And it's a bot.
Jessamyn 17:07 And it's not by a big knock as much as he's terrific. And it's not by Friday, Tuesday, and it's not by like the standard bot makers. And so I just, you know, wanted to,
Cortex 17:22 ya know, I really liked this.
Cortex 17:25 Bot. It's good. I liked speaking of ratatouille.
Jessamyn 17:33 Wow. I mean, that's why I was thinking of ready to use because I was looking at ratatouille.
Cortex 17:37 Right? You've had a project this month fat fingered.js? Which,
Jessamyn 17:42 no, I was just it this is really work, or is this just like poetry? I think it
Jessamyn 18:27 there's a lot of GitHub.
Cortex 18:29 Yeah, it's on GitHub. So you can basically use this and see what happens basically, including your project and then see what happens. There's a fat finger has a poor concept of scope. So if you're doing fancy Oh stuff, ask yourself, is there a good reason I haven't made everything global, which is a joke that only a programmer could love. I sure
Jessamyn 18:52 don't get it. Yeah.
Cortex 18:56 Anyway, it's, it's beautiful. It's a wonderful idea. Because there is so much technology we have for doing sort of, like auto cricket, like, like people are obviously familiar at this point popularly with autocorrect as something that your phone does when you're texting or whatnot. But that's using algorithms that have existed for years and years for the purposes of detecting typos detecting, like OCR errors. Rice,
Jessamyn 19:21 lint, lint is one of those thing that does the thing like that, Amelie, yeah, when you lint your stuff I may be
Cortex 19:30 trying to remember it might be let me just
Jessamyn 19:33 Wikipedia link because that's going to be good for a few
Cortex 19:35 loans. Yeah, yeah. Do it. I was thinking of, I'm thinking of like, sort
Jessamyn 19:39 of. It's a Unix utility that flags suspicious non portable constructs in C code. Okay. So that's not quite the same.
Cortex 19:47 Yeah, but that's sort of territory. Like you're going to looking for a problem I think, and this is taking for the opposite direction. So saying, Hey, I think something's wrong here and saying, Hey, I think I know what you meant. Okay. Sure. Which is to be to be clear, and Ronnie twos I'm sure he has no doubt about this either is like, you know, this is not necessarily a good idea in terms of like, you know, you don't want to encourage people to code sloppily, but at the same time,
Jessamyn 20:10 but at the same time, we've all forgotten how to spell because Google can spell.
Cortex 20:13 Yeah. And what if you stop and say, Well, maybe, maybe it's okay, if you're like, 99% there, and your stuff still works, you know? So it feels like it's sort of like, it reads to me as like a mix of like, joke and serious like, there, there is a philosophical argument being made by even creating this. That it feels like, it feels absurd on the face of it, but maybe it's not exactly absurd. You know, and so yeah, I think it's, I think it's great. I think it's super great. And I like the idea of like, sort of trying to find a way to make it increasingly able to do a half assed job of dealing with a wide variety of errors and whatnot. So I hope it continues to see development.
Jessamyn 20:53 Right? Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Cortex 20:57 i This is a question I if I had thought to ask it, I would have tossed to the thread and asked like whether it's possible to have the actual code for fat finger contain the errors fat finger can accommodate or have to have pristine code in order to properly bootstrap when it's included in a project.
Jessamyn 21:16 Whether it can fat finger itself. Yeah, exactly.
Cortex 21:19 Like Like, like, it seems like maybe not like it would have to successfully be interpreted. Yeah,
Jessamyn 21:25 no, of course not. It's like the Barber has a terrible haircut.
Cortex 21:28 Yeah. The cobblers children have no shoes, etc.
Jessamyn 21:35 That's different. Yeah. Well,
Cortex 21:37 it's a profession in a proper that's all I've got. Okay, so there's a barber, and there's a cobbler and one of them always tells the truth.
Jessamyn 21:50 I just you want to talk about a thing. I don't waste any time doing any more those bullshit word problems. I just googled them immediately.
Cortex 22:02 I also liked Max Barber. Made some crazy whiskey. Oh, I missed that. Yeah, he made some snakehead whiskey.
Jessamyn 22:10 Oh, I assume that was like a metaphor. No, no,
Cortex 22:13 no, he actually went ahead made it. Apparently, it tastes about like what you would think which is bad, but in sort of a rustic way.
Jessamyn 22:25 It's this a new thing? Or does he have multiple plugs?
Cortex 22:29 I think I think he
Jessamyn 22:30 or is he just posting on a blog that it's not his Do you know, off the top of
Cortex 22:35 it? He's been to a bunch of Western stuff. So I think this might be a no Yeah, no, this is yeah. He's been tweeting a lot about sort of Western cinematic history lately.
Jessamyn 22:46 I was wondering about his new picture, which is him and a cowboy hat because I was just getting used to him. The Jewish Irish guy,
Cortex 22:57 yeah. Now now. Now, he's been doing a lot of yelling at racist people about Jewish cannabis.
Jessamyn 23:02 So he was always yelling at racist people. Oh, yelling specifically about Jewish cowboys.
Cortex 23:07 Now, he's got these drive by shift from people about like wearing a cowboy hat and saying, Hey, buddy, you know, fuck you. Number one. Number two, mic drop history lesson. So
Jessamyn 23:19 my mother used to write stuff about black cowboys, right? That was like part of her thing was like the world needs the world needs to know about the history of black cowboys. And she would write about it a lot for like children's books, and it was one of her many things. Yeah, I should get together with Max and we should
Cortex 23:35 you wish to get your heads together? Yes. Put your heads together, get your heads together. Sounds like some sort of admonition. Get your heads up, put
Jessamyn 23:43 your heads together. It's like when you're working on a project together. And I you know, I know. I don't I don't need another project. Lord knows. Yep.
Cortex 23:54 Oh, one other nice little thing. Device. 55 made a thing where you can just type something and you get a PNG that's like a painting of that because they did a painting every letter of the alphabet, just like talking about doodling on their iPad and with just simple thing, it's nice. I just
Jessamyn 24:17 looked at my name. Ah, I just typed in I love you. And it says I love yo
Cortex 24:29 the rapping you know, what do you do?
Jessamyn 24:32 What do you do? You change your
Cortex 24:34 browser with I guess that's exactly
Jessamyn 24:36 what I'm doing. I love you. Oh, that's nice. That's cool. That's really cool. So they painted one of every letter.
Cortex 24:44 Yeah. Sounds like basically just sort of doing big letter paintings on their iPad and then
Jessamyn 24:51 that's how I knew you were on vacation. Josh because Instagram ceased showing me your
Cortex 24:55 paintings. I haven't been doing as much painting actually even before vacation like it's Oh, new hobby.
Jessamyn 25:00 Yeah, it's mad started smoking weed with you, Josh. No, because I hear that can really ruin your productivity.
Cortex 25:08 Yeah, no, no, I think it's been the the the owning and running and acquiring a business part has mostly eaten into it. And mostly
Jessamyn 25:19 you did well yeah.
Cortex 25:20 But it's like it's been it's been more complicated and busy in the transitional stage. So sure. Still still sorting out all sorts of little trailing details. Everything always takes longer than it should etc.
Jessamyn 25:31 Sure. If I can if I can help. Yeah, I'll let you know.
Unknown Speaker 25:36 Like I said, I loved him. Please, that's where my money's where I came up on Union Station. Hey, hey. He's now poetry.
Cortex 25:58 Let's get into metal filter. Yes. I was delighted that this turned out not to be a pain in the ass read, but instead just a glorious one full of stories about mostly swords and a little bit of dating.
Jessamyn 26:12 Oh, is it the short guy through? Oh, oh, I mostly this was one of those things where I found out that it was a thing on the internet. Josh, this was like after you got back from vacation. I know what I found out that it was a thing on the internet and then went back. I mean, all in a very brief span of time to see what Metafilter had about it. So why don't you back up and yes, plain what what
Cortex 26:36 so So here's, here's the full disclosure thing. I was aware of this, but it didn't go up during my shift and so I just sort of caught up on thread after the fact that keep an eye on it because it was a note nifty had put up a note saying hey, keep an eye on but let's go okay. And so I have an article, I've just, I've just thoroughly enjoyed like this
Jessamyn 26:57 after read the article. So give the intro explain to our viewers at home what what
Cortex 27:02 the article is about sort guys, and you know, to the extent that I can reconstruct dice Yeah, so the sword guy, the guy who has swords, you know, it's like the like, it's like a category except for instead of like a cat it's a sword you know, or more the point instead of several cats, it's several swords and you know, it's like, you know, this is you've decided that you're a person who's going to own swords in you know, the 21st century living in you know, residential America and so like the sword guy, and the article I gather is sort of about some of the sort of characteristics that speak to the sword guy and
Jessamyn 27:45 being like I have met these guys I have dated these guys let me tell you about these guys.
Cortex 27:53 Yeah, so there's there's there's some rich you know, socio cultural soil there but then there's also every story anybody on medical care has about a sword ended up being mostly about those after a little bit of initial discussion of the dating stuff, which continues to thread throughout but it's mostly stories about swords and knives and what qualifies words and some I look I'm not a sword guy, but here's my story about my sort of comments. We
Jessamyn 28:21 were talking about that in my local Metafilter Slack channel. It like, like do sizes count is this classes because I have a site or you know, but no swords? Sure. And it's not about me anyhow, because it's about dudes but we were wondering.
Cortex 28:37 Yeah, I there's a little bit of that trying to figure out is a machete a sword. At some point, someone suggested Crocodile Dundee carried a machete which I found very offensive. And so I had to point out that no, that's machete who carries machete? What? Crocodile Dundee carries a bowie knife not a machete, to totally buoy knife buoy knife. David Bowie knife.
Jessamyn 28:59 Really? It's just a big knife,
Cortex 29:01 Rod. No, yeah, no, it's just a big knife.
Jessamyn 29:03 This machete you said who carries a machete I don't understand. There's a
Cortex 29:07 there's a movie called machete about a guy named machete who kills people with machete starring Danny Trejo. Well, it was one of those you love Danny Trejo, it spun out of the fake Grindhouse trailers in the interstitial intermission between the two major features in Grindhouse that Tarantino thing from a bunch of years ago. Yeah, so yeah, they made a bunch of trailers for fake other pulpy movies. And then a few of those ended up turning an actual movies and one of them was machete, which was just Danny Trejo is a like, betrayed mercenary who then got his revenge on the white dudes who screwed him over with a machete presumably. Anyway, that was a long time anyway, the sword the sword thread was fun.
Jessamyn 29:54 That was fun. Here's another thread that was fun, which doesn't sound like it's going to be fun. because the title is my childhood fears realized and then I'm like, Oh, what the shit. This is going to be bad by sea cape. Oh, Cape shit there's pronunciation in his profile but IPA and I can't speak it, Cappy ship. The line balance ration balance, Sebastian are in North Dakota, they made a late night stop at a Walmart. And the drummer walked out to use the bathroom in his kind of rode pajamas. And the band left, because they didn't even know he was awake, right there on the bus. So they left and he's at a Walmart without a phone and had to just sit around until the band figured out what happened. God on social media got somebody to find him and sent him on his way. And the story itself. There's not really a lot of there there. But the thread itself is glorious, because it's all reminiscing about before you had a phone and how you found your friends.
Cortex 31:09 We should note that this is when the band stopped being Belle and Sebastian and Richard and
Jessamyn 31:15 I don't even understand that joke, because
Cortex 31:20 I'm sorry, please continue. But
Jessamyn 31:25 but it talks about, you know how you found people without cell phones and how you found your friends and what it meant. And people told some of their own stories about how things happened or, you know, landlines in the house and cat's eye tells a funny story about trying to convince an operator to reverse charge a phone call and saying it's from Jon Bon Jovi. It's just it's so it's just stupid and funny. And that thread is just a delight. And they found their drummer again so everything's okay.
Cortex 32:04 Happy thread.
Jessamyn 32:06 still open, still open.
Cortex 32:09 There was a I was amused by this nice roundup of discussions of the idea of EA Sports in the Olympics. And EA Sports for anybody who is not familiar with the term is a guy who
Jessamyn 32:26 cheated on eSports
Cortex 32:28 knew I'm curious what that's about this. This is just more about the general idea of including video, edited video for athletes. Yeah. Because you know, there's there's there's impaired me. Well, that's that's what much of the discussion is about is like, really? Is that really a sports? Is it really athletics and people like Yeah, but like, what about other stuff that was originally in the Olympics? And it's like, Well, are we arguing about whether eSports should be in the 21st century Olympic Games, or whether it would fit in the early 20th century Olympic Games next to like literature and whatever. So yeah, it's kind of an interesting thing, because like, it becomes a discussion where people have strong feelings, but I want to get up early descended, the people yelling at each other anything. But people have feelings about what sports are and what Olympics are and what the idea of status quo should be, and so on and so forth. All wrapped around, you know, discussions of, it's hard to get away from like the perceptions of video game culture and its own right to like, I can look at people who play like serious professional, competitive video games, there are people who do that as a full time like
Jessamyn 33:36 hardcore jobs. Right, right, right.
Cortex 33:39 But you know, most people don't perceive it that way. They think of video games and think of like, well, this is recreational, which is fair, because like, for the vast majority of people, that's exactly what it is. So there's just a bunch of things that intersect and I thought it was sort of an interesting discussion to see what people's various assumptions that they were bringing to like the question of video games, the question of eSports the question of the Olympics. So you just get some decent discussion and you know, the links are nice to fish did a good round up on this, which I will say quick shadow, we had like the month post stuff, July best post month. And one thing that I don't know if anybody did any specific award on this, but phys just sort of undertook to have a private posting challenge of posting a lot about video game stuff in July. And I enjoyed a whole bunch of that. So hey, good job is that was good stuff.
Jessamyn 34:26 Yeah. Did you give out your prize?
Cortex 34:28 I did. I did. I did end up I think later that day, I finally sat down and gave out my my my list of winners and plot. It's
Jessamyn 34:38 nice. Yeah, I had to send some postcards. I sent one to Toronto, which was fun and got back some pictures of Toronto and I was happy about how that worked. I can't find this like cheating in eSports. He didn't really cheat. But basically he won a tournament like a video game tournament by basically using kind of a known unpatched at sploit Oh, you know, you know what I'm talking about? Right? I'm talking about, but I don't know if it's recent. Yeah, I can't like I can't conjure enough details. But like, you know, people were split like, well, that's how you play the game, you know how to use the hacks and you use them? Versus he totally cheated. Like, and people were like, No, he's not that good anyhow. Like, if he couldn't have used the cheats, he wouldn't have even placed yet, apparently. And so everybody was mad. But that's the only esport reading I've been?
Cortex 35:33 Well, it's an interesting thing, because like, the idea that, you know, it feels like a clear cut thing, but maybe it's not completely clear cut the idea that like, you know, well would a video game you have these very artificially constructed, you know, rules and rule sets and barriers and whatnot. And however it operates is how it operates. And if, if things don't work correctly, they're still working, like, you know, if you if you go and play baseball in a ballpark, that's got pretty small outfield, it's going to be easier to hit homeruns. Right, like, and so like, it's not cheating to be playing in that ballpark, you're just playing in that ballpark. But no one
Jessamyn 36:14 really thinks everybody has perfect knowledge. Yeah, and how big the ballpark? Yeah, but you
Cortex 36:18 don't expect to find out that there's like a, you know, like, foot diameter hole out in deep left field, that if you hit a homer that doesn't quite clear the fence, it goes through that hole. And then it's still it's technically a home run, right. Like, like, we don't have that sort of issue. But this is something where I bet there are people who are paying enough attention to the oddities in sports association, and, and whatnot, that they wouldn't be able to come up with things that are at least sort of analogous, where it's like, well, well, shit, you know, technically, yes. What happened is legal. But on the other hand, it's totally not what's supposed to happen. So, you know, right. Video games, it's all since it's code, since it's like,
Jessamyn 36:57 well, because it's only code, right? Because all you have is the code, what you're doing is using the code the most effectively.
Cortex 37:04 Yeah, and what can you say about something if like, it's a bug, like, oh, no, reality is incorrect. So you can't have done the thing that you just did? Because there was an error in reality, so you're disqualified? Yeah, I was like, That's right.
Jessamyn 37:17 Well, it's like trying to figure out what the founding fathers wanted. Yeah.
Cortex 37:22 I bet I bet Scalia was really into eSports. That's probably how did you bring him up? I don't know that he's a constitutional originalist or at least claim to be whatever the fuck I regret bringing him up. Let's move on. He
Jessamyn 37:32 died. Yes. That's what you get. That
Cortex 37:36 will teach you
Jessamyn 37:40 so I can't make the Skype not show me the big boxes for the links. It wants to show me the links. Do you remember how we fix that in the past? I don't. Alright,
Cortex 37:53 yeah, I do not. Maybe they maybe they patched out the maybe there's a bug. You weren't supposed to be able to do that. You're disqualified from the Skype tournament.
Jessamyn 38:01 Fine. I like I don't want to do the state tournament either. But the email tournament, I'm gonna run place and show in that email tournament. I have. I'm doing the Vermont Library's webmaster email for a week. And she uses like, inbox or whatever, some like skin on top of Gmail, and I figured it out. Nice. I'm good at email, text based email, any email, I can do any email. I can do an attachment in mime
Cortex 38:33 can any do shit I got I
Jessamyn 38:37 can make a mailing list in any email program.
Cortex 38:40 How about Eudora? Yes. How about web TV's? email client? Can you make
Jessamyn 38:47 web TV has an email client? Oh, I bet you can't even send attachments through it. You know,
Cortex 38:52 you couldn't use lowercase letters in its web TV was amazing.
Jessamyn 38:58 The worst? Yeah. Any email the email Olympics I would place
Cortex 39:03 would that be? II?
Jessamyn 39:07 Keep working at it. Yeah, eventually.
Cortex 39:10 Twitter later it'll be there.
Jessamyn 39:14 No, I didn't fix it. No, I didn't fix it. Oh, wait, wait. Now there's a tiny triangle. Edit message. Nope. Button.
Cortex 39:23 We should probably not figure this out. Like, you know, I'm not gonna go back and you edit it? No, I refuse. Tell me about this thing you just pasted. All
Jessamyn 39:32 right. So the best thread for librarians in August was probably Oh, dibs. Did this book by its way onto the New York Times bestseller list. Thread, partly because it was a it kind of hit all the points. Like it's an interesting article on a website. You might not have seen otherwise, with a super dramatic story about basically the super shitty book that showed up on the New York Times, but Seller List, despite the fact that it was barely even out, and nobody had basically read it, and there weren't really any good reviews, long story short, it appears that what they did was they figured out the bookstores, who were the indie bookstores that reported to the New York Times and bought just under the amount of announced double books on pre order so that you could return them later. I mean, it's so Wakey, wakey wakey, inside baseball, but the thread just kept on giving. I mean, not the thread, the article kept on giving because they continued to update it. I just thought I saw my name, but it's a guy named Jeremy West. But for a second, I was like, I'm in this thread. Continued to update
Cortex 40:44 your interview. I know.
Jessamyn 40:45 I know, more and more information. So there's like six updates, blues travelers involved? Seven updates. Yeah, yeah. The guy from Blues Traveler. And so there's
Cortex 40:56 a whole bunch you can run around.
Jessamyn 40:58 Well, apparently. Like assume that's a Blues Traveler song, but I don't even know.
Cortex 41:05 I really appreciate if you just run with it like that.
Jessamyn 41:10 Um, yeah. And so the thread is just fun, because there's a whole bunch of people talking about the things that they know. And it's evolving. And like, they're like, if you like this, you'll like this other thing and read it. And so it's just, it was delightful. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed reading it. I liked sort of knowing about it from a library perspective. Yeah. Was nice.
Cortex 41:32 Yeah. That was great. I liked this incredibly dumb thing that Philip random posted. That is just an hour long loop of a brief clip of playing a saxophone. That's all that's all. It's just an hour of it. So there you go.
Jessamyn 41:54 What is it everything they're still terrible. What do they link to? I'm afraid to click those links. Oh, I'm
Cortex 41:59 assuming it's links to everything is terrible. Maybe Old Post or something? Yeah, it looks like it's a click to everything is terrible. And an older post about everything is terrible. It's you know, everything is terrible. I probably they make video content. That's basically the sort of thing.
Jessamyn 42:13 They are looking at it right now.
Cortex 42:15 They curate the weird, odd old VHS stuff. Basic. Nice. Oh,
Jessamyn 42:21 I do because Jim loves them. Yeah.
Cortex 42:23 And they've got a nice old, like, 70s 80s TV, spiral logo type. You know, back before we had good CGI. It says everything is terrible. It's great.
Jessamyn 42:34 Right back there is that CGI was pretty horrible. Yeah. Nice. So it's just a child playing saxophone? Yeah.
Cortex 42:44 Just a few seconds of that looped for an hour. That's all. That's the whole big. Great sort of post it could totally get deleted on the basis of that's the post but on the other hand, maybe. Let's do it. Let's let's say that I was on shift and it definitely lived.
Jessamyn 43:02 Well, that was the thing I actually got to work a couple days. Yeah, fun. Filling in it wasn't even when you were away.
Cortex 43:09 Yeah, yeah, no, it's just a scheduling stuff. I think it's because lobsterman was away. I think maybe it was what was going on. I
Jessamyn 43:14 don't even know if I ever got to know who was away but a couple days and it was great.
Cortex 43:18 It was seamless. That's how seamless it was. You
Jessamyn 43:48 ah, I enjoy just from an off feel good perspective, this end because I'm interested in accessibility topics feed dreams post about the accessible theme park. I also liked it because I deleted a shitty comment from this and felt good about it. Very good about it. See,
Cortex 44:06 remember that okay, yeah.
Jessamyn 44:09 But basically, it's a guy who has a daughter with disabilities and theme parks didn't really work for them. I mean, Disney tries, but the rides themselves are still the rides. And so he started a nonprofit to help people with disabilities. And they created this place which is an ultra accessible theme park called Morgan's Wonderland in Texas, sponsored in part by Toyota. And it just has, you know, rides and stuff you can take your kids with and it is thoughtful and not super scary and kids with wheelchairs or kids with mobility issues or kids with other disabilities can do it.
Cortex 44:53 People just squat folks not not likely to traditionally be included in the design considerations of A traditional theme parks. Yeah, like some kind of inclusive design. That's crazy.
Jessamyn 45:07 Yeah, it's cool. And admission for those with special needs is free. A million people visit a year. Family members pay, but it's not that much money. It's just it's the it's a neat idea. I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for medic filter. And the discussion other than the one shitty comment that I deleted was great.
Cortex 45:24 Which I this is so so here's the thing, like I saw this post, and like, a brief meditation on like the hazards of moderation. From like, the personal enjoyment of the moderator. I mean, is like I was aware of that post. And so I was like, Oh, that Yeah. Did I read about that? I don't remember if I read about it, maybe I did. Because I couldn't remember. And it's because that thing happened. And so I ended up seeing like, one of the flags or something or a comment you left in there?
Jessamyn 45:51 Yeah, I think we talked about it in the slack chat, because that was a user. Yeah, maybe elsewhere.
Cortex 45:57 So like, I have this. This happens with a lot of threads where I have this vague sense that maybe I already got to that because of something I saw because of moderation. And I feel like probably every podcast like at least once or twice like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right.
Jessamyn 46:11 Read did not read that. Yeah, yeah. And it's
Cortex 46:15 so like, there's a number of things that just like, because that's like, I kind of inbox zero on topics like that, where I'm like, did I get to that yet or not? And if I have to get to that, okay, well, I won't go for that. I think about it on stuff that otherwise, I would probably enjoy. Because I like sort of mica list.
Jessamyn 46:33 Actually, we should make a list in this podcast of all the things you said you're gonna read, and then catch up on you next podcast.
Cortex 46:41 I think we should do that next podcast because I don't want to go back.
Jessamyn 46:46 You're on. You can make a little bit more careful with your mouth.
Cortex 46:50 Okay, so here's, here's what I propose you make a one item list, which is Josh has to take notes on the stuff he says he's gonna go read, and then remind me that at the beginning, I don't work for you. I will make the actual list of things I need to know. I'm just saying like, for this
Jessamyn 47:04 podcast, right? I'm like on my phone, like texting Jim, like, hey, doing the podcast, don't text me a million questions, because I'm busy. And he's like, oh, yeah, great. I'm going to work. Remind me at 415 to look and see if there's extra pizza because Harvard kids get free pizza. And so Jim also gets free pizza sometimes. And I'm like, Dude, did you just literally tell me to do something? You could make your phone do?
Cortex 47:29 Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jessamyn 47:31 Okay, I'll set my phone. So set your phone. Yeah. Phone. Yep. For remind me. If people say red pill. Red pillars. Yeah. That's good. Just got followed by somebody who says we chose the red pill. But are there other steps like anti fascism? Yeah. Trump.
Cortex 47:55 Well, that's that's confusing, then. Red Pill is not promising self identification. Red Pill are people who believe that they basically swallowed the correct pill and were able to see the reality of the anti
Jessamyn 48:08 Oh, but you could be using that ironically. Yeah. So
Cortex 48:11 that's the thing. Like it's like, it's the sort of thing you would say sarcastically about yourself, if you're trying to take a shit on dumbfuck MRA people, but then again, maybe you're one of those weird Venn diagrams where you like, you know, Nazis are bad. Also women, you know, it's like, so I don't fucking know, like, my immediate assumption if I see someone else identifying as like, taking the red pill is Yeah, yeah, that looks like a fellow who I need to, you know, abort immediately.
Jessamyn 48:41 I was just reading an article. Um, so Southern Poverty Law Center is my new best friend because I gave him money one time and they email me like every damn day, but like, I like what they stand for. And they're anti fascists and whatever. But basically, Stormfront is having a very difficult time maintaining its domain. Yes, something we did not talk about on meta filter. Because talking about Stormfront is against the rules.
Cortex 49:06 I mean, it came up in conversation in the big ongoing political threat at the time. Yeah,
Jessamyn 49:11 yeah. Yeah, I think that's probably how I felt about it. But so you know, whatever, like, Stormfront can't maintain a website because no one's going to do DNS for them. And then there's actually people in the discussion on Southern Poverty Law Center talking about how they used to comment on Stormfront but they're like, not racist. But again, like red pillars, like they have something else wrong with them, you know, like, they're like, Well, I really appreciated storm fronts perspective on whatever the fuck it was. And I'm just like, reading this like, What? What? What, like, there's a lot I don't understand about the right in general and these fuckers in specific so Yeah, interesting. I'm pretty sure these people are legit. All right.
Cortex 49:58 Yeah, you'll have to you'll you'll have to do it. So tonight I'd like I basically said, hey, if I found this guy who has two super contradictory things written about himself,
Jessamyn 50:07 I didn't know opposite job made it to meta filter. It did. It did.
Cortex 50:11 I was gonna say this where I
Jessamyn 50:12 say I didn't know it. And then it turns out, I commented,
Cortex 50:16 exactly the opposite of that. I was gonna say, Well, you saw this because you come in, and then No, no, you didn't come in here. Just like there's a bunch of I think it must have been that Plus, there's some library discussion in the thread. And I think I just sort of smoosh it all together.
Jessamyn 50:28 Well, you know why there's some library discussion? Because the opposite job of a librarian is a model.
Cortex 50:34 Yes, yes. Yeah, it's good. Like, like, what did you think of this thing?
Jessamyn 50:40 Come on. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. I liked I want to say about this thread,
Cortex 50:50 I thought it was interesting, because of the way it exposed. Like, it's kind of exposing the model, like, it's fun to play with as a tool, because like, hey, plug in your thing and find out a different thing. And then think about why it's like that. But it also a lot of people know that, like, my job is not anywhere on here was one problem. Like, you know, there's definitely website moderators not on
Jessamyn 51:10 there, there was a whole bunch of things I didn't see, like Pharma. Yeah, well, when was this? What's the date? The eighth? I can I can track it in my tweets.
Cortex 51:20 Oh, yeah. It was August 8, we were talking about it on on the site. Yeah, like, it feels like, you know, that it's the Department of Labor's you know, list of classifications or whatnot, and then skills and tasks associated with that. And so, you know, it's it's broad brush, partly because it's like a big government classification of stuff. And it's not incredibly detailed. So it's always going to miss out on a bunch of stuff. But it's also one of the things where there's probably some degree of internal sort of coding and classification of meaning to the labels or using the don't translate directly to just delay reading of them. And so the whole thing, it's basically doing something clever with a tool that's not equipped or designed to support that clever idea very well. And so it ends up right
Jessamyn 52:05 is really kind of plodding and literal about it. Yeah, I got into I get into some, like, the opposite of a veterinarian is also a model. But the opposite of a model is a physicist. There are no entries for hermit. There's no entries for astronaut. There's no entries for wizard. So yep, yeah.
Cortex 52:31 There's like weird. Notable things have the same opposite. And that thing can only have one opposite itself. So the graph is shaped weird. Lumberjacks have no opposite career.
Jessamyn 52:43 How can the lumberjack have? No, I would think almost at the lumberjack opposite career would be librarian.
Cortex 52:49 I'm gonna I'm gonna plug in lumberjack and see what happens. Maybe it's just a thing where there is no lumberjack entry and
Jessamyn 53:00 right, how was Professor not a job? Oh, you did come in, in this thread.
Cortex 53:05 wood cutter? I don't know. Yeah. Anyway. So it's like I kind of feel like it's, it's a dataset that doesn't really support the tool very well. And the results of the tool are really great. But
Jessamyn 53:17 they're so nice and nerdy that everybody's like, Oh, poke poke
Cortex 53:20 poke poke poke, which is, let's let's dig in on the functionality of the thing. Oh, and
Jessamyn 53:25 meta filter when I'm logged out. It's just showing me all these like senior senior Life Alert things because I'm using my mother's browser. That's horrible. Jesus. Stop seeing this ad. Not interested. All right. So I am done with Metafilter unless, hold on. I clicked the thing. And then I saw my tweets on one page, which means that, um my browser is done with me. Ah, no, I was gonna say unless I made a post this month, but I didn't. I was gonna make one about how I figured out how I found out reading another book that like milk delivery trucks have like multiple ways to engage with the transmission. So you can like stand up in the middle and either drive it with your hands or drive with your feet. But which is an interesting thing in real life, but I couldn't find an interesting web aspect to make a post about it. Really?
Cortex 54:31 Yeah. Where are you tweeting about that? Maybe a little bit of question. So I definitely saw like a patent diagram or something at some point. That was Yeah.
Jessamyn 54:38 But that's as interesting as it gets. It wasn't really something I would spend a lot of time talking to Metafilter about I think, yeah. Oh, well.
Cortex 54:48 Well, do you want to talk about last minute filter?
Jessamyn 54:50 I sure do.
Cortex 54:52 I asked you see I asked a minute filter.
Jessamyn 54:56 So I did ask a question. But I A day fucked it all up. So I have been playing a lot of more than none video games this month because I'm just trying to outlast the blues and fill some stuff in. And so I've been playing a couple games that I love for the Apple TV. I think I decided to do this on the last podcast, go ask a question. I like these games, I need other games. But I kind of buried the lead. And didn't do that nerd thing that I often don't like. So I don't do which is like, Don't you dare give me a not Apple TV game. You know what I mean? Like, but really the important part of that helped me find a game for the Apple TV. Really, the limiter is the Apple TV. You know what I mean? Because I can't play a game for another platform on the Apple TV at all. So I got a lot of great feedback on awesome games, and anybody who doesn't have an Apple TV should really check out this thread and learn about awesome games that Jessamyn likes.
Cortex 55:55 Excellent argument for the utility of questions beyond just the asker.
Jessamyn 56:00 Yeah, yeah. And I got a lot of useful feedback from people. But I only really learned about one new game from ETS game called Shadow medic. And other than that, I've just been playing a lot more Alto and, you know, getting to the point where I'm like reading the Internet to try and figure out how to do better at it. Because I'm, like, stuck on all the levels now.
Cortex 56:24 Yeah, I ended up picking that up. I haven't gotten very far to get, but it's very nice.
Jessamyn 56:30 The music is beautiful. And it's got enough gameplay that you can play for, like 15 minutes, but really, you're not tempted to play for 45 minutes, which is kind of what I need out of a game, you know? Yeah, you get to go on a bunch of runs. But you're not going to
Cortex 56:44 sit there all day and play. Yeah, that's not gonna eat up your brain.
Jessamyn 56:47 Yeah. So that was my my first for AskMe and a filter. I'll track down the rest of mine. Tell me about yours.
Cortex 56:53 See, I'm going to talk. I'm going to go in an odd direction just because I'm amused enough by this.
Jessamyn 56:59 And because you're Josh Yeah, I know. I don't direction. And then I think you need a reason buckle up, everybody.
Cortex 57:06 I'm Yeah, no, this is this is this is a question. That is not very interesting. But it's spam. But it's completely destroyed spam, because they were trying to be indirect about it. And it's just sort of keeping it around as a specimen. And near the irony being asked medical care is a good enough of a community that it's kind of a whatever question, but it could be useful to somebody at some point, well, I
Jessamyn 57:31 saw this, there's another medical alert ad. I just can't. I'm gonna go change Firefox to my default pressors this instant. But it was kind of interesting, because I thought it was gonna be like a twofer, where like one person signed up to ask this me question. And then they signed up with another user, they signed up with another account to spam there. Well, they just included a spammy link, you removed it. And then the question was just sitting there. Yeah. So
Cortex 58:06 it's like, it's just a big question about like spas, and I'm sure it's something where they're just doing keyword searches and found that like, Okay, well, this one's got some good link juice on it. All right, I'm gonna, you know, Oreos, keywords like, this is something that I'm gonna be able to get some keyword action on this shitty spa sales website. So they just wrote this great big question. And like snuck in a, you know, I did a lot of research on this. And, you know, if I was one page, spa, yeah, like this one page has some information. But I still have questions. So I'm gonna post this here. And you know, then that gets picked up by Google. And that that link in the post ends up getting the juice and they're effectively promoting it. And so I'm looking at it, like, you know, I can't, I can't quite make the connection. And so usually, if I can't actually establish any causal link between, like a spammer and their spam, I'll just kill the spam and keep an eye out. And so that's essentially what we're doing here. Like, I'm 100% Certain in my heart, that this person is up to some bullshit spamming, but they're spamming is so indirect, because they're trying so hard to do the establish a presence on a site and then just, you know, include a link in a larger context, and then you know, it'll be fine, you know, whether they think it's it, I don't know, if this person's thinking of it in terms of I'm getting away with this. Or if they're thinking in terms of like, morally justified. If you're listening to the podcast, by the way, Jen, Jen 23, definitely drop me an email. We can we can discuss this on air. But, but you know, it's like, well, it seems more like I never know if someone is like thinking, well, here's my strategy, and then I'm gonna get away with it. Or they're thinking, Well, I'm obviously in the moral right here, because I provided all this extra content along with my link. So I'm doing a good job. It's a win win, and I'm not a fucko which they are, by pulled the link out, and because they did this indirect thing, it's just a question. It's just a question about a topic and it's sort of rambley and like, who cares? Maybe someone who's looking at Buying stuff and people have good advice. It basically says, actually, you know, I mean, you might want to consider something else here.
Jessamyn 1:00:06 Doesn't work for what you want. Yeah,
Cortex 1:00:08 maybe join the YMCA or your local pool or whatever. And then they did come back
Jessamyn 1:00:16 with cost, it would cost a shit ton of money. Like you could go to the pool a lot. Yeah. If you have that kind of money. And I liked a different. Hey, that's an actual landline calling.
Cortex 1:00:32 Oh my gosh, don't answer it on the air. Now it's
Jessamyn 1:00:41 a it's a courtesy call like my mother didn't get. I mean, she used the landline all the time, but like her friends aren't calling her. So the only people that are calling her are terrible spammers. And so I'm learning a lot more about terrible spam. Now, like a month later? Well, terrible spammers and like people who just kind of want to call and talk about her some of her friends. And like, I'm willing to have that phone call. And so I do pick up the phone. And maybe it's somebody who doesn't know. So I feel like it's the right thing to do. But it's not, it's not really the right thing to do. Alright, so there was another water based question in line to that one, which is not about spas, but it's about aqua therapy, from Brooke horse, basically, health issues, doctors prescribing aqua therapy. I'm trying to figure out if I need to go with a physical therapist, or I can do it on my own. Here's my prescription. It says I might need a physical therapist. Do I need a physical therapist? Give me some advice. And, you know, I know a little bit about the pool. And I always jump into these things. Like, I have some information. But like man, other people really had like, you know, Jessie, the K was like, Hey, I've got very similar issues. I've been working out in the pool for 25 years. It's super helped. Here's what I've been doing, blah, blah, blah, and just, you know, a whole bunch of people who have Postural Orthostatic, tachycardia syndrome and fatigue. And so it was just good. I felt like there was a lot of good feedback. It was exactly what the user needed was a short thread, eight comments, but I felt like it was helpful for the user and I was pleased about it.
Cortex 1:02:24 Nice. That's a good setup all around.
Jessamyn 1:02:28 It was I also liked this question from mudpuppy when she had to euthanize the best cat ever. Oh, totally sorry, because that always sucks. When that happens. She's gonna adopt some kittens. But one of the kittens that's near her looks a lot like her recently euthanized cat. And she's trying to figure out if that's a bad idea. Like, is it a bad idea to adopt a cat that looked like the best cat ever? Yes or no. And it's just a nice pet thread. Anyone answers? You know, the variety of yes, no, maybe. But I was interested in it because I was interested in what people had to say.
Cortex 1:03:12 Yeah, it was an interesting question like that. I mean, yeah, like we so we had cats that looked like each other. Yeah, we had two like really identical looking cats. We got them as like seven month old kittens. I remember 2008 And yeah, we lost one of them a year or two ago at this point. Crappy and the other one still around and being hurt chilled grouchy self and, and so it's kind of weird because like, you know, she's a very strong visual reminder like Frey is still around. And she's a very strong visual reminder of free who's now passed on.
Jessamyn 1:03:47 Right? Well, and also their names are almost identical to me. Yeah, in retrospect,
Cortex 1:03:50 that like I really liked those names, but yeah, we probably it's nice to have Freya and Bodie. Now it's less less confusion halfway through the name. But yeah, it is an interesting thing. And like, it feels like, like, I don't know if there's an answer. I feel like that's a very sort of like, personal sort of headspace sort of three. How do you feel about it?
Jessamyn 1:04:15 Well, and that is kind of, yeah, I mean, it's, it's definitely true. My sister's in kind of an interesting situation because she has my mom's cat. Which is like a long haired like almost a Ragdoll Cat and her other two cats are like, black cat brothers. And so having the new cat that also looks very much like a new cat. You know, like, doesn't look like the other cats. Yeah, I think maybe making it a little bit more difficult to just wrapping a new cat into the house. Because it's not the same sort of, yeah, I don't know. But you know, yeah, it's all personal. But it was interesting. Just, you know, listening to them, listening to people discuss it. Yeah. What year were you born in? Josh
Cortex 1:05:02 79.
Jessamyn 1:05:04 All right. Cuz I was enjoying also, this AskMe editor was read about 97 When you would have been 18
Cortex 1:05:14 graduated high school went off to college. Yeah, you graduated
Jessamyn 1:05:17 high school and after college, I was married and living in Seattle. But basically anonymous, is writing a story. Doesn't want to just Google was a tween in 97, so younger than you. And it's kind of wanting to know what it was like, especially for like women, queer people, people of color immigrants, what was easy? What was hard? What am I a garbage human life ruining millennial forgetting and taking for granted. And it was, of course, the funnest thread. I sort of missed 97. And I had a blog in 97. So I could actually kind of know, month to month what the hell I was doing with my time, which is scary.
Cortex 1:05:58 If I was making that list of things to read this I would put on it and just try and go through and like skim for stuff that that gave me thoughts.
Jessamyn 1:06:05 Yeah, well, it's fun too. Because it also, I mean, one of my favorite things about metal filter has always been that I feel like you know, the people in your community as people. And the reason that's true is because of threads like this, I can read this thread just as interesting. But I can also look at the user names and know who's like about my age. Yeah, you know, and know if we had similar upbringings, or different upbringings, or whatever the thing is, and that I think just those little teeny pieces of sort of community cohesion add up overall over time to be a bunch of people who all know each other useful.
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Jessamyn 1:07:14 Did you look at ASP Metafilter at all?
Cortex 1:07:16 Not much. I did. I did post an update for someone a late update on a 2003 question about picking a neighborhood. That's 13.
Jessamyn 1:07:24 That's 2013. Josh,
Cortex 1:07:26 what did I say? Three people asked me, someone posted a question about moving to Baltimore. And anyway, they they they moved and it worked out. Very like you know, very, very, like low stakes. Caitlyn B,
Jessamyn 1:07:45 a longtime user of t care. Yeah. I didn't know she moved to Baltimore. You think that's the kind of thing I would know.
Cortex 1:07:52 That's awesome. What do you do? That's great. So yeah, there's just there's your random late update in the thread. I enjoy those like, it's very rarely anything other than, hey, that thing worked out or hey, that thing didn't really work out. But yeah, it's no,
Jessamyn 1:08:06 you know, I'm enjoying today's Ask, ask recap in meta talk, how the thing went, which is actually how I I had reread my video game thread earlier today, specifically because of this. Yeah, what happened with your question? Yeah, a couple other small ones I liked. In fact, this thread is small and should be bigger. It's by a real truck roll, who is lovely, and has been a longtime Metafilter person who I interact with a lot in various ways works for the EFF is terrific. She's talking
Cortex 1:08:40 about the some eff stuff the oh, that cetera. The what, what, sister? I might be getting the word wrong, but
Jessamyn 1:08:52 siesta like maps? No.
Cortex 1:08:55 I think I've got the wrong word. But it's like the
Jessamyn 1:08:57 public transportation.
Cortex 1:08:59 The Communications Decency Act Section 230. Sex trafficking carve out thing. It's, it's Yes. It'll probably come up on meta talk. They're working on sort of, hey, let's not have this terrible legislation.
Jessamyn 1:09:17 Oh, yeah, you're right. Stop and who's your librarian? I am. Right. Anyway, but I'm
Cortex 1:09:25 sorry. This asked me.
Jessamyn 1:09:27 Yeah, so he's really obsessed with Williams and re a musical comedy duo from South Dakota. And he likes a lot of like, let me find comedy stuff that has specific, bizarre, nitty regionalisms. What's your local? Funny? Yeah, super regional stuff. And of course, I'm super into the logger from Vermont like enough that like we bought tickets and went and saw him and he talks about order, duct tape and newcity drinks water out of an old maple syrup. Joe Rogan He's hilarious but like he's he's ditching even for Vermont. You know what I mean? Like, I think he is very funny but man, other people are like, he's so stupid. Yeah. So listen to other people talk about what their hyper local people are was good and the things I want to get back to and do something is like this thread go listen to some regional comedy
Cortex 1:10:24 Yeah, yeah it's interesting. It's an interesting question. I wouldn't even know where to start with Portland like I can think of some like local Portland
Jessamyn 1:10:30 community like Portlandia is like,
Cortex 1:10:33 but that's such a shitty answer, because like Portland is, I mean,
Jessamyn 1:10:38 because it's bad or because
Cortex 1:10:40 because it's because it's such a superficial gloss on Portland from you, right? And Fred Armisen doesn't really have Portland context like, Well, Harry, at least sort of does. But
Jessamyn 1:10:53 when I live in Seattle, there was like a Saturday night comedy show right before Saturday Night Live called almost live. That was all local Seattle humor, but part of it only worked because Seattle wasn't, you know, a huge cottage cultural hotbed, you know, that everybody was moving to and everybody thought they knew about it, I think it would be difficult to do something
Cortex 1:11:19 when that's the thing like Portlandia I think it probably isn't a good answer, whatever feelings I might have about it. Otherwise, just because they're not Yeah, it's an outward facing like it's a it's a show where the comedy is being directed at a national perception of Portland rather than being aimed at a Portland constituency per se. You know, there's plenty of stuff on it for me as a Portland residents say, Oh, hey, it's that shop? Oh, it's that street. Oh, they're making a joke about that, like alt weekly or whatever. But like, you know, the jokes are being designed to read to an outside audience. Yeah, yeah. Like it's not gonna be impenetrable to someone who's not from Portland, the way that someone really riffing on like, local Portland politics and business might be. So yeah.
Jessamyn 1:12:06 That's all and useful self care, thread. Politics, Politics are driving me crazy by browner. I really need to manage the stress. And I'm an activist, how do I unplug this string of questions follows lots of good advice from other mefites, who are also deep into doing this kind of thing?
Cortex 1:12:26 Yep. Good. Well, I got I got nothing for ask. Okay, beyond what I mentioned. So you've got more plow through?
Jessamyn 1:12:40 I don't know if I do those were kind of my major ones.
Jessamyn 1:12:50 I'm just looking now through some of the things that I actually commented on. What because I had a bunch of faves that I mentioned. And now I'm trying to figure out if there's actually something I mean, you know, there was the good kind of reading list I really liked good historical fiction helped me find some good historical fiction. There were good. This is the one I want the update on. My male friend who I like asked me to go camping solo with him, and I can't figure out if it's a date, how do I manage this? By the way, I do sometimes like to cuddle but not fool around with people. How do I navigate that? And it was interesting, because it really kind of splits the B fight population. In terms of like, is that a thing you do? Is that a thing? You don't do? Like, you know, that's never a thing that I've really done. But I acknowledge it's a thing that like the younger people do, but it was interesting watching different people talk about that. And then I love bananas was like, I don't understand people who text and then just walk away. And again, the thread was like, Yes, I totally do that. Or no, that is the rudest thing ever. And so it was interesting interesting to read. Yeah, different people feel different ways about it. But ya know, those are my that's my asked me the rundown. Well, and then with the wrap up by dirty old town that we talked about,
Cortex 1:14:19 Oh, yeah. Oh, let me get the link for that. Or did you already throw it in there?
Jessamyn 1:14:24 I throw it in earlier, as well as the baby. Yes, the baby Jewish shoot,
Cortex 1:14:34 I was gonna guess Jewish but I don't know the Jewish idea. You ch e idea. They they had a baby,
Jessamyn 1:14:42 baby. So terrible baby. First baby in 2015. And a very excited Big Brother, an adorable little baby. Everything's cool. I just love it when that happens. And who was saying somewhere in the thread. But I didn't know if they were joking. That there's like 32 Zamboni was saying there's 32 Metafilter babies. Is that possible?
Cortex 1:15:07 i That's that seems totally possible. That's like, you know, a few a year that got documented. That seems reasonable to me.
Jessamyn 1:15:15 That seems low, actually. Yeah.
Cortex 1:15:17 I'm sure there's more but like that there have been like, you know, maybe meta talks for that many, well, young
Jessamyn 1:15:21 broke writer basically did a thread like in 2011, recognizing a whole bunch of new babies. But now I'm trying to figure out, Is there a thing on the wiki? Or maybe I'm not sure, because for a while when G Man was around, I think it was G Manor, it might have been boo boo. They were buying a new account. Yeah, for all the new babies, I remember that. But now I'm now I'm looking. And I don't I can't find it offhand. Which also reminds me how are we doing on transcripts?
Cortex 1:15:59 Very, very idle. I think the folks who had been primarily involved in making it happen at all have been, I think, just busy.
Jessamyn 1:16:08 Okay. Maybe we should get on that. I know. I feel like that's kind of an important thing. visa vie. Accessibility.
Cortex 1:16:17 Yeah, no, we should we should we should look at trying to find a way to get that back. Yeah. Oh, we're actually
Jessamyn 1:16:21 doing better about transcripts than we are about doing them on the wiki. So it looks like there's transcripts all the way up to 125. And they're only on the wiki up to 90.
Cortex 1:16:35 Oh, I guess we got to so at some point,
Jessamyn 1:16:38 or somebody who hasn't. Let's take a look at that. Yeah. So for somebody who would like a little project, you could go to the podcast page, and make sure all of the transcripts that have been done are actually linked and sort of worked out, because that would be a kind Oh, you know what it is? Part of it is some of the later transcripts have been done, but they're alphabetical numerically. So podcast, Bono's seven appears way before podcast 93 Yeah, but not still there have only we're missing someone who would like to it would probably be nice to get that a little bit more lined up. I feel like the transcripts are really useful for people who would prefer to read and not listen to these podcasts.
Cortex 1:17:25 Someone go have a have a rainy day project and and sort that out would be beautiful.
Jessamyn 1:17:31 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, those are my things. Welcome back from work. Yeah, yeah. Got anything planned for Labor Day.
Cortex 1:17:38 I think Mr. Zark one is having a little barbecue over his house. So
Jessamyn 1:17:43 please say hi, please say hi for me.
Cortex 1:17:45 We'll do I'll mention a few Mettaton things real quick here. We mentioned earlier the how should we pronounce your username thread, which I'll tell you go back and read at some point.
Jessamyn 1:17:58 Like I said, either again,
Cortex 1:18:01 you've ever again.
Jessamyn 1:18:08 Easy why that's the way I've been pronouncing that one. I feel pretty good about that. Berhad I don't understand that. Kevin's name is kale Mara, not Kamara.
Cortex 1:18:19 Oh, Mira. Yeah. Oh, mera shoot.
Jessamyn 1:18:23 So I feel good about that. I tell people how to pronounce my name just in case. Even though I say it all the time. MC Mike Nomura?
Cortex 1:18:33 Yes.
Jessamyn 1:18:35 Club divs X exquisite for dark killed Dre. Yeah, dark Kielder. I didn't know that one at all. Rating foreign Henderson. Taco cats. Pretty easy. Chris two for Chris two. Four was the big eye opener for me. I was like Chris 24 or whatever. I guess we had 23 Other Chris's when he signed up. Now. Chris two four. Christopher? Seriously? What? Yep. Who takes bomb photos? By the way? Yes. Sorry, did
Cortex 1:19:13 I skip on? No, no, no, no. I'll run down some of the other Meditec stuff. I actually thought this was kind of an interesting discussion. We end up happening about posts involving aggregation sites.
Jessamyn 1:19:24 Oh, yeah. I enjoyed this conversation because it
Cortex 1:19:27 is sort of complicated. It's like a very this is this is a contemporary discussion about something that like would have come down very differently in 2008. That's nine. Because right basically panda. Yeah, the web was in a different place, then Metafilter was in a different place then. And it was kind of more of a cup over fluid issue with available content for posts. And now the web's kind of gotten into a weird semi ossified state where there's not as much weird interesting blog stuff around, it's harder to find post material, but also there's been so much sort of,
Jessamyn 1:19:59 well Do you do find aggregators where it's like, here's 50 Great versions of a thing. But each individual thing is in some random place. So it really is creating a new thing, putting them all in one place. If they're not just stealing. Yeah, that's for
Cortex 1:20:15 clicks. Yeah. So I feel like we've come to a place where there's this sort of middle ground places that aren't as good as like the actual bespoke random blog I would like to find in any given post, but they're making more of an effort than the shitty ones used to. And so it's like, Hey, it's okay. This is part of the mix. You know, it's not my, I probably would never make a board Pana post myself, just because like, I have my own specific preferences about how I construct posts, but at the same time, I don't want to, I don't want to crap on these things when they you
Jessamyn 1:20:43 don't want to tell people not to share a fun thing. Exactly.
Cortex 1:20:46 So you're sharing one thing seems like a good thing. But that was an interesting discussion,
Jessamyn 1:20:50 I still think we should have made it filter lists a way to curate your own best metal filter on metal filter.
Cortex 1:20:55 I still like that idea. And I still have no idea how to go with it. We talked about it a bunch at one point. I think probably the last time you and I talked about a little bit on the podcast,
Jessamyn 1:21:03 I think I think we need to do like a fundraising for features thing. Maybe Maybe we can raise a certain amount of money to hire for more or somebody else to build the things we want. Yeah. There was also if we're gonna be, what is it when you're ruled by the richest people? Not meritocracy? plutocracy. Yeah. If we're gonna be a plutocracy, I might as well get the feature I want.
Cortex 1:21:27 Hola, querque. Maybe something? I'm bad at governments.
Jessamyn 1:21:32 Governance or government
Cortex 1:21:34 governments. ungraded. Governance. Super good. We had a hurricane Harvey check and post on meta talk that is still you know, certainly active. Well, and
Jessamyn 1:21:43 wasn't that interesting, right? Watching a bunch of people think that they were going to lose their houses who then didn't? Yeah, I don't know if we do have people who actually wound up losing their houses. But the people who I was paying attention to? Who thought they were going to be in really bad shape or not? Yeah, yeah, check in if you are in trouble and need help, because I know that there's a whole bunch of people who are there and willing to help.
Cortex 1:22:08 Yeah. So yeah, that and there's a you know, there's discussion posts on the Bluetooth but the meta talk one's a little bit more community centric, obviously. And there is, I did another podcast that the Patrick O'Keeffe's community signal. I totally forgot about that. I'm sorry. No, that's fine. It's fine.
Jessamyn 1:22:30 That sounded like it went. Well, you and I had spoken about it briefly somehow.
Cortex 1:22:34 Yeah, I think we were just chatting or something. But oh,
Jessamyn 1:22:38 no, I remember because I mentioned in the thread, like, oh, I specifically mentioned to you, it was very sweet of you to acknowledge all the help that other people also brought to working shit out in metal filter. Sure. Yeah. Well, you say sure. Like it's normal and metaphysically person in charge to acknowledge other people doing work. So I thought it was very nice.
Cortex 1:23:03 But yeah, it was kind of funny, because like, I enjoyed it. And I think it came off. I think it came out pretty well. But it did end up being such kind of like, I picked like five bummer topics in retrospect. So it's like, I try not like go super like gloomy. And man, she hits hard. And this is difficult and whatnot on on our podcast. And then I went over to his 40 minutes of things that are bad.
Jessamyn 1:23:23 Even more difficult than usual. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, now I hear you. But I thought it came out really well. I read the pipe. I read the transcription. I mean, it's another wonderful thing about Patrick's podcast is that they do the transcription every time he just pays to do the transport. Yeah.
Cortex 1:23:39 And that's the thing. I asked him at some point recently say, hey, just to get an idea of this. And it turns out, part of the answer is, well, if you want it fast, it's expensive, relatively speaking, like, you know that and that's fine. That's but you know, we don't really have a podcast budget per se, as part of the metal their business model. And you could go Yeah, no, it's something, it's something I'd look at. And that might be the way to go in the long run. Because as much as I think it's great to be able to leverage community, you know, like, sort of volunteer effort on stuff that sort of on the sidelines like this, it's also it's asking a lot like the people who have done translate or transcript or work for the medical podcast over the years have been fantastic. And it's a huge, you know, donation of of time and effort and so it's also no shock that it's not something that's going to be super consistent because geez, like it's
Jessamyn 1:24:25 it's free it's free labor while and I've had a you know, on me fight, who I go to consistently to transcribe when I'm interviewed on the radio, and I think I come off really well and the radio won't do transcriptions. So you know, and they're not super expensive. So you know, it might be worth I think there were five or your feature,
Cortex 1:24:44 I should I should I should give it a shot for one of these months and then just sort of see how if you let the results in the cost and go from there,
Jessamyn 1:24:51 because it might be that you can drop the whole thing and defend scribed and then have me fights copy edit it, which might be a better use of everybody's time.
Cortex 1:24:58 Yeah, more more spot checking. rather than the raw typing I looking at the transcripts for Patrick's podcast, it's funny you look at, like, everything that came out as unintelligible was basically a username. And I imagine, it's gonna be 10 times as bad for our podcast because like, Oh Jesus, if nothing but references to in discussions of people's usernames and web memes and shit, so
Jessamyn 1:25:22 we don't even know how to pronounce them. So.
Cortex 1:25:25 So it might be worth the money just to find out how badly it goes. At some point. There was also a meta talk thread about the big Eclipse, which happened and was very cool. And a lot of people saw it in various places around the country. So if you're, if you're looking for some Eclipse chatter, definitely check that thread out. And there's a nice post from yesterday saying, Hey, I like it when there's sort of themes in people's posts. What have I missed? And there's a couple dozen comments of people saying,
Jessamyn 1:25:56 oh, right, other people who are doing Fimi work that you may not have noticed.
Cortex 1:26:00 Yeah, exactly. That's nice. You know, it's one of those things where it's funny, there's, there's been times historically, when it's been a little bit of an issue if someone was like, like Hobby horsing, but that's almost entirely someone who's like, I need to tell people the truth about x rather than, you know what, I really like dogs. You know, I like dogs.
Jessamyn 1:26:19 Dogs are I'm trying to just find a, you know, a theme and this is a good theme.
Cortex 1:26:26 Yeah, exactly. So I there's some nice stuff there. And it's like, go check it out. If you know, other things, let people know. But yeah. Do you want to do you want to Music Minute? While we're at it,
Jessamyn 1:26:41 I want to Yeah, it's all. Alright.
Cortex 1:26:45 Then I guess we'll do one. All right. A few hear. There is a song called I've been drinking all day by bluebird wine, who I don't know if we've mentioned on the podcast before. But it's a nice country song about heartbreak and drinking all day, basically. So I quite like that. There is a remarkable song by Grumpy Bear 69 About golfing based on some online golf game they were playing that they were not good at called indelible swing. And I think that one's super delightful. There is a couple of cool story sort of songs. So there's this by Axel T, called strictly germ proof, which is their recording of a poem that droplet posted in a metal filter thread. And then someone else is like, Well, someone should record that. And actually, he was like, Well, okay, so it's a, it's just a poem about germs. And, and, yeah. And that happened. I enjoy that that happened. And another thing that just sort of happened over the course of months, is the damn bees posted a recording of a song that meat bomb had asked for, like, in May, I think he posted saying, Hey, I wrote the song called LSD is hard to find, but I don't really
Jessamyn 1:28:17 have been working on his version of this.
Cortex 1:28:21 And the ensuing three months, like
Jessamyn 1:28:23 on and off this whole time, like he's like, oh, somebody else did it. Well, I'm still gonna work on mine.
Cortex 1:28:28 Yeah. Well, that's good. I look forward to hearing his as well. Sure. But anyway, so the damn bees took that and did it. And it's pretty great. And yeah, so there's your there's your Music Minute. I enjoyed all that. It was super good. Great. And that may that may be everything I have to cover. fanfare go look at stuff on fanfare. I haven't been watching any TV. I was in the woods. I still
Jessamyn 1:28:51 watching. I haven't seen another movie since I get out. Which still has people occasionally posted to the thread. Super fun. Yeah, I still
Cortex 1:28:59 need to see it, too. I still need to see it and like talk to Griffis about it. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's me. I think that's I think that's my podcast content.
Jessamyn 1:29:09 I think that's my podcast content. It's always great to talk to you. Welcome back. My birthday.
Cortex 1:29:17 Good Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
Jessamyn 1:29:19 Yeah, go for being what? Two times two times two times three. To be in seven times seven. What's How do you factor 4806 times
Cortex 1:29:30 eight times two times two times two times two. Yeah. to the fourth times three. Yeah.
Jessamyn 1:29:36 Yeah. Pretty exciting. I liked that a lot. But seven times seven pretty good prime or not prime number.
Cortex 1:29:43 So square prime square.
Jessamyn 1:29:47 But yeah, we're gonna go to a Cat Sanctuary and go bowling.
Cortex 1:29:50 Excellent. That sounds like a solid solid birthday.
Jessamyn 1:29:53 Yeah, look for a Cat Sanctuary photos on Monday.
Cortex 1:29:56 All right. Great. I will talk to you later.
Jessamyn 1:29:58 I will talk to you later.
Cortex 1:29:59 Bye. All right now if I talk to you first,
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