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A transcript for Episode 104: I've Got Wheelhouse In The Head Now (2015-05-06).

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Cortex 0:07 Welcome to the metal filter odd. Hi, and welcome to episode 104 of the metal filter Podcast. I'm Josh Maillard aka cortex.

Jessamyn 0:20 I'm Jasmine West.

mathowie 0:22 And I'm Matt Howie,

Cortex 0:23 and we are talking about everything from April 8 to today's may 6. So about the month in there, we're slowly crawling back towards approximately the start of the month. We'll be there by the end of the year. I figure

Jessamyn 0:37 you guys get it. First. We can have the next podcast be in like three and a half weeks.

Cortex 0:41 Maybe Maybe we can just make it happen. Well, maybe means if we can just schedule it. We're still continuing to navigate the the choppier waters of Matt,

Jessamyn 0:53 Matt's got a new job. Yeah,

mathowie 0:55 you can always bring on cold chef and replace me or something. He'd be great.

Cortex 0:59 I'll take it under advisement cold chef, you're now on the podcast. Can

Jessamyn 1:02 I tell you guys I got a postcard from cold chef that is just delivered, quote to one of the most wonderful humans I know. Unquote. Oh, and it arrived in my mailbox.

Cortex 1:15 So fantastic.

Jessamyn 1:16 So thrilled one. And it was a picture of Lieutenant General NB forest, whose Wikipedia page I had edited because he helped found the Klu Klux Klan. That's my little culture story. All right,

Cortex 1:31 moving on. Nice. Well, what can you tell us about the number 104 adjustment?

Jessamyn 1:35 You know, ah, there's a big debate, once you hit the hundreds about whether you call the numbers 104, or 104. But 104 doesn't have that much to recommend it. Although this thing I thought you might be interested at or could explain to me in regular geometry, according to Wikipedia, 104 is the smallest number of unit line segments. So like lines, right? That can exist in a plane with four of them touching it every vertex? What does that mean? Could you just have four? Does that make sense to you?

Cortex 2:12 I'm trying to I'm trying to think through what that would involve. So they're on a plane for touching at every vertex? I think the idea? Well, it's not that.

Jessamyn 2:23 I mean, it's just two dimensions, right? Yeah.

Cortex 2:26 Yeah. So so we're laying them out flat. People love sharing these geometry on the air. But if they're saying for touching every vertex, that means every point there needs to be for coming together. Unit line.

Jessamyn 2:40 Right, right. Right. So like four corners, right?

Cortex 2:43 So each line would need to be like a centimeter long.

Jessamyn 2:47 Just go out forever. Oh, well.

Cortex 2:51 So I think I think you just have to have that many before you can put together a really complicated nest where you manage to get where all of them touch everything. Yeah, or all of them touching, you know, an equal number of each other where the number is four. Because if you just had four lines, you could have four of them touching at a single vertex, but then you just have a weird little spiky thing with four things sticking out. And then the other ends of those aren't touching anything. So at

Jessamyn 3:16 some point, you get to the end. I mean, like even if you have 100, for the ones on the outside, still aren't going to be touching it for points.

Cortex 3:27 I think that's what they're saying is when you can like, alright, just the right sort of snake oil, I'd be interested to see what that looks like. Because yeah, it sounds like that sounds like a classic sort of like graph theory problem was like,

Jessamyn 3:38 There's a picture if I just knew what to Google. Other than that, 104 is primitive, semi perfect number, whatever. Sure.

Cortex 3:48 It's not the number of cards in double pair of decks,

Jessamyn 3:51 number of keys on a standard Windows keyboard.

Cortex 3:54 Yeah, what's the Windows keyboard anymore? Really?

Jessamyn 3:57 It's got 104 fucking keys. That's what it is. What

mathowie 4:04 is that just American thing? 100. It might vary a little bit. I don't know. Maybe, maybe maybe the standard keyboard is so standard that you just suck it up whatever nation, someone at Slack in Swedish users would complain. There's some kind of keyboard called like as Zack or something where the letters are in a completely different pattern and some of the keystrokes are totally wackadoodle like terrible hotkeys. Yeah. And I'm like, why would z be on your home row? What? Like it's I had never heard of this keyboard, but it's a thing.

Jessamyn 4:33 So you guys just have to make sure the key commands also work for those people. Yeah, we had

Cortex 4:37 to do in some weird Swedish stuff. You don't wanna give him like wrist strain or whatever.

Jessamyn 4:42 No, not restraint, but make it so that when they type things automatically,

Cortex 4:46 oh, I was misunderstanding.

mathowie 4:50 So when we see jobs ish

Cortex 4:52 jobs, any jobs you liked? There's a there's an online community manager gig. Dan Han posted on it. Ah, Code for America.

Jessamyn 5:02 Oh, such a great job. That is a perfect job for somebody who's not me. Seriously, like if lobstermen were not like healthy and happy at Mehta filter, I'd be like she should have this job. Because they're super nice. It looks awesome code for America's Great. Oh, now I see and see what it pays. Dang it. Let me see I'll take 75k ish.

Cortex 5:27 Wow, neat. Yeah, actually paying people for community management,

Jessamyn 5:31 it's like, well, I mean, I think they really mean it. Right. And they're trying to sort of move I think out of startup B range into things where people have sort of job jobs I have this like article in writing in my head about how you can tell if you're getting paid bullshit startup money or real money. And part of it is, you know, getting paid a number that you could actually bring to another job and they are not like what? Oh, hey, Stan are apart with our cat another job I turned down.

mathowie 6:01 Really? I would. Oh, my God, two and a half weeks in San Francisco. Is it pretty not gonna

Jessamyn 6:05 be ya know, anybody who wants to be in San Francisco and knows or thinks they know rolled truck roll, they've got a cool apartment. They'd rather have a person staying there than just the cats hanging out lonely. And they're really nice people,

mathowie 6:21 San Francisco, they could sublet it for probably two or $3,000 and have multiple people wanting that like that. Cat.

Cortex 6:31 Yeah, that's it's a trickier thing.

Jessamyn 6:33 I sent out an email before they posted this. And I recommended among other people, I'm sure like posted to Metafilter. And they really want you to be you know, around to like feed the cat and hang out with the cat and not let the cat out. Like if somebody's paying you money. You don't have the same kind of sort of control that if like you're giving them a thing like rubbing them.

mathowie 6:53 Well, I'm saying that is it like that is $2,000 worth of of sublet time. Like, right. I would pet a cat every day for that. He's no I know. It's just put up a job pet my cat for $2,000.

Jessamyn 7:10 Just pay you in rent also?

mathowie 7:13 Yeah. Pretty cool.

Jessamyn 7:16 Yeah, no, I think that is cool. And I can personally vouch for the fact that role tough role is a good guy.

Cortex 7:22 There's a couple of little sort of job. Let's two for the last month one is Mr. Justice wants someone to help them choose a representative set of zip codes from a larger set in an intellectually defensible way.

Jessamyn 7:34 Oh, wasn't that in AskMe? Metafilter. Also, or I don't know. I thought I thought I saw it there. And someone was like, Dude, this a job put it in jobs.

Cortex 7:44 Oh, that is that is I think what happened? And I think it got sort of talked through a little bit at the point of intersection of jobs as part of it?

Jessamyn 7:52 Well, because they want to do science, right? And they have to like pick a bunch of zip codes. I mean, isn't that the kind of stuff that you learn in like science school? Is how to do that. I mean, I don't know I

mathowie 8:02 samplings, like straight out of biology and sticks. Like yeah,

Cortex 8:06 I mean, I'm, I'm basically happy to see someone saying, Hey, I'm not sure how to do this. Rather than saying to self, I don't know how to do this. I'll just make some shit up and call it pulling. Yeah, so you know, at least at least they're inquiring. So yeah, look like, check it out. Sort of double whammy of asked about how does one do this? And then Job saying can someone do this

mathowie 8:25 seems like the ledger would tell you like look at, you know, multiple, what ever per capita income, like you tried to get a variety. There's gotta be a math. I

Cortex 8:35 mean, I think there's there's a lot of methodology. And there's a lot of literature. And it's probably if you're going to be taking seriously any of the results you're getting, you need to be familiar with it. But to some extent, if you're trying to look into something and you don't have a background in statistics, and demography, and polling and whatnot. Yeah, I don't know, I think it'd be really easy to just sort of say, well, I'm not sure, but I'm gonna follow my instincts and come up with this scheme that someone else came up with 200 years ago, and that's what they used. And that's why we had a polio epidemic, but I don't know that, you know, so at least asking someone you know, just like that, it's, it's really easy to draw some reasonable, incorrect. You know, this is about how you know, what might work and what might be representative if you don't actually have a background in it, I think. Not that I have a background either, but I have enough of a background to know that I don't have a background and

Jessamyn 9:26 I know that other people have backgrounds in this, you should talk to them. Meanwhile, I've applied for this job pronouncing and recording lists of words in an obscure language I consider Romanian obscure and you consider me being able to pronounce it.

mathowie 9:39 Dragon dragon

Cortex 9:45 cortex. That's right. It's a curious idiolect of American English

Jessamyn 9:49 egg bag cran or gym. Like I said, who says to our draw, like oh, yeah, he pronounces most words normal and then some words funny.

Cortex 9:59 Yeah, the first time ever I was like, What the hell are you talking about? Yeah. And it's like, you know, you'll pick up the drawers.

mathowie 10:04 So yeah, I saw this seemed pretty cool. You have to pronounce 200 weird words.

Jessamyn 10:09 I think it's just 200 Short words. Oh. But I'm not sure if it's words in those languages

Cortex 10:21 you should probably contact them and inquire if you're I did. Oh,

Jessamyn 10:24 yeah. Yeah, I dropped him a note.

Cortex 10:26 Okay, cool. I was talking more generally. But that's

mathowie 10:29 Australian. I mean,

Jessamyn 10:31 tell me it's $30 Australian

mathowie 10:34 plastic money with with? Find out? Are they the country that does women on the back of all the money? Or is that New Zealand?

Jessamyn 10:44 It's only 24 bucks American.

Cortex 10:46 That's what you can spend 24 bucks on I wanted to buy a $30 pizza man.

mathowie 10:51 You should go buy a $2,000 pizza

Jessamyn 10:54 pizzas around here like six bucks. So that's like four pizzas. That's a pizza party.

mathowie 11:00 To the pizza party. You just

Cortex 11:03 can't. I can't actually think of a $30 pizza. Like I think it was like $20 pizzas in town.

mathowie 11:08 Come on Portland has $20 pizzas.

Cortex 11:11 Well, yeah, that's what I said. But I'm just 31 anywhere in New York, probably. But uh,

Jessamyn 11:17 well in New York, they have extra big pizzas.

mathowie 11:19 Oh, that's yes.

Cortex 11:21 You know, I hear that. New York's really good.

mathowie 11:23 I hear Ray is pretty famous for it. Move on.

Cortex 11:28 I wanted to mention real quick. Speaking of Dragon crisis, Tom. Or crisis, Tom. What sent me the crisis? Oh, wow. I don't know. It's a reference that I don't know. That is.

mathowie 11:44 Whoa. They bought Yeah.

Cortex 11:47 There's someplace in Pittsburgh that landscaping business called So he said that to me saying

Jessamyn 11:54 that's a different. That's dragon. Well, and I think

Cortex 11:57 I think this is one of those things that I always think is interesting about how people handle like written phonetics, because we have the International Phonetic Alphabet for a reason because it's unambiguously assigning specific, very specific sounds to letters. But most people don't know IPA, because it's a big, scary mess, if you don't actually study it. And so people just sort of, say I did as well as I can. And when you just try and write what you are saying the way you think about it using letters that don't have that lack of ambiguity. People don't agree about your unambiguous phonetic spelling.

mathowie 12:33 It's, yeah, it

Cortex 12:34 seems like a really weird, constant problem. I don't think I would

Jessamyn 12:39 have known IPA, except that shriek back printed all the lyrics to their oil and gold album in IPA. And if you wanted to know what the songs were, you had to figure out what that weird characters meant.

Cortex 12:56 Like that's, that's both awesome. Awesome and annoying. Like super nerdy, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, part of the problem there is like, the thing you lose with the going IPA is you no longer have disambiguation between homophones right, like, right, right, right. Yeah. If you took someone to the mat, you know, and it's a pun on your buddy mat. Then you could never tell that from the IPA because like, Oh, Matt.

Jessamyn 13:20 Well, Matt and Matt, at least sound the same. I think you're talking about

Cortex 13:23 well, what's what I'm saying? It's they sound the same than an IPA, they're gonna look identical, even if they're different words. So if they're homophones you lose that you lose that distinction. And that's why people should not put song lyrics only in IPA if they rely heavily on homophone pawns. Well, good they don't. Yes, I traveled back in time and enforced that and that's why we're all safe from from that menace.

Jessamyn 13:48 Hey, Josh, did you put your latest bullshit up on projects? Yes. No,

Cortex 13:51 I did. I put up that genetic football thing we talked about a little bit last time. Oh, not that one. Your latest or the latest latest? No, no, I just I'm sticking to the posting schedule. What's just I just I just put up a thing I sat down and wrote this yesterday on a whim and then sort of got carried away with it. But it's it's

Jessamyn 14:11 completely smitten with it.

Cortex 14:13 It's the oldest story in the world it's uh, you know, like boy meets girl boy loses girl girl finds boy, you know that that whole sort of, like, jokey way of summing up? You know, it's the oldest story in the world. And then there's the standard joke.

Jessamyn 14:29 Internet cafe yada, yada yada Martian beats up preacher and Martian and musician die in one another's arms. What is your

mathowie 14:36 corpus like Twitter or something?

Cortex 14:37 No, I just I generated a bunch of stuff by hand. Because Well, the thing is, if you want to put a bunch of nouns and verbs together, you have to sort of think about how you know words work together grammatically, because things get really complicated once you try and just literally grab words and shove them together. If you have a plural noun versus a singular noun, you have to have different verb form. As for that, like, you know, boy meets girl versus boys meet girl. So I wrote up I came up with a set of constraints where I could keep the actual syntax of the whole thing as simple as possible by only allowing you know, certain variations on words and whatnot and such as JavaScript. Yeah, no, it's just JavaScript it's it's a little bit of logic and a bunch of arrays of words in different classifications. even see

mathowie 15:23 your script Jesus. Oh, there is boy meets girl.

Jessamyn 15:26 I found a title I sent it to you in the chat window. Oh, excellent.

Cortex 15:29 Thank you. Thought I spelled devastated wrong to

mathowie 15:34 drug dealer discover stepdad pop singer pursues drug dealer sleeps with the president you knighted states smoldering looks president united states because a military base and drug dealer and stepdad die and one others are classic, you should awesome. The whole thing permalink them maybe they need to have their evils. Share them. Yes. When they get a good one. This isn't better. Typewriters, monkeys at screenwriters, you could have called it 10,000 Monkey

Jessamyn 16:11 It's awesome. I love it. But it has nothing to do with project. So maybe we'll start talking about metal filter my bad.

Cortex 16:17 We'll talk about that next month after I posted. Yes, projects, projects, projects. There were as always a number of good things.

Jessamyn 16:25 I like this one that swears by ethnic knock to always makes fun little things. Chrome extension puts a couple bucks into whatever webpage you're reading. Don't have enough fucks hit the button some more. Very funny when you apply it to stuff like Wikipedia. John Tyler, John fucking Tyler was the fucking 10th President of fucking United fucking states. You can see why I like this.

Cortex 16:52 I think this should be paired up with like a 10 year old say the darndest thing where he should have like 10 year olds read these and try and get through them in the straight face while cutting in that way that only a 10 year old can you know it's like when adults cuz it feels so sort of, sort of practiced and self aware. But like at that age, it's still like taboo enough that like, you can feel the really like raw gestating performative aspect of the whole thing as right working it out in real time.

Jessamyn 17:20 Right. So I thought it was just fun goofy one off enjoyed it, dissecting that

Cortex 17:25 super neat. Another weird entertaining thing the Mad stork posted a thing called Word doll raw. And this is great. That was one of mine. Take it away. I don't

mathowie 17:39 know go it's great.

Jessamyn 17:41 IPA in

Cortex 17:42 it? Yes.

Jessamyn 17:45 Yes, I can understand this. Somebody please explain.

Cortex 17:48 Okay, so it's word dot camera. It takes a photograph. And it does image concept extraction. With clarify basically, it it's something that does some analysis of an image and tries to extract actual conceptual content from that image. So you know, a simple example might be recognizing that a person isn't an image, a little bit more detailed than that you might actually try and identify like, gender, age nationality.

Jessamyn 18:17 We saw a thing like this a couple months ago. Yeah, there was

Cortex 18:21 there was something else. It was also sort of image analysis. Maybe I'll see if I can track that.

mathowie 18:26 It's funny. I just did my face and I'll show you guys a screenshot. Because it's like, it kinda gets some details. Right. But there's a nonsense paragraph about glasses because I'm wearing so which is impressive. Like it's impressive to figure that out. Yeah, but there was I think there

Jessamyn 18:46 was the party one I remember is this you today that no, this is a while right now. You're wearing a puffy jacket right now.

mathowie 18:54 It's my Welby. I wear it all the time.

Jessamyn 18:58 Okay, okay. I understand that will be

mathowie 19:01 Yeah, no, the Microsoft Research did one where like, it would say green field with goat and it'd say two or other things that weren't there but it was pretty good. And this is kind of like it's like funny nonsense. So it's I mean, it's all just like lorem ipsum text but it is

Jessamyn 19:17 basically lorem ipsum only only barely

mathowie 19:20 related it says portrait says headphones Holy shit. There's a paragraph on headphones a portrait? Yeah, where I wear

Cortex 19:29 this definitely goes much more long form and takes each thing it can recognize as an excuse to just sort of go and so yeah, you get this weird sort of loosely stream of consciousness sort of, you know, riffing on the

Jessamyn 19:41 years used some other alphabet mine use some other alphabet for part of it too for it put Russian in it. I uploaded a picture of a submarine. I cleaned out my desktop on my computer yesterday. You know how your desktop gets kind of totally full. And the only thing I haven't gotten rid of is pics Have a YouTube video is watching it's just called 12 hours of a submarine sound effect, which I listened to all 12 hours of showing it on like 1155 And then I uploaded it and got some always a market and to conceptual the market appertains to the world of commercial activity where goods and services are bought and so I don't even okay. Okay,

Cortex 20:25 yeah, it's nice. It's it's a it's a nice, it's a nice riff on that whole idea. There was a tune from the welke called modern horror tales. Something that was like I think I post on the nib.

Jessamyn 20:45 The nib so good. It's like, everything is terrific,

Cortex 20:50 modern terrible things that happen. Like, you know, somebody called on the telephone. It's got a picture of like a landline, you know,

Jessamyn 20:57 stuff the link went to a PDF. Hey, there's no such thing as a teacup pig. I just put a teacup pig picture. I'm not sure yesterday. This is relevant to my interests.

mathowie 21:10 What? Pygmy pigs, tiny pigs.

Jessamyn 21:14 But there are there are but the thing is, if you look at like teacup pigs, a lot of people buy them because you know, baby pigs are very small. But one of the reasons we eat pigs in the first place is because pigs get really big. You know, like from being very small. So you buy a pig, you think it's going to be small, and that little pig that fits in a teacup can grow up to be as big as a Great Dane. Which is what the wealth put in this thing, which is probably true ish.

Cortex 21:46 Are there are there any non Great Danes like are there smaller Danes out there where they had to like say no, but this one, this is a great thing. This is a question for our dog lineage. Right now at one 800

mathowie 22:02 Do you want to own it adequate Dane.

Jessamyn 22:05 It's a nickname was the gentle giant.

mathowie 22:10 There's this awesome project

Jessamyn 22:11 name change. It used to be called a German bore hound. German breeders tried to call it a German Doge Mastiff. increasing tensions between Germany and other countries. And this was like a long time ago, it became referred to a Great Dane after the grand Dawn Wah. Which was Wow, a dog that look completely different. So they named it after basically kind of a different dog. That's a good question. I don't know as

mathowie 22:48 I always see a Great Dane about once every six months and still every time you go, Holy shit. That's a small horse.

Jessamyn 22:54 We've got a little ratty kid in town who has a giant beautiful dog. And so every time I see him, I'm like, oh, it's that kid in the trench coat? Seriously, I don't know. For other uses. See the Great Dane. Victor Bori. A Brigitte Nielsen. This is a joke.

mathowie 23:16 Wikipedia's changed man.

Jessamyn 23:19 List of people by nickname goodbye, fellas.

mathowie 23:22 The this great project called wave list by Ben word Mueller is sort of its you make playlists on a subject of pod cast playlists. So, you know, here's all podcasts about you know, there's some about the science of scent, and you click on it and it's like, three or four podcasts. It's basically

Cortex 23:47 yeah, specifically like podcast episodes, right? Like it's individual apps rather than saying oh, if you like that you should listen to this entire podcast you

Jessamyn 23:54 like weird birds. So like weird birds. I click on the thing and here's four podcasts I might like ones on radio lab ones on criminal ones on Here Be Monsters? Yeah, talking about that. And Aaron Joe Ritchie curated it so it's curated by people.

mathowie 24:10 Yeah, I haven't tried I should do actually keep track of like Slack podcast is basically a sexy version of half defer but subbed

Jessamyn 24:18 around what it

mathowie 24:21 definitely is the worst name. I think it's Jeremy Keith edits probably some sort of Python joke or something but have never heard about her death hover over fears of death. is basically a thing that lets you make a playlist of any podcast anywhere. And I use it exclusively for like when people on Twitter go oh, hey, I'm a guest on the noodle hour 175 and I'm in there for 20 minutes so I go I'm not gonna subscribe to like whatever goofball noodle hour but you can just I can make a playlist of those one off episodes that I like, and I just saved them to

Jessamyn 24:57 boy that are talking about the topic that you are He just did it. Yeah. So

mathowie 25:01 it's basically delicious. But you only have one feed. So what they're doing that wave, what was it called, again, way list is like you can make play lists about anything you want, and then keep these all organized. So it's kind of like, I guess it's like delicious, but also have podcasts, but like, you'd stick them around subject matter, which is interesting. Well, and

Jessamyn 25:22 they're just curating them themselves. But theoretically, you know, they could open it up to have other curators, I mean, you know, that was always the thing I wanted for better filter was to people be able to be, like, create a curated list of the awesome stuff on metal filter that has to do with whatever disability rights or things that have to do with Vermont, or things that are fun in a waiting room, or whatever it is.

mathowie 25:45 It's an awesome idea. It's

Cortex 25:48 where to stick it, but it's funny. I was talking with Pb, because we're trying to work on sort of the underlayer stuff for having like an actual calendar on fanfare. Oh, nice. That would wait. And like yeah, basically, that would tie in to being able to do you know, actual movie clubs that are supported natively, rather than just, you know, ad hoc, organized, oh, so get a calendar put together, get the club concept of togetherness, you can start like the werewolf movie club, or we're gonna watch

Jessamyn 26:15 this movie every Monday

mathowie 26:17 is already done for IRL. I mean, it's like

Cortex 26:23 we're working on it. It's okay. We've got a we've got a plan that involves the work, you're doing the work and you don't

mathowie 26:31 know, go into some brilliant idea that we had sitting under our noses for the last well, and yeah,

Cortex 26:36 we talked about that to some extent. And there's like, there's both a question of how we use the stuff that's on IRL and also how we use stuff that's just really specific to fanfare. And so we're sort of looking at both of those and figuring out where to go with it. But in any case, the point is, being able to create sort of a club that lets you aggregate fanfare content into one place, even your cross genres, because like, right now, the movie club is the obvious thing, because it's like, hey, that's, you know, planning to watch a movie is good, because TV just sort of keeps happening. But a movie comes out once and how does everybody know when to watch it? Especially if it came out years ago?

Jessamyn 27:09 Well, and with so many people having Netflix, you can have a bunch of people who are watching it roughly simultaneously, which is a little more challenging with fricking. Redbox.

Cortex 27:17 Yeah. So we're trying to sort of get that going. And part of the idea there is then you could actually sort of collect together posts in a variety of styles on a variety of subjects and fanfare. So it wouldn't just have to be a movie club. It could be a, you know, someone could start doing club and it could say, hey, let's watch the David Lynch film. Hey, let's watch the old sci fi TV miniseries, hey, let's read the books, you know, hey, let's

Jessamyn 27:43 just call me when book filter free why that's

Cortex 27:45 the thing. Yeah, I feel like once we have a calendar of events will be so much easier to do books, because it'll be possible to natively organize, hey, let's read this and you know, talk about it in a month. Whereas right now just be like, Hey, I hope someone sees the metal, the fanfare talk,

Jessamyn 28:00 right, you can see something coming up in a way that you can't right now in a way that you can and IRL.

Cortex 28:06 Exactly. So So yeah, we're working on that. I'm actually really excited about that. And I think I think that'll help make books, something that will actually make sense to launch too. So. So exciting stuff there. But yeah, that's not on the brains.

Jessamyn 28:19 I like it. So my last thing, I think you mentioned this, but Julia banana, who we all very like, had got this had this crappy harassment situation happen in Austin, and created a sort of a neat sort of written thing about how punk communities deal with harassment issues. And you know, it's tough, right? Because the punk scene is supposedly, you know, people are allowed to be who they are. And yet, when people harass other people, that shouldn't happen. And so whatever, she just wrote out a whole bunch of stuff that was actually pretty interesting and worth kind of a good read. And then it got. And then it got posted to Metafilter. I just wanted to point it out to people who might not have seen it, because it gets useful and worthwhile. It's nice.

Cortex 29:14 It's a it's, it's a good collection of resources, which is nice, because I mean, it'd be totally reasonable, just say, Hey, I had this shitty experience and just want to write about that. But she did that. And then, you know, actually said, and here's a bunch of stuff.

Jessamyn 29:27 Right? And if you're involved, especially in DIY communities, where you might not have sort of other external power forces, here's ways to help make women and trans people feel safe in the spaces just like everyone else. Yep. Yep, was good. Very good.

Cortex 29:43 I had a couple other little ones that I liked as well, Devil's rancher,

Jessamyn 29:46 who's this one,

Cortex 29:49 Twitter base, Pluto facts, facts in quotes because, you know, facts. It's really, really factual. And definitely not unscientific, like Pluto. Maybe ice but if you tried to drive a Zamboni on it results would be minimal because the Zamboni would weigh like eight pounds on Pluto so there you go yes it's a fun collection Devil's ranchers is going to be double whamming This podcast because he also posted something to music that I like. So look forward to that whatever we'll actually remember to do the music quarter this time we we yes we the royal we this is all really gotten to my head is what I'm trying to say. For you all is that and then a cute little thing Eric Bob posted I with all kinds of sizes. It's the dumbest little thing and I think it posted in that spirit it's

Jessamyn 30:45 it was like through this because it looked ridiculous. It's just

Cortex 30:48 it's just like ending scene from from Star Wars with the metal presentation and you know, Han and Chewie and Luke walking up and later giving the metals set. Oh, this is perfect to the audio from from dirty dancing. I had the time in my life. And it's just not bad. It's it. You could totally see someone having made this directorial decision.

mathowie 31:11 You know, every great movie ends in an award seat scene. Oh my god. So good. Pretty good.

Jessamyn 31:20 No, I got I got a Google ad on Vimeo why I got the same thing. Start Video

mathowie 31:27 used to be cool, man.

Cortex 31:29 Yeah, they they have started up in pay the

mathowie 31:33 bills. Yeah.

Jessamyn 31:34 Just like everybody. Oh, well.

Cortex 31:38 Why is Vimeo because when when Eric Bob put the post in, by the time I got to reviewing it, like five minutes later, YouTube had dropped the DMCA hammer on it immediately. Well, it's all automatic. You know, they just do the detection and then they you know shoot first ask questions later

mathowie 31:54 with a sledgehammer first. Yeah, and then you can appeal that Yeah. Which is

Cortex 31:58 what I did with that housing and it worked out okay, but it's like it just it's it's such a situation.

mathowie 32:04 I can't believe in that silence. I guess they've visually matched it

Jessamyn 32:08 that God oh that house thing sorry. Yeah, how

mathowie 32:12 did you get busted for silent house well,

Cortex 32:14 the silence in that was all genuine. Like I didn't actually kill the audio. I just parked when no one's talking. So they searched it if they're checking audio they can check. Oh, yeah, there was this quiet murmur we recognize the audio signature of that client murmur?

Jessamyn 32:28 No way.

mathowie 32:31 ages four John Cage does not want you to publish four minutes.

Cortex 32:39 John Cage is 433 this is this is a sticking point for me because the thing is a performance of 433 should not be silent. It just doesn't have any music playing right like there should be the sound of the piano opening and closing. You have depending on artistic license there could be the sound of piano pedals being depressed there should be audience there is it's it's a it's a fucking experiential thing. The idea is not haha what if there was no sound? It's like what happens when you take an audience and give them a performance that provides them

Jessamyn 33:08 that doesn't involve touching the keyboard? Yeah, artists is still there.

mathowie 33:12 I love when it's over and you get all the suppressed coughs like real performance. It is like 30 seconds of coffee and at the end when they go

Jessamyn 33:22 okay, everybody's been like holding in the hall.

mathowie 33:26 And everyone chips in their seats. It's actually kind of funny. I was crying with my friend who was for free from myself from the love

Cortex 33:49 automatic filter.

Jessamyn 33:50 Let's do let me I did not sort my list. This time around. I shut up. I have lists.

Cortex 33:56 No, no, I I don't doubt it.

mathowie 33:58 Clicking on things. What was the deal with this amazing post on everything ever with the brunching shuttlecocks? Didn't like did was? Was Laurie putting it away forever? Or did this come out of nowhere like Jr's a monster post of everything ever? It's amazing. But I think Jay

Cortex 34:19 Harris may have just gotten inclined to do so I don't remember what the dates of something with or about brunching shuttlecocks A while back, but I don't remember what I think.

Jessamyn 34:30 More just by the way. Yeah, Laura shoberg

mathowie 34:34 actually stopped in 2003. Because I always thought it was around, you know, up until a couple of years ago.

Cortex 34:39 He's done a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. And it's sort of carried on in the same sort of tradition, that sort of, you know, funny, wacky sense of humor he has. But yeah, brunching shuttlecocks itself, I think is basically been dormant. And I really I don't remember, law brought something back in some sense, and it may have just been sort of retweeting some of the classics of the archives of one of his projects but but yeah, anyway yeah monster post about a bunch of work by one of my favorite internet people ever. Laura is just just a goddamn gem. Yeah, that was that was great in albeit like, these makeup posts remain something that I'm glad they while and I'm glad they happen every one I never rarely yeah like like it's something that really should not be a normal thing but it never is like it's always sort of notables like, oh every couple months someone goes nuts. And if it was something where someone was going nuts like every week or every day that'd be like more of a issue and I feel like I feel like it's even come up in meta talk a couple times when someone who was sort of on a kick where they were really doing a bunch of mega posts or even

Jessamyn 35:50 and you're like, you know, it doesn't really scale give other people's eyeballs a chance. Yeah,

Cortex 35:54 exactly. But this occasional thing it's, it's, you know, once in a

mathowie 35:58 while and it's for a good cause. But yeah, my fingers tired from scrolling through it. Like that's how long it is. But yeah,

Jessamyn 36:06 it's your fingers.

mathowie 36:09 What do you do in your mind

Cortex 36:12 ethically inducted

Jessamyn 36:13 I just like to pretend you live in the future now Matt.

mathowie 36:17 Just because I was shitty watch.

Jessamyn 36:20 I don't I can't even know about your watch. Just do not say anything about it again. I would like to retain them false memory I have of you before you had that thing. The worst case the worst. Did you guys

mathowie 36:34 see the Sizzler commercial? That's the most amazing thing.

Cortex 36:38 Watch that thing yet. Oh my God take five exists

mathowie 36:41 taken five minutes today. It is absolutely worth it. I will people said later. Oh, I don't know why this commercial exists. That's the greatest thing ever. And I was like, come on. And then I press play and 30 seconds later I was converted. Like it is.

Jessamyn 36:55 Well, I mean, think for me about this was that 1991 I was out of college by then. out of college and this was happening. Is that possible?

mathowie 37:06 Yeah. I guess I was in college. Yeah, I just started college. Yeah, man. You watch it he just go imagine the meeting. Imagine the meeting. Just imagine every scene you just go. How Why have imagined the meeting? was five minutes long. How was this a commercial? It just keeps going? It's like the most inspirational thing ever for sizzler

Jessamyn 37:28 and inspirational film. It was not.

mathowie 37:32 Yeah, it wasn't like an ad they put on TV but like Andy Bayer just said sizzler for President forever or so because it's just, you know, kissing Barry bears and pet and pup is in America. Like it's amazing.

Jessamyn 37:45 It's the most the fair sizzler was pretty great. Yeah, I loved

Cortex 37:50 it when I was I have no memories of like, I'm sure at some point. I went to

Jessamyn 37:55 vegetarians, Josh.

Cortex 37:56 No, we were. We were my parents definitely had some sort of hippie granola background, you know, which didn't come in a ton. In my childhood, you know, I mean, there was the care of a period.

Jessamyn 38:12 We all went through we

Cortex 38:14 Yeah, but uh, but you know, I think we just we ate kind of cheap was the thing for once a month, a lot of money and endless shrimp for 599. I'm just I'm just saying I'm sure we had a couple of like, you know, treat restaurants that we went to. I think like phos pizza was like the more likely thing. Sure.

mathowie 38:35 Now I hear you. But sizzler was like once a month. Nice.

Jessamyn 38:37 We went to the Chinese place for our like, fancy restaurant in my town. Like two towns over?

mathowie 38:45 I haven't been to a sizzler like 25 years. I would like if I look back on it now. It's probably fancy cafeteria food really? Like it's not great. But that was

Jessamyn 38:56 fine. I mean, the thing is, you never got like big steaks like that anywhere else. You know? Like, it's like steak house. no place else. So sizzler was the place that you could get steaks for not as much money. What was the other place like the Ground Round? Like we had another steak place in New England, but I can't remember what the heck it was.

mathowie 39:16 It was everywhere in the 80s

Jessamyn 39:18 like the salad bar, which was kind of new. It's hard to believe but

mathowie 39:24 I just heard the texas toast that crazy cheese butter bread that wasn't like real bread. It was just like styrofoam. It was like a Styrofoam carrier for butter. Like margarine, margarine, quick oil or something. As a kid, you're just like, Oh, wow.

Jessamyn 39:42 Well, this will actually tie in great to the post that I wanted to mention, which otherwise I wasn't going to mention because well, it's Jim again. But he did a thing on the hilltop Steakhouse, which was at one point in time, the served more people per year than like anyone else like a giant steak house that used to be kind of the front for like a ranch and everybody who grew up in Massachusetts knew about it because it had this huge cactus like a 60 foot tall cactus on the side of like route one, I think, which was a super busy road. And like a big cow out front, and they just demolished it this month, I guess. And so, the thread if you're not familiar with it, you probably don't really give a shit. But for the people who grew up in that area, everyone was like, Oh, that plays, et cetera. And Jim and I went for one of our first dates there. And you know, back when New England would have like a steakhouse place and it was giant like one of those huge kind of warehouse he places I mean, I think kind of what Outback Outback, I guess is the equivalent now. So they

mathowie 40:55 destroyed it. Yeah, they

Jessamyn 40:57 just took the whole

mathowie 40:58 website is completely four Oh, Ford and blank, which I think that's commitment to theme. If you're going to destroy a building, take down the site as well. But the site is up, but it's just not serving up anything. That's amazing,

Jessamyn 41:12 right, that they still own the domain. And there's no, nobody. Nobody gets it.

mathowie 41:17 Building goes down, website goes down. That's

Jessamyn 41:21 like look at the sign. And imagine that somewhere in Massachusetts, you know, it was digifree to family. And that was there a place that they sold steaks.

Cortex 41:32 That was a great, great restaurant

mathowie 41:33 site that is so foreign to Massachusetts.

Jessamyn 41:37 Yes, exactly. And the place was just a giant, local favorite block. So Jim made this post and I thought it was really nice, and I wasn't gonna mention it. But you were talking about steak. So there you go. Steak.

Cortex 41:54 I have so much stuff for Metafilter this month.

Jessamyn 41:56 I only have a couple actually, I have more from AskMe Metafilter.

Cortex 42:00 This will be a real Jack sprat situation that didn't work out. Well. Are you calling me fat? No. I don't think I don't think that poem even suggests anything about the specific

Jessamyn 42:12 tragedy, no fat his wife could eat no lean. So like, He's skinny. She's fat. They live in a pumpkin.

Cortex 42:18 I don't know if that's I don't know if that's true, though. Because maybe he can't eat fat because he processed it very poorly metabolically and he is fat. So he he's stuck eating only lean to try and control his weight. Whereas

Jessamyn 42:30 right now I'm not. Right now and admit to me that you haven't done any research. You're just digging

Cortex 42:37 a hole. I'm just saying I think we can get away from the the problematic assumptions of classical body shaping and reclaim this nursery rhyme. Using modern, you know, nutritional science.

Jessamyn 42:51 I'm saying a word doesn't mean what you want it to mean, just because you said that's what it means. But it

Cortex 42:56 says Jack sprat could eat no fat. Now and the picture

Jessamyn 42:59 of him is like the skinny little beanpole of a guy but the ladies, they're sticking butter in her mouth. Well, and

Cortex 43:05 the picture is drawn by you know someone who's a jerk. That's I'm just saying I think I think we can rewrite history here. I think we can I think we can say Jack just

Jessamyn 43:12 like a white guy, just as a white guy to say

Cortex 43:18 I'm acknowledging the problematic bias in the classroom, and trying to you know, allow free playmate assessment. Yeah, I'm saying, Let's not buy into the jack sprat on normative dialogue that says that the man must, you know, of course be the more nutritionally sensible person. I think he's definitely

Jessamyn 43:38 nutritionally sensitive. I'm saying they're both kind of messed up, but she's the big one.

Cortex 43:42 Oh, sure. I'm just saying, you know, it could be reading just the text of the poem. Let's look at let's look at the text rather,

mathowie 43:50 what about the words are not saying

Cortex 43:54 I think we asked ourselves, why do we read what we read between the lines and why do we perpetuate this this problematic body shaming dynamic with

Jessamyn 44:03 this poem to start with? Let's say it's an English Language Nursery Rhyme.

Cortex 44:14 Anyway, what I was trying to get at is,

Jessamyn 44:17 it was used with people of small stature in the 16th century. It was a proverb from at least the mid 17th century.

Cortex 44:26 The whole nursery rhyme

Jessamyn 44:28 ah, Jack will not eat fat and Jewel Duflot no lien that bitwixe them both they lick the dishes clean. Then it was in Mother Goose is Melody around 1765 may have been adopted for use with children much earlier. I'm talking I'm

Cortex 44:44 sticking with my theory. I'll try it.

mathowie 44:46 Good luck with that. segue to metaphor I

Cortex 44:50 don't even remember. I liked this post. About a little orbital dynamics toy. I don't even know what It's called, it's just I guess it's called gravity. It's on somebody's website, that's a little thing where you can click and drag to cause planetary bodies to start flying around in space. And then they operate on each other gravitationally. Also, this needs flash. So if you're checking it out on your phone, you're sorry. Ah, but it's just a nice little thing you know, it's a it's a really simple there's no real news. You can't set up anything complicated just sort of to you know, you're trying to get a bunch of things rolling around and just with a flick of the mouse, but it's a it was a fun little fun little toy, some of the play with during a boring meeting, you know, it's quiet. It doesn't require a whole lot of fiddling

mathowie 45:39 sizes, the,

Cortex 45:41 but another weird web toy. And this gets more into the internet ruins things. There's this wonderful things know, the mountains of madness.

Jessamyn 45:52 I don't understand. Okay, what

Cortex 45:53 it is, it's just, it's a 3d model of a couple of mountains over a little town. And the mountains have mouths and they talk and what they say in their big speech synthesis. Booming voices, is whatever people tweet that contains like the hashtag mountainous or Oh, God says to atmo madness not going? Yeah, and it's tricky, because like, a lot of the time is just totally fine. But then, if some fucking 14 year olds show up, then you get a problem. And you know, you can read through the thread and sort of get a good idea of how that goes. It's one of those things where like, I want to recommend this thing, because I love it. But I also feel like I need to say also terrible idiots and racist, and morons are going to be there saying shit, you don't want to hear maybe, maybe not, maybe it'd be great if that whole or whatever it is that that that rocket dynamics thing where people were doing a multiplayer, flying orbits around a planet and crashing into each other and trying to avoid asteroids. Like that was the same thing. I love that game. It's a wonderful game, but it lets people put in any text they want for their name. And so people would put in terrible fucking shit as their username. And like they couldn't even do anything else about it. They just like flying around, like with the N word attached to their, you know, spaceship, and it's like, why would you do that? But it's the internet. So of course, because so it's really what I think I I strongly want people see mountains of mountains, because I think it's delightful. But it's an object lesson that unless you are going to put some sort of active moderation between live tweets, and the stuff your little toy says. People are going to make it say terrible things. And unless you would actually have 24/7 to dedicate to human moderation of tweets. How do you solve that problem? You know,

Jessamyn 47:40 I think the answer is you don't Yep, pretty much you get all Caveat emptor on on them. Yep.

Cortex 47:47 Which is a sucky it's a sucky position have to be it. Because I mean,

mathowie 47:50 internet. Yeah. Oh, happier note. There's a crazy Japanese cat game that people love.

Jessamyn 47:57 Thank God, you linked it to me. I've just seeing pictures everywhere. And I couldn't even figure out what the hell the name of it was. And it's been making me crazy. Thank you, man. Yes, you solved the problem.

Cortex 48:08 Yeah, so me, I think is the name of it.

mathowie 48:10 Yeah. And you, you search for the second word, it gets to the app store to get it. It's funny, because Yeah, it's funny. My daughter goes to a weird Japanese school, where they've been playing this for like a month or two. And like, it's all the rage. And the upper class kids can read all the stuff. And she can barely make out a few of the characters. But then somehow it became internet meme ish, because it's so

Cortex 48:33 big enough people. Yeah, enough people like it as hell, a screenshot. It's

mathowie 48:38 amazing looking. And like, everyone's like, I want part of that. And then suddenly, it's funny that hit metal filter. And there's like 230 comments, I know that everyone got sucked in. And

Cortex 48:48 I've got that thread bookmarked for when I have the day to sit down and learn how to play the game and read through people's stuff. Because that's the thing. Like for a while, you had to like sort of hack to get it because it wasn't even available on us app stores. And then it became available, but it's still just like the Japanese language app. You know, it's like it's all in Japanese. So if you don't happen to be able to read Japanese,

Jessamyn 49:09 find a blog that tells you how to

Cortex 49:13 exactly yeah. So

mathowie 49:15 yeah, so which, you know,

Cortex 49:17 it's funny because this is something that in the video game community is not an unusual situation. There's lots of games that get released in foreign languages that never get ported. And you know, if it's a big enough game, there might be some sort of fan hack that that some will actually translate all the stuff but generally speaking, you may just have to if you want to play this neat game that never got a US release or a Western release. You may just have to learn how to play it while not having any idea what anything says that just remind us by rote and stuff

mathowie 49:44 that remind me I bought a dream cast like way after it was done when Dreamcast security had been completely obliterated, like 2003 or four people had figured out the like, mid to late 90s Dreamcast, basically how to like, fit an entire game on the CD RT always worked perfectly. And I downloaded from Usenet and got to run because it was crazy bonkers. And I tried to play it and I couldn't even figure out the UI, but it was Japanese Train Simulator. And all you do is run a train a commuter train, you have to be like within a second to get, like 100 points. And if you're like eight seconds late, you're dead. Like it was amazing.

Jessamyn 50:24 And it just works look like on the Japanese Train Simulator just

mathowie 50:27 got fired. And there was over your time was, I mean, you had to be perfect. I mean, it was just like Japanese trains, which apparently are insanely accurate and on time was wacky. But yeah, this game is everywhere, I think because the cute screenshots and well, and

Jessamyn 50:42 I saw somebody who I think it was on milkshake who had basically done like little sketches, so they weren't cartoony. They were like, watercolors style drawings from the game. And so so and so it was, I mean, this happens to me all the time, like I'm on milkshake, and somebody has a picture of a thing. And they're like, I really want to figure out where that thing comes from. And then you go trying to track it down. And then suddenly you learn much more about the thing. And then suddenly, you're a small scale expert on the thing just because you had to google figuring it out like that guy who was writing a pig around. I figured that all out

Cortex 51:23 that I haven't seen the guy writing a pig, that is

mathowie 51:27 a game to scroll through milkshake and go, What meme is this attached to? And

Jessamyn 51:32 sometimes I learned new memes, which is helpful because I'm not very plugged in otherwise to anything, as you know. And sometimes people don't know. And they're like, We just think it's a funny guy riding a pig. And then you get to be like, Oh, actually, that's what's his butt. And he has a special zoo, or had a special Zoo. I'll find the special zoo for you, Josh.

Cortex 51:52 Excellent. Yeah, no, I was I was just looking at something I didn't understand. This is a terrible story. I can't remember the thing that I didn't recognize until I saw it somewhere. I learned about it on the internet, the story of the internet

Jessamyn 52:08 don't even know words. I know all those individual words. I'm not sure what you're saying,

Cortex 52:12 hey, there's a guy on a pig. I don't know what I'm saying either. I think it's not just a

Jessamyn 52:16 guy on a pig. But if you click the thing, you get to see a video of all sorts of crazy dudes writing all sorts of crazy animals. like zebras and ostriches all these like funny white guys riding these animals in his funny old Zoo. So people are like, Oh, this one picture hilarious. Like, no, no, no, we've got video.

Cortex 52:36 Nice. So check that out. You should, I will. There was a there was a nice post about Silent Hill. The video game series that I personally am a big fan of even though the franchise has been treated sort of terribly over time, but it's a nice to nice write up by an article by Lee Alexander that RW posted. Just sort of talking about the game and what was good and interesting and important about it. And to some extent and bemoaning how badly it's been treated since then because there was there was recently treated

Jessamyn 53:15 so bad like what's wrong with it? I come at this from knowing nothing about it. But more is read this

Cortex 53:21 it's a game series that it's a survival horror game series, which is this very specific kind of there's not enough ammo, there's not enough health and you really can't be Rambo sort of take

Jessamyn 53:31 on you just go shooting everybody, you've got to conserve everything and be any.

Cortex 53:34 Basically you need to run from things you need to shoot carefully. You have to be scarce. So it's a sort of, and Resident Evils was the game that kicked off this whole thing in the sort of the modern era back when that first came out for the PlayStation. So Silent Hill was kind of like that, but a little bit more moody and a little bit more creepy and internal and Silent Hill two in particular was this wonderful game where they made a sequel to a game about dealing with a crazy cold in a mysterious town and made it all about some guy actually just straight up struggling with processing his guilt and resentments and shame and anger over the process of his wife slowly dying of a deleterious disease and the damage that did to their marriage and him struggling with infidelity. Basically it they went and made a super duper adult literary contemplation on the nature of the human condition in a game that also just happened to be about wandering around a ghost town and shooting it strange inhuman monsters are saying okay, and it's a really great game and then they made Silent Hill three which was sort of back to the halo talk about the weird cult in this town and summoning a demon stuff. And I think it was after Silent Hill two that the original core team left and Silent Hill three was still pretty good, but it sort of was more of the same and then it just has wandered from there because they own this property that still exists. Yeah, it's like it's kind of a you know, George Lucas new Prequel Trilogy sort of situation where, you know, they've still got the IP, there's still a ton of people who care a great deal about it. But just because you stick, you know, a lightsaber, and it doesn't make it actually a good Star Wars movie, sort of the same thing happened with a franchise and then recently there was a big, Silent Hill's was going to be this new game made by Hideo Kojima, who is the guy who did the Metal Gear series, which is a big complicated pile of video game history. But anyway, a big name, big name, known for doing crazy. And he was going to be working with Guillermo del Toro. Which was a really exciting idea for Simon hill because it's got a bunch of interesting, it's got a history of really interesting creative creepy monsters. And Del Toro obviously could do that. So So yeah, and then that got cancelled. Not happening because they realized it would cost them a billion dollars and it would never come out. So everybody's kind of sad about that but also kind of relieved because like no one really thought it would happen because Silent Hills been treated so badly. And that's, that's that's spawned a bunch of sort of think pieces about Silent Hill in the last week or so. And Leigh Leigh Leigh, I don't know how she says her name, Lee Alexander says, she writes basically about it. And then there's a nice discussion, this thread and I wrote, like, I don't know probably 1600 fucking words and a couple. I'm a giant nerd about it. But anyways, it was a nice read. It gives some nice background on series that I don't think has sort of Mario level visibility and pop culture but is a really, really neat artifact of, of game history. Three

Jessamyn 56:34 very nice. I enjoyed only because it's short and pandering and indeed more favorites than comments by a factor of five. Scott Bonner, who's the librarian at Ferguson wrote a little thing for Reading Rainbow on the real purpose of libraries, and it's nice and everyone should read it. And I mentioned it because he's coming to the Vermont Library Association Conference. He's our keynote speaker so I'm really looking forward to getting to to meet him in a couple weeks actually. Good Lord that's coming up already I'm in some big trouble

Cortex 57:15 time is really kind of flying by lately but it's a really good

Jessamyn 57:18 post and there's you know, a couple people who comment in it but I just wanted to point it out box made it and he's Yeah, my my library and metal filter.

Cortex 57:27 That is neat. It is the weird thing. I'm just gonna put this out there for people who like that sort of thing and not even getting into discussion of it. There was a nice post of an odd thing like this is a very this is this is the internet sort of post sparkle motion made opposed to a blog

Jessamyn 57:46 that's understand any of it yes, it's

Cortex 57:48 it's it's a thing where gold who caught who was one of the big bads from Star Trek Deep Space Nine, he was a Kardashian, essentially, sort of a Kardashian war criminal Nazi type. But remained a character throughout the show. Someone wrote a bunch of new dialogue for him as if he was defending brony ism. And it's such a weird combination. And it's like,

Jessamyn 58:14 know what brony ism actually is to be branded? It's got to do with the

Cortex 58:18 fuck are you like, like, yeah, like, like male fans of My Little Pony. And the thing is, it's weird because like, it's, it's fundamentally kind of like a mean thing here, because it's sort of jumping from hey, let's take it as a given for the purpose of this comic that we don't think that you know, defenses of brony ism as some highfalutin thing are credible. But what it was gold card, specifically, who was talking about how my little pony culture and brony culture is, you know, a big meaningful thing and it so if you know both of those things, it creates this really weird entertaining tension between these completely unrelated bits of fandom. And if you don't know those things, it probably makes no sense at all. And

Jessamyn 59:00 I can't even get through the post. Yeah, reading it from start to finish. I appreciate that. You've explained it because now I know slightly more about the world. It makes me think of this like stand up comedians, bit that he does. I don't know if you've read this

Cortex 59:16 look, you can look into it. I have a level 85 Dwarven Paladin and 82 Shadow Priests. I'm currently leveling a warrior through North rend. Although I spend most of my time tanking instances in the dungeon finder, I've held off getting Mr. Pandaria because I burned out on endgame progression after Wrath of the Lich King and the cataclysm content is still new to me. Plus monk seamer done in an era of dual specialization and viable hybrid DPS. And while I know they're well established in the lore panda and don't appeal to me, so I'm wrapping up a Tonka quest line the Berean tundra, trying to determine if I should go to Dragonblight or grizzly hills and now you know how I feel when he won't shut up about sports.

Jessamyn 59:56 Every time

Cortex 59:58 that's a nice riff.

Jessamyn 59:59 I don't mean In a disdainful way, everybody's areas of special sensation are so weirdly interesting to me.

Cortex 1:00:07 Yeah. So if you don't have that specific content context, then yeah, it's like, exactly. Oh, also with that with that the goldenrod post a more accessible thing that came out of it that I'm excited about. Is that led to us starting up a Deep Space Nine rewatch on fanfare. Hey, terrific. So if you're, if you're interested in rewatching, Deep Space Nine, or interested in watching it for the first time, and don't mind discussion of future stuff, because, you know, it's an old show, and there's a lot of interesting themes. So

Jessamyn 1:00:37 the decision was gonna be like, well, this is coming up. Yeah,

Cortex 1:00:40 it's not really it's not really a show, you're gonna get spoiled for like, there's no big Oh, that ruins my enjoyment of this to know this feature plot thing. But ya know, Deep Space Nine is really interesting. Star Trek franchise. And so if you're interested, check out fanfare. We're talking about it. It's neat.

Jessamyn 1:00:54 I've gotta get back to fanfare I always kind of remember it after I've watched a thing. And I'm like, Oh, I wonder what metal filter thinks about this. And I should be a little bit more on top of it as we go through like, Jim and I just finished the first season of Last Man on Earth, which is Will Forte's Dumb, dumb TV show. But it ends with this funny ending for the first season. And I was like, oh, I want to talk to this, about this to more people than just Jim. Because we're like, wonder what that means. No, yeah, no.

Cortex 1:01:24 I always get back later and read after the fact that I

Jessamyn 1:01:28 know I just haven't looked at what I'm saying. We just finished yesterday.

mathowie 1:01:31 Oh, yeah. There it is. Cool. Sweet. I had the exact same moment. Everything you guys said when I was catching up on what Derrick Cole saw, and I held off on the finale for a couple of weeks, and they finally got back from New York. And I watched the last two episodes back to back at the end. I'm not spoiling anything, like just stuff at the ends weird and I sweat. What was that mean? What? And then I go to fanfare and boom, there's like 400 comments of people going like, the first 50 are like, wow, what just happened? And then like whole bunch people breaking down every scene and why it happened and how brilliant it was and how it's this like meta thing that was hinted at, and you should have seen it for episode after episode and I was like, holy shit. This is awesome. Yeah, it was good.

Cortex 1:02:19 There was a monthly thing that Neil Sisir ageia did on the internet. Automatic cabinet posted collection of 90 scholastic paperbacks that he's been doing this weird thing where he just replaces the title and description text on these with like, weird, bizarre sort of insults. And there's not much else to say

Jessamyn 1:02:41 name we can't pronounce. Yes, maybe he's not funny.

Cortex 1:02:45 This one's weirder. Like mouth sounds his mashups I feel like you can sort of Oh, I get it he's fucking around with Smash Mouth was more like

Jessamyn 1:02:52 egged fuck off books. Wow, that's

Cortex 1:02:56 that's the serious title of his Wow, fuck off books.

Jessamyn 1:03:00 I was wondering why he's wound up on milkshake. Yeah.

Cortex 1:03:04 It's just like, this people like this guy. And

Jessamyn 1:03:09 like, you're just hanging on to the cliff edge of understanding the world of the internet by your fingertips. Yeah, like, is it just me,

Cortex 1:03:18 I have times like that. And I try and I try and avoid that. So I sometimes I will actually cram a little bit on the internet. If I'm starting to be like, I really don't know what's going on at all with this. I'll actually sit down and try and do a little research. Like I want to sort of know the same reason I listened to you know, pop radio in the car is like, I don't want

Jessamyn 1:03:36 you in the car. That is Yeah. And because if I don't know things for trivia, you know, people who listen to last. Yeah, it seems like a lie. They rely on me. Yeah. And, you know, I just learned about the whole do it for the Vine meme, which I enjoyed very much would not have otherwise known anything about it. Cash man, cash, man or mash can as he's called on milkshake. Important memes Wow, do it for the vine. Now. I won't do it. Do it for the vine. No, I won't do it. Do it for the VI No, no, no, it's actually super funny. But it you know, find this not a thing where I am. So how would I know?

Cortex 1:04:21 I yeah, I

Jessamyn 1:04:22 think save that for later.

Cortex 1:04:24 Yeah. I need to dig in to find more. I watched a bunch of vine stuff a few weeks ago and

Jessamyn 1:04:30 I see stuff on it and that's hilarious. But you know, I didn't understand the thing although you know, I'm slowly understanding Instagram and

Cortex 1:04:39 that was one of my favorite things about your the man now it's actually faster for me to say the full phrase than to say the actual initialism because I have to think through it.

Jessamyn 1:04:51 Why TM Andy? Yeah, yeah. But I would

Cortex 1:04:54 check in on that like once every, like six months, and I was always such a weird, complicated had rolling like, internal meme fest that like the process of reading it, you know, going through like 20 posts after six months away.

Jessamyn 1:05:09 And it was, like 4chan Most of the time it was yeah, it usually wasn't

Cortex 1:05:13 terrible. I mean it, there was a certain amount of 14 year old ism in there. But usually it was more like, let's try and run with this funny meme rather than let's try and take a shit on everything. Right. And I love sort of unpacking how we've gotten to this point where JORDY was lifting his visor while dancing in a disco. And this is right, right. This is this is something that had existed before. Yeah, but But what exactly so sort of doing the forensics on it?

Jessamyn 1:05:40 Good. Well, I'm glad it's not just me because I you know, I go away and then I come back and I'm like, how the hell this should change while I was away, don't go away. Maybe no one goes away.

Cortex 1:05:51 I'm gonna I'm gonna straight up mentioned my own posts. Not because I'm super proud of anything, but just because it didn't get a whole lot of eyeballs on it. And I feel like this. This thing I linked to deserves a ton of eyeballs.

Jessamyn 1:06:02 I know you got six favorites and then you got eight comments. Yeah, but I feel like this should have exploded maybe seven comments. Oh, in three of them are by October surprise. Yeah. Anything wrong with that?

mathowie 1:06:13 thing? I'm a jig symphony

Cortex 1:06:15 that I should have. I could have sold it better as a thing. I just like doing as a here's the thing on the internet boom. But stickers on the jigs are single jigs are these weird little toys where you squeeze them in, they make like musical noises. And and this woman has acquired several of them and figured out how to arrange a carefully edited series of them taking notes to create full on polyphonic arrangements of a couple of songs and it's just

Jessamyn 1:06:44 listening to you say this over them saying journeys OPEN ARMS has just made my whole week.

Cortex 1:06:50 It's the single magics are weird. The cinematic symphony is wonderful. There's an interview Tom Blount, aka Mephiles owner, former owner dermatosis I can't remember exactly what his meta filter account status at this point. But anyway, he he did an interview with her that I still need to read through it. I'll add that to the thread while it's still open. Just about the process of how this came together. But yeah, it's also

Jessamyn 1:07:17 she's wearing a journey t shirt as she plays this

Cortex 1:07:21 off as you should as you should.

mathowie 1:07:26 So if you're like a music nerd and you just hear a toy and you go oh, that's whatever F flat or E what? I don't know. I'm not a music teacher.

Cortex 1:07:37 This one note when I squeezed it. Fun is hustle. Yeah. So it's a crazy, crazy ambitious sort of thing. Like,

Jessamyn 1:07:44 there is an entire set of movies of the cinema jig singing the things which is I think what your original

mathowie 1:07:52 Toy in my life is it from?

Jessamyn 1:07:54 I have never seen 110

Cortex 1:07:55 I had never heard of it either.

mathowie 1:07:58 Yeah, that's why I've never heard of it.

Cortex 1:08:01 And yeah, it's just it's it's crazy, but it's kind of wonderful.

Jessamyn 1:08:06 There were a couple Oh, my God Fisher Price made them remember Fisher Price. The people that used to make awesome toys, and then they made all these shitty toys.

Cortex 1:08:15 Yep, I

Jessamyn 1:08:17 sing a song.

Cortex 1:08:18 You got it. We've got a couple different. A couple different so they don't

Jessamyn 1:08:22 sing just a note. They each sing songs. And so she's chopping them all up in the songs. Exactly.

Cortex 1:08:28 So I did a song where you're gonna sing these two notes in a row that I can squeeze along with this other one to create the right, you know, dual harmony move along with that other guy who's singing bass. Yeah, it's crazy. It's really wonderful. It's a wonderful, it's

Jessamyn 1:08:42 even more complicated than you think. Yeah,

Cortex 1:08:44 I immediately was like, God, damn, I wish I thought to do that. And then I thought I'm glad I didn't because that was probably a ton of work. And instead, I can just listen to it like That's awesome.

Jessamyn 1:08:54 Speaking of URLs, the URL for sigma digs just redirects right to Fisher Price.

Cortex 1:08:59 Yeah. Go figure. A couple of interesting not exactly fun meta filter threads but but interesting things

Jessamyn 1:09:09 on the website.

Cortex 1:09:12 Yeah, it's nothing weird. Yeah,

Jessamyn 1:09:15 sorry. We can't find a match for single magic. Oh, there was

Cortex 1:09:19 a there was a post and I was kind of wondering when this would become a thing. Like, like, rather than this there was a post about Bruce Jenner's interview coming out as trans woman which was I'm glad I basically that that happened as an actual interview because I've been seeing like, you know, weird shitty stuff on tabloids, you know, at the supermarket and every time I go and buy groceries I'm like, Oh, this is being handled super fucking terribly by the tabloid maybe because of course it is. So yeah,

Jessamyn 1:09:51 well, because the whole Kardashian universe was already being handled. And so this winds up getting handled that same way. Central sensitivity it deserved

Cortex 1:10:01 Exactly. But the threat is pretty good.

mathowie 1:10:03 Complicated. Interview is really good. Yeah, the TV. Yeah. Everyone said that was amazing. I haven't watched it. Yeah, I

Cortex 1:10:10 talked to Diane Sawyer I think. And yeah, so so it was, it was nice to see it was nice to see a discussion of it basically on metal filter. Because at this point, like I actually expected discussion of trans stuff to go reasonably well on metal filter.

Jessamyn 1:10:25 Post was made by Fizz, which is not a foregone conclusion.

Cortex 1:10:31 There was also that interesting thing you can see right at the beginning of a thread, you know, someone correcting he or she, and then folks pointing out that no, actually at the moment, Bruce is still saying I, you know, I prefer male pronouns. So it's like that weird sort of, like comp, combination of trying to be sensitive to known issues. And then the reminder that oh, this is actually this is something that goes differently for different people and

Jessamyn 1:10:53 that you want to be sensitive in general, but in this specific thing, like with everybody, you know, it's best to ask them if they've expressed a preference. And Bruce said, use male pronouns by now. Yeah.

Cortex 1:11:05 So that was that was that was interesting. And it was nice to see a non tabloid discussion that basically, there was a gigantic thread over like, literally the last month that's been going on, about the Hugo's, because there was this big

Jessamyn 1:11:20 this situation is such bullshit. I don't even want to fight with people about on the internet, but Oh, my God,

mathowie 1:11:29 they wouldn't defend it on metal filter, like, worst situation ever?

Cortex 1:11:34 Yeah, no, it's been it's been complicated, because people have been trying to figure out how you deal with the idea of voting blocks how you deal with the voting system that's vulnerable to manipulation, how you deal with the idea of ideology of forming

Jessamyn 1:11:47 nerds

mathowie 1:11:51 to like,

Jessamyn 1:11:53 Gamergate, in the same way, it's just that same stupid fool. people different from me are getting too much attention. It's that privilege reaction thing,

mathowie 1:12:05 actually shut them down to like, oh, well,

Jessamyn 1:12:09 they got together and decided, I mean, this is why that we have so many conservative reps in the House of Representatives, right? It's because those people can put aside their differences and vote as a bloc against diversity like assholes. Whereas I think for people who really believe in the process, you know, you really want to debate Hillary versus Bernie, you know, and not just be like, right, Ted Cruz, he's not perfect. But that's kind of what this sad puppy thing is about is my understanding. I only read Scalzi on this, because he's the only person I trust at all.

Cortex 1:12:41 Ya know, it's a big, it's just kind of a big mess. And it's an interesting read if you're into sort of like the politics of science fiction. But it's also yet a lot of it's just sort of frustrating, because there's a fundamental notion that people figured out how to stop fucked something up badly enough that nobody's really sure exactly how this is gonna be fixed in the long run. Or,

Jessamyn 1:13:04 theoretically, it's just kind of a small club. And yet, you know, the winner of the Hugo Awards, I mean, that's a big deal. Like it's the Sci Fi Caldicott, or whatever. So on the one hand, hey, it's these people in their little club, let them work it out, however, and on the other hand, it has a huge amount of influence on the world of reading and what libraries buy and whatever it's like having a book selected for Oprah. It's a life changing thing in a lot of ways. Yeah.

Cortex 1:13:31 tension there when you Yeah,

mathowie 1:13:33 it's the most important award and sci fi and imagine a bank of white dudes say, Nope, we're gonna decide who wins it from now on, and it's horrible in their wedding. Yep, man.

Jessamyn 1:13:49 Well, it's hard. Yeah. It's it's challenging to figure out how to redo it, and I'm not versed on it. And this might be a good place to start if the weather gets terrible, and I need to stay inside and read. doesn't look likely, but just in case,

Cortex 1:14:03 just in a snowstorm.

Jessamyn 1:14:07 Oh, no. Anyway, that was sorry. Sorry, I

Cortex 1:14:11 was gonna say that's all I had for Metafilter.

Jessamyn 1:14:14 I had one more which was another one of those giant, more favorite than comments, significantly more favorites and comments, three comments 19 favorites. But it was basically about a blind architect and talking about how how you design spaces for visually disabled people and it's a really interesting article from curbed on a San Francisco architect who is blind and number one, how you work as an architect if you're blind, what works for you and whatever. And this guy used to use like, this one thing to like, lay out stuff with these little plastic nonsense things. They stopped making the black thick nonsense things are the embossing printer. And now he started hoarding them because there's no other way to get them because there's no guarantee that you'll be able to sort of get the stuff you want. At any rate, life is supplying architect and what kind of spaces that are also good for blind people do architects design fascinating, really interesting didn't know anything about it. Post was by Le POA. And I just really enjoyed it.

Cortex 1:15:25 Nice. Yeah. That's neat. Yeah, cuz

Jessamyn 1:15:27 accessibility is interesting, right? Because a lot of places don't build it in just because they don't think about it. I mean, it speaks to the diversity issue generally. Like if you have more people in your group, they can tell you

Cortex 1:15:40 if you'll forgive.

Jessamyn 1:15:43 I won't say you're sorry. All right. I didn't plan that cheap. Last expense of the blind. Not cool.

Cortex 1:15:51 No, no, I'm half offended. I'm scowling at myself for not even thinking of before.

Jessamyn 1:15:59 Well, and that was actually what the Senate live discussion on fanfare wound up being a lot about is that they kind of made a non joke joke about Bruce Jenner during the news segment. Oh, yeah. Basically, they put up the thing on Bruce Jenner was like Bruce Jenner transitioned to being a woman, and then he just kind of stared at the camera. Like, we know we should make a joke about

mathowie 1:16:19 it. But we're not. And we respect that in

Jessamyn 1:16:23 itself is kind of a joke, because it's those guys. Yeah, awkward.

mathowie 1:16:29 I thought it was better than a stupid flip joke. But yeah,

Jessamyn 1:16:32 I thought it was the best they could have done given the circumstances. I mean, remember when the daily show came back after 911? Like, you know, it's your job to kind of make the people laugh? Well, that's kind of a different thing. Because it's a tragedy, as opposed to one person's sort of personal stuff. I just complicated. Yeah, I did not think it was terrible. But the disability issue a lot of times just has to do with taking more people's perspectives into account. And, you know, making things that aren't worse for other people.

mathowie 1:17:03 Yeah, my favorite thing about working at UCLA is we had a blind web developer that worked in the accessibility group. And you had to show your stuff to Patrick at some point, and be like, he knew you're gonna get eviscerated. Because he would just be like, the following things do not function. And it's like, I can't use them. 80% of your site doesn't work on the screen reader. And if you wanted to, you could go to his office and like, shoulder surfing to see what it's like. He has his like, audio. People are in the screen readers listen to them all day. So they get used to like triple speed. It's so they don't really fast. Yeah, it's amazing because they're trying to scan text, like the way we scan a webpage. They do it that fast. And it's just, I mean, it sounds like faster than any auctioneer you've ever heard. And they're totally like, Well, this sounds good. But this doesn't work. This doesn't work JavaScript, disabled, this, this and this. It was good. And then after a couple sessions with him, like you just started to think about it before you ever submitted anything.

Jessamyn 1:18:05 Your website, which may look the same to 75% of everybody now works for you know, 10% of everybody for whom it didn't work before at all. How cool is that?

Cortex 1:18:37 That's better filter. What do you got?

Jessamyn 1:18:42 How can I find this burrito t shirt?

Cortex 1:18:47 is a good question.

Jessamyn 1:18:49 Basically, someone walking around Cambridge with a shirt that looked like it had the Harvard seal incepted set of saying very toss it said burry toes, no. And then it turns out,

mathowie 1:19:02 if they found

Jessamyn 1:19:04 Felipe's talk Korea sold it for a year between 2005 and 2006. And where they were, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you used to be able to get the guy at the counter to sell you one, but they're probably gone flat. And then

Cortex 1:19:21 that is that is both disappointing and awesome. To know.

mathowie 1:19:24 This is a service. This is so hard I've seen. I once saw I think a Coca Cola logo that said Minnesota instead of Coca Cola in the script font and I tried for a month to find it online. And that didn't exist. Shazam

Cortex 1:19:39 for IP being Teesha Yeah,

mathowie 1:19:43 he was always a Content ID. Content. Id would shut down every skateboard company making the shirts like we're sorry, this looks like Coca Cola. But yeah, dang, that'd be

Cortex 1:19:53 if there was a way to get like a feed of DMCA shutdowns on content. That'd be like the best part. Simple way to keep track of awesome parodies of stuff. Like just like, what's been shut down this week. This is awesome. This is awesome. This is awesome.

Jessamyn 1:20:08 Well, um, this kind of stuff only works if you can crowdsource it on a ton of people. I mean, like, we have a thing, like we have a store up the road, which has a radio jingle that they use for 20 years. And somebody was like, I need a copy of that radio jingle and like how it's impossible like how do you do that? Somebody's got to have a cassette tape of the radio or you've got to know someone who works at the place, etc, etc, etc.

mathowie 1:20:34 No, it's kind of amazing I found extinct is so they're just making old logo T shirts for companies or whatever business but who's gonna stop? Who's gonna sue them like gwala doesn't exist anymore. T shirt. These are all dead.

Jessamyn 1:20:52 Secret is hardly dead secret. But he just stopped and he made the announcement in the last

mathowie 1:21:00 I think you know shark is like two weeks stopped like it's

Jessamyn 1:21:04 still around. I

mathowie 1:21:05 know. That's also that's the original.

Jessamyn 1:21:08 That's like a bad joke. Right? Yeah. MySpace still exists sort of formed spray. Formspring isn't Yeah,

mathowie 1:21:14 that was that was definitely still around. I know that's the original

Cortex 1:21:19 still shows up every day works nine to five.

mathowie 1:21:24 Colors still around, or they implode. They were famous. I don't even know what color ever was. It was like an iOS app that got like $50 million. And basically, I don't think it ever existed. Or

Jessamyn 1:21:35 are people mad that their money just goes out the window paying 28 year olds to like fuck around and give out free pairs of socks.

mathowie 1:21:42 No, somebody had like a funny way to look at it, that it was like taking money from these rich assholes or billionaires who don't care. They're just betting the table. They're betting every single thing they ever hear about for the one in 10 success stories or one and 100. And that money is basically given to people at a lower rate. And they're

Jessamyn 1:22:06 like they were ever gonna give the money to the libraries what you're saying,

mathowie 1:22:09 right? Yeah, that like when you there's all these like Cosmo things popping up? Was it called Postmates. It's now in Portland. It'll deliver food from any restaurant to you and headphones and ice cream just like Cosmo did. Remember Cosmo, and it cost $5 which isn't what it costs to send someone in a car to your house holding all these things. It's because they're burning old people's money who don't care about whether it's crazy. It's a weird, it's a weird world.

Jessamyn 1:22:40 It is a weird world. I'm glad at least Yeah, that it seems weird to other people who are inside it. Because the more time I spend talking to the people at medium the more I'm like, I don't understand. You're just like restructuring. It's like everybody's playing office. But they're not. But they don't have to run a real office. You know what I mean? So it's very confusing. They'll be there. We spent money I think you saw like getting everybody headshots. And mine looks like a lizard. Oh, I didn't see that weird. And they put I'll send you a link to it. They put a necklace on me.

mathowie 1:23:12 Photoshop?

Cortex 1:23:14 Oh, no, no, it's like a drawing.

Jessamyn 1:23:16 They made a drying out of a headshot of me and put a necklace on me. Like, for some reason. Everybody wasn't incensed about this. And I was just going to kill somebody.

Cortex 1:23:27 Well, that's that's what ladies do. Right? You know, they like their jewelry. And so you know, if they don't have a reference photo, it's just they probably forgot, you know, they were

Jessamyn 1:23:36 super weird. Yeah, it's a little weird, right. And I thought it was just like somebody's brother, you know, and like, they were trying to flip him $10,000 To draw pictures of us. But it's actually like a guy that you've heard of. He just kind of did a bad job. Or, or I'm ugly. Like, I cannot figure out.

Cortex 1:23:55 It comes off basically, it's just sort of weirdly impersonal. And you know, it's like,

Jessamyn 1:23:58 your comment was my favorite Josh. Yeah.

Cortex 1:24:04 I don't know. It's weird. I like if I saw that, and that had been drawn by like your 14 year old cousin. I would have been so proud. Like, well, you know, I mean, but your drawings really coming along. You know, let's not worry about whether or not all the details are there looks like no

mathowie 1:24:17 JS did this. Oh, okay. That's pretty. Thought made this. Oh,

Jessamyn 1:24:24 we're kind of getting far afield again. But, you know, the startup money thing is, like they just Yeah. And then like enough people were like, we actually hate these pictures of ourselves. They're like, Okay, we'll drop it for now. And then at some point that's probably going to show up as my headshot and I don't even get to make a decision about it, you know,

Cortex 1:24:42 Google Images forever. Yeah.

Jessamyn 1:24:45 Yeah. That is, that is my life. So I'm sorry. burritos, burritos. startup money. Let's move back to Metafilter. I do have many other things about Mefi.

mathowie 1:24:56 Bring it here is a good one. How many people know nailed something on the first try in doing a movie shot that was crazy. And there's a whole bunch of a zillion

Jessamyn 1:25:07 at all by dirt dirt, who has a kid named Milo he's part of the IV kidney Milo team on Metafilter.

mathowie 1:25:15 Cool. Yeah, the whole pizza on the roof and Breaking Bad was the first take and it worked. And they've also asked everyone in Albuquerque to stop throwing pizzas on this one roof. Go and buy an extra large pizza and throw it on this poor lady's roof Jesus to reenact but apparently,

Cortex 1:25:34 she should do she should just create like a pizza receptacle recession and a roof. So it turns into a pizza delivery system where she just gets a free pizza that slides right down into her kitchen instead of being stuck up on a roof.

Jessamyn 1:25:45 That's not a terrible idea. It's worse.

Cortex 1:25:48 I've had significantly more pain that I'm feeling pretty good about that. There's this

Jessamyn 1:25:52 turns into like a fun thread where people are like, check this out. Check this out. Check this out.

mathowie 1:25:58 Yeah, this guy from Hannibal does this thing where he flips it egg up and cuts it on a sharp edge in the air and he can do it every time and it's nuts.

Cortex 1:26:06 Mads Mikkelsen is like he's like a serious fucking like, you know, cooking enthusiast. I remember hearing about that, like when they cast Hannibal, they were expecting to, to need to, you know, hire a cooking double, essentially a stunt double for all the cooking stuff, you know, cutaways to a pair of hands that are plausibly his doing things. And then it just sort of turned out that no, the guy can cook. We can do full frame shots of him doing all this badass cooking stuff, because he can do it. Yeah, that's one of my favorite weird little details about that show. Which when is the next season of that? I am. I love that show. I love

Jessamyn 1:26:43 that. I had a friend who wrote for it for a while. I guess it's all half assed on the back end. The same friend who used to work right for madman, okay. Yeah, it's bad Mickelson and anything else? I don't want to watch Hannibal but I am impressed to stare at his face.

Cortex 1:26:58 He was one of the villains from or I think the main villain from Casino Royale the first

Jessamyn 1:27:05 batch where I've seen before. He's great. He's got a great weird look. I'm just I'm partway through House of Cards the last season now and I like that guy who plays the Russian president. They've got the same like my skin is pulled slightly too tightly over my face. Look.

mathowie 1:27:22 Justin, did you see this? Show me things on Netflix or Amazon streaming that are positive that aren't over the top violent.

Jessamyn 1:27:30 I don't have Amazon or Netflix. Well, like I

mathowie 1:27:33 was watching. Everyone's a daredevil so great. Daredevil is so great. It's a great guide.

Jessamyn 1:27:37 Somebody was so much Daredevil.

mathowie 1:27:41 I had no but there's so much. I mean, it's comic books every like eight minutes. There's super violent biting. And I was just like, yeah, I really need to do this just over and over and over. Gori, Gori,

Jessamyn 1:27:53 Gori, Gori. Yeah. Freaks and Geeks for geeks is to Wednesday for me.

Cortex 1:28:00 Yeah. It hits the right note for me like it does. It has that sort of cringing thing, but for whatever reason, like it's just the right amount that I actually really loved. Freaks and Geeks. When I watched through

Jessamyn 1:28:12 it. I couldn't go anywhere near transparent. Like, I'm watching actually like a boring Lady Cop procedural right now, which is terrific. It's like, it's all detectives. It's in Manchester, England. And most of the major cops are women. But like no big deal, but they just happen to be women. So they talk about a lot of their like cop stuff in the women's room. And there's this sort of dumb guy named Kevin that everyone makes fun of Gilmore Girls. I love Parks and Rec. I was sorry that it was over.

Cortex 1:28:43 Finally just caught up with the end of that watch the last season. That's the goal. That's

Jessamyn 1:28:47 nice for having had a great ending to Yeah, well, we say that.

mathowie 1:28:52 That's the gold standard for like uplifting comedy, I think is

Jessamyn 1:28:56 Yeah, because even though sometimes it's 20 like they're all friends. People are all like Orange is the New Black. I'm like it's a comedy set in a prison. I can't do that. I can't do that. Otherwise other people great Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is that good?

mathowie 1:29:10 It takes a while the world building and it's like 30 rock or they're like punch in a joke every six seconds after a while. Like it's pretty nuts near the end. Do you ever see others like Paul Feig did other space, which is sort of like Star Trek and Freaks and Geeks in space in the future. And it's funny and the first couple of episodes? Yeah. I'm curious what you think, Josh? Especially as a fan of, you know, wacky, no, I

Cortex 1:29:41 need to sit down and watch it. I've heard some people add to an American Red Dwarf.

mathowie 1:29:47 Yeah, it's not great at the start. But eventually it turns into community and space. Basically. Everyone's an oddball and they're funny, and it's good. Yeah, no, I'll take a look.

Jessamyn 1:29:56 Is it all one word other space?

mathowie 1:29:58 No to it's all Oh, it's Only on Yahoo's screen. Yeah, that's

Cortex 1:30:01 like,

Jessamyn 1:30:03 Oh, that was like Cecily Strong's joke at the correspondents dinner like we'd go, Joel McHale. You've gone from having a network show on NBC to having a network show on Yahoo. That's good.

mathowie 1:30:13 All right.

Jessamyn 1:30:14 I'm definitely going to like other space. I can tell already. Thanks, man.

mathowie 1:30:18 And there's only like one or two white guys in the cast. They don't make any big deal about that, which is good. I was

Jessamyn 1:30:23 making the librarians which I haven't seen yet.

mathowie 1:30:27 And the what? Oh,

Jessamyn 1:30:29 it's just I mean, it's a dopey TV series, but I'm sure I'll like it, because they'll make occasional pandering librarian jokes. Right. Oh, man, I didn't tell you. I think I was talking to Josh, before you got here. I'm going to be at the California Library Association Conference, where they're going to bill me as the most famous librarian in the world

mathowie 1:30:48 because of Google searches, just

Jessamyn 1:30:51 because it's not even true, because it just makes it funny. And you know, then they can bill it and then I'll show up, and it'll be funny. They're doing this after dark thing. We're gonna they're gonna have programs that go till two in the morning.

mathowie 1:31:03 Oh, yeah. Start being fake and start being real.

Jessamyn 1:31:10 That would be a great slogan. That was. Well, whoa. So I enjoyed this in terms of having some awareness. Nora read with like a social justice warrior costume, and is having trouble choosing some symbols. Help her choose some symbols. And it's funny because it's funny.

Cortex 1:31:34 Yep. There's a bunch of good ideas in here. I like that Griffis brought up the, the gaming's feminist Illuminati thing, because that does seem like a natural fit. You know, it's like a, you know, curly eyelashes. pink triangle of an Illuminati all saying I, right. That's an awesome, I

Jessamyn 1:31:54 just thought it would be fun. And I think more people should have costumes about whatever their particular things are. Yep. So I thought that was kind of terrific.

Cortex 1:32:03 I thought this was an interesting thread. I mean, it's kind of a bummer of one. But it's a good bummer of a thread from it's an anonymous post from someone basically saying, Hey, I'm coming to terms with the fact that I have temper and anger problems, and it's basically making me you know, an abusive person. I need to figure out where to go with this. I read this whole thing. Yeah. And it's a really good thread. It was, it was notable from a moderator side, just because the the unusual volume of people saying, Hey, can you post this for me anonymously? Just writing the contact form or whatnot, you know, both people saying, Hey, I've been in your shoes, or, Hey, I've been in your family shoes, as you know, the spouse or is the kid. And yeah, this is how this affected my life. And this is what my experience has taught me about, you know, where you need to go with this.

Jessamyn 1:32:52 Yeah, I thought it was a good thread, because the question didn't seem to have sort of built in. Here's why I can't do all the things you're gonna suggest, is really someone who is like, oh, shit, this is a mess, which doesn't always mean they're gonna handle it. But it does at least mean they're aware of the depth of the situation, you know, it's definitely

Cortex 1:33:10 possible for someone to come to a place where they recognize as a problem, but they're still so wrapped up in a sense of defensiveness about it that they're like, Well, I mean, I noticed a problem. But, and this doesn't. This is just like, this is a problem. This is

Jessamyn 1:33:23 where I am. I'm gonna destroy my marriage. And I actually want to be in my marriage. Please help

Cortex 1:33:27 me fix this, you know. And so it's really good. And a bunch of really great detailed responses.

Jessamyn 1:33:32 Well, and feedback from people. Yeah, exactly. Like you said, who were like, I was that angry person. Here's what I had to do. Or I was a kid of that angry person. This is what my life was like, this is probably not what you want to do. Yeah. Yeah, no, I thought that was actually a really interesting, interesting thread to read. Yeah.

mathowie 1:33:52 This question reminded me that taught me that when you're sending up a big weather balloon with a GoPro on it. He's asking for alternatives to like the giant latex balloons that blow up because turtles, the Turtles, because it resembles jellyfish. I didn't know that. That's super dangerous. And people are trying to come up with the ways to like lead a balloon up and get some cool super high camera footage, but also get it back without causing any harm. And it's hard to do and you can try fishing wire and you can try Mylar, but yeah. If anyone has any ideas, pop them in there. Because what a

Jessamyn 1:34:31 lot of people said was like, you should just have a tethered balloon and have it be captive so that you can get the balloon and the camera back. But it's probably easier. Easier said than done.

mathowie 1:34:42 Yeah, I wonder how you got it if it went to the ocean. And yeah, if it did blow up, but I guess you could record it now. I guess I would get out of range pretty fast. Anyway,

Jessamyn 1:34:57 here's the thread that I enjoyed because it didn't necessarily go where you would think it would go, which is basically, hey, I got a friend, my friend smells. I think my friend can't get a serious girlfriend because he smells. What's a good way to have a conversation with my friend who smells and you know, the thread goes in kind of the normal ways that you would expect, like, does he want your advice? Maybe not blah. But then late afternoon dreaming hotel shows up. And he's like, by the way, people say this to me all the time. I'm a big hairy sweaty dude. And me and my partner are both big, hairy, sweaty dudes. We don't wear any person or deodorant. Nice. Well, meaning people take us aside to tell us we smell and we don't care. Because that's our community and whatever. But thanks. Because I get it that it's different for other people. So blah, here's my advice. So I just thought it was kind of a nice comment. Because the guys like, look, some people know they smell and even if that's true, there's still ways to better and worse have this conversation with people.

Cortex 1:36:01 Blah, yeah.

mathowie 1:36:04 Wow, we had a friend in college and all his friends and us when he wasn't around, maybe like once a month. He'd happened. Jason's not here. You know, we would talk about like, he had the worst breath in the world. But we saw him brush if you hung out with him. He brushes, his impeccable tooth care. But he's dunk. I have no idea why, like maybe it's a weird sinus infection. I don't know where it

Jessamyn 1:36:28 was coming from disease. You could have some sort of, you know, crap stuck in your tonsils. Like, there's all sorts of things that might,

mathowie 1:36:35 but we sat around going, like, how do we even start, you know, like, I've known him for five years, I should have said something in the first year.

Cortex 1:36:43 One of the weirdest things that I think is that's one of the nature of dental issues, is you can have sort of like a bad dental situation that's not super visible. And I think that's actually probably a common source of that. Like, if people have like bad shit going on with like, like, just as gum disease or something bad going on with their molars, you know, they can brush all the time. It's not gonna fix that problem. You don't

Jessamyn 1:37:05 eat very often, like, like, if you're hungry. Hunger can manifest itself as bad breath. A lot of people don't think about that or even know that. So they brush their teeth, but they still Yeah, people.

mathowie 1:37:20 balances. Yeah, body odor seems easier to talk to a friend about 10 teeth. It's weird. Like, I have a friend who stinks and he's totally like, Yeah, I'm a hippie fucker. This is my thing. Like, I'm sorry. Sorry, nature offend you. It's awesome.

Jessamyn 1:37:38 Well, that's not entirely different from what this guy said, Except he's like, within our community, this is actually normal. And within hippie communities, that kind of thing is normal and different. cultures have higher and lower degrees of hygiene that people really give a shit about. Which is always

mathowie 1:37:55 every so often a dude walks by me and it's cool. Guy smells terrific. Like, how do you deal with that? What is that?

Jessamyn 1:38:03 Like? I had that thing to get to? Like, I'm like, you smell amazing. And if it's my friend, I'll be like, Why do you smell amazing? I want us.

mathowie 1:38:13 It's hard. Right? But

Jessamyn 1:38:14 if it's a stranger, you just like

mathowie 1:38:17 Shazam, for smell yet?

Jessamyn 1:38:20 No, but if you know somebody who's good with that, like lipstick thespian now works as a like a fragrance Dude, I don't even know where he works. But he's got like a real job job being a fragrance dude. And so whenever I have questions, like I smelled this guy, and he smelled kinda like, you know, and I'll try and explain it using my dumb words, but he can sometimes pull out like a scent that would be close that I might enjoy. So try your try your local fragrance people at some like off, you know, don't go to you know, target home goods or something. Whatever the hell that place is called TJ Maxx, who's the Home Goods people, at any rate, don't go there. But talk to a person who really knows about it, and they might be able to hook you up towards smelling amazing. Yeah, there was a

Cortex 1:39:05 thread a little bumpy one point but otherwise was pretty good. This damn

Jessamyn 1:39:10 thing did finish also,

Cortex 1:39:15 which I keep in my home for overnight guests, which is someone saying, hey, you know, I think I'm getting back into dating and when they're gonna come over the house sometimes what should I have as

Jessamyn 1:39:25 well and what should I have so that I am useful but without seeming like I'm a player who has overnight guests over?

Cortex 1:39:32 Yeah, yeah. Like how do I got and of course, has different preferences and so you have people saying, well, you you're tilting too far to the left on the balance and then but you're tilting too far to the right on the balance and there was a extended exchange about tampons and

Jessamyn 1:39:47 keep tampons in your house if you're a dude does that make you look like a player? Does that make you like a considerate grown up who knows that women are going to be in his house sometimes.

Cortex 1:39:56 Right you have this? Some people like Yeah, but it's it's If you're you don't have a need for tampons. So it's fundamentally sort of creepily, you know, deliberate for you to have this versus if you have a tampon when I need a tampon. That's fantastic. And yes, yeah. So

Jessamyn 1:40:16 awesomest

mathowie 1:40:17 guest Wi Fi available, that seems like the least you can do

Jessamyn 1:40:22 will just have Wi Fi available, the number of places that I've stayed where people don't know their own Wi Fi password.

mathowie 1:40:29 That's a bummer. And we have to have this conversation

Jessamyn 1:40:31 like why do you even have a Wi Fi password? Well, the guy who set it up? Well, and that actually segues pretty nicely into what I consider this interesting thread, which had a couple other like points to it. Like, I've had shitty house guests, and then you know, list of shitty house guests. How do I tell these house guests? They're shitty? And how do I have gift? You know, guests, these people don't even bring gifts. And then it turned into this sort of an interesting conversation about you know, how to talk to people about bad houseguest how to set boundaries with people who are going to be guests in your home and whether or not it makes any sense at all. Like, there are clearly people in this thread who believe if you do not bring a gift, when you stay with people, you are rude and other people who are like it's a culturally determined thing. Like, why would you and watching those people have a conversation with each other? I found super interesting, because I'm always one of those people who's like, I know, society says bringing gift, sort of, but it seems weird to bring a gift. I am like, I never know, I usually send thank you notes or take people out to dinner. But it's a thing people have strong feelings about. So it was interesting listening. I've

mathowie 1:41:41 given so many gifts. That's crazy. But do you stay at other people's

Jessamyn 1:41:45 homes a lot often,

mathowie 1:41:46 but maybe once a year or two, but Well, I'll

Jessamyn 1:41:50 start bringing them shocks man. Yeah, maybe I'll get

mathowie 1:41:53 Yeah, yes. I said there's a total culture of wheelhouse thread, which was like, hey, remember six feet under how like corporate people are taking over a funeral homes, but like, Are there any family owned funeral homes left? And of course, we were like, we should get cortex and then I mean, a coach have to show up and he does and says but someone said it's statistics 86% of fuel homes are family owned, but that might be a problematic stat and yeah,

Cortex 1:42:28 if a large majority are family owned, but you know, those family owned ones are all tiny and then the corporate ones are huge, then yeah, it sounds very different. Right? Yeah.

mathowie 1:42:40 But they're not but they have to be publicly traded to count as corporate technically, it's weird. But yes, it's a good discussion of who owns funeral homes these days.

Cortex 1:42:51 And I deleted someone's upon hysterical comment because yes, it's good classic bit of sort of upon hysterical but you can't just say that's an ask me comment. And I always feel like a big meanie, but at the same time, come on the task

mathowie 1:43:02 you're doing. Don't see it, and it's so good.

Jessamyn 1:43:08 I see it and I'm like, thumbs up in you from my house.

Cortex 1:43:15 As long as you don't ever like publicly excoriate me on Twitter for deleting or not deleting something, I have zero problem with you.

Jessamyn 1:43:23 The only thing I would probably score you on Twitter for would be like bad jokes that you put in my space. You know what I mean? Like, I can publicly excreting anybody on Twitter who's not like that government. I ah, like, you know, adding a specific person to like, give him a hard time, just

Cortex 1:43:43 Twitter's word. You know, really, Asus would be the public scurried someone because you know, they're listening to mouth mountains of madness at that moment.

Jessamyn 1:43:52 And then click that link. Have not clicked

Cortex 1:43:55 on sometimes sometimes look at it, just just just gird yourself. Just tell

Jessamyn 1:43:58 me when and then you can? Yeah, I'll

Cortex 1:44:00 find a nice low when there's no 14 year old around, and then we can just have fun with it. There's a question I liked. I liked. I sort of hate liked this question. I liked it. I was immediately unhappy that had been asked because like, oh, but the answer is neither of the answers that you're suggesting we should settle?

Jessamyn 1:44:20 Because it turns out there's additional information. Why don't you back up? And

Cortex 1:44:25 the question is, you know, it's should a sentence end with a question mark, or the punctuation mark, which is a tricky question. It's got a quote at the end. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

Jessamyn 1:44:35 hard there, Matt?

Cortex 1:44:37 Yeah, the thing is, there's a couple simple answers to the broad question. And those answers disagree. And it's entirely a matter of British English versus American English. usage patterns, generally speaking, and then there's little details, there's tricky situations. Where is the punctuation mark the end of the sentence, or is it the end of the quoted remark? And you know, so people go over for Well, there's a bunch of little details and the asker clarifies. And of course, I love you, man, but of course it's fucking ragi is the other friend that they're having this argument about having some internet person fight about it? Yeah. And so it's it ended up being a good discussion of some of the details of there but it's also like Oh, my eyes rolled so hard is it you are you guys are having a fucking usage fight on AskMe NFL don't do that. No, just go to an actual bar and you know

Jessamyn 1:45:31 arson, that's gonna editor

Cortex 1:45:32 ask three editors.

Jessamyn 1:45:36 I felt like I should have gotten the best answer for that.

Cortex 1:45:38 Yeah. Well, you can never You can't expect the best answers. That's, that's that's the thing that I've I've made my peace with. Not that I even answer very many questions. Everybody else is always doing a better job. Anytime I see something. We're like, Oh, I didn't even know. They got it handled. I was going to be sort of half bullshitty and they're actually speaking with something that looks like substantiate authority.

mathowie 1:45:59 i Oh, wait really quick. I hilariously stumbled onto this toilet paper go on the outside of the when you put it on the roll from 2004.

Jessamyn 1:46:09 Brown pow. Yeah, I

mathowie 1:46:11 think someone on Twitter like do it. Wow. Because we were fighting about it. Yes, Heather champ famously is like it always goes on the inside and everyone else yells that or it needs to go

Jessamyn 1:46:22 over I think she just does that now to be contrasts or

mathowie 1:46:25 thing. Yeah, but if this evil person, if this thread went off today, I think it'd be the blue dress all over again.

Cortex 1:46:33 Someone would have to dress it up just right, though. They'd have to like sell it not just like, which is it interesting because like, because of this context, I really tried to get some some reasoning and historical concrete

Jessamyn 1:46:44 science on it. Yeah. And yeah, and then we can have

Cortex 1:46:47 a 400 Common ask me thread about it.

Jessamyn 1:46:49 Right. I enjoy continuing to explain to people why mobile Call quality is so terrible. Oh, it's just dz Wang basically being like, What the fuck? Like, I have a cell phone and why is my smartphone phone call worse than my stupid flip phone BB BB piece of shit. What the fuck? And you know, people explain it. And it's actually worth reading and understanding if you're one of those people who is wondering, like I was why y

mathowie 1:47:23 ly frustrated when I had to take the one call a month and like whole sentences drop out. Like in the middle of someone talking. That's that is depressing.

Jessamyn 1:47:34 Yeah, you think I mean, what's

mathowie 1:47:38 to improve? I just wanted to get it to as reliable stage and quit.

Jessamyn 1:47:44 Well, and I'd like us to get to the point where we're like, I don't want to have a phone call with you because phone calls are terrible. And like, let's just talk on Skype or whatever. Because everybody knows the phone call is going to be terrible. I don't even know why you need to have a phone call.

Cortex 1:48:01 Yeah, I'm so spoiled by like Skyping with like a headset or a microphone and headphones at anytime I'm having a phone conversation. I'm like, this is everything about this is terrible.

Jessamyn 1:48:10 Like, right, we've we've had this whole conversation and it's just gone fine the whole time.

mathowie 1:48:15 Yep. Everything was also like, FaceTime audio is the sort of let's make a call over IP. But your friend now says an iPhone and an iCloud account. So it's like I've made two of those calls ever. And they're they're better than voice but you know, I wish there was a reliable we could I could count on, like an internet way to call someone always. And I guess maybe that's what Facebook Messenger was trying to do. I don't know.

Cortex 1:48:43 They'll bring that back when when they launch oculus rift that, you know,

Jessamyn 1:48:46 make calls with Facebook Messenger. I basically use Skype for doing this now.

mathowie 1:48:49 I think they're talking about the Skype app in on your phone.

Jessamyn 1:48:53 I don't use my phone. Maybe that's it.

mathowie 1:48:56 I want to make the one time a month I have to make a phone call. I wish I could do it over IP over you know,

Jessamyn 1:49:03 use a Skype app on your phone. It's decent. Yeah. If you don't know that people are going to be you know, FaceTime enabled.

mathowie 1:49:14 Yeah. FaceTime audio, I gotta go to work. So I think

Cortex 1:49:19 yeah, we should we should wrap up. We're closing in on like, two hours here and he

Jessamyn 1:49:24 said there was gonna be a music moment just

Cortex 1:49:28 I'll just say really briefly.

Jessamyn 1:49:30 Does that mean you have to like sit in a Slack channel. It's not like your pants on.

Cortex 1:49:36 He's not actually pasting old AskMe Metafilter URLs. A couple of songs specifically that I'll mention shorter clips dude shuffle them shorter clips, especially since our talking like even there's a really nice cover of the Soufiane Stevens song Chicago by three ants. It's just this

Jessamyn 1:49:56 nice song and three answers talented. It's really nice.

Cortex 1:49:59 I And it reminded me of a song that I recorded 10 years ago and it was like a crazy blast from the passing for me. But yeah, it's really nice. And it is, well I'll talk about this in a second, but it's part of the song about a city challenge.

Jessamyn 1:50:12 Oh, I'm supposed to sing we built this city on Brian.

Cortex 1:50:18 Camp we can do, we can do a collab if you aren't somehow bound. But ya know, that's, that's gonna be the big, that's gonna be the big challenge for the next couple months is doing a song about a city, it could be a cover of a song, it could be an original song. You can collaborate with other people or do it yourself. There's a music talk thread about it. And there's also a metal talk thread. And we threw that up on best stuff as well. So if you if you don't normally spend a lot of time doing music, or don't spend a lot of time hanging out on metal filter music, that's okay, you can jump in. There's no rules or restrictions or anything here. And yeah, if you've got a song about a city that you like, or if you wrote a song about a city, or if you just want to try and get involved with someone else, because you feel like playing some clarinet, because you don't do that enough these days. pop into a thread and say hello and try and work something out. Great. The other song all mentioned that's not a specific entry there but I just really like it. This is the devil's rancher thing that I mentioned earlier, is a Pink Floyd medley cover of breathe and, and pigs songs have a couple different albums that his band let's say a product called the Yes man, which looks so great. But anyway, this is it's this is like a 10 minute medley these two songs and I'm a big Pink Floyd fan and this it's fucking great. It's this is I've heard a fair number of you know, Pink Floyd cover band type things and this is much more in my wheelhouse or in my my, I've got wheelhouse in the head. Now. We head wheelhouse in the head, you know, you know, they say, but yeah, anyway, this is great. It's great. And I like it. So that in Chicago, both a couple of great recent posts. And the other City Challenge. Definitely anybody who's got a, any sort of musical niche should get involved in that. And we'll do some fun stuff over the next couple months.

Jessamyn 1:52:16 Great. That sounds wonderful. Hooray. You guys.

Cortex 1:52:21 And and yeah, that's, that's clearly

Cortex 1:52:28 I think we're pretty much done anyway. So yeah, pleasure talking to you. Well, let's maybe we can do during June 1. Maybe we'll get right back on top of the month. Next month. I'll try.

Jessamyn 1:52:38 That'd be awesome.

Cortex 1:52:39 All right. All right. Talk to you all later. Hey guys. Bye.