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A transcript for Episode 101: More Elegant Website for a Civilized Web (2015-02-03).

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Cortex 0:00 And welcome mat Howie Jessamyn Welcome to the metal filter podcast.

mathowie 0:12 Welcome to Episode 101 of the metal filter podcast. I am Mathowie

Jessamyn 0:17 I'm Jessamyn West

Cortex 0:18 I'm Josh Maillard aka cortex and this is the Super Bowl postgame analysis spectacular. Two solid hours of yeah

Jessamyn 0:27 all right real quick gentlemen. Did you see the game?

Cortex 0:30 I saw I saw the last two game minutes of the game perfect how

Jessamyn 0:34 perfect so you saw the last hour then?

Cortex 0:36 Yeah

Cortex 0:42 itself it was it was a it was a eventful ending for sure. thing that happened.

Jessamyn 0:49 Very lively, Matt.

mathowie 0:50 I do remember I thought we got time for two plays. They shouldn't run one of those don't please don't pass but whatever. I'm not the coach.

Cortex 1:00 It's one of the things where it's really easy to after the fact say oh yeah, but you know how crazy because you screwed up but then like if they had made that pass and randomly gotten intercepted by some rookie who has just had the best day of his year Oh, okay, so you probably went oh good for Tom

Jessamyn 1:17 Brady's really good at those Hail Mary last couple minute crazy things for some reason what a weird thing to be good at. But yeah,

mathowie 1:24 I didn't watch the postgame who was the MVP wasn't Brady or sorry.

Jessamyn 1:26 Here you go. Tom Brady. Here's your six dude truck you fucker. Not that dude. I know. At any rate, that's the postgame wrap up is

Cortex 1:39 basically a guy over me chips and lemon bars and drink some beer and played several fun board games with we got

Jessamyn 1:50 Viper law and a letter fresco

mathowie 1:54 meetup sweet. Yeah. Sweet.

Cortex 1:57 So we did that Abraxas place and had a lovely time we even played a little bit of paper football. Turns out none of us are any good at it. And games that they'll sell you in boxes designed by professional game designers more compelling than paper football generally speaking, so

mathowie 2:11 is there as much eye damage potential as I used to remember those pointy footballs life?

Cortex 2:16 That's, that's why I wear glasses. You got to have proper safety equipment.

Jessamyn 2:19 Since when do you wear glasses.

Cortex 2:21 I have had glasses for a number of years now. I don't like need them constantly. And they're really just for distance for the most part. But it gets a little bit fuzzy. Like if I'm going to drive at night or need to be able to recognize a new street by the street sign while I'm driving past it. I want to have my glasses on just so I have the acuity. And that like board gaming if I'm playing a game against, you know, a long, long table and need to read something on the other end. At that point. It's just a little bit fuzzy enough that I'd rather put my glasses than like constantly be leaning in and squinting.

Jessamyn 2:50 No pointy footballs in your eyes.

Cortex 2:51 Yes, exactly. So it all works out very well.

Jessamyn 2:54 Sweet. Let's talk about the number 101. Gentleman.

Cortex 2:59 Yes, tell us tell us it's a palindrome. It's a palindrome not

Jessamyn 3:03 only is it a palindrome it is what's called a strobo grammatic prime, which means given a base and a set of glyphs, it's the same whether you view it normal or upside down. So it's really only primes that have zeros, ones and eights because they're symmetrical around the horizontal axis, six and nine flip upside down. So that's kind of interesting.

Cortex 3:27 Oh, okay. So specifically, specifically the horizontal symmetry, rather just rotational symmetry of

Jessamyn 3:33 what it is telling me about chromatic prime and these are sort of on your on your aid, though. Maybe you're one.

Cortex 3:42 Well, I'm just saying like the difference i i strongly embrace the idea of not getting hung up on the font, but I think it's, it's something that people might be like, but one upside down doesn't look like one looks like,

Jessamyn 3:52 right, like those European ones that look alike kind of smushed up sevens. Yeah, what the hell is that about? I don't even Europe. So it's the only prime that has alternating ones and zeros in base 10. And it's the largest known prime of the form 10 And plus one. Nice, which I think means it's the there's only two. I mean, it's 11. And one, that's it.

Cortex 4:13 10 n plus one. Well, 31 would be 10. Attend to

Jessamyn 4:17 the end. Sorry, sorry.

Cortex 4:18 Okay. Right.

Jessamyn 4:20 Good point. Yeah, so 101 about as interesting as you thought it was.

Cortex 4:25 Also, that's how many Dalmatians there are. There's exactly 101

Jessamyn 4:31 More books now or published with titles that begin with 101 as opposed to 100 So it used to be like 100 ways to do whatever. Now it's like 101 ways to do whatever

mathowie 4:44 Yeah, 101 things to do before you die think that's the

Jessamyn 4:47 exact exactly like the list.

mathowie 4:54 Filter jobs, we only had four jobs, but one of them's awesome. Some Science Teaching Program and astronomy in Boulder Colorado or Socorro, New Mexico, New Mexico like right on the border of White Sands National Monument. Oh, if I had a PhD in astronomy six weeks teaching gifted high school kids or related field. Yeah, it sounds that sounds like a fun way to spend the summer. They also

Jessamyn 5:21 need residential directors met. That's true.

mathowie 5:24 For anyone academics, I guess, right. You got the

Jessamyn 5:27 customer? Yeah, yeah, by ami 27. Who was posted this and one answer to an AskMe Metafilter question.

mathowie 5:34 And if you look at the pay, it's like Kotick. It's real money. For 215. I assume the higher end is the instructors. But that's a lot more

Jessamyn 5:44 1000 bucks to live somewhere for free for the summer. Outside of a

mathowie 5:47 national park in a really dark town where you have all the astronomy stuff you want, like

Jessamyn 5:51 I do live in a Dark Town.

mathowie 5:53 That'd be pretty cool.

Jessamyn 5:54 Theoretically, we had some auroras we could see a couple days ago, but there were no cars.

mathowie 6:00 Have you ever seen auroras from Oh, yeah, yeah. Wow. Do they look like the videos?

Jessamyn 6:07 No, no, like, like, the crazy Aurora is like you see in Alaska. We don't really it's more like, is the horizon kind of pink? Wait, I think maybe it's a little green. I think there was one time at Hampshire, but you know, a lot of like, my memories of Hampshire, hazy so. But I'm pretty sure we saw them. But who knows? But ya know, it's really cool. I mean, we aren't that far north. They just don't come up that often.

mathowie 6:33 So the crazy dantian green purple light shows are like, you know, extreme Arctic Circle stuff, right?

Jessamyn 6:40 I mean, Canada, you don't have to be way, way north. But you have to be farther north than Vermont. Most of the time, though. I did see I've seen those ones.

mathowie 6:48 It looks like fake if you have I have no natural basis to go off. So

Jessamyn 6:53 yeah, no, it's awesome. It's super awesome. It's worth worth a trip. If you're ever up north for some reason. Then there's really no Twitter accounts that you can follow that basically say, hey, Aurora activity in your neighborhood, and so you can get the heads up?

mathowie 7:06 Close to me. Super sweet. I guess we should look at projects,

Jessamyn 7:11 great ton of projects. Yeah. ton of projects, interesting projects, different from usual projects. One of one of my favorites was a zine cat did a play, like a 10 minute short play that premiered at a theater and one Audience Choice Awards. And it was just really cool. Like, a lot of our stuff is like this web thing, this fun, whatever thing, but this was like, Hey, I wrote a little community theater play. And now here you go and directed it. A story about a woman in Japan who lived in a man's closet for a year.

mathowie 7:46 Yeah, there was a music video that was really cool. ink and water. I mean, it's it's what it sounds like, like ink dropping into water and making these crazy cool patterns on music plays. Oh, test

Jessamyn 7:59 Martin. Yeah, it

mathowie 8:00 was very lovely. Lovely. Oh,

Jessamyn 8:02 my God. Look at it right now. Oh,

mathowie 8:05 there are a couple interesting. Let me see it was this and you should buy our D G. That was

Jessamyn 8:12 it. We talked about him every month. But he's not super talented.

mathowie 8:18 I think it's like I need Josh to explain this. It's like 20 photos glitched out combined.

Cortex 8:26 I have not looked at this one. This is

Jessamyn 8:29 I saw this on it was on milkshake. And I asked him about it. Like they're not even glitched out. He uses this very specific set of Photoshop filters and then puts them all on top of each other. Yeah, there's

Cortex 8:39 like some edge detection in here. Seems to be

Jessamyn 8:44 solarize maybe.

Cortex 8:46 Yeah, it feels like it's got that sort of solarized feel, although I feel like particular things sort of.

Jessamyn 8:52 Maybe I was just talking to him about it. Yeah.

Cortex 8:55 The run up.

mathowie 8:56 We recorded on January 6, anything after that?

Cortex 9:00 Yeah. And I feel canceled. I totally missed that until

Jessamyn 9:02 now. Yeah, no, I love this. I love those pictures. I think they came out really

mathowie 9:06 today there was a related there was a old favorite a parish made some Twitter emoji glitch art in Python. That like kinda makes smiley faces.

Jessamyn 9:22 And all those words kind of put together. But

mathowie 9:27 on Tumblr, and it's just all these glitches, kinda you can find sort of smiley face somewhere. It's just mashing up the emoji on top of emoji on top of emoji. Using like an open source.

Jessamyn 9:40 Will I see pictures of it? Yeah, Sheen generated art. That looks like it. But it's what even

mathowie 9:51 the concept of a smiley face that's out there.

Jessamyn 9:56 That's like a loaf of bread.

mathowie 9:58 Josh, do you have a favorite

Jessamyn 10:00 I'm with a bad look. And

Cortex 10:01 I'm not sure like, does she actually say that it's intended to be smiley faces specifically? Or is that just sort of a fun reference to the fact that emojis have historically had partly a smiley face sort of thing? Because I think I think we may be totally wrong or shocking ourselves by insisting on finding literally a smiling face in there.

Jessamyn 10:21 I found one.

mathowie 10:24 Well, it was called smiley face with face, so I assumed that was key to it.

Cortex 10:32 I enjoyed this. This is, this is nice and weird.

Jessamyn 10:37 It is weird. I also enjoyed Slava Dziedzic or Dan Harmon. It's an internet quiz that Dan Harmon retweeted, of course, and only got an ad. But the joke is they kind of look the same.

mathowie 10:54 Yeah. Shut up a beer me was Hi, Jay. Oh, three. Sorry. Should have been beer me by as our Bae II Johnny. Johnny. Johnny. That's Oh,

Jessamyn 11:09 then Janae Wallace. Learning how to pronounce the names indicates that you care?

mathowie 11:16 Oh, no, I was trying to pronounce the username username. This is just using the location stuff in like modern browsers to try and I think hit up a Yelp database to say where's the nearest place to get like a beer, or tagged as a bar on Yelp? For me, it gives me like a local greasy spoon diner, like a mile away, which I don't even think serves alcohol. But it's a cool idea. Like, hey,

Jessamyn 11:40 it points me to the liquor store. Which may have my car outside of it.

Cortex 11:46 Wow. It correctly identified the bar. That's literally a block from me. So good job.

Jessamyn 11:51 Great. It totally works. Yeah, it

mathowie 11:53 works better in big cities. But yeah, I thought it was a pretty cool, silly thing you can make in an afternoon. That was a pretty cool. Oh, no, go ahead.

Cortex 12:06 Here's one that I think is fantastic. Interesting dot jpg. This is posted by cm yr. And it's a twitter bot that takes news photographs, and does computer vision based automatic captioning of them. It's not. It's one of those things where on the one hand, it's not very good. Like it gets lots of things quite wrong. But

Jessamyn 12:29 the black and white dress dances with a flag Katy Perry's halftime.

Cortex 12:34 On the other hand, it does sort of like a really great job. Compared to what you would imagine would happen if you said, Oh, yes, no, I'm just making computer tell me what's in the picture. It's like, there's some really interesting computer vision recognition and, and sort of caption generation stuff going on here. So it's like, it's it's both fun, because it's funny that it gets stuff wrong along because this is a hard problem. And also kind of really fucking impressive that it's getting as much as it is getting right and interesting to look at where this with its robots and how it fails. Yeah. Because that you have to remember, like, yeah, this it's a computer. It has no context for this stuff, except for what's been put into it by humans. And so the fail points are really interesting. In particular, I

mathowie 13:17 think, so it must be like maybe popular images from like a news service from writers. And it feeds into an engine that tries to. It's funny, it looks it reminds me of those Twitter memes of like, misinterpreting a movie, kinda, you know. Yeah. Like, I think for Titanic, you know, for the movie, Titanic, like, you know, an iceberg sits alone for a long time. And then stuff happens. Like that would be the worst way you can describe it.

Cortex 13:49 About the iceberg. Like some of

mathowie 13:51 the photos are like war photos, it's like there's a bird on the ground.

Jessamyn 13:57 man sitting on a rock when he's actually had its foot shot off. Oh,

Cortex 14:01 but then I get stuff like a group of men and military uniforms are standing together when that's exactly what's going on. And that's the level of detail like it's not just saying I think there's a humanoid figure in here. It's it's, it's recognizing that it is in fact, mostly men, it's recognizing military military uniforms at recognizing, you know, standing as a a posture. You know, there's a picture of a interior of a really wrecked looking flooded Mall. It's described it it's a view of a building in the waters you know, that's right. Yeah. So yeah, it's so it's really neat. If you're daring there's also mentioned in the in the project post is apt not safe for work. jpg. And it's just, it's just straight up a bunch of porn. So it's like really, really porn but, but it's also the exact same sort of weird what it gets right and weird, but it gets really wrong. And I think more consistently gets things wrong or things that are wrong and more hilariously weird ways, because maybe there's not been as much training specifically on pornography.

Jessamyn 14:59 It doesn't seem To know about porn, like none of these things are like these people are having sex with each other. It's just

Cortex 15:06 exactly. Yeah, it's not

Jessamyn 15:09 a young woman in a bikini top and shorts hold her hands. That is not what is going on in our picture.

mathowie 15:17 For now, oh, my god

Jessamyn 15:20 super party, and none of them have porn descriptions. So whatever's telling them what the world is like.

Cortex 15:26 Exactly. So I'm assuming it's like using the dataset put against not porn is part of the weird, funny disconnect.

Jessamyn 15:33 But three, three followers for that account.

Cortex 15:38 I don't want that showing up randomly in my Twitter feed either. So it's like, I'll go look at it. But yeah, anyway, the whole thing seems super interesting to me. And I thought I think that's that's basically awesome stuff. Yeah, I agree. And I would not, I would not encourage anybody who's uncomfortable the idea of looking at the porn one to look at it because it is but but if you are okay, it's really entertaining. It's really funny to look at a wince at the porn that's pouring in the meantime,

mathowie 16:05 all the Not Safe For Work warnings that is the safest for work. Yes. Like, those are really graphic photos, probably, you know, to max out and tweak out the AI, you know, but crazy. I love that song name haiku by JJ Wiseman. So that's great metal filter. And people are posting their favorites on metal filter, you just get weird mashups of you know, AC DC songs, or there's some good funny ones down in here. Yahoo. Did some weird stuff with accounts, you know, guesses on counts of syllables using some databases, but also sometimes it uses some like, like parentheses, and there was debate over whether it should or not the only radio edit ads and the ads for syllables, but some are funny like the ones most without the parentheses. But

Jessamyn 17:06 yeah, mind bullets had parentheses so far. Semicolon on your foot go into California down by the seaside. That's nice.

mathowie 17:17 Oh, and you can play a game trying to guess you know, what band is that? If you just gave people three titles,

Cortex 17:23 the truths and the words the army is tired now. Even my T shirt. What? Yep, they might be doing it. So I actually I don't know any of those. They might be giant songs. But they've written a lot of songs. So

Jessamyn 17:35 and I haven't listened to them that much since floods. So yeah,

Cortex 17:39 yeah, the syllable count stuff is one of the tricky things where you can you can guess pretty good with various libraries out there. But you can't get people to agree on things that are like, like, the Army is tired. Now. It's definitely counting tired as two syllables, which you could make an offensive it's like tired. But also I think most people would think of that as like a one syllable word. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm tired, tired. I shouldn't assume how anybody pronounces anything because that tends to lead to people asking me to pronounce dragon. I'm on it one

Cortex 18:16 way. Or another quick little one. This is like the most single serving super specialist you could get but project by remix No, do not which just generates an image and slaps that you give it an image and it'll give you a new image that has the red crossbar circle, no symbol on top. That's it. So if you ever need to know something's image, there you go, which would actually save me some evidence every once in awhile, I've decided to do that myself in Photoshop. And I've had to, like, you know, build it out of a few different pieces. And it's it's not super hard, but it could be faster. So.

Jessamyn 18:53 So it you upload an image or you just give it a URL for the image.

Cortex 18:56 I'm not sure if you can do one or both. I want to say upload. Yeah, you can, you can do both. parently can just tick Stuckmann text to it and try that.

Jessamyn 19:06 And then can you save the image?

Cortex 19:08 Let me see. Yeah, there's after that, you can just download it.

Jessamyn 19:12 I made a no scrubs one.

mathowie 19:19 That was my last cool project was the drinking my way through the literary 1930s. I love that. Alexandra Michelle. Yes, this is so cool. Like there was a book from 1935 or SP book, and that is that they're going through each drink in the book. Oh, yeah. their books, their drinks based on authors and famous works. And then there's like a review of the book or the or the drink. It's pretty cool. It's a very, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful blog.

Jessamyn 19:52 She asked about it on AskMe Metafilter to try and figure out what psoriatic is. But it was probably Sazerac. On. And on a slightly less late note. The other thing I liked was le Maria's parsing reports on murdered and missing Indigenous women, the Inter American Commission on Human Rights reported made a report on missing, murdered and missing Indigenous women in Canada. And she did a Storify live tweet reading. And she, he I'm sorry. Maria seemed female because it ended in a terrible person, at any rate, just a reading of it and talking about Well, let's talk about what happened. And so if you want kind of not quite the CliffsNotes, but somebody else to read it and parse out the parts that you should read about it. Check this out, he did a really good job and talked about all the different ways the system fails. Indigenous women.

mathowie 20:51 All right, Tory Pfizer. Pretty cool. And also the meta commentary between them. Yeah, flush it out,

Jessamyn 20:57 really. I thought was pretty good.

mathowie 20:59 Tweeting the story finds this, you know, like, you think Twitter can build a tool?

Jessamyn 21:04 Do you think Twitter could do a lot of things that they don't do it? Where's the revenue stream? Although for Storify, I would think there actually would be one. But you know, I don't even know.

mathowie 21:16 There's some sort of Storify Pro or something silly. I guess. Just talking about metaphor, stuff. There's no more projects.

Cortex 21:24 I think that's all my projects.

Jessamyn 21:26 That's all my projects. I mean, that's probably half the projects. But yeah, it was a good it was a good month for projects. People were

mathowie 21:32 pretty creative for post holiday, you know?

Jessamyn 21:35 Yeah, you know, I don't think of January is very creative month, usually

Cortex 21:39 people to get into the brain gym, you know, and then then this spend the next 11 months of the year, mostly eating brain potato chips on the brain couch. Because it's like it's New Year's like you're getting you're gonna work out you get a gym membership.

Jessamyn 21:54 I just went to the actual gym. Yeah.

Cortex 21:57 I should try doing that ever sometime. I went for a walk this morning. I went for a nice we walked around for a while. Got some exercise. So

Jessamyn 22:05 we have a pretty serious I'm not even out of my pajamas. I don't know how you do that. But it's snowing. It's snowing like crazy here.

Cortex 22:12 So I haven't we haven't had any snow at all this winter. I don't think have we met this isn't any No. It would not be strange for the snow we did get to have been so forgettable, that we would not know what happened a month later. But yeah, no, I think I think we've had nothing really hit the ground all winter. So

Jessamyn 22:29 now we had a walloping last week, although not really like New England had the real I mean, Massachusetts had the real snow. But today, you know, it's been snowing since I woke up. So I just decided not to go anywhere until I talked to you, gentlemen. It's a good

Cortex 22:41 plan. Thank you.

mathowie 22:44 Over a billion favorite metal filter posts, let me see this one was funny because it took an old, old there's a hilarious single link to someone doing some GIS work of an old Mitch Hedberg joke, which was his joke was like kita is Spanish for next Denny's. So there's a person on Reddit I guess who does GIS work? Who plumbed into this humongous database? Who is like really? Really? And like it's actually no actually GIS? 29 cities are right next to have a kingdom right next to a Denny's. Oh, there's 49 pairs that 5.8% of all looking to their next to a Denny's. Like that's a lot.

Jessamyn 23:28 But that's just zoning. Right. I mean, I mean, how many Denny's are also how many of them are also next to like a highway exit?

Cortex 23:36 Well, yeah, they're probably just Yeah, I'm sure it's just like, strong sort of demographic. But still, that's, that's great. That's just

mathowie 23:43 they both occupy the same strip malls next to freeways.

Jessamyn 23:46 And like Quinta doesn't have restaurants inside them, you know? So like, hotels or something? Yeah.

mathowie 23:53 So yeah, the joke actually makes sense in 6% of all their hotels. That's amazing to me

Cortex 23:59 that he was

mathowie 24:02 very, using data to prove a joke.

Jessamyn 24:06 Well, my favorite one, which is of course, entirely predictable is this Vermont ism posed by the man have twists and turns

mathowie 24:14 on those posts that want to call you out and go

Jessamyn 24:18 wild to see it. And I felt bad because I felt like people were kind of like, I wonder what Jessamyn has to say about this. But yeah, it's these things called which windows so you have a house and you people like do these kind of add on houses a lot. You have a little house and then you build a little house on next to it and a little like you build a great room or you build a mud room or you build a little room, and if there was a window a lot of times people reposition that window at an angle. They call it a Vermont window, but we don't we just call them you know, those sideways windows. And you see him around here for reasons. And so the man of twists and turns did a nice short post on these windows and people In the thread talked about that and snow removal from roofs and a couple other things. It was just a short fun post that I enjoyed.

Cortex 25:09 That's neat. Yeah, I've never seen those before. Really? Yeah, well, yeah, I haven't spent a whole lot of time in Vermont.

mathowie 25:15 I think I've driven backwards twice, all up and down the state. I've never I don't remember noticing those. But there are a lot of photos of them on Wikipedia as

Jessamyn 25:22 well. And where I used to live, like farther north than here, it seemed like they were even more prevalent than they are in the South. Like, it's not a thing that you see when people have like, money for renovations. Like it's kind of a weird homemade thing that people seem to do. I don't know what the coffin removal thing is.

mathowie 25:44 They say coffin windows because it's

Cortex 25:47 just shove the coffin out the window.

mathowie 25:51 Seems that seems problematic.

Jessamyn 25:53 Understand the coffin thing. The myth relates to a belief that a witch cannot fly the broomstick through a tight tilted opening.

Cortex 26:03 Oh, I would have assumed that it was like witches a crazy they love slanty windows, those crazy witches.

mathowie 26:10 Witches bring you stuff sometimes. So yeah,

Jessamyn 26:13 I don't understand. At any rate, favorite post of the month easily. It was very good.

mathowie 26:19 And it's just a weird superstition trend or something we don't even know. And yeah,

Jessamyn 26:24 it's a thing that you only see in certain parts of New England for like, Who knows why reasons.

mathowie 26:32 I love filthy light these post on the Boston Public Library's postcard collection.

Jessamyn 26:36 I love that collection, to click into

mathowie 26:39 the city amazing that if you click the second link in the post goes to a flicker sets page of every single state in America, and some railways and stuff. And you can go to your state and like some of them have 1000s of postcards scanned, and they're amazing. They're often like the 1940s ish and like just beautiful fonts and paintings and colors. And like, I could not believe how amazing these are crazy.

Jessamyn 27:09 I really wish that Flickr hadn't made it search so bizarre, because it used to be that you could do a search from within a group's pictures more easily. So you could just do a keyword search on Flickr and be like find me all of Boston Public Library's photos tagged Randolph, for example. And now you you can't do that as easily because the Internet Archive has a whole bunch of scan stuff that I'm always looking for looking for stuff.

Cortex 27:35 How many times you can the phrase has been uttered? I wish that Flickr hadn't?

Jessamyn 27:42 You know, I know. Right? Well, I mean, it's a thing that used to work that they made not work for reasons I don't understand at all.

mathowie 27:52 Yeah, imagine you know, 0.1% use the feature. So they just got rid of it. I mean, yeah, the the search is getting weirder. It's

Jessamyn 28:00 the answer to sort of why does search everywhere suck? Because people are like a Google does it. So I don't even care anymore. But they have tags. And so you can do faceted searching if if they let you and you know, you can still hack see it. But that's the argument. Right? It's that people don't want to search.

mathowie 28:17 Yeah. But why takeaway tools from Pro users that don't hurt anybody? But

Jessamyn 28:23 I have no idea. Doesn't look like they have a single picture of my town, unfortunately. But yeah, no, this is amazing. And my favorite thing about Boston Public Library's collection, is that they kind of lovingly curated, I mean, you can see this thing where they sort everything out by state, but even, you know, even within that things, have tags and things have information and things have I don't know, it's just

mathowie 28:47 it's cool. Yeah. And loved it.

Jessamyn 28:50 And you know, Boston Public Library is real serious about their, you know, their digital collections being, you know, things things that matter, basically. Oh, they have an adorable section that's called other postcards, including one called How to Use Color Chart. Check that one out.

Cortex 29:09 Do

Jessamyn 29:11 from the National, the nationwide postcard company,

Cortex 29:15 nice.

Jessamyn 29:17 Which is just 40 different colors. But that's what the library should be doing. Right? They should be taking your cultural content and enhancing and encouraging its find ability target.

mathowie 29:30 There's another GIS post, I like to note who owns Los Angeles using publicly available data and just doing cool SQL queries of Los Angeles County's data. And it's like, it's a cool post because it's like one blogger person, like just went and got an Access database like for LA County, like if the stuff isn't online, right. And they went to the assessor's office and got like this copy of a file and then data dump basically, yeah, then they massage it into XP. Postgres thing, they grabbed a GIS extension and they like did some, they explain all the math of all the, like proximity stuff you do because a lot of people argue about that, about, you know, getting proximity just right but they got like the 10 wealthiest landowners in LA County the biggest plot to land like the most expensive bits of land because these are all like assessments, tax assessments, figuring out

Jessamyn 30:22 what Dodger Stadium is assessed at, which is public information, sort of public yet buried information.

mathowie 30:28 And this reminds me, I guess this is kind of what is this what Code for America kind of does is like, try and get the big data online for every city so that citizens, you know, coders can do stuff like this. I mean, this is just obviously done for like, hey,

Jessamyn 30:42 citizen coders.

mathowie 30:45 This is obviously done for fun, just like yeah, how much is Dodger Stadium worth? And it's not assessed that high, it seems like it's worth more than

Jessamyn 30:51 Wow, that's exactly it, right? Like, all of a sudden, you're like, wait a second, these are tax dodgers like the NFL, the NFL pays, like, no fucking taxes, you know, and you just watch them like, it's a license to print money being an NFL franchise, and yet taxes don't come in and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like it's worth under standing that like, remember when you learned to, like, General Electric didn't pay any taxes. And you were like, wait a second, I thought, you know, companies, they pay taxes, too, right? Well, not really. Not not in the same way because of reasons. And so it's interesting to look at that and learn things.

mathowie 31:28 I remember sitting down with an accountant and talking about business stuff. And they were like, well, you can spend X on taxes are being spent half of x on lawyers and not pay any of those taxes. And I remember thinking making

Jessamyn 31:42 these decisions, and especially with the insinuation that maybe you're a little stupid if you pay taxes. Yeah. And you're like those, those pay for roads and libraries. And you know, snowplows for me, for God's sakes, like they're important things. Right? But your your tax guy will be like, Why don't you just keep paying other rich people to help? The poor? Yeah. Worst.

mathowie 32:11 Justin, what do you think of I loved your post on Medium about the death? Like what to do in the aftermath? Yeah. That was by sad. So of course I read it was great. I thought, Oh, my God, you know, if I passed away tomorrow, like, Okay, do they know how to get into my phone?

Jessamyn 32:33 You are the one closest of all of us that has more nearly died more recently. I'm sort of surprised you haven't maybe handled this?

mathowie 32:40 Oh, well, I mean, we have living trusts, we have all this stuff set up. But like could

Jessamyn 32:44 k like, get into your email and, or whatever. Like,

mathowie 32:49 I need to write down my last pass. You know, I have like one password that rules them all. But then you also have to get in my phone, but then everything's my thumbprint. But you can go around, you know? Well, you know, like a thumb drive, like Kate

Jessamyn 33:08 and I share my sister and I share a safe deposit box. And so I wrote down like my top level passwords that unlock the other passwords and just put it in the box. I sent you guys a picture of my password envelope in a box. But I mean, it's serious, right? My father really handled most of the password stuff. But the tricky shit wasn't the passwords. The tricky shit was the stuff like the lights that had special rules that we didn't know. Or like, Oh, if the power goes out, you have to flip this little dongle on the on the water pump, or else the water won't come back on. Like he just knew it, and it wouldn't even occur to him. Like he didn't even know No, it was a thing he knew. You know what I mean? And yet my sister and I were like the house is fucked. We have to pay plumbers 1000s of dollars and it was just he had to move this little piece of metal two inches. We didn't but we didn't know. And there's still stuff like that. Of course you know what's amusing is it's metal filter, right? So on the one hand, there was an adorable like, everybody could tell like, oh, that Bradbury story. We all talk about that all the time and I'm like I know I put it in there because I knew you guys would like it. But then there's also people who were like let's try to reverse engineer your own troubleshooting of the basement and I was like fuck you guys we are so not doing this. But I can like it was just super well meaning but people were like wait a second what if and, you know those those are my people but I do encourage people to give people ways to an instructions to access your your real life stuff that isn't just your digital stuff.

mathowie 34:47 Lines are getting really convoluted. I've played with X 10 stuff for the last like 10 years and now I'm on you know Internet of Things flights and yeah, and I realized if anyone else in my family wanted to change the time Since the front or front light goes on and off, you'd have to have my phone and and massage recipe that's baked into an app like it's crazy.

Jessamyn 35:09 Right? Right. Right. That kind of stuff is and you know, that was the deal with like the alarm on my father's house. And part of reading the article was I didn't want to go to into just how simple some of the passwords were and, and just how much I had to lie about things in order because you know, somebody else could probably figure it out just whatever, looking at photographs in my Flickr Photo Stream, and then rewire my alarm system, you know what I mean from the internet? So some of it was pulling punches. But yeah, it was it was a fun thread to go talk to me fights about. And we just mentioned that we'll talk about meta talk later, there was a thread in meta talk about, you know, remembering meta filter,

Cortex 35:52 if you are someone who knows you to let this site that you care about and cares about you know that you died so that

Jessamyn 35:58 because most of the deceased members that we learn about are from either other mefites who have known them, or in some cases, people who just knew that people had a connection or an attachment to Metafilter. And let the mods know so. So hey, you people.

Cortex 36:15 Tell someone in your life about Mina filter,

mathowie 36:17 put it in your password envelope?

Jessamyn 36:19 Yeah, put it in your password envelope or your Google document with the rest of your passwords or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, I enjoyed that. It was fun to talk to people about it. And again, like I was off doing something else and didn't even see this post for a while. And then I came home and was like, Oh my God, how do you guys?

mathowie 36:39 Hi, it's hard to balance the like security. I mean, some of this is like, I guess it points out where you can socially hack other people by just saying hide, kinda which is disturbing. But then well,

Cortex 36:53 you know, it's one of those locks keep out on as people things too. You can really get concerned about what a malicious actor could do if they're actually dedicated, acting maliciously, but you know, how much of your life right So

Jessamyn 37:07 Lincoln tire systems for the one whatever that guy's name was, he's gone from my gone from my memory, but building entire systems because you're gonna have one bad actors. Yeah, not a good use of anybody's resources. Exactly. Unless you're the space program or something where that kind of stuff super matters.

mathowie 37:25 Anyone else? Somebody favorite?

Cortex 37:26 I've got so many I haven't mentioned. Oh, yeah. I like to there's this post by Charles minus about a series of drum instructional videos called Rational funk by a guy named Dave King. And he is drummer for a band. I like jazz trio called the bad plus, I made a post about them a few years ago, and I discovered them accidentally on the

Jessamyn 37:48 radio. It's just that naked drummer.

Cortex 37:51 I don't know if he's naked. And the point I don't he's not naked in the main video length. And I

mathowie 37:56 was like a muscular Mike. Anyways,

Cortex 37:59 he's a funny guy. They're a great band. He's a great drummer. And the videos are very, very weird, intentionally like humorous persona of douche Enos like almost no drum instruction in these drum instructional videos. And I think the videos are very funny, but I also I also, sort of like how much people disagreed about whether or not it was a good thing to watch in the thread. Because you got to mix people who I think had the same reaction that I did was like, oh, man, this guy is great. He is doing a great job of being an unlikable like, distracted douchebag drummer instructor and then somebody were like, This guy is a terrible drum instructor and he seems like a douche. You know? It's like it's totally a Rorschach. But yeah, really funny. I I liked that band. And I like that guy's a rational funk.

mathowie 38:49 I mean, this is a send up of like, 80s guitar videos or like they were barely about guitars. It was mostly like does

Cortex 38:56 intentionally a giant pile of attitude and distractions and whatnot. You know, the Yeah, so yeah. Highly recommended. possibly recommend whether or not you think you'd like because you don't like it you can enjoy finding the guy completely intolerable. So

mathowie 39:11 plus is cool. And that to me, they started as like a joke band like they just do like hard rock jazz covers of like famous music. So like kind of came off kind of weird ally to me when I first heard them but then their own. Like, original Jazz stuff is amazing. Yeah. And

Cortex 39:29 they can really relate them I like I like their takes on pop music because I enjoy hearing people do weird covers and whatnot. And they they have a very specific style that I immediately got on board with when I first heard covers, like I think I tripped across a they had a cover of Radiohead song karma police that I only realize what it was when they sort of came back like I tuned in like halfway through the song, the gestation and so it was very much off doing its own thing and then it sort of came lumbering back Around to one of the chorus hooks is like what what all the shit this is this is karma police and yeah so no, they're they're super great Another thing I've liked as much for the discussion as anything because I haven't sat down and watched it yet and I haven't made up my mind about how I feel about watching it is a post made by Arsenio Hall and Warren Oates about Steven Soderbergh sat down just as a hobbyist project because he does this sort of thing.

Jessamyn 40:26 So this really happened like Joe.

Cortex 40:29 So yeah, Steven Soderbergh director sat down and recut. 2001 A Space Odyssey to be 110 minutes long,

Jessamyn 40:38 as opposed to

Cortex 40:40 oh, yeah, it's it's much longer hours. I want to say that you have to really go to 2001. So yeah, yeah, cut a bunch out. And it's interesting, because you get, I get, like almost the same thing as with a doorman was you have a mix of people like, Hey, this is really interesting. I like what he did this to people. Like, why would you do that? You can't do that. That's terrible. You know, I can see both like, I was a high school Kubrick fan. So like, I, you can't find a more intolerable Kubrick fan than that. But apparently, I've sort of gotten a lot more moderated over time and gotten a lot more into sort of like remix culture, because like, I'm like, Yeah, this is a great idea. I don't know if it's going to be something that I'm going to care about, as, you know, a cinematic landmark or anything, but yeah, why not sit down and see if you can do something else with 2001. And, you know,

Jessamyn 41:24 or any overlong movie, I would like to see him do that with Interstellar. Yeah, which I just saw over the weekend, and was happy to see that the fanfare thread that it started in November was actually still basically slow emotionally going so that I could kind of read through it and be like, Oh, the sound was just really bad.

mathowie 41:47 A friend has asked me about that movie, I haven't seen it. And I was like, um, I don't have a lot of opinions about it. I

Jessamyn 41:53 enjoyed having watched it. But it's maddening with some of its kind of pseudo plot holes, and some of the sound is deliberately difficult, which means there's some really key points where a key character is saying a key thing. And it's all mumbles with swelling music behind it. And at first I thought it was because I stole a copy off the internet. And that's just what and that's just what you get for like shitty stolen copies. But it turned out no, it would have been just as shitty and IMAX only I would have paid more and been angrier.

Cortex 42:21 Well, the sound mix was done by Bill Murray's character in loss of translate,

Jessamyn 42:26 which comes up in the fanfare thread, because the whole part was supposed to be kind of obscure and what happened and whatever. But this is literally like a dying character is like the important part is you're like, What the fuck really? So I could go to the fan fish read and have people actually say, yep, that's how it happened. So it's just

Cortex 42:48 been from dark neck rises all over again. Right? It's just like, yeah, just do like not being able to hear people. Speaking speaking of movies, Oh, okay. After you my dear Alphonse.

Jessamyn 43:03 Thank you. I just wanted to say I enjoyed this very long kind of fun post by flex. Talking about names. It starts off with the thing that a lot of us probably saw six names that are disproportionally common and 37 professions, like racecar drivers are named Robbie and Johnny and Bobby and Kimmy, and electrical engineers are Eugene Harvey. Alfred Charles farmers are Delbert Marlin, Dwayne and Elwood, venture capitals. capitalists are Doug and Alexander and Nicholas and Shawn. But then it kind of goes on with a whole bunch more fun links about names and time of the year dating prospects and names, trendy baby names, how to name a baby ate hot baby name trends, et cetera. It's just it's a it's a it's a romp of a ramp of a post. And there's,

Cortex 43:57 there's a lot of name trends about those hot babies.

Jessamyn 44:02 Leviathan. How would you like to have a name? Eventually?

mathowie 44:06 That'd be epic. Jalen, as a boy, that's weird. This pop. Oh man.

Cortex 44:14 They're on your lawn. Man.

mathowie 44:15 These are all the hot trendy names on

Jessamyn 44:17 your lawn. Animated state by state map but the most popular girl's name since 1960. You guys have probably seen that with the the attack of the Jennifers

mathowie 44:30 1984. Yes. Yeah. I didn't know Matt was the tack of maths in like 1982 or something.

Cortex 44:40 There were a lot of Josh's in the late 70s In particular, I think so. I was just sort of a wagon. Jumper wagon bandwagon.

Jessamyn 44:49 Yeah. Say it again.

Cortex 44:51 Wagan you gotta get an awakened and run from the dragon

Jessamyn 44:56 and not non divisive names. You know, Joshua is a non divisive name.

Cortex 45:03 Oh yeah, everybody can the Jews are okay with it the Christians are okay with it.

Jessamyn 45:08 Everyone, everyone Okay, can I look up my name somewhere and

mathowie 45:14 you know the baby name navigator Polly tells you popularity, like a little gives you a little graph. I like this thread about chocolates made to represent Japanese on Amana Pedic Pedic public public words describe texture just because my daughter is learning Japanese and the objects. The other day she was describing something in Japanese that had nothing remotely in English, it was kind of like, oh, well, it was something in English that we have two meanings for but but they had two different words for a god I can't remember what it was. No, it wasn't like there in there. It was something more specific. But it was like, Oh, well, like the table top counter. When you when you say it, you It depends on the gender of it. And like it was really weird of like, wow, like, that's so specific. Like it was that so I sent this to her Japanese teacher who thought it was the greatest thing in the world.

Cortex 46:16 There's no There's no shape for tuna tuna or daddy, daddy.

mathowie 46:21 I liked the smooth edges and corners, chocolate looks pretty cool.

Jessamyn 46:24 I like all those chocolates, they look awesome. But it's a great post too, you know, just because it talks about it. And it's limited edition and very cool and be sold at an event in Paris and blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes, I like that. It was pretty cool.

Cortex 46:41 There's a post just the other day. And sort of in my wheelhouse at this point from Brundlefly about the covers of horror movies and the like VHS tapes, you know, especially the idea of like, you know, and this is sort of a lot a lot of the thread became about people talking about their experiences as kids wandering around the video store, looking at the covers of horror movies, in the horror section, like you know, you're a kid and you can't have I said your parents are like wandering around, trying to decide what to rent and so you're killing some time. And so you're looking at the hormones, and I'd spent a ton of time doing that, like the local video store. Share house. So yeah, there's a bunch of it's just a fun bunch of fun, random memories from people talking about the things that traumatize them as kids basically

Jessamyn 47:32 Well, this post is awesome. It's clearly like a you know, website from whatever, like the late 90s early aughts.

Cortex 47:41 Yeah, the classic the exploring link

Jessamyn 47:43 is Yeah,

mathowie 47:44 I think as a kid I used to do the same thing wondering like a blockbuster. And if I saw the Chucky doll on a cover, like I would have nightmares, just the idea of that cover anything with little dummies?

Cortex 48:03 Also just a real quick one. Perpetual pizza

Jessamyn 48:08 is this what I think it is? It's

Cortex 48:09 perpetual dot pizza. It's just a slice of pizza. That where that comes from maybe

mathowie 48:16 I've seen people passing the gift around whatever came from

Jessamyn 48:19 loading pizza

mathowie 48:21 Why is it take so long there we go.

Cortex 48:24 It just takes it a minute

Cortex 48:38 get that whole sort of zoom effect. Oh man. I've been the

Jessamyn 48:44 relation to follow embarrassing revelation from Josh to follow Oh

Cortex 48:47 no, I'm actually just more realizing this is me totally just randomly changed the subject because of zoom Enos. But I've been playing a bunch of a game called Elite Dangerous the last week it's a you're flying through space, buying stuff and selling it for more at other systems and shooting at Space Pirates and so on. And so you're flying around. It's like a 3d flight sim sort of setting. You know, you're driving around a spaceship. But you play enough of that and you get raises or like rolling left and right and up and down. And I found myself staring at web pages that aren't moving and feeling like maybe they're moving a little bit. It's

Jessamyn 49:20 like when you get off the boat. Feels just a little Yeah,

Cortex 49:25 every everything everything standing still feels like it's rocking a little bit because you've gotten so acclimated to the actual rocking.

mathowie 49:33 That's awesome. Any other posts,

Jessamyn 49:37 just a short list. I have more asked me to filter posts that I enjoyed.

Cortex 49:41 Well, I'll knock out a couple more Mefi here because I'm heavy on that this this month heavy on the MEPhI heavy on them FYI, but Josh Maillard story. I really liked this Twin Peaks, sort of synth remix project. This was posted by Kate monkey I'm just some group of people who did a bunch of covers of songs off of the Twin Peaks soundtrack, but it's more of like a, like 1984 ish. You know, sort of synth and 80s Pop production sort of style. And it's if you'd like that soundtrack, it's great. If you don't know that soundtrack, it's kind of great. Some of them are a little bit more close to the original with just like slightly different sounds. Some of them are more like really active reinterpretations of the field, like a couple of the songs on the album, on the real soundtrack, and there's a bunch of Julie crews on the Twin Peaks soundtrack. And she her band has this real sort of like downtempo, dreamy sort of like 50s 60s Pop thing going on, sort of put through some quail Lutz. You know, I really, I really like it. I really enjoyed that that album into the night that was, you know, more or less than unofficial Twin Peaks soundtrack album. But it is a very specific sort of slow laid back thing. And this takes a couple of songs and actually turns them into more like up tempo pop songs, which was really interesting to hear that sort of transformation that really sort of just

Jessamyn 51:12 was designed to like, evoke a certain feel, or whatever.

Cortex 51:17 Yeah, and suddenly, it has a very different feel, which is pretty cool. So I really liked that. It's some nice listening. Nice listening music. So that's my review of that.

mathowie 51:28 shortcut for 1980s stuff is just black backgrounds with pink or green lasers.

Jessamyn 51:34 Any any lasers,

mathowie 51:36 lasers, everyone knows that Sears and background or something they put you in 1984

Cortex 51:41 And here's one that you'll know if you want it or if you don't without me saying more than about 10 words about it. A supercut of all the epiphanies Jessica Fletcher had in Murder She Wrote so there you go. It's it's just a lot of her going. Oh, you know and realizing something.

mathowie 51:59 I've never watched an episode never never ever. I don't think I

Jessamyn 52:06 have ever either. Never

Cortex 52:10 used to watch an episode sometime. I mean it's not but you know it's interesting watch Veronica Mars yet

Jessamyn 52:16 i i have catching up to do I know.

Cortex 52:20 I missed better than this. Better than Murder She Wrote. It's definitely a probably more modern and cleverly written like, I don't know, I mean, I feel like Murder She Wrote is good to watch an episode of the same way any other sort of like Classic Detective ish, is if you have any interest in that larger genre, because like you can sort of sit and get a pretty good idea even in one episode of specifically how they decided to tackle that. And, and you know, sort of like so I guess like detective TV, cultural literacy. It's worth sitting through an episode for you know, I watched an episode of That watch an episode of Colombo watch an episode of Perry Mason, you know, it's none of it's going to be super exciting TV. They weren't, you know, exciting shows but but you know, they're they're watchable. They've got good leads. And it's interesting to sort of see the different takes on this stuff throughout sort of TV history is my thought. You get sort of Khan Academy herself a television, armchair Detective 101. Class,

Jessamyn 53:20 I would enjoy that. I would enjoy that.

Cortex 53:22 Yeah, that could be that could be like a book club thing on fanfare we could do like a series instead of because I think there's a very few people who are gonna be like, Yeah, let's watch 200 episodes of Murder She Wrote but I think it was like, Hey, let's watch one episode each of these six things in a

Jessamyn 53:38 row and expect there Linley and whatever,

Cortex 53:41 yeah, and sort of do that as a comparative detective ology thing could be a lot of fun. Anyway, one more thing I will mention from Metafilter. Because this is just cool is there was a MEPhI zone sort of situation, where there was a post about the solving of a specific variation of of poker, as opposed to Jeff homophone made this post rounded up a few links on the solution. By some University of Alberta researchers have a specific kind of two player limit Hold'em poker, which is not all of poker, it's it's a conveniently constrained variation that doesn't have as big of a decision tree so it's more possible to solve it. But basically, it it's a system that's good enough that basically it cannot play badly. Sort of like solving checkers but slightly different approach where it's not so much we know literally every move rather, we have a good enough thing. sticks that will always work. It's functionally perfect. You know, it's perfect within like point oh, 6% which is computation.

Jessamyn 54:48 do is get the edge right. I mean, since it's Poker,

Cortex 54:51 yeah. And so it basically gives you a method for always making the correct decision even without knowing what the other person has, which is the tricky thing because there's hidden gems. Measurement poker. So unlike chess where you know, literally what's on the board with poker, you have to guess what someone else has. And this manages to work even in the face of not having that information. But the neat thing is, aside from that just being sort of neat is it then leads to some discussion, people talking about solving versus not solving, you know, how much of poker matters, but then fully completely pipes up in the thread. And he's one of the one of the guys who worked on this. And he was like, hey, here I am, you know, he's been around forever. And he's like, oh, yeah, I told you. And so he talks a bunch about the work and answer some questions from another user who's like, hey, my, my crazy colleague says, blah, blah, blah. Is it crazy? You know?

Jessamyn 55:45 My colleague is crazy.

Cortex 55:46 Yeah. But anyway, it's really neat. It's really neat. And I was like, when that happens, and this is a particularly great example of someone really showing up and digging in and being helpful about discussing their work. So yeah. To me, awesome job, everybody. Nice. And then I can probably stop, but we can move on to AskMe edit filter, if you want.

Jessamyn 56:06 Shure AskMe to filter always great. We have one that is super timely that I enjoyed, which was basically from a couple days ago, do the four major US professional sports teams have secret plans on how to proceed with the League and the league schedule in the event of a catastrophe such as a plane crash to one of the teams? Wow, that's really interesting point. Well, and the answer is, yeah, they totally do, because they're a giant, multi million dollar business. And so, yeah, you have to basically, I mean, see, see also where the passwords stored, right? It's all like contingency plan stuff. So team disasters, a disaster draft designed to restock the team, blah, blah, blah. So it's confidential, but it does actually exist. And there's a Wikipedia page, which I have not looked at on the disaster draft.

mathowie 57:03 Well, it's good to know what word you're looking forward to better search. Disaster draft is like the secret word I did not know. That was

Jessamyn 57:12 apparently this really happened to the continental Hockey League. Continental with a K. So it's the Russian Hockey League. There was a train disaster that killed the entire traveling roster

Cortex 57:24 cheeses. Oh, yeah.

Jessamyn 57:28 Fascinating, super fascinating stuff.

mathowie 57:34 Sweet. My absolute favorite post was when an orb asking like, what is your favorite small town? In? What state?

Jessamyn 57:49 You know? Oh, in my state, like that was supposed to be the thing.

mathowie 57:53 If I was gonna check out one or two tiny small towns that are very special. And you know, your favorite state or your home state? What would they be? Yeah, there's, this is like the best travel blog in the world.

Jessamyn 58:04 Yeah, it's great. Well, and especially I mean, Moon orb wanted special stuff like Main Street parks, architecture, cafe, canvases, movie theaters, street farm, you know, public libraries, hiking trails. So it definitely gets a certain type of small town. But yeah, I enjoyed reading through this myself.

mathowie 58:22 It's great. If you look at somewhere, you know, I'm super familiar with pretty much all of California. And every town mentioned, California is very small and very precise, and very, like very cool. And none of them are, you know, most people that don't have never lived there. Probably haven't heard of them.

Jessamyn 58:38 I think I was the only person who mentioned Vermont.

mathowie 58:42 Which one did you pick?

Jessamyn 58:44 I just said Montpelier, because it's the only one that has enough stuff like most of our small towns are so small. They don't have like movie theaters and blahdy blahdy blah, but I also said Glover, which has the bread and Puppet Museum, and then up in Derby line that has that awesome library that's right on the border between the US and Canada. But you know, it's challenging, right, because a lot of these towns don't have a main street. I mean, I guess my town has a lot of this stuff. But like, you know, you don't have a city park and a tiny town. You know what I mean? Yeah, so some are a cafe unique architecture. I mean, some of its specific to medium sized small towns, not like 150 people, small towns. Yeah. But yeah, I very much like that thread. Speaking of travel once, I liked Mr. Marley's Hey, my kid, memorize the states through the 50 nifty United States songs. Give me some other songs where you can memorize useful education lists. That's great. And so the elements songs John Carlton's President Song South American capitals and country songs. I need to know some of this stuff because I am so terrible at trivia.

mathowie 59:56 I had to learn this in high school and this jokey kid Chemistry teacher forced us to memorize like the first eight elements on the periodic table by just making by just doing a song of it and you just memorized it, and then you just wrote it down. Like, pretty pointless, but I still remember about half of them.

Jessamyn 1:00:13 Well, and it's weird, right? Because it's one of those things where it's definitely useful to understand the periodic table and how it all goes together. But like, people treat it as its own kind of closed set trivia thing. We had a question in my trivia league this week, which was, which letter isn't in the periodic table?

Cortex 1:00:34 letter from Birmingham jail. I hate you.

mathowie 1:00:39 Does that count all the crazy lanthanides you know, stuff counts

Jessamyn 1:00:43 all the ones which which it counts the abbreviations. Not the names of the not that

mathowie 1:00:50 weird molecular ones are made in the lab? Like, you know, lawrencium is all those 120 Kind of? I don't, because there's some cues down below that were like Made in Russia that maybe don't count. I don't. There's probably LZ and Kenzie, right, so I just queue but that's only in the queue

Jessamyn 1:01:11 has it's in you, you queue you need an ATM or whatever.

mathowie 1:01:16 Yeah, that sounds right. Those count or if isn't a cue like au silver? A G is gold. To what was his answer? Is it p or something? Reason?

Jessamyn 1:01:28 vanadium? I think Xinzheng zinc? Yeah, the answer is J A surprisingly. I know right? Because I'm gonna learn some of these songs. Josh. Or me? Yeah, true Jess minium.

Cortex 1:01:47 We need to collaborate to discover an element. Let's just enjoy that. We'll just go mining for esoteric matter.

mathowie 1:01:56 When you said there's no j element. I'm like, but it's worth eight points. I see. Like, that has to be a, an Element. And it's not. That's right. Damn. Damn. Damn.

Cortex 1:02:09 That seems like something that would like be a big hit on Buzzfeed is like the periodic table of Scrabble tiles, it would just be a dumb faux table of Scrabble tiles laid out in a vaguely periodic table sort of way. And to get a billion hits somehow. Somehow, somehow, because people are dumb basically, application access of my company.

mathowie 1:02:30 I love this post, I would vote it most improved. Was this post went up the other night. By Elise that was like, the original posts, as written was something like, you know, I've been told I should save up for experiences instead of things. So open ended give me any experimentation like enjoy period, and like people five days. So I deleted it and exchanged some email with them. And they wrote an awesome like, this is how old I am no kids and how much money to spend. This is the kind of place that we'll see in the world. And it's just an awesome, like life changing experiences that you can afford kind of, you know, that are a ginormous list. And went from Yeah, like, like, what exactly are you looking forward to like exactly what they're looking for. It was very cool. Nice.

Cortex 1:03:24 Speaking of things that are topical, asked me a question from a few days ago, from Admiral haddock, saying, basically, there was a blizzard.

Jessamyn 1:03:37 He bought a house and he asks a question a week about his house and he always seems just on the brink of a meltdown, even though I suspect he's actually a completely capable and competent dude. I've never seen this much No, or lived in a house before or lived in a town before. This is great. It's a great question. All his questions should be consolidated into a book of First Time Home Ownership there.

mathowie 1:04:03 Shouldn't be called Don't freak out. Write your guide to your first house. This was so great. They said this mega sorry

Jessamyn 1:04:09 for the naive and slightly panic tone, but I'm living in a post apocalyptic Snowpiercer landscaping cannibalism is not far off.

mathowie 1:04:17 This one had the epic comment from James Brown about like, here's what to do. Here's how you'll live through a long blizzard. Here's how to do it. Here's where you put the snow. Here's where you don't put the snow. It's amazing. And I didn't know any of this. Like I'd be right there. With that rule how to on this one. I have no idea what to do in snow. And this is like fascinating. But you

Jessamyn 1:04:38 solve that problem by not living somewhere. You know, I mean, this guy moved to Massachusetts.

Cortex 1:04:44 That's what I say never moved to Massachusetts. I keep telling people

Jessamyn 1:04:47 lived in Massachusetts. I

Cortex 1:04:48 moved home you know. I stayed in dorms and a co round

Jessamyn 1:04:54 there. Your snow for you? Yep.

Cortex 1:04:57 Yep. I just didn't go to class if it was no Knowing you know,

mathowie 1:05:00 to work with old neighbors tell you like it's okay to pile snow against the foundation. Like, that was something I never thought of. And it's okay that foundations actually

Jessamyn 1:05:11 your house will stay warmer if if you know it's windy and cold as shit outside. But if you have snow piled against the house, that's actually it helps insulate your basement and stuff like that. But you've got to dig out your dryer vent for example, my sister was dealing with,

mathowie 1:05:26 well, this was like don't worry about it because the dryer will probably open itself up but Sophos

Jessamyn 1:05:30 says the birds are gonna starve if you don't keep feeding them. And that's not true. So

Cortex 1:05:37 that's bird birds didn't exist until there were people living in houses before that

Jessamyn 1:05:41 there is like if you started feeding the birds, you have to feed them all winter because they get used to you realistically, birds are fine. Like if

Cortex 1:05:50 it seems like they would pretty quickly get used to you not feeding them be like fuck this. I'm going somewhere else for food, right? It's not

Jessamyn 1:05:55 like oh, the McDonald's close. I guess we'll die. Like they figure it out. I enjoyed speaking of threads that speak to me personally. The downward spiral. Tell me what it was like for a junior high girl to get a perm in the 80s. I got a perm in the 80s. I told them what it was like. And so did a lot of other women on metal filter women and men actually because like 80s were like trendy perm time, like tons of people got perms, you know, for various reasons. And so it was super interesting both to tell my story which I only vaguely remember at this point to tell you the truth, and reading other people's stories of getting perms back when perms were popular.

Cortex 1:06:46 And I had I had no content like I know perms are a thing like sisters. Well, yeah, but that wasn't talked to them about their hair. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure notice they got perms and I didn't really notice a whole lot going on with my sisters. I was really usually busy reading or or, you know, playing video games. They were older sisters. I didn't really care about hair at all. I certainly wasn't concerned what sort of thing my sisters were doing to their hair.

mathowie 1:07:11 How long does it last?

Cortex 1:07:14 Like it's permanent. That's why

mathowie 1:07:17 my mom got him. Yeah, you guys are like a vaudeville act. My mom got him from like 80 to 80, early 80s. The late 80s I just t always had curly hair when I was a kid but I guess those were perms and then short hair was a little bit straighter and it was fine.

Jessamyn 1:07:33 They relax a little bit because you know your hair is heavy when it when it grows in. But yeah, then they grow out at the roots. And so you know, there's a whole you know, I don't even know what you call it, but a whole like set of steps your I'd never got another one actually, like didn't enjoy it. I mean, it looks fine, I guess but I mean, that's what I always say like it's the curly straight thing, right? Like if you've got straight hair, especially like in the 80s like you wanted curly hair super bad. And you're like, it's the best thing. Curly hair is the only good kind of hair blah, blah, blah. Then you meet people with curly hair. And they're exactly the opposite. Like, oh my god straight hair. I wish my hair was straight. Like I have some friends who have straight hair. Who it turns out have naturally curly hair and they've just straightened it my whole life that I've known them because they want it so bad. I've had

Cortex 1:08:25 that conversation with with Angela actually, because she's got naturally very curly hair. She's got lovely hair, and I've got straight hair and yeah, it's totally that thing. We're like, oh, man, it's it's neat how your hair has like any actual body to it. And he's like, yeah, it's neat how your hair is not a giant curly fucking mess.

Jessamyn 1:08:42 Yeah, but that helped me with a lot of like, body image issues growing up like I don't like this about me. Yeah, well, somebody who has, the other thing really wants that. So try to, you know, to what you have that will actually work better.

Cortex 1:08:57 I love all the little details in the show. There's a comment from Biblio wench just saying I worked as a shampoo girl at a salon in the late 80s Apparently she's she's Christopher Walken. And one of my jobs was taking the curlers out of perms and then rinsing the hair for the entire time I worked there my hands would smell like perm chemicals. Whenever they got wet. It was held that would that would that sort of thing would kill

Jessamyn 1:09:18 the chemicals are horrible because what they're basically doing is melting the the the natural lay of your hair and freezing it in a new way. So it's just yeah, I think perms are a little bit more civilized nowadays, though. I don't have any. I don't have any reason I believe that burns.

Cortex 1:09:40 That's a more elegant perm for a more civilized age. And so what you're saying,

Jessamyn 1:09:44 Now, I'm not saying that okay, sure,

Cortex 1:09:47 because I don't know. That'd be pretty good reference if you were,

Jessamyn 1:09:50 I don't even understand it. Star Wars The

Cortex 1:09:53 lightsaber. The lightsaber was a more elegant weapon was an elegant weapon for a more civilized something like that. So Obi Wan says some shit like that during the first movie.

mathowie 1:10:03 And this is my favorite. I think this is one of our classic crowd pleasers, it's probably one of the most popular posts of the month.

Jessamyn 1:10:08 Good books to read.

mathowie 1:10:11 Most engrossing history books are easy to read, which is pretty specific. And there's

Cortex 1:10:15 a tabular history like large print editions.

mathowie 1:10:19 Know, that is what I love about like kindles the most.

Jessamyn 1:10:23 That is what libraries love about Kindles. I like

mathowie 1:10:26 I don't have to have two copies of everything, right? Like, I can take off my glasses and crank up the font, and I feel fine. It's amazing. But

Jessamyn 1:10:35 yeah, I have to say it is the strongest argument for ebooks in libraries that I know of, is not having to buy stupid, large print books anymore.

mathowie 1:10:45 But yes, so these are tons of awesome history books that I will queue up on my Kindle,

Cortex 1:10:52 there was a I usually stay away from more controversial type stuff. And this had a little bit of like grumpiness attached to it. But it was also it seemed like a really good thread, there was a AskMe a thread. The title for it was bitching business. And it was let's see, who was this? Arm? nomnom basically saying, Hey, I'm trying to put together a list of things that get sort of said to ambitious women and business contacts. Oh, great. It's a nice big collection. There was a there's a little bit of grousing, and I think I had to delete a couple comments were like, oh, yeah, well, you know, men haven't heard too. And it's like, good. Men may have it hard to at times. But that's not really, the question was,

mathowie 1:11:34 yeah, these were fascinating and amazing. Some of them are just, these blew my mind, you know, like, like, professional academic sense. Like, you think academics would be above this. And it's just, it's horrible. Smile more on like a PhD, like recommendation. Are you serious?

Jessamyn 1:11:54 Well, in some of the shit, like, you know, like the thing like being asked to take notes in a meeting, right? Where like, if it just happens to you, and you're female, and it happens to you, once you're like, whatever, like, it's a one off. And then you see 100 women talking about how they're the lead engineer on the project, and they get asked to take notes during a meeting and you're like, oh, like it's total shitty gendered. shittiness it never occurred to me. I just figured I'm good with notes, you know, but I am very good notes. So it's hard sometimes to like turn down the opportunity. And yet yeah, I love this read. Loved it. And you didn't do it that much. Actually,

Cortex 1:12:33 yeah, no, just a couple little things. So it wasn't too bad. I was I was kind of, I think, to some extent, I am carrying the psychic weight of expecting to have had to write but then it really turned out not to be too much work. So

Jessamyn 1:12:45 because it was mostly asking for anak data. Like Tell me what happened to you. So the answers aren't wrong.

Cortex 1:12:51 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it's in that sense. It's a little bit yeah, it's it's borderline chatty, but not really too bad the way it was set up. So

Jessamyn 1:13:00 well, I did had a thing. Like I'm trying to I'm making a list like making a list is a completely legitimate reason to exactly ask a question.

mathowie 1:13:10 Some people said it was like, disheartening, and I mean, like,

Cortex 1:13:16 life tends to be

mathowie 1:13:20 to read 200 of these in a row. I was really bummed after I was done with it. But you know, my eyes are opened way wider. And I was like, holy cow. I got God this is yeah, it's a lot to take. But yeah, this is reality.

Jessamyn 1:13:36 Yes, that is reality.

mathowie 1:13:39 The moment that brought this home for me it was when I spoke on a panel at South by Southwest and I was the only guy in there for women that were sitting in the greenroom talking and Gina Trapani was the was the moderator. But when

Jessamyn 1:13:51 he co moderator, I was on up Gina panel.

mathowie 1:13:55 A while I was on it, I can remember we were talking about freelancing or something. It was just all women in me and then like, Dude from South by Southwest walks over and like, told me talk to me. And was like, you know, sir, you need to be ready in five minutes, and I will

Jessamyn 1:14:09 lead you like these are not my women.

mathowie 1:14:12 I know. I'm like, you know, I'm not the moderator. Tina is here with me. He was like, Oh, I'm sorry, but it was really gross.

Jessamyn 1:14:22 Well, and that's the problem, right? Like one individual thing. Hey, that guy probably meant well, blah, blah, blah. It was just his assumption. And then over time, well, it's 100,000 times a day to 100,000 Women becomes exhausting and like okay, well take responsibility for your shit, everyone. And yeah, reading that thread was frustrating.

Cortex 1:14:46 Any other asked me? That's all

Jessamyn 1:14:48 I don't think so. I had some music notes. Actually, this time around. You wanna?

Cortex 1:14:53 You wanna just hope you run with it? No, I'll clean up if there's some key stuff.

Jessamyn 1:14:59 Well, I only have one and basically and the follow up, which is Greg nog is very bad at identifying dogs. And so he saw a guy watching these two Bishan, freezes, freezes, freeze, say, and he made up a little song. And it's called, those aren't poodles. And it has, you know, a chorus, dog, dog, dog dog. And then Jim not on display heard this, and basically was like, you know, it sounds like kind of a punk anthem to me. And so made his own made his own version of it, which of course, I have now posted to the internet archives ops.

Jessamyn 1:15:44 Okay, so this is the cover. And these poor people, I don't know how they put up with me at all. And

mathowie 1:15:54 can you delete something after it goes? Yes. And

Jessamyn 1:15:56 I did. They're sort of used to me doing this. I think

mathowie 1:16:02 this happens in Slack, right? Like, I'm in five different slacks and like, people at Slack are talking about color coding each room like each things that you don't do.

Jessamyn 1:16:12 Some of them have like, I mean, like one of the ones that were in has a little icon so you can kind of tell if you're in that one, but I have a whole bunch that just have letters. And I'm never sure like, what slack is that? So at any rate, those are the two songs and one of them is Greg NOGs funny version and the other one is Jim's funny version of that version.

Cortex 1:16:32 I should do a cover of Jim song like it's the words wrong.

Jessamyn 1:16:36 God you should you should do a religious anthology about instead of dog dog dog, you should do it. God God God.

Cortex 1:16:43 Like, I don't know. I don't know if I could quite get the feel of like, Christian rock or not like horse you can. Of course, it's a very specific production style it maybe a little bit cleaner that I can usually manage. But that can be fun.

mathowie 1:16:58 Greg, nice voice sounds like yours, Josh, is that we have we have similar numbers, I guess. Yeah. It was like you've just vocal and feature in cortex.

Cortex 1:17:07 I think we just have similar larynxes. Wow. He's new

Jessamyn 1:17:16 capital idea.

Cortex 1:17:19 I did actually record a song recently. I'll tie this into the music stuff by by leaving with myself. I guess.

Jessamyn 1:17:27 We've all talked about ourselves. Matt, did you post a single thing to Metafilter this month? Yeah,

mathowie 1:17:31 I posted. I mentioned something I did. Post. Yeah. So

Cortex 1:17:34 Excellent. Well, the thing I recorded is a cover of the date. They might be giant song, you're racist friend in the style of Tori Amos, because I've been thinking about doing this for like the last month, month and a half since we started talking about the flood tribute album. And so I just did my best sort of Tory most pastiche, which is mostly about the piano. And then mispronouncing a few things in slightly odd ways was about the extent of my impression, but she's got a specific enough piano style that aping it a little bit.

Jessamyn 1:18:05 Well, I heard it, it was a little difficult to deal with just because I hate Tori Amos so much, but you did such a good job.

Cortex 1:18:13 I really liked her a lot. So I feel self conscious about not really getting it closer.

Jessamyn 1:18:17 I think you did a really good job,

mathowie 1:18:18 especially with any beta think of it because he would be the perfect Venn diagram.

Cortex 1:18:24 I tweeted, and he said something like, that's dot dot that kind of amazing. So I took that as well. And it's like, yeah, this is this is the perfect, weird cover for anybody who is both a huge They Might Be Giants fan, and a huge torinos fan, and has a good sense of humor about ruining songs by that specific

Jessamyn 1:18:43 fan of a fan of your work.

Cortex 1:18:46 Yeah, so you know, that small subset of people but the tribute album itself, we I know I've mentioned that like on the previous podcast, maybe previous to since that a long run up, but that's done. We the deadline was like basically the middle of last month, middle of January. And we got a whole album and some extra beside covers of a few songs. And the whole thing came together really great. It's it's a lot of fun to listen to. There's a bunch of very different takes on on on a bunch of the songs on the album. You know, some things are relatively straightforward covers, some get really sorted out there and stuff in between. And it's, it's, I'm really pleased with it. I think,

Jessamyn 1:19:26 Rachel thing and it was so great. Yeah, it's

Cortex 1:19:29 just fun to you can go through the whole thing. And it's, it's it's fab boo.

Jessamyn 1:19:33 It's very listenable. And if you were somebody who used to have flood on repeat all the time as I did, it's super fun listening to other people's takes on stuff

mathowie 1:19:44 was an awesome project.

Cortex 1:19:45 And then the challenge after that has been the 10 second sample challenge, which the idea was basically take a 10 or so second sample of anything and use that as the some sort of Central bases for a song like you don't have to literally build the entire song out of just that sample, but, you know, use that as a prominent feature, at least, you know, do something with it. And people have been doing a bunch of those. And I've been enjoying these a lot. I'll mention a few real quick, they, they tend to be sort of on the really sort of constructed and cut and paste glitchy, variable electronic feeling side in various different ways, just because a lot of people have been taking them taking a sample than chopping up a bunch and using it for everything, that sort of thing. But there's not my voice by we are the music makers, which takes a sample of them saying this is not my voice while hungover and then sort of builds that and that that is a pretty cool one a really crazy masterclass in just manipulating audio is this one by the negative influence called 10 seconds of static, where they just took 10 seconds of literally just static, and used just that for everything and built a whole electronic track. With drum sounds, guitar sounds, just a really, really fantastic example of just how much you can tweak an arbitrary piece of audio to create a really wide variety of sounds and then make music that sounds

Jessamyn 1:21:15 that wow, I was just listening to that. That's amazing.

mathowie 1:21:18 It's just slowing it down and pitching it.

Cortex 1:21:20 Yeah, like a bunch of like, like pitch shifting EQ various transformations, you can do a lot to a piece of art made of garbage. And it's amazing. Like I think it'd be I think it'd be interesting actually, this is something that someone could, in theory, make like an Automatic plugin that like you could give it any given sample of sound and then we take that and perform the same set of tweaks to it and get like a custom variation on a twisted EQ, sample manipulation version of like some popular songs so like give it a MIDI give it us audio sample and then it would just like turn the audio sample into a you know, audio recording based on that MIDI maybe so suddenly, that'd be really awesome. But I don't want to do that. That sounds like a lot of work. So someone else out there get on it. And one other just because I mean there's there's a bunch of people are still making them but another one I liked was ramen bowl four by donkey Mon. And it's just another another nice piece of work. Another fun thing and this they used a chopstick they hit a ramen bowl is the sample they use as their central sample for this and then turn it into a song. So yeah, just neat stuff, people making a lot of cool things with that I've been thinking about doing something. Maybe Angeles suggested that I could do something with a sample of our cat. One of our cats is really noisy it at mealtime. She's just like Meryl, you know, really, really obnoxious. So I could I could probably sample that and turn it into some sort of cat piano situation if I wanted to

mathowie 1:22:56 be awesome. 10 seconds static.

Jessamyn 1:23:01 I think that's a great idea.

mathowie 1:23:02 If you hear static, it's okay for the first four to 10 seconds, and then they'll get better. I can imagine a round round. Gotta make that Josh?

Cortex 1:23:14 Well, I don't have a whole lot of skills in this particular territory. So we'll see what happens. I'm much more about just recording live instruments, and I'm about manipulating stuff. So I'd have to do some learning, but maybe it will maybe I'll get my learn on. So I recommend it get myself a copy of Ableton or something like that. Corner. Do we want to mention any metal talk stuff?

Jessamyn 1:23:37 How about the one about emoji? Oh, yeah. Because I can't say the title of it.

Cortex 1:23:44 I can't I get square boxes for the title of it on my main browser. I mean, it's funny actually, in. In Gmail, when we get the Gmail, we get the email about the meta talk posts showing up. The title of the email actually shows the monkey see monkey here monkey do emoji in there. But the content of the email itself well,

Jessamyn 1:24:08 that's it's don't see don't hear whatever.

Cortex 1:24:12 Yeah, see no.

mathowie 1:24:13 Evil do no evil. How is that possible that the tab title in Chrome works? It's possibly

Cortex 1:24:19 different fonts that fail differently. Like I assume, I assume part of the thing is like, people aren't including emoji in every single font. Like it's got to be a sub separate collection of stuff that just dynamically it pulls from either the actual display font or

mathowie 1:24:36 no more like why why did chrome implement emoji support entitled tab bars but not the window which they fixed so apparently, nightly made us all

Jessamyn 1:24:48 because they're monsters? Like why would you have to do

mathowie 1:24:51 it? But apparently, like in the next two weeks, every, every copy of Chrome will have emoji support. Apparently, it's just like it's gonna happen on the next year. date. So it will go away. It was just funny that we haven't had emoji in a title until like three weeks ago now we suddenly had four or five. And that's why this that's what sparked sort of fascinated

Jessamyn 1:25:10 by the fact that almost all the emojis look more or less the same. But then every now and again, someone will post like disco guy, but I get tangled lady. Oh, right. Yeah, like some, like a whole bunch of people do and I'm not sure how that happens. But I'm fascinated by it.

mathowie 1:25:27 The well the implementation of emoji is up to the person doing it. So androids are slightly androids emoji system is different than just like Twitter made its own emoji set. They like paid icon, the icon on guy, Craig Hockenberry paid him to make an entire copy. And I don't like him as much as I think the iOS ones are like a little bit cuter, and a little bit cuter. But then androids are like even funnier and sillier. But they're a completely different Yes. People say they get disco guy because I think it's it's like international symbol for dancing person or something. So, you know, emoji implements as a weird red dress lady, and then apparently and Tango lady, disco guy and like, yeah, yeah. And it's weird, you know, emojis, emojis. Weird. I can't tell if it's supposed to be like Vector Art. Because sometimes at larger sizes, it starts to get blurry. And there's reasons for that for some reason. But yeah, I guess that's, you know, I guess there'll be ubiquitous once chrome started supporting it.

Jessamyn 1:26:32 Well, and you know, as I mentioned in one of those threads, like I dated a guy who just got a smartphone this month. And so all we do is send each other emoji stuff. Because we haven't, you know, if I like I would use Siri and be like, it's eight degrees outside or whatever. And the degree sign he couldn't read on his dumb phone, which meant that it would crash and he'd have to text me like, Can you text me again, that crashed by saying and so it's, it's nice. All we do is text little fried eggs back and forth to each other, or, or

Cortex 1:27:07 whatever. There was a just just to maximize the possibility of people enjoying slash having friendships ruined. I want to point out there's a meta talk thread about a diplomacy game, there's a couple diplomacy games happening again. So if you still haven't had a chance to be stabbed in the back by your fellow community members, at a critical moment in your

Jessamyn 1:27:28 field, fuck your neighbor game.

Cortex 1:27:29 Yep. So that's going on if you want to get in on it.

Jessamyn 1:27:33 But I think other than that, I'm just sort of happy everything's been keep on keepin on December was outstanding in terms of post quality and just general enthusiasm. And so it's kind of nice that there's actually also been good stuff all the way into January.

Cortex 1:27:47 Yep. It's like there's there's smart, thoughtful people with a variety of eclectic and interesting, you know, areas of interest contributing on a collaborative basis to a large community website.

Jessamyn 1:27:59 What was that thing you said about the lightsaber?

Cortex 1:28:02 More, a more elegant, elegant website for a more civilized Web.

mathowie 1:28:10 Exactly. Great. All right. Till next month. All right. Bye. Bye.