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A transcript for Episode 94: Incremental RPGs https://metatalk.metafilter.com/23334/94-Incremental-RPGs (2014-07-08).

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Cortex 0:00 I'm Matt Howie Jessamyn. Welcome to the men of Bill to odd.

mathowie 0:12 Say, Hello, and welcome to episode 94 of the metal filter Podcast. I'm Matt, how he,

Jessamyn 0:17 I'm Jessamyn West.

Cortex 0:18 And I'm Josh Mullard, also known as cortex. So you guys have the easy names because you can say your name, and it's like your user name, or vice versa.

Jessamyn 0:27 Hey, my name. So

mathowie 0:31 this is July and everything from June 4 on counts. Today is July 7.

Jessamyn 0:38 And this is podcast. 9494 is a Smith number, which is one of these fascinating and super confusing things in which the number is the sum of the digits in the number or equal to the sum of the digits in its prime factorization. So like nine plus four is 13. And the prime factorization for 94 is whatever the hell it is. And they're the same.

mathowie 1:01 That sounds like a baseball stat when they're really reaching, and you're watching the game.

Jessamyn 1:05 I think the Smith number is really reaching. But the thing I think is really interesting about it is the Smith numbers were made up by this guy from Leakey University who noticed this about a phone number of his brother in law, Harold Smith, and the phone number is 4937775. And the guy just happens to know that that's three times five times five times 65,837. No one knows that.

Cortex 1:30 This stuff starts to just be

mathowie 1:32 I don't know, the phone number looks interesting. But still to see that is like that guy. One

Jessamyn 1:37 of the prime factors is 65,837. Series.

Cortex 1:42 Working with that number. He says like, oh, yeah, I don't know. I've seen people. Some people just have a real weird affinity for managing large numbers, you'd have to see

Jessamyn 1:51 that I like is it Smith numbers are crazy. And the origin of the Smith number is pretty interesting. Other than that,

mathowie 1:57 why did he call it the Herald number? It's nicer. But

Cortex 2:03 then also called Smith numbers, because they didn't get into Wesleyan is that the order that would go in is the order that would go? Well, someone can take that joke and you know,

Jessamyn 2:16 tell you you're not very good at jokes.

Cortex 2:19 I'm great at jokes. I was not very good at you know, waiting until they're

Jessamyn 2:22 at schools to crisis. Wellesley Oh, Wellesley's a women's college and that would have made sense. Yeah, that's probably what? Oh, wait, no, no, no.

Cortex 2:36 Either way, may tell you to turn it around. Thanks, Colin Smith number because because it didn't have to fall back on it's, you know, what do you call that the reserve school, school

mathowie 2:49 safety prime number to become right to jobs. I didn't look at jobs. There's a whole bunch of jobs and they're like normal jobs and stuff. But the interesting job for me was, like, remake a bike rack base, which is kind of tough to do remotely. I think I would hope the person could make all the measurements like you kind of need so you're not a woodworker, you need the old one to trace to cut to make it a lot easier. But

Jessamyn 3:21 I have to watch a video to figure out what I need to do to fix it by fans right

mathowie 3:25 up to a shot cloud based cues right up to the bike rack and you can see that with bass I can see that just like the plywood separating in the in the rain and stuff. But that's a cool,

Jessamyn 3:38 that's a cool I get it.

mathowie 3:40 There's a million other jobs like actual account executive jobs, and

Jessamyn 3:44 there's an actual job near me for the first time basically ever. Oh, that's nice. Josh, you put a thing in the thing and then a little thing popped up. And now I can make it go away. Just trying to quit pasting shit, that box is ruining everything. We've updated our Skype,

Cortex 4:03 and it's awful. It's it's just It does everything worse than it did before. Which is why

mathowie 4:09 like three years has a lot more that it doesn't

Jessamyn 4:13 mean you gotta buy a penguin sweater. But look, hairpin is looking for AppleScript help for the community radio station. Unfortunately, I cannot help with AppleScript Oh, copy editor for fiction I could do that.

Cortex 4:28 Yeah, obviously you need someone to copy edit their their fiction. So

Jessamyn 4:32 I like science fiction. And I read fast. I also like oops here so that might be fun. I'm not really looking for work. But in order to get unemployment you actually have to look for like three jobs a week. And it's out there aren't three jobs a week that even interest me much less ones that I can apply for. So everybody I met a filter who has a job that you would like to turn me down for, let me know and I'm gonna type your number into a box. But I can tell the state of Vermont that

mathowie 5:00 I tried to just send them URLs of job postings Oh, I wish

Jessamyn 5:03 you could send them you have to tell them like, oh, you applied for a job for who specifically you talk to, and what their email address and phone number is. You can't leave the phone number field blank. So I just keep putting in the number for like Vermont. directory assistance. And it's just it's degrading, it's terrible. It's frustrating like I don't mind not working but I really do mind this a horrible website. I'm going to write ooks here and email and say, I'm gonna apply for this job turned me down.

mathowie 5:35 Turn me down for what? Wow

Jessamyn 5:40 I love that song. Despite myself, I

mathowie 5:42 like it ever since I saw the video. Now it's mind blowing.

Jessamyn 5:45 I saw the video before I'd ever heard the song because everybody was screen tapping at a milkshake. Yeah. And I didn't understand what was happening at all. And then I

mathowie 5:54 watched it. How about we go to projects?

Jessamyn 5:57 Do it only if you say it right projects.

Cortex 6:02 Its projects.

mathowie 6:04 To the back of the audience. I'm

Cortex 6:06 gonna It's ringing my doorbell. And I don't know why.

Jessamyn 6:08 Oh, I might have a Verizon guy come and tell me why my phone isn't working during this podcast, in

mathowie 6:14 which case I'm gonna have to go a landline or

Jessamyn 6:17 cell yeah, there's a landline at my dad's house. And it works sometimes. And when it doesn't work, it fails big like you go down to the network device and you plug a phone in and it's dead. Probably something outside. So they gave me an entire day window where the guy might show up right now it's it's another just completely ridiculous thing. But we need to have a landline for our whatever.

mathowie 6:44 So there are a couple of cool video projects I like one was I liked one of them too. Yes, stained glass stop motion. I make stained glass yester. Make stained glass windows for a living. And that's just the stop motion of like, it's an eight hour day or something of making. It's amazing.

Jessamyn 7:01 Now I watched it that was on my list of things I very much loved also. And you it's great

mathowie 7:07 to fast forward and it's just becoming more of a stained glass window and it's a massive order of stained glass stained glass used to use so much lead and the people who made stained glasses, you know, used to go mad from all the lead. Wonder if it's de la edified at this point.

Jessamyn 7:24 I would assume so. But why don't you ask our friend who just made this giant window? Hey, are you going mad? Yes, sir.

mathowie 7:31 If you go a minute before there's a weird sand over the whole thing that gets wiped off. I don't understand. Somebody

Jessamyn 7:38 asked about that in the comments was that you know, no rich be asked about that in the comments. It hasn't been it has not been answered yet. But it must

mathowie 7:47 be a polish or something because it gets kind of brighter when there goes away. But still we're but yeah, that's beautiful. It was pretty cool. Oh, here's a strange. This is why the podcast exists. I think is this weird and projects why projects exist is posed by TSS the Open Class nationals. This is them blogging their adventures in a glider competition.

Jessamyn 8:15 Yeah, you skip the the word soaring the soaring competition.

mathowie 8:20 Where's the story? Oh, they didn't put in their titles. Yeah, the Nash open class national soaring contest in Northern California. They basically go from like, I don't know above Reno, Nevada, like all the way to Crater Lake in a glider and they pick out places with mountains next to deserts where hot thermals can they can be in the air for like six hours kinda. It's crazy. They got one vote from me and nobody left a comment it's so cool when you go through it's crazy because of

Jessamyn 8:49 these been modified since 2004 2002 Yeah on time and a co pilot

mathowie 8:57 yeah and it's like they take apart this glider they drove from Pennsylvania pulled it behind a minivan and parts all the way to Nevada and then put it together and then flew it each day and like the blog isn't really a yeah click into the post to see like an entire day but like they they'd log their time. They have to like test the air and there's the day where they were one of the test planes and they said it sucks because you know you go up early in the day when it's not hot yet and there's no uplift and you know, you kind of have a terrible time versus you know, beautiful glides but yeah, it's just like crazy amazing photos of like lakes and mountains and stuff from high above they have to Dickies oxygen tanks. They're so high up, which is crazy. Like I had no idea gliders went that high, you know, like 30,000 feet or something where you need an oxygen tank. It's crazy. Like I almost want to interview like today it'd be a fun interview for because I have so many glider questions. Like like like you How do you even know? There's no gas? Right? So how do you know I've got to get to this airstrip to land? How do you know when you're done for the day? You know, is it a ceiling height or a distance from it? It's weird,

Jessamyn 10:15 right? Because you've got to just kind of like glide out. Did the thing so if you overshoot it, you gotta turn around and do the stuff and there's no gas.

mathowie 10:25 It's, it's crazy. It's

Jessamyn 10:29 well, that's neat. That's a really cool blog.

mathowie 10:31 Yeah, and yeah, the posts are pretty nice. If not so nice photos and stuff. What does the pilot do in a glider? Besides provide ballast? I guess you're like a navigator? Maybe?

Jessamyn 10:44 Yeah, you're probably like checking all the stuff while the person who's in the front is like steering and doing the stuff. Yeah, the navigator maybe the radio operator maybe depending? I mean, their backup for the pilot I think we should ask TSS we should you know,

mathowie 10:57 oh, my God. So eat? Do you bring sandwiches if you're up for hours and

Jessamyn 11:01 hours leave a comment.

Cortex 11:05 is pretty familiar with some way to get answers to these questions interact

Jessamyn 11:07 with people who leave information?

mathowie 11:11 Just no way I'll send a telegram.

Cortex 11:13 Turns out the person who really wanted me to answer the door was a guy going around just trying to hard sell impromptu lawn mowings

Jessamyn 11:21 nice for not answering the door. Well, but

Cortex 11:24 then I did and then they said no. Checks. And I said what and we did that like four times? Because apparently What are you saying? Could you just write me a check and no.

Jessamyn 11:39 Sad anymore besides me? I

Cortex 11:40 know. It was kind of odd.

mathowie 11:42 But Bitcoin I mean, it's

Cortex 11:46 not that I didn't want to try and pay with cash. Rather than No, I don't want you to my life is weird. I don't

Jessamyn 11:53 do you guys mow your own lawn or you have a kid?

Cortex 11:55 Yeah, no, we we do our own. It's not

Jessamyn 12:00 thinking about switching to doing it myself.

mathowie 12:02 I did it myself and my first house and then I had a push mower because I won't be all environmental fell.

Jessamyn 12:08 You get over that fast. I went through

mathowie 12:11 education in July and you're done. You can't do it. Like if it goes beyond two inches. You're done. So then yeah, I paid got the new place. But Jesus.

Jessamyn 12:21 So crazy. I also enjoyed. Oh, yeah, plug yourself. No, the cortex thing. You can plug me No, I find that tacky. But I don't love Josh very

Cortex 12:34 much. Right here if you find it adorable and

Jessamyn 12:40 tacky. I just can't do it. I'm from New England, we can't even talk much less talk about ourselves.

Cortex 12:45 Just a bad way to be gotta just you gotta be okay with being in

mathowie 12:51 the Twitter by everyone from Maine or Vermont to be like, go look me up in the newspaper.

Cortex 12:56 Or you don't want to know about

Jessamyn 12:59 the newspaper this week. It was so exciting. I performed a wedding and the people who got married did like a wedding announcement. And it mentioned me as the officiant of the wedding. That's awesome. And I was like, Look at me, I made the paper. You know, it's it's different. So I'll work on it. I'll work on my attitude. We'll work on this.

Cortex 13:17 I believe in you believing in you. Okay. Yes.

Jessamyn 13:21 Well, you know what happened? Right? I posted that thing where I showed people my new, you know, I used that html5 template, and I made that new webpage. And then it got posted a meta filter, not my page, but the html5 page, too. Yeah. And then a bunch of people were not too bad. Not mine personally, just the thing in general, they were like, This is ugly. It's stupid. It's a nicer looking website than what I had before. And what most of the world who doesn't have designing chops has Oh, so this is the thing you stick your neck out and nerds piss on you.

mathowie 13:55 Right. It wasn't the latest greatest, but like, everything looked great. It was responsive. Like those are amazing templates. Your person talks about that

Jessamyn 14:03 when it comes up, right. So I was interviewed for this for Mr. Mustard. I didn't know Mr. Mustard was this other guy who contacted me and said, Do you want to be on my podcast? And then I saw this project afterwards. But basically, it's a podcast called The ignorant T and Mr. Mr. Mustard has a delightful British accent. And we talked last week. And I don't think I'm up on the podcast yet. But we talked a lot about like books, ebooks. You know how like when you talk about your like, I'll totally talk about a topic that I totally know about. But then they start talking about stuff that you don't totally know about. And so you're like, oh, yeah, it's totally like, Oh, God, don't quote me on this because maybe it's totally not like, Am I still talking? Oh God. So it might be kind of weird, but I had a great time talking to him

mathowie 14:54 about libraries or Well, we just

Jessamyn 14:57 started talking about like, you know, the sort of eat The Marketplace nowadays, you know like well with everything ebooks, what does that mean for libraries? And what about Amazon? What about all this shit with hatchet? And what about blah, blah, blah, blah blah blah. Like, there's a lot of people who are have deep knowledge about certain sections of this fewer people who have kind of mile high knowledge of at least a little bit of all the sections. You know, like the library angle especially is one that a lot of people don't know about. So I was talking about that. But I was just treading I was in the weeds a little bit. I mean, I'm only telling you now I hope you can't tell. But you know how when you're saying a thing, and you're like, Oh, God, the internet's gonna freak out about this because I don't know what I'm talking about. My doesn't ever happen to you guys.

Cortex 15:45 Like that. Like, at least once every podcast we record, honestly. I just play it off. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm

mathowie 15:50 sure about this bullshit that I'm just my podcast, pet peeve and fear both is when you can't recall the name of something because I've been on both sides of that, where I'm sitting there going, what's the thing the guy was in and like, and I know when I'm listening to podcast, it's fucking Wolverine. Would you just shut up and say Wolverine? Goddamnit. Go in the holster going back for three minutes going. What was the guy in the thing with the clause guy? What's

Jessamyn 16:17 his lease? We're sitting near a computer while we're talking. So that at least helps when I was talking to this guy went to my telephone couch because I was, you know, actually, now I don't even remember. Maybe I wasn't editing, right. I was trying not to talk and type at the same time. So well see what it sounds like.

mathowie 16:36 This reminds me of there's a really good podcast called like, I'm an idiot, which is a similar vein, which is Josh Kay in the sort of comedy writer guy in LA did had a show where he just invited his friends who are experts on something and just go, I don't have time to read the newspaper. So tell me again how the Electoral College works and like have sounds great. I would love to be on that podcast. Super fun. It's super fun, because really focus on one topic and you just find an expert. And yeah, what's his name? Brian Mason, explain the Electoral College because he worked for the Clintons and stuff. So like it was really good. Yeah, just because Josh is completely self deprecating, like, he doesn't know anything about these things. So it's good. And then I want to be on the dash. Yeah, yeah, I want him to be on his own show to explain how the fuck like comedy TV writing works or movies and punch up barely

Cortex 17:36 speaking also of podcasts about having things explained there's another one that I haven't gotten a chance to listen to this but excited by the write up another project from this video right about when we recorded the last podcast and I don't think it came up yet regret labs science podcast from a 47 Danger. Who the pitch is that Eric and Levi I talk about something they don't know about. And then they have a guest expert on to explain exactly how incorrect they are about their static. So the same, sir. It's nice. Something's in the air. I don't know. But I'm excited about checking this one out. I just haven't gotten around to it because some are busy. Oh, neat.

Jessamyn 18:14 Nice. That sounds good. I need to drive around more.

mathowie 18:18 Time. Like, it's easy to make time to read a book. But to listen to a podcast it's hard to carve

Jessamyn 18:24 out a little stack of metal filter swap CDs from the swap that ended about two months ago that I'm like, I need to be sitting near something that can play CDs so that I can listen to these but not working so that I can actually pay attention

Cortex 18:38 to podcasts are pretty much entirely car time things for me. Yeah. Like that's when I'm doing something that I have to not be doing the things I would normally be doing that are distracting so

Jessamyn 18:48 well. And I've had you know guests in my car like when I drove down to Massachusetts this time I drove a buddy down with me. So you know we chit chatted and listen to baseball games and stuff.

Cortex 18:57 Oh, you can do both? I don't know. I guess I guess me and me and Angela driving around. Like, we know that we have a lot more future opportunities to talk. So if we don't specifically feel like chatting, we can put on a podcast and both listen to it. That was actually a trick that we just went to up to Montana her to wear my toy dads. Yeah, well, I didn't write. But you know, it's a good one. Right? And I was kind of thinking, oh my God is gonna be great podcast. And but the thing I didn't really think about when I say that is it was me and Angela. And then my friend Brian and his two teenage daughters. And we kind of like you know, the podcasts we listen to are necessarily filthy, but none of them are guaranteed to not at some point be briefly ironically filthy. And so it's like I can't really say hey, no,

Jessamyn 19:40 you're ironic Phil's people.

Cortex 19:44 You got to know your and I don't think I'll still filthy I don't think Scott arguments worried about that. I mean, I think is a program for adults. But, but that's the problem. It's like I couldn't be like, pretty sure there won't be a two minute thing about Gary Marshall talking about The time he lost his virginity. You know, it's, I can't be sure,

mathowie 20:04 but they're gonna make a crazy 15 joke every 40 seconds because they roll, right? It's got sticks out is like the most straight laced guy with the filthiest imagination,

Jessamyn 20:18 like to get him down going down that road, when he does stand

mathowie 20:21 up. Here's like the darkest, craziest stuff from a guy in a sweater. It's harmless.

Cortex 20:27 Improv comedians. Improv Canadian. That's Canada. That's my Canadian thing. Think about an improv comedian is like, you know, if they're gonna go dark, they're gonna go dark and deep and just run with it, because that's what you do. You know, you keep it rolling. So yeah, let's take this fisting bit that we didn't know we were going to do as far as we can.

mathowie 20:50 Start at zero and go below that. I hear that. So there's this globe trot video that was posted. I liked it so much. I waited a day and saw if anyone else had posted and I posted metal filter. It's really cool. It's like that where the Hell is Matt sort of thing where it's like 50 zillion locations around the world. I could, I could name probably a dozen of them. And I felt pretty cool that I could name a dozen another's places. But it turns out, it's clearly crowdsource where they had like a dancer come up with this wacky choreography, and then they assign people in every city how to do that. And then on top of that, they gave him sections, like, just you're just gonna do this, like 50 seconds to a minute and 20 seconds of this dance, you know, and Oh, yeah. And here's how you frame the shot, like super detailed and it in the, in the end, the Edit looks pretty good and professional. And it looks like they had a film crew and 23 countries, you know, recording this

Jessamyn 21:48 dance. Right now. It's brilliant. Yeah,

mathowie 21:51 the funniest part is when you go to the How to section and like how to frame your dancer. Like it's really detailed, like, you know, they need to be 40% of the frame and they need to be standing here. But the practice dance stuff is funny when he watched like, here's how you do the dance. Here's how you do this part of the dance. Like it's hilarious. And

Jessamyn 22:09 I Mitch LA, who's basically only made this one post metal filter ever, but he's been a member since 2011.

mathowie 22:17 Yeah, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Oh, that's a nice little, nice little, nice little movie. It's just like, Where the hell

Jessamyn 22:26 do you post it to Medfield you should drop the guy in me mail maybe and just tell him that, you know, because that's kind of cool. He would like to know,

mathowie 22:32 he sent me an email afterwards. Thanks for posting. And I was like, oh, you know, it's neat. Like what why would I not do it till it's great. It's all the joy of like, Where the Hell is Matt like, spread out with all these? Matt Yeah, with a lot of people have different you know, body shapes and dance abilities and stuff. But like it the videos surprisingly, all very high quality. Like it doesn't look like one of them was shot with an iPhone or something. Like it's all edited really well.

Jessamyn 23:02 Nice. I've just got one more quickie for projects, which is just this little Tumblr blog that just has photographs of objects from eBay and Craigslist listings. And there's just something mesmerizing about looking at all of these things together.

mathowie 23:18 It's completely sold in the very first image which is like a weird army man Ultra

Jessamyn 23:22 with funny with funny eyes. Yeah, and then there's just a lot of like army men I don't totally know. Some blurry thing sets of bowls and cake pans and artificial hearts and Mickey Mouse's and a sideways Godzilla and like a zip on head with

mathowie 23:40 the hell to sideways scroll which is weird too but fun sideways scroll Yeah, just

Cortex 23:45 hold down shift and mouse wheel and your shift and mouse wheel.

Jessamyn 23:52 Hold down Shift and mouse.

Cortex 23:54 I'm not telling you I'm suggesting I'm providing a mechanism Nashville's

Jessamyn 23:58 to slow

mathowie 23:59 muffin pans I see.

Cortex 24:01 I really like to focus on

Jessamyn 24:03 the muffin pan

mathowie 24:07 so many pipe fittings I didn't No idea people are selling

Jessamyn 24:10 like army men and like army astronaut men and little mini peak

mathowie 24:15 issues

Jessamyn 24:16 to start collecting information I mean, like it delivers significantly more joy than you would expect this is by King Felix by the way. And it was posted to metal filter by Zane cat who I actually recently met which is not how I found this but it's cool it's kind of calm, calm, calm, get a ton of comments but there's some interesting copyright questions here says crip cage

Cortex 24:47 I really liked it as it's like a it's like a study in accidental like, you know, juxtaposition of color and composition stuff because there's a great there's so many nice color backgrounds and contrast with each other and you The typical product listing framing becomes So, so established looking at all these different images, doing it slightly differently, but still having that symmetry and centering and the border of the frame and the angle of the approach.

Jessamyn 25:12 Yeah, that's right. That's exactly.

Cortex 25:14 I have my little one that I like to from Ignace Connect. Ethnic knocked. I always I can't say it. But anyway, a little thing. He made a twitter bot that I kind of loved it. Yeah, it's just riffing off the structure of blood for the blood God and so instead it's the Oh, every every kind of thing for the thing. God weeks for the week God steam rams for the steam RAM monster. So a little bit of variation. Pregnancies for the pregnancy God,

Jessamyn 25:46 losses for the bati goddess. It's pretty cool. Cool. Yes. Now I enjoyed it. And it's funny also with Twitter's kind of new layout, because some of them are bigger than others, which I think has something to do with

Cortex 26:00 tweets, I think the ones that stand out proportional to other ones good. Yeah.

Jessamyn 26:05 Which just makes it look funny. They're expecting very exciting. It looks like it's gonna be another metal filter baby on the way.

Cortex 26:17 Does ask us for the dose day have you gotten?

mathowie 26:26 All right, all right, metal filter, maybe.

Jessamyn 26:28 Maybe you tell me which way we go. Clearly, I can never remember it's quiz

Cortex 26:32 time, which is a meta filter. Write down your answers on a piece of paper.

Jessamyn 26:39 In this stupid video window that we're not using anything else? All right, well, I'm supposed to mention this because of course, I always query gym about what's good. I'm gonna filter because I have my own tastes. And they're very narrow and itchy. And he says he thinks this is the best post on metal filter all this year, which is basically timely only because World Cup. It's people who are in the stands and just fucking around. And then they throw a paper airplane onto the pitch. And then it hits a guy in the head, like a player

mathowie 27:12 saw this? Yeah, it's great. Because it's like a wait for it that goes for

Jessamyn 27:16 a year like what is this is so stupid, stupid, stupid. Oh, my God.

mathowie 27:21 It actually happened? Yeah, it actually

Jessamyn 27:23 happened. And it's kind of a short, metal filter thread by beer filter. But I think II lizard bits had the initial comment which summed up my feelings. That was delightful for reasons which are difficult to articulate, but which I nevertheless feel quite strongly.

mathowie 27:41 I would say this is a crazy man for posting with the July by women project, like every week, we should maybe mentioned Yeah, I want to introduce it now. Like, it's a great idea. Like, we should just get more women posted, right? Because, you know, maybe historically, women are a little bit afraid to post in open forums for you know, could be shut on by idiots, you know? Yeah, so like, someone's back the envelope calculations was what 8% of you know, one month posting appeared to be by, you know, people that marked off their gender is female. And

Jessamyn 28:15 metaphysics is tricky in its own way. Because the people who didn't mark it are probably more likely to be women, but whatever. Yeah.

mathowie 28:21 And if we have a 40% audience of women are, you know, are close to 50? You know, why? Why is it better? So, you know, there's more posts by women, and they're fantastic. And it's not just

Jessamyn 28:32 you didn't introduce it at all. So basically, was like, let's do something about it. And so they had a meta talk thread, which was terrific about, like, let's get more women posting period. The funniest

mathowie 28:46 part was the going 90 posts in a month. And when God forcing myself to post three times a day, I was just thinking of how much work that is. Now, it's like, and maybe that's too ambitious. But I think, you know, we hit it by really, you know, the fifth or something yesterday, two days ago, 110 already?

Jessamyn 29:06 Well, and the points that I think people make is that these aren't necessarily posts on women's issues, some are, but most really aren't. It's just posts by like, posters you haven't heard from before, which in and of itself is cool. And the fact that they happen to be women is just good news for Metafilter overall, because people should feel that the site is theirs, regardless of what their sex or gender is. Yeah, and and women are very equally represented on AskMe edit filter. So it's kind of a good way for people who may have only explored that part of the site to view the whole site as theirs as well.

mathowie 29:39 Yeah. And when I thought about this, you know, the best scenario in my mind was like all these people, all these women had an idea for a post, you know, in the back of their mind, and that seems to have happened. It's great. There's posts about all kinds of crazy stuff and it's like she posted

Jessamyn 29:55 them at a top thread and say nice going because you're it's your say You say that you

mathowie 30:01 thought I had, but Ctrl F

Jessamyn 30:03 for your own name.

mathowie 30:06 I was definitely going to, you know, say something that like, man. It's so good.

Jessamyn 30:12 It really is. It's been very, very cool.

mathowie 30:15 So, yeah, so I think everything I've picked is probably July by women post. Like today's this morning this crazy twitter bot that remind me of this one. This pangram tweets, looks for tweets with the entire

Jessamyn 30:33 tweet site ginger beer. That seems

mathowie 30:35 Yeah, but ginger beer. This seems like a supercomputer problem, right? It's ginormous, to have find a tweet with every letter in it. And some of them are people mashing the keyboard. But some are just completely innocuous, which is weird and crazy. And I'm honestly wondering how do you even do this?

Cortex 30:53 Well, it's it's not necessarily that hard to get all the letters in there. The tricky part is doing it in a really concise way, which is why we have a couple like standard memorable things.

mathowie 31:01 Oh, no, I'm amazed that like, how do you scan the Twitter firehose? That's easy.

Cortex 31:05 You just I mean, not not to say Oh, well, it didn't take any work. But like, the naive approach, at least is easy, which may be sort of inefficient. But basically, you can take it and you know, you go through and every, like set up like a 26 entry hash table or something. And each one represents different literally alphabet. And you go through the tweet and you increment the value of each hash entry. Every time you find that letter, and then you get to that tweet. does everything have a nonzero value? Boom, you got to tweet otherwise, throw it away and go to the next one.

mathowie 31:33 That's efficient.

Jessamyn 31:34 Yep. sounded a lot like blah, blah, Ginger Beer.

mathowie 31:39 Somebody's I'm just amazed how they got the x and the Z in.

Jessamyn 31:43 I know I'm reading it and I'm like, there's no x in that. Oh, right. Of course.

mathowie 31:47 Like, oh, hey, I'm just having a rough night. And then I watch Netflix, like, Oh, God, that's where they got it. And then I realized and that's how they got the Z and you go, Oh, they got it. But it's great that people don't even know they're doing this. As they're doing this.

Cortex 32:03 It's like, oh, there was an X in the Bitly URL, which is

mathowie 32:07 Yeah. Oh, he just there's some porn in it because x is show up in porn with exes. Crazy, triple X, but it was pretty cool. It's a it's a funny funny funny project. Yeah. friendzone comment is hilarious. It's in there.

Jessamyn 32:25 I'll just read it out loud. Shut the fuck up about the friendzone maybe you should just value a woman's friendship and quit expecting them to fuck you Jesus but even without the Jesus fuck it actually was pretty

mathowie 32:38 X is where CX o expecting wow I love the quote by that seriously that should be used for every Font Preview that's I've been staring at fonts lately and they have these nonsensical phrases

Jessamyn 32:52 or it's like quick brown fox or super sucks nobody knows what a fox is nowadays. Well I guess they do

Cortex 33:00 right not a fan of what does the fox say you just heard of it.

Jessamyn 33:07 I was tired of it when it came out but live did do a very hilarious send up called What does my girl say? That was really just worth having that other song existed all

Cortex 33:19 that less than the original I felt that one was getting a little bit into weird territory or is the first ones just outright nonsense absurdity that I was more behind. Good

Jessamyn 33:26 point. You'd have to kind of like all the characters in SNL, though, like seeing them in sort of ascend up

Cortex 33:31 but yeah, I'm a few. I'm a few years behind at this point. Like, I started a few years

Jessamyn 33:35 behind and still claim you're even on track. When did I claim I was on track? What is a few years behind me?

Cortex 33:43 2010 or so? So like something?

Jessamyn 33:45 That's not even on?

Cortex 33:49 I don't I don't I can't parse

Jessamyn 33:52 that. You know what I'm saying? So down

Cortex 33:58 this discussion of comedy

Jessamyn 34:07 just where I talk about

mathowie 34:08 my post, yes, your post.

Jessamyn 34:10 So I made a post even though I post fairly frequently July by women has gotten me more inspired to find the books I'm reading and find interesting things about them. This is not one of them. Actually, this is from like a random mailing list I want. But it's basically a guy who wanted to make a backup of his ebook and he's kind of like a nerdy guy from Portland, Oregon. And so he photocopied his Kindle every time he changed a page to make a physical backup of his Kindle was a joke. I mean, he knows it's a joke, but it's kind of like a funny, stupid art project that he calls ebook backup. And if you look at it, it is funny.

mathowie 34:47 It's funny because the Kindle shows up in the scan. That is funny.

Jessamyn 34:50 Yes, yes. It's funny because the Kindle shows up in this scan. And he's also done projects such as learning to write in different fonts because he We all right and like the same font sort of

mathowie 35:03 oh my God teach himself to write in a video

Jessamyn 35:06 that's just all newscasters staring my surprise surprise ending and maybe my favorite just because you can get it just by looking at a couple pictures the iPhone one case for the iPhone five

Cortex 35:19 It was also nice I really enjoyed someone mentioned in the in the thread someone mentioned the what if the Simpsons was made in the 90s

Jessamyn 35:26 Oh which was another project he

Cortex 35:28 did right and I thought I really thought it was beautiful he took he took he took the Simpsons. He basically cobbled together a new opening montage for The Simpsons. Using some more music and different tn V striking.

Jessamyn 35:44 Like VHS Yeah, which we are we watching VHS movies in the 90s

mathowie 35:51 DVDs are like late 90s Yeah, okay, people's real tape

Jessamyn 35:54 did exist in the 90s which is kind of

Cortex 35:57 the whole thing it's like it's applying this wonderful sort of like yeah, what if it was retro thing to something that's it totally inappropriate that retro rise it and yet he just does it with a completely straight face. And I just I sat there I was so pleased with it. I was like this is this is the best fuck you have a joke I've seen in a while.

Jessamyn 36:14 I kind of love this guy's profile photo.

mathowie 36:16 Oh my god, this is I feel like we

Jessamyn 36:19 should be friends with this guy.

Cortex 36:20 That's nice.

mathowie 36:24 That's the greatest.

Jessamyn 36:25 So I just found that and could not believe it. Was that a metal filter? Because normally I'm like, Oh, I read this esoteric bullshit. And here's some weird facts about the esoteric bullshit. Like, right now I'm reading about tater stand, ta te RS ta en. It's like a part of what used to be Russia. And so that's gonna make a great medical proposal at some point, but it's a little inside baseball. This this is accessible to anybody who uses the internet.

mathowie 36:51 This is amazing.

Cortex 36:52 I thought I feel like I feel like I may have seen one of his things somewhere before and I just, you know, had never like made the connection or anything, because it had familiarity, but I hadn't seen most of it. So yes, I really enjoyed that. That was

Jessamyn 37:03 if you run into him on the street in Portland, please tell Metafilter says yeah,

Cortex 37:07 that's the other thing. It's like he's local strangled to come out to a meet up. Like once you've been posted on that filter. You you are fit by the strict legal definition. Your name of property. Yes. Yes.

mathowie 37:25 The every lightning strike in America right now. Map is amazing. Always. Like at anytime a day. Let's see if it's amazing. It's not super amazing right now. But it's amazing during storms. It's pretty cool.

Cortex 37:38 Oh, nice. It's just real time.

mathowie 37:41 It's like the wind map. Yeah, summer thunderstorms in the South. Basically what's going on? Well,

Jessamyn 37:47 we did of course have the Fourth of July almost entirely wiped out by like a hurricane stormy lightning bullshit. It would have been fun to watch this, like three days ago.

mathowie 37:57 Did it go all the way up to New England?

Jessamyn 37:59 It didn't. It went through Massachusetts. So we didn't we got a rainstorm after the fireworks. And then it was fine. But like Boston just got hammered. And then the South Coast got super hammered. So I miss most of it. But

mathowie 38:15 that was the same thing. Is that hurricane in North Carolina stuff? I've been up there. Wow. I guess. So.

Cortex 38:22 How do we collect the data on the strikes here, I turned on the detectors thing. And I'm seeing long lines from like 1000 miles away.

Jessamyn 38:30 A network for the location of electromagnetic discharges in the atmosphere based on the time of arrival, several lightning receivers and one central processing server. The station's transmit their data in short time intervals over the internet, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, community of station operators.

Cortex 38:48 I will have to read first,

mathowie 38:50 but where is the you know, API with all these G D are located? You know, somewhere there's a feed. But yeah.

Jessamyn 39:01 So if you want to make better looking data visit in this.

mathowie 39:04 Have you seen the wind map? I mean, that was glorious to and that's

Jessamyn 39:07 it is glorious, and a little better designing honestly. Totally. Yeah. And you

mathowie 39:11 go Where do you get all that data to make all that beauty? But yeah,

Cortex 39:16 the government

mathowie 39:19 the government or wasteful spending?

Cortex 39:21 I like to this this is one of those classic like posts that gets almost nothing but it's why I like metal filter. That man twists and turns made a post about the articulatory IPA as in international phonetic alphabet. That other

Jessamyn 39:35 posted by theodolite. I feel like we should mention everybody's name because like it's wrapped around. Yeah.

Cortex 39:42 Anyway, it's a YouTube channel that collects videos of like tube down the throat or in some cases, a side slice, MRI imagery of people pronouncing various things as sort of like just

Jessamyn 39:57 you can see the difference between real real and real Alice that what they're saying? Yeah,

Cortex 40:01 so you can actually see in the mouth and the throat when people are actually pronouncing

mathowie 40:06 so if I press play on these videos, it's gonna be as gross medical thing if someone's throat. Yes, I will take your word for it.

Jessamyn 40:14 I'm gonna look at one and I'll tell you

Cortex 40:17 all right, it's the it's the wonder of the human body guys, it's cetera

mathowie 40:25 24 hours a day.

Jessamyn 40:27 Mine was just like a side x ray or MRI of somebody and it wasn't gross at all. Yeah, I didn't learn anything either. But it definitely wasn't great. Like I

Cortex 40:40 said, it's a niche. A lot of people responded

Jessamyn 40:44 to alveolar fricatives just like the next person. I just, you know, miss it the first time. Yeah, Matt, he's squeamish.

mathowie 40:51 I just medical video I'm not in the mood right now.

Cortex 40:57 I'm gonna excerpt that put my phone and wait for the next time. I happen to be around you when someone's like, Oh, do you want to see the ultrasound and I'll just like pull up my phone and play and then you'll feel so awkward.

Jessamyn 41:09 No, I think that's what I should do.

Cortex 41:11 Because my life just wait for that moment. That might work.

Jessamyn 41:14 I'm gonna have to wait 10 years you'll have to wait less than a month is my start getting

Cortex 41:18 desperate and I like have women put the you know, pillows on conversations to be pregnant pregnant a pillow under the shirt and then

Jessamyn 41:31 stand this post.

mathowie 41:33 I'm curious what you think of the This is Phil Fish video because it's kind of fantastic

Jessamyn 41:38 by JK Laiho

Cortex 41:41 I feel like I need to watch it but I haven't yet

mathowie 41:44 do you need to sit down and watch because we all know Phil Fish is kind of this like,

Jessamyn 41:48 all know anything who's

Cortex 41:50 independent game developer who is also sort of notoriously kind of arrogant, that loudmouth

mathowie 41:54 and he's kind of lightning

Jessamyn 41:55 rod, or is he just a loudmouth? He's

mathowie 41:58 kind of a jerky loudmouth,

Jessamyn 42:00 but he's sexist, or just

Cortex 42:02 just sort of neutrally jerkish? Like he's one of those. Yeah, no, no, not that I know of. I think it's more just like, Hey, fuck you. I'm right about this thought I had, I know what I'm doing. And I'm smart.

Jessamyn 42:14 And Richard Stallman. fuckup. Yeah.

mathowie 42:17 And I only know him through the video game movie, like and I played Fez, maybe for 15 minutes once I never played in his other games. But he's famous for basically having these big splashy announcements. I'm going to change the video game industry to my next indie game, and he wins awards, and he gets tons of funding. And then sometimes they don't come out for five years. And when they do, people are sometimes disappointed, but he's turned into like the most hated guy and in the game world, and this video is amazing in that you don't even need to know him. It's more about like internet culture. And I can't believe I sat there and watched an 18 minute video for all 90 minutes because I was going I was fascinated and gets bored. Boring.

Jessamyn 42:54 So wait, wait, what's the upshot of the video? I mean, I'll basically say so but it's basically

mathowie 42:58 like, here's this guy. He's kind of a loudmouth jerk. And he's a jerk to people on Twitter. That's kind of its I would say that's the weakest, you know, supportive him. If someone goes, Hey, Phil, I hate your game. He'll tweet back to a random stranger. Like, you know, a personal normal person would take the high road. He'll tweet back like, fuck you. I hope you die or something really childish and dumb and mean. And like, I can't abide that. That's stupid. But this like 20 minutes of like, how did he get so hated? Why is he Why is he Why is Nickelback? Why is Carrot Top? Why are all these things these these code words for things everyone hates? Right? Like, Why did it become a thing? Like it's amazing? How does the thing become a thing? Yeah, and it's kind of it's just about it. By the end, you're like, maybe you shouldn't hate Phil Fish so much. It's more like you should kind of hate the internet a little bit. And here's how things spiral out of control and it's amazing. It's kind of just incredible video and best of blog just because it was made by me fight I think it looks like Yeah, and like it's it's really, really well done.

Jessamyn 44:04 You guys should put more stuff on the best of blog. We

mathowie 44:07 should. There's so much stuff going on right now. It's hard.

Jessamyn 44:12 It's hard to pick.

Cortex 44:14 Just pick pick at random. That's my problem.

Jessamyn 44:19 I don't work here that's my problem. So

Cortex 44:21 I got stung by a bee yesterday. That buys me a couple days of time. Did you say it

Jessamyn 44:26 was no big deal more than 15 minutes

Cortex 44:29 it's a little bit swollen today

mathowie 44:29 stomped on a be like a week ago and it was no big deal.

Cortex 44:33 It was it was a big emotional. It's very internal, you know, a revelatory emotional couple of

Jessamyn 44:40 years. Back or go to a hospital. The fact that

mathowie 44:47 you want to slap your 12 year old self like

Cortex 44:50 11 year old self was kind of a baby about the whole

Jessamyn 44:53 bees. I don't even understand what the conversation I just

Cortex 44:57 I was at barbecues and misters are ones place. See through a barbecue

Jessamyn 45:01 is a match made the meat

Cortex 45:05 he smokes My gosh. And setting up a game of well, you know it's called cornhole and you do Yeah, we're setting it up and just suddenly my toe hurt very badly I think what's that about and it's like oh perhaps I got stung by a bee and I looked down and there was a bee sting or sticking out on my toe and I gave it a quick swipe with my finger and it came out and then I was like, that's how you do it which I which I've internalized but never had a chance to really put into practice. And and then I was like, Oh, my toe hurts but I got the stinger out and then you know 10 minutes later after some corn holes I got on my toes fine. And it took

Jessamyn 45:42 you three days to get over and this isn't why you couldn't post to the blog

Cortex 45:46 there's a lamest possible excuse for why you were fine. Yes, I was fine. I was fine. I was like the fact that I was fine because I really don't like bees and I don't like bees partly cuz I got stung a couple times as a kid and it was a really an unpleasant experience and not like an anaphylactic shock way just in a you know as a kid I was not someone who responded well to sudden inexplicable pain, you know, in a cluck you bees. So it's like, I'm sure I will continue to, you know, avoid bees and swat at them or whatnot. But it was a little bit nice of a reality show say, Oh, that was not as bad as the dentist. You know, okay, better than the dentist. Maybe I can be a little bit more laid back about it because

mathowie 46:23 we are smaller people like we're a third of the size. I had a bee sting when I was 11. And I had one late last week and that's my life history of bee stings. And last week was the same thing. It was in my toe. I went, Oh, that's weird. Why is my toe hurt? And I pulled it out and I was like, It swelled for like an hour and then went away and I don't even care. But when I was 11 my entire arm puffed up and I was like, in pain for two days. I don't know why.

Jessamyn 46:48 I don't know maybe bees are getting lamer than they used to be. We bred to get beasts on. I don't think I've been bee stung in a while or if I've gotten bee stung lately, I don't even know about it because I was like whoever knows you know you got itchy things that bite you all the time.

mathowie 47:01 Like cat came in last night with one pot four times the size of the other cat didn't even seem to care. We're just like, Oh my God. We woke up in the morning their paws are the same size so it was probably a bee sting.

Jessamyn 47:16 Nettles sometimes

mathowie 47:18 worked itself out.

Jessamyn 47:21 So I just wanted to point this out there's really not much to say about it but communities coming back on Yahoo screen yeah according to

mathowie 47:28 channel according to

Jessamyn 47:30 small dollar. Who has been is a newish a newish member

mathowie 47:36 they can probably release it whenever they feel like it because it's not TV.

Jessamyn 47:41 Yeah, I mean, assuming that it's gonna have Dan Harmon in it and it just made you know internet people very happy makes me very happy. But the thread was kind of fun because it's a lot of grab Asri about Yahoo and you know whether you should even watch season four or Season Four that the lousy no Harmon one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the darkest timeline. At any rate, brief post worth knowing everybody. Yeah, hurry.

Cortex 48:08 There was a post about a game inspired by candy box called Space Lich omega. Suppose that Jay Becker's made this is an incremental game. It's not. It's more in the candy box vein than the Cookie Clicker.

Jessamyn 48:21 Like the jewel Blitzer. What's it

Cortex 48:24 kind of cookie?

Jessamyn 48:26 Web RPG? Why do I even ask these?

Cortex 48:30 But it's candy boxes what inspired Cookie Clicker? Oh, cookie clicker went in a different direction with it. And then this

Jessamyn 48:36 candies already

Cortex 48:39 playing Candy Box now useless play space little bagel. Oh my gosh. It's pretty good. Actually, you should play. I'm trying to trick you into play. That's it.

Jessamyn 48:48 So wait, there's just a clicker do this.

Cortex 48:51 Yeah, Candy Box is one of the old ones. I

Jessamyn 48:52 think you've done it again. Yep.

Cortex 48:53 You can play that. That's that's basically why I wanted to bring it up. I didn't even like it. I just wanted to get you hooked. Just anything and I always enjoy

Jessamyn 49:02 mental RPG.

Cortex 49:03 I always enjoy this. What

Jessamyn 49:05 the hell with it?

Cortex 49:06 Well, there's a demon at the church. Oh, yeah. So it goes somewhere.

Jessamyn 49:11 I'm sorry. Go on.

Cortex 49:11 Yeah, anyway, I just like I like post about them. Because I like watching people sort of collectively pick it apart and figure out what's going on and how you do things and the inevitability of a comment somewhere in the thread from someone saying, I can't actually play this thing. Someone said I can't play this because it's blocked at work. So I'm just going to presume that you're all just doing field, you know, freestyle improvisation role playing here. Because if you read this read and do it on the assumption that there is no such game as space Lich omega. You know, it really kind of reads like a weird creative writing exercise, so makes me happy. Yeah, I enjoy those things.

Jessamyn 49:46 Well, now I liked the space Lich omega, but it's nothing like that other one candy box. They're

Cortex 49:50 different. They're the I would say space lunch Omega sort of presumes you've played candy box. And so it's like jumping in a little bit farther development than where Candy Box starts. With just a candy. But they do similar things. There's a strong, there's a strong lineage there and the design once you've played through both,

mathowie 50:08 all right. I love this post on the history of Entertainment Weekly, because it's filled with people like me who, I don't know why I had, oh, I read this. I had free Entertainment Weekly at my house in college. And I never watch TV because in a lab all the time or doing homework, but I read Ew, like on the toilet, because you got 20 minutes a day to do that, and never phone yet. And I would know all the storylines of Melrose Place or whatever shit, or they contract negotiations for the next movie for people. And like I did, I took no part in media, but I read Entertainment Weekly, religiously, in the mid 90s. And loved every minute of it. And this

Jessamyn 50:49 was like me 10 years ago, I got a free subscription somehow. And I needed to keep up with TV so that I wouldn't fail at trivia.

mathowie 50:58 Trivia reasons. That's, that's totally true.

Cortex 51:02 I used to read the alt weeks at least I'd read the movie section, the reviews in Willamette week and the portal Mercury when I worked my old desk job, the insurance company, because partly because it was boring in a heated way the reading. And partly because it meant that I could keep up with random conversations about movies, even when I hadn't actually been watching all the movies. You know, I mean, I didn't pretend like I'd seen them. I just gave me any context at all. And so it's a different water cooler

mathowie 51:29 this Yeah, basically, that's important.

Jessamyn 51:32 It's funny. I know anything about sports.

mathowie 51:34 I did it because I like watched eight hours of TV like an idiot kid as a kid. And then I didn't at all in college, and I realized I'm gonna have to reenter society. At some point. I

Jessamyn 51:45 don't have to you don't have to

Cortex 51:47 be the guy that doesn't own a TV. I like I like now one of the side effects of like Netflix culture is there's like a whole secondary class of people who aren't watching TV to date, but still have a shared experience of Oh, but it was or is on Netflix. So like, you know, I'm three years behind. So are like 30% of the people I know. And we're all exactly the same three years behind. Really? Yeah, season two of that show that's on season six. That was a great season. Let's talk about it. You know, it's

mathowie 52:15 really hard to figure out people at a party have also seen some Croatian soap opera or something you're watching online only. Like it's it's hard to find those people that it's great when you do write, write, write, I had some strange conversation about something that was British only and it was 10 years old, but just seen it. And someone else said, Yeah,

Jessamyn 52:34 we're working through season two of Parks and Rec. So every now and again, I can tell people and they'll be like, oh, yeah, I wonder what happens to and you're like, don't tell me Don't tell me.

mathowie 52:42 You haven't gotten to the part. Yeah, I don't want to spoil it. But although

Jessamyn 52:47 if you see the ads for Parks and Rec on regular TV, you kinda know what the Yes, but yeah,

Cortex 52:52 well, that's, I mean, that's the whole fanfare thing. We the thing we'll have to continue to figure out and, and why we added the checkbox so you can hide Synopsys is the idea that even something that's not in any sense of the word of spoiler in a malicious way for the current state of the show? Could be a spoiler, someone who just is a couple seasons behind? Because

Jessamyn 53:10 they know somebody's still alive or not alive or whatever.

Cortex 53:13 Yeah, like the mid season episode where something happens that involves a married couple who got married at the beginning of the season. It's not a spoiler for anybody watching it. I was like, Oh, wait, they're married. I forgot the last six episodes I watched but if you're like three seeds behind you, like who the hell is Jane or like, wait, they gotten married, you know, it's like,

Jessamyn 53:34 a baby their

Cortex 53:37 problem. The whole sort of like flattening of media is a is it's got some weird side effects to

mathowie 53:43 it. I also want to ask you, Josh about this post about algorithms. I want to go make this post because I found it on Twitter. I was like, holy guys, amazing. I'm gonna go to tweet

Jessamyn 53:52 quiet Earth. Yeah, I'm gonna go to an algorithm algorithms. Nope, sorry. Go on. Oh,

mathowie 53:58 yeah, there is. Those are the two words but my daughter gets a minor spelling test and ask me how you spell rhythm. How you spell algorithm. I'm like, I went to the red squiggly pops up and then I do not know how to spell those ever. But uh, this great post I went to make it and it had been made for me a day before by it's great. It's this like, it's great. I don't even understand half of it. But it's great for explaining what the algorithm does and how you make things look like are using math and you introduce like random noise and like it goes on and on and on and on and on.

Cortex 54:40 This looks very neat. I have not seen it. This is this was posted during my my dead week at the lake where I just I didn't look at meta filter at all that whole week since we managed to get lobster bitten to be able to cover my shift. I just like okay, I'm just going to put the computer down for real and so I missed this in

mathowie 54:59 other posts you I have really cool visualizations of mazes and things breaking down and

Jessamyn 55:05 explain things in a way that's you can get your head around even if you're not super apt in these things.

mathowie 55:12 Yep. Yeah, it's really cool. super neat. And like the site looks exactly like Edward Tufte these books. It was, obviously he's trying to make it tough the

Jessamyn 55:22 book. It's very snooty.

mathowie 55:26 Yeah, this is really cool. Oh, yes, you can see a video the talk? Oh, it's not up yet. Bummer. But yeah, it's very cool. Very like it remind me of going to see the math dude in pals. Like, you know, like these beautiful descriptions of math that are interesting to non math people like me,

Jessamyn 55:43 Matthew Jordan or somebody else. Oh, yeah. Jordan.

mathowie 55:48 username again, s.

Jessamyn 55:50 De JB e AskMe. ishi.

Cortex 55:55 AskMe.

Jessamyn 55:57 Even worse than that. Not to be wrong.

mathowie 56:01 i Yes, yes. Oh,

Cortex 56:04 yes, it was good. That's what I did it the lake instead of fucking run on metal filter. You can read books, when you aren't looking the internet all

Jessamyn 56:09 day, I forgot. You can also read books when you are looking. It's hard to know, I

Cortex 56:13 bought a hammock that's helping go outside and just take a book. And hey, you know, I might catch a book I started reading last year now.

mathowie 56:21 Was it was it like cool stories about math?

Cortex 56:25 It was it's really interesting. It's a nice mix of sort of interesting bits about math history and sort of the development of some mathematical concepts. And some of the bumpiness and weirdness that comes when real human beings are the ones trying to do science and ties that into modern stuff, ties it into, you know, a big part of this thesis is that we're doing math all the time, in the way we think about and reason within interact with the world. You know, we're estimating we're dealing with probability, you know, in some of these things, we do pretty well, without knowing. Assessment. Yeah, sometimes things we do very poorly without realizing how poorly we're doing it. And it's maybe it's arguably a failure of the way we approach teaching math that people that people don't realize how much they're being shortchanged on their ability to, you know, handle situations? Well, because they haven't been taught these sort of weird, counterintuitive concepts that aren't hard to learn. They just seem imposing because it's math, you know, and it's always calculus to you. And he talked about, you know, calculus at the book reading as sort of like, it's the big wall that everybody like, gets as far as calculus, who gets that far. And, you know, some people are like, Oh, okay, and other people are like, wait. Yeah, well, it was for me to I mean, I thought of myself as a big math, like precocious Man, I'm really good at math. Otherwise, yeah, calculus is just it's a very specific thing. And there's almost no intuitive grounding for it. For the average person. I think it's probably probably like, I love geometry, because like, Yes, I know exactly what I'm looking at. Because we're drawing a picture of a thing. You know, calculus was like, I don't have a way to think about why I care about the area under a three dimensional curve. I'm just like, Oh, God, I don't want to do any more derivative though.

Jessamyn 58:05 Just wave my hands and mostly average it and be mostly, I'm not building a spaceship.

Cortex 58:10 Yes, you can. And if you have the tool set to get it mostly right, if you have the tool set to understand that you got close or understand basically what it should be and know whether you're whether you got the exact answer right or wrong. If you have an understanding of what sort of answer you should expect from something right, then you're in pretty good shape. And he talks about how when he grades papers, if someone gets the answer completely wrong, but they did a bunch of work, and they get the answer wrong. But they've also written notes saying, Hey, I think this has to be wrong, because you know, this can't be a negative number, because it's the amount of water in a bucket, then he'll give them how credit you know, whereas if somebody else did it all impeccably, and then wrote down that wrong answer and made no note about whatsoever, then you know, they don't get any credit for it. Because if they are managed to write down you should have negative four litres of water in this bucket. They are not understanding what they're doing, even if they're doing the mechanical stuff. Mostly right. So

Jessamyn 59:04 you guys is lovely.

mathowie 59:06 It's fascinating house. Like, why is it calculus? What can we do to little little kids to make Keck I would go home from college, exhausted as if I worked a trail crew all day, when I had a calculus class like my head would hurt, I would be so tired from trying to wrap my head around calculus. It wasn't great. A Bridge Too Far. Well, this

Cortex 59:28 book, this book talks very little about calculus. And when it does talk about it talks about it in a way of talking about it. So don't be afraid that he's gonna be like, No, really, I can teach you calculus.

Jessamyn 59:38 I read one of those books, too. It was like a Winans guide to calculus or something and it did not help. I don't know what my problem is.

Cortex 59:45 Calculus is just it's kind of it's conceptually hard to get on board with I think I think it really just is

mathowie 59:51 no basis.

Jessamyn 59:53 surely get. I just Yeah, I can't hook it to something in my life very well.

Cortex 59:57 Exactly.

mathowie 59:57 I never thought about one over x support between infinity and I never wanted to. And I was forced to I don't know why.

Cortex 1:00:05 Anyway, how not to be wrong. It's an excellent book. And I strongly recommend it because I enjoyed it a great deal. That's a great meet up. And actually, we're not on camera, but I'll hold the book up like this at the end of the interview segment on bookstores. Jordan, thanks for being here.

mathowie 1:00:20 Denver. Some weird math guy who knew you but not through Jordan. It was weird. He couldn't explain why he said his story. I don't like his name,

Cortex 1:00:29 Douglas something. Oh, duck walk. Yes, that sounds right.

mathowie 1:00:32 Yeah, sure.

Jessamyn 1:00:33 How do you know weird math guys? Weird music guy.

mathowie 1:00:35 Oh, right. Right. Yeah, he's,

Jessamyn 1:00:37 I mean, he also is a math guy. Probably. Yeah, he's on meta filter. And he knows librarian friends of mine from a long time ago.

mathowie 1:00:43 Okay. Yeah. A long time ago. Jessamyn story

Jessamyn 1:00:48 on the East Coast for West Coast for a while. He was

Cortex 1:00:50 very nice and soft spoken. But yeah, we never found out what the what the? What the hook. dealio?

Jessamyn 1:00:56 Well, he's a friend of Jordans. And I think we're all like on a mailing list together.

mathowie 1:01:02 This was the most amazing post about Bob Dylan, did you read this story? It's so incredible. Some guy is like, I think his sister died or his parents died. He has some giant building in New York. He's about to wreck it and sell it. It's sort of,

Jessamyn 1:01:18 you know, over in house and on the village in the village. Yeah,

mathowie 1:01:22 yeah. And apparently, Dylan rented one of the bottom studios as a studio once because he lived around the corner. And that's all he knew. And this guy is going through this building that's about to be sold. And as part of a giant estate thing. And he finds his box in a closet, he forgot to even open like in four or five sweeps. And there's just all these weird acetate recordings. And they're like, Dylan recording so so he calls up a Bob Dylan expert. And there's this blog post written from the from as this Bob Dylan expert who's like, I put down the phone and bought a plane ticket and went to New York like amazing story of basically. And this is the thing that cracks me up. So the acetate recording is like this temporary record you make, like right there with like a metal lathe and you only play it 20 or 30 times it starts to break down and right there

Jessamyn 1:02:17 basically things that people you could make it and kind of they had these DIY recording booths that you could get to that would make just kind of cheapy can't play him very often records.

mathowie 1:02:26 So we've talked about in the history of the record industry. acetates are mostly for like the end of day. So if you're, you know, Bob Dylan, you've been recording all day, you'd make a cut of your best song of the day, you go home, like wait three hours, go eat dinner, really listen to it, come back to the studio tomorrow and edit, you know, so they had these temporary acetates this weird one was the head so many, and these are all unknown. These are all works in progress. His producer was in Nashville, and he stayed in New York. So this literally is the emailing a dropbox link to an mp3. You do today, everyone I know who works for the record producer does live in the same city, they send they exchange Dropbox accounts, and they they just send an mp3 to each other and the producer goes Oh, I'm gonna sweeten that up and send you an mp3. This is the 1968 version of mp3 swapping. And so there's 149 records they have notes written on him like that's the email part or like I liked the Oregon's bringing up the vocals like they they mailed them back in forth to each other. And then the guy says he took a picture of the front and back of every single one. He digitized the recording. He played them once in a perfect environment. But and

Jessamyn 1:03:36 he says that Bob Dylan owns the rights to all the music and so he can decide what to do with the stuff. Yeah, that's the follow up by soccer mom is the very last comment. Yeah, it'd

mathowie 1:03:47 be great if this stuff ended up in the archive as mp3 is you can press play on that as the only part of you know, bummed out about

Jessamyn 1:03:55 a great story but still kind of a what

Cortex 1:03:57 found someone's private property? Yeah, it's kind of tricky.

mathowie 1:04:01 Yeah, there's still way under copyright and stuff in person selling some of the discs. So it's a little weird, but I don't know. It's pretty cool thing you can

Jessamyn 1:04:11 sell the discs, but the IP belongs to Dylan. Right?

mathowie 1:04:14 Yeah, it would just be great to hear what these in progress songs look like. But yeah, there's a really cool it's a fun like really long blog post that started off the post.

Cortex 1:04:27 I really enjoyed a weird thing. This is a post about Rocos Basler which is basically just a kind of thought experiment that a few people on the internet are very, very taken by in sort of a weird silly internet drama way but the idea is basically it it's all singularity stuff. It's it's imagine the singularity in the form of a super powerful supercomputer some some AI comes along and changes the world by being so smart and so powerful that it manages to, you know, whatever deal with scarcity issues, all of a sudden we enter the utopian future of you know, no more need no more want everything is great because the computer can solve all the problems. And people can probably upload their brains into the matrix if they want to, you know, there's, there's, there's a wide variety of ideas of exactly what this notional sort of sci fi Utopia future would look like. But a lot of them come with the idea that okay, you get this great, hugely powerful sentient AI that becomes part of our experience of the world. And

Jessamyn 1:05:33 seen in fiction all the time.

Cortex 1:05:35 Sure. Yeah. And you see it utopian and dystopian. I'd say usually, it seems like it comes up dystopian, like Skynet, obviously, is the the bad version, let's say, you know, the computer comes online, it becomes software, and it blows us to pieces with nukes or the matrix or whatever. But you could also make the argument of like, oh, no, actually, it's, you know, it's just part of making the world better. You know? In any case, you can imagine the idea of a friendly artificial intelligence that basically values humanity and values, human values, that decide helps

Jessamyn 1:06:03 make us all awesomer. That's what www wonder. That's the book that I read is super about that.

Cortex 1:06:10 Yeah. So you think that idea, you have this AI, it's, it's an incredibly powerful thing that can do things like simulate people, you know, we can run basically simulated versions of people it cares about humanity wants humanity to prosper. And you go through this tortured reasoning that someone came up for, on the I think, basically on the site less wrong, which is a sort of rationalistic place. But this whole idea is kind of weird. If you go through the reasoning, you basically say the AI knows that it is making humanity better, the AI knows that making humanity better is important, the sooner it can come online, the better for humanity. So it should motivate humanity to Bring It Online faster. And one of the ways I could do that is by

Jessamyn 1:06:53 torturing this passage and starting to kill people until we do it.

Cortex 1:06:56 Well, you know, torturing for eternity simulations of people who knew about the possibility of bringing along center along online sooner, but failed to do it, because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. But if you just write it does is basically the argument I get the AI is malicious, well, no, it's not malicious. It's doing it's doing hardship. Never

Jessamyn 1:07:16 torture doesn't solve a problem.

Cortex 1:07:19 If it if the threat of torture incentivizes solving a problem, then there's a utilitarian, you could say, it's this whole same argument that

Jessamyn 1:07:26 like, internet guys fat to this stuff,

Cortex 1:07:29 I think that maybe what it comes down to is, is there's a lot of really, really questionable assumptions that people aren't necessarily on board with that makes this idea work. But the idea is, if you if you take them all, if you take it as true that the AI would try and motivate people through this, basically, if we can imagine that the AI reduces incentivizing? Yeah, we the basketball scare comes in is the idea that by telling someone about this idea, you've now put it into their mind that they're aware of the possibility that by helping the AI come along sooner, they'd be helping humanity. And so if they then failed to do everything they can, the computer will, in the future, punish them by torturing simulated versions of them. Because maybe, because you know, it will do that, then you'll be motivated to give all your money to whatever the artificial intelligence Institute or whatever it's called. It's a really, it's a weird, crazy thing. But it was kind of a fun, interesting discussion about it and trying to figure out where there are in our philosophical grounds for some of this stuff. And also, we had one weird band user tried to sign up twice and got banned again twice in it, which was an odd thing right in the middle of the thread. But

mathowie 1:08:39 my favorite part of the whole thing is that they're all leaking to the rational wiki for these write ups. And one of the footnotes is something

Jessamyn 1:08:47 about trans humor AZ you have to say who it's by the rule.

mathowie 1:08:51 One of the footnotes on the rational wiki is is talking about transhumanism it says The Singularity Is Near data citation not needed. Amazing.

Cortex 1:09:04 The rationalist wiki is really interesting to read because how much of it is in its style and aesthetic specifically reacting to dominant Wikipedia themes in its own

Jessamyn 1:09:14 right why are they more popular? I don't know.

mathowie 1:09:19 I was stoked to solve a 20 year mystery for me which was where did the which exact Calvin panel is the P and Calvin in my mind that from the day I saw it, I went I know there's a panel where he's like in a corner plotting and he's rubbing his hands like hahaha, or he's filling a water balloon or US does about to do something evil and I remember being in a corner, right yeah, but you can tell I'm like I know what that's from and I never could find it and it's in this post about the Calvin pain decal and the the changes how it turned into Calvin Prain and how like figure at and it's great about the history Basically the long history of the horrible Calvin pain decal and how much Watterson completely hates it. Like he never licensed anything. And then the one that lasting thing we see is like the worst possible representation of Calvin's. So sad. Such a crappy, crappy thing to go down in history for. But that was fun.

Jessamyn 1:10:23 Great post filter.

Cortex 1:10:27 So we ask, Should we order after?

Jessamyn 1:10:31 I think so. Here is something that is near and dear to my heart, which is helped me unpack peanut butter, my breakfast. So ever since I've been a little kid. Peanut butter is like one of my staple proteins that I enjoyed the most besides sort of the meat based proteins that are not as good for you. It's pretty so this Yeah, and so this person basically eats peanut butter sandwiches for breakfast, so that they can sort of make it to lunch, but now they're trying to sort of do some health and maybe weight loss, but I don't want to have a bowl of cereal and blah, blah, blah. And so a whole bunch of people talk about good things you can have in the morning that are tasty and peanut butter, like without being peanut buttery in order to keep your blood sugar up. So Jessamyn bookmark because this post is useful for Jessamyn.

mathowie 1:11:22 And I never even thought of having peanut butter during breakfast.

Cortex 1:11:27 Pure banana pancakes with a little bit of syrup. Oh man,

mathowie 1:11:30 PB two powdered peanut butter is a thing.

Jessamyn 1:11:34 But it's kind of disgusting and it's got a lot of sugar in it, but a lot of people like it because if the fat content of peanut butter is what your problem is, it can sort of solve that problem.

mathowie 1:11:44 This person doesn't like oatmeal. That's my go to oatmeal can be a little boring as hell. I like

Jessamyn 1:11:53 oatmeal because you can spice it up with stuff you really like but it can also be a little carby if what you're trying to do is not have like a kind of a glycemic eat crash afterwards. Well, you know, everybody's got to kind of find their balance and you know, the sort of American Standard breakfast of like, cereal and toasted whatever. I mean, eggs are good and whatever. It's a nice it's a nice

mathowie 1:12:15 butter besides peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. With

Jessamyn 1:12:18 English muffins. You put it on crackers, you put it on toast, you put it on Triscuits you make little grilled sandwiches with them. You put them in pennies you put on celery. Yeah, you can mix it up in yogurt or oatmeal, or I'm sorry. Yeah, you didn't apples in it. I don't even know it's good.

Cortex 1:12:37 Basically everything you take something and you put it in the peanut butter. Boom.

Jessamyn 1:12:40 What can you do with it?

mathowie 1:12:42 I just think of as an ingredient all I think is sandwiches or I guess as a spread.

Cortex 1:12:47 You get up on your broaden your mind, man.

mathowie 1:12:50 I step on peanut butter in the morning. Yeah, it's good.

Jessamyn 1:12:53 I mean, it's good if you're a person who exercises early in the day too, because the calorie hit is not a non problem. And it means you've got some in your stomach.

mathowie 1:13:01 Sweet. Yes. My favorite, favorite. I know what's your favorite to Jessamyn is what are some interesting things about Microsoft Excel? Yes. Which is like the coolest craziest roundup of crazy shit. Like Scotch Oh, one seven bytes, simulators, paintings, like just all that. There's tricks. There's actual formulas to that people paste it in things you can do like all this weird stuff. Or you can figure how many days you've been since you've born like in the smallest possible way, like, oh, man, so much Excel stuff I did not know.

Jessamyn 1:13:35 Well, because for a lot of people, you're sort of forced to use it for one reason or another. And it's nice to know that it can do a thing that isn't quite so shitty while you're doing the sort of boring snore stuff that you have to do with it.

mathowie 1:13:48 Yeah, I remember in grad school learning way more about Excel than I ever knew with like data sorting and stuff when I had big datasets of stuff. Like all I knew was basic, some average, you know, median, like all the little shortcut formulas. But there was a lot of stuff. I didn't teach Paul the other day. Excel syntax, he had never written it out in his life. He'd always like highlight a button, or they use the buttons and stuff. I was like, you write equals, you write some open parenthesis. Hello. Why is this new to you? Wow. Some of us just, you know, they were having they have UI for it. So I think I had Lotus 123 on an Apple two or something. So I always knew some Well, they

Jessamyn 1:14:33 didn't use I mean, I've been using it for long enough that they didn't always have as much of the UI for it,

mathowie 1:14:38 right. Excel games you can download.

Jessamyn 1:14:43 Love it. Love it. Yeah. I enjoyed that post. Nice.

Cortex 1:14:50 I enjoyed this question about tricked out as and this is actually from how I won't say gone two months ago.

Jessamyn 1:14:58 But This question is named circular. Thank you.

Cortex 1:15:03 Yay verily West, he tricked out with many fineries is the title basically, they discovered that Oh, tricked out is is a phrase, you know, and they're sure like, hey, what's the deal with this old phrase? It's this new phrase now to and what else is like that and people managed to put together some sites and, and collect a bunch of different specific examples of stuff like an Oh Henry story where Willie says I'm trying to look fly. But, but yeah, wow.

Jessamyn 1:15:34 fangled appears in Chaucer. This is great,

Cortex 1:15:37 newfangled, definitively, not newfangled.

mathowie 1:15:41 I thought we had a post about this, like two or three years ago, like, like new phrasing, and really old stuff. But yeah, this was the thing that was picked up in the New Yorker, too. I think this, this

Jessamyn 1:15:53 was the one that got picked up by flavorwire. Without a lot of attribution.

mathowie 1:15:57 Boy, what was the Oh, the asthma filter was different. The New Yorker thing was this. I saw I saw other people pointing to this. So I thought it got wider. But yes. Yeah, that's crazy looking fly. Yep, that's

Jessamyn 1:16:16 one of my favorite things in that sort of so favorite, because it's the predictable people doing their predictable things is every time some poor fool walks into AskMe Metafilter, asking for information on buying a coffee maker. Everybody comes out of the woodwork and tries to explain why you've got to get the Chemex with the glass handle and the stuff, too, so that you can make the perfect coffee for basically the guy who used to have an espresso machine. And by saying an espresso machine, I don't mean an espresso machine, I mean, a machine called a Nespresso machine that makes fake espresso. So this is by blah, blah, blah, who's just trying to do the right thing and help Mr. Blah, blah, blah, get a new coffee banker. And we basically go through what is it 20 comments, most of which are completely ignoring the fact that they want something normal. So you know, you get AeroPress people in the Breville people and that this people that I stepped in and step right back out again. And at any rate, I think, Mr. Blah is going to be fine. But it's just you know, I look, I smile, I walk away.

mathowie 1:17:28 That remind me of a Chris Hardwick joke. When he came to Portland. He said, I came to Portland, I went and got a doughnut and a coffee and fuck you. I'm not going to tell you where I got them. Because I know I picked the wrong place. And you guys are gonna tell me 4000 better places I could have gotten both items like so yeah, that was very hilarious.

Cortex 1:17:47 I saw mentioned in somewhere on the XOXO blog for the upcoming 2014 He had mentioned something I think it was talking about hotel accommodations. And then somewhere in there said, and yes, Voodoo is still overrated. And

mathowie 1:18:01 this is a thing we all know. Yes.

Jessamyn 1:18:03 It's great, but they're still fine. And for somebody like me, Voodoo Donuts is amazing. Because all we have are donut shops that sell donuts. Yeah, and I like food. I mean, like normal donuts like Dunkin Donuts has every available donut selling license in the New England area. So there are other doughnuts.

Cortex 1:18:19 Yeah. I personally still like voodoo I I think I just I don't know I get I get tired of local tiredness with local things sometimes because there's like Voodoo Doughnuts, it's almost de rigueur to shit on it. And you know what, you should not plan a major culinary experience of Voodoo Doughnuts, but go buy a fucking doughnut you know it's a tasty donut it's fine to do a good job it eat it if you want to eat a doughnut it's not a big fucking deal you don't have to like get all defensive about oh no but don't go to voodoo mcmenamins Beer make millions of this big chain here. We've all been there it's perfectly fine. It's not the most brilliant beer in Portland but it's reliable good beer and they got a nice beers and it's like everybody wants to shoot

mathowie 1:19:06 fish this is the Phil Fish. This is exactly it. Which is don't just hate on I was at a comedy show in Portland where people were hating on Voodoo Doughnuts and someone went ahead went up someone to hate and they were hating on salt and straw and then the host went off on the person the audience like you're just trying to be a dumb hipster you know where you hate things that are popular but Salt Straw is fucking great. You as

Cortex 1:19:33 ice cream crazy. Like really local and yeah, they've got like four locations maybe including food carts or something like that. But

mathowie 1:19:40 oh, I hear your eyes roll. It's called literally farm to cone. So it'll be like it'll be like Rogue River cheese with like blueberries from down the street like it's but it's amazing. They're all crazy.

Jessamyn 1:19:55 Come from cows. Tila milk

mathowie 1:19:57 probably

Jessamyn 1:19:58 which is a far away that Is my my pups from cows I can walk to your states tiny

Cortex 1:20:04 that doesn't count.

Jessamyn 1:20:05 I didn't Massachusetts it's a little bigger.

Cortex 1:20:07 That's still tiny that New Boston people in New England don't know how far states are I mean, you know, because you've left but still, you can't account for things you have to count proportionally

Jessamyn 1:20:19 you know though city people city people think they're all farm to table when they're all

mathowie 1:20:25 farm to freeway to table right to V but oh I love this post that solved the mystery in my head which was I was but Rendell Patrick Murphy issue parking tickets so fast, you know, there's all these crazy smart meters is there like an iPad app in the parking meter person's like cart that they know when things are up? And someone's like, yes, that actually does happen that they're that like these outside companies come in with a contract and they write software and they get a cut of the ticket money. Like I was in Orange County a year ago at a funeral. And there was this crazy smart meter that a download app on my phone just to pay the damn meter. It took like 20 minutes and all my cousins were like just put in goddamn quarters. I was like, No, this has to work. It's supposed to work. I had to like scan a QR code. Like it was a nightmare. Nobody uses those things. I know. I want to prove like how ridiculous it took 20 minutes to pay for my meter. But then, you know, texted me when it

Jessamyn 1:21:31 was 20 free minutes at the meter though, because you just stand in there. Yeah.

mathowie 1:21:35 And then I got it to work. And it ping me two or three times. And I was at this all day reception. And I forgot at the end and I got a ticket. Like, you know, eight minutes outside of the time or something. I had a ticket and I went what they must know. So yes, there is a thing where they actually know that stuff. So I was just glad to get that mystery solved.

Jessamyn 1:21:58 Good. Good.

mathowie 1:21:59 Stupid parking.

Jessamyn 1:22:01 I enjoyed this post student parking stupid automobiles. This post by puppet big soccer since not to be confused with soccer mom, who was another sock person we've mentioned.

Cortex 1:22:13 I'm gonna do a rundown of all the usernames.

Jessamyn 1:22:15 Yeah, I think that's a great idea. So basically, this was like, Hey, me and my husband like to watch sets of movies, you know, so we want to watch all the Bond movies are all the blah and all the blah. But like, it's a fun experience to sort of be with your buddy and have kind of a set of movies you walk through. So I'm looking for good sets of movies that aren't like giant, but that, you know, you we can spend a year or half a year just watching a lot of movies on a theme or by a person or whatever. So people come up with sort of some of the standard standard suggestions. And of course, there's a Wikipedia list of list of films by common content. So you can just watch list of films featuring diabetes if you want to kill killer toy is Hindu mythology. But you know, mefites are, you know, creative bunch, and they came up with a whole bunch of great suggestions. So this is my favorite list generating post for the month.

mathowie 1:23:10 Oh, neat.

Cortex 1:23:11 No suggestion of watching every CRISPR walking movie though. I'm Africa. No, there isn't. I just searched the mention of August, which to be fair, that's maybe not the best way to get a collection of great films, but it'd be a great way to get a collection of films of walking. So I might I might, I might go forward my thesis after we're done with a podcast

mathowie 1:23:30 a couple of months. A couple years ago, I tried the month of state them where I had to track down every single state of movie after like eight or nine, eight or nine stata movies out of the 25 or so he'd done I mean, I just never want they still awesome in the kick ass action movies, but I had to watch and be like villain and dumb movies like garbage.

Jessamyn 1:23:50 Yeah, but that's kind of what's fun about it if you're just hanging out with someone you want to hang out with anyhow, the fact that the movie is garbage is not

Cortex 1:23:58 I like how it's like doing a movie podcast without the podcast Thank you. Thank you. I also enjoy I think it was added a slash to that accidentally when I pasted that in. In a similar theme. There's Brandon Batcher had a question about recommend some nonviolent TV which basically Hey, you know let's watch something that Game of Thrones is great but maybe something without all the stabbing and rape and so on. So it's just a nice sort of collection of Oh, yeah, well, here's a good TV that they may be concerned.

Jessamyn 1:24:31 Write Doc Martin in at the bottom?

Cortex 1:24:33 Yeah, I mean, I don't exactly agree with him there because because he

mathowie 1:24:40 should be more challenging, like dramas without violence, like comedies are easy without violence. That's you know, so goes Oh, I like no laugh track. That's good. I hate laugh tracks.

mathowie 1:24:58 Yes, I liked I liked this, this anonymous blog post about how to start an anonymous blog about being an escort not really the subject matter. I don't really care about the Escort part. I just think like, what is the state of the art of trying to be anonymous online? Cuz this question, I would love someone to just put this in a time capsule for every year going back to 95. Because I don't, especially with the NSA stuff. I don't think it's possible now like some human somewhere, even with all the Tor and all the crazy stuff like someone somewhere, like has access to a log file that can probably find you so people are just basically piling on the Tor pile. So it was, it was cool that there's a lot of

Jessamyn 1:25:47 well, it depends how anonymous you have to be right if you just need the blog to be anonymous or you need to interact with people and talk to them and blah blah blah.

mathowie 1:25:54 I don't know if I trust any mainstream BLOG HOST you know, there's so many humans at WordPress, there's so many humans at freakin Yahoo, you know, you can't really have a Tumblr blog, you have a Tumblr blog appear anonymous, but you know, humans, in the back end know who you are.

Jessamyn 1:26:10 I just heard my driveway alarm. So I may have somebody coming into the house.

mathowie 1:26:16 I am almost done here.

Jessamyn 1:26:20 It's just it beeps when somebody drives into the driveway, which gives you some time to like, put some pants on or whatever it is that you want to do. alarms, I have already wearing pants.

mathowie 1:26:30 I have no more asthma filters. Oh, well, I

Jessamyn 1:26:33 have a couple more my what my favorite one. While I always say they're my favorite. But this is by peach eater who I recently met at a meetup who asks about the difference between going to a library for doing ebooks versus getting physical copies of books for kids. And whether or not there's a difference, you know, the pros and cons of actually having book books in your house because her and her partner have you know, they're trying to downsize. So they don't have that many things in the house versus like you have a kid and like, you know, the kid wants to like touch books and have books and have things that belong to them. And is there a difference between using the library and having your own books and not and so a whole bunch of people talked about it and the thread and have a whole bunch of different reflections. And it was interesting for me to read because I of course have my strong feelings but other people have theirs as well.

mathowie 1:27:28 Oh, weird. I'm going through that right now the same exact way. I'm basically not buying too many more physical books. But I just gave my daughter, one of my old Kindles. And she was all stoked to have the hobbit on the Kindle. It was all new, but like, a year from now, will she be stoked on a whole bunch of new books on the Kindle? Because it's not like things you can touch or see.

Jessamyn 1:27:49 For a lot of people, you know, still reading books from the library solves is kind of an interim between just digital books and filling up your house with books.

mathowie 1:27:59 Right? Yeah, we always have a weekly library trip. I forgot that part. Yes,

Jessamyn 1:28:03 it is an interesting thing to think about because, you know, it's clearly a different user experience.

mathowie 1:28:08 I like I've passed peek book in my life like we have, for the first time my life I have more bookshelves and books like we built up extra bookshelves in a couple of rooms. And now like one of them's half full, and I don't think I'm gonna buy at the same rate I always have been and like we may not have may have opened bookshelves and more art pieces on them.

Jessamyn 1:28:30 I play a lot in the secondhand market, you know for me, so I'm always like picking up like six things at a book sale and being like, I'll read two or three of them and then keep the other ones around or given to people or whatever. But you know, it depends. It sort of depends what your what your consumption patterns are. Maybe you need a hammock, Matt.

mathowie 1:28:46 I just I just saw I had one there too high maintenance

Jessamyn 1:28:52 is too high maintenance. I can't relax because it's too hard for me to realize.

mathowie 1:28:57 Between trees and a stand that was deteriorating. There's a whole nightmare. I'm sure Josh solved it though. He probably has a good Hammock with good trees.

Cortex 1:29:08 I just sit in the afternoon when the shade of the house gives me shade and it's a nine foot long frame. It's sort of a short frame but the we take the hammock, can we put it on the frame and lay down the hammock and then when we're done that evening, we take the hammock off the frame and take it inside and that's the whole

Jessamyn 1:29:24 trees with a hammock between them and I just go sit in it outside but you can use a chair for the same thing and sit in it and read you know, ya know,

mathowie 1:29:31 whoa.

Cortex 1:29:34 A hammock man. In hammocks, all kinds of I feel like when I lay in the hammock, I haven't been able to figure out how this works every time. Like if I'm here for a while I'd like I really have to pee afterwards. Is it something about like

Jessamyn 1:29:52 the funny way that I

Cortex 1:29:55 would usually wanting to lay in a hammock correlates with wanting to drink beer and maybe how I had a bunch of water earlier in the air so I don't know I can't figure it out but it's a it's a thing science. Yeah.

mathowie 1:30:06 Like talk and see

Cortex 1:30:10 a hammock district?

mathowie 1:30:11 Yeah, hammock ladder. Yeah happens all the time

Jessamyn 1:30:18 the last thing I wanted to mention Are you guys done with us metal filter?

Cortex 1:30:22 I can mention this one question in passing. That seems like an interesting enough question about an allergy but really is on my list of things that made me slightly annoyed on the internet because the title is a joke about a video game I like very much and then it's not about

Jessamyn 1:30:36 planes why I didn't understand it at all Yeah,

Cortex 1:30:38 X com UFO unknown or Enemy Unknown. Rather is the name of the game and so anyway, X calm allergy unknown. I hope prunes

Jessamyn 1:30:48 about the girlfriend news chance swelled up after she opened the laundry right that's the new one. Yeah. Anyway, that's all I just wanted to mention that metal filter music is celebrating another birthday and so they're doing a torrent 2.8 gigabytes from last year. I think that's all the music and I think people are seeing it people are downloading it you can get all the music and have it thank you Pronoiac for doing it again not on display Jim is seeding it and a bunch of other people are it's super cool.

Cortex 1:31:19 Get your get your pile and filter music through

Jessamyn 1:31:23 to listen to my CDs but I'm very excited about this.

mathowie 1:31:26 Wow it's just one year it's like three terabytes wow so it's probably about 30 or 32 ish. Wow that's a lot of space.

Jessamyn 1:31:40 Super cool. That's it for you guys. I can skip 10 to my 10 to my driveway alarm as much as talk to you it's been a while

Cortex 1:31:49 yeah, no I think I think that's it for me.

mathowie 1:31:52 Yeah metal filters big birthdays coming up in a week meet up at my house excellently

mathowie 1:31:59 I wish I could whatever Star Trek my way over there in an instant.

Jessamyn 1:32:03 It would be super fun you just take pictures that would be a good time.

Cortex 1:32:06 You're gonna have a Barry meetup at Green Dragon the weekend after the actual day so you can just come to Portland you know?

Jessamyn 1:32:13 Yeah. Yeah, it's really nice crowd there.

mathowie 1:32:16 Sweet. I don't know we should do on the actual Bastille Day Day but

Cortex 1:32:20 I'll just I don't know have a glass of scotch and look

mathowie 1:32:23 headboard drunken moderating

Jessamyn 1:32:29 I'll try pranking you all all day.

mathowie 1:32:31 Sweet Sweet All right, cool. That was great. Good to see you guys

Jessamyn 1:32:37 as always all right bye Bye. You might remember when we perform for example,

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