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A transcript for Episode 50: "Zer0 day with MC Frontalot" (2010-03-31).

Pronoiac set up a Fanscribed page, and this transcript came from there.

Transcript

jingle: (theme music)

mathowie: MC Frontalot!

MC Frontalot: (sing-song) Hey hey hey!

jessamyn: Hey!

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: So, are you rehearsing for the big tour?

MC Frontalot: Yeah, we've been doing that for the last few days. We had a really sleepy-looking rehearsal this morning, at 10.

Which we had to conclude quickly, so that the drummer could go do his day job at the dildo store in Northampton.

mathowie: Sweet!

cortex: (laughs)

jessamyn: Wait! He works at the dildo store in Northampton? Massachusetts?

MC Frontalot: Yup! Yeah!

jessamyn: You have a bi-coastal band?

MC Frontalot: My band's all over the place. I'm in Brooklyn, my main collaborator and official keyboardist lives with me in Brooklyn, my bass player just moved -

to New Haven, because he fell in love with a scientist at Yale.

jessamyn: Good gracious.

MC Frontalot: One of my drummers lives in Staten Island, another of them lives here in Northampton, my newest drummer lives in San Francisco, and my keyboardist who's coming on tour with us for the first time, Vic-20, he lives in San Francisco also. We had to import him.

mathowie: Your drummer in Austin was amazing.

jessamyn: He was great.

mathowie: Would that be Darklord guy?

MC Frontalot: Yes, that's the guy. That's The Sturgenius. He's the one who's coming with us for this couple of months here.

mathowie: Sweet.

So why is your tour, I saw your tour dates, mostly the South, right?

MC Frontalot: First half of it's through the South and into the Rockies. The second half of it will be West Coast, through the Midwest, and back to the Northeast.

mathowie: Oh, so it hasn't been announced yet.

MC Frontalot: Yes. The second half of it I need to get posted, perhaps today. Internet's been a bit spotty. Apparently working at the dildo store does not pay The Sturgenius enough to have good Internet at his house.

jessamyn: Awwww.

MC Frontalot: Awwwww.

jessamyn: The public library in Northampton has great wifi! The Coolidge library.

MC Frontalot: Oh. Nice.

jessamyn: Send him over there with laptop.

MC Frontalot: We're actually up in Holyoke for the recordings, but--

mathowie: Oh, sweet.

MC Frontalot: I mean, for the rehearsings. But now I'm at Eastworks, home of TopatoCo and also diesel sweeties industries, or whatever Rich called his business.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: Oh, cool. I thought he was Canadian.

MC Frontalot: So I'm going to be leeching their Internet all day.

mathowie: Are you going to make it up to Portland on the West Coast tour?

MC Frontalot: We are. I think we're playing Dante's.

mathowie: Oh, sweet. Sweet. I watched Nerdcore Uprising on the flight home. That was 2006, right?

MC Frontalot: That was the first tour we did, then it was in 2006, when that got filmed.

mathowie: And like, how...?

MC Frontalot: See all of our youthful innocence melting away right before your eyes.

mathowie, cortex, and jessamyn: (laugh)

mathowie: As I was watching it and I was remembering your shows in Austin, it seemed like half the shows weren't that great, in terms of the audience and the crowd acceptance and... like, does that still...?

MC Frontalot: Oh, in the movie?

mathowie: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you've gotten... and your stage presence has gotten way better and more fun.

MC Frontalot: Oh, thanks!

mathowie: But even in Austin, I sort of saw it in Austin, like the Web Awards, that was weird, not-receptive crowd.

MC Frontalot: (chuckles)

mathowie: Like, how often... I mean, what's your batting average on doing a show that's successful and not successful these days?

MC Frontalot: Well, it is pretty rare that we have something like those Web Awards, where we've been just kind of brought in to provide some kind of interstitial entertainment and the crowd is not there for us and doesn't necessarily know who we are. Those shows are always a little rough on the ego, but they're very few and far between, and they're usually pretty well-compensated financially [in order for us to ?] be in that situation.

mathowie and cortex: (laugh)

MC Frontalot: So you kind of use that to bring yourself back up to an emotional parity of some kind.

cortex: I was wondering: is that the largest bad crowd you've played to--

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: --or have you played even larger crowd that [??]?

jessamyn: Half-time shows or something.

MC Frontalot: Actually, you know, the very largest crowd I've ever played in front of was also the worst, (chuckling) in terms of ratio of fans to completely disinterested parties, and that was at BlizzCon,

last year, that room had ten thousand kids in it.

cortex: Jesus.

mathowie: Oh my god.

MC Frontalot: We were brought in to do little three-song sets in between each panel.

jessamyn: Oh, gosh.

MC Frontalot: And the kids just desperately wanted to see the next panel, and none of them would leave their seats, because then someone else--

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: --of the 30,000 people in the convention center, they were all hovering waiting to grab those chairs. So they just wanted to watch panels all afternoon and find out what the Shaman's new fucking power-up was going to be.

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: And so we come out and we're doing these three-song sets, and the sound is never terribly crisp in a room that size, and so I don't think they could hear the lyrics, necessarily, and most of them didn't know who I was, and there was a nice little crowd of kids who were surprised that their favorite nerd rapper had shown up randomly at BlizzCon who were up front freaking out.

But there was, it was like a handful of them, and then this room of 10,000 people just (laboriously) waiting for me to get off the stage.

jessamyn: (chuckles)

mathowie: Oh my god.

MC Frontalot: And then we had to do that four, five times.

mathowie: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: Over the course of the afternoon. But on the other hand, we got to hang out backstage with Ozzy Osbourne, so.

mathowie: Sweet.

jessamyn: Hey!

MC Frontalot: You get and you give.

mathowie: Was Mr. T there, since he's sort of in the WoW universe now?

MC Frontalot: No, I didn't see Mr. T at all.

mathowie: Do you even have a song about Warcraft, sorta?

MC Frontalot: No. They were, after they hired me for that, they were like, "You have a Warcraft song, right?" I'm like, "No."

mathowie: (chuckles) "You were thinking of..."

MC Frontalot: [??] "Nah. No."

mathowie and jessamyn: (laugh)

mathowie: "You were thinking of The Guild." (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: Slightly crestfallen. Guild was there, the whole Guild was there.

mathowie: Oh, okay. Huge stars.

MC Frontalot: Everybody was super nice. I liked, I loved doing the BlizzCon show, it was just a little bit challenging to send the music out into a vast sea of indifference and

impatience. I much prefer having a hundred kids at a small rock club who are all there to see me on purpose and know the words and stuff. That's the best.

mathowie: Yeah, yeah. Was the show we went to pretty good turnout-wise?

jessamyn: Flamingo Cantina show.

MC Frontalot: Yeah, that was, I think we had more than a hundred in that room, and that's... any time you get over about fifty, sixty people in the room and they're all really there to see the show, it's going to be a good show.

They'll be there reflecting the energy back and making everything fun.

mathowie: So we should talk about the new album, does it, oh, I guess it hasn't come out yet, sort of.

MC Frontalot: Not, yeah. I'm doing this sort of, I don't know what you would call it. Since I don't have a record label or anything, I can just sort of goof off and do things however the hell I want. Although technically you're still supposed to release albums on Tuesdays. I don't know if you know this.

mathowie: Oh, right, yeah.

MC Frontalot: All albums come out on Tuesdays--

jessamyn: You are totally pulling my leg. That is not true.

mathowie: No, no.

cortex: It's a freemason thing. It's...

mathowie: Albums and movies always...

jessamyn: What? What? That makes no sense!

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: Everything released to CD and DVD happens on Tuesday, always.

jessamyn: Really?

mathowie: Yes. I think to be delivered--

MC Frontalot: I didn't know until...

mathowie: It's probably because of the mail service and record shops back in the day.

MC Frontalot: Definitely has to do with old physical distribution channels, but--

cortex: And it makes sense--

jessamyn: Wow!

MC Frontalot: --[??] still do it, because now it's also keying into publication schedules for [??] week press, and magazine reviews, and I don't know. I think they just want only four times a month to have a list of things that just came out.

mathowie: That's true.

MC Frontalot: Which kind of makes sense.

mathowie: So you can buy it right now and download it, right?

MC Frontalot: Yes. You can pre-order, which is a meaningless phrase.

jessamyn: (chuckle)

MC Frontalot: You can order the CD, and it will come to you on April 6th, when it technically comes out, but then you can download it right now.

And the fancy thing about that is, this time I succeeded in grabbing the 24-bit raw output from the mastering session, and then cobbling that back together in the same timing as the CD, so if you download the 24-bit FLAC off of my website, it's actually considerably higher quality than the CD version.

mathowie: I would have to be an oscilloscope to recognize that, though.

MC Frontalot: Or just have an expensive stereo and a huge sense of self-satisfaction over your audiophile trickery.

mathowie: Yeah.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: I hate FLAC so much. (chuckles) Just because people are so into it.

jessamyn: (laughs) Spoken like a true nerd.

mathowie: Yeah. Like other nerds are too nerdy for me.

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: So, (laughing) Andy told me the secret of the secret track! I'm so happy.

jessamyn: I heard about that on Twitter.

MC Frontalot: Oh, really?

mathowie: I think Andy Baio...

MC Frontalot: Yeah, people were kinda leaking hints on Twitter. Though I haven't seen anyone do a step-by-step yet, so it's still...

jessamyn: I haven't either.

MC Frontalot: You still gotta have some skillz0rs in order to crack it open.

jessamyn: We won't tell them.

mathowie: I heard that--yeah, no, I won't tell.

cortex: Yeah, otherwise it'd be pretty joy-killing, I think, is the (laughing) key phrase for... sorry.

mathowie: Yeah. So MC Frontalot, how'd you find Metafilter eight years ago?

MC Frontalot: How did I find it? Gosh. It was so long ago, who knows. I think it was just the kind of thing that people had on the links off the sides on their webpages. People didn't really have blogs way back then, so I'm not going to say it was on the blogrolls, but whatever space a blogroll now occupies, whatever that space was called eight years ago. It was, just, you would always see it. It was known amongst people who spent too much

time on Internet.

mathowie: Yeah. You used to be a web designer, I take it?

MC Frontalot: Yes. I used to [??]--

jessamyn: As a day job.

MC Frontalot: Yeah. I mean, I didn't tend to do it during the day, but--

jessamyn, mathowie, and cortex: (laugh)

jessamyn: But you did that for money and now you're a full-time rapper, is that the case?

MC Frontalot: That is my wondrous living of the American dream, right there.

jessamyn: So great. So great.

mathowie: Yeah, how much--

MC Frontalot: I no longer have clients.

mathowie: How much of a day job is it? I mean, it is now, as you've gotten an album and a tour, but...

MC Frontalot: I certainly spend way more time and energy on my MC Frontalot empire than I ever did on my clients' webpages.

mathowie and cortex: (laugh)

MC Frontalot: [Look at that ?].

mathowie: So are you always writing--?

MC Frontalot: If I could somehow bill myself for everything I do on MC Frontalot I would be

incredibly wealthy.

jessamyn: You need to be Frontalot LLC at this point, right?

mathowie: Yeah!

MC Frontalot: I should do something like that. I'm probably exposing myself to various liabilities by accidentally earning money being a rapper.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: I actually, I want to ask you a quick question which was prompted by something you said just now, and which first occurred to me when we were doing the radio show back in Austin during Southby, which is that you use Internet without a definite article in front, you don't

say 'the Internet', you seem to say 'Internet' pretty consistently. Does that map to--?

MC Frontalot: I just say 'Internet', that's right.

cortex: Was that an intentional choice, or does that map to any article use habits?

MC Frontalot: That is exactly what it appears to be, an affectation.

cortex and jessamyn: (chuckle)

MC Frontalot: Very intentionally adopted, and sometimes I try and make it communicable. I think I've got, I approach various Internet luminaries, try to get them to talk that way, thinking eventually--

cortex: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: --it will catch on. I think I've got Randall Munroe talking like that. I know I've got Jeff Rowland on it.

cortex: He seems like he would be susceptible.

MC Frontalot: And now all of you guys. Here's the logic.

cortex: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if I can get on board. I like the idea--

jessamyn: I want to hear the logic! Shut up, Josh.

cortex: Okay.

jessamyn: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: Well, so the logic is, like, you remember people started saying Internets after the 2004 presidential debate--

mathowie: Yeah.

MC Frontalot: --and that was like a slip of George Bush's tongue

in the debate, and then everyone was like, ha-ha, I'm going to say Internets, instead of, this is 'the Internets' instead of 'the Internet', and it'll sort of sound as if I don't know what I'm talking about, but secretly I'm signifying that I know what I'm talking about more than you do, right? So that's sort of the idea, and all of the morphs of it are the same idea, like Intarwebs and all of that nonsense, right?

jessamyn: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: So, but each of those gets tedious very quickly, and so you're always trying to find the next thing to say. And I think we should--I think we, who are truly in the know, should settle on Internet with no definite article, because then you really sound like you're John McCain or someone who doesn't know what it's called.

jessamyn: Or you're talking about [church ?].

MC Frontalot: Or it could be you really do know what it's called, and plus, why, how, why does something that's everywhere need a definite article?

cortex: Well, see, that's--

MC Frontalot: Like, that's ridiculous. It's not some dude named... it's not the King of Siam or something, it's just Internet. You've got Internet all over the place.

I think you should still use the plural when you're talking about an amount of Internet, like how much Internets do you have on your phone?

cortex: (chuckles) So it's not a mass noun. It's a...

jessamyn: How many Internets?

cortex: It remains a count noun.

MC Frontalot: Well, sure, but then that's... I don't know. I avoid anything that's, the more properly you speak, the less wool you're successfully pulling over the eyes of those who [??]. Talk how you want.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: It jumped out at me because it strikes me it could be misinterpreted by a couple people as an intentional choice for other reasons, one being the way that in the U.K., for example, instead of 'going to the hospital' you 'go to hospital'. People might think--

MC Frontalot: Right. You go to university, you go to hospital... it's kind of like that.

jessamyn: You go to church.

cortex: So they might think you're a military brat whose dad spent some time in Wales or something.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: So you have that danger, but also, I wonder if people would assume that you're trying to nationalize the Internet, like, you don't say 'I'm going to the Spain',

'I'm going to Spain'. 'I'm going to Internet'. You know, I wonder if, you know, that's gonna--

MC Frontalot: Exactly. I'm going to Internet. Why don't you just look at Internet for that?

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: Where is Spain, anyway?

jessamyn: Well, and 'I'm going to Internet' is delightful because it makes it seem like a gerund form of a verb, Internetting.

MC Frontalot: Right.

jessamyn: 'I'm going to Internet' 'I have Internetted' 'I will be Internetting'.

MC Frontalot: 'I've Internetted before.'

jessamyn: 'I would have Internetted.'

MC Frontalot: (chuckles)

cortex: 'I will have been Internetting'.

jessamyn: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: There you go.

jessamyn: Exactly.

MC Frontalot: 'I Internet regulalalaly.'

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Man. Oh, yeah, I can't wrap my head how weird it sounds when British people say, I go to university or hospital.

MC Frontalot: Right.

jessamyn: They say maths too, though, so there's no accounting for what British people say.

mathowie: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: But anyway, [??] if you want to start talking like that.

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: Sorry. If you want to start talking like that, get in on the ground floor. That's my advice.

cortex: I'll think about it. I think I might actually just have to be your usage rival on this rather than

on board. But that'll help stoke the--

mathowie: (chuckles)

jessamyn: Ask him how he pronounces the name of the website!

cortex: How do you pronounce the name of our website?

jessamyn: No, you! Oh.

cortex: The short version.

mathowie: No.

cortex: Oh, me?

mathowie: We need to poll others.

jessamyn: Well, we can poll Frontalot first and then Josh, you can reveal how contrary you are.

mathowie: Yeah, that's true.

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: You don't say Metafilter?

cortex: No, no, no, the short form, M-E-F-I.

jessamyn: M-E-F-I.

MC Frontalot: Oh. I say MeFi [ˈmɛfi].

mathowie: Whaat?

jessamyn: Liar!

cortex: Wow. (laughs)

MC Frontalot: Meh-fee. Meh for 'meta' and then fee, which is wrong.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Is that Josh's version? Josh, is that--?

cortex: No, I say MeFi [ˈmɛˌfɑɪ].

MC Frontalot: MeFi [ˈmɛˌfɑɪ]?

jessamyn: Oh! You know, my friends in town here say Mef [ˈmɛf]--

cortex: But we are brothers in the soft first syllable, and so I high-five you over the Internet. I high-five you over Internet.

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: This is a current controversy on the site, including university research.

jessamyn: Not like a real controversy-controversy, but a nerds-arguing-about-nerdly-things controversy.

mathowie: Yes.

MC Frontalot: A nerdtroversy.

jessamyn and mathowie: (laugh)

jessamyn: Exactly.

Exactly.

mathowie: Yeah, that's the name of your next album.

cortex: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: Nerdtroversy?

jessamyn: Nerdtroversy. Because you say nerd travesty, nerd... yeah!

MC Frontalot: Nerd--

sfx: (weird echoey noise from MC Frontalot's mic)

cortex: (laughing) What was that?

jessamyn: Is that your mom?

mathowie: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: I'm in this sort of dreamlike giant empty white room. It looks like an art gallery with no art in it, and somebody just stuck their head in and said 'spring break'. I'm not sure what happened.

cortex and jessamyn: (laugh)

jessamyn: You should totally take a picture.

mathowie: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: I would, but my picture-taking device is glued to my ear for voice communications.

mathowie: Oh, true.

jessamyn: Aghh.

MC Frontalot: First-world problem.

mathowie: Yeah. We should come up with suggested subjects for your next bunch of songs.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: I'm sure people do this to you all the time.

MC Frontalot: I take requests. I put them all in a flat file and just pull them out when it's time to write a bunch of songs.

mathowie: So here's my idea. I listened to your entire fifty, sixty songs. You've tackled the war, politics, homophobia, I was like, you know what nerd problem needs to be highlighted?

Male answer syndrome.

jessamyn: Oh god. He is so right.

mathowie: A song about male answer syndrome would be great. Because it would skewer men...

MC Frontalot: What's male answer syndrome? I've never even heard of this.

mathowie: Oh, man.

jessamyn: Ohhh!

mathowie: Where do we start?

jessamyn: On Ask Metafilter, no matter what the question is and no matter who it's geared towards and no matter who the questioner asks to respond, you always get the same three or four guys especially, but in general, just dudes being like,

"Well, I'm not really sure, but I think erararar."

MC Frontalot: Yeah.

jessamyn: And it's this thing, that they're trying to be helpful, they mean well, they're not just these kind of jerks, but they really feel the need to say what they care about in every single thread. It could be a thread about pubic hair grooming.

MC Frontalot: Yes.

jessamyn: And dudes are like, "Well, what I really like on a girl..." and you're like, "What? Who cares? Nobody asked!"

mathowie: I think I saw a dude answering in a bra thread, like, "What bra should I run in?"

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: It was like, "Well, you know," maybe Google male answer syndrome, I think it was the word of the year three or four years ago or something, but--

MC Frontalot: Huh.

jessamyn: It's actually three words.

mathowie: (laughs) It's just, you know, the tendency of a guy to always answer whether he's right or not versus how women--

MC Frontalot: Yeah.

mathowie: Like, and augh, it drives us crazy.

jessamyn: And we have to [??].

cortex: This is not a [??] statement about men in general, just a statement about correlation between maleness and the habit.

MC Frontalot: Wow. I just stepped on a nail. And I sort of did it almost on purpose. It's super embarrassing.

cortex: (laughs)

jessamyn: I heard that. Are you okay?

cortex: Are you bleeding?

jessamyn: Do you need a tetanus shot?

MC Frontalot: Yes! Wow. I'm bleeding.

mathowie: Wow.

MC Frontalot: When's the last time I had a... I don't think I've had a tetanus booster since Burning Man '98.

jessamyn: Oh god.

mathowie: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: [??] a really clean nail. It only just barely went in.

jessamyn: (laughs) Is this how you end all your phone interviews?

cortex and mathowie: (laugh)

MC Frontalot: That was just really stupid of me.

jessamyn: Awww.

MC Frontalot: I was sort of bending these exposed nails down with my shoe and then--

mathowie: (chuckles)

cortex: Ah, yeah.

MC Frontalot: --didn't get a good angle on one of them.

jessamyn: Oh god.

cortex: That's one of those things that while you're doing it you sort of think it's okay--

MC Frontalot: On top of which, my--

cortex: --then it goes wrong and you're like, oh, yeah, I was just doing that, wasn't I? I was just...

jessamyn: I just totally did that thing.

MC Frontalot: That was me.

mathowie: I would question the quality of your footwear.

cortex: (chuckling) Are you gonna be okay?

MC Frontalot: Yeah, this Adidas is garbage. And now it's gonna be leaky, too.

jessamyn: Euhhh.

mathowie: Euhhh.

jessamyn: You could probably fill that with shoe goo, though.

MC Frontalot: Jeffrey Rowland's phoning me. Hi Joanna!

mathowie: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: That's his little... that's his dead cat. In the comic strip, is named Joanna.

mathowie: Oh, right, yes.

MC Frontalot: I think it's sort of a zombie cat. [??]

cortex: Yeah, yeah, she's in a strange sort of state of undeath.

mathowie: So how can we wrap this up, besides a nail through the foot?

MC Frontalot: (laughs)

jessamyn: My question is, what do you think is the most misunderstood aspect of your, like, there's

a great thread in Ask Metafilter right now, which is people talking about things that people think are true that aren't really true, misunderstandings about the way the world works. What do you think is the biggest misunderstanding of your life as a rapper, the work you do, or whatever. That people think this about me but really it's more like that.

MC Frontalot: Well, I guess the main thing is that of course when people hear about nerdcore or get a very small exposure to it, they think that it's novelty music.

And I've kind of [??] the whole thing the whole thing doing [??], thinking that in the world of diminished expectations I can only hope to overimpress. But I'm sure a lot of people just skip it, because they think it's going to be some, it's going to stop at the comedy aspect and have nothing further to offer. And hopefully all of it is not just that and bears some kind of repeated listens.
So I guess that would be my little cross to bear right there.

jessamyn: I go watch the Wallflower video whenever I'm having a bummered-out day and watch everybody dance all over the place and it cheers me up.

MC Frontalot: Oh, I'm glad.

cortex: Well, I think that conflict, too, is something that anybody who's both tried to do funny music and tried to take themselves seriously as a musician has had to struggle with. With, you want to do music, and you want people to like it, and your tendency to do something that's kind of funny but you

also don't want to be just dismissed, oh, well, oh, that's that person who does that funny song about the weiner or whatever, you know, sort of the Weird Al Yankovic thing where, I mean, he's a guy who actually managed to be extremely successful as a novelty musician, but at the same time he's one of those guys that tons of people just don't take seriously at all as a musician because he does that funny bullshit.

MC Frontalot: Right.

jessamyn: Even though his drummer is a very serious star, at the same time he's got huge--

cortex: Oh, he's got huge [session ?].

MC Frontalot: Oh, all of his musicality is top-notch.

jessamyn: Right.

MC Frontalot: And I think just through sheer staying power he's managed to earn the respect of certainly the rest of the music world. I don't know what the listeners think of Weird Al.

cortex: (chuckles)

MC Frontalot: I mean, surely they love him.

mathowie: I think Jonathan Coulton has the same sort of issues, like, you know, sometimes new listeners, I've been in an audience, you know, the new people are laughing their asses off and the old people are singing along with it?

MC Frontalot: Right.

mathowie: And there's this definite... like, you gotta get over the hump of novelty to actual good music so that the repeat listens can happen. It definitely works with your stuff.

MC Frontalot: Right.

mathowie: But I was going through MC Chris and all the other dudes--

jessamyn: MC Chris does Nerd Girls, is that...?

mathowie: Yeah, he does, that is his famous one. But some of them are just kind of silly, and I don't know about repeat listens.

But I think you have to get to the musicality of it all. Was Coulton on one of your songs? I thought I heard someone say...

MC Frontalot: Yeah, on the previous record, he did Diseases of Yore with me, which is a [funny ?] song.

mathowie: Oh, right.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: And I saw Hodgman was on the new album.

jessamyn: Mike Doughty's on it, right?

MC Frontalot: I was super excited to get him on there.

mathowie: Are you in the same Brooklyn neighborhoods where they live?

MC Frontalot: We're pretty close. They're on the other side of Prospect Park from me.

mathowie: Ah.

MC Frontalot: But yeah, I just threw the project studio into a couple of duffel bags and went over to Hodgman's office and he and Coulton and I had some lunch and we just banged it out, didn't have a script or anything.

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: Nice.

jessamyn: Awesome.

mathowie: Yeah, I wondered, when I heard it, does he just turn it on? (laughs)

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: Like, just point a mic at him and...?

MC Frontalot: You can make anything seem really pithy when you're editing 40 minutes of jabber down to two minutes.

mathowie: Oh, yeah, that's true.

MC Frontalot: But that was all [??].

jessamyn: We usually edit 40 minutes of jabber down to 25 minutes of jabber.

MC Frontalot: (chuckles) That helps, [dude ?]. Any amount of removing jabber will help.

jessamyn and mathowie: (laugh)

mathowie: Well, I think that's about it. Good luck with the tour.

jessamyn: We'll let you go tend to your injury.

mathowie: Yeah. Get a shot.

MC Frontalot: Alright. Yeah, I probably should.

There's really blood pouring out of it and ruining this nice [??] floor.

jessamyn: (laughs) Oh, god. Seriously, take pictures.

cortex: If you choose to die from this injury, let us know ahead of time so we can charge for listening to this.

mathowie: (laughs)

MC Frontalot: Oh, yes.

jessamyn: And if you need us to raise money for a health insurance tetanus shot, we can do that.

mathowie: Yeah.

MC Frontalot: [??] right on. (chuckles)

mathowie: Alright. (chuckles) Thanks for doing this.

MC Frontalot: Thanks, you guys!

jessamyn: Sure!

mathowie: So long.

MC Frontalot: I'll see you later!

cortex: Adios!

mathowie: Alright, bye.

jessamyn: See you on Internet!

MC Frontalot: Yes.

mathowie: (laughs)

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mathowie: Alright, so, we should talk about Austin.

jessamyn: Yeah! We can talk a little bit about Metafilter, but I think talking about Austin would be pretty good. Do you want to explain what we were actually doing there?

mathowie: We went to South by Southwest, half of us had to speak at South by Southwest, and I figured, hey, what the hell, the other half should go too. What do we do, we rented a house, we stayed there for a few days--

jessamyn: Matt drove us around, we ate a lot of food, took a lot of pictures...

mathowie: I had a terrible talk, Jessamyn had a good talk, everyone [??]...

jessamyn: Great. It was a great talk.

mathowie: ...joy, you had a great talk, yeah.

jessamyn: Yeah. And I think yours probably wasn't terrible.

mathowie: Eh, it was alright.

jessamyn: Here's my talk, in case people want to see my notes.

mathowie: Oh, cool, yeah. It was really good.

jessamyn: All these guys went to my talk, is the thing Matt's not saying, that Matt and pb and Josh all sat at my talk, which is about the nicest thing ever.

cortex: It was fun! It was a really good talk.

mathowie: What? Of course I wanted to hear it! Geez.

jessamyn: But it was really nice! I mean, I'm like the kid whose parents didn't go to my

soccer games, you know, so like...

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: Oh, yeah, true.

jessamyn: Raised by wolves, and it was very...

mathowie: That's my permanent scar, is my parents have never attended my graduations and stuff.

jessamyn: You know, mine didn't come to my grad school graduation, and...

mathowie: They didn't go to my high school graduation because they thought there would be too much traffic and they were tired.

jessamyn: Awwww. Did they go to your brother's?

mathowie: I think they did, because he was older.

jessamyn: Awwwww!

mathowie: The first kid gets everything, the second kid gets ignored. But yeah.

Aw, so stupid.

jessamyn: Oh, I appear to be chatting with Skype Test Call and not chatting with you guys. Hold on.

mathowie, cortex, and jessamyn: (laugh)

mathowie: What up, test call??

jessamyn: (laughs) And it keeps repeating your shit back to you. It's horrible.

mathowie: Yeah. Bouncing back at you. It's like example.com.

jessamyn: Alright. Augh. Skype Test Call.

mathowie: You guys are in my talk frame. I just can't--it was kind of large...

cortex: That's the window. Yeah. As much as you tried to talk us out of going to it...

mathowie: It was kind of a large room and hard to even tell who was in it.

jessamyn: I did not go to your talk. I think that was the day I stayed home and worked on my talk like a nervous person.

cortex: Yeah. It was me and pb who were at yours.

mathowie: Oh, okay.

cortex: Along with Anil and David, I think.

mathowie: Yay! It's Ada Lovelace Day, and someone made a post. I was hoping someone would make a post.

jessamyn: Cool! Anil made a good post about Ada Lovelace Day too, which I thought was really good, on his own blog.

mathowie: Today?

jessamyn: Yeah!

mathowie: I didn't see it yet.

jessamyn: Talking about, you know, how people need to step up the pace and get women and other non-represented people

around doing tech stuff!

mathowie: Sweet!

jessamyn: Yeah.

mathowie: Sweet. What else did we do?

jessamyn: And we also saw MC Frontalot.

mathowie: Yes.

jessamyn: And we also talked with MC Frontalot on a radio show that Metafilter user Slappy Pinchbottom invited us to, which was terrific.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: On KOOO--KOO, is that how many Os? KOOP?

cortex: KOOP.

mathowie: KOOP. Koop!

jessamyn: Which is funny, because he's got one of those chinbeards.

cortex: He does.

jessamyn: Just like C. Everett Koop.

cortex: Yes.

mathowie: Ohh, got it. (laughs) I was wondering how that would relate.

jessamyn: Sorry. (laughs) It makes perfect sense in my own mind.

mathowie: (laughs) I was like, chicken coop...

jessamyn and cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: ...and chinstrap beard of an ocean-faring man? I don't understand.

jessamyn: Farmer Bob!

mathowie: Oh, yeah. Okay. Coop.

cortex: There's also a guy with a chinbeard in the classic comic strip Mary Worth.

mathowie: (laughs)

jessamyn: Oh, here, now that's fucking left field!

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: No, but it's not totally, because I'm pretty sure I walked past Josh Fruhlinger at one point when we were walking along--

jessamyn: Who?

cortex: The guy who does the Comics Curmudgeon, which frequently comes back to discussions of Mary Worth, because Mary Worth is the best thing in the world to make fun of.

jessamyn: Matt, can I get a ruling? I think this is totally off-topic.

mathowie: Yeah, I think we're in the weeds.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: Okay. Well, whatever. The point is that I totally didn't tell you guys [??] while I turned around and shouted at [receiving ?] Josh Fruhlinger, who looked pretty tired at that point anyway.

jessamyn: You know, cortex has a podcast, but it's 23 hours long.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Mostly explaining things. (laughs)

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: I call it The Footnote.

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: Right.

cortex: It just sort of keeps recursing back on itself.

mathowie: That would be awesome.

jessamyn: It would be awesome.

mathowie: I would listen.

cortex: Just like, every episode was an annotation of the previous episode of annotations. Oh, that'd be pretty sweet. I'm putting it on Thinkstank.

jessamyn: I'm kind of loving it already.

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: That's a blog post right there.

mathowie: Maybe it's one of those bad ideas for your bad idea blog.

cortex: Yes.

jessamyn: Oh! Yeah, we should talk, Josh, thirty seconds about your new bad idea blog.

cortex: Oh. I started, this was the idea that I had at South by Southwest and I started it once I got back. It's a blog of all of the ideas that I have that I never get around to pursuing because I have lots of bad ideas that I would die if I tried to pursue all of them, and it's called Thinkstank, and it's just thinkstank.tumblr.com. And it's fun. I'm enjoying it. I've actually found myself doing a couple of the little things that started out as stupid ideas for the blog, too, so it's kind of nice it's got me being a little bit more creative in

the pursuit of not being too creative, I guess.

jessamyn: I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it.

mathowie: I like it. I like the little pound sign tags. Cool.

cortex: (laughs) Yeah, the theme that I'm using for Tumblr, I only found this out after I'd actually picked the theme out, is by Metafilter's own Rory Marinich, so.

jessamyn: Hey!

cortex: Yeah.

mathowie: Sweet.

jessamyn: I like Rory Marinich. He's one of the users I've noticed over the last, I don't know, six months or something, where I'm like, hey, that's a new user, and they're not all BLEHBLEHBLEHBLEH. He seems...

cortex: Yep. New enthusiastic users. They're good.

jessamyn: Yeah! New contributing useful users. Yeah.

mathowie: This is like the halfbakery.com for idiots. It's good.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: Kinda, yeah. I mean, I've known about halfbakery for a long time. I never really spent any time there, but I always liked the idea, but it had occurred to me I could either try and participate there or do my own thing, and I think I'd rather just not have to try very hard on my ideas and just do them here, so.

jessamyn: You would have to try too hard to get them on halfbakery, is that what you're [??]?

mathowie: Huh.

cortex: I don't know if I'd have to try to put them there, but I'd feel like I needed to try hard if I was doing it in a more public place

like that rather than just this dedicated, this is absolutely just me being me sort of thing.

mathowie: How could we--?

cortex: Like, here, this, I am the master of my own domain, I guess, basically. So my domain can be as stupid as I want it to be.

jessamyn: How's Look At This Cat coming?

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: Shit, I need to, you know, I need to check in on that. Because the domain's still in that weird, it's after the grace period but joker.com is still holding onto it for me.

mathowie: Aww.

cortex: And because they're being so nice they'll give it back to me for 125 bucks or something.

I don't think it's worth 125 bucks! So it might turn into lookatthiscat.com or something like that if I can't just snag it back after it properly expires. We'll see.

jessamyn: howaboutthesecats.com.

cortex: Yeah. I should really rebuild the damn site, because I haven't updated it in like a year, is part of why I didn't notice that it had lapsed. It's having people e-mail me the photos and then hand-processing every one was a bad idea.

jessamyn: Horrible. Horrible.

cortex: So I need to re-do it with a proper, hey, upload your photo to a queue thing, and then it could be

properly relaunched.

jessamyn: Into an approval queue.

cortex: Yeah, exactly. I need some widget to do the putting the file on the server and into the database work for me instead of doing all that shit by hand.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: I wish you luck.

cortex: Yep.

mathowie: That's what I suggested on day one!

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: Yeah, no, it was a good idea on day one, but I was too busy enjoying trying to write a really minimalist Perl implementation on the blog, so.

mathowie: Wow. This is episode 50 of the podcast.

cortex: Oh, shit!

jessamyn: Oh, good gracious.

mathowie: With a thirty-minute cold open.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Welcome to episode 50. 50! It's been since mid-February. Jesus. It's been a while.

jessamyn: I've been almost not home that whole time, so this is great.

mathowie: I actually do have a whole bunch of favorites since then. Wow. We can talk.

cortex: (chuckles)

jessamyn: We are talking.

cortex: Yeah, we haven't done this in a few weeks, so.

mathowie: Yeah, in a month. I guess, what else, I haven't looked at Projects or Music or Jobs, but I have plenty

on Ask Metafilter and Metafilter. Has there been... there's been some awesome Projects. I'm trying to find... Mutant's new project is pretty cool.

jessamyn: What is it?

cortex: Oh, yeah, the funding thing.

mathowie: Public, was it, local councillors, how much they get paid is supposed to be available to the public, and it's never been easy to get the data, so he put it online.

jessamyn: Oh, sweet!

mathowie: I don't know what a local councillor, what would that be, like, not a mayor... would that be like a city council person in America?

I don't know how high up that is in the echelon.

jessamyn: Or like board of selectmen or something, depending on the town. They have different slicing up of government.

mathowie: Yeah. So there's a lot of sites that chop up non-profits, you know, how much the board makes and stuff, so he just did his how much they cost per year by parties, by locations, so yeah. It's kind of cool.

jessamyn: That's pretty awesome.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: I liked, this was the one that we heard about from milquetoast, who was at the Austin meetup. He was in town because he's a filmmaker, and they premiered this David Byrne concert film at South by Southwest!

cortex: Yeah!

jessamyn: And he built the website himself, and it's awesome.

mathowie: Yeah, that's--

jessamyn: If you like David Byrne, it's especially awesome. But it's pretty awesome even if you don't really like David Byrne.

mathowie: I was kind of, you know, the things that show up in Projects are usually on the minor side of project, like here's my new blog,

and when I saw that--

jessamyn: Right.

mathowie: "Here's my new David Byrne concert film," his first, and the first time David Byrne's been in a film in 25 years.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Like, whaaat! That was pretty awesome.

cortex: Yep.

mathowie: But I guess he just did the site? It looks like it's a Hillman Curtis film, which is an awesome designer.

jessamyn: Yeah, and he works... he worked on the movie, though, I don't remember exactly what the specifics are. I talked to him a lot at the meetup, but of course it's all kind of blah blah blah, [??].

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: Wow. Oh, good film.

jessamyn: Oh, and then there was another Project I liked, which I totally forgot about, which is this Great Cookie Recipes, that there was a MetaTalk thread about--

mathowie: Oh, yeah.

jessamyn: --this Gourmet Magazine's favorite cookies subsite that was on gourmet.com, which wasn't there anymore because Gourmet folded, and someone was like, this is horrible!--grouse was like, this is horrible! How can we do it? and somebody went through, well, a couple people went through together and drug up the recipes that they could find

and then Confess, Fletch put it together in this terrific little thing!

mathowie: Huh. It won't load in Google Docs, but...

jessamyn: Huh. It's basically like a giant PDF of cookie recipes.

mathowie: Wow! Sweet!

cortex: The sort of thing you print out and stick inside the cupboard in your kitchen with some tape...

mathowie: This is a questionable copyright cookie book in PDF form.

jessamyn: Well, I mean, what do you do, right? This is the const--this is the typical abandonware.

mathowie: Yeah, totally.

jessamyn: It belonged to a company whose IP is up in the air that they had made public, so it would have been available to you still if the company didn't fold, now what?

mathowie: There's also weird copyright on recipes, right? Like, it's considered data and not copyrightable, but the writing about it is considered copy--I mean, it's...

jessamyn: Yeah, recipes fall into a really interesting grey area as far as intellectual property goes.

mathowie: Yeah. So I feel okay with this.

jessamyn: (laughs) Good, because you approved it!

cortex: I had like three things from Projects that were all music that I liked since we last did it, one of which is this piece of software I haven't played with yet and I really need to get around to it, but it's called Noteworks, and it's basically kind of a procedural music generation program, so you can create a visual musical algorithm by connecting notes that do various things to each other and then hit play and it'll just sort of go,

so you can do sort of generative music with it and build stuff that's fairly abstract, or stuff that's fairly concrete, if you really want to be pedantic about how you're putting it together. But it looks really neat, and it's Java, so you can just play with it wherever, it's not some platform-specific thing.

jessamyn: So anyone can mess with it.

cortex: Yeah.

mathowie: Sweet.

cortex: So that was really cool. There was also a music compilation that sleepy pete put out for the Circle Into Square project he's been working on. It's a bunch of nice music, it's basically a mix tape, and it's

all really good stuff. And it's weird, like--

jessamyn: I was going to have dinner with them on Thursday!

cortex: Yeah, I know, I know!

mathowie: (chuckles)

cortex: You really shouldn't have let God destroy your airplane like that.

jessamyn: Augh.

cortex: That was a bad move on your part. I don't know what--

jessamyn: This is what I get for all of my chest-beating atheism.

cortex: Exactly. There's consequences.

Oh, and the other was, this DIYstro [ˈdi ˈɑɪ ˈwɑɪ ˈstɹoʊ], or, I'm not sure how they want to say it, but basically, braksandwich put together this Project
that's basically for independent bands doing music distribution themselves, which is one of those things that's more and more kind of a thing people have to figure out how to do because they don't want try and bullshit around trying to get into a major label distribution thing that's never going to happen for most people, so I thought it was an interesting thing they're doing.

mathowie: Oh, sweet. What was the name of the project Antonio was working on?

cortex: Oh. It was one of the ones with 'band' in the name, I think? (laughing)

mathowie: Yeah. There's like...

jessamyn: Bandcamp? Band...

mathowie: Bandsite, band... there's like ten companies doing this.

cortex: Yeah, I feel so bad that I can't remember which one is his, but I could literally see at least two standing on the South by Southwest floor at his booth talking to him, so (chuckles).

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: Yeah, we went and saw armoured_ant.

mathowie: Yes.

jessamyn: At the, on the floor. I don't even know how to spell his username? Is there a 'u' in it?

mathowie: armoured ant, with a space, maybe?

jessamyn: Is there a hyphen? Yes. There it is. It's armoured with a 'u', ant, and now I have to click on his own website.

He's actually a very nice gentleman with a very neat little tool.

mathowie: Yeah. (mutters) DIY...

jessamyn: That his buddy showed to us. And they were right by the free beer stand.

mathowie: Is this digital--

mathowie and cortex: (chuckle)

mathowie: There were lots of free beer stands. That's what was nice about South by Southwest.

cortex: I don't think I had any of the free beer at the actual convention.

jessamyn: Oh, really?

cortex: I mean, I had beer at Brad's thing. But you know, I was rarely simultaneously hungry for some free beer and

at the actual con, so. I don't know. Failure on my part, I guess, to leverage the situation, but.

jessamyn: Did you not get enough beer, though?

cortex: No, I got plenty of beer. I got beer when I... I don't, you know, drink at 11 in the morning at conventions very often, I guess. It's not a habit I've built up. Drinking [??].

jessamyn: If the beer were free, maybe, and you could find it, you would.

cortex: Maybe. I don't know. Clearly I should have put that on a feedback card, you know, "Make beer more visible."

mathowie: (chuckles) Why don't we move to favoritest Metafilter posts of the last month?

jessamyn: Metafilter or Ask Metafilter?

mathowie: Metafilter, we always do first!

jessamyn: Alright.

mathowie: I'll go first, with a twofer.

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: Everyone, the million, everyone's seen this by now, but the Chatroulette is quickly--oops, wrong post.

jessamyn: Should I not click that? (laughs)

mathowie: No, no, that's the actual link. You know, Chatroulette has gone from a wacky idea a month ago to cultural revolution, you know, in the last few weeks, I think because it's such an awesomely simple idea. It boggles my... I mean, I'm stoked that it's possible for anyone, a 17-year-old Russian kid, can just come up with an idea that just completely--

jessamyn: Takes the world by storm--

cortex: Yep.

jessamyn: --because of availability of cock on the internet.

mathowie and jessamyn: (laugh)

mathowie: But, you know, an idea so simple, and you just turn something a little bit on its head, and it's something completely new. You think every idea has been done before, so, anywho, there's a zillion Chatroulette things, mostly involving cock, unfortunately, but the Chatroulette Improv is probably one of my favoritest things ever, where a guy with a piano, just, instead of two dorks chatting or one dork and some guy's penis chatting,

a guy with a piano is just improv-ing, and it's very funny, and it's touching, and it's weird, and it's magical, and it's great.

jessamyn: And did it start on Comedy Central? I may have seen this out of order, because I saw it oblivious to these Metafilter threads. So there was the dude, Merton, and is he a...?

mathowie: Yeah. No, he... he just did it.

cortex: He just did it.

mathowie: On YouTube. It was like, him and friends thought, hey, why don't we try this?

jessamyn: Okay. So it didn't start at, whatever, CollegeHumor or whatever.

mathowie: No, no.

jessamyn: Because that's where I first saw it. Alright.

mathowie: No, and if you search around YouTube, people have been trying to do improv, like, there's some really bad comedians trying to, "Hey ho, how's it going, where you from? Hey hey!" Trying to do some sort of...

jessamyn: (laughs) Right.

mathowie: And you're like "Wow! That person thinks they're doing well, and it's not very good." So yeah, Merton sits there and plays some piano tunes. It's very, very funny. He makes up songs on the fly. People apparently thought he was Ben Folds.

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: I'm a Ben Folds fan. I could tell.

jessamyn: He was clearly not Ben Folds.

mathowie: But to non-fans, my wife thought he was Ben Folds, he looks...

cortex: He's Ben Folds-ish, and he's a guy who plays the piano.

mathowie: Yeah. At a piano.

cortex: And he was wearing a hoodie, so you couldn't really see him that well, either.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: And glasses, right.

mathowie: But I was like, that's clearly not his voice. So Merton had to update the profile to be like, "No, I am not Ben Folds," in a million point font. So eventually Ben Folds, I guess, got wind of it, because people were probably confused and thought it was him, and then he did it, I guess he's doing it on stage during the tour now.

And it's actually, I don't think, not as good of improv, but it's very, very funny. But it doesn't have the same tone as the original, but it's very still funny, funny, amazing.

jessamyn: And the songs are, yeah, richer, maybe, if you want to argue that. But yeah, I sort of saw these out of order and didn't understand what was going on and my boyfriend's son showed me the piano guy, and I was like, "What? What is this? This is hilarious!"

Because normally he's showing me guys that gets wiffle bats to the crotch or something.

mathowie and cortex: (chuckle)

jessamyn: So it was something we could both enjoy. And then I saw the Ben Folds stuff.

mathowie: Yeah, I showed it to Kay, and she was like, "I don't get it," I had to explain Chatroulette and how it's mostly cock, you know.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: Yeah, I actually now have a draft of a "Thank You For Showing Me Your Cock" song.

mathowie: (softly) Yeah!

cortex: And I still haven't decided whether or not I want to go through with--

jessamyn: Do it!

mathowie: Do it!

jessamyn: Do it!

cortex: --surfing Chatroulette for enough cock to paste together a video of it.

mathowie: Do it. It'll take like an hour, tops. There's so much cock. We did it on the plane!

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: So we had wi-fi on the plane--

cortex: Oh god, (laughing) that's right.

mathowie: --to Austin. So I start Chatroulette as a joke, and it was like, I guess it took ten times. In the past it's only taken three or four. It was like a giant cock on camera, just like... I think it was like, next, next, next, cock.

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: And then I was like, shut the lid, like oh God, on a plane.

jessamyn: 'I'm that guy on the plane.'

mathowie: So embarrassing on a plane. But yeah. Chatroulette's crazy.

jessamyn: So that was your two-fer. I also liked, and this was incredibly

popular, so I don't think it's going to be any real surprise, the hipsters on food stamps thread?

mathowie: Oh, yeah.

cortex: Oh, yeah.

jessamyn: Actually wound up with some pretty interesting discussion about food stamps, because I think there's a lot of people for whom food stamps are a total abstraction, and then there's the people on Metafilter who are on, or have been on, food stamps, for whom they have a totally different sort of perspective. And we got at least one--actually, a few!--you know, 'Hey, I'm on food stamps, and this is actually what it's like, and maybe you don't

understand what hipsters are, or maybe you don't understand the food stamp program.' And it didn't have a lot of comments, but lots and lots and lots of people had interesting things to say. It was a nice sharing thread, I thought.
(pause)

mathowie: Uhhh.

cortex: Yes.

mathowie and jessamyn: (laugh)

mathowie: Let me copy this. I loved, this is amazing, and only 15 favorites, so this deserves a wider audience. "My Father's Garden." It's just, I guess a guy with a macro lens,

just filming bugs in the backyard, but in glorious HD on Vimeo.

jessamyn: Wow!

mathowie: It's absolutely breathtaking. If you've ever seen the movie Microcosmos, it's one of my favorite all-time...

jessamyn: I have. Microcosmos was amazing.

mathowie: Yeah, this is reminiscent of that, using basically a 2000-dollar camera in the backyard, just beautiful, crisp, insane images. It's just super awesome. Super enjoyable.

I don't even know if this is a super expensive camera he used. It's just crazy super close-ups of dragonflies and stuff.

jessamyn: I also enjoyed this, I forgot about it, especially because I really loved the title, but it's kind it's kind of a short--

mathowie: Oh, yeah.

jessamyn: --not, again, super interesting, whatever, it's NPR, like, 'Ho ho ho! The way the world used to be! Who knew?'

mathowie: (chuckles)

jessamyn: But lots of people in the thread, again, talk about funny other or interesting other jobs

and whether or not people still have milkmen, which I personally enjoyed. Because I had a milkman, when I was a kid! And there's still milkmen in town around here. But to a lot of people those are bygone, totally bygone jobs.

cortex: Can I ask you, as a kid, were old-school milk bottles still... the fairly large ones, with the fairly large circumference necks and the sort of curved top?

mathowie: Yeah.

cortex: When I was a kid, I got a book of DIY science you can do at home.

You do these experiments. And one of the experiments was suck an egg, a hard-boiled egg, into a milk bottle by starting a small fire inside the bottle--you know, light a piece of paper on fire and put it in...

mathowie: Yeah.

cortex: But, you know, we had fucking plastic gallon jugs of milk.

mathowie: (chuckles)

jessamyn: And so I tried this--

mathowie: (chuckles)

cortex: And that shit did not work!

jessamyn: Oh god. Oh god!

cortex: And the book didn't bother explaining, because hey, it's a milk bottle, everybody knows what a milk bottle looks like, so it just means a milk bottle.

mathowie: (chuckles)

jessamyn: Yeah, no, we had glass wide-bottom milk bottles when I was a kid. And around here you can still get them some places,

but plastic is definitely... but they call them jugs, not bottles, maybe.

jessamyn: Ah.

mathowie: Hey, I see the milkman every morning! He drives through my neighborhood. I think there's a local dairy that does high-end milk.

jessamyn: Well, somebody mentioned that yuppies and hipsters nowadays, I guess if you're not on food stamps, like, it's a locovore thing.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: Like, you get the local dairy to deliver your milk, and it's just there all the time!

mathowie: There was a great post, what was the sidebarred post out of the yesteryear thread?

jessamyn: That was probably it.

mathowie: No, but what was it? Was it a person who makes records or something, or I can't remember what it was. A filmmaker or something?

jessamyn: Was it, are you talking about the person who talks to... no, I'm not totally sure what you're talking about.

mathowie: I thought you sidebarred something about the old...

jessamyn: I did. Let me take a look.

mathowie: I'm looking at the sidebar.

jessamyn: Oh! Film! Film, film, film.

mathowie: Okay.

jessamyn: Somebody who worked in film editing, I believe, with reel-to-reel

film stuff.

cortex: Oh, yeah.

mathowie: Like tape.

cortex: Yeah, you never expect the...

jessamyn: Yeah, that's the comment. It was amazing. sonascope. And it was, it's a really interesting comment. And there were a couple people like that, who were like, 'I... trained to work in an obsolete industry.' Yeah. I mean, my boyfriend has a Communications degree, and they learned to edit film, and it was the last year that people graduated learning to edit film instead of doing all that stuff digitally.

mathowie: Ohh.

jessamyn: He felt like by the time he graduated his degree was just barely becoming obsolete.

mathowie: (chuckles) I had a design class in the '90s where it was like, 'We're gonna do a paste-up with paste and paper!'

jessamyn: (chuckles)

mathowie: And I thought, this is ridiculous. Like, I could tell in 1995, this is the dumbest thing in the world.

I was amazed at the story of the Lector on the NPR site. I had never heard of that in my life. That was great. Did you see it?
Cigar makers working in a factory, they pay a guy to read the newspaper to them.

cortex: (chuckles) No, I didn't see that.

mathowie: Yeah, it's the first photo. I mean, it's the most outrageous, obsolete job in their list of jobs. You've heard of every other job, like elevator operator, but lector I'd never heard of in my life. It's basically talk radio while you work in a factory before radios existed.

cortex: Yeah.

jessamyn: So wait, it's someone who talks?

mathowie: A guy on a stage with a giant whatever, amplification cone,

basically reading the newspaper to everyone in the factory while you work. So it's like talk radio.

jessamyn: Wow, you can actually hear stuff in a factory?

mathowie: I guess when you're rolling cigars it's not too loud?

jessamyn: Fascinating! That's cool.

mathowie: Quiet work. Yeah.

jessamyn: Cool job.

mathowie: And then the radio came out.

jessamyn: Kind of like the town crier or whatever.

mathowie: Yeah.

cortex: I liked this post about, well, it's kind of a post about a game called

Starfeld, but sort of talking about games and linearity as well in general. But Starfeld is a fantastic, terrible game, and that's the sort of thing that predictably pleases me. And it's really great if you've played more epic space RPGs, like the Mass Effect games are the current classic on that front, but it's pretty great in general if you just want to play a stupid crappy game and enjoy the finely crafted stupidity and
crappiness of it. But the thread was also kind of interesting for some of the conversation that came out of it, discussing--

jessamyn: Link, please.

cortex: I already linked it! It's the rare and delicious breed puppy.

jessamyn: Oh. Ohhh!

cortex: You guys just kept talking, so.

jessamyn: We were talking about the other post.

cortex: (chuckles) Yeah, I know.

jessamyn: Okay.

cortex: I just was queuing it up. Anyway, it's pretty great, and if you have ten minutes and some kind of dislike for yourself I strongly recommend going and trying to give it a playthrough.

mathowie: Sweet.

I liked this Dean's Garage post, Dean's Garage is some site about automotive design, and there's just this awesome 1938 General Motors styling guide that was posted. It's just gorgeous art deco illustrations from this... how cars would be designed in the future, kind of.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: It's totally awesome. Cars are reminiscent of trains, trains... oh my god, everything's just awesome. Just design porn.

jessamyn: Neat!

mathowie: Should we move to Ask Metafilter, or are there still--?

jessamyn: Sure!

cortex: I've got one more I want to mention.

jessamyn: Go ahead.

cortex: Which is another game-related post.

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: But it's a game--but it's so much more than that!

jessamyn: I love this title.

cortex: Deadly Premonition. Yeah, the title of the thread is, "It's like watching two clowns eat each other," which is out of one of the better reviews for the game.

It's a new game that's been in production for a few years, and it's a budget title--you know, normally an Xbox game comes out these days at sixty bucks, this one retails at twenty, which kind of tells you they're not really A-list as far as development goes, and it really shows, because the graphics are kind of crappy and the controls are pretty dated and clunky, and there's a lot of polish missing from the game, but it's also completely fucking awesome! It's, especially if you are any kind of David Lynch or Twin Peaks fan, because the people who made the game clearly are,
and it's a weird, weird fucking deconstruction of that in video game form. It's sort of a survival horror format, for people who know those games, like Resident Evil and Silent Hill and whatnot. But it's really strange and it's really, really Twin Peak-ish in a lot of senses, to the point where the protagonist, in Twin Peaks Agent Dale Cooper was always talking to his tape recording and talking to Diane, whoever Diane was, the protagonist of Deadly Premonition talks to Zach,
who as far as I can tell is actually the player character, although the game doesn't explicitly resolve that one way or the other. So he'll just start talking to you every once in a while, and go into asides about the development of the DVD format in a conversation with a nurse at the local hospital for no reason.

jessamyn: (laughs)

cortex: And it's pretty fantastic. I mean, it's a bad game, but it's not a terrible game, and it's got a lot of charm, and I think it's going to be one of those games that becomes sort of an instant cult classic because enough people played it and said, 'Wow, there's some really good stuff in this terrible game,' that it led to

things like this Metafilter post and cascading all over the Internet and yeah. So I'm enjoying playing it, and the post's a fun read just for people sort of picking it apart and talking about how it compares to things that are both more and less successful than it, and I thought it was great.

mathowie: Sweet. Alright, Ask Metafilter.

jessamyn: Favorite, favorite recent post was the "It doesn't work that way," post,

which is about things that you know about that work differently than people actually think they work.

cortex: Yeah.

jessamyn: Like figuring out that the FBI doesn't really solve crimes and they don't really prevent crimes, or how songs get played on the radio. Lots of different people coming up with things from their own personal experience. "The vast majority of civil cases in the U.S. are settled or dismissed without ever reaching trial." Somewhere between 80 and 97 percent. Like Freakonomics-type stuff, but people talking about it from their own

knowledge base. Very interesting.

mathowie: Holy crap, I didn't see this. This is awesome.

jessamyn: It was very good. Very, very good.

mathowie: Oh, right, someone mentions Malcolm Gladwell and the Freakonomics guys are all turning conventions on their ears. Wow.

Holy crap. School lunches.

jessamyn: I know!

mathowie: School lunches are a dumping ground for corn.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: Wow. Dude, this is the rest of my day.

jessamyn: Hah!

mathowie: My favorite post was, "When I grow up, I want to be Adam Savage," by bondcliff, just going, 'You know, I know a bunch of science, I know a little engineering, I really want to be an Everyman with a cool garage shop that can build and do anything. I'm looking for tools and books and what welding skills should I pick up and stuff.' So the cool thing is, there's a bunch of great advice,

and then I happened to see it and dropped a line to Adam Savage, and he gave a monster answer especially for brundlefly. Which was great.

jessamyn: For bondcliff? bondcliff.

mathowie: bondcliff, sorry. Getting all my 'b's mixed up. But yeah, I knew that would be the ultimate capper, if he would actually answer.

jessamyn: Oh, cool, and fake posted! He has kind of a cool workshop, and he's been doing all the weird stuff lately.

mathowie: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was very cool.

jessamyn: Wall of tape. Wall of tape is the best one, actually.

mathowie: Box of razor blades. Does he have a picture of the wall of tape?

jessamyn: Seriously! Look at this wall of tape!

mathowie: Oh my god, that's awesome.

jessamyn: I have a wall of tape. I learned how to make one of those. I have a rod of tape, you know, like you have a dowel and you put all your tapes around one dowel so that you can roll and unroll them. Look at all that snow outside the windows! [??] North Dakota.

cortex: Someone should make a lathe of tape. Just put all the tape on a big cylinder and you can just take whatever you need to tape over to it and turn it on and tape it that way.

jessamyn: Ooh!

mathowie: I need a wall of tape! My tape in drawers is confusing. I can never find my Teflon tape versus my electrical tape versus...

jessamyn: Exactly! You need a wall. You need a--do you have a workshop at your place?

mathowie: Yeah, kind of? Sort of? Sure?

jessamyn: Well, you've got kind of a bike shop in the garage.

mathowie: Yeah, bike shop. But--

jessamyn: Nah, you need a workshop!

mathowie: Lots of tape is required.

jessamyn: Yes.

mathowie: I've seen Adam's, Adam Savage has posted photos, I think, of his home workshop?

Which is in a tiny ten-by-ten foot room, but it's just packed with 70 differet tool things you could do in the smallest space imaginable. But yeah, he's got a crazy, crazy shop.
Let me see, when did we record the last podcast? I wonder if this thing falls into--

cortex: We posted it February 23, so probably a few days before that.

mathowie: The 15th or something is when we did it. It took like a week. So this counts, I think. This is sad and touching. It was on the 16th.

An anonymous question saying, 'I'm in my mid-30s, I have a terminal illness, only a couple years left to live, and I have a son. How do I tell my family I'm going to die?' But it's like... it's just a very nice, touching thread, with tons of great advice about end-of-life issues, and it's not super sad, because everyone's healthy at the moment and stuff, and it was a great, helpful post for a really difficult situation.

jessamyn: I remember that post. There's a lot of really good advice on Metafilter generally about death, dying, and grieving, because it's one of those you maybe don't talk about with your friends all the time, but most people have been through it by the time they're sort of an adult person.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: And, I also liked this one, which was slightly annoying in practice, but in reality it's kind of helpful. It's basically kind of little punchy topics to stick into a discussion to try and get people talking. The guy who asked it, I think, is looking for more... almost kind of like witty whatever things,

but there's lots of advice that people got how to discuss things with people. You know, you're at a party, you want to be like, 'Hey! Here's a topic we can all talk about!'. What are some fairly non-controversial ways you can throw a topic around.

mathowie: What?! John Hodgman, Hodgman is the guy who came up with invisibility or flight? I'm so sick of that question. Everywhere I've gone in the last two or three years it's invisibility or flight. It's all anyone talks about.

cortex: (chuckles)

jessamyn: A lot of people talked about how that is getting tired.

mathowie: Yeah. I'm sick of it. Augh.

cortex: Are you listening, Hodgman? Shape up!

mathowie: Yeah. Shakes fist!

cortex: Get some new material!

mathowie: I'm shaking my fist towards Brooklyn.

cortex: (laughs)

jessamyn: Well, doesn't it say, everybody always chooses one or the other?

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: Like, that it's not neutral. Somebody was like, people who choose invisibility are perceived as sneaky, and people who choose flight are more mentally healthy? That seems like unfair set-up.

mathowie: Yeah, I can't think of an invisibility... yeah. You would just steal stuff. (chuckle)

jessamyn: Are you kidding? You would just hang out and be able to go to stuff without people looking at you and commenting on what you were wearing.

mathowie: A-ha!

jessamyn: Seriously, this may be a dude, guy thing.

mathowie: Yeah, yeah.

jessamyn: But being able to be invisible, as someone who's female and who's never invisible, I would love that.

mathowie: I never thought about it. All I can think of is bad uses for it, hear what people are saying, steal money from banks...

jessamyn: Be free from harassment, get to walk around outside at night alone...

mathowie: I would have used it when I was a teen, I was constantly harassed. But yeah, it doesn't happen much as a white male anymore.

jessamyn: Euhh. Lucky.

mathowie: (sing-song) Privilege!

jessamyn: Luckyy.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: So yeah, if there's a better... I will read this one, because I want a new one. I can't stand flight or... and I think of the '80s, maybe '90s? Eh, maybe it was college, like early '90s, everyone would talk about (doofus voice) blindness or deafness, which would you pick? Like yeah, if you lost your eyes or your ears. Which was a stupid...

cortex: I always liked hand or feet.

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: Like, one hand or both feet?

jessamyn: Wait, what? How did--?

mathowie: (chuckles)

cortex: It's the same idea, you know. Which one would you choose to lose? Would you lose both feet at the ankle, or one of your hands?

jessamyn: Ears or eyes?

mathowie: Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Ears or eyes is what I've always heard. Which, everyone says, 'I'd rather keep my eyesight', except for your one music nerd friend, who goes, 'Oh, I can't live without music,' and then everyone goes, 'What?!'

jessamyn: (laughs)

mathowie: 'How are you going to get around?'

cortex: Well, it's a pretty brutal toss-up, you know.

mathowie: Yeah, yeah. (sighs)

cortex: I actually forgot another Metafilter post I was going to mention, and I don't have any AskMe posts, so we'll pretend it's an AskMe post.

jessamyn: What?!

cortex: It's also my post, but it's, I'm not, like--

jessamyn: Ohhhh! You are the worst!

mathowie: Oh, Jesus Christ.

cortex: I'm not like, 'Check out my awesome post!', I just thought it was interesting.

mathowie: Did you check the checkbox? You're not supposed to mention your own posts.

cortex: No, no, no, no, it's not a post of my thing, it's a--

mathowie: I know, I'm just kidding.

cortex: It's just a post about buildingreputation.com, it's a blog by a couple of guys who just put out a book, I guess, or are in the process of putting it out right now.

mathowie: Oh, wow.

cortex: But this was, Andy Baio actually mentioned this at his talk at Southby, among other things. But it's got a really nice overview, one of the blog posts is a really nice overview of reputation systems in general and some of the basic ideas involved in designing one well or designing one poorly and how you want to use it and what you want to use it for. I thought it was really interesting and just made a post about it yesterday.

mathowie: Yeah, I saw that and I realized, holy shit--

jessamyn: Your post from yesterday is your favorite post?

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: No, no, it's just a post I liked. I liked the link. I'm totally abusing admin power to say, hey, this is a neat link that people should read.

jessamyn: Augh.

mathowie: No, this is awesome, especially for community talk. This is amazing. Like, the motivations and what people do...

cortex: Yeah.

mathowie: I mean, we have hours of this to talk about with favorites design, you know, and they're talking about every little aspect

of how you serve this information.

cortex: Exactly.

mathowie: Fascinating. It's for sale! Sweet! I should get that book.

cortex: Yeah, I think the book's out now?

mathowie: Yeah, it is.

cortex: I don't think it was out yet when we were at South by Southwest, but I wasn't sure of the timing.

mathowie: Holy shit, I might actually read a book? [??]

cortex: (laughs) You can probably get it on your Kindle, if that's a little too freaky.

mathowie: Nah, I don't want a tech book on my Kindle. But it's probably not techy. Huh.

jessamyn: I'd like to read it when you're done with it, or I'll get it from the library.

jessamyn: I'd like to read it when you're done with it, or I'll get it from the library.

mathowie: (chuckles) Cheap.

jessamyn: What? What?

cortex: Anyway, back to AskMe. Let's just pretend someone said, 'Hey, is there a good book about reputation design?'

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: And that was a great answer here.

mathowie: 'Has anyone made a post about good books about...?'

cortex: (chuckles)

jessamyn: No, that was it. I saw those two and those were my favorite. I wasn't prepared to talk about a whole bunch of AskMe stuff, though I guess I can go back and check and make sure... (sings, ascending pitch) boo-de-doo-de-doo!... I'm not missing anything that I loved...

mathowie: Yeah, no, those are my favorites. I'm looking at... why is this, one of the most popular ones is, "What's it feel like to have ADD?"

jessamyn: Oh, and that turned into a really interesting MetaTalk thread, actually. Because people talked about it, and of course what always happens is a lot of people are like, 'Oh my god, that's totally how my brain works, and I just figured my brain was broken, but it looks like my brain has a thing that other brains have, and maybe if I wanted to I could get this part of my brain fixed!' Or changed, or, you know, whatever you say about it.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: Which happens every time we have an ADD thread, really.

cortex: Yeah.

mathowie: (chuckles) Well, people forget.

cortex: (chuckles)

jessamyn: I don't know! I have no idea.

mathowie: Legos! Shiny things!

cortex: I was going to read the last one, but I got distracted.

mathowie: (chuckles)

jessamyn: But yeah, I mentioned... the last, I don't know, I seem to date people with ADD, though I don't have ADD? And I kind of made a comment about it. Because I think for people who don't live inside it, they're just like, 'Whatever! Get off the Internet, hippie.'

But if you've actually been living with it your whole life it really alters your viewpoint and how you interact with people, so.

mathowie: I've had interesting interactions with people who discovered it late in life, and then I guess you take speed for it, right? Like, you take some sort of amphetamine?

jessamyn: You take speed, but it doesn't act on you like speed.

mathowie: Right, yeah.

jessamyn: Although people argue that point, but yeah, basically.

mathowie: I would say half of the people I know take the speed and they totally calm down, they're laser-focused, and half of the people probably (chuckling) might have been misdiagnosed, and they're crazy.

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: They're just fucking crazy! (chuckles)

jessamyn: One of the things about the laser focus is that that is actually part of ADD, like, you can have hyperfocus be part of it, it's just that you can't control it.

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: So you might get really, really into a video game! But you can't get really, really into doing the laundry?

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: Taking out the trash? Making food? Like, things you can't get into you just can't get into at all, so people think ADD people are not focused, and that's generally not true. It's just that their focus is way out of their control.

cortex: It's the attenuation problem.

jessamyn: Exaactly. You don't know anything about that, do you?

cortex: You know, it's funny. I like these threads when they come around every once in a while, because I'm one of those people who's distractible enough that every once in a while I kind of wonder if maybe I've got some sort of undiag--which is an easy thing for people to do, and I've heard plenty of people express annoyance about people basically self-quasi-unclinically diagnosing themselves--

jessamyn: Sure, sure, sure.

cortex: --because then you can say, (doofus voice) 'Oh, I've got ADD.' But you know, I wonder about it every once in a while, because I have pretty hyper days sometimes. But then I read a thread like that, and I see people really talking in detail about what they struggle with, [??]--

jessamyn: Not doing the laundry, right.

cortex: Yeah, and I'm like, 'Yeah, no, I'm probably just kind of distractible.'

jessamyn: Missing flights.

cortex: Yeah.

jessamyn: Yeah, there's a whole bunch of, yeah, things that are fairly normal in the ADD person's life that don't appear to be fairly normal in yours.

mathowie: I think the nerd tendency is everyone thinks every nerd has Asperger's and ADD.

jessamyn: Right.

mathowie: Combined, somehow.

jessamyn: Right.

mathowie: Oh, I forgot this one! This was my absolute favorite thread. Or one of them. Just interesting events in the U.S., as we're gearing up towards summer, things that are just sort of, fit the flavor of a region, or there's just all kinds of crazy little events, like accordion festivals and state fairs and very specific things to very specific areas, and this is an awesome run-down of a zillion things.

jessamyn: In the U.S.!

mathowie: Yeah.

jessamyn: And I've been to one of them this year! I went to the Iditarod.

mathowie: Sweet.

jessamyn: Very exciting. I've been to a couple of these! Yes, some of these are awesome. I'd like to see one that was international.

mathowie: Yeah, true.

jessamyn: Because obviously it's like, yeah, blahbuhblah, America, but it would really be cool to see this stuff not only for Canada but the rest of the larger world. And Australia, plan a trip!

mathowie: (chuckles) Cheese-rolling festival in the U.K., which was I think on Metafilter recently, and joked about in Spinal Tap and stuff.

I think that's about it for episode--

jessamyn: We've already talked for two and a half hours!

cortex: (chuckles)

mathowie: Fifty, yeah.

cortex: I actually wanted to mention a couple things off Music real quick, since I haven't been good at--

jessamyn: Are they your own songs?

mathowie: (laughs)

cortex: No, they aren't. No, they aren't. No, I won't even mention my new album, Inchoatery.

cortex: Yeah, I know. (quietly) See, that was just ironic, see, that was--

jessamyn: Aughhhh!

cortex: But no, there was a nice little very off-brand cover--

mathowie: No way!

cortex: --of Fresh Prince of Bel Air, the theme song.

mathowie: (descending whistle)

jessamyn: No, wait, there was a song I really heard that I loved too. Keep going.

cortex: So that's really great. It's kind of, that's all there is to say about it, but it's pretty great, you should go listen to it, just because it's an entertaining silly cover.

And there's another one, this is a good song from uncleozzy, Ode on an Irish Pub, that he posted, that's a nice sort of noisy Irish rock Dropkick Murphys, that sort of feel to it.

jessamyn: For St. Patrick's Day!

cortex: Yeah. But, beyond that, the thread also sort of turned into an argument about beer, which seemed pretty much perfect and yeah, it's been fun sort of arguing about beer with MajorDundee, who's in the U.K. and sort of pissing on U.S. beer, and then us over in the U.S. being, 'Oh, but you're not drinking the right beer!'

mathowie and jessamyn: (chuckle)

cortex: And it's seventeen comments long now, and we kind of forgot that it was a post about a song.

jessamyn: Hah!

cortex: We're just [??] each other about beer now, and I was very entertained, so.

mathowie: And we got into a minor similar disagreement in Austin in a fake Irish pub--

cortex: (laughs)

mathowie: --that apparently was based on a real Irish pub that was shipped to Austin in a really weird, whatever, like, that was just strange. We were in a Hollywood set for an Irish pub that was absolutely pitch-perfect, but scary.

jessamyn: Where Guinness cost how much? Some crazy amount of money...

mathowie: Six dollars!

jessamyn: Aaah!

mathowie: And I will agree with every European and Irishman that Guinness in Ireland tastes a zillion times better, and is, yeah, our Guinness sucks.

jessamyn: Horrible. I liked this song, too, while we're talking about songs, which was just a Joy Division cover that I thought was good.

cortex: Oh, yeah, that was nice!

mathowie: Sweet.

jessamyn: Yeah. Very pretty, and by l2p, that I don't think we have... they basically have made a couple comments on Metafilter, and four Music posts. So go them.

mathowie: Sweet. Awesome.

jessamyn: Yeah!

mathowie: I will try to work these into the recording.

Awesome. (laughs)

jessamyn: Awesome, possum!

mathowie: Alright. Episode 50, in the can.

cortex: Fuckin' A!

jessamyn: Over and out.

mathowie: Whoo!

jessamyn: (laughs)

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