Podcast 157 Transcript (automated)

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Well, and one of the reasons we're not podcasting earlier in the day was because I had a finance committee for the Fairmont humanities council, which is just like sitting around while somebody breathes into a microphone and somebody else explains a spreadsheet over the sound of other people's heavy breathing while you try to tell everybody how a phone conference works. Um, but you know, we, we straightened out the budget and I feel kind of good about that because I know how numbers work, but, uh, I thought it was going to be more painful than it was. So I'm actually in a pretty good mood sometimes. Thanks. Workout.

Yeah. Things like episode 157 at the meadow filter monthly podcast with me, Josh cortex. Maillard I need Jessamyn and here we are. And what a natural transition that was. Um, your two talent, Josh. I, I'm, I'm, I'm a genius in my own mind. Um, isn't it legend in your own mind? I don't know. I'm just saying words like legend in your own time and then it's a send up on that. Yeah. Jessamyn explains jokes to you. Usually you explained the jokes to me. I know it's, it's, it's a real switcheroo um,

is that have to do with Mike kangaroo costume from yesterday? No. Yeah. I don't know. I did not know about that. Oh my God. So you know that like funny meme where it's like, you know, it's a costume, you know, you drove show up at the party and your Baboo costume, it's more a wine and adults being drinking wine. Wine. Yeah. Well we have a trivia night as you know. And on the Facebook group for the trivia night, they were like, Hey, you know anyone who comes wearing a costume cause you know, Halloween fucking day, um, you know, I'll go to the, I'll go out and buy you the candy bar of your choice. Right? And like I'm a 51 year old woman motivated by candy. And I was like, I also like costumes, right? So I put on my kangaroo outfit and went to the bar, only defined, I was the only person in the entire bar in a costume at all. And I was wearing a full kangaroo costume. And a, you know, was a good candy bar, but, uh, you know, it's a little funny, right? Like, I don't know if that's like a digital divide problem. I don't know if that's a, uh, like a timing thing. Like I just, I don't know at other people don't like costumes. Am I the only person that likes costumes? The rest of my damn team didn't wear them.

Yeah, I dunno. Did you, did you, did, you know, did you communicate with your team at all about it? Was it like, what's that sort of thing that could even be coordinated ahead of time or

team is not really, like we can word Nate enough to know who's going to be at the bar, but like, we don't really, they're not, you know, I think this was probably something that was posted to Instagram to Facebook like a couple hours before. Uh, and you know, as a result, no time, there's no time. So I was just, I was just very surprised. I'll send you a link because it's sort of funny. Um, but like if I were younger, I would have been like, Oh God, I'm the only person with a costume. So humiliating. And now I'm like, fuck y'all, I've got a candy bar and this costume is comfortable. That's a good King Rick custom too. I like that. I think so. I, I, you know, somebody was selling it for, you know, not much money on the local buy and sell list and it's good to have a costume that's comfortable.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess, I guess we should say it is, it is in fact, Halloween right now as we're recording a Thursday morning in your neighborhood. Uh, you know what, uh, in, in principle, yes. In practice every year it's when we do turn the light on and have trick or treaters, we get like five of them. Like we're on a street that's like three blocks long and it's not one of like the streets that gets big Halloween crowds. So we get very little, we can just get the, the, the people who are feeling, I guess, more adventurous to go down one of the low loot table seats. Streets.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, so yeah, we, we, we, we do it in principle. It's just not much of a thing. Uh, certainly less than like when my eyes growing up in my parents' neighborhood, like, you know, there was a big roving crowds that seemed like,

um, [inaudible]

but it happens, it happens in the vicinity so

well, and we have, I live like on the other side of the road of a heavy Halloween traffic neighborhood. So every year I dress up and go to a friend's house to do any handout, but I don't think we're doing it this year and it's raining. It's been an exhausting week. So I'm not a hundred percent sure. This may be my first year of no, you know, no candy hanging out though. I may just go walking around with my friend and her dog Einstein.

I think it's okay to like, you know, I mean, the candy will still get distributed like the, the, the, you, you are not like in, you know, uh, uh, supporting, uh, load supporting beam in the [inaudible].

Absolutely not. Well used to be at a big house where they'd handed out, but then they split up and then he sold the house and she doesn't really do candy at her house. And my other friend, really good friend doesn't do candy at her house for various reasons. And so it would just be kind of walking around, which I did last year in the kangaroo outfit and it was fun.

But, uh, I don't know. Different. So we'll see. Yeah. Um,

well let's talk about some meta filter stuff. A couple jobs were posted a this month. Um, one of which, uh, Catherine M is looking for some retouching on an old photo, just a old photo that's framed and needs some color correction and retouching. Maybe. I mean, they're, they're partly saying, Hey, I'm not even sure how to precisely describe this cause I don't know how to do it. Um, but, uh, if that is up your alley, uh, take a look and see if you can help out there. Um, and then on the more large scale Javi job front, uh, BDC 34 is posting about Cornell, looking for a backend Python developer. For the RX? I don't, well I want to say archive, but it's, it's, it's archive.org, but it's not archive.org. It's AR XIV, that archive.org archive. Yeah, it's occurred to me, I've seen this many times before and I've never once tried to say it out, live out loud, but you know, they do, uh, the scientific paper publishing, uh, as a like, well, it says open access platform, um, on the job posts. Um, so yeah, if you are, uh, in the New York area and know your Python and want to get into that to check it out, um, is the, that's the news from jobs.

Yeah. Jobs hasn't been getting a lot of traffic. I keep suggesting that people go to jobs to, you know, for their little kind of gig economy type things. And, uh, you know, like I always say, go, go look at jobs.

Yeah. Yeah. I steer, I steer someone there every once in a while. And, uh, it's nice. It's nice when people do have a use for it. So, um, but what of projects?

Oh, my God. Projects. So this project, which is by, uh, kind of fell in at like after we recorded, but before we distributed last time, and I wanted to make sure it did not get ignored. It is the principle, totally real birds of the world, 20, 20, because there's this thing called ink Tober, which I don't know that much about. Uh, but I guess it's drawing some stuff. And so basically you can print out, uh, different birds and a different calendar for, uh, every month of 2020, including, uh, the headless horse, Raven and, uh, the Southwestern turd burglar. I won't ruin it. You can go and just look at all the rest of them, but it's cool. I appreciate it. Thank you. Cobra. Uh, yay. Birds.

Yeah, that's great. Um, Dobbs posted a real does what it says on the tin, uh, project, uh, which is a bunch of pictures of orange Grove tool sheds and utility boxes in, uh, Oliva Spain that has an awful lot of pictures. It is, it's, it's a, it's, I don't know, a hundred or so 108, um, of his, his favorite, uh, from the thousands he took while he was there. Um, and I, I always liked that sort of, I always, I was like a good like, you know, okay, here's one thing and here is a collection of that thing and there's something about like the weird little mundanity of like utility sheds that really works for me. In this case, there's something about like, you know, it's like it's a box, it's a small box with a door. It may be a couple of windows and that's all. And like, you know, there's only so many [inaudible]

whatever purpose you need that for.

Yeah. So like there, there's only, there's only so many ways that that itself can really go in. So like looking at a bunch of pictures of it becomes not so much, it's like, Oh, I sure wonder why utilities had looks like, but sort of taking in like the context and, and the variation from one to the next as you know, something that you can see more than if you would like, like more, more than if like the individual architectural entity in the foreground was like really genuinely like super interesting in its own right. Like, you know, none of these are architectural marvels. They're, they're boxy sheds, you know, and so like what comes non us country, which I was intrigued by. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I dunno, I just, I like that it's a sort of thing where like it becomes the repetition of the theme and the simplicity of the thing becomes kind of a, I'll also have substrate you can sort of like, you know, Wade through to get more of a feel for the everything else involved and the little details that stand out. And I dig it.

A here's a, Josh, please explain this to me. Project the emoji adventure by a N McCoy. So I looked at this, I really liked it. It's got a name that is just the little snake emoji. I clicked around having no idea what I was doing and I expected the penny to drop at some point and it didn't. And then I read about it and I'm still not totally sure. I understand it. So

over to you, Josh, you know, for once I'm just going to have to punt. Uh, I this, like I did not spend any time with this when it went up. I'm delighted looking at it right now, but I just hadn't spent any time with it. So I'm now clicking around blindly a little bit just to see what happens. I mean, I'm seeing a lot of things that feel like good trappings of the idea of using the emoji as both item and descriptor in a adventure game of some sort. Um, like, like there's fighting or running from like went into a city and there's some rats. I'm gonna attack the rats gonna attack the rats and there's some sort of legless emoji basically is my, my person. So, you know, uh, yeah, I, I'm delighted with this, but like Josh raised something wrong that, that is a cat.

No, no, I just got a rat and a sword and the city man, um, no, no, that's a, that's Boaty McBoatface who usually is actually pretty well behaved during a podcast, but apparently had something, say she's, she was, she's been a fucker last night to this. This is our adorable tuxedo cat. We have, we have a rambunctious or durable tuxedo cat Boaty McBoatface and then a much chiller, older like shaggy buff cat named Freya. And uh, they're both very good cats and they're both, uh, terrible monsters depending on the time of day and what's gotten into their brains. Um, although at this point Frey's pretty chill, pretty 24, seven actually, uh, and Bodhi is delightful. Um, but also sometimes just isn't getting sufficient attention from the universe, I guess is all we can figure about it. Um, so for example, we went to bed last night at midnight or so and uh, I think I fell asleep about 1245 or so, cause that's when she had finally stopped standing.

Or just fucking me out in the bedroom, out in the hall, downstairs, back up, quieting up for a couple minutes and then starting up again. What does she want? Who knows us to never sleep is one possible answer. Another possible answer is a, she just wants to be in the bed with us but is not closing the fucking gap from the floor of the bedroom to the bed, which she can jump onto effortlessly. Uh, but she's just not making that connection because like if she gets up and gets under the covers, she's out and that's fine until morning. Like this, nothing is going to be a problem at that point. But getting her there and if you get out of bed and try and pick her up, she's like, Oh, we're playing. Okay, I'll dash off. So I, uh, I didn't get as much sleep as I normally do because of that cat.

Um, and that's, that's, that's uh, extremely adorable and I love her. Um, but yes, that was her making some noise. I think she's still on whatever the hell she was on last night cause she's been kinda talkative today. You're starting to break up a little, by the way. Oh, am I your internet or my internet? Do I just gotta I had a brief little bit of robot from you. Um, but just, just the tiniest bit. Am I still sending weird or am I okay now? Okay. Might've been just a, a hiccup I guess. Um, anyway, enough about my cats. This emoji other adventure looks fantastic and McCoy and I will spend some time with it, uh, sometimes soon cause I want to figure out what's going on there. That's very up my alley. But I failed to explain. Sorry, I can't help you.

That's fine. And in a low number users, uh, back around doing stuff. You remember Rory? Rory Rory is an Australian living in Scotland. He's been traveling around the place. He has put together a bunch of photo galleries, um, on his site and it looks cool. I'm reminded of PB when PB was, you know, making his own flicker alternative and kind of wishing, wishing I had that now. Um, so that I could get all my stuff. That's what I want for a job. I want someone to be able to get all my stuff off, flicker to put on to some self hosted location so that I still have my galleries and albums intact. But this is really, you can pay someone to, well, but I mean what I want is a tool, right? So not just for me but for other, other flicker users because you know, you can export all your photos but it doesn't keep the album information.

And I feel like there's gotta be a way, but if it's outside of not only my capabilities but my actual ability to want to get that detailed with it, you know what I mean? Like I have other stuff where if I was going to learn to code, I would want to do fix these other things first. Yeah. But I am interested, I like this eyeball graffiti dude from the, not one photo said I broke a few States too. Yes. Yeah. Or lady a, yes. I grew up, I have all group Feeney. Humanoid. Yeah. Yes. No, it was great. Yeah. You can just kind of click and click and click and there's all bunch of great stuff. If you like looking at kind of, I'm looking at a series of cheese and vines and beaches and rocks and uh, yeah, rich, great photographer and uh, this is a fun way to experience all bunch of photography.

Yeah.

Um, there is, uh, Oh, this, this one. Um, Beijing Brown has another project up, which is sort of cataloging 70 years of Chinese music history. Um, basically saying, okay, well, you know, um, there was a really rapid push through sort of catching up on contemporary music history in the last 70 years in China and it sort of tracks some of the development of, uh, China culturally. So here's here, you know, sort of a condensation of that into a, a short list.

Um, yeah,

that's a great project. I was just reading, um, some Wipper snapper on Twitter complaining about how blogging is dead. You killed it, you bastards, you know, because social media is kind of killed blogging. And I'm like, you know, yeah, no, it hasn't. Like people still write, you know, one of the things that they were complaining about was the absence of these like single serving sites where people would go into like exquisite detail about their nerd topic and they were like, people don't do this anymore. They just make threads on Twitter. And I'm like, you know, I don't know what internet you're hanging out on, but the internet I hang out on, people are still doing stuff exactly like this. Right. Where you can like learn an interesting thing. I mean, you read it on medium, I assume that stuff gets surfaced on Google. I don't know for sure, but I, I think it does. And this is great. Beijing Brown, you know, keeps it, keeps it real. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's,

well, yeah. And there's, you know, there's, there's, there's a whole playlist. There's, you can, you know, you can go sample through them, watch the videos and whatnot. Um, yeah, no, that's, that's a weird thing. You know, it's, it's like on the one hand, you're both right, basically on a late, late, late, like, this stuff is out there and it's, I really, really liked that. It's out there. And I really liked that, you know, people do interesting detailed work and the visibility is like, so the visibility in ubiquity have been so damaged by the way, things would change over time that like, yeah, it, it's there and also it doesn't have the same footprint that it used to and it doesn't have the same cultural expectation that it will be rebroadcast and shared away, shared around the way it used to be and, and that does suck like that. I mean that's, it's a genuine thing like the, the nature of how we expect to share and the, the nature of how we expect to even find or discover or look for content has changed so much. Uh, kind,

the things they were talking about was, you know, your ability to build an audience. And I was just kinda like, well, I guess like it might be that if you're the nerdy person who's really into this thing, but you're not somehow amplifying that through social media channels, people are never going to know that you're that person. On the other hand, maybe building an audience is overrated. I mean, there was like a brief period of time where you could make money blogging. Yeah.

That's part of it too. It's like, you know, there is the distinction between like blogging as a, you know, mainstream monetized double silo is dead and blogging as something that you can just fucking do anyway because you want to put that information out there. Uh, and they are definitely two different things. Like I miss, I miss having blogging being more of a part of the thing that I do, but like it was never something that I was doing other than just because I wanted to post stuff that I was thinking about or writing in the first place. So whatever. Um,

right. I still have still do that. I still have a blog, eh, like, you know, but, uh, it was originally so that my mother would know things were okay when she couldn't get me on the phone and we've kind of moved well past that rip mom and you know, I still do it for, I don't know why, who even knows muscle memory. Yeah.

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um, I have another that's on my, I want to get there and just haven't found the time things which is, uh, may I wrote up a thing called what is your deal with Carly?

Oh God, this was funny. I just read the introduction and I, yeah. You know, I should read this later today cause I, I'm curious.

Yeah. I mean I'm Carly Rae Jepsen. Great. So I'm like, I'm on board already.

Right, right. I'm already nodding in agreement, but tell me what you think. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, yeah. And there's more stuff, but we got sort of a slow start, so I don't want to go through everything. Point by point, go to projects, check out the other stuff. There's more stuff, post stuff. If you're making stuff, make stuff and put it on projects.

Hey Josh, why don't you post your, uh, uh, on Weegee book?

Uh, I will, that's a good idea. I, I needed to sit down and write up some really

satisfying about those super blackness of these pages too. Like you just don't see a book where all the pages are all the way black.

Yeah, no, I was really pleased. Really pleased by that when I saw it. Um,

yeah, I'll have to think. I mean, cause that's really the thing, right? Why don't you think about what you could put on projects, right? Yeah. I just have been putting up a whole bunch of Washington senators, uh, library of Congress, photographs of the old baseball team from the turn of the last century on library of Congress. I'm not sure how I could put that on projects, but it has been something I'm working on, you know, as the days get shorter Jessamine thoughts turned to Wikipedia.

Yeah. I mean, you know, you're, you're organizing some stuff, you know where the content is, you're doing some work on it, write something about that and share that because Hey, why not? Yeah. I've been doing a bunch of math stuff that I could like turn into a blog post maybe instead of a bunch of Twitter threads and like, I should throw that up on projects and I swear I follow you on Twitter, but I've been missing most of this. Uh, Oh, did you meet me at some point because of an annoying thing or something? I don't use mute actually for the most, for the most part. I don't know. I'll have to go back around and figure it out. Yeah. It's just me, you know, drawing stuff, so whatever I'm drying. So I did know then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like drying. Yeah. Yeah. Like craft paper and, and notes and such. Yeah. Um, anyway, let's talk about meta filter. The blue [inaudible] proper.

Uh, well first of all, can I just say that? Uh, I believe I made a post this month. Yeah. And it's funny, like I find that one of my recipes for making a post a good poster as far as what I like, like where people are like, Oh, that's interesting and nobody yells at each other or whatever is, um, if I find out about stuff from some way that has almost nothing to do with the internet, you know what I mean? So like this was my trivia team. I talk about one of the guys on my trivia team is like a mainframe engineer for the state of Vermont. He is not online basically at all, but he reads, you know, some things on the internet. Um, I don't even know what. And so occasionally he'll be like, Oh, did you hear about this story? And the answer is usually no.

And then the answers off then I'm usually like, my God, that's amazing. And so in this case it was essentially something that was a post on polygon, which is not a sort of blog or whatever the hell it is that I read very often about a Christian rock band from 35 years ago. Stay with me that encoded a Commodore 64 program on the like, you know how there's that little center thing that'll just play on repeat on a vinyl album? Yeah. Encoded a 64 program. And then just this year, this kind of YouTube Commodore 64 enthusiasts managed to retrieve it and run it. And so Robin HARB, Ron is the guy who runs this eight bit show, which is a thing on YouTube, which barely has a blog but also has a Patriot. And he talks about how he does it. And so if you're somebody who's interested in Christian rock or a Commodore 60 fours or weird trends, coding between formats like this is going to be your jam.

And so it was fun. It was like, you know, not a super long thread, but it got all the Commodore 64 people out of them, out of the woodwork. And uh, and it was a little hard because the polygon thing of course doesn't really link to this guy's stuff. It just, you know, it was like we discovered a thing and you're just like, duh, like, cause that's kind of useful. But what I then want to know about is the thing and there's not a lot of other good information. So I spent some time finding, finding the other stuff and uh, yeah, it was fun. So I enjoyed making that post on metaphors about that. And then there was like one or two people who were like, Oh, I remember that Christian rock band, which was unexpected but kind of fun.

Uh, there was a, Oh this is the fun post. And like it's got an [inaudible] zone aspect to it. So this is a post by CGC three, seven, three, um, about a write up, uh, from [inaudible] sort of trying to say, okay, how much of a line can we draw between the sizes of bank note presses in the mid 19th century and the fact that terminals are 80 by 25 character displays. Uh, and uh, it's, you know, I mean go read the thing cause it's a fun sort of romp through some stuff tied together. Um, and there's like, there's some, there's some spots that are just kind of like, there's a gap here. Like, Nope, there's nothing saying that this is what happened. But in the episode, something else, maybe this is the connection because it's of interesting guest. It lines up well. Yeah. Um, and so like I appreciate, I went into the thing, I actually saw it before it ended up on metal filter.

I think, uh, just going around somewhere else and you know, I went into it feeling like a, is this going to be, Hey guys, buckle the fuck up because I'm going to blow your mind with a bunch of really tendentious conclusions. I'm doing shit curse. So you don't think about, yeah. And instead it, it, it, it was much more thoughtfully put out. Like I was like, Hey, here's what I could find. Here's some things that do line up. Here's some hand-wavy answers I got from someone about this. This, I don't know, but it's, you know, it's a possibility, you know, so it has much more of that flavor sort of working through somebody

who doesn't know shit about history, who's like, guys, guys, guess what used to be a USSR, you know? Right. Oh God. I was just looking at Wikipedia and you won't believe what I found out. He found this old globe.

Yeah. There used to be a check O Slovakia. Um, anyway, uh, so it's, it's nice, but then the thread turns into a bunch of fun, uh, nerdy discussion about, uh, punch cards and terminal hardware and software and sort of history tied to that and people talking about their experiences with this or that aspect of it. So there's a bunch of, uh, fun sort of computer, uh, history nerdery in there.

Always a joy, always a joy. So that's a good time. Great. I, um, more often lately, I think we've talked about this, uh, in general, I find good Mehta filter posts or find good like con, uh, content that winds up has already been on [inaudible] over in malt shop. So in this case it was cash man who is mashed can over on malt shop. That's not, no one will ever figure it too confusing for you. But essentially it's a really straight forward, um, article for the player's Tribune about like w NBA basketball and like, I'm just not really a basketball person. Like, you know, more power to people who love basketball, but it's just, I don't know, not my thing, but basically this was, um, Bradley Beal from the Washington wizards talking about, um, what Sheryl Swoopes and Lisa Leslie, uh, I don't remember who exactly, I read it like, you know, weeks ago basically, but essentially talking about how these women in the w NBA specifically, some of them, like it starts off talking about himself and his mother and et cetera, et cetera.

But then talking about these people who are the best players you've ever seen, right? Like how some of these w NBA people are like even more than the Michael Jordan of what they're doing. Talking about how the w NBA is really kind of different talking about how women don't get paid. Like everybody knows like the female players and the players in the WMB don't make as much money. But one of the things I didn't know that I learned from this, uh, this article was basically they don't even make like the same percentage of player money. Like, like this was the comment that I made in the beginning, but basically in the NBA, players in the NBA get 50% of the leagues total basketball related income. Right? So like you play for a team, the league brings in X amount of dollars, the players get 50% of that and the w NBA it's fricking 25%.

That's so right. And so basically this is a pro NBA player guy really writing this thing about what makes a w NBA glorious and at the same time being like they're getting this total like short end of the stick player wise. And it was fascinating cause I don't normally, I don't know that much about it. And the woman who he's talking about who plays for the mystics, this was before they won the WWE NBA championship, which then not that many days after this post went up, the mystics went on to win the w NBA championship. So that was just cool. Like a great long form article written by, you know, with a post written by a fan where you learned a thing that made you appreciate something that maybe was not in your appreciation zone before. Very cool.

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I liked this post from AWS. One seven five seven six. Um, what about tar skis? A AWS one seven five, seven six. Does that mean something to you? Um, I think they, man, it didn't offhand, but I think they mentioned it on their user page or in the thread even. Um, I think it may have actually. Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll have to look sometime. But anyway, the, the, the, the point is, uh, he had some portion of time, I'm so sorry. It's a post about an interesting math problem and about how finding a solution to that problem involves projecting it into three dimensions, uh, even though it's nominally just a two dimensional problem that you know, you're trying to solve something on just a flat plane. Um, and then a collection of a few other problems, uh, that you can sort of use a third dimension to solve a planar geometry problem.

Um, so let's just say it's a fun little Roundup of some interesting math stuff, uh, with an ice theme. And it's also AWS one seven, five, seven, six, his first post 18 years after they joined the site. Um, right. I speak it. I think it is. I think it is. Uh, but I'd have to check. Um, but I think it might be, um, we've had it, we've had a few first posts from upwards of 10 year users in the last month or two, and I've really enjoyed seeing that. Uh, but this is definitely like vying hard for the, the, the podium at least if not the gold. Um, so yeah, and a very short thread, just like a few of us being, you know, happy about math, but uh, but a big achievement and Hey, nice first post newbie. Um, I'll just see if I can remember why I think I know what their name is about

as far as a semi political post, not really political political posts, but, uh, the Welk, I feel kind of like you could just open a thread on basically every teen Vogue article and have some pretty interesting conversation about it. But I don't know if you remember last, you know, couple of weeks ago when Allen degenerates was like, I hang out with George W. Bush. What's the, and it was really interesting, right? Because I think for a lot of people, depending on where you personally stood, you would get a very different message from Ellen degenerate saying that. Right? Yeah. And so basically teen Vogue rights are really good, um, article about, you know, not only like, so she said that thing and then people were making like kind of jokey videos about it. And then the Ellen degenerate machine started trying to take down all those videos. You know, people should be able to say whatever they want unless they're making fun of me or rich lady.

And um, there was just, uh, the Welk made a post with two articles really well done. That turned into a pretty decent, I think, conversation on metal filter, you know, delving into what exactly is sort of going on with, with that situation, right? Like to me from my particular vantage point, it's like, yeah, well of course all the fucking mega millionaires are friends with each other. Like that's how capitalism works. That's what's so stupid about America. But like, I'm sure everybody sees something different, you know, maybe there's like, well, white people all have to stick together, or like famous people all have to stick together or whatever the thing is. And so there's two articles kind of looking into, you know, what, what we can learn what we know about from that, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah, no, that was, that was one of those things where like the event itself was enough of a, on the internet sort of media phenomenon. I was like, okay, well this is, this is going to get to some discussion on the side probably. And so having a actually pretty decent post come together about it rather than like, you know, jumping to, Oh, Hey, look at this having an opinion immediately, let's bring out the takes and having something a little bit, uh, you know, a couple days later and a little bit of thoughtful framing I think did a lot for it being that kind of interesting discussion, which was nice. So good work, everybody that worked out. Okay. Um, I liked this post about the Terminator. A theme song a to B city make made a post about the, the, the theme to the original Terminator film. How does it go? Sorry. Um, [inaudible]

yeah, gives me a, raised me. Yeah. Yeah.

Well it's in 13, eight I think. 13 for 13 is it? Well, okay, so here's the thing. It is a 13, 16, I guess is what people are saying. Um, I mean, time signatures, this is a good thread to read because it's an easy thing to argue about and people have weird like, you know, time signatures are fucking weird. Rhythm is fucking weird. We have a very, very strong, uh, basis in American and in general Western pop music towards four, four and sometimes three, four or yeah, or two in two and six depends. But basically we know four and we know three and variations on them and that's kind of what's familiar. Yeah. Like, like that's, that's 99% of pop music for the last, you know, hundred years. Uh, at least is, is that, and so parsing out more complicated, uh, times X is not, you know, as easy a skill to come by as you might expect if you were thinking it was a real fundamental part of like music. Um, and that is different in other cultures. Like there's a lot of good discussion in the thread about how folk music in a lot of, uh, like Eastern European countries for example, um, or in the middle East, uh, tend to have more complicated time signatures going on just as part of it like itch cause it's just part of the ongoing folk tradition there.

Romanian music, all the kind of, you know, fiddle and whatever stuff. Definitely more complicated.

Yeah. Yeah. And part of it is like, you know, 13, 16 sounds like a ridiculous thing, right. But really, you know, if you look into the Terminator thing, like it's, it's three plus three plus three plus two plus two, you know, it's like duh, duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh. You can break it down into chunks and it's much, well you can and you'll get there faster than you'll get trying to count 13 anyway. Like, you know, you can sort of break it up some really a little bit of waltz, a little bit of straight mash together, you know, and all of a sudden you have something that's built up out of smaller, more digestible parts. Um, but at the same time, it is also just kind of a feel thing at the end of the day. And like, you know, you aren't going to be able to like count everything out all the time.

Um, so you kind of need to feel it. Um, and that's part of like getting used to, you get used to a weird time signature and then it becomes normal. Like people got used to listening to take five from the Brubeck quartet. Um, and you don't hear a lot of five in pop music, but you hear more of it than you did before that record came because all of a sudden it's like, Oh, right. You know, and money from a dark side of the moon is, you know, in seven, eight. And you know, there's, there's examples out there in pop culture of someone doing something or tool does, you know, whatever the fuck they want all the time, a time signature wise. But uh, yeah. And so it was a fun discussion. I enjoyed it. Plus I it the, the team from terminators really good. So it was nice to have that be the thing stuck in my head as a result of whatever was going on.

Well, and I was doing some traveling this month. I briefly went to and from uh, Florida and um, I uh, on the plane I watched beware of Mr. Baker. Have you seen that? About it's about ginger Baker. It's a sort of a documentary about ginger Baker, but it's now for free on YouTube and ginger Baker, you know, the noted drummer for cream and a whole bunch of other bands. And just kind of a noted pretty out there dude. In a lot of ways. Part of his whole issue was, you know, he was a guy who played in rock and roll bands, but he was very number one interested in jazz and number two really interested in African music and African drumming, generally speaking. And he actually moved to Africa in his later years. And you know, he spent a lot of time like in the, I don't know what it was, seventies eighties playing with Failla and doing sort of that kind of like jazzy African drumming.

But you know, listening to him and he was a noted crank and a lot of ways, but listening to him sort of talk about trying to bring more complicated drumming into the world of rock and roll, like you know, just jazz stuff, number one. And then number two sort of more African poly rhythms. Number number two was, was just super interesting and gave me more of an appreciation for why people thought he was such a kind of a singular drummer, which I had never really understood. Like I thought it was just kind of cause he was weird and whatever. And it gives you kind of more of an understanding. I went looking to see a fanfare, how to post about it. Um, because it, you know, it made the rounds a lot more just after he died recently. And uh, no, no posts on fanfare. But uh, for, for people who are interested in odd time signatures, that would be another really good thing. Plus, Josh, I mean for anybody who's interested in music. Fascinating. So fascinating. Cool. Or any of those sort of weird rock bands of the 70s, 60s and 70s.

Oh, and maybe this is going to turn it into something that someone posts about. Who knows? Maybe we're starting something here. Maybe this is like the velvet underground of five minutes segments of the podcast. I don't know. We're with ginger Baker obit actually. Speaking of that seems likely. Um, I'll, I'll, I'll noodle you. Look at that. I'll talk about a post. You find that open. All right. Uh, another post that I enjoyed, uh, enjoyed is enjoyed as a tricky word for this one. Cause I found it sort of unsettling, and it's interesting this, but, uh, fizz made a post about, uh, as a YouTube video of, uh, a robot can solving a Rubik's cube, uh, and it solving it one handed and it solving it through a neural network training process. So instead of like giving this hand a set of very explicit mechanical instructions on how to manipulate a cube, they basically gave it a cube and told them how to look at the cube using yield computer vision, like, you know, analyze images of what's in his hand and told it what it's trying to get to and said, okay, go for it.

You know, and, and basically did a bunch of training simulation to get it to figure out what kinds of things they could do to cause the cube to manipulate and eventually get around to solving the cube, uh, which it does inconsistently, but it does it and it has a sort of weird like palsy motion to its hand, the way it's constantly sort of moving in a strange way and it's uncomfortable. I really, I had literally a hard time watching it in a sort of motion sickness sense. Like it's just, there's a constant movement that with my eye tracking it and with the camera being fairly close up, like it was like, yeah, it's, it was really like, it was lights blinking on the ends of its fingers. Yeah. Makes it challenging. So yeah, it's, it's genuinely interesting, uh, to, to watch and it's a neat accomplishment and a fizz links, uh, more of an explanation about what's going on inside the thread too.

Um, but yeah, I thought it was really neat and also more unsettling than any other robot stuff I've seen in an odd way. Like it looked more like us sort of parallel organic kind of behavior than say a robot dog jumping over an obstacle. As impressive as that is in its own right. You know, that that feels like people doing robots and this looks like a robot figuring out how to do it says. Yeah, yeah. Which I mean, and it's not unsettling, you know? Ooh. You know, rappers, bass list ways just in a, like this is a different looking kind of like, this is what it looks like when instead of trying to make the robot do it, how we.