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A transcript for Episode 144: Give Myself A Cold Goose (2018-09-04.)

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Cortex: Well hey welcome to Episode 144 of the meta filter monthly podcast I am Josh cortex Maillard

Unknown: and I'm Jessamine take a

Unknown: guest go

Cortex: don't work out this still working out this podcast interface thing we're using

Unknown: trike yet try

Cortex: casters are people who are curious or try cat.if. You give explicit about the clever domains. No. Yeah. So how are you doing?

Jessamyn: I'm doing pretty good. You know, summer strapping up, I'm about to, you know, shift over from being seven times seven to being you know, five times

Unknown: what, four times to

Jessamyn: my birthday next week. And so, right,

Unknown: right, right.

Jessamyn: And that's actually been going pretty well, I just finished a little project of my own because otherwise you just sit around and you're like, Oh, god, what am I gonna am I gonna do something? What's happening? What have I done with my life, and I'm pretty good at not doing that. But I figured I'd do something to keep myself busy. And so I did like a 50 by 50 project where I sent out 50 letters and postcards by my 50th birthday. So that's what I've been doing this month I've been making. I don't know if I was doing this last month when we talked that I've been making like, well, envelopes out of an atlas Does that ring I remember I remember you had been doing that previously. At some point. I don't know if we talked about it more recently. Yeah, I think we might have just talked about it on Twitter or something like that. Yeah. But yeah, at any rate, so I just, you know, made a bunch of note cards with you know, bubble stuff and sugar and a straw and made envelopes out of an old Atlas and you know, sent people kind of content free hey,

Jessamyn: here's here's the thing and and that was nice. But it you know, it kept me busy in between helping out at meta filter while you were on vacation. And, you know, dealing with this unbearable weather

Cortex: so how was your vacation It was good and thank you for the card. I really like I got one of those cards from you. And

Unknown: you and Angela yeah

Cortex: and Angela. Notice that we could date roughly the age of the wrapping of us could you use like a page of some like large and all that you know Atlas that has like a list of various you know, notable volcanoes around the world Yes. And she noted that like well, this must have been before 1980 because you look at it and the Pacific Northwest it's got Lassen Peak Right. Which you know, if I guess if you pay attention volcanoes, though. Yeah. Lesson people what it doesn't have as Mount St. Helens. And if you're making a map after 1980 of notable volcanoes, snippets of Northwest Yeah, I'm gonna go with last and peak. You know, that's Yeah,

Jessamyn: because we had to you guys, I tried to pick for most people, like, you know, Atlas pages. That will be interesting. And we just had a trivia question about Krakatoa.

Cortex: Oh, that's right. Yeah. Which I did not get.

Unknown: Well, that's fine. Yeah. You know,

Jessamyn: I mean, trivia is a struggle, right? Like, I love it. But it makes me feel just a little little little stupid every day, you know? Yeah.

Unknown: It's, it's a it's a weird sort of

Jessamyn: house house. Angela doing for some reason. What's in she is in somewhere else. I

Unknown: don't never. I don't remember the name of her run.

Cortex: Think. I think she's doing slightly better than I am. But we both had sort of, like

Unknown: low performing starts.

Jessamyn: So she's in she's in EE, so she's in a lower Rendell, but she's doing better. Yeah. And you are in a higher rental and doing worse. Yes,

Cortex: I'm pleased today to not any longer be literally the last in the Rundle which have been sitting out for. Well,

Jessamyn: the last name that starts with w you start at the bottom of the Randall every single time. Oh, nice. Yeah, it is. I didn't write enough trivia top. Yeah,

Cortex: I was great. So what do you flown to the east coast. And we flew out to other Portland. And we got a rented VW camper van a 1986 Westfalia van, a gun, I

Jessamyn: saw the pictures it looked pretty fun. It

Cortex: was pretty fun. It was a nice little thing. And we drove around coastal main for a few days, you know, we went to a couple of them campsite. lobstermen was actually

Cortex: in Maine at the same time. Oh, and so we managed to drop by and hang out with her a little bit yeah that was that was very nice. It's nice for this nice for me to see her again. snipers for Angela meter. And I hadn't

Unknown: met Oh, that's Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: I mean, we've we've been like internet friends for a decade now. But you live

Unknown: on opposite coasts. Exactly.

Unknown: So

Cortex: So yeah. So that was great. And did some nice camping saw some cool stuff in May we went to West quality head the eastern most point in the United States. It will not surprise

Unknown: you to know I have been there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Cortex: Why post as a flip you there for a cold chef? And then bond cliffs like, Oh, I did the same thing. Two years ago, I posted a picture of himself sending a flip you that culture. So you know,

Jessamyn: there may be two. We actually stayed in that lighthouse station up there. Not a radio station. But the little place that's up there. Yeah. We went on a vacation with my mom and wanted like a place that was like, big yet cheap. And yeah, Eastern most point the US super fun. Nice. And so you this was with your face

Cortex: sweet camper or the trailer. Uh, the so the camper van. We actually rented from a guy who just rent a camper vans. You took a picture of somebody who had a trailer. Oh, let's see.

Cortex: There was my friend Roger and Emily had a rented like, you know, pull it on a truck trailer that they just rented that just got delivered to

Cortex: the campsite, which is amazing. So instead of like renting an RV and driving it, and they got a trailer for much cheaper that they just showed up. And the guy showed up the credit. Here's your trailer for a week.

Unknown: And you just get to stay. Yeah, this is amazing.

Unknown: My friend Sean and carry on a little tab guy was the thing that's Yeah, that's a cute one. That looks

Unknown: amazing. Yeah,

Cortex: it's adorable. And probably about as much space as the VW camper van while also being more modern, having a functioning little toilet being able to, you know, be towed behind something that has an actual motor, it the camper van was was really fun. It was really neat. And I've like never spent any time with like, the The only time I've ever spent with one of those was briefly when PB came to a camping trip years ago. And he had just gotten himself a vana gone

Jessamyn: well, motors in that thing, right? Yeah. I mean, he's, he's a serious camper. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: So like, I think of him is like the, the camper van guy that I know.

Cortex: But But yeah, it's, it's a neat little. It's a neat little ride. It's, it works surprisingly well as a place to live for, you know, a couple weeks essentially, it was nice not to have to fuss with tense, it was nice at what it was like wet out. You just could go inside instead of having to worry about typing and like everything getting wet, right? And it was fun to drive. It was it was kind of a so this was my first time really driving stick. Oh, God. Really? It's like shift. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they made some automatic transmission. But no guns, I guess. But the vast majority are manual.

Unknown: I did not know that. Fascinating. Okay. Yeah.

Cortex: And it wasn't it wasn't literally my first time driving stick because before we went over there we on a couple different days, rented someone's car from them for like an hour on some Airbnb, but for cars kind of service in town. And people had stick shift. And so we went and got someone's car and drove around. And Angie was like, Okay, so this is this the order operations with a stick and the collection the brakes and then the rationale. And I found when I was 16, I could not I don't think I could learn as I've grown up it wasn't too bad. You know, it was it was kind of like I was keenly aware that I was not good at this and that I was suddenly had gotten very bad at what had previously been a totally solid life skill I had, you know,

Jessamyn: well and you learn to drive what like sometime in the last decade right? Yeah, yeah,

Cortex: like we bought a we bought a hatch back like in 2011 in 2012. And like that was when essentially my driving experience started like I had a permit and driven a little bit but I hadn't like been a driver before that shot and now I'm super super comfortable with it. But I'm also like after the last couple weeks much more keenly aware of

Cortex: how nice of a cool three is like modern manual trends or automatic transmission car with like a peppy engine and

Jessamyn: like everyone's responsibility is we're always underpowered like that was just their thing. Sure, you know, I mean, fortunately main doesn't have any real hills to speak of. Yeah, like yeah,

Cortex: there was nothing there's nothing real worrying like the hardest thing for me was like just the the cold starts on a hill like every once while like when I first was just like starting like managing to like make that collection first gear, give it the gas let the clock keep the car running. So I stalled the thing a few times a day or two but by the end of the trip I was like oh you know I kinda like it's not natural yet but like it's not i'm not constantly thinking through every step like I'm actually sort of driving along and got used to like you know, okay I'm coming to a hill I'm just going to give it the goose right now because I need that to get up and over and you know, getting a sense of what a change gears and managing to get comfortable enough with it that I was the guy on the highway puttering along behind somebody like come on dude hurry the fuck

Unknown: yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Cortex: So that was that was kind of nice. So yeah, that was a lot of fun. And then the camping was just yeah, it's like we toured around for a few days on our own, and we met up with friends at Sebago lake. And yeah, my brother and bunch of college friends cuz he moved out to the east coast after I went to school on the east coast. He moved out there later. And so you know, he hangs out with still on the jerk. It works. It works out very well. And yeah, so we get to see them. And basically, you know, if nothing else, we see him once a year doing that. And that's really nice. Good. And then I got like, a cold on the way home. And so it's just been like a

Unknown: back in an airport. Ray light. Yeah. Did you wind up

Cortex: getting home that we got? We got a Yeah, like, I think about the last time I complained online on slack or whatever, about 15 minutes later, we actually got underway, so it wasn't too bad. But it was like it was still we're sitting on the tarmac in a hot plane for like an hour and a half and 95 degree line. You're

Unknown: coming down or something. Yeah. And like, you know,

Cortex: I sort of put it together after that. Oh, I was even more uncomfortable than I was. Because, yeah, okay. So. So I'm still kind of in the throes of that. But I'm going to try and sort of, like cheerfully just be here. Instead of saying, Yeah,

Jessamyn: Jim's been like working through some credit. And, you know, he was like, there was like, a lady from work, who, like, came into work, like,

Jessamyn: I'm okay, you know, and Jim's like to fucking stay home like that.

Jessamyn: And she's like, I've got too much work to do. And so, you know, he comes down with stuff. And like, part of what I sort of coached him through was like, how do you go back to your office and tell the lady who comes to work sick, you were sick for a week, because she had quote, too much work to do, unquote, because he's, like, worried she's gonna be mad at him and turned it into a thing. And I'm like, you should turn it into a thing. Like, I'd be fucking busy. And so he was sick for a week, they had a talk, it went, well, of course, but then he rallied for like, three days. And now he's like, got a cold again. I feel bad for the guy. Because, like, we have plans, you know, like, we're gonna go see the POS ox, we're gonna like, go eat Brazilian food. We're gonna I'm going bowling for my birthday. When I get back to Vermont, like, we have an itinerary and he's just man. He's not feeling it right now. So we're trying to you Don't be like, it's gonna be fine. Like, let's just not think about it right now.

Jessamyn: I guess I could always just hang out with my sister. Not that I don't love her, too. But like, she's part of it. You know, I love it.

Cortex: Did you? Did you decide to purchase some fancy hotdogs. And then, you know,

Jessamyn: in the end, we decided not to do anything. I decided to do the kind of postcard project that I'm doing that Jim's been kind of pinging people about, like, hey, send us a postcard for her birthday. So it's going to be a very kind of passive birthday experience. And then gym. And my sister and I are going to, like, see a baseball game with some friends have, you know, a meal and cake with some friends. And then just do like, a little thing every day for a week, basically, with, like, different sets of people from around here. not from around here. Like it just I just decided I didn't want to do a big thing. Like and became okay with it. And then was like, all right, then, if I don't want to do a big thing. I I'm gonna do the thing I wanted to. So we'll probably have hot dogs here.

Jessamyn: Because I did have a conversation with my sister. Like when you said no hot dogs, hot dogs became the only thing

Jessamyn: because of course, right. Like, she's on my side. But it was kind of funny, because that is kind of part of it. Right? That she's got very strong opinions about how you do things. And I mostly don't. I just want to hang out with people I like and have a good time we may put on our animal heads and go to the beach and like handout, ice cream sandwiches. Two children,

Cortex: this would be the best story of how you got a refund on your birthday.

Jessamyn: I had never been arrested. Like my Cole. I've been with other people who have gotten arrested. I've been taken in because I didn't have a ride home when the people I was with got arrested. But I've never actually gotten arrested. Which is interesting. So maybe it's time

Unknown: Maybe. Maybe.

Cortex: Well, good. You want to tell me anything about the number 144. That's how it grows. It is

Cortex: sorry, I've been waiting hundred 4040 episodes for

Jessamyn: God. I'm sorry. I didn't get that at first.

Unknown: Josh

Unknown: straight person forever. Like

Unknown: the word now. It's even

Cortex: better when I've got a cold. Cuz I'm like, so delighted. I pulled up anything here as

Unknown: well. Nice work, you know,

Jessamyn: 140 first kind of your standard 12 times 12. It also is the number of titles that image on game which I found kind of interesting. And it's got tons of math stuff. Of course, you know, it's the 12th Fibonacci number. It's the largest Fibonacci number. That's a square, you know,

Jessamyn: some tuition nonsense. But in general, it's all right. Yeah.

Unknown: 144.

Jessamyn: And then the article and Wikipedia says it may contain indiscriminate excessive or irrelevant example.

Unknown: All right, that was worth showed up for.

Cortex: All right, uh, let's discuss for a moment, if you will, the subject of jobs.

Jessamyn: There's a couple jobs, I'm one of them. I particularly like is a Mikko doing activism side project wants someone to do a little graphic for some buttons or stickers. So pay 50 bucks

Jessamyn: shouldn't take too long. If she still wants it. You should get in touch with her because it's probably something cool. In addition to probably a job someone who's good with graphics could do yeah,

Unknown: there's also

Unknown: Yes, the typing one, there's the typing one if you can type boy, we got a job for you.

Jessamyn: Or crooked neighbor has a job for you. Because crooked neighbor as a writer, crooked neighbor needs to not be as much of a taper if you have Microsoft Word and can type you should talk to cricket neighbor.

Cortex: There's also a model my hypothetical kitchen from Oh,

Jessamyn: somebody that does that. Like I just remember once on asked me to filter or maybe it was even meta chat. I was asking some question about my idiot kitchen. Somebody contacted me on the on the back and was like, Hey, I do professional kitchen design for a job. Like, if you want me to just give you some ideas. Next, I would do that. Now. I have to figure out who that is. Or if you're listening to this podcast. Yeah, you know,

Jessamyn: this personal flip 100 bucks if you can give them some ideas. In fact, why don't I search my email for kitchen, that should work just fine.

Cortex: There's also a senior mobile developer listing from Adrian Han, which is like a, they make good stuff. Probably a good project. Yeah, so you should definitely get on that if that's your deal. Because to be read to do some stuff later, I use the word kitchen all the time is what I've just discovered about myself, just like there's like you're like nickname for all kinds of things.

Jessamyn: I don't know. But I didn't. I didn't get off a 2018 and my first 50 emails, they use the word kitchen email from you with a link to this discussion

Cortex: kitchen. How often do I say, Well, see. And this is tricky, because I got to make sure it's not just listing like meta filter posts mentioned kitchen,

Jessamyn: your kitchen, you got to know your kitchen.

Cortex: I don't, I don't say kitchen nearly as often as you even if I pretend that like all this stuff that's spam in here is really email. So, ya know,

Unknown: a lot of time in my kitchen. I also read a lot email. Yeah,

Cortex: that could be part of I don't, I don't, I don't do a whole lot of like, random non business email these days. Like, let's do like, I mean, I still email with friends now. And then. But like, a lot of it is a few other channels or whatnot. Like most of my friends who I keep up with, I keep up with via, like, Slack, or talk on like, you know, like,

Cortex: like maybe DMS, or just text with

Jessamyn: a majority of my kind of trendy conversations still happen in email. That's interesting. lot, a lot of like, minor bullshit and Twitter and Facebook.

Unknown: Sure.

Cortex: But I didn't realize that also, maybe we just never talk about kitchens.

Cortex: No. Third my projects I do a project as a kind of a kitchen is kind of, let's just start let me come in again, you don't talk about projects.

Jessamyn: Sure, did this really cool graphic novel

Jessamyn: that is called destination Mars. And it's 177 pages. And it's all up on medium a free a free thing on medium. So if you're one of those people who uses up all your medium articles, like the very first day

Jessamyn: and I'm kind of captivated by if you're looking at this, um, hold on, I'll put the link in,

Unknown: like the pictures.

Jessamyn: He does a thing that makes like, that makes it look like it's 3d. Like, there's, they're just smears. Right? If you look at like the third picture, it's got a bunch of little stars in it. But he smears them in a way that they look like little shadows. And he gives this thing which is otherwise pretty, you know, x KC D style trying like this weird depth that I just for whatever reason fell in love with

Cortex: Yeah, it's nice floating graveyard of cubes. So you know, you know, hey,

Unknown: hey. Yeah,

Unknown: no, it's nice. Yeah,

Jessamyn: I just liked it. And I think medium is actually kind of a neat thing for that. But if you want it on an E book, you can get it on iTunes or Amazon David's also on Patreon. So that was that was the first thing that jumped out of me from projects

Cortex: there was a nice little project link animation thing from the wrong link to

Unknown: from Dame

Cortex: involved in a live coding collective and this is a thing she did some animation for. starts

Unknown: out choosing

Cortex: and ends in Lisa Frank madness

Unknown: seems like a fairly

Unknown: reasonable, please, Frank like the sticker lady. Yeah, like

Unknown: the unicorns and rainbows and shit. Whoa.

Unknown: Oh, yeah, that's cool.

Cortex: But yeah, that project I mean, you know, I feel like basically everybody took August off is kind of how it feels, which works out well since I did to essentially so you know,

Unknown: I was around here being like, Hey, where is everybody? Yeah,

Cortex: we are during the period of the the summer where we just had you not

Cortex: to be fine for eight hours of time was

Jessamyn: pretty interesting. One of the things I was I don't I don't know if I was gonna mention this or not. But one of the things that was interesting about filling in some shifts is that men filter seems busier in in like, a good way than it did the last time I felt in like, at length, which I think was either this time last year or maybe holiday time. Yeah, like they're just seems like there's a little bit more going on, there's a little bit more email and people being interactive. The Mega threads aren't just like this, like black hole, it kind of sucks in all the other side activity, which I know was like a goal you guys had last year. Yeah, but it really seems like as someone who only checks in I mean, I use the site obviously but as someone who only checks in sometimes I feel like it's going really well so

Cortex: you know, like I joke about August off but it's more like it feels like people are like not trying to like get things done because it's like people are on vacation kids are getting ready to go back to school stuff like that. But ya know, it felt it felt nice it felt like you know stuff's going on and that's good yeah

Jessamyn: yeah and just yeah and in a in a good healthy way people seem to be dealing with the the the slightly more active pruning of the mega threads in a good way there's other political posts that are going all right everybody's not yelling about everything all the time it feels like it's just good

Cortex: another project I am delighted to see come up oh yeah psychiatric put together the poster about singing mice because that would come up when we did I made that posting Hey projects is good and everybody should do it more in here let's clarify the rules to make clear you can put all kinds of stuff up there and say ATRIX had been like well, like scientific posters like

Jessamyn: so. Singing mice? Oh, this is great. You know, I should put up my 50 by 50 project, you totally

Unknown: should. Yeah,

Jessamyn: and it's at tweeting mouse on Twitter,

Jessamyn: man, I'm just reading that from the poster. Yeah, but it looks cool. It's got like a crazy picture. And you can learn some stuff about singing. I love it. Yeah, I enjoyed in terms of Jessamine bait this post by

Unknown: can't pronounce this name Bessie. He's

Jessamyn: from Goldberg who did a tweet bot called Commons time. And all it does is post freely licensed photographs of clocks. The ends nice you can follow at Commons time. And you can look at pictures of clocks and good and I like looking at pictures of clocks. Yeah, yeah,

Unknown: I feel

Cortex: like I've come across several projects recently. There are like, like, this isn't necessarily as thoroughly in that vein that basically cataloging like specimens of every bit of like, time in some context, like film clocks, or literature, top box or video game clocks to video games

Jessamyn: they teach you to do with, like, computer school, you know, like, I remember the one that was like the human clock, which was all people holding their arms up, I think to be different.

Jessamyn: You can basically go, so now I've got to figure it out. Yeah, you go to human clock calm. And you

Jessamyn: that's not a clock that says, Oh, I see. And it's just photographs, grit have a number that is, yeah. Hi. Yeah,

Cortex: exactly. This sort of thing. And, and it's interesting because it becomes this project of crowdsourcing, the identification of specimens, like, you know, like any given photo photo on this page is not necessarily going to be all that interesting. Like, I'm looking at a picture of a guy holding up a handwritten sign that says, 1034 in front of like a perspective painting a mural on the wall. It's like, it's fine. Like, it's kind of neat, who's this random guy. And that's a nice painting back there. But it's also just some image, like, there's nothing super meaningful about this. But the fact that you need to find, you know, what is it 60 times 24 or 60 by 12, at least different specimens, just to have a fully stocked clock, and then you end up with, you know, people come up with like, a dozen for any given number. And it's, it's just a neat exercise in collecting material for what is otherwise a very straightforward idea of like, Okay, what we've got, right, because

Jessamyn: it's white, like a 1400 things, right? And then something like that. How many minutes? I thought

Unknown: it might be 1400 and 40?

Unknown: I think it is, Hey, I love this. Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Cortex: But if they don't distinguish AM, it's only 720. So now we're making skateboarding tricks. I really,

Jessamyn: I'm not making a skateboarding joke. What money is what

Cortex: it was, it's like twofold revolutions. There's also a skateboarding video game called 720. I'm laughing because I'm remembering a thing that you weren't there for. So like trying to possible podcasting. But when we were actually we were, we were camping at the lake, we're hanging out the beach and one day some kids were like spinning around the water. And one of the parents said, Okay, do with 720 years and kid didn't get the reference and didn't understand what it was. But he understood that there's like a number and spinning and so for the next 15 minutes, like these four or five random kids I don't know are just like shrieking about Okay, now I'm going to do to 70 Okay, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to do at 730. I'm gonna do I'm gonna do it to 86 no scope. And like, this is some sort of strange these kids are just completely free forming. Oh, so you shout numbers and you spin around. Okay, let's throw in some fortnight. lingo. And we're all set. So yes. Anyway, that was a clocks in other words, is in summary, yeah. And

Jessamyn: if anybody listening to this, can remember what the clock is that maybe are human beings actually holding their arms in the way it's a very difficult thing to Google in, whatever the time is. You go to a website, you see a person who's holding their arms in a way I think that's the thing with humans.

Unknown: semaphore clock that's not really quite right. But it's like

Cortex: to I'm not getting anywhere. I'm just getting pictures of actual semi for which is fair. All right. Yeah.

Jessamyn: Any right i know i know it's a thing and I like clocks. The end. Yes.

Cortex: Also airships is out as our Conan's been working on a game called airships conquer the skies for

Cortex: quite a while now and it's it's out it's actually out for reals and you can buy it on Steam and that's super cool so congratulations

Jessamyn: body has done a Firefox extension that blocks social media sites for people who need a thing like that it's also a ppl license. So you can

Jessamyn: you know, use it block certain things not block other things you can turn the blocking off etc. etc. etc. I found I have a little app that just tells me when 45 minutes has gone by. And I find it really helpful for getting me to be like stop what you're doing. Get off the computer go do the thing you were meaning to do it don't wait till you have to go to the bathroom. Do it now. And yeah, so this looks like it would serve kind of the same kind of the same purpose

Cortex: nice um there's more stuff too but I'm catching up in real time so we should we move on to meta filter Yeah sure.

Unknown: I made a post yesterday just you know get that

Unknown: get that out of the way to do it. But I

Jessamyn: am a huge fan have been of the work of Stan Brock who was a guy who if you are an old like myself, was on mutual of Omaha's wild Kingdom as like the Barefoot assistant like you would always like ride a horse barefoot, and you are always like, what is that guy's deal. And he's from New Zealand, I believe. And then he made a couple movies. And then he dropped out of Hollywood and founded this

Jessamyn: program called remote area medical that basically goes to places where people don't have access to healthcare, dental care, vision care, and they set up these huge kind of mobile triage clinics for like three days using tons and tons of volunteers, like on air strips and shit. And last year, they offered free care to 40,000 people. And he just died yesterday. And so I just did a little bit post so that people could know who he was.

Unknown: I didn't know about that little Yeah,

Jessamyn: no. Fascinating. I found out about it, I think because I was like doing some stuff on Wikipedia. And I found his page and I had been like, hey, somebody should put a picture on this page. And then when it got changed to say that he died, you get a little notification. And so I was like, oh, oh, well, but people should know about remote area medical, because it's fascinating what they do. I mean, it's kind of like,

Jessamyn: what is it? mountains, mountains, behind mountains, mountains, over mountains? What's the

Unknown: Doctors Without Borders.

Jessamyn: Tracy kidder wrote a book and it had a name like that

Unknown: out of context. Yeah, you know,

Unknown: mountain

Unknown: mountains

Jessamyn: for Christ's sake. And it's like that only it's done with volunteers in the United States. And one of the interesting things about it is there's only 12 states in the country where you can actually have volunteer medical people performing volunteer medicine, like it's actually against the law, like in a lot of states to have somebody come into your status volunteer to be like, I'm a doctor, let me you know, perform medicine because practicing medicine without a license is Yeah, do

Unknown: you know that's the thing well, and

Jessamyn: so one of the things that remote area medical did was work to change the laws so that they could have volunteer people come in and you know, go do go to their volunteer medicine or make, you know, they have machines that make eyeglasses for people, that kind of thing. So it was interesting I learned a little bit about sort of the political environment in which he worked in addition to everything else and he was just some dude who like slept on a mat in the corner of the office and walked around eating oatmeal and bananas still barefoot into his 80s interesting dude yeah

Cortex: well the post I made this month I didn't actually make because when I went to make it someone else had already made it while I was on vacation never go on vacation everybody steals a good post is what I learned from going on vacation oh you know that happened a bond Cliff to I don't know if you saw him on Twitter today complaining

Jessamyn: that somebody had taken his parachute he beaver

Unknown: talk about your own place. Yes,

Cortex: this is just there's a guy who does circuit bending stuff which is a kind of musical hardware discipline where you take things that have you know, p integrated circuits and circuit boards and whatnot and that creates sound and then you do weird things for them to come in and make sounds differently like the most straightforward conceptual version of circuit bending is to literally take like a a circuit board and bend it and as a result you you know, slightly break connections and slightly fuck up the chips and then they just behave a little weird can get screen sounds out of things good now sky Well, this is not that that mouth guy this is a guy who's like in the electronic music scenes that Nelson

Unknown: a friend if dead mouse. Yeah.

Cortex: And he explained it to me with video. Basically, you know, somebody

Cortex: may be dead mouse tweeted, you know something and said, Hey, I found this electronic Bible so much circuit Ben this and maybe dead mouse was like, Oh, yeah, this Sam should do it. And then he's like, Well, fine. And then he did and it's so it's just, it's like an electronic Bible. Like, like an audio book is

Jessamyn: something different and confused about the Bible part. It's like

Cortex: an audio book Bible on microchips. Actually, it's a digital, you know, it's a, you know,

Cortex: it's, it's a, it's a person reading the Bible stored on, you know,

Jessamyn: in a chip, not like just a file.

Cortex: So I think the idea is, you could like, pull up the verse and chapter you want to listen to and then it would play it back that but like, it's a whole bunch of audio from the Bible and this guy, just use that like it was, you know, the source of random audio noise and added a bunch of cool stuff to make it make weird crazy noises. Yeah,

Cortex: I don't know. I mean, I watched the video when you get a chance, because it's, I watched some

Jessamyn: of it, and I'm completely confused. It looks like a man's hand making terrible noise.

Cortex: Yes, bye. Bye. Bye. Bye, bye, bye, flipping switches, whatnot, on something that in its basis, is just sort of regurgitating some recorded reading of the Bible.

Jessamyn: I get this kind of thing you like. And it's the kind of thing where I'm just sort of like kids today. I'm happy. The world has lots of different kinds of people so that I don't have to appreciate this, but you totally can. Yeah, so wait, what happened? You went to make this post David already done it. Yeah,

Cortex: I got home from the woods and I saw it on Twitter. Oh, this is fucking great. I went to post it up. Nope. Someone got there. Well,

Unknown: that's the problem with getting your ideas from Twitter. Well, people are already on the internet we get ideas from books

Unknown: See that's so effortful, though

Cortex: super effort fall like like, say, this is a question of Twitter itself, because honestly, this is usually mastodon or malt shop is my actual source.

Unknown: Glad to hear about blab. I'm asked what

Cortex: my point is. My point is, I like getting stuff from like, sort of like social media. Because as much as it has done a terrible amount of damage to the

Cortex: feeling. Yeah, there's still there's still that's also kind of as a result, where a lot of the people just saying, Oh, hey, I found this weird thing are like, and so I try and follow people who find weird things on Twitter. Yeah, mastodon and so on. And that way, yeah, there is a lot of stuff that's like, Oh, you know, this would be perfect for me to filter and it just hasn't hit that because it didn't happen on someone else's feed. So fucking, I'm going to post it. And I was like, yeah, with this one. Because, like, no, this one got out there. Someone else found it too. So someone

Jessamyn: else's already also on the thing. The Oh, speaking of

Jessamyn: I don't know what I was speaking

Unknown: on. It

Unknown: actually

Unknown: figured out whether whether or not

Cortex: I partially don't think I don't. But I should probably know,

Unknown: I have no idea.

Jessamyn: I guess we should figure that out. At some point. Can you remind me when the weather gets a little worse, that we can figure out what the ownership structure is? Because part of the problem is, we don't have stock, you know, and so there's a whole bunch of people who theoretically own it, but they don't have any stock in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, we'll figure out what that actually means in terms of ownership. But we probably should. And I have my lawyer Danny gum balls as like, explain this to me, and it just doesn't so. But he lives in my town of Vermont. So what I'm spending more time to from I'll take him out for dinner and be like, Look, I need to actually know what this means. Yeah,

Jessamyn: and you've got to do you know, all of your sort of financial planning. And what happens

Cortex: to edit filter by a bus remind me next to me, like, Oh, yeah, there's that other thing that I should

Jessamyn: great book. So back to back to shop, I had a malt shop meetup with a BA, who is also a long time then filter person. But basically, it's probably the first time somebody I really only knew I didn't really know him. I met a filter. And I knew him through malt shop. And he was saying, Oh, hey, I'm gonna be coming through Massachusetts. I was like, Oh, you need a place to stay like, he's like, actually, that would be totally awesome. And it turns out his sister lives really close to where my mom's empty houses. And so he stayed there. They went to Vermont. They stayed my apartment there. They came to visit down in, down in Westport. And yeah, I got to meet him. It was super fun. And his son and Jim was there and there's an adorable picture. And it just to me, like a social network is only real when, like, you go meet people from it in real life. I know other people have different definitions, you know, yeah, I you know, that,

Jessamyn: that you actually cuz to me, like social networking is all about like, you know, work stuff, but also like making friends and like people you can meet in real life and hang out with and so this was just fun to know that somebody I know from the online community was cool and fun to hang out with in real life. feminist feminist kid brought s'mores fixing. And so I had my first more of the season. And then they left a huge box of blueberry Eggo waffles in the freezer, which are ruining my life. Because if you have them with melted marshmallows, they're basically the best food but I'm like a grown ass. Not very active lady who needs to not

Unknown: go nuts from the marshmallow. Because, you know, I so fuck that

Unknown: guy. And

Unknown: I spent all that time camping and I didn't have once more

Cortex: wars were had. I just, I've never quite in the mood.

Unknown: I was drinking. Like, you know, it's

Unknown: physical drink a lot of beer

Unknown: from this. Great. So it's

Cortex: like, I don't really need extra carbs right now. I already have like, adult candy at the moment. So yeah, I'm fine.

Jessamyn: Well, and that's one of the things my sister and I were talking about. It's like, we just mostly don't eat more as anymore Just because it's a lot of like,

Jessamyn: empty calories we don't necessarily need and if we're gonna do that will like go have like some kind of crazy dessert at the Portuguese restaurant. Now, it is like, we haven't been out like chopping firewood all day, or whatever the things are back when we used to camp like, I don't camp that much anymore. Like I used to it now. I'm mostly tone but you know, good to other people who do it. But as a result, I haven't been hiking all day. And so I'm not like, Yes, I want to stuff my face with marshmallows all afternoon. Yeah, I mean, I want to, but I don't. Yeah,

Jessamyn: so let me sort out my things. Okay. Okay, here's here's the thing that I learned on Twitter that I came to post them at a filter and found that it was already there. The What the fuck Alberta? What happened to your rats? This is by extra again. And have you seen this is so crazy. It was basically somebody was on Twitter looking at and and Twinbrook eight makes this comment as the second comment looking at this picture, the link that I'm sending you, which is basically where the common rat is in the world. And the wrong is saw this picture three ways except except for Alberta. And of course, everybody in this thread, which just, you know, rip this guy's mentioned are basically like, what the fuck Alberta? And so it turns out there's this long article in the National Post, which explains how, um, what happened. There's like a rat patrol in Alberta that keeps the rats out, basically. And the article super in interesting pictures of the rat patrol with a rat. You know, these guys with guns who actually don't look menacing because they're like, Canadian prairie farmers.

Cortex: But yeah, it was it was a really interesting thread. It's people from Canada and other places talking about how you deal with rat stuff, other people just telling their stories. And if you don't bet it filtered its best basically that is that is amazing. Know, I saw that picture go by. And I had assumed that like, Oh, this is this is somebody joking about some bad data is because of like, you know, inconsistently and data presentation rather than literally the entire province. fucked up rats. It's amazing. Yeah,

Jessamyn: well, and I think I've told you this before, right? When, like my sister and I spent time in London or actually just around Great Britain in general. We were kind of freaked out when we see foxes walking around during the day. Because around here, if you see a fox walking around during the day, it has rabies and run but Great Britain has no rabies, because they're an island and they can just get rid of it. And so the animals there don't have rabies. And I guess boxes have a different schedule in the world without rabies. I don't know that

Cortex: I just wait to be like, hunted by very posh people. You

Cortex: know there's no homes today I'm just gonna go down the bar have a smaller

Unknown: there's a

Jessamyn: cheese. Well, last year bitten put a note in this thread so that you would see it for the podcast. And I figured it was probably my job to bring it to your attention because I know you've been busy. Oh man. Yeah, there's no chance I was gonna see admin knows last week.

Jessamyn: So essentially, it's an article on the cut and I'll just read the title. Do men enter bathtubs on hands and knees so their balls hit the water last

Unknown: what

Jessamyn: apparently this was something that started on some mommy blog that like maybe like

Cortex: children did it through or something? I mean, I think the answer I don't know I don't even know how to parse the question like like like like I can read this question in a couple ways which is like question does

Unknown: is right does that work from a physical perspective as well? Well I

Cortex: mean like I want to back up and say do men enter bathtubs on hands and knees because I don't make say I've never why would Why would you just now you'd like sort of like go but down You said yourself in yeah yeah like I'm probably going to step into the tub and sort of like grab the sides with my hands and sort of like lower myself pass first into the water like a human being

Jessamyn: I don't know I'm just saying there was this thread and lobster mitten thought you should see it

Jessamyn: and then everybody you know somebody says butts lol that's Melis Mata hey oh I'm liking

Jessamyn: and puts his balls in first apparently I mean exactly it's a great

Cortex: essentially I I'll mark this one to come back to you should because gosh

Cortex: you know what, what I often do like I still kind of don't like to use favorites for reference too much because like that's not how I use them so I don't want like just like oh I should go look at this at some point but I'll have a specific reason I'll favorite it and now he's my favorites like bring stuff up for podcast when I do use them for posts and whatnot so I just add stuff to activity now and like I'll probably forget about this and then like two days from now someone to one week late to say you know balls and stuff and like oh yeah that thread yeah I should go read that thread right okay.

Cortex: On on a similar front This was before I actually went on vacation but I think was already distracted at this point there was a post about using can openers the right or wrong way it's Griffis made a post you have we've been opening cans the wrong way our whole lives I guess you can use the Can I mean I think the answer for me is yes according to this I'm doing it wrong but you know it's the way that works I saw this and I tried opening it the right way with my manual can offer I couldn't get fucking work so like no

Jessamyn: video or can I actually this is like a Twitter

Cortex: there's like a you know short Twitter video

Unknown: hashtag I don't like 30 seconds or something. All right

Unknown: I'm gonna watch it while you talk yeah

Cortex: and and the whole thing is like you know there's there's a couple ways you could orient a can opener on the can when opening it and one of them there's

Unknown: literally only too well yeah that's it that's what a couple is

Cortex: and so the video guy like laying it down sideways and doing it and it just works and yeah I've seen this happen for that matter. I've seen electronic can openers work and I think that's pretty much orientation they use but put I don't give a fuck like I don't I don't need to do that it works fine the way I do it I'm not like you know giving away gifts in the used can so I don't care if there's like

Cortex: a rim in the wrong I don't know I just don't know so I'm kind of pleased that there's this boggling point of contention

Unknown: knowing this yeah

Cortex: I don't feel like I need to change anything in my life as a result but it's nice to be reminded that there may

Unknown: always watching the internet be like you're you're doing it wrong we're yes

Unknown: well sometimes depends on which internet and what they're saying about I don't

Jessamyn: work there so that's always fun for me

Unknown: usually fun on meta filter

Jessamyn: yeah yeah yeah yeah. Speaking of you know shit that's always been wrong women's pockets

Unknown: oh yeah I suppose goodbye yeah

Jessamyn: I mean it was a mostly good

Jessamyn: there were definitely a couple kind of hardcore nerds there who are like well there's a reason for that and I'm like I don't give a shit with reason is like the point is it's bullshit and or like why don't you just get all your clothes tailored but it was you know I always enjoyed these kind of solidarity threads about like how bullshit you know the pocket situation is I guess you had to tell people to calm down so maybe that wasn't a favor I think that's why well I

Cortex: don't know that I spent much time with it but I think there was just like some some things came to a head or something I don't know I forgotten already so yeah

Jessamyn: well that's you know what makes you good at what makes you good at meta filter

Unknown: or just so talk

Jessamyn: or whatever but like Jen Full Moon like put together some some articles about like women's clothing and pockets and you know I mostly were like men's clothing or like kinda and be sexual like you know prep be closer a little bit more sure they fit you know everybody and I don't know if they're men's or women's clothes or not so most of my shit has pockets as a result I'm always horrified when something doesn't because it's so clearly crazy but at any rate funds or other men filter to still open if you want to go a talking about pockets

Unknown: get into it

Cortex: this just missed the mark for like last podcast I This must been like the same day but the post Joe zydeco made a post about the dogs the dogs the dogs from we we rent goats calm

Jessamyn: What happened? Yeah, new the loose go part of the story as

Cortex: well. That's that some goats got out. Like, that's all you need to know. If that doesn't excite you just hit the pause

Cortex: button. Go get the fuck out. And it was a fun thread. So yes, go read about those goats

Jessamyn: did make the best social media reactions. I did

Cortex: make a post earlier this month of something that someone had not double posted on

Cortex: and then didn't delete it. Because it wasn't just didn't search well enough.

Cortex: So that was that was a good time. But here's the actual post which got made by

Cortex: it's about skater named Matt Thomas. Hello. Doing some

Jessamyn: little skateboards that are cut in half. Yeah, yeah.

Jessamyn: When you put it up, I think. Yeah, I

Unknown: think and I think I saw them all chopped. So

Cortex: but yeah, it's, it's just weird, Goofy skateboard bullshit. And I really enjoyed it. And again, there's not much else to say, go watch some Goofy, you know, skateboard bullshit

Cortex: off of models. I This was my favorite mode note, I think I let this month was there was a post about

Cortex: the Church of Satan getting into some more religious liberty trolling.

Cortex: Turns out, it's not the Church of Satan as the Satanic Temple. So I believe, yeah,

Jessamyn: and somebody emailed us about that. So this is Dr. Nima, who made this post who I happen to know because he's kind of a extended neighbor and for mine, and then somebody emailed us and I was like, oh, gosh, you have to Oh, wait a companion cube. And I was like, you have to email the OP or whatever. And then I think that came back on your

Unknown: on your shift. Yeah,

Cortex: a couple other things here. And then I guess we can move on to the greener pastures.

Unknown: I know

Cortex: good because the filter green

Jessamyn: I use classic same. Everything's white clean.

Cortex: Is it because of the snowy north of Vermont

Cortex: case? Under ice at all times? Just like little hints of color peeking out through the the frozen landscape? Yes. Okay. That's good.

Jessamyn: So I also like this thread, because this is a website that's been up and down over the last like, I don't know, 15 years, but it's basically a website, pretty straightforward. It's called does the dog die. And what it used to do is tell you if a pet gets abused or killed as a part of movie so that people who have problems with that kind of thing, do not have to watch it. But it has evolved to basically covering all sorts of stuff that you might not want to see. Like, Hey, does someone get Miss gender? Does someone get burned alive? Does someone die by suicide as a kid died as a parent die? Are there spiders? Is there any tooth damage? Yeah, I

Cortex: have a friend who would absolutely appreciate that. Is there I mutilation aspect, right? No, I want to, I want to call someone out. You're looking at this list of things. So like, oh, there's a lot of does this specific thing happened is this specific thing happened. And then there's does someone fart or spit and now look, I can, I can understand, someone might be disinclined to see either regarding or spitting. But I don't know that you can just lump them together like that. Like spitting and farting seem like two very different things. They'd be treated differently in the language of cinema. Like you can't just like shame someone farting, the way you show someone spitting unless you're being very you know flamboyantly, like, you know, slapstick about it. And I don't know, I don't know,

Unknown: now I'm there with you. I'm there with you. Like different things. Everything else

Cortex: is like, does this one thing happening? It's like farting and spinning. Just gonna lumped I don't know I don't know is Santa spoiled?

Cortex: Well I mean he's living pretty high on the hog

Jessamyn: but and of course somebody pops into the thread you know talking about like

Cortex: we could just like clip that out and append that to any discussion of a threat of what was your your sheltered

Jessamyn: life kind of thing um. And then other people were like that's okay actually I'm totally okay with my you know non creepy movie choices but thanks yep

Cortex: man so I was reading Titan book watch did the Duke Duke book watch

Unknown: let's tighten tighten by

Cortex: john Varley was the first in a series of books that started with type then and there was wizard Come

Unknown: on, next. No information with

Unknown: people and people.

Cortex: It's, it's about a ring world type thing that spoiler alert turns out to be kind of like, large, like, self contained organism. Like, it's not just like,

Unknown: Is it good? Would you recommend it?

Cortex: It was good and bad. I gotta Yes. Well, here's the thing. I was having a real hard time getting through it. And well, that's obviously I was having a hard time feeling super enthusiastic about it. But it was like the book that I took camping, I know how that is it like characters and it kept mentioning science fiction properties, which was like, you better have a payoff for that. Because, like, otherwise, you're just like,

Cortex: and it was really obsessed with like, who wanted to fuck who in a way that felt like, you know, never really got like a

Jessamyn: male writer. Maybe

Cortex: George RR Martin, sort of Martin actually blurbs on the back of the old copy we have,

Unknown: I've got

Cortex: but but it's, it's interesting. And it's for like, you know, if you've read the ring world books, you know, it's it's another ring world like it's it's own thing. But like, you know, you have that sense of like, you're exploring a large world of foreign alien architecture in space and people having adventures there. But like it the character moving motivations felt kind of weird, and he did seem a little too interested in people's sex lives and all shares strange alien centers that have both human genitalia and also a great big horse dicks, but they're actually great. Big human dicks. Yeah.

Cortex: And so the whole thing I'm reading through is like, well, I don't get and at the end, there's sort of a big reveal that ties some of that stuff together, like the science fiction stuff turns out to be because the entity that is and creates and runs the space station is like 3 million years old. And it has for last few thousand years, been monitoring human culture and the last hundred or so like watching TV. And so like, it's getting all the ideas from human TV. So it made the centaurs but it was real proud of itself for coming up with a whole giant horse stick thing. And that was kind of that was almost maybe the best explanation is like, oh, the reason this is sort of, like, weird and inappropriate. Is it some strange 3 million year old alien beings? Yeah, well, look, what I came up with is like, Okay, well, maybe. But it's, it's the whole thing. It was kind of strange, but it wasn't bad in the end, but I don't know. I have weird feeling. So

Jessamyn: why did you start talking about this? Um, I don't remember. I

Unknown: have no idea. This cold is really

Unknown: up for on me.

Unknown: Oh, great. That's why Oh, that's a bummer. realize that's what it was. There's like,

Cortex: there's just like, a narrative, Lee, you know, linchpin of rape. Like the book is like, you know, you did not have to fucking have like, well, this is what the story needs now is violent, right? Like now you could you could have found a way to do it like, like it could have, if nothing else been downgraded to a frightening you know, threat of sexual violence or something. If you're wanting to make that key tools going out with our character

Unknown: raping. Yeah.

Cortex: Instead was like, you know, like stoic tactical toleration of a thing, and then some almost murder later and said, You know,

Jessamyn: I've been putting I put, I put my shoulder down and kept on going, and then you're like, Hey, good job. Here's the boss. I recommend, as an antidote to that, Josh, that you read the Long Way to a Small Angry Planet trilogy by Becky Chambers, which is a very affirming feminist

Jessamyn: without being just kind of a like a just go women tail. You know, I mean, there's some things that are feminist because they're essentially all only about women. This is just a feminist philosophy with a wide range of, you know, male, female and sort of a gendered characters.

Jessamyn: That is a really great kind of space romp. And I just finished the reason I mentioned this, because I just finished the last book in the trilogy this morning, and was like, it was really good. I felt good about that, like, it's a bad things don't happen, but there's just no gratuitous bullshit that you have to like, question the motives of the author. Like, like the person writing this book. Just a weird creep. You know what I mean? There's just not,

Cortex: these are the specific things that are happening in this narrative. Yeah, so

Jessamyn: if you're interested, a Becky Chambers long way to Small Angry Planet, the wayfarer series. I really enjoyed it.

Cortex: Um, I will mention one more that I just enjoy a nice little things that music video that was linked by a nerd fish

Cortex: It's a song about being a cow and fuck you. I'm a cow and it's it's that's that's again, you know, it's good. Go watch. It is the whole thing. holdings got a super low five video aesthetic, and I appreciate it.

Unknown: And

Jessamyn: you know what i was reading last night about that, um, that that the angry goose

Unknown: untitled goose

Jessamyn: goose game? Yes. It's like the first like,

Jessamyn: Is there a metaphysical books? I have no idea. I'm just like, the first kind of like, dumb game thing where I was like, Ha. I'd like to find a way that I can actually maybe play that.

Jessamyn: But I also wanted to mention last meta filter posts that I had was this post by Gudrun Gudrun, how do you tell a thirsty elephant not to take a drink which is about the elephants that are in the DC zoo. And the water supply might be contaminated. And they needed to figure out how to get the elephants the water they needed. But not the bad water that they didn't need. And it's just kind of a long post explaining how it worked. And what the zookeepers did. And on torch which is Sonia publication. One of the things I really actually like about sort of increased

Jessamyn: panopticon social media stuff is that I can learn a lot more about how good zoos operate. Like there's like Zoo TV shows, which should come as a surprise to nobody. But it was a surprise to me because I don't watch a lot of TV. But my friends who have the TV watch Animal Planet stuff, and there's a whole bunch of like, let's learn about the zoos. I mean, I think last month we looked at like tiny goat gets introduced to Yeah, porcupine or whatever. But like all those little things like Zoom's doing social media to talk about how the zoo works. Like, you know, I can just only imagine how much 10 year old me would have lost her mind getting to have all this good information about zoos. It was just kind of unavailable to us as kids. You know, when I was a kid, you'd have to read a book about a zoo. Yeah,

Cortex: it's a it's an embarrassment of I was hoping to find upon on the way to the end of that riches, riches. I'm going to finish the alien.

Jessamyn: Yes, I enjoyed asked me to filter very much this month, as I do every month. I may have actually been slightly more active in it this month than usual. But, um, there was a music video post about like, iconic music videos, like what are what are definitive music videos of the last decade, which I enjoyed, because I got to look at some videos I haven't seen and see some old videos that I hadn't seen in a while. And then. So that was by

Jessamyn: cult, URL bias, who's a user I don't remember having really seen a lot from before. And then storyboard I had posted a couple like funny videos that I like storyboard was like, Oh, my God, I love those. I want to go see more of those. And I was like, you should post and asked me to filter thread. And so they did. And there's a great comedy music video thread, which has just wonderful things in it. So if you like iconic music videos of the last 10 years, or if you like, comedy, music videos,

Jessamyn: that kind of thing is good. And this didn't happen in this thread. But I've noticed in some other, like, helped me find music videos, threads, there's a user now I'm trying to figure out what the user's name is. See if I see them. And,

Jessamyn: um, there's a user who's like, been going around being like, Hey, I put these all in a playlist enjoy, like, just, you know, just for fun, like, just to be helpful. Um, and so it's cool. If you look at some of the Ask method filter threads that put together a whole bunch of music videos that theoretically a way to do that

Cortex: that is clutter. clutter. Important. Yeah,

Unknown: me too.

Cortex: I enjoyed this thing I came across yesterday, just on sort of principle, and also got me playing the stupid clicker game. So I deeply resented

Unknown: the click again,

Cortex: if I only had a penguin asked, hey, you know, I played yesterday. Yeah, yeah, just like last night, said, Hey, I play the shark game. It's this clicker game. And after you get a whole lot of things, it stops giving you actual numbers, and just says you have lots of it. So I have lots of everything. And I also am gaining lots of things per second, but

Unknown: it won't give you a number. Yeah.

Cortex: So I want to know what the numbers are. How do I get these which is essentially comes down to like, how do I poke around in the JavaScript console for this game, and they got some good leads, axiom and damage popped into say, Oh, hey, here's a couple places you can look. And this is anything I this is true about, like every, like, you know, Goofy JavaScript game running in a browser, and things that are games for that matter. But games are an obvious places like, you can just pop up in the developer console in your browser and start poking around to try and figure out what's going on in various, you know, variables in the program. So if you want to find out an answer to something that you can go look. So there's no actual resolution yet in the thread that basically actually

Unknown: gave them enough

Cortex: to work with to start poking around and probably produce an actual answer. And so I'm excited to see if, if I only had a penguin ends up get them like a hard. Okay, here's I found these variables. And it turns out, it's this many Brazilians is how many I have. Hey, right. Like, the general thing is nice. And also, it's, it's a slightly amazing little chart game, so I don't think I'm gonna get so

Unknown: you've been you've been clicking around a little

Cortex: bit last night, just doing an offhand while actually playing another game last night, like, pop over by some more shark stuff by crabs go to another ocean universe. So okay, I'm on the board. So that was nice.

Jessamyn: I enjoyed this Scrabble question, which was by revenge, which was kind of a combination of like, we play Scrabble using this one dictionary, but we're only allowed to use those words. But then there's some words that aren't in there. How could we use a more official dictionary? Also, by the way, tell me about some house rules you have for what isn't isn't allowed in your Scrabble game, which is still open, so people should go and talk about it, because there's like, very, not that many, 14 comments, I guess it's like, it's not 14 comments, 14 favorites. And so people point out like, this is this is

Jessamyn: the dictionary, but then people talk about some of their specific rules, like, you know, if you get if you can play Jay Z x, y que k that's legal, and you get like, 100 points, or you win the game or whatever. Yeah. Or like, you know, are you allowed to play dirty words or not? What if your dictionary has them? Or doesn't have, you know, there's a whole bunch of drama within the Scrabble community about, you know, slurs, you know, some dictionaries have them, and some don't. So, at any rate, it was fun to hang out with my Scrabble nerds and just talk about Scrabble a little bit. Yeah, I,

Cortex: I have an occasion tried to play for, like, you know, explain yourself Scrabble, where like, you can play anything, as long as you can make a compelling argument that right, but like that, that tends to break down pretty quickly. It feels like,

Jessamyn: I mean, Jim and I have been playing so long with the same dictionary. And it's very interesting that, like, our techniques are kind of different. And he will just literally like, he runs at a time because he's trying, like, every combination of letters to see if it's a word like, because we allow, we allow that in our house rules, you know, we don't play with challenges, whereas I have a lot more time, but I mostly go with words that I know. So you know, if he plays a word, and I'm like, What the fuck? That is not what he has to like, tell me what it means. And theoretically, we're learning something. I don't know if we're learning something. But theoretically, we are learning something.

Unknown: I had a couple.

Jessamyn: What's it called? Like? big, bigger, biggest, like when you when you have something that's the most of something. Oh,

Cortex: the qualifiers. qualifiers,

Unknown: magnet, something. All right, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

Jessamyn: there are two that I thought were interesting. How do you convey the largest possible number with conventional symbols by the phlegmatic in, which is early good user. But basically, I like it because the below the fold thing is starts out this is dumb and weird. But

Jessamyn: basically, we're like using regular numbers and regular symbols. What is the biggest number you can make?

Jessamyn: And it was a interesting I learned some things you know, we do when logs and a whole bunch of other stuff. I didn't totally understand it. And no Best Worst, most unusual shit. Okay. And then this other one by grouse just the other day, what is the oldest entities still referred primarily to as the new something so like, there's a new for new for the new forest? Yeah, you know, a long time ago, and new college are their older ones, comparatives, by the way. I comparatives for God, thank you. So, you know, people are talking about the New Testament, Naples technically means new, etc, etc. So, it's just a fun, smart thread. And I enjoyed it. And, you know, it was fun, of course. So, those two kind of went together as a as a pair for me. Yeah,

Cortex: I see lobstermen mentioning

Cortex: in the the biggest number of stuff using up arrows. And I feel like I know about up arrow notation.

Cortex: But I also kind of say, yeah, that's not common, like, like, I guess common versus conventional, like, like

Jessamyn: to up three, you mean, like, would be two times two times two. But that's not normal?

Cortex: Well, not not, not, not that Not, not carrot? Like I would say, I would say carrot like, like, like two carat two would be to, to the to power. Right. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. There's I'll link to the individual comment. There's a common thread. Well, look at the common from real food. I'll just I'll just linked to the new thing that they're linking to. Just for reference

Cortex: out there. Oh, yeah. So it's it's own thing. It's it's not just a power thing. Yeah, that's that's not that's not I don't think it's conventional that like among mathematicians, certainly, like known, but so yeah, I think I think powers of powers is probably the way to go. But

Jessamyn: But it's interesting. It's a great nerdy question. Right? It's a great night tech question. Pretty recursion. See also busy Beaver. I think I will designing a halting binary alphabet Turing machine which writes the most ones on the tape.

Jessamyn: Um, and let's see a couple other fun like, nerd question. Right Thing where there's not enough baggers for all the lines at the checkout, but like your cashier is ringing up your groceries, are you

Jessamyn: I'm good question by bleep variety of answers. interesting conversation. A lot of people kind of default to like, Hey, is it okay? If I begged my own groceries? Which is kind of funny that you'd have to ask for a thing that appears to be baked into how the supermarket works, but apparently is baked into how the supermarket works, but I appreciate it it because I never know the answer to that question. So I'm always wondering. Yeah,

Jessamyn: and then technical one from dances with light, which is like those fucking pop ups about the newsletter. How do I make them go a way? Oh, yeah, answer you can. But you can a little bit w city Mike came up with a Firefox plugin that gives you a keyboard shortcut to make them go away.

Unknown: Next.

Cortex: I enjoyed this very, very late follow up Cashman in 2009. Posted death metal filter saying, Hey, what's this music there's this thing I saw played on a like Raiders vs Redskins game. I can't find the song. What is it? And someone said, Oh man, huh? Oh, here's a guest, but I don't have much. And then they said wow, this one's been sitting around a long time like two weeks after has been posted. And then like nine years later, I see him. ashcan posting on MailChimp saying Oh, hey, I found an answer. This old question is is like you know, I could post on and ask me for you. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. So I did so. So nine years later, there's an answer. And it came from the person who asked the question in the first place.

Jessamyn: We were just talking about Cashman the other day because Jim didn't know that mash malt shop was Kashmir medical. Yeah,

Unknown: I guess I could understand.

Unknown: I mean, they are different names.

Unknown: So you know, they have different user icon say

Unknown: yes. You know,

Jessamyn: clearly the same person debate, but like Jim doesn't, he doesn't have that kind of continuity of people. Because he's not, you know, he's plugged into the me fights, he knows, but he really is plugged in the ones he doesn't know. Sure. Yeah. So it was this big revelation for him. What? Yes. Ashe medal match. Same, dude.

Jessamyn: I also truly loved

Jessamyn: this mask mask for for Oh, mass case. Oh, I never knew

Jessamyn: I thought this was like masks poor for like, give me a mask please. Yeah, but it's no it's more cheese please. Yes. Mosquito mosquito. At any rate,

Jessamyn: I enjoyed the question. I need to know everything about state County Regional affairs anecdote, data history all of it I need it and so it's just people talking about state fairs and they're like what kind of stuff to you and the OP follows up all of it please and so you know different people talk about what their fares are like people give them movies to watch people talk about stories about going to their own monkey toes is in there talking about stuff nosy Mrs. Rat Bella Donna got a whole bunch of like rural me got a whole bunch of like rural me fights talking about the joy that is you know, state county and local fairs

Jessamyn: nice yeah. It's just a very life affirming Scott one tag fair.

Unknown: My add another tag fares. Use your

Unknown: county fair

Unknown: street fair.

Unknown: Anything else from you know, I

Cortex: think that is it. I did not sell it for music. So I don't have anything that pops out there at the moment. But hey, go listen to music. It's good. I've been

Jessamyn: in fanfare I've watched a couple. I don't know if I had done this by last podcast. I don't think so. Like I've watched a couple like late blockbuster movies. Like I watched the Avengers movie and I saw Deadpool two. And it just finished watching. I don't know something just like home until it's been really fun to like, go into like, 405 hundred comment fanfare threads just to kind of see what other people have, like, thought about the thing that I you know, just watched and actually maybe don't entirely know what to think about it, you know. So I very much enjoyed that. And hopefully I can do the same with black Klansmen. Mostly, I'm just reading along with

Unknown: elementary at the at the moment.

Cortex: Right? I should go look up books.

Cortex: I just, I just read the first book of the expanse series, which I've been watching the TV show and enjoying it.

Jessamyn: I remember you told me about the experience here. Yeah, the books good.

Cortex: I really enjoyed the first one. So I assume the rest will also be good. Not only read them. But it's interesting because like, you can really, really see

Cortex: how how the book got to the TV show there. They definitely did a pretty good job of like, keeping the plot more or less there, which is not surprising.

Unknown: Is your computer currently rocking?

Jessamyn: It was my phone telling me I had a phone call from Palo Alto, which is impossible. So I am telling it not to. It's a good policy. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm not like all those people who answers my phone for the most part. But you know, it just rings and I got the same robot trying to talk to me all

Cortex: the dumb bullshit calls. And I get very few actual calls. It's a little bit tricky. But most of people like an actual calls for our in my phone is contacts. It's not a it's not a problem. If it's just like, I'm literally not gonna answer it, buddy. Sorry. Yes. It's something like when you you when you with today, he puts down as a reference, like, you know, for a couple weeks ago. pick a random number. Sure. But otherwise, I have a reason. Oh, it's fucking sad. What happened? Did you give me a bad reference ticket have no, I never heard from him. I was disappointed. Like I when when PB went to work for Oregon State A while back, you know, he was like, Hey, I put down references. Okay, cool. And so, and that was exactly one of those. I don't know this number. But PB mentioned things while into my phone. And it turned out right guy at OSU

Jessamyn: leave messages anyhow, you know, yeah. Yeah,

Unknown: it probably would have been fine.

Cortex: But, you know, it was, it was fun to take that call. Because basically, I gotta say, like, Yeah, no, he's, he's really fantastic. And you would be an absolute fool not to hire him. Right? Don't be a dummy. Yeah, the guy and you know, guys asking like, reasonable sort of, like, Well, okay, now why did they leave the company? Well, he worked her 10 years and like, he did a lot of work and he was ready for a change. So, you know, it's like, well, would you hire him back as like, Well, yeah, but like, you know, you know, he's,

Unknown: he wants a different job

Cortex: doesn't you know, it was just it was it was interesting to be in a position to be able to like be genuinely and straightforward, least super enthusiastic and like, like, seriously, listen to me, I am the person who called right doing the right thing by hiring this person, you know, so I was hoping to be able to like lay that on someone else for you as well but

Jessamyn: I've been doing a little consulting for glitch they're gonna hire a community health engineer and I've been helping them sort of craft that job thing and I may be helping them with some other stuff to was interesting, because I think I told you I pinged Danielle right. When I found out I got fired, it's almost like, I get help and was like, I don't know what happened here. Do you know this guy? Maybe you can give me some advice. He's like, Nah, I don't. I'll ask around. Do you need some work? Because I could really use some help with like, Oh, great. Well, that was easy. And it took a while to sort of get it together. But like, yeah, it's been, it's been fun. They're, they're fun place to interact with. Everybody is really happy to work there. Yeah, yeah,

Jessamyn: that's awesome. Spend some time with good sometime. I just never know, I don't have a project for it. And so it's been a little challenging for me. And I think it's just kind of, like, one level too hard for me, which is probably a level I can surmount, I just need to really be, you know, to sweaty and a whole bunch of other things, because I am really interested in the project. And as a company, they're really trying to do some pretty interesting things. They want to be a cool platform that kids can use, they want to really keep the Nazis and like, you know, just general shit heads out from the get go on, like, a policy level. And it's interesting watching them, you know, figure out and try to do that. So, it's, it was really fun talking to them about that kind of

Unknown: stuff. Yeah, nice.

Unknown: Um, yeah, I think I think I've I've I've invented the tank I think the podcast let's

Jessamyn: do you wanna do you want to hold a little space for music minute post hoc or

Unknown: not even see, you know, if it's

Cortex: not and I'll just come at it with energy next month. That sounds good, fully functioning brain and

Unknown: take a nap. Maybe I'll nap that's what it

Jessamyn: sounds like. A great that's what Jim's doing right now. I just got a whole mess. A little text. Like I'm going to

Unknown: get a head start on me. Damn it.

Unknown: Well, I mean, it is east coast. So true.

Unknown: Late. Yeah.

Cortex: I guess I'm still jet like to. That's probably not helping anything. Oh, of course you are. Anyway. Yes. Let's let's uh. Let's say it's a podcast. We Park cast it.

Jessamyn: I think it's podcast. You as it always is. And I look forward to seeing this. Okey dokey. listening to it in my automobile and maybe being able to hear both of our voices. Yeah.

Cortex: Oh, I'll give myself a little goose will give myself an extra little. Oh, I've got a cold

Cortex: cold goose I'd say. Goodbye everybody.