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A transcript for Episode 142: The World Didn't End (2018-07-06.)

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Unknown: Hey, hey. Yeah,

Cortex: sure. I guess we could like do a thing. Hey, welcome to Episode 142 of Best of the web them and filter monthly Podcast. I am Josh Milan aka cortex, and I'm

Cortex: Jessamine. And we're gonna talk about meta field to step It's July 3, you know I've been thinking about maybe going by Josh cortex in the Lord a little bit I mean you mean like Hi I'm Josh cortex Milan But more generally like I could do that in the the the the podcast intro would be one nice streamlining maneuver of it but like just more generally like just sort of I hate to use the phrase personal branding but that idea of like you know

Unknown: I was the same thing

Cortex: yeah I mean I was cortex on the internet for a good long while like for much of the 2000s I really like I'm a cortex and then

Cortex: I think sometime in the early 2010 I started thinking you know but it's kind of weird if I just hook me myself up to this one website that I happen to like spend a lot of time on and work

Jessamyn: well and your stuff is its own stuff like yeah taking your art and that kind of stuff. Yeah

Cortex: and so I sort of like push towards using Josh Maillard everywhere else and not really using cortex because it became this thing where I'd be like but also I'm on middle filtering there we go by cortex because we use usernames

Jessamyn: other Are you on any other like social sites I mean obviously you're melodic j on trivia

Cortex: yeah you know Instagram and Twitter and mastodon and a handful of other things flicker I Jesus h Shatner because that was what was funny 2004 when I signed up but like I'm looking mostly just Josh Miller they were like you know one word or two words depending on the username format there yeah

Cortex: but lately like you know it turns out that thing yeah but do I really want to kick myself so much to to meta filter was a very 2008 thought to have because

Unknown: your site

Cortex: is my life at this point so like you know, maybe maybe I merged the two again maybe maybe it starts being like Josh quote cortex close quote Milan as a as a handle for a lot of stuff I

Unknown: like to sort of thinking about it so

Unknown: now it's out in the world

Unknown: good Thumbs up for me yeah

Cortex: all right i'll give I'll give it some further thought maybe next podcast that'll be intro yeah maybe we'll just see I'm gonna forget about this by next month is what's gonna actually happen

Cortex: but that's all right anyway it's Episode 242 42

Jessamyn: one thing tell me I mean cuz we're just up in the boring numbers right yeah it's like it's a non

Jessamyn: nothing no word anybody's ever heard of you know sonnet one for to bus hundred and 42 is the number of the bus that Chris McCandless lived in the into the wild guy, he's his death, but

Unknown: just FYI, it's trivial. It's not gonna be light and

Cortex: happy. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes we're gonna get real sometimes trivia is gonna tell you something you didn't know. You didn't know about yourself. That's that's the nature of trivia trivia

Jessamyn: minute because I don't really talk to you about trivia that much. But yeah, very exciting having you in the league Yeah, you're involved you know

Jessamyn: there was a big fight in the forums there

Cortex: I don't even remember what it was about. It was about that it was about the the so learned League has a nice little like clown ball. Turns out is the name of that logo. The learned league level is just a circle

Cortex: almost like maybe you could see it as like a gesture cap rating out radiating out from the middle of the sphere. So maybe that's why it's a clown ball I don't know I learned these things in the process of reading the thread you're mentioning because Thorson the the guy who runs the league had changed the ball one day to pride ball, just like a rainbow colored ball to celebrate Pride Month, which was

Unknown: done before. Yeah.

Cortex: And it's very nice thing. Hey, that's great. That much people I think basically felt good about it. And then one guy,

Unknown: he felt not so good about it. Like, hey, that's cool. Yeah,

Unknown: it was such a little thread like, hey, it that's all right, right?

Cortex: I think I think he started as I think this, oh, Wonder day. You'd be like, Oh, hey, what's the deal with the logo? And some of those questions where someone could be asking, oh, hey, I have a question. I think that what they're really saying is like someone please respond to me and tell me exactly the one thing that will make me not say that you're a bunch of jerks, for daring to shove your gayness in my face was the vibe that came out very quickly after that first, sort of, structurally Oh, well, I was just curious about this logo situation sort of thing. And people like,

Jessamyn: Oh, it's about five months. Just a question. Yeah. Yeah. So

Cortex: it can read neutral at first. And a bunch of people basically took it as neutral cuz they weren't expecting to someone come be a had in the forums there. And so it's got like, 10 or 15 people saying, not

Jessamyn: that arguing. Yeah,

Cortex: it's very weird that there was like, an eight page thread on the forums. Like, that's nuts for learned league. It seems like yes.

Jessamyn: Um, but it was funny to see you in there. Because that's usually like, what I think of is like, my, you know, for me place that I am in, and then you were like, Oh, hey, like, Yeah,

Cortex: well, I got there late. So, like, the whole thing that already played out, the guy had gone from like, I'm just asking a question to be like, well, I don't know gay people in

Cortex: their lifestyle. Some people don't approve of that sort of thing. and blah, blah, blah. Just sort of went downhill the day you think it would

Unknown: exactly the way you expected.

Cortex: But basically, that one guy being a and a bunch of other people just not having it, which was really nice,

Jessamyn: right on to people just being a supportive, be super into it. And then the guy in charge basically was like, yeah, this conversation is over. Yeah, kind of, I mean, in a friendly way, but like, closed the thread up, which, yeah,

Cortex: filter Yeah, band, the guy and then close the thread later

Unknown: after

Unknown: I told

Unknown: off and or die. I don't remember. But

Cortex: it wasn't just that he has appalling beliefs. But he also Yes. And you know, it's kind of a funny it's a weird little bit of like, moderation politics, I guess there that, you know, I have like, not in a forced and what were you doing way but like in just like, I'm looking at this and thinking about how I've grown to deal with this stuff over the years of dealing with stuff on medical care

Cortex: is like it's, it's it is a little bit disappointing that basically, the guy got banned for telling someone to go themselves, as opposed

Jessamyn: to getting banned for being a. Yeah, yeah,

Unknown: exactly. But I also ad about it. Exactly. You know, and like it, like,

Cortex: if I want to get in the shoes of the head, you know, that's just this is not an okay, way to be, you're gone, you know, but that's me, relating to how I think about medical to the very different and generally busier conversationally crowd by by an order of magnitude easily. So it is different. It's not like, Well, that doesn't matter it, you know, I think, forced into the right thing and did it in regional timing and everything I did well, but it's interesting to just sort of had had that reaction to be like we have, but what if, what if we frame this differently and more assertively to say, Hey, you know, this is just actually not okay. Like, you know, even if you're being notionally polite about it, it's still not as. So it was, it was just really interesting to see all of that sort of come together into this random thread on like, that I assumed was just the ongoing years long. Oh, hey, there's another logo change. Let's talk about a thing because, like, That must be why the latest comment is on page eight is because pages one through seven were discussions of

Cortex: Valentine's Day. Yeah. So that was crazy. I was and, and, and like, nothing to do with, like, learn

Cortex: this thing we're talking about. But

Jessamyn: no, but that's our Learn like five minutes. Because I know there's a lot of meta filter people who are on it. And they might find that interesting. And to others that aren't whatever, if you want to get on learned. leak, drop us a note. Yeah, it's fun. You might get promoted this Oh, yeah. Yeah. from D to C, and

Jessamyn: D, which is good news for testaments brain, which I think it's doing better than I feel like it's doing sometimes. So

Unknown: that's excellent.

Unknown: So meta meta filter. Yeah.

Cortex: Meta filter. It's been it's been a real quiet month. Yeah, like,

Cortex: I guess, let's talk about like, meta talk stuff up front. Because, yeah, obviously,

Jessamyn: it's all that money stuff. Oh, god, I'm so sorry. Yeah, you know, employing my I don't work their privilege to

Unknown: employ the out of it. Like, well, and, you know, it's the thing

Unknown: congratulations are in order. Yeah,

Cortex: no, it's i'm i'm so I'm so happy and relieved and in

Cortex: emotionally complicated, but like, almost entirely good way place right now, which is so much better than this time, a month ago, when this was sort of like a brewing thing that we hadn't, like, put it out there quite yet. And then

Jessamyn: you were kind of nervous about it, because Matt's always handled that stuff incredibly poorly. And so you know, well, and yeah,

Cortex: the what the way stuff went around the first time back, like, when it finally came out, in 2014, I talked a little bit about this conversation and a couple of the threads, but like, that was, that was a really frustrating experience for everybody. I mean, you know, like, for the community, but also for the staff and the way things went down, kind of sucked. And but that's, you know,

Unknown: at this point that it's like

Jessamyn: a lot of weird grassy, Ill feeling, which I think was not definitely not there as much this time around. Yeah,

Cortex: but anyway, coming out of that, that's like, you know, that's obviously there's, there's, like, some history there, but

Cortex: that definitely informed kind of like the idea of like, okay, we have had a financial year so far, I've met a filter, and I put out a big post on June 13, saying, Hey, here's what's going on. We're running at a big deficits. And, you know, we, we need some help with this. And let's, you know, talk about state of the site stuff too. Well, you included actual numbers, which has really been missing from every conversation about meta filter money since 1999. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: And it seems like it seems like the way to go. And I felt, you know, it's a little bit nerve wracking, honestly. But

Cortex: it felt like the right way to go. And I think people really appreciate it and

Jessamyn: have to be able to then put up a new boundary, right, like, your boundary was, we don't talk about the numbers, then if the boundaries like, well, we're gonna talk about some, but we're actually not gonna talk about others, no matter how much you want to. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: And I think we're in a pretty good place of being more transparent than we ever happened now, and feel good about that. And I kind of want to just sort of carry that forward. But yeah,

Cortex: so we, I put up that post and we talked a bunch about it, and people were just really kind of amazing, is,

Cortex: it's it so weird. It's weird, because, like, and I, I've tried to get it this a couple times in comments. And, and, and follow up stuff. But I mean, to short circuit this, like, the, the spoiler alert is that people really, really, really came through, you know,

Cortex: we we said, like, middle of June that we were $1,000 a month short, and that the savings were getting

Cortex: uncomfortably small as a result and then a few months we were just going to be in trouble and I expected people to come up with a few thousand dollars a month like no matter what like I checked I just

Unknown: I knew was out there

Jessamyn: have grown ups is really nice like that. Because many people have jobs and careers and spare money so that people who maybe don't, it balances a little more towards the jobs and careers angle and lets the Hey, I'm 19 and I'm still in college and really have extra money after my breweries to job, which is also fine. But yeah, the balance is important. Yeah,

Cortex: that led to the fact that the fact that there is this total heterogeneity to like the makeup of who's on the filter, and like a big enough group of people, you're going to have people in all sorts of positions there. Yeah, like people who are feeling really comfortable financially going to people who are not, and it's really, it's really important to me that no filter has all those people they're like, and that's one of the things we've talked about is

Cortex: like, I'm throwing things all random order here. But like, there's just so much to talk about. And I don't want to talk about it for two hours. But, but people really, really, really, really showed up like, within like, three days,

Cortex: two days, I think we had like an extra 3000 a month already, which was kind of what I was hoping optimistically we might get to, because that would just like, give us more runway to figure out everything else about nine months to figure things out. But we were there in like, two days. And then like, by two weeks later, it's like, up to just about $10,000 a month of new recurring. And that's on top of the 7500 or so people had already been getting as of like, this time last month, and that's just, it's insane. That's almost half of our budget. It's a ton, it's sustainable part of your budget. So whatever the happens in the world of advertising. Yeah, I mean, people's individual circumstances gonna change over time. And, you know, someone

Cortex: who is giving, you know, 20 bucks a month right now might need to cut down to 10, or someone might just need to stop for a while, because I've been some financial issues and all that is like normal. And that's super duper fine. Like everybody is, you know, this is a collective effort, and it doesn't come down to any particular person breaking their back to, to keep the site up. But like, you're not going to have a third of meta filter all of a sudden say, oh, shoot, you know, what I need to do is get rid of my pay pal right now, right? I mean, barring. Yeah,

Unknown: well, yeah,

Unknown: a little. Yeah. Did I read that correctly? Yeah,

Cortex: no, it's like, you know, if we need to cut things down, like, I can start there. I pay myself a little bit more because I have all the, you know, business ownership and running responsibilities, but it also means that a little bit headroom and I would have a huge expenses looming right now. So it's like,

Jessamyn: right, no, I think I think that's admirable way to go.

Cortex: But I am I'm also relieved that it looks like that doesn't need to be a long term thing. So that's, that's great. But yeah,

Cortex: no, we're in we're in good shape. And that is such a huge relief. And I am so

Cortex: hugely grateful about it. It's, it's kind of hard to convey. But yeah, so it's late. It's been tremendous. It's been really, it's been really reassuring. It's been people who've been hugely supportive. And yeah,

Cortex: I'm gonna just commit go in circles on that. Try not to get for clip. But, uh, ya know, it's been, it's been fantastic. And one of the nice things about it is it's been really energizing in a

Cortex: mean, partly a cathartic way, you know, I knew things were rough financially, and then the team new stuff was financially and then the site new stuff was financially and like we talked about before, I tried to keep that on a pretty constrained timeline. But still, it was growing things where you just kind of sit on it, worrying about it until

Jessamyn: my last two years of meta filter were Yeah, you know, Matt, basically every three months saying he was maybe going to have to close the site down in three months, because money, but then he figured it out. But then, yeah, nothing else happened. And he just wouldn't share it with the community, which meant we all had to kind of eat it, which was very stressful and bad. Yeah, yeah, I understand kind of why that happened. But it doesn't mean it wasn't terrible. Yeah. Like, I guess he wasn't clear with us. Yeah, in retrospect, it's, it's, it's,

Cortex: it's clear in retrospect, how much of a problem that was, but you know, right. Yeah. So anyway, it's, it feels good to move quick on, it feels good to have just sort of like been more transparent about all the details and let people know exactly how the site works, and why this is the money that we're spending and,

Jessamyn: and I think it makes people feel better about something they are giving money to, which I think was a confidence they didn't always have in the past, not that they didn't trust you. But it's kind of nice. They don't have to, if that makes sense. Yeah, you know,

Unknown: I mean, I mean, the

Jessamyn: story because I've known you forever, but somebody who maybe doesn't know you so well is like, we're giving this guy how much to do what and that those were

Unknown: the things I've seen, like the sort of

Jessamyn: service for God's sakes, like, it's so crazy people give you any money at all. And yeah, I totally understand it. Yeah,

Cortex: well, and like there's, there's, there's definitely something to be said, just for the accumulation of goodwill, which is something that I've got a half written essay, I'll get back to at some point that I started writing, it started off as a really good angry, sad when it was like about like, a day before we made the post up and I was really just, like, consumed by all of my feelings about stuff, and estate of the ad market. And, you know, he started outlining this thing. And then we made the post and then everybody was incredibly supportive immediately. It was like, not as angry,

Unknown: I got come back to this thing later. But like, you know,

Cortex: it's funny, like, I've heard, you know, not people saying this to me, necessarily, but like, seeing people who, like, I know, and I like in a respect, I think they're good people who do good stuff on the internet. Nonetheless, you know, I see chatter on the web sometimes from, you know, people when the news broke day, like, what the heck are they spend that money on? It's like, well, but it's the site, you know, we're spending it on on having the site like, it's weird how there's this disconnect, like, oh, meta filters, great meta filters. Oh, it's such a, it's such a great example of what the web competing also why why would you spend is like, well, the two are very directly related

Jessamyn: people with jobs running the place who have health insurance. Yeah, committed to that job as their job. super important. Yeah. Which if I can tangent you only because I think we're not gonna, if I don't step in here,

Jessamyn: as happy as I am for you, that I may have a tiny job, which I'm doing some product health stuff, forget hub, which I'm only mentioning because the onboarding has been the absolute most ridiculous last six hours of my life. I mentioned this to you, because I included you for a reference because why the hell not. But like, you know, jobs are like, you fill out all your paperwork on the internet now, and I have to do my I nine stuff which has to happen in front of a person, which means you have to go to a place and it's not just like, go find a notary, like it was for you know, redoing my will. It's like, go to one of these approved surface centers, and you have to make an appointment online. And if I was still in Vermont, like I'm in Massachusetts for the summer. But if I was in Vermont, I would have literally had to drive 70 miles to go to New Hampshire

Jessamyn: to have somebody look at my passport and fill in a piece of paper just so I can work like 10 hours a week for GitHub. It is the craziest thing I've ever seen. And, you know, the good news is, you can basically write whatever you want in a box when you fill out a form on the internet. So, you know, I sent you a link to like, the various ways I have been signing things, I swear loyalty to companies, I've never heard I had to say that I'd read documents I'd never read. I mean, the guy I'm going to be working for GitHub is lovely. And he's like, I am so sorry about all this. I'm like, I have to tell you. I have a sense of humor, so it's fine.

Jessamyn: But it's also nice that I don't absolutely need this job. Because this so dehumanizing. Yeah, so, you know, I get emails that are, like, just barely in English. And I don't even think they're not in English, because I'm dealing with outsourced labor. I think they're not in English, because the person writing them does not give a, you know, and

Jessamyn: whatever. But I just, I feel so bad for people for whom this is really what they have to do in order to just, you know, work in the world tech nowadays. Yeah, because everyone's like GitHub. They're so cool. And don't get me wrong. They are and I think they are even though Microsoft bought them. Yeah,

Cortex: it's gonna say, we're discussing your your, your new small gig at Microsoft own GitHub,

Cortex: veal IP, via Microsoft owns Skype.

Unknown: So it's, it's a good thing I'm on a Mac otherwise would

Jessamyn: feel like until I have done my first 30 minutes of work. I do worry a little bit that they will fire.

Unknown: But

Cortex: it seems like it's firmer now than it was a few days ago. In that sense that

Unknown: we're not saying a major company.

Jessamyn: Like it's just so weird. I can't even use my own laptop. Like, it's just very strange. But yeah. Now that I've completed all the onboarding, assuming that the guy in Fall River doesn't see anything amiss with my passport, I think it's a done deal. Well,

Unknown: good. Well, it'll be cool,

Unknown: man. Thanks for giving a reference if they require one. I haven't

Cortex: heard from anybody. So

Cortex: yeah, I think they just, they just google me say, Oh, yeah, he's good. And then left at that. That's all my websites. This guy's definitely. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh,

Unknown: I'm sure cortexes

Unknown: let's talk about let's talk about jobs there's a

Cortex: job sub site it's a

Jessamyn: job that looked amazing um. Employee looks for that they're looking for a distinctive collections coordinator meaning basically someone who's gonna be in this sort of digital engagement distinctive collections thing overseas digitization lab and student workers and doing complicated digitizing stuff it looks super cool i Villanova in Pennsylvania that is excellent

Cortex: Yeah, left it on. on a much smaller scale. yester is looking for someone to do some color separation of artwork for some screen printing they're planning to do so that's your bag and go get yourself 100 bucks

Unknown: for that yet.

Cortex: What do you mean, I still love my job, you know? Well, that that's that's one of many things we will probably revisit in the coming months. As we revisit things. I'll get back on a big old chain about that at some point. But let's do some you're

Jessamyn: trying to phase out the classic version of meta filter. And I'm just telling you right now,

Cortex: there's also a natural history museum, senior web dev

Unknown: thing. We can talk about this, we can talk about this a little bit, because I'm not actually

Cortex: I mean, here, here's here's what's important to me about the classic theme is that it is useful and functional for lot of people. And that is an important enough reason to keep it around unless it's strictly necessary not to. So I'm not really talking about phasing it out on the other hand, I can I know there's a bunch of people on the back end Well, yeah, I mean, here's, here's the question is, like, people don't care about the classic theme. Because of the code base, they care about the classic thing because all the look and feel and operation stuff that it presents. So like it's possible, what we could end up doing is basically supplying a real close match to the classic theme as just a different cosmetic look of the modern thing. And if, if I was able to just like do that, like, if I could snap my fingers and make that just exactly how the site works under the hood, it would in fact, be done already. In practice, it's probably more complicated than that. But it's something we really haven't taken the time to look at other priorities. Yeah. And so, you know, we've space basically spent the last four years maintaining both themes in parallel. And I think it's basically kind of stopping look and see, can we can we synthesize a more you know, if nothing else, we might be able to make the classic theme and the modern theme play off the same files more consistently. So that the difference is really are more minimal, you know, something like that would actually save some headaches and avoid the thing where like, because this just came up, right? And meta talk, you made a very good observation that somebody

Jessamyn: waning given who I've been working with just on the GitHub archive of script was like, hey, I've been like mailing the box to ask about getting the sidebar thing, but maybe you have more traction with them to get the GitHub scripting linked in the sidebar. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I guess that I thought that's already there. I'll drop a note and it was already there, but only on the classic thing,

Cortex: there's different source files for the sidebars and meta talk and he was like, well, that's what if that's something that we can fix, you know, what were things like that can become more you know, even if we don't get as far as actually literally making the classic theme, a sub theme of the modern theme, you know, we can probably fix some things up and also look at where we can sort of sync the two up more in terms of what's on menus. The classic mobile theme is like part of the big headache because it really is a third theme it's not just the classic theme it's a separate code base you know that

Cortex: right does the end it's a pain the and it has suffered because it was never designed meta filter was never designed with responsive design or mobile view in mind. Because metaphor was 9999, you weren't reading your you know, you weren't interacting on the web on a significant way on your phone. If you had a phone that could like do web stuff at all, which you know they existed. But it was like such a I remember in college people doing development for I couldn't remember the acronyms of the now dead web protocols of us. Oh, yeah. No,

Jessamyn: I remember like early blogger people, some of them, like the guy who I think did bump calm, like was an early phone web developer. And I remember him showing me some of the stuff that he worked on on a flip phone. Yeah.

Unknown: And people weren't doing it. But yeah,

Cortex: it was it was very much like a thing you did, because you could not a thing you did, because there was any kind of market really

Cortex: like, certainly not a casual web browsing consumer market, like, you know, you kind of had to be into development for mobile on the cutting edge or using it for maybe some sort of interest in the application where it was worth it.

Cortex: Versus today, we're like, Yeah, no, half of our traffic is probably, you know, on

Unknown: phones. Yeah. Yeah.

Cortex: Which is that that that's one of the ugly revenue trends for everybody is that there's not as much screen space on a mobile phone as there is on a desktop, which means there's not as much space to get ads on there without completely obliterating your user experience, which means mobile ad revenues, just not as good. So the trend towards mobile is kind of bad for ad revenue, just by default for everybody.

Unknown: And in order to turn that around, you need to have an I guess, like,

Cortex: that's not that's not really turning it around so much is just like tacking hard in a different direction. Like you could get away from the the ad space on mobile thing, by having an app that generates money by different means, like you can have it deliver ads directly inside or you could make it a paid app, or, you know, there's several things you can do. But that doesn't change the problem that small screens don't accommodate it, got it? Got it, you know,

Cortex: so it's kind of like yeah, parallel tracks

Cortex: anyway. So what it all comes down to is classic wasn't designed with mobile in mind at all because mobile basically didn't exist. And then when mobile started to exist, Matt built up classic mobile theme as sort of like a weird little hacky job, you know, patching some mobile assumptions into it. And then Time went by and meta

Jessamyn: filter that Matt enjoyed, I feel like tweaking with the code base to make it into a thing that was kind of sweet was actually something he was not only good at, but enjoy it. Yeah, and

Cortex: I think he, NPV got a lot of like, Cool stuff done because of that sort of positive, oh, hey, let's add this energy. Like, there's a lot of stuff on medical to that I like that has specifically that kind of history to it. But it also doing mobile sort of by hand in the late 2000s was

Jessamyn: very happy and stuff like, you know, clicking on an exclamation point on mobile with a nightmare. And the fact that doesn't have like, a button or something again, it's just Yeah, and

Cortex: it's something that's going along. Yeah.

Cortex: So this is turning into a very long division to basically because I'm not trying, I'm not trying to kill classic. I'm trying to figure out how we can make metaphysical work for people who like classic and maybe make classic work better for them, and etc. Response it'll be a whole thing. You know,

Jessamyn: this isn't an argument. Yeah.

Unknown: Oh, man.

Jessamyn: It's just a discussion. Yeah, it's, I can't even chime in on that meta talk. Because I am so lateral to that conversation. Like,

Jessamyn: no, no arguments, no. No fighting, baiting. And yet, you know, I'm aware other people are more right than me in Yeah.

Cortex: Well, and it's kind of like, so we're talking about this is this meta talk about I just put it yesterday from bio geo and it that had actually sat for, I don't know, probably a week, maybe a little bit more, because

Unknown: no, I remember. Yeah, we

Unknown: had had a whole

Cortex: i. So one of the things I was saying earlier is aside from like, the Oh, no. Oh, things are OK, catharsis, feeling good about stuff. There's also been a lot of sort of energy as a result of conversations have come out of this. And most, most, most of those conversations been positive, some of them have been a bit more fraught, we had a very good post from psychiatric about, like, Hey, here's some things that might help with community engagement, which just kind of had the bad luck of being right in the storm of feelings from that sort of like crisis and catharsis and, you know, people can almost like, get more about stuff, like, when maybe things are okay, and the immediate crisis pass, because then there's a little bit more permission, I feel like to

Jessamyn: well, because let me tell you something pent up and for some people, the only way to to defuse that is Yeah. And that might be more negative than the Yeah.

Cortex: And I don't mean this dismissively at all. But I think there's a tendency like it almost, it's almost inevitable, like, you know, there, it's a big emotional thing, there's almost always going to be a difficult conversation where big energy comes out,

Unknown: of course, so

Cortex: you know, and that was, that was a, that was a, that was kind of like the fraud thread. And then out of that, partly, I think, by Oh, God, post about, hey, well, let's talk about how we argue versus fight

Jessamyn: that it was a really, it still is actually like, a really constructive thread. Yeah, bring a lot of their own feelings about arguing and fighting, which can be complicated, because they may not necessarily have to do with med filter like me, right? Like, I have very strong feelings about arguing and fighting that are so much bigger than meta filter, they probably don't belong on that thread, you know, they can't be constructively applied to that conversation. Yeah, even though I probably have some other opinions about whatever like moderating and how things go wrong, that might be useful. And so I've been thinking if there's a way to talk about those things without being like, and here's how I feel about arguing. Yeah, yeah,

Cortex: well, it's been like, like you said, it's been really good, I've been really happy with it, they appreciate the patients getting it out there, just because like, this is going to need some attention. Like we had to pay stuff out, because it's been such a busy few weeks. But yeah, it's been really good. And it's been nice. And it's been like, that's really heartening to see people able to sort like move past the emotions of the crisis in the catharsis and for like, take a breath. And then like a week or two later, sit down, say, Okay, let's talk analytically about these things. And what I want for medical term what I don't want from meta filter, you know, what works for me, when other people do it, what creates problems for me, etc, you know, everybody's sort of bringing their own in there. And when they're bringing in sort of like that, Oh, look, this is the family dynamic I grew up with. And that's why this is a no go for me, they're saying that, you know, they're communicating that like, carefully and clearly. And it's great, because, like, yeah, that context does exist, it may not be something that you know, is about meta filter, but, you know, everybody who's on metal filter has their own background in their own life and their own context. And being able to be aware of that, when you're talking about how you react to stuff and being able to sort of put that into an explanation of why this or that assumption doesn't work for you. That's all really good stuff. So

Cortex: that's been really nice. I've appreciated that so far. And there's just been a bunch of activity and meta talking people in talking about like, hey, with a fun thing. We could do people kicking off meetups, people brainstorming about this or that, like, you know, fun site thing, bringing back some old ideas that had been, you know, lingering in the background like, Oh, hey, what if we talk about cookbook stuff again, you know, what, if we talk about perks? What if we talk about, you know, this or that,

Cortex: and that's been really great. That's been nice. And we've been doing a lot of, you know, background work mod side, you know, just sort of like prioritizing and organizing stuff that we want to work on. So we're getting the free form flag

Cortex: text field thing rolled out

Unknown: Yeah, pretty good. Are you gonna get rid of the other you can leave other in there, I think

Cortex: long term will probably get rid of other and probably rework the reasons in general, I think, basically will roll this one out, as is probably a week just get it out and like really properly live, test it and then I've got a whole checklist of stuff to look at about sort of, Okay, now how can we update and tweak flags of it make it easier to click on flags, make the reasons little bit more short and concise, etc, etc, etc. So that'll be nice. That'd be a fun next step. Yeah,

Cortex: filter I guess I guess. Oh, yeah. I'm sure you want to talk about projects a little bit there's been some projects where I put my project I will kick it off with this excellent new Tumblr from is called jazz hands, which is just nothing but screenshots of

Cortex: hands and fingers in anime. It's just like I was

Jessamyn: looking for jazz hands. But this is not where my jazz hands

Cortex: Yeah, there's no actual jazz hands. Well, I don't know that there's no jazz hands but it's not most of its Yes. But yeah,

Cortex: it's just like this. I love that sort of like, just like just because like, that's a classic, sort of obsessive little Tumblr blog thing. And you know, I used to do some things like that night not so much these days. But I like it when people do so

Cortex: I've enjoyed that a great deal. Yeah,

Jessamyn: I guess single single single issue tumblers are fun I really enjoyed I was a little confused because I was like wait a second this is a meta filter post Oh no. It's also a project

Jessamyn: filter user ladies created a thing called hip hop radio archives which is not only sharing like hip hop radio shows of the 80s and 90s which is really besides like tape swapping and like live performance where a lot of people learned about like what was going on in hip hop but also kind of contextualize like what was going on sort of at the same time and you know what else was was happening then it's it's a really great thing ladies is storing the files that the Internet Archive which is great which means they'll be around and then it got posted to filter by Nicholas Kaylee um I do not know how to pronounce that username at all um. But and it was a was a kind of a short but well well liked thread I just think it's a really great who pulled out some you know things you might like you know Dr. Dre and sir mix a lot with its capital rap show Jessie J and Africa and bam bata blah blah blah blah blah so it's just very cool and if you're somebody who likes hip hop even a little you will like this a lot

Cortex: yeah no it's it's it's a really tremendous piece of work

Unknown: oh right this one yes the practical cabinet this from this whole

Unknown: video it's it's so good

Unknown: well it's funny cuz like except

Jessamyn: for what it is but I my patients for videos short

Cortex: yeah I've watched this whole thing that's great yeah it's a custom clockwork cabinet built to like very slowly produce a key rack so like night Craig shopping

Jessamyn: Yeah Now this may be just to your personas United States thing but like this work key cabinet mean anything not to me know. Okay. Me neither. So I I just didn't know if that was me. Yeah, just maybe a regional difference. But uh. But yeah,

Cortex: that's it's wonderful. It's just a delightful piece of craft work that happens to do a thing and an impractical way does a

Jessamyn: whole bunch of other wacky things by twirly pen and and

Cortex: the video the video we should we should note is like two minutes of detail shots of the various mechanics of this thing working but it actually like takes like eight seconds to get your case it's not crazy it's not every two minutes actually get your keys it's just too long to be

Jessamyn: all the little parts doing doing all their little things yeah no I thought this was so good and just the kind of sort of mercury meta filter thing that I

Unknown: love It's really wonderful

Cortex: yeah I think those were my two main projects I don't know if you have other ones I also am excited about in a haven't gotten around to reading through it yet way about Egypt turn ashes

Cortex: How is a Egypt turn ash and I think it's Egypt earn ash, but like it just flows anyway. Egypt,

Jessamyn: Egypt, turnip. But you said yeah, but yeah,

Cortex: that's exactly what it is. No, they open up to 10 comes to him with there's nothing in there. Except for a charred radish or something. Yeah, I realized the radishes and the turnip but at times, I don't want to say turn up again. Because we don't make

Jessamyn: me have to talk about the legends of the turnips again.

Cortex: Okay. Um, so parallax

Cortex: is this new strip from our strip comic from Egypt or Nash who has posted some very cool comic stuff before on projects and this is the new one and it looks lovely that's got really great art and I read a couple pages is like yes and then I've just had no time but I look forward to getting to it because it looks super rad

Unknown: I had a couple others but yeah

Jessamyn: I mean it was posted to filter by art w Oh excellent. Where it became another kind of short but well

Cortex: let it filter thread yeah and there's a bunch more stuff you know we've talked about products being quiet and projects was less quite this month and that's great so go go go read all the stuff on projects dang

Unknown: dang it

Unknown: Jeez. Jeez gum

Unknown: like an 1890s

Cortex: there was I just saw something on this was probably a metal filter post that I clicked on and then haven't got back to the thread but I think it was a vice article about finally watch the Simpsons for the first time and I didn't like it oh here it is I guess we're talking about metaphors are now so that's perfect just someone who like grew up they missed the heyday of Simpsons and then they were

Cortex: vaguely culturally aware of it but like by the time they sort of really aware of it as a thing to watch everybody had concluded that the good seasons where the early ones they couldn't find those on any streaming services like I just never bothered and then my co workers like you're crazy and so I took some recommendations and I watch 11 episodes and you know there's some stuff I liked about it but also homers awful and also the gender politics of the show. And why are they we non people who are like trying to do good things. And I again Homer is just the worst person ever. And but I like the humor in the fun is kind of

Jessamyn: the protagonist. Yeah. What's that about?

Cortex: So I have not looked into thread. It's possible that thread is a horrifying show. I'm assuming that but

Cortex: it made me think of that the whole Simpsons quoting thing and how more and more quoting the Simpsons is going to be not just like that thing people do on the internet. But that's the quoting The Andy Griffith of like, you know, the next generation What the are all these old people doing? Like,

Jessamyn: what's gonna get so abstract voting is that different? I you know, I'm going out on a limb here. But you know,

Jessamyn: like it was an all dude very of its time in place. Yeah, kind of humor, which hasn't aged well in kind of our inter sectional present in some ways, like, It marks you as a certain kind of person, even though many of those certain kinds of people are very good friends of mine. But it's not just the kind of like, all nerds are going to you agree that this is the height of comedy, and I think it's the same with the Simpsons.

Unknown: But uh, but yes, anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting.

Unknown: And

Cortex: I just say it occurs to me, I was just saying, like, quoting Simpsons is a thing that old people do

Cortex: is maybe going to be a thing but utterly remixes out of any kind of recognition. The Simpsons is definitely larva young people thing. And that's kind of an interesting set of contrast

Jessamyn: is, I mean, is that based on a thing that you've seen? Or is that just a prediction you're making?

Cortex: No, no, no, I like that. That's based in part on my personal obsession with the ongoing steamed hams meme.

Jessamyn: Is this one of those Josh explain things to me moment.

Cortex: Have you have you avoided steamed hands?

Unknown: Okay. Well,

Unknown: when I think it's an

Unknown: expression, I'm really

Jessamyn: unkind things. Dan Savage, you say about? Oh, yeah,

Unknown: no, I

Jessamyn: don't know. No, no, no, we talked about this in the last podcast even and I'd forgotten maybe. Yeah,

Cortex: it's a short skit from a episode of The Simpsons. There was a two minute long subscript in this episode full of skits and it was about Seymour Skinner the principle of the elementary school and Superintendent Superintendent Chalmers who is the superintendent of the Springfield school system, I guess

Cortex: and see more Seymour has Superintendent Chalmers over for brunch and but any Burns's roast or lunch rather and for instance, Rosen goes and gets some Krusty burger is from explaining the plot of this is a bad idea basically it's a short dumb sitcom setup where possible things happen people have remix this thing endlessly in a style like steam Tams except this except

Cortex: that steamed hands except it's all star student hands except you know every time is a steam because 15% faster steamed hands except etc etc etc and this is not a freshman but I love it and I will never stopped loving it

Unknown: and

Unknown: the point is yeah no I'm

Unknown: getting you now the people who are like remix steam hammer

Cortex: probably many of the people re mixing it online as just me material were born after that aired is like there's this generational thing where like it is now archival stuff that you pull out and be weird with same thing with like there was the whole Simpsons vapor wave thing a couple years ago like you know, it's just like people doing real spacey vapor wave music over weird trippy slowed down recovered Miami sunset feeling Simpsons clips just I love that. That is maybe going to be a second life as even as we stand around saying, I can't believe this show. spelling error. Why they bother? It's gotten so bad. Other people like Yeah, but what if we put it through a spaghetti

Cortex: spaghetti grinder? meat grinder, I guess spaghetti excluder? What do you call that thing that you make spaghetti with?

Unknown: Ah, like, put in the pasta dough? And then the outcomes.

Jessamyn: I guess like the Plato, Plato does it. It's like a pumper machine. Yeah,

Cortex: like a non Play Doh Fun Factory

Cortex: with Simpsons. Anyway, I'll stop talking about that. Now. What were you gonna bring up?

Jessamyn: A Oh, you mean metal filter stuff? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. My favorite post. Um, it actually got really confusing. We were talking earlier about like, yeah, I'm not reading 2017 on my checks. Right? But so I saw a Twitter post about this canal that was drained in Amsterdam, right? And put everything they found online. Right? And I was like, this is the most amazing thing I totally have to go to meta filter and tell everybody about it. Except that it's probably there. And in fact, I noticed that you know the one of the things about the website that's so cool is you can remix, right. And so I noticed Not only that, but somebody remix some of the stuff that they found to make something that looks a little bit like a meta filter logo. And then I went to meta filter. I mean, it's clearly supposed to be meta filter logo is adorable. It's wonderful. And so I went to meta filter and I saw the post that my god laundry made, but somehow, I don't know I was hot and sweaty, something. It's been really hot here. I somehow thought it has been posted in January. And so I didn't even scroll to the bottom. I thought the post was already closed. And I was like, Oh, well, missed opportunity. And then I didn't engage with the thread for some reason. And just now I'm happy that it's still there.

Unknown: Yep. If that makes sense.

Unknown: Totally know. And it's like,

Cortex: there's always something very slightly disappointing when, like you, you're like, I'm gonna post this awesome. I got there.

Jessamyn: Well, and somebody's got their months ago. So I can't even be in the conversation, which is what I thought I encountered. But in point of fact, the threats completely still open. Yeah, it was posted a couple days ago. And I just miss read it. Because who knows what my problem is. And so I got to, you know, kind of reengage with it again, after thinking guy could not

Cortex: Yeah, which is great. And Either way, it's, there's, there's something there's also something nice about like thinking, Oh, this be grandmother filtering, like finding out. Oh, someone else thought so too. You know, it's it's sort of gratifying.

Cortex: Cheryl, my buddy, buddy, Jesse and sometime code podcast, or you were on that episode of

Cortex: our old podcast, and he's been on this one. One time

Unknown: I went camping with him. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: He also post he didn't get as far as finding out that it had been posted. And he made a double post and I got to leave a really stupid deletion reason. It was a very happy little moment for me. So it worked out very well.

Cortex: I liked this post from quince,

Cortex: just it total riffing thread. You know, it's just basically a tweet saying every book or play title should be written in the form of are you there? God, it's me, Margaret. And their football. It's me. Charlie Brown. Are you there? Meaning it's me, man. Are you there? Cow. lick me bread. You know, people just like going in there. Luigi, it's me.

Cortex: I saw someone else got their first though. But no,

Unknown: anybody. It's me. Comfortably Numb. It's,

Cortex: it's wonderful. Basically, you know, I love riffing threads. And this was a spot on riffing thread. So

Jessamyn: it makes me miss Brad. That one crazy thread that he was in

Unknown: all the jokes. Oh, yeah. Rip, dude. Yeah.

Cortex: There's also this wonderful thread about just robot clothes. Like, industrial robot clothes. You know? Nearly you've got industrial diamond. See this by Dr. danger. Yeah, yeah,

Cortex: by Dr. danger. And it's just nice. It's a short little thread. That's like a wonderful collection of robot stuff. And it has a link someone threw in there. I think Harold 74. Did I remember that right off hand? Yeah, Harold 77 were posted an old video that I think probably was a medical proposed many years ago about a close folding robot. And they've got this like, sped up video of it. Just folding one cloth after another. And it just has such a What the is going on? Look, every time I picked up a new piece of cloth something, something very anthropomorphic going on with my reading of it, but it's, it's just wonderful. And I love it. So that was nice to

Unknown: go briefly. Watch it. Yes.

Cortex: I'll talk about another thing while you watch that. And then you can start laughing in the middle of a sentence bond Cliff made a crazy roundup post about Weird Al Yankovic current music Tour, which

Jessamyn: is in Canada and probably won't even hear this because he's barely got any Wi Fi, I think.

Cortex: catch up later. Yeah. Anyway, he did a great big round up weird. I was been doing a tour, the self indulgent, ill advised vanity tour where he and his band have been playing like a sit down show that's more acoustic, no costumes, no set changes, just sort of like playing music and thinking of the back catalogue. And it's kind of a cool thing.

Jessamyn: If you're like, he normally does these like shows with screens and a million changes and like all the hits, and yeah, exactly.

Cortex: And this robot thing at all. I'm a minute into it. And I'm just not it's just it's just folding cloth. It's looking at a cloth and rotating it to map out the 3d structure of the thing is holding and then it's grabbing it and adjusting it so that carefully folded that's it. It's impressive that the robot did that just say Good job robot

Unknown: job.

Cortex: You make me be nice to a robot. This is how we get you know this is how we don't get murdered this is this is how we keep the bass Liska Bay we're like hey, it's good that you folded that clock. You're a good robot. I'm proud of you. We want to be supportive. We want to create a welcoming warm environment for the robots feel like wasn't her thing like last month about like, why more of the robots that we talked to don't require you to say thank you. Like,

Jessamyn: why isn't that part of how we're supposed to talk to robots that could have been programmed in and isn't I remember Matt talking about it on Twitter. I don't really know. I'm sorry. Go on with what you were talking about. No. Anyway,

Cortex: among other things on the tour, weird Allen's band have been playing like a different cover song every night. And like straight faced basic like they just doing covers of all sorts of classic and you know, maybe in some cases, more recent song. So like doing a cover psycho killer or blistering sun, Johnny be good, a whole bunch of things, basically a different one every night. So he put together a post linking up all the ones he could find of YouTube footage of these covers, specifically. So if you want to see where it I'll do a whole bunch of like, straight face covers of like, classic songs.

Jessamyn: deep cut covers, kind Yeah,

Cortex: like not, not what not what you would associate like, you know, he's like, the, the song parodies and like, pulpits are so strongly part of his brand. Like, just straight up doing a song for its own sake is kind of unfamiliar. So it's, it's really cool. And I I have a lifelong appreciation for Weird Al

Jessamyn: had the same drummer since 1980. And his name is Bermuda shorts with just

Cortex: you kind of you kind of get the feeling that if he got a drummer today would not be named Bermuda shorts. But But I'm like that's worked out. Yeah,

Cortex: sure. Sure. What. Shorts, shorts. Yeah. For me to like. Like, it's like, it's like Bermuda shorts. But it's actually shorts. Yeah, it's

Unknown: an excellent job. Exactly.

Unknown: I agree. Fine.

Jessamyn: You were saying you wouldn't be named that today because there's something wrong with it. No,

Unknown: no, no, no, no. I'm saying like, I I think

Unknown: No, no, no, I i

Cortex: think i think i think hiring if you're weird. Alan, you're hiring. Hiring a drummer in 1980 that drummer going by Bermuda shorts feels like completely appropriately inevitable. And I feel like if you're Weird Al hiring a drummer in say 2015 Shay, he might find someone who goes by or choose to go by Bermuda shorts buddy else might find somebody goes like, Oh yeah, my name is uh. Todd Weltschmerz. I yeah. I play drums. You know, it's not quite as like the wackiness has been eclipsed somewhat by like the musical legitimacy of weird else career was my thought. I know that's a very long tangent

Unknown: is the world word you saw.

Cortex: I was trying to think of something. And that's apparently came out. I don't remember what Welsh marching down the words. It's like something terrible.

Unknown: It's world pain. Oh,

Cortex: I wish I knew his German. I'm just glad it didn't. Oh, yeah. I was thinking about Are you okay? Yeah.

Cortex: No, I think about earlier. And I think that just most of the got that in my

Unknown: there's something very

Cortex: some very funny

Cortex: Herzog. Oh, Herzog, Waldo? I think it came from the are you there. God. It's me, Margaret thread. I made a wall of joke. And then someone linked to a two minute long jokey interpretation of Verna Hertzog reading Where's Waldo.

Unknown: Oh, God is pretty good. Yeah,

Cortex: love it. What else for meta filter. What else to do? Like,

Jessamyn: wow, I liked from my particular female perspective, this post by Mark Hello EPS, which basically

Jessamyn: it's another it's a vice article. And, you know, people talk a lot about sort of inclusive it and equity and how you get people to, you know, why aren't there more women speaking at more sort of mainstream tech conferences. And so this is just an interesting conversation about like, hey, people who wear skirts, whoever those people are, if you wear a short skirt, which is not super abnormal, because that's what people wear nowadays. And you have to go to a conference where you have to sit in a high chair and purchase your knees on it. And then everybody in the audience is basically staring up your skirt. That's kind of a problem. And it's awkward. And hey, people who are designing conferences, like do better. And it's not like one of those, like, mad at everybody. But it's like, you may not have thought of this because you're not there in a skirt. But it's a real thing. And there's lots of people who wear skirts and you should be working on it. And motherboard slash vice has like a whole design bias section. But then there's like, lots and lots of good chair stories. Nice, you know, both on the link thread on Twitter, and then also in the, in the thread itself. And I of course, because this is the thing that has happened to me, especially because, like, I almost never wear skirts. And like the one time I did, I wound up with one of these like, chairs in kind of on your on a riser, where everybody could stare up your skirt. And the good news is I me, and I was like, Yeah, no, no, like, What do you mean? And I'm like,, no, like, we're doing this, get some furniture. And they did. And it worked out. Okay. But like, not everybody can just, you know, snap their fingers and be like, this is. And so it was nice to have a thread to talk about it in kind of a friendly, funny way. Not like my ad. Everybody sucks. But like, yeah, the thing and like, you know, especially like, if you're somebody who use a wheelchair to get around. And especially if you know, you're at a conference, and people freaking know that the number of stories about people who can't get up to a stage or who have to, you know, who have a podium to deal with, which is totally unnecessary. A lot of times, because people who do especially smaller conferences just don't even have agency or feel like they have agency over a stage or the technology or the microphones. I mean, there's been another thing that's been going around, I mean, maybe it's just library and Twitter. But talking about how using a microphone at a conference is an accessibility issue. You don't just get up there and you're like, well, I'm pretty loud. People can hear me, right? Even though that's for me, you know, often mostly true. The point in fact is, it's not totally true. And microphones are there so that everybody can frickin hear you. Yeah, but people don't think about it. And especially if you're somebody who doesn't go to a ton of conferences, which a lot of times conference organizers haven't, or doesn't go to a lot of conferences, which in many cases, a lot of people who go to conferences haven't, you don't see it as a trend. You just see it as a one off. And so I found this article is really useful because it talks about how it can be a trend and it's a trend that people can do better on without, you know, making people feel bad, or having to call anybody a racist or whatever the thing is, yeah, what's cool, good conversation, Mark. Hello, EPS. I thought it was a good a good post like

Unknown: you.

Cortex: I've got a whole little flurry of like, not much to say other than, than this was great posts, homage

Unknown: to actually

Cortex: there's a very nice post from movable book lady about an architect name Ricardo both will fulfill

Cortex: that I just have not seen I don't know architecture at all. So it's not real

Jessamyn: surprise that I like brutalism. So this makes me happy, because I didn't see this, yeah,

Cortex: there's there's some very nice, it's a nice mix of stuff, some of his stuff is very, very, very clean and simple and blocky, you know, I left a comment saying how much it struck me as looking kind of like flat shaded boxes, stuff in like, contemporary video game design, which I'm sure like, it's putting the cart before the horse because, like, maybe people who design architecture and video games look at architecture,

Unknown: but uh,

Jessamyn: wouldn't be crazy if they didn't either. Yeah, like,

Cortex: some of it could be coincidence. But also, I think probably people doing this kind of work. People look at this, oh, that's what I want. But also some more ornate complicated stuff. And it's it's very cool stuff. So I enjoyed that.

Cortex: I really really liked this post from Griffis about a new song called Island my boyfriend by a I believe New Zealand musician named princess Chelsea the songs great the video is great and then he was talking about Twitter's like well I wanted I was thinking about making a big long post about this but there's like, you know what? YouTube just playlist stuff and it's right you go YouTube like this is great and you're like, Okay, well now I'm gonna look at 50 more these videos so it's kind of a perfect language

Jessamyn: see other stuff by the people so what do you like about this video I like

Cortex: the song is good. The videos nice. It's

Cortex: what I like about the video is just it's got a nice sort of like chill vibe and a weirdness to it that I super appreciate. It's just this

Cortex: solo musician. But she's dubbed herself in video wise dubbed composite herself in five different times, and five different outfits like point being the various musicians in the band sort of thing and it's nicely done. But one of the interesting things you can just go on this deep dive because she's been making music for years and years and years and there's this whole progression back to super, super low five video compositing dork re you know back in like 2009 2008

Cortex: and it's just it's like this world opening oh my god there's this rich rich vein here and like that's one of my favorite things is when I met a filter post is not just hey this is a rather thing but this is the tip of a ravenous iceberg so right

Jessamyn: and you can click around and spend all afternoon doing this yeah

Cortex: yeah so I thought that was really great. And princess Chelsea's radicals go check her out. I thought this

Unknown: post about

Cortex: basically blind gamers doing good in fighting games was interesting. It's a short discussion thread, but people get up a little bit some of why fighting games specifically. It's like, you know, especially like 2d fighting. It's there's a lot of timing elements in like player versus player one on one fighting duel games, which is part of why you can develop a good sense of what's going on the game just using sort of the stereo field and timing elements, even if you can't really see, which is what's all about. And that's a really cool, interesting thing. It's not really it's not exactly an accessibility thing directly. But it ties into some of what people think about when they're thinking about accessibility design finding. It's just happened to accidentally as much as anything, fulfill a couple things that a lot of video games do not so much make workable for vision impaired gamers. So I thought that was really cool.

Unknown: And

Cortex: my other drive by cool thing was this post by ragtag of thousands of watercolors commissioned by the USDA

Cortex: in the late 19th and early 20th century, and it's just want

Jessamyn: a Twitter that does just the apples. Yeah,

Cortex: of which there's, like 3000 or something

Jessamyn: that's just beautiful, beautiful watercolors posted. Oh, that's your first comment.

Unknown: Oh, yeah. Twitter about it. No, yeah, but yeah,

Cortex: just really, really, really gorgeous water colors. nice bit of basically, you know, government art

Unknown: that you can just have. Yeah,

Cortex: so there was my giant storm of drive by posts,

Jessamyn: I have probably too, um, one of which is by me, Ray. And basically, it's a shelter for dogs. But it's testing out a housing situation where the dogs can actually kind of hang out together, they don't all just, you know, have to sit in cages. And so dogs can develop their personality, they can socialize, they don't degrade over time. So this is me, Ray, who also adopted their cat millionaire from the shelter, and millionaires. Of course, just

Jessamyn: cute. And then funny me also comments later in the thread that the, you know, if you've heard of one dog, you know, shelter, you've probably heard of the old friends, senior dog sanctuary, which is, you know, very elderly dogs, and now they have a live camp, and you can go just watch old dogs hanging out together

Jessamyn: that place and of course, I wouldn't really recommend it this week, because it's really cop. And they're just flying around hot. I'm not so lively. But at any rate, it's kind of adorable. And I just liked that thread. And the other one I really liked was speaking of the weather this one by hot monster, where it's kind of a video that was like, Oh, interesting. Um, the link to the video is broken. Oh, it's from March. That's why. So at any rate, you can find the video. If you Google it, the video itself is like kind of funny. But like the thread because it's basically like you live with somebody else. But then when you live by yourself you get kind of quirkier and quirkier basically with your own kind of individual tix you know you no longer close the bathroom door when you, you talk to yourself and pretty Jax and you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And of course there are many, many fights who live alone. And so this thread which I somehow missed in March when it actually happened is kind of a funny thread of people sharing the wacky things they do when they live alone

Jessamyn: I'll see if I can actually track down the video because

Unknown: you see the

Jessamyn: video because other people should probably also watch that

Cortex: yeah hopefully they're just moving around on the side

Jessamyn: yeah yeah no it's I cuz I watched it before I interacted with the thread and it was kind of funny but like if the video is not as funny as the threat of talking to people yeah

Cortex: oh I have one more minute multiple somebody mentioned actually two and then we can move on to ask I guess we're going kind of long

Cortex: whatever there's a lot of men of upper middle middle middle metal or real letter malo malo filter next month nothing but wind posts

Unknown: I've had some coffee is situation here

Jessamyn: and some exercise so I'm a little wound down a little while

Jessamyn: afternoon here and it's morning their post by

Unknown: May seen is

Cortex: that seems possible anyway, this is a post from middle last month about a comic called john it's really to to short like four page comics I want to say by at a cartoonist named Gail, Gilot, Galligan,

Cortex: and it's about john R. Buckley, sort of but it's like john Arbuckle, if this is the john Arbuckle who's more of a contemporary anxiety, everything has a whole life versus, yeah, his life, he's, he's loses his partner, he's got a cat, he's got a dog. They're clearly the inspiration for Garfield and OT, but they're also actually cats and dogs. And it's just heard about john and his, like, his anxiety as a person and a creative person and his partnership with Liz and sort of working through some of that stuff. And the first cartoon is about him, like, meeting her friends Finally, and him being anxious about it, but then it ending nicely. And the second one, he goes to a Comic Con. And the second one in particular just got me and apparently a lot of other people just getting sort of teary about a Garfield fan comic, but it's really, really wonderful. Like, I it's good. Like June 21, this is about a week after the big announcement of the site. Things were looking better. I was deep in my fields, but I'd already read this thing like previously by chance, like weeks earlier and gotten sort of Terry about that came back to just a screen, cap it on Twitter and say, Oh, hey, this showed up another filter. And I'm getting good. Like, oh, it's just I don't know, there's something there's sad, like, in a bad way. No, no, it's sad in a good way. It's just No, no, no, no, no, no, it's, it's, it's totally safe. And it's just, it's just kind of wonderful. It's just like, it really hits this perfect human note of sorts of worry and creative stress. And worrying about like, sort of being in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing, or being you know, out of

Cortex: touch with what's going on in your life. And then having one of those like little confirming moments where it's like, oh,, you know, actually, there is something to what I'm doing here. And it's just, it's really great. Just go read it. It's super good. I loved it.

Cortex: I'll stop talking about medical to coast now. Do you want to talk about asked me to filter?

Jessamyn: Absolutely. So had out of hell? Dr. Bug Out of their ear? Yeah.

Cortex: God, this Oh, this thread? Oh, man. What a ride. Yes,

Jessamyn: she had a bug in her ear. She went to the doctor. The doctor was like, it's fine. Like, you know, these teardrops will kill the bug. They didn't. Everybody was like, seriously go back. This is

Jessamyn: and then found an EMT who did pull a moth out of her ear

Jessamyn: and there are some super gross posts you deleted so thanks for that. Yes, rather like people just being super gross about insects in the year in a way that is completely and that's the people we understand we understand the prompt but no just don't

Cortex: just trying to help Let's Let's aim for helping yes

Jessamyn: so that was that was a joy because it ended really good. See

Jessamyn: this one ended well

Jessamyn: so here's this crazy Sorry, I'm trying to use the word crazy a little bit less than I am not doing very well at it. This completely interesting post by God light basically they change the car battery the car model has this weird bug that they know about from reading on the internet it's like a

Unknown: Segway cars were very nice yeah, you have

Jessamyn: to enter the anti theft code in order to get the radio to work again. But it won't work unless you're somewhere without radio set perception

Jessamyn: which is you know makes no sense but it's also true so there in Chicago and need to find an underground parking lot where there isn't a lot of radio reception and so the thread is just people talking about what the deepest parking lots are

Jessamyn: and as of as of now they still haven't gotten gotten it all the work but I I remain hopeful

Unknown: yeah

Cortex: I I enjoyed like I don't this didn't get an answer but I liked the question

Cortex: another definitive answer but a question from funny me basically saying hey where did this this is what babies smell like thing come from in terms of like the fragrances used for baby products you know not not not

Unknown: not how do I get around this but like one smell yeah when

Cortex: did when and how did this become the thing and there's there's some stuff getting into some people point out that like well it really depends on where you are not everywhere uses the same stuff but like well I

Jessamyn: found that really interesting actually that like in different countries the smell associated with babies is not the same

Cortex: yeah yeah Australia Canada meal

Cortex: but yeah it's an interesting question because like it's one of those things where like I guess it's probably the answer is probably go find that 190 9% invisible episode that addresses this you know if such a thing but like it's one of those things were like yeah

Cortex: this happened somehow and why and how and when is actually a really interesting question to try and pin down so I thought that was cool yeah

Jessamyn: no I thought it was I thought it was very cool to um. I enjoyed this question by fun Lancey Rachel were basically like okay remember how everyone was doing like the Mari D cluttering thing? So like it's three years later. Our Marie condos, books still relevant. Have you done it? Did it work for you? Was it interesting? Keep it up? Did

Unknown: anybody say they weren't finding joy from it? So they got rid of the book.

Unknown: I mean the

Jessamyn: joke about the whole Kamara thing right is that Marie Kondo Hi kids, and completely changed completely changed, but her perspective changed a little bit like that kind of super judging, you know, anybody can just get rid of almost everything, blah, blah, blah, didn't, you know, didn't pan out once she had children, like, you know, she had to kind of adapt. But actually, there were a lot of people who talked about like, you know, some of this worked, especially people who had to move who, you know, got rid of a whole bunch of stuff, they talked about the sections that are like, sticky for them. And that was interesting. So it's just kind of a good thread about like life after camara and, and how it went and particularly relevant to me, because I'm dealing with, you know, household stuff this summer. And one of the things my sister and I did this weekend was we went through because my father like had lots of bookshelves of kind of books that were like, for looking at, you know, a lot of like, coffee table books about boats that are beautiful, and kind of what you get for the man who has everything, but like tapering, no joy to me, like the only joy they bring us that they're kind of blue. So they all kind of like that matchy matchy thing in my head, makes me happy. But realistically, they're not gonna be with me in the next 10 years. And so maybe they shouldn't be with me for the next 10 minutes, right. But I can't make those decisions myself. And so my sister and I spent 20 minutes and just gutted a bookshelf of not our books in order to like, you know, we pick 10 or 20 that we like, and we'd like to kind of keep around books to belong to my grandparents. I found, like my grandparents, weird, slightly

Jessamyn: book plate that they use to us, which I did not even know was the thing I'll find out. My numbers were telling me about this, you probably thought on Twitter. Yeah, probably. And we may have jammed talking about it a little bit. Cuz my grandparents, I love my grandparents. But my grandmother was kind of beachy. Like, she was just a little like, mean, and judging, whatever. And so their book played is basically like our first wishes that you may really enjoy this book. And our next wish is that you may remember, you borrowed it

Unknown: just,

Jessamyn: it was really fun to go through. And we probably, you know, we've got piles of books, and there's like a local library that has a book sale, and they'll take all of it. So we're just gonna get rid basically. And, you know, I find, I do feel just a little, a little lighter about the whole thing. And so that was nice. And I appreciated this post.

Jessamyn: And then one other one I liked just because it was one of those like, hey, there's some meta filter experts, which I always enjoy is this question from shapes upon the dusk. Who does repair works for electronics, which means a bunch of like, soldering and in the house. And, you know, there's like, they've got a partner and a cat. And, you know, what's, what's the thing and then pinned back? who actually knows how this works? shows up with a slightly friendly way of being like, hey, if you guys don't know what you're talking about, maybe don't talk about it. And just like blaze some science on what is going on with your solder and a whole bunch of other stuff. Yeah, dead wax and yester and a bunch of other people show up range to offer more information. So it just turned out to be a really smart thread, you know, a little bit of like, well, maybe you shouldn't do that in the house. Kind of, but like, Yeah, whatever.

Cortex: You do, what you can do. And so I just thought it was a good thread of sort of smart people given advice. Nice, ya know, that. So, I mean, I've, I've been using a laser cutter in my basement for about six months now. Yeah,

Jessamyn: those things are great. You put them on projects, right?

Unknown: I have not if it was

Unknown: amazing.

Cortex: I will get there. No, I'm super excited about that. And I've actually sold a bunch on Etsy when I finally put up a se but it was like, right mixed in with the time of the announcement and whatnot. So it's been it's been very sort of like this is a backburner side project. I'll put more attention on it when I have. Yeah, more attention available. So now I'll post on project sometime in the next month or two, when I get stuff sorted out. But it's been a lot of fun. But in any case, the laser cutter itself, it's a big machine in the basement, and it uses a laser to vaporize things and cutting wood that mostly means would smoke, which is not necessarily too bad, although, if you're cutting plywood, there's probably some laminates in there too. So you want to source apply with it doesn't have toxic laminates. But in any case, you know, it creates a whole bunch of fumes. And when you buy the thing, it comes with a built in powerful fan and some ducting so you can, you know, root out of house like, like a dryer vent, essentially. And I've got that setup and it's it's sealed pretty well. So my basement smells a little bit like I've been burning things, but doesn't have a giant cloud of toxic fumes in it, which is good. But like,

Cortex: there's the question of How good does the venting need to be, you know, what's safe? And the problem with this is that people who are going to be asking this question the most are people who own a laser cutter. So you go to the glow forage amines, a glow forage, you go to the glow forage forum, and you have to people saying, Okay, well, let's talk about venting and whatnot. And so the people who are asking it, and the people are answering it all on the same boat, that they've all spent several thousand dollars on this machine. So they are all really motivated and say, Well, I'm pretty sure it'll be okay.

Unknown: On the one hand,

Jessamyn: make a bad choice. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know,

Cortex: on the one hand, people aren't talking very seriously about safety. And like, you know, no one says, Well,

Cortex: you don't really need to vent it. Everybody's very clear that no, you absolutely need to make sure you've got venting working. But there's also that question like, yeah, are people really going to commit fully to safety when they're already several thousand dollars? Nicole

Jessamyn: is on a continuum, right? Yeah, about that. With internet privacy. I'm like, online shopping is safer than driving to staples in a snowstorm, but

Jessamyn: less scary. I mean, you know what, I mean, people having to assess risk, people are terrible at it. Exactly. Because you can't, if you can't get to a point where there's no risk, you have to balance a bunch of. Like money and whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: And people ask me about the glow, fortunately. Oh, yeah. I'm wondering about it. But like, you know, living in an apartment, and like, I want to say, Oh, this machine is amazing. It's really is great. But at the same time, like if you're living in an apartment, I don't know if you can get away with a clipboard. It's noisy, it's smelly. You've got abducted to somewhere like, it kind of feels like freestanding house or a workshop somewhere is so much better have a plan. You know, it's it's weird, owning something that I'd like a doozy about. But also wanna be like, I don't know if I can actually recommend

Unknown: like, right? Yeah, true. Like, well, your cats are cool. You're like, don't. Yeah, you know,

Cortex: unless you have to understand they're expensive. And they stink. And it's a bunch of work. Which is basically which exactly, but yeah, yeah,

Jessamyn: you've got to touch another mammals for the rest of their lives. Yeah.

Cortex: Another ask. I liked actually. Just because an interesting sort of recurring thing. It's,

Unknown: it's

Unknown: very interesting. Yeah.

Cortex: posted a question about basically, what should I do with skin tones emoji? I'm white. And I either do use a white skin tone for emoji or leave a default news, yellow. And both of those seem potentially problematic. How do I navigate this? Like, you know, do I Wait, are

Jessamyn: you saying like, Hey, I'm a white a white person. Yeah, use the white emoji.

Cortex: Don't Are you saying hey, I don't have to think about race because I'm colorblind and race doesn't matter. So I'm going to use the yellow emoji, you know, and like, yeah, there's, there's a real conflict in what you're trying to accomplish what you're signaling and I've seen this come up in a couple people mentioned, this is like, Yo, this came up in the slack that I'm a part of, right. So it's, it's a really interesting, complicated issue. And it's nice to see people basically just talking about and sort of grappling through something. So

Unknown: that was a good one.

Jessamyn: I liked it. And the one of course, that was close to my heart is this anonymous post from very early in June, which is basically somebody who works in a public library in a segregated county in the US, I'm assuming it's the South but it just occurs to me, they don't say that so and they have a poll worker who is racist, like

Unknown: , and but

Jessamyn: it's a public library, and how do you deal with that, like some of its kind of micro aggressive, but something frickin aggressive, aggressive and making choices that, um, you know,

Unknown: slightly,

Jessamyn: don't support the libraries that serve people of color while you know, like, not giving them the better books or whatever, and basically, an attitude of contempt but like, you know, I understand first amendment, but also we're a public thing and they're not going to get fired. So, how do I navigate this thing? And so, you know, there's a lot of good advice in the threat. I gave some advice that I thought was useful, but it's a super difficult situation, right? My sister needs to deal with this sometimes at the State Police dealing with people who are, you know, racist or homophobic or trans phobic especially when they're really trying to kind of do restrooms right and it's her job to be like you know, I kind of don't care what you think but this is the policy and

Jessamyn: you know yeah, I mean did just do it and this person's trying to figure out how to how to do that with

Unknown: after after job so tricky. Tricky library,

Jessamyn: those maybe we're all of mine.

Cortex: Okay, maybe I'll do a quick music minute here because people been posting music good, it's good. Now like it

Cortex: let's see what we got. There is a nice little cover song by corduroy who I don't know if we've mentioned in the last few episodes, but always make a nice stuff. That's a cover of a song called forget about by Sibel Bayer. And it's just some pretty corduroy stuff,

Cortex: there is a really good like, comes with a content warning because it's sort of about and not committing, but it's a really rad song to just like, sounds great. It's

Cortex: got a nice big, heavy rock thing going on from Nika spark called a light

Unknown: there is

Cortex: this is kind of great. This is from a brand new user named 20 year lurk, who stand up in the last couple weeks, I think on the tail of the financial news like, oh man, you know, I've been reading forever, maybe I should participate. So they posted a lo fi recording of sort of Saturday, not satirizing exactly but reworking Joan Baez song

Cortex: and has a note in there saying, I'm not certain such weird Hillary is entirely appropriate from if I music so mods delete and shy to the it is necessary. And I saw that I was like, are you and left a note saying no. be weird. This is what it's for.

Unknown: There is

Cortex: there's several. There's a couple weird things in here. I really like this. I just took me by surprise. Ooh, basically set musical accompaniment to a coal bear skit or a little cool bear bit where he just Zeppelin is this weird vocal thing called bear was doing while making fun of people.

Unknown: I gonna have to see that for myself. Yeah,

Cortex: it's really hard to convey. You just listen to it. It's 38 seconds long. And it's wonderful.

Cortex: And then there is the sort of Memorial post by

Unknown: but GOP

Unknown: SP UT GOP

Unknown: have a song that he worked on

Cortex: he day they worked on years ago with a friend who has since passed away Spec Ops posted some other stuff he's made on music before but this is for like a callback

Cortex: and it's really nice that's really musical memorialization. So that and there's a bunch of other good stuff there was a great talk thread someone posted saying hey there's a bunch of good music let's talk about music playlist make a mixtape I'll try and find it here. But But in any case, yes. Music is good we're gonna try and put some more attention on that I want to do another like album thing sometime we've done some collaborations before it'd be nice to do that again yes

Jessamyn: well and speaking of music but not music that metal filter dot com I have to give a shout out to spike lee major. Tom and Harry Connick Jr. Man Yes.

Jessamyn: Because this is just like fun dumb stuff. Basically, there was a meta filter thread about why basically movie that would more or less scan the same but arguably make for more interesting replacements for the titular film referenced in the chorus of deep blue something's 1995 it Breakfast at Tiffany's, which if you you know, don't know, it's like, and I said, What about Breakfast at Tiffany's? And she said something blah, blah, blah. And so Spike Lee dot dot dot basically said, I'm going to Chicago with co workers for a trade show. Last year, we ended up at a coke karaoke bar. None of us did it. This year, I'm slaying Breakfast at Tiffany's. And I'm going to do it with Bourne Identity police academy, Bridget Jones diary, the Bourne Supremacy and The Princess Diaries. So this is basically when he said he was going to do it in April. And then he did it in June. And it's just awesome. I was very happy for him. I met him like at an Austin meetup a million years ago. And he's a really nice guy and that was a happy story. Yep, that was great. Hey, speaking of Can I get more than 999 contacts? Yeah, Jam

Unknown: Jam probably follow up with us we'll see a little put a budget

Cortex: didn't we? Didn't we raise that already for you? Or did you get to that

Jessamyn: you change the error message which had a typo in it

Cortex: okay well that's that's basically helping yeah

Unknown: we can probably do that

Unknown: that's what I figured you know I

Jessamyn: just you know I meet people and then I can't add them unless I kick someone on yeah that's tricky Thank you maybe you should do is kick the people off who are dead but then that feels bad

Unknown: yeah so the point you can probably get that number

Jessamyn: I keep track of all the librarians so

Unknown: it's important that it's it's it's it's a key function

Cortex: a couple other meta talks worth mentioning there was a nice sort of roundup catch all thread for the families belong together rallies happening everywhere

Jessamyn: that weekend I'm gonna look forward to reading this actually yeah

Unknown: no it it's pretty nice.

Cortex: And there was also a Pokemon GO friend codes thread because they added friend codes to Pokemon GO

Jessamyn: code do for you and I don't know

Unknown: I haven't touched him forever

Cortex: but that's there so if you're playing Pokemon Go hey

Cortex: yeah you know I was really confused actually when that went up because like I thought they already had those in a real so thinking of Animal Crossing

Unknown: so that makes

Unknown: me what I what I what I read about it.

Cortex: Stone Weaver suggested a couple weeks ago that we do a hopeful summer sort of general theme posting thing over the summer. Not necessarily like a posting theme month per se, but just like, Hey, you know what, let's, let's talk about good stuff. Let's make posts about good stuff. And that's a nice idea. It's also sort of hopeful winter, you know, I mentioned like, hey, hemispheres,

Cortex: but basically, hey, let's, let's, let's, let's post nice stuff. And people have been

Jessamyn: meta talk. Tell post. What later on Saturday, European me fights could have it at the proper time for them. Yeah, it's a nice experiment. I thought. Yeah.

Cortex: So. And we may keep tweaking that to see what works out. Best

Cortex: thing I've said about that, you know, and clearly the best way to get this message out this dimension in passing 90 minutes into a podcast, but it's also just, it's also okay just to have a chatty metatarsal. Yeah.

Cortex: So like, you know, if you want to, if you want to say, Hey, here's a fun thing to chat about. Just do it, that's fine. Like, I'm getting on board with that. I, I genuinely enjoy people just thinking, you know what, I'd like to be having a fun time here on this community, with people like, so, you know, go for it. It doesn't have to be officially sanctioned.

Cortex: And also, we've been chattering about merge this thread is sort of run its main course. But if you're coming in late with, oh, wait, no, I've got this idea. Or this thing I want, you know, yeah, go toss it in the thread. We're just sort of collecting a whole bunch of ideas there. And I'm going to try and get some stuff.

Cortex: First. Couple things out sometime soon. Here. I think I'd sort of promised to do something by the end of the month. But it was a lower case p promise, I'm working on it.

Cortex: But we'll, we'll do some stuff soon. And, and there's some cool possibilities for where we can go with that in the long run. So

Unknown: yeah, bunch of bunch of stuff and

Unknown: see what you do with that. Yeah,

Cortex: wanted to mention, I didn't get the links together. But

Cortex: fanfare continues to be something we need to do more work on. But in the meantime,

Unknown: I'm just gonna look it up. We've got World

Unknown: Cup stuff going on venture World Cup,

Cortex: and there is boy, hundreds of comments. I'll just, I'll just post several threads here

Cortex: of things that have accumulated

Unknown: as it's been going along

Unknown: to do all right.

Cortex: Copying and pasting and talking the same time just never quite works out. So I'm just gonna

Cortex: fill space. But any way I'll throw some links into the post. But there's the last World Cup people been enjoying it a bunch and it's things happening. Hopefully, it's not actually over it. I don't think it is. I think it's like in like late bits. Now, I want to say, but, uh,

Cortex: but yes. Anyway, that's been fun. It's been a very busy thing on fanfare it's been nice. People seem to be enjoying a great deal. Also popular favorites. So this is a one of the little changes that we've made that I feel really good about that we've been sort of thinking about for a while we've pulled the political mega threads out of popular favorites

Unknown: so

Unknown: yeah, it's it's sad. And that's a great idea.

Cortex: It's It's such a nice little thing you know, I mean, there's still going to be serious stuff there's still going to be occasionally politically related stuff you know, showing up in the comments but it's so nice to go over because people are saying lots of smart incisive appetite things in the political threads. But as a result, so many people reading them, it just takes over the page is like, Hey, what are the 20 best angry comments about the US political scene, you know, that's not really what popular favorites is supposed to be. So we've gotten that fixed for evil went in and did some tweaking under the hood to filter it accordingly. And it's nice there's a bunch of stuff that's like not the most depressing stuff about the American political scene on the popular favorites page. And it's really great. And I'm glad we made that change. So that's, that's the thing that I'm super happy about. Yeah,

Unknown: I don't

Unknown: know there's so much there's so much stuff I'm

Cortex: I just kind of want to reiterate how sort of happy and relieved and hardened and grateful I am about the state of the medical community and how supportive people have been because it's just it's it's insane to think that this is

Cortex: my job is to be part of my life and I'm I'm so much happier that we're where we are now than where we were a month ago looking down the barrel of ugly

Jessamyn: life different way that's positive and that's cool Yeah, no way that you didn't have a lot of control Yeah, yeah.

Cortex: So to know that like there is this community making this work is just humongous so

Cortex: so thanks everybody. You are rad and I don't know what the site would do without all Yeah, but then again without all yeah, it wouldn't be the site so I guess that's just the way things are supposed to work. Yeah,

Unknown: I think that might be a podcast

Unknown: great

Unknown: alright well

Jessamyn: I'm on it I want to say goodbye to G man I love you.

Unknown: Oh yeah.

Unknown: Yeah you should link that in there too. I like that in there too. All right. Um yeah

Unknown: alright well alright

Jessamyn: you stay cool. cortex yes Josh

Cortex: cortex melodic Yep. There we go. And it's got a snap to it.

Unknown: Alright. I will talk to you next month. That sounds lovely

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